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RandomGuy
06-05-2018, 01:23 PM
Eyup. He gets to own this.

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Ahead of the Iraq War, Secretary of State Colin Powell warned colleagues about how the U.S. would be forced to spend years fixing Iraq if it invaded, citing what he called the “Pottery Barn Rule”: You break it, you own it.

On immigration, something different has happened to President Trump—something more like traditional buyer’s remorse. He aggressively and successively made hardline immigration policy synonymous with himself, but with a growing uproar over the separation of children from parents apprehended crossing the border, he is now wishing to distance himself from the policy.

Yet in other ways, Trump has tried to soft-pedal the effects of the policy Sessions announced in May, and to distance himself from it. On May 26, he tweeted, “Put pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from there [sic] parents once they cross the Border into the U.S.” On Tuesday, he added:



Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
Separating families at the Border is the fault of bad legislation passed by the Democrats. Border Security laws should be changed but the Dems can’t get their act together! Started the Wall.

There is no law that requires separation per se; the Flores agreement simply says children can’t be incarcerated, and the Trump administration has made a decision to send all parents apprehended to jail, necessitating separation.


One could make an argument for such a separation—for example, one could say that it serves as a deterrent, discouraging parents from bringing their children if they don’t want to be separated. The retiring head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, however, says deterrence is not the goal of the policy. Sessions has presented this as simply an unfortunate byproduct of enforcing the law. “If you don’t want your child separated, then don’t bring them across the border illegally,” he said.

Trump has not mounted any such defense, though. Instead, he has attacked the policy as the fault of his political opponents. He refers to “bad legislation passed by Democrats,” but although the Flores agreement came into effect in 1997, during the presidency of Democrat Bill Clinton, it’s not a law. Another law, the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, was signed by President George W. Bush and exempts unaccompanied children from speedy deportation to their home country.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/trump-cant-disown-his-immigration-policies-now/562097

boutons_deux
06-05-2018, 01:48 PM
"one could say that it serves as a deterrent"

"could"?

that's EXACTLY what the WH/DHS did say, eg Kelly.

ducks
06-05-2018, 02:19 PM
Amazing people who commit crime and go to jail are separated from family
Some are permanently when the state excutes them

koriwhat
06-05-2018, 02:31 PM
Don't invade this country and this whole debacle wouldn't be talked about.

Chris
06-05-2018, 02:59 PM
Don't break the law and use your kids for leverage. :tu

rmt
06-05-2018, 03:59 PM
Don't break the law, and you won't be separated from your children - that applies even to US citizens.

RandomGuy
06-05-2018, 05:46 PM
Don't break the law and use your kids for leverage. :tu

Don't punish terrified blind 6 year olds for what their parents did. That's evil.

666 fifth avenue. The signs are all in front of you. Jesus was pretty clear about immigrants, fake Christian.

koriwhat
06-05-2018, 05:50 PM
Don't punish terrified blind 6 year olds for what their parents did. That's evil.

evil is thinking you're allowed to invade a country because you feel entitled to do so. make your own god damn country great again or great for the first time.

idgaf about this issue at all because it wouldn't be an issue if our laws were actually enforced in the first place. fuck your feelings and fuck criminal invaders!

RandomGuy
06-05-2018, 06:02 PM
evil is thinking you're allowed to invade a country because you feel entitled to do so. make your own god damn country great again or great for the first time.

idgaf about this issue at all because it wouldn't be an issue if our laws were actually enforced in the first place. fuck your feelings and fuck criminal invaders!

Don't punish terrified blind 6 year olds for what their parents did. That's evil.

I think I will go ahead and put you on ignore this point. Haven't seen anything from you that seems worth responding to in a long time.

koriwhat
06-05-2018, 06:04 PM
Don't punish terrified blind 6 year olds for what their parents did. That's evil.

