I have absolute right to pardon myself

[Brazil]

:lol Trump trying hard to transform Murica into a banana republic

[pgardn]

And is his party in Congress in power challenging this?

The Republicans who stay mum on Donald testing the waters in producing a monarchy are going to hold the Responsibility. This guy and his hack group of lawyers are pushing all boundaries of a democracy and a constitution. If the constitution thought the president was above the law they could have very easily written it in. The framers were clearly worried about an avalanche of frivolous personal law suits brought against sitting president that interfered with his job. The Mueller investigation should be the last thing on the orange clown’s mind. Let it go and get Russians who screwed with our election and US citizens that helped them. This guy is like a child. Do your job, block out the trivia you want to control. Where is the beautiful bipartisan INFRASTRUCTURE? Lying pos...

[CosmicCowboy]

Techniclly he is possibly correct. The supreme court has been vague on it. That is why they impeach Presidents instead of charging them with a crime in court.

[boutons_deux]

Congressional Repugs are proving they don't care about anything but their paymasters in the oligarchy.

And "elitist" Trash signed off on the Repugs' tax cut for the oligarchy. Repugs know he will sign every bill they pass.

Repugs to America and Americans? GFY

America is fucked and unfuckable

The Repug/oligarchy damage to America is deep and very long lasting, and the damaging is unstoppable.

[djohn2oo8]

Techniclly he is possibly correct. The supreme court has been vague on it. That is why they impeach Presidents instead of charging them with a crime in court.

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No he is not correct dumbass

[Winehole23]

Techniclly he is possibly correct. The supreme court has been vague on it. That is why they impeach Presidents instead of charging them with a crime in court.Impeach, remove, then indict.

[Winehole23]

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No he is not correct dumbassLegal opinion isn't a monolith and there are no precedents, but pardoning oneself is seldom a good look.

[spurraider21]

Impeach, remove, then indict.
that's possible too. nixon was pardoned after resigning though, just to have the country move on

[ducks]

do not like the law change it
just like it is the law to separate the children from their parents when they smuggle their kids into the country illlegal

[djohn2oo8]

Legal opinion isn't a monolith and there are no precedents, but pardoning oneself is seldom a good look.

Ol Rudy said it would lead to his immediate impeachment

[boutons_deux]

Repugs aren't going to impeach AND convict Trash

Anyway, the real damage to America is not this clown but his Exec and the Congressional Repugs.

Trash is certainly encouraging racism, xenophobia, distrust/hate of media and govt, but those are all within the strategy of the oligarchy/VRWC for decades.

[Winehole23]

Ol Rudy said it would lead to his immediate impeachmentpossibly, who knows? all hypothetical so far.

[CosmicCowboy]

do not like the law change it
just like it is the law to separate the children from their parents when they smuggle their kids into the country illlegal

They seperate normal citizens from their kids when they commit crimes too.

[ducks]

Former federal prosecutor Larry Klayman says President Donald Trump is accurate in proclaiming that he could pardon himself if he’s charged with crimes by special counsel Robert Mueller.

[Pavlov]

Former federal prosecutor Larry Klayman says President Donald Trump is accurate in proclaiming that he could pardon himself if he’s charged with crimes by special counsel Robert Mueller."Right wing activist says Trump is God"

[clambake]

Former federal prosecutor Larry Klayman says President Donald Trump is accurate in proclaiming that he could pardon himself if he’s charged with crimes by special counsel Robert Mueller.

ducks makes an admission.

[hater]

:lmao Trump triggering snowflakes

[hater]

Its called too big to jail. Nixon and Clinton qualify also

Eat that cake snowflakes :lol

[Chris]

:lmao Trump triggering snowflakes

:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

Its called too big to jail. Nixon and Clinton qualify also

Eat that cake snowflakes :lol

Where is that in the Constitution?

[djohn2oo8]

Its called too big to jail. Nixon and Clinton qualify also

Eat that cake snowflakes :lol

Oh and Nixon was pardoned you fucking moron :lol

[RandomGuy]

Techniclly he is possibly correct. The supreme court has been vague on it. That is why they impeach Presidents instead of charging them with a crime in court.

Nixon's DOJ was pretty clear on that the President couldn't do it.

How far Republicans have come.

Now, you seem to be entertaining the possibility that Dear Leader is above the law.

If a Democrat had said this, conservatives would lose their minds.

Hypocrisy much?

[RandomGuy]

They seperate normal citizens from their kids when they commit crimes too.

Rationalizing evil.

Holy fuck you people need to be stopped.

[RandomGuy]

Legal opinion isn't a monolith and there are no precedents, but pardoning oneself is seldom a good look.

Shithole countries do it all the time, amaright?

If it is good enough for Mugabe...

What next? Telling people where to buy electricity?

[pgardn]

Its called too big to jail. Nixon and Clinton qualify also

Eat that cake snowflakes :lol


You are an idiot.

Nixon was pardoned and he did NOT WANT TO BE as he thought it would be an admission of guilt. Orange guy is dreaming of a monarchy when it’s only his friends and relatives who are most likely to go down.

But it fits.
You always did want Vladimir to impale you through an orifice.
You like authority to perform sadistic acts on your person.

