Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[FkLA]

I bet you still think it's Dario Gallinari

:tu

[Chillen]

No one has brought this up but say Lakers trade for Kawhi and are able to sign LeBron would Kobe Bryant be drooling at the thought of an NBA comeback with Lakers. I can't imagine he wouldn't.

[FkLA]

I'm a fan of Saric. Not sure why yall are hating on him:lol he would instantly be our best forward next to Aldridge

Hell nah. Maybe as a complimentary piece in a trade package but certainly not as the centerpiece. He's a C+ level player.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

At this point it feels like Kawhi is 100% not signing here

[Chillen]

At this point it feels like Kawhi is 100% not signing here

Spurs could keep him and hope LeBron signs with Spurs and if he doesn't trade him. Won't get the same return they could now especially with all the hype surrounding LeBron possibly to Lakers. Spurs FO is well aware of this so they probably working hard behind the scenes now.

[Clipper Nation]

Fuck, I wish Gallo was as good as Saric, tbh.

[marinoman]

So there’s no chance anymore spurs can repair the relationship with kawhi? Im not interested in these jobbers and mid first round picks

[Chillen]

So there’s no chance anymore spurs can repair the relationship with kawhi? Im not interested in these jobbers and mid first round picks

I doubt Boston gives up Tatum but I do hope Spurs can get him for Kawhi.

[Capt Bringdown]

The only thing that has changed over the past month or so is that the Spurs are definitely ready to move on from him, but they are not going to be railroaded into it-- neither by Kawhi camp, nor by a pro-Lakers media frenzy..

One would hope that the Spurs won't get cucked, but this same FO that threw millions at Gasol and Patty...as if that was the way forward.
After that, who knows what the Spurs will do?
I think those famous wheels fell off when Duncan retired, but the Spurs haven't hit rock bottom yet it seems. I've been a Spurs fan since Hector was a pup, but trading Leonard to the Lakers, that might be a bridge too far. It would take me a good long while to get past that.

[Clipper Nation]

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Translation: Welcome to the Clippers, LeBron and Kawhi. :downspin:

[bklynspursfan]

Competitive i.e. shot at being a first round exit.

Always liked Pop butit’s Time for him to hang it up.

Yea, that's not what they mean by competitive. This year shouldn't even count when you consider what they went thru. The last 6 post season appearances (not this last debacle )

12WCF
13 Finals
14 Finals
15 1st round
16 2nd round
17 WCF

That's one first round exit, I'm not factoring in cause it was such a mess with this Kawhi nonsense. Of course they want to be competitive, this is a proud franchise. Not to mention Pop doesn't have many years left. He'll hang em up when he's ready . And if they can remain competitive while retooling, it sets up his assistants more. I wouldn't be surprised if he has them in mind already, he's always thinking big picture

[NASpurs]

Should just send Gasol back to the Bulls

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[Leetonidas]

At this point it feels like Kawhi is 100% not signing here

Really going out on a limb there

[Mr. Body]

I doubt Boston gives up Tatum but I do hope Spurs can get him for Kawhi.

Not going to happen.

[Chillen]

Should just send Gasol back to the Bulls

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If we trade Kawhi and get young players Pau becomes more valuable to Spurs because he can help with veteran leadership. Only trade Pau if Spurs can sign LeBron. So why trade him if Spurs ship out Leonard? Spurs got 47 wins last season with Gasol and LMA out there.

[Joseph Kony]

If we trade Kawhi and get young players Pau becomes more valuable to Spurs because he can help with veteran leadership. Only trade Pau if Spurs can sign LeBron. So why trade him if Spurs ship out Leonard?

because he sucks balls and im tired of watching his garbage ass loafing around, screaming constantly and flailing his arms on defense

[FkLA]

Fuck, I wish Gallo was as good as Saric, tbh.

Prime Gallinari was every bit as good, slow, and unathletic as Saric, tbh.

[Spurs4#5]

I’m convinced that the spurs don’t need to try and find a guy with potential to be a superstar. I think that’s what trying to acquire a potential lottery pick is for. I think the spurs need to try and get 2-3 B and above players who can shoot and defend. I think pop is smart enough to run a system that isn’t predicated on having a superstar. I play maker would be a plus but I think the way we drafted and the development of white and Murray will suffice on playmakers.

