Apparently 5-Head Manning DID use HGH

[LkrFan]

1002646902406631425

I hope this keeps his ass out of the hall, Roger Clemens style. Fuck him.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol How sad is it that even with stacked teams, ref help, and HGH, Peyton still set the record for most one-and-dones in the playoffs? HI-FI (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=34236) and DAF86 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102) need to explain this shit, tbh.

[LkrFan]

This pisses me off because they suspended Brady and Zeke with no real proof of wrongdoing. Fuck Goodell tbh.

[DAF86]

:lol How sad is it that even with stacked teams, ref help, and HGH, Peyton still set the record for most one-and-dones in the playoffs? HI-FI (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=34236) and DAF86 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102) need to explain this shit, tbh.

Everybody does it son, God bless.

P/S: how am I one of the first Manning apologists? I'm not even a Manning fan and I barely post here. :lol

[LkrFan]

:lol How sad is it that even with stacked teams, ref help, and HGH, Peyton still set the record for most one-and-dones in the playoffs? HI-FI (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=34236) and DAF86 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102) need to explain this shit, tbh.

:lol

He set all kind of records too det year. Ole cheating ass bastard. :lol

[LkrFan]

1002659266069778432

:lol

[monosylab1k]

This isn’t even a blip on ESPN’s radar :lmao per usual

[Pelicans78]

This pisses me off because they suspended Brady and Zeke with no real proof of wrongdoing. Fuck Goodell tbh.

Not only that, they basically changed the rules for him twice to enhance passing after whining following playoff losses.

[monosylab1k]

Everybody does it son, God bless.

P/S: how am I one of the first Manning apologists? I'm not even a Manning fan and I barely post here. :lol

:lmao all you do in this forum is choke on Peyton’s dick.

[Clipper Nation]

Everybody does it son, God bless.

P/S: how am I one of the first Manning apologists? I'm not even a Manning fan and I barely post here. :lol

Pre-HGH revelation: "Peyton is the GOAT."

Post-HGH revelation: "I'm not even a Manning fan and I barely post here."

[DAF86]

:lmao all you do in this forum is choke on Peyton’s dick.

I do more Pats hating, tbh.


Pre-HGH revelation: "Peyton is the GOAT."

Post-HGH revelation: "I'm not even a Manning fan and I barely post here."

Never was a Manning fan, tbh. I just argue in his favour because out of all the QB's I've seen, he is the best. Same thing with Lebron, I'm not a Lebron fan but I argue on behalf of his greatness.

And an even more clear example is your boy CP3. Not only I'm not a fan of his, I dislike him pretty much, but I can't deny that he's one of the best PG's ever.

What do all of them have in common? imho, they get some unfair criticism.

[Clipper Nation]

I do more Pats hating, tbh.



Never was a Manning fan, tbh. I just argue in his favour because out of all the QB's I've seen, he is the best. Same thing with Lebron, I'm not a Lebron fan but I argue on behalf of his greatness.

And an even more clear example is your boy CP3. Not only I'm not a fan of his, I dislike him pretty much, but I can't deny that he's one of the best PG's ever.

What do all of them have in common? imho, they get some unfair criticism.
:lmao Let's review:

Stacked teams
Ref help
The league changing the rules to inflate his stats
HGH

And all Fivehead has to show for it is two role-player rings that the defense carried him to and the NFL record for most one-and-dones in the playoffs. How is he the greatest?

[HI-FI]

I do more Pats hating, tbh.



Never was a Manning fan, tbh. I just argue in his favour because out of all the QB's I've seen, he is the best. Same thing with Lebron, I'm not a Lebron fan but I argue on behalf of his greatness.

And an even more clear example is your boy CP3. Not only I'm not a fan of his, I dislike him pretty much, but I can't deny that he's one of the best PG's ever.

What do all of them have in common? imho, they get some unfair criticism.
Nothing wrong with respecting greatness. Brady is the best system QB I’ve ever seen and I’m not ashamed to admit that.

I know Manning’s neck and nerves were all fucked up so this story, if true, doesn’t shock me.