I think I will go ahead and put you on ignore this point. Haven't seen anything from you that seems worth responding to in a long time.

lmao their parents are punishing them. what don't you understand about that? so hard to get through to your lead filled head.

RandomGuy
06-05-2018, 06:05 PM
Wow. Didn't realize I still had all mouse's old trolls in my ignore list. I unchecked them.

Only one name there now.

Chris
06-05-2018, 06:25 PM
Don't punish terrified blind 6 year olds for what their parents did. That's evil.

666 fifth avenue. The signs are all in front of you. Jesus was pretty clear about immigrants, fake Christian.


We wholeheartedly believe that Christians are called to be compassionate and merciful toward immigrants (Exodus 22:21; Leviticus 19:33–34; Matthew 25:35). We also believe that the United States should have a more compassionate and merciful immigration policy. However, that is not the question at hand. The question at hand concerns illegal immigration—whether it is wrong to violate a nation’s borders and transgress its immigration laws.

Romans 13:1–7 makes it abundantly clear that God expects us to obey the laws of the government. The only exception to this is when a law of the government forces us to disobey a command of God (Acts 5:29). Illegal immigration is the breaking of a government’s law. There is nothing in Scripture that contradicts the idea of a sovereign nation having immigration laws. Therefore, it is rebellion against God to unlawfully enter another country. Illegal immigration is a sin.

Illegal immigration is definitely a controversial issue in the United States (and some other countries) today. Some argue that the immigration laws are unfair, unjust, and even discriminatory—thus giving individuals justification to immigrate illegally. However, Romans 13:1–7 does not give any permission to violate a law just because it is perceived as unjust. Again, the issue is not the fairness of a law. The only biblical reason to violate a government’s law is if that law violates God's Word. When Paul wrote the book of Romans, he was under the authority of the Roman Empire, led by Emperor Nero. Under that reign, there were many laws that were unfair, unjust, and/or blatantly evil. Still, Paul instructed Christians to submit to the government.

Are the immigration laws of the United States unfair or unjust? Some think so, but that is not the issue. All developed countries in the world have immigration laws, some more strict than the USA’s, and some less strict, and all have to deal with illegal immigration. There is nothing in the Bible to prohibit a country from having completely open borders or to have completely closed borders. Romans 13:1–7 also gives the government the authority to punish lawbreakers. Whether the punishment is imprisonment, deportation, or even something more severe, it is within the rights of the government to determine.

Illegal immigration is a complex issue. The vast majority of illegal immigrants in the United States have come for the purpose of having a better life, providing for their families, and escaping poverty. These are good goals and motivations. However, it is not biblical to violate a law to achieve a “good.” Caring for the poor, orphans, and widows is something the Bible commands us to do (Galatians 2:10; James 1:27; 2:2–15). However, the biblical fact that we are to care for the unfortunate does not mean we should violate the law in doing so. Supporting, enabling, and/or encouraging illegal immigration is, therefore, a violation of God’s Word. Those seeking to emigrate to another country should always obey the immigration laws of that country. While this may cause delays and frustrations, it is better than acting illegally. A frustrating law is still a law.

What is the biblical solution to illegal immigration? Simple—don’t do it; obey the laws. If disobedience is not a biblical option, what can be done in regards to an unjust immigration law? It is completely within the rights of citizens to seek to change immigration laws. If it is your conviction that an immigration law is unjust, do everything that is legally within your power to get the law changed: pray, petition, vote, peacefully protest, etc. As Christians, we should be the first to seek to change any law that is unjust. At the same time, we are also to demonstrate our submission to God by obeying the government He has placed in authority over us.

“Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God” (1 Peter 2:13–16).

Winehole23
06-06-2018, 12:20 AM
There is nothing in Scripture that contradicts the idea of a sovereign nation having immigration laws. Therefore, it is rebellion against God to unlawfully enter another country. Illegal immigration is a sin.
:rollin

https://www.gotquestions.org/illegal-immigration.html