[BatManu20]

Lottery, here we come :lol


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[Chillen]

because he sucks balls and im tired of watching his garbage ass loafing around, screaming constantly and flailing his arms on defense

He just doing what it takes to win games in the NBA. Spurs never had a healthy team last season not Pau's fault.

[lmbebo]

Lottery, here we come :lol


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want none of those players

[NASpurs]

Lottery, here we come :lol


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Fucking gross. Nearly barfed.

[Mr. Body]

Lottery, here we come :lol


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I just puked.

[Mugen]

I legit threw up in my mouth when I saw the Lakers trash in Spurs jerseys

[Uriel]

At this point it feels like Kawhi is 100% not signing here
We still have him under contract for another year. I don’t understand why the front office is so intent on trading him when they can do the long game and play out the season.

[Joseph Kony]

He just doing what it takes to win games in the NBA. Spurs never had a healthy team last season not Pau's fault.

i didnt realize being clumsy and awkward, routinely getting your dribble poked away, screaming at the top of your lungs underneath the basket, and flailing around after the offensive player has already blown past you were considered "doing what it takes to win games" :lmao

[Joseph Kony]

Lottery, here we come :lol


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:vomit:

[RD2191]

Lottery, here we come :lol


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[Spurs4#5]

Yea, that's not what they mean by competitive. This year shouldn't even count when you consider what they went thru. The last 6 post season appearances (not this last debacle )

12WCF
13 Finals
14 Finals
15 1st round
16 2nd round
17 WCF

That's one first round exit, I'm not factoring in cause it was such a mess with this Kawhi nonsense. Of course they want to be competitive, this is a proud franchise. Not to mention Pop doesn't have many years left. He'll hang em up when he's ready . And if they can remain competitive while retooling, it sets up his assistants more. I wouldn't be surprised if he has them in mind already, he's always thinking big picture

You mean to tell me the spurs have made it to at least the WCF in the last 7 years 4 times and have won a championship in that time period as well? But pop is senile and doesn’t know what he’s doing. He stopped caring a long time ago. RC is always drunk and isn’t a good GM. Spurstalk logic

[Ron Swanson]

I'm not going to quote that pic, but holy fuck that is awful.

[NASpurs]

Are they all special needs or what? We're not running a Make-A-Wish foundation here.

[Joseph Kony]

really dont want Kyle Kuzma. dude thinks hes a lot better than he really is and probably will never be much better than he is now.

[dbestpro]

Hell nah. Maybe as a complimentary piece in a trade package but certainly not as the centerpiece. He's a C+ level player.

Watch the highlights and Saric wins the hustle plays, passes well and hits the three. You could grade him B, but he is far from a C level player.

[sasaint]

My problems dealing with the Lakers:

-We've seen it before. Young Lakers prospects turn to shit when they're traded from there. I don't know if it's a case of the media overrating Lakers prospects or some psychological factor at play, but it's definitely a trend.

-As related to the above point, when prospects are traded from the Lakers, they seem to get depressed and despondent and get "homesick" for LA to the point they want out (to anywhere) from their new team. So even if the Spurs were able to develop Ingram and Kuzma into a solid 1-2 punch, they would likely leave the Spurs when their contracts expire. This means the Spurs spent all the time and work developing only to get nothing in return. Ingram and Kuzma, et al would basically turn the Spurs into a treadmill team for the next 3 years, meaning no high lottery picks. I'd rather the Spurs just go into tank mode for the next few seasons and stockpile. The pieces we'd get from the Lakers would be a very temporary "fix" (i.e. keeping the Spurs in the 8th seed hunt) that wouldn't set up the club for the future. Some might argue that if the Spurs develop these players to the point where the Spurs are "a piece away" from being a contender, they probably wouldn't leave in FA if the Spurs could sign that missing piece. Don't see that scenario as realistic given the Spurs track record of acquiring high profile free agents.

This is why the Spurs have always stockpiled and built through the draft. If they can get talent as rookies, better chance of the organization "indoctrinating them" into the culture.

Good points. The culture started teetering when Tim retired. Will it topple entirely when Pop decides to hang it up? I think the Spurs are wrestling with those issues during this whole ordeal. Will the culture be perpetuated or is the team in need of a new paradigm? Those kind of longer term considerations will likely have some bearing on the resolution of this Kawhi-sis.