I still have Manning as the 2nd best qb, Montana will always be no. 1 for me.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Comparing Peyton to Montana is like comparing DeRozan to LeBron.

[Avante]

:lol Comparing Peyton to Montana is like comparing DeRozan to LeBron.

I am a HUGE/MASSIVE Montana fan. His rookie card one of my prized possessions, cost me 100 bucks.

BUT.....

Manning had 13 4000 yard seasons, and a 5000 yard season, Montana never had a 4000 yard season.

Manning had 16 seasons where he had 25 or more TD passes, Montana had 6.

Manning had 13 seasons where his QB rating was 90 or better, Montana had another 6.

Manning had 12 seasons where his comp % was 65 or better, Montana had 3.

Manning is number one in yards with....71, 940, Montana at 17th with 40,551

TD Passes Manning once again at number one with....539, Montana at number 16 with 273.


You cannot talk the GREAT/LEGENDARY QB's without Peyton Manning early in the discussion and anyone thinking his success was due to PED's is a moron.

If we are going to play this.....different eras..... thing then here comes Slingin' Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, John Unitas, Fran Tarkenton in the mix, hell, Tarkenton and Unitas had more TD passes than Montana with Tarkenton having more yards.

Manning was voted to how many pro bowls, he was the NFL MVP how many times?

I get he was never a Derek Anderson or a Tom Savage or a Joe Flacco, but............:blah


This from a Mount Rushmore of QB's article.

Peyton Manning

Forget recency bias for a second. Sure, Peyton Manning’s last NFL season was horrendous, and sure, he only won his final Super Bowl because of his defense. But overall, he had one of the greatest careers in football history.

Manning is the all-time leader in passing yards, touchdowns and fourth-quarter comebacks. He is also fifth in pass completion percentage and sixth in passer rating. He made the Super Bowl four times, winning twice.

Another thing that makes Manning a legend is his consistency and durability. He played all 16 games in all but two seasons of his career. He topped 4,000 passing yards in 14 of his 18 seasons. And, up until his final season, he was dominant throughout his career.

Whether it be as a member of the Colts or Broncos, Manning was constantly one of the best quarterbacks in the league.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dan Marino never won anything, yet he is STILL considerated a true great and far superior to most those who did win it all. So it's not all about SB wins.

[Avante]

Right there with Derek Anderson and Tom Savage when it comes to accomplishments.





Grand totals

101

31

.765

85

48

.639

186

79

.702

14

13

.519

200

92

.685



Career accomplishments[edit (http://www.spurstalk.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_career_achievements_by_Pey ton_Manning&action=edit&section=10)]

Honors and awards[edit (http://www.spurstalk.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_career_achievements_by_Pey ton_Manning&action=edit&section=11)]

High school awards[edit (http://www.spurstalk.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_career_achievements_by_Pey ton_Manning&action=edit&section=12)]



1992, 1993 Louisiana Class 2A MVP[8] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-manningbook-8)
1993 Gatorade Circle of Champions Award[8] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-manningbook-8)
1993 Atlanta TD Club's Bobby Dodd (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Bobby_Dodd) Award[8] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-manningbook-8)
1993 New Orleans Quarterback Club Player of the Year[8] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-manningbook-8)
1993 Columbus, Ohio Touchdown Club Offensive Player of the Year[8] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-manningbook-8)
1993 Gatorade High School Player of the Year (National)[9] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-gatorade-9)

College awards[edit (http://www.spurstalk.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_career_achievements_by_Pey ton_Manning&action=edit&section=13)]






1994 SEC Freshman of the Year (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Southeastern_Conference_football_individual_awards #Freshman_of_the_Year)[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-pm18-10)
1995 First-team All-SEC[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-pm18-10)
1995 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (vs. Arkansas)[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-pm18-10)
1995 NCAA Offensive Player of the Week (vs. Arkansas)[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-pm18-10)
1996 Second-Team All-SEC[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-pm18-10)
1996 Third-Team All-American (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/All-American)[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-pm18-10)
1996 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (vs. South Carolina)[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-pm18-10)
1996 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (vs. Georgia)[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-pm18-10)
1997 Davey O'Brien Award (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Davey_O%27Brien_Award)[11] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-NCAA-11)
1997 Johnny Unitas Award (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Johnny_Unitas_Award)[11] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-NCAA-11)
1997 NCAA QB of the Year (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Touchdown_Club_of_Columbus#Quarterback_of_the_Year )[12] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-12)