[Chris]

If Hillary Is Indicted, President Clinton Could Pardon Herself and Congress Might be Helpless


https://am23.akamaized.net/lc/cnt/uploads/2016/05/shutterstock_386144515-350x234.jpg



On Friday, just days before the election, reports are emerging that the FBI has re-opened the Hillary Clinton email investigation. “The FBI has learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation,” a letter from FBI Director James Comey reads. And while Comey didn’t indicate how long the investigation could take, it’s pretty safe to bet investigators won’t come to any kind of decision before November 8th. It may even take months for the FBI to wrap up round two of this. So what happens if Clinton is elected, takes office, and then finds her self under indictment? It might not be likely, but it is worth exploring the legal possibilities.

It is Friday, January 20, 2017 and Hillary Clinton has just been sworn in as the 45th President of the United States after narrowly defeating Donald Trump in November. Republicans managed to hold both the House of Representatives and the Senate. A few weeks after winning the election, however, the Department of Justice handed down a multi-count indictment against Clinton over her handling of classified information and her involvement in an alleged pay for play scandal with the Clinton Foundation during her time as Secretary of State. It is a scenario that several of our commentators, and twitter followers have asked us to analyze.

As I am sure you can imagine, such a situation would cause a political firestorm of epic proportions. But before dismissing this scenario as some sort of wild fantasy, be reminded that we are talking about the Clintons who are no strangers to bizarre scandals (bringing nearly all of them upon themselves). In fact, a delayed announcement would be similar to what happened with David Petraeus in 2012 when DOJ sat on announcing that investigation until three days after the election.

Now, back to January 20, 2017. Could a future President Hillary Clinton pardon herself?

The short answer is she could certainly try, and may very well get away with it. What’s more, there is likely little Congress could do about it — even with a Republican controlled House of Representatives and Senate. Here is why.

The president’s pardon power comes from Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution that provides, “The President … shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”

Based on the language of Article II, Section 2, the only limits placed on the power are that pardons may only be issued for federal offenses (not civil or state crimes), and a pardon cannot override the Congress’ impeachment power. Presidents have used this power to issue pardons in a wide range of matters throughout the country’s history. However, no president has ever attempted to pardon himself.

As a result, the legality of the self-pardon remains an open question. There are persuasive arguments on both sides. For the sake of brevity, the two arguments can be boiled down to this: (1) those that argue a self-pardon violates longstanding legal principals that a person should not act as their own judge and that no person is above the law; and (2) those, including Richard Nixon’s attorneys in the aftermath of Watergate, that argue that power to pardon is broad and unlimited, except for the two specific limitations mentioned in the Constitution.

So, assuming Clinton follows the latter approach and issues the self-pardon, where does that leave Congress? Could the House of Representatives start impeachment proceedings based on the criminal indictments?

That answer to that question is a resounding “no.”

Under Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution, “The President… shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

The Constitution further provides that impeachment proceedings are to begin in the House of Representatives and if approved by a simple majority vote, the matter proceeds to the Senate for trial. When the president is tried, the Chief Justice presides over the Senate trial. A conviction requires a 2/3-majority vote and the Senate may impose punishment including barring the individual from holding future office. Although, the Senate is required to take an additional vote if it wishes to impose a ban on holding future office.

In Clinton’s case, however, the conduct underlying this hypothetical indictment occurred prior to her taking office. The House of Representatives, as far back as 1873, has determined that a person cannot be impeached based on conduct prior to them holding office. In other words, House precedent says a President Hillary Clinton could not be impeached as president for crimes related to the e-mail server or the Clinton Foundation.

In 1873, the House of Representatives considered impeaching the Vice President for crimes committed before he took office. After considering the matter, the House determined impeachment was only proper for crimes committed while in office.

So, under this precedent, a President Hillary Clinton could pardon herself without the Congress being able to do anything about it.

However, all options may not be exhausted. There remains a possibility that self-pardon is grounds for impeachment as an abuse of power. Furthermore, there is the possibility of impeaching Clinton back from her time as Secretary of State.

https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/if-hillary-is-indicted-president-clinton-could-pardon-herself-and-congress-might-be-helpless/amp/

[Fabbs]

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No he is not correct dumbass
Non binding partisan opinions Porky.

Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel

[Pavlov]

If Hillary Is Indicted, President Clinton Could Pardon Herself and Congress Might be Helpless


https://am23.akamaized.net/lc/cnt/uploads/2016/05/shutterstock_386144515-350x234.jpgTurns out even Trump can't indict her.

[pgardn]

There is a joke in here involving Trump, barfing, belching, farting, or accidental grabbing genitalia and then exclaiming, “pardon me”

But I’m not gonna come up with it...

[Spurtacular]

:lol Trump trying hard to transform Murica into a banana republic

:lol Obama beat him to it.

[Spurtacular]

:lol Trump trying hard to transform Murica into a banana republic

:lol Obama beat him to it.

[dabom]

Turns out even Trump can't indict her.

:lmao

[Brazil]

:lol Obama beat him to it.

:lol no
:lol you are an imbecile

[Reck]

:lmao Trump triggering snowflakes

Bro, we just dont want to become the next Venezuela or Turkey. That's all.

I guess it's funny as long as you dont have to live under a terrorist regime, imo.

[Spurtacular]

Bro, we just dont want to become the next Venezuela or Turkey. That's all.

I guess it's funny as long as you dont have to live under a terrorist regime, imo.

Cos they're shit holes?