[picnroll]

Lottery, here we come :lol


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So who we getting when LMA demands a trade?

[NASpurs]

:lmao why even talk to us then

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[BillMc]

You mean to tell me the spurs have made it to at least the WCF in the last 7 years 4 times and have won a championship in that time period as well? But pop is senile and doesn’t know what he’s doing. He stopped caring a long time ago. RC is always drunk and isn’t a good GM. Spurstalk logic

Its ST. Spoiled fans are bored and want change for change's sake. Don't realize what they have, When they're gone they'll be clamoring for Pop and RC.

[lmbebo]

Lakers trash fail when they leave the lakers, just look at Clarkson and Nance... many examples before that.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

I’m thinking it’s going to be bad then when it happens it’s going to be worse than I thought. This is so shitty.

[Ron Swanson]

:lmao why even talk to us then

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Shouldn't have picked up the phone in the first place.

[cd98]

If you have enough superstars the buy into culture, you can pick the less talented guys that also fit into the culture and still win. But when you don’t have the right superstars....

George Karl used to say Pop had easiest coaching job. Pop had Duncan, Manu, and Parker. Karl had Martin, Melo, and JR Smith....

[Joseph Kony]

Lol Ingram is their only decent prospect. lmao if anyone thinks he wont be included in a deal for Leonard

[Mr. Body]

If Magic was actually asking for Dejounte Murray and not putting even Ingram on the table. *shaking my head*

[FkLA]

Watch the highlights and Saric wins the hustle plays, passes well and hits the three. You could grade him B, but he is far from a C level player.

Hell nah. B level players are guys like Klay, PG13, Hayward, Conley, Beal, 17-18 Oladipo, etc.

Saric will never be that good. He's just another Gallinari.

[Spurs9]

:lol
All these "Twitter reporters"

[Clipper Nation]

If Magic was actually asking for Dejounte Murray and not putting even Ingram on the table. *shaking my head*
And cucked Spurs fans actually want to trade Kawhi to that team :lol

[BatManu20]

:lmao why even talk to us then

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Sounds like posturing by the Lakers in case the deal falls through. Don’t want to upset Ingram in case they have to retain him

[lmbebo]

So our best player wants to go there and we are supposed to throw in our developing talent, maybe future allstar into the trade to make it work for ya'll? And what do we get back? Lavar ball? Hart? Randle signed to a 5 year $100+ million contract? Thanks but no thanks ....

[Russ]

:lmao why even talk to us then

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I doubt the Spurs will deal unless Ingram is involved.

[FkLA]

:lmao why even talk to us then

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Lakers get: Kawhi and DJ
Spurs get: Magic's AIDS

[Mr. Body]

I doubt the Spurs will deal unless Ingram is involved.

Yeah, they just play with Kawhi next year at that point.

[Hoops Czar]

I’m thinking it’s going to be bad then when it happens it’s going to be worse than I thought. This is so shitty.
That's how it is with rhe PATFO. You go in thinking you'll get a bunch of silver dollars and you end up with pennies on the dollar.

[sasaint]

:lol He had one of the worst rookie seasons ever in terms of TS%. He was absolutely terrible.

Until he played the Spurs.

[Spurs9]

Wasn't it reported the baseline of what the lakers and spurs would do? It showed kuzma/ingram, I'm so sick of all these conflicting reports. I may just forgot about reading about this soap opera until the trade goes down. Reporters are literally making things up at this point.

[MoSpur02]

Spurs need to put all the trade talks on hold until LeBron and PG decide where they're going.

[sasaint]

really dont want Kyle Kuzma. dude thinks hes a lot better than he really is and probably will never be much better than he is now.

Exactly. Consequently, he will bolt at the first opportunity, too. Not a "Spur" at all.

[apalisoc_9]

What I'm hearing from my source is that no team is even in advanced trade talks with the Spurs. Only Enquiries.

[rasuo214]

Boston is just as cautious as the Spurs. The Celtics probably know that the Spurs haven't offered the supermax and are wondering why.

From what I'm told and how I understand it, is the Spurs won't offer the supermax until they get some kind of clearance that he's 100% healthy.

Why would the Spurs need clearance? Didn't the team doctors clear him to play months ago and people on here accusing him of faking an injury?

Either he's healthy and faked being injured to force a trade or he was actually injured.