1997 Maxwell Award (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Maxwell_Award)[11] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-NCAA-11)
1997 James E. Sullivan Award (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/James_E._Sullivan_Award)[11] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-NCAA-11)
1997 Today's Top VIII Award (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Today%27s_Top_10_Award)[11] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-NCAA-11)
1997 (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/1997_SEC_Championship_Game) SEC Championship (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/SEC_Championship_Game) MVP[13] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-secchampionship-13)
1997 Citrus Bowl (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Citrus_Bowl) MVP
1997 Consensus All-American (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/1997_College_Football_All-America_Team)[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-pm18-10)
1997 SEC Player of the Year (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Southeastern_Conference_football_individual_awards #Player_of_the_Year)[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-pm18-10)
1997 First-team All-SEC[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-pm18-10)
1997 SEC Player of the Week (vs. Southern Miss)[10] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-pm18-10)
1998 ESPY Awards (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/ESPY_Awards) – Best College Football Player (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Best_College_Football_Player_ESPY_Award)[14] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-espy-14)





NFL awards[edit (http://www.spurstalk.com/w/index.php?title=List_of_career_achievements_by_Pey ton_Manning&action=edit&section=14)]



5× NFL MVP (2003 (shared with Steve McNair (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Steve_McNair)), 2004, 2008, 2009, 2013)[15] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-5th_MVP-15)
2× NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2004, 2013)[15] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-5th_MVP-15)
Best NFL Player ESPY Award(2004,[14] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-espy-14) 2005[16] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-espy2005-16))
14× Pro Bowl (1999–2000, 2002–2010, 2012–2014)[17] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-coltsbio-17)
7× First-team All-Pro (2003–2005, 2008, 2009, 2012, 2013)[18] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-2003allpro-18)[19] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-2004allpro-19)[20] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-2005allpro-20)
3× Second-team All-Pro (1999, 2000, 2006)[21] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-1999allpro-21)[22] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-2000allpro-22)[23] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-2006allpro-23)
3× Bert Bell Award (2003, 2004, 2013)[24] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-About-24)
8× AFC Offensive Player of the Year Awards (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Kansas_City_Committee_of_101_awards#Offensive_Play er_of_the_Year_Awards) (1999, 2003–2005, 2008, 2009, 2012, 2013)
1998 NFL All-Rookie First Team[17] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-coltsbio-17)
2004 FedEx Express Player of the Year[25] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-Fedex2k4-25)
Best Record-Breaking Performance ESPY Award(2005,[16] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-espy2005-16) 2014)[26] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-espy2014-26)
2005 Walter Payton Man of the Year Award[24] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-About-24)
2005 Byron "Whizzer" White Humanitarian Award[17] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-coltsbio-17)
2005 Pro Bowl MVP[27] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-CBS-27)
2007 Super Bowl MVP[28] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-sbxli-28)
2007 Best Championship Performance ESPY Award[29] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-espy2007-29)
2012 NFL Comeback Player of the Year (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/NFL_Comeback_Player_of_the_Year)

[Clipper Nation]

:lol at comparing Montana's stats from an era where defense was still allowed to Peyton's inflated stats from an era of rule changes.

[Avante]

:lol at comparing Montana's stats from an era where defense was still allowed to Peyton's inflated stats from an era of rule changes.

Well let's see....


In 1984 Dan Marino had over 5000 yards and 48TD passes.

In his career..420 TD passes/Montana 279.
Yards for career...61, 361/Montana 40, 551

Dude, ya really don't get any of this do ya slick?

Dude, Montana had Bill Walsh, Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Dwight Clarke and one of the great receiving backs in Roger Craig.

[Clipper Nation]

Marino's stats are also more impressive than Peyton's, given the context.