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I don't know but I can't help but think LMA is partly the reason he doesn't want to be here and when the Spurs signed him to an extension, the shit hit the fan.

So if you are correct, we can't win with this guy, huh? Bring in 2014-2015's biggest prize and we get moody?

Jesus, what a shitshow. Fuck Kawhi for even letting this shit happen. This is anathema to the Spurs way and he's the one that broke the vase. Make him pay for it. You break it, you pay for it.

[sasaint]

Lol Ingram is their only decent prospect. lmao if anyone thinks he wont be included in a deal for Leonard

I actually like Randle, too, on the strength of last season.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs need to hold on I don't care what's leaked they can cockblock LeBron to LA.

[FkLA]

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PG and Kawhitter to LA confirmed smh.

[Marcus Bryant]

Sports media so transparent. Why, we don't understand why a trade hasn't happened!

[HarlemHeat37]

Why do you guys take every tweet so seriously?:lol

Of course the Lakers offered Ingram..

You're going to make yourself crazy if you believe every report from now until the end of this shit:lol you have the Lakers, Kawhi's team, LeBron AND the Spurs all leaking shit to the media, not to mention the dozens of people trying to build a Twitter following by throwing darts and hoping one of them hits..

[bklynspursfan]

You mean to tell me the spurs have made it to at least the WCF in the last 7 years 4 times and have won a championship in that time period as well? But pop is senile and doesn’t know what he’s doing. He stopped caring a long time ago. RC is always drunk and isn’t a good GM. Spurstalk logic

Yup. It's comical.


Its ST. Spoiled fans are bored and want change for change's sake. Don't realize what they have, When they're gone they'll be clamoring for Pop and RC.

And yes. Most definitely

[NASpurs]

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[MoSpur02]

Lakers release Tyler Ennis

[NASpurs]

Not that it means anything... I'm assuming... :lol

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[RD2191]

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Trollolol

[Down Under]

Now Uncle Dennis is leaking that Kawhi is just not having fun in SA the same way GSW are allowed to. This would be legit except the guy doesn't even talk. So as of now, Dennis's list stands at:

-Roster Mismanagement
-Concern about inadequate shoe deal for a player who hates speaking & doesn't market himself.
-Wants to play in LA, despite despising talking to the media
-Teammates not supporting him in the media, despite the fact that TP would be either retiring or not having an on court role anymore & is irrelevant at this point.
-Demanding a trade to LA, then the next day leaking that Kawhi is 100% healthy.
-Saying Kawhi is close after his 2nd stint in NY, then he's ruled out for the season.
-Not able to have fun & be himself.

This has gotta be some of the most cowboy shit I've heard ever.

[gambit1990]

kuzma's pinned tweet on his twitter is IM A LAKER. we'll see for how much longer.

[Spurs da champs]

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He's probably talking about Fornite

[dbestpro]

Said the Lakers will go after another allstar if they don't get Leonard. I wonder if they will take Anthony off the Thunder's hands.

[acoelho1]

They should just tell Kawhi that the deals are not good enough and that he will have to play out the year. He doesn't want to go through that circus so maybe he would agree to sign long term in Philly or Boston. If not, he plays it out and will give Pop more time to resolve this issue and he will probably qualify again for the supermax next year. If he walks, then we trade ever Aldridge and start over with just the young guys.

[Spurs da champs]

Honest question, would Spurs being going through this BS with Kawhi if his dad (RIP) was still alive?

[Hoops Czar]

Its ST. Spoiled fans are bored and want change for change's sake. Don't realize what they have, When they're gone they'll be clamoring for Pop and RC.
No, I think most fans want Kawhi to stay. And nobody will miss Pop and his personal secretary RC Buford when they're gone, at least I won't. They're actually part of the problem, not the answer to a solution.

[Mr. Body]

Said the Lakers will go after another allstar if they don't get Leonard. I wonder if they will take Anthony off the Thunder's hands.

Oh, God, please!

[tbdog]

Firstly, if a deal comes, it comes tomorrow. Finally, stay away from Lakers forums. I can't. :D

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=184797&postdays=0&postorder=asc******=8125

[BatManu20]

Something’s happening


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[Mr. Body]

Something’s happening


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Poop is coming out.