[Avante]

Marino's stats are also more impressive than Peyton's, given the context.

What happens to....from an era....well?

[Clipper Nation]

What happens to....from an era....well?

Marino did THAT on trash teams when defense was still allowed. Peyton padded stats on stacked teams with the league changing rules to make it easier for him, plus HGH.

[Avante]

Marino did THAT on trash teams when defense was still allowed. Peyton padded stats on stacked teams with the league changing rules to make it easier for him, plus HGH.

Dude, don't....it was Montanas era....and forget all about the numbers Marino was putting up in that era, ok guy?

HGH.....hahahahahaha~~~ My God little fella, do you honestly believe the son of Archie Manning, the brother of Eli Manning, who was a total; STUD at every level of football got that way because of...............hahahahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~:blah

Dude, what really is wrong with you, ya talk up Derek Anderson, Tom Savage, Joe Flacco while slamming Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson and Watson. ya really don't see something weird/strange there, well everyone else does.

Figure this stuff out rookie,ok?

Rookie....all the HGH in the world won't make anyone a great QB, ok rook?

[Spurtacular]

I guess Manning simply wasn't motivated to stay in shape on his own as he got older.

:lol tholdren

[Clipper Nation]

Dude, don't....it was Montanas era....and forget all about the numbers Marino was putting up in that era, ok guy?

HGH.....hahahahahaha~~~ My God little fella, do you honestly believe the son of Archie Manning, the brother of Eli Manning, who was a total; STUD at every level of football got that way because of...............hahahahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~:blah

Dude, what really is wrong with you, ya talk up Derek Anderson, Tom Savage, Joe Flacco while slamming Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson and Watson. ya really don't see something weird/strange there, well everyone else does.

Figure this stuff out rookie,ok?

Rookie....all the HGH in the world won't make anyone a great QB, ok rook?
Why was he using HGH if he wasn't getting an advantage from it?

[Avante]

Why was he using HGH if he wasn't getting an advantage from it?


Do you ever answer a question guy? Don't ignore what was asked, ok ? Dude, what's with talking up guys like Derek Anderson, Tom Savage, Joe Flacco (who they want to dump)...well? Don't ignore what people ask you, it's fuckig rude, ok?

Dude, are you really so damn dense ya actually think Manning did what he did because of PED'S, dude...hahahahaha~~~~~~~~

Peyton Manning was a great QB from day one, you really don't get this?

14 pro bowls/7 All Pro/MVP..........................................FIVE

Oh hell yes, HGH........HAHAHAHAHA:blah

I have to just shake my head at the stupidity I see here some times, it's totally amazing.

[Avante]

Manning struggled the last few years of his career, we all saw it. Looking for anything to help out at that time, ok? Don't act retarded over this, it makes ya look ......ROOKIE~~~~~~~~

Go anywhere out there and ask this question.

In your opinion who belongs on the Mount Rushmore for QB's?

I GURANTEE....Brady, Montana, Peyton.....then the debate starts.

[LkrFan]

Watching Avante drop knowledge on unsuspecting Clipper Nation is glorious! :lmao

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e9adf53122215f27381c51a5f4777ee3/tenor.gif?itemid=9506233

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Manning struggled the last few years of his career, we all saw it. Looking for anything to help out at that time, ok? Don't act retarded over this, it makes ya look ......ROOKIE~~~~~~~~

Go anywhere out there and ask this question.

In your opinion who belongs on the Mount Rushmore for QB's?

I GURANTEE....Brady, Montana, Peyton.....then the debate starts.
Just the last year honestly.

You can't say last "few" because that would imply 3 or more, and 2013 (his third to last season) was arguably the best single season for a QB all-time. And he did it with offensive cancer John Fox as his coach, no less.

[Will Hunting]

Nothing wrong with respecting greatness. Brady is the best system QB I’ve ever seen and I’m not ashamed to admit that.

I know Manning’s neck and nerves were all fucked up so this story, if true, doesn’t shock me.

I still have Manning as the 2nd best qb, Montana will always be no. 1 for me.
:lol as if Montana wasn’t a “system QB”

[Clipper Nation]

Peyton sure looked like a "system QB" for both his titles. Those were some Trent Dilfer, Struggle Wilson type rings.

[AaronY]

Montana's career was destroyed in a season when he was MVP and in the process of leading his team to a possible third title. Was out two years and when he came back his elbow always swelled up like a grapefruit during games so you could make the case he had his career cut short by injuries so he

[Will Hunting]

Peyton sure looked like a "system QB" for both his titles. Those were some Trent Dilfer, Struggle Wilson type rings.
:lol this too, and also the 2014 & 2016 Patriots had a much shittier defense than either one of Peyton’s title teams.

[Kyle Orton]

Peyton sure looked like a "system QB" for both his titles. Those were some Trent Dilfer, Struggle Wilson type rings.

It’s not every day a qb beats the top 3 defenses in the league en route to a title imo

[Avante]

Watching Avante (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33483) drop knowledge on unsuspecting Clipper Nation (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=28500) is glorious! :lmao

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e9adf53122215f27381c51a5f4777ee3/tenor.gif?itemid=9506233

As we all can see the guy knows...0....about QB's. How does anyone brag on Tom Savage and Derek Anderson while slamming Russell Wilson and Peyton Manning? Retarded or just stupid?

Then when ya ask the rookie why he sees things that weird ass way he just ignores the question. Fucking weirdo.

[Avante]

Montana's career was destroyed in a season when he was MVP and in the process of leading his team to a possible third title. Was out two years and when he came back his elbow always swelled up like a grapefruit during games so you could make the case he had his career cut short by injuries so he

Montana was pushing 36 when that happened, his career was already great. He didn't have many years left anyway.

[AaronY]

Montana was pushing 36 when that happened, his career was already great. He didn't have many years left anyway.
He was literally MVP the year he was injured and he was 33 iirc not 36

[Avante]

He was literally MVP the year he was injured and he was 33 iirc not 36


Montana was born in 1956, he missed 91 and 92 more or less, do the math.

[Avante]

Ya can bullshit a season or a few, but ya can't do what Peyton Manning did unless you have some legit/real/genuine talent. All those great seasons, the numbers, the wins, the accomplishments came about because here is a great QB.

Hell no he's no Derek Anderson or Tom Savage, but who is?

[AaronY]

Montana was born in 1956, he missed 91 and 92 more or less, do the math.
So he was 34 and pushing 36 years later. Either way he was the best player in the game and leading in the NFC champ game at the time. Could have been the only team to threepeat plus would have been favorites going into 91.

[AaronY]

Guys was literally demolished to the point where he had like what would be 2-3 season ending injuries (back, elbow, etc) in the playoffs of a season where he was coming off back to back MVPs and you're acting like his career wasn't altered in any way.

[Avante]

Guys was literally demolished to the point where he had like what would be 2-3 season ending injuries (back, elbow, etc) in the playoffs of a season where he was coming off back to back MVPs and you're acting like his career wasn't altered in any way.

Show me where I said anything about his career other than he had a great career? Gale Sayers is in the Hall of Fame, he only played six seasons. Montana could have retired after the 90 season and would be a Hall of Famer. He didn't need KC at all.

When it comes to knowing how to move the chains, work a defense and put the ball where a receiver needs it to not break stride, nobody did that better than Montana. The cat had......finesse.

[Bill_Brasky]

Lmao. Nobody gives a shit about PEDs in football.

[monosylab1k]

:lol let Brady get busted for PED’s and see if nobody gives a shit.

[Bill_Brasky]

The only reason anyone would care for half a second would be because it's the Patriots. That's the price of success i suppose. Not like it would bar him from the HOF like in baseball.

[HarlemHeat37]

Of course Peyton was cheating, we all knew it at the time:lol he magically recovered from NECK operations and remained an elite QB..

Brady is clearly doing some "cheating" type shit, as well..so does LeBron, so did Jordan, etc..this is pro sports, it's just a matter of how well the players and his league hides it + level of targeting(like what happened in baseball, where it became a political issue)..