[jjktkk]

So playing basketball as your fucking JOB and getting paid $Ms isn't fun enough? FOH :lol

Man, what a dipshit Jabari Young is. Of course GS is having fun. Any team with that much talent is going to have fun.

[spurs10]

We still have him under contract for another year. I don’t understand why the front office is so intent on trading him when they can do the long game and play out the season. This little bit of information seems to have been missed by many people. R.C. made it clear he was going to keep Kawhi for as long as possible, so they might not be very intent at trading him at all. At the end of the year, if Kawhi is All-NBA then we can offer the super-max or Kawhi can leave all that money on the table and go to Hollywood Hell.

Also if LeBron wants to play with Kawhi he can come here too. It's much easier and Magic can keep the farm.

[BatManu20]

Said the Lakers will go after another allstar if they don't get Leonard. I wonder if they will take Anthony off the Thunder's hands.


Lmao Jesus Christ I hope that happens. Lakers going from prime Kawhi to 35 year-old Carmelo is like going from a Ferrari to razor scooter with a broken handle.

[Lostwingman]

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Throw away tweet.

[NASpurs]

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[BatManu20]

Hart and Kuzma already seem childish as fuck and annoying. Sigh

[Ron Swanson]

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There's a sale at Penney's!

[MoSpur02]

Hart and Kuzma already seem childish as fuck and annoying. Sigh

This

[Clipper Nation]

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Glad other players are calling these Lakers attention-whore scrubs out on their trolling.

[Spurs da champs]

Hart and Kuzma already seem childish as fuck and annoying. Sigh
This is the new NBA man, get used to it.

[Hoops Czar]

Hart and Kuzma already seem childish as fuck and annoying. Sigh
Then they won't have any fun here. San Antonio is strictly a work zone.

[marinoman]

Said the Lakers will go after another allstar if they don't get Leonard. I wonder if they will take Anthony off the Thunder's hands.
Give cousins the max

[Lostwingman]

Now Uncle Dennis is leaking that Kawhi is just not having fun in SA the same way GSW are allowed to. This would be legit except the guy doesn't even talk. So as of now, Dennis's list stands at:

-Roster Mismanagement
-Concern about inadequate shoe deal for a player who hates speaking & doesn't market himself.
-Wants to play in LA, despite despising talking to the media
-Teammates not supporting him in the media, despite the fact that TP would be either retiring or not having an on court role anymore & is irrelevant at this point.
-Demanding a trade to LA, then the next day leaking that Kawhi is 100% healthy.
-Saying Kawhi is close after his 2nd stint in NY, then he's ruled out for the season.
-Not able to have fun & be himself.

This has gotta be some of the most cowboy shit I've heard ever.

So wait, how old was Kawhi when his dad died?

This guy is a hardcore leech at this point.

[dbestpro]

The Laker players offered for KL are undisciplined, aloof, and are the stars of a losing team. Pop will stroke out trying to get these spoiled brats to play basketball the way it was meant to be played. They need to be forced to spend a couple of months away from civilization in a Bobby Knight basketball camp.

[dbestpro]

Give cousins the max

Maybe they'll reunite with Dwight Howard.

[marinoman]

Yea pop is too serious, kawhi is all about fun and partying, which is why he never fuckin speaks or smiles right?

[Marcus Bryant]

The Laker players offered for KL are undisciplined, aloof, and are the stars of a losing team. Pop will stroke out trying to get these spoiled brats to play basketball the way it was meant to be played. They need to be forced to spend a couple of months away from civilization in a Bobby Knight basketball camp.

Absolutely. I don't see Pop sticking around for a rebuild.

[RD2191]

Hart and Kuzma already seem childish as fuck and annoying. Sigh

Tbh :lol

[gambit1990]

Hart and Kuzma already seem childish as fuck and annoying. Sigh

[MoSpur02]

Trade LMA to Orlando for Gordon and Vucevic

[lmbebo]

Trade LMA to Orlando for Gordon and Vucevic

In a heart beat, but didn't you or someone else write that the Spurs don't want to rebuild?

[moisaenz]

Is kawhi's camp willing to share the spotlight with Lebron?

[kjhip1]

Lmao Jesus Christ I hope that happens. Lakers going from prime Kawhi to 35 year-old Carmelo is like going from a Ferrari to razor scooter with a broken handle.