The outrage is mainly from your average joe, failed athlete who believes he could have made the league if he had the same resources:lol

[Avante]

Anyone thinking PED's changed anything pertaning to the big NFL picture, it didn't.

It's never been, this team has a huge % of PED users while that team doesn't. It all evens out. What's for sure is every team has PED users.

[AlexJones]

Of course Peyton was cheating, we all knew it at the time:lol he magically recovered from NECK operations and remained an elite QB..

Brady is clearly doing some "cheating" type shit, as well..so does LeBron, so did Jordan, etc..this is pro sports, it's just a matter of how well the players and his league hides it + level of targeting(like what happened in baseball, where it became a political issue)..

The outrage is mainly from your average joe, failed athlete who believes he could have made the league if he had the same resources:lol

Oakland Raiders win total is 8.5 bro

[Fabbs]

but but but....HGH mailed to my house was for my wife.

:lol elementary school level bullshit denial.

[Chucho]

LOL, why isn't this on ESPN? Why isn't this being reported ANYWHERE important? The non-Brady GOAT QB would being grilled if this story had more legs to it.

Clips, give it up pal. Peyton isn't a system QB, he was the system.

To me, he gets over Brady because, well, the Pats are dirty cheaters and it's proven- too many times.

If Peyton had a decent defense even 50% of the time in Indy, he gets 2+ more rings.

[Clipper Nation]

LOL, why isn't this on ESPN? Why isn't this being reported ANYWHERE important? The non-Brady GOAT QB would being grilled if this story had more legs to it.
Peyton is in the same category as Durbeta, CP0, Kobe, etc. He's the golden boy. Media won't criticize him or report anything that makes him look bad.


Clips, give it up pal. Peyton isn't a system QB, he was the system.
I didn't say he was a system QB, I said he looked like one when the defense carried him to his only rings in spite of his play.

Peyton trying to be the system was the main reason why he underachieved. All it ever produced was empty stats and one-and-dones in the playoffs with stacked teams. It speaks volumes that Peyton's teams had their greatest successes when Peyton was playing like crap and the defense had to carry the team.

[Chucho]

Peyton is in the same category as Durbeta, CP0, Kobe, etc. He's the golden boy. Media won't criticize him or report anything that makes him look bad.


I didn't say he was a system QB, I said he looked like one when the defense carried him to his only rings in spite of his play.

Peyton trying to be the system was the main reason why he underachieved. All it ever produced was empty stats and one-and-dones in the playoffs with stacked teams. It speaks volumes that Peyton's teams had their greatest successes when Peyton was playing like crap and the defense had to carry the team.


Peyton wasn't carried. Without Peyton, Indy doesn't get to the SuperBowl that he happened to be the Most Valuable Player in and not his fault his defenses got raped in the two he lost.

Dude has 5 MVPS, almost every record possible and you treat him like a jabrone like he's a coat tail rider like Durbeta or got piggy backed to his rings like Shaq carried that big piece of luggage named Kobe. Completely different.

[Clipper Nation]

Peyton wasn't carried. Without Peyton, Indy doesn't get to the SuperBowl that he happened to be the Most Valuable Player in and not his fault his defenses got raped in the two he lost.

Dude has 5 MVPS, almost every record possible and you treat him like a jabrone like he's a coat tail rider like Durbeta or got piggy backed to his rings like Shaq carried that big piece of luggage named Kobe. Completely different.
Peyton's 2006 playoff stats: 3 TDs, 7 INTs, lowest playoff passer rating of any SB-winning QB. Meanwhile, the defense held opponents to 16.3 PPG. And you're giving him the credit for that ring? :lol That's like giving Porker the credit for the Spurs' ring in 2007 because he won Finals MVP against Boobie Gibson.

Peyton had an elite defense in 2005 and still choked to the Steelers at home. He had the best scoring defense in football in 2007 and choked to the Chargers with two hideous momentum-changing interceptions. He had an elite defense in 2012 and choked to the Ravens with a game-losing interception in OT. He had an elite defense in 2013 and we all remember his awful performance against the Seahawks. So no, the "if only he had better defenses" excuse doesn't work. He had plenty of great defenses, they just weren't always able to bail him out when he choked.

[Avante]

Peyton's 2006 playoff stats: 3 TDs, 7 INTs, lowest playoff passer rating of any SB-winning QB. Meanwhile, the defense held opponents to 16.3 PPG. And you're giving him the credit for that ring? :lol That's like giving Porker the credit for the Spurs' ring in 2007 because he won Finals MVP against Boobie Gibson.

Peyton had an elite defense in 2005 and still choked to the Steelers at home. He had the best scoring defense in football in 2007 and choked to the Chargers with two hideous momentum-changing interceptions. He had an elite defense in 2012 and choked to the Ravens with a game-losing interception in OT. He had an elite defense in 2013 and we all remember his awful performance against the Seahawks. So no, the "if only he had better defenses" excuse doesn't work. He had plenty of great defenses, they just weren't always able to bail him out when he choked.

So when talking the great QB's, who do we put ahead of Peyton Manning, well?

[Avante]

It really is funny, here we see Clipper Nation talking up....

Joe Flacco
Derek Anderson
Tom Savage

Why?

Then he runs down Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton who are FAR FAR FAR better than his boys.

I don't get it?

And why does he work so damn hard at it? Does the boy really think anyone values his QB opinions? When he's made it totally obvious he don't know shit about QB's.

Soom "STRUGGLE" Wilson will be voted in as one of the top 15 players in the NFL. Boy, what a "STRUGGLE"...hahaha~~~

2017

comp%....64.1
yards....3,983
TD....34..................NFL leader
INT...11
QB rating....95.4 and he is second only to Rodgers on the All Time list


That is struggling, hahahaha~~~~~~~

[Chucho]

I will give Avante some credit. He does know more about QBs than CN.

[Clipper Nation]

I will give Avante some credit. He does know more about QBs than CN.
:lol Funny joke.

[Chucho]

:lol Funny joke.


You can't shake that Tom Savage and Russell Wilson Ls bro. It'll be the only time I give him due credit as it's the only time he's earned it.

[Clipper Nation]

You can't shake that Tom Savage and Russell Wilson Ls bro. It'll be the only time I give him due credit as it's the only time he's earned it.
The Tom Savage thing was me trolling Avante, since he had spent that whole season making excuses for Assweiler's terrible play on the Texans. He's still melting down over it on a daily basis.

My opinion that Struggle is a glorified game manager on a stacked team isn't an "L" at all. It's the truth. Just look at how much worse the Seahawks get by the year as Struggle's role in their offense increases. They've gone from potential dynasty to one-hit wonder to missing the playoffs.

[Avante]

I will give Avante some credit. He does know more about QBs than CN.
Actually most football fans know more about QBs than CN.

Bench Newton for Anderson......stupid.

[Avante]

The Tom Savage thing was me trolling Avante, since he had spent that whole season making excuses for Assweiler's terrible play on the Texans. He's still melting down over it on a daily basis.

My opinion that Struggle is a glorified game manager on a stacked team isn't an "L" at all. It's the truth. Just look at how much worse the Seahawks get by the year as Struggle's role in their offense increases. They've gone from potential dynasty to one-hit wonder to missing the playoffs.

You know as well as I do if Savage had panned out there is no.....just me trolling. It would have been....see see what did I tell ya? So cool that lameass bullshit.


Dude, don't you think all of us get the game? So why is Russell playing in all those pro bowls, ranked high by the players, all those tv peope raving about him, this guy who has seen them all since Unitas bragging about him? Just watch the guy play, you really don't see...IT....everybody else does. Dude, the guy is an amazing player and only your dumbass doesn't see it.

Dude, I can talk about QB's you've never even heard of, yes Avante knows more about well......football....and it's totaly obvious,

Wilson has done thyings never seen before, you are aware of that, right? He holds three/four NFL records or firsts. His six season career THE six season career, Yet you're damn stupid to get any of that.

You don't know QB's guy and we can we see it, ok?

Best to do that dumb kid BS and.....tldr.......all ya can do stupid.