:lol

[jjktkk]

Watch the highlights and Saric wins the hustle plays, passes well and hits the three. You could grade him B, but he is far from a C level player.

:tu

[Spurs4#5]

Any chance we try and get rid of gasol and green to free up enough money to sign cousins?

[Mr. Body]

Any chance we try and get rid of gasol and green to free up enough money to sign cousins?

FUCK NO

[Leetonidas]

Trade LMA to Orlando for Gordon and Vucevic

Why would the magic do this?

[marinoman]

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[HarlemHeat37]

Barry McCockiner is one of the best follows on Twitter..his anti-Kobe and anti-Jordan shit is :lmao

[Ron Swanson]

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:lmao

[dbestpro]

Why would the magic do this?

They are open to trading Vucevic and there have been rumors that they think Gordon, a restricted free agent will cost too much.

[DPG21920]

I’ve reached the acceptance stage. Spurs are in a tough spot.

[RD2191]

I’ve reached the acceptance stage. Spurs are in a tough spot.

I've reached the fuck the Lakers and their scrubs stage.

[Spurs4#5]

FUCK NO
Why?

[bklynspursfan]

So wait, how old was Kawhi when his dad died?

This guy is a hardcore leech at this point.

When he was in HS, I think a senior but not 100%

[Ron Swanson]

I've reached the fuck the Lakers and their scrubs stage.

[HarlemHeat37]

I’ve reached the acceptance stage. Spurs are in a tough spot.

I think it'll end up being a Lakers trade due to outside interference..I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I generally mock them, but I'm buying it here:lol


Personally, my thoughts on the matter change every day, but right now I'd rather ruin the Lakers plans and get a shittier deal in return:lol I hope the Spurs hold out until LeBron and George sign there, at least..there's no alternative to Kawhi for them, they can take a broken Cousins..

[Killakobe81]

Why? Did you hear any rumors about them wanting to trade LMA?

Fultz is not a beautiful game PG he is a dribble heavy one like Kyrie without the mid range or finishing ability... He better athlete and is bigger and longer...

[Killakobe81]

I think it'll end up being a Lakers trade due to outside interference..I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I generally mock them, but I'm buying it here:lol


Personally, my thoughts on the matter change every day, but right now I'd rather ruin the Lakers plans and get a shittier deal in return:lol I hope the Spurs hold out until LeBron and George sign there, at least..

At least your honest...:lol

[Lostwingman]

I've reached the fuck the Lakers and their scrubs stage.

How you only getting there now?

[HarlemHeat37]

At least your honest...:lol

I forgot how much I disliked the Lakers, Killa, it died down after 2013..

[Lostwingman]

When he was in HS, I think a senior but not 100%

If that's the case then it's a bit much for his Uncle to effectively run his career. This isn't a "practically raised him myself" relationship.

[RD2191]

How you only getting there now?

I was in denial, and denial is not just a river in Egypt.

[Mr. Body]

Why?

Cousins is worthless. He'll eat up a lot of money and never win you games. Overrated as hell

[dabom]

dpg on reddit. :lmao

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8upgwj/dude_i_freaking_hate_kawhi_for_this_i_could/

[$pursDynasty]

Could the Lakers trade Lonzo for Lou Williams and Patrick Beverly? Giving the Clips a young local face of the franchise and the Lakers would get two more attractive pieces than Lonzo. For me a Godfather deal would be Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, J. Randle ( sign and trade), Patrick Beverly (& Lou if possible ) and 2 # 1's for Kiwi and Patty. That is the most that could be extracted.

[Lostwingman]

I was in denial, and denial is not just a river in Egypt.

It's also in Sudan, good catch.

[baseline bum]

Something’s happening


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Lakers just dumping a crap player they had a team option on to open up about $800k or so of cap room.

[ECOV]

S

[baseline bum]

Any chance we try and get rid of gasol and green to free up enough money to sign cousins?

Hopefully not.

[baseline bum]

I’ve reached the acceptance stage. Spurs are in a tough spot.

I accepted this shit months ago. I tried to tell you the offers would be shit when he said he'd only go to the Lakers.

[lefty]

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[Killakobe81]

I forgot how much I disliked the Lakers, Killa, it died down after 2013..

Again it's really one sided... I don't go to Celtics forums I actually hate them and their fans... But I appreciate your hate. Means we matter again...

[RD2191]

It's also in Sudan, good catch.

:lol

[lmbebo]

When he was in HS, I think a senior but not 100%

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-sondheimer8mar08-column.html

[apalisoc_9]

If Kawhi is willing to play with Lebron, I will officially no longer cheer for him.

I've cheered for this guy for so long and if he's gonna team up with lebron willingly then he can go fuck himself.

[Kori Ellis]

So wait, how old was Kawhi when his dad died?

This guy is a hardcore leech at this point.

He was 16.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-sondheimer8mar08-column.html

[apalisoc_9]

I dont cheer for Guys who willingly give up their Top Dog Status. That shit is weak.

[rasuo214]

One report he doesn't want to play with Lebron another he's calling him to play together. Seems like the media is just throwing everything out there hoping to get something right.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't think anyone's "sources" know anything. So far today, we've heard that the Lakers offered Ingram, Kuzma and picks. Then later, that the Lakers have not at all offered Ingram. We heard that Kawhi did not want to go with LeBron to the Lakers, and then later that Kawhi reached out to LeBron to say how much he wanted to play with him. Also we heard that Boston was in serious talks with the Spurs. Then that they hadn't offered anything. Then that the Spurs were targeting Tatum. Then Philly was in the mix. Now, Chris Sheridan says the Heat could be contenders for Kawhi.

I've concluded that no one knows anything.

[Marcus Bryant]

Tomorrow LeBron opts in with the Cavs and releases another letter.

[DPG21920]

I don't think anyone's "sources" know anything. So far today, we've heard that the Lakers offered Ingram, Kuzma and picks. Then later, that the Lakers have not at all offered Ingram. We heard that Kawhi did not want to go with LeBron to the Lakers, and then later that Kawhi reached out to LeBron to say how much he wanted to play with him. Also we heard that Boston was in serious talks with the Spurs. Then that they hadn't offered anything. Then that the Spurs were targeting Tatum. Then Philly was in the mix. Now, Chris Sheridan says the Heat could be contenders for Kawhi.

I've concluded that no one knows anything.

At the end of the day Kawhi is a got damn star and hopefully teams realize this and take a swing.

[xtremesteven33]

No Tatum, no deal.

[BatManu20]

I don't think anyone's "sources" know anything. So far today, we've heard that the Lakers offered Ingram, Kuzma and picks. Then later, that the Lakers have not at all offered Ingram. We heard that Kawhi did not want to go with LeBron to the Lakers, and then later that Kawhi reached out to LeBron to say how much he wanted to play with him. Also we heard that Boston was in serious talks with the Spurs. Then that they hadn't offered anything. Then that the Spurs were targeting Tatum. Then Philly was in the mix. Now, Chris Sheridan says the Heat could be contenders for Kawhi.

I've concluded that no one knows anything.

Bingo.

The only one with any legs is the Lakers reports, because that’s obviously where he wants to be and they could hypothetically offer the best return to us. Other than that, this is all just garbage hearsay from ammature reporters.

[weebo]

I'll say this again..as much as I want him gone. The Spurs will offer the super max and he'll re-up with the team. :lol

[objective]

Kawhi is a top 3 player and every team that doesn't come in with their best offer will regret it.

He's that damn great and the Spurs will be fools to trade him.

Even if the chance to repair things is 0.001%, that gives them a better chance to win the title in the next 10 years than any trade

[Hoops Czar]

Bingo.

The only one with any legs is the Lakers reports, because that’s obviously where he wants to be and they could hypothetically offer the best return to us. Other than that, this is all just garbage hearsay from ammature reporters.

Yeah, I'm sure Kawhi doesn't even want to be traded.

[spurs10]

I don't think anyone's "sources" know anything. So far today, we've heard that the Lakers offered Ingram, Kuzma and picks. Then later, that the Lakers have not at all offered Ingram. We heard that Kawhi did not want to go with LeBron to the Lakers, and then later that Kawhi reached out to LeBron to say how much he wanted to play with him. Also we heard that Boston was in serious talks with the Spurs. Then that they hadn't offered anything. Then that the Spurs were targeting Tatum. Then Philly was in the mix. Now, Chris Sheridan says the Heat could be contenders for Kawhi.

I've concluded that no one knows anything. :bobo

[weebo]

Kawhi is a top 3 player and every team that doesn't come in with their best offer will regret it.

He's that damn great and the Spurs will be fools to trade him.

Even if the chance to repair things is 0.001%, that gives them a better chance to win the title in the next 10 years than any trade

I seriously doubt the team and Kawhi/his camp are that far apart. People just don't leave $80m on the table. Don't believe any of the reports--greed is powerful character defect.

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Sounds like this is causing potentially hurt butts in Lakerland. Prolly not going to be forgotten even if/when this thing falls apart.

[tonight...you]

Just don't give up Dejounte... Don't do it.

[spurs1990]

Kori Ellis what’s your personal take on Leonard? I mean I figure you’re agnostic since you’ve reported on the team for years but really would be interested to know whose side, if any, are you taking.

[marinoman]

So nothing has really happened in the last day or two other than the ship sailing on any chance to repair the relationship. Awesome

[dabom]

So nothing has really happened in the last day or two other than the ship sailing on any chance to repair the relationship. Awesome

Pop was asleep 4 hours ago.

[mystargtr34]

Barry McCockiner is one of the best follows on Twitter..his anti-Kobe and anti-Jordan shit is :lmao

:lol been following him for about 3 months now.. his KD and Steph slander is underrated too

[Ice009]

I'd rather not trade him at all. All these rumoured offers are total fucking garbage. I'd rather let him go for nothing at the end of a very deep playoff run.

[BatManu20]

Miami suddenly rumored to be in the mix. I doubt it, but never count Pat Riley out. Wonder what a package from their side would look like though.. probably something like:

-Dragic
-Winslow
-Adebayo
-Future 1st Round picks
-Take on Patty’s contract

Spurs get a good (albeit aging — turned 32 last month) PG in Dragic who Pop has always liked, a young developmental SF in Winslow (just turned 22), a young/athletic big in Adebayo on a cheap Rookie contract, future draft picks, rid themselves of Patty’s deal, and they don’t help the Lakers create the next superteam.


Just talking out of my ass here, but you never know. Maybe Lebron considers going back to Miami then to play with Kawhi and D-Wade, fucking over the Lakers in the process. If only..

[RGMCSE]

I'd rather not trade him at all. All these rumoured offers are total fucking garbage. I'd rather let him go for nothing at the end of a very deep playoff run.


I feel the same. As soon as the Spurs accept a weak ass offer from the lakers every motherfucker from ESPN to magic Johnson will be laughing it up and throwing a damn parade. FUCK THAT!

[Kori Ellis]

Kori Ellis what’s your personal take on Leonard? I mean I figure you’re agnostic since you’ve reported on the team for years but really would be interested to know whose side, if any, are you taking.

The situation is baffling. It's hard for me to imagine what happened between the Spurs and Kawhi that could have caused him to be "irate" and wanting to never step foot in the Spurs' locker room again. To cause such a rift, it has to be something much more than the Spurs questioning his injury, Parker's comment (which wasn't a slight to Kawhi) or Pop using the word 'group.' So maybe something happened that has not been reported.

Or, maybe it's just that Kawhi is so mentally fragile that he's been heavily manipulated by his handlers into thinking he should be irate and want out.

I always thought Kawhi was a guy who just wanted to play basketball. I never thought he'd end up being a primadonna or a whiner. And now, somehow (if you believe all media reports), he's both.

One thing about Kawhi though is that he has never demonstrated any leadership skills in San Antonio. Duncan was a leader. Kawhi is not. So maybe he does really just need to be somewhere else where he can be #2 to someone like LeBron, and just play basketball. Maybe he can't handle being the face of a franchise.

The thing that I'm really questioning today is... Stephen A Smith says Pop-Kawhi met again last night. If Kawhi is dead-set on never suiting up for the Spurs again. What was the point? Why did he meet with Pop again? Like, I said.. it's just a baffling situation. I've never seen/heard anything like it.

[BatManu20]

I'd rather not trade him at all. All these rumoured offers are total fucking garbage. I'd rather let him go for nothing at the end of a very deep playoff run.

Problem with that is the locker room would be toxic and the media storm would be never-ending (by SA’s standards). I just don’t see any way the Spurs do that at this point. I think he’s traded within the week, and the more the Lakers dick around, the more I think it’ll be to an EC team.

[Play Boban]

Miami suddenly rumored to be in the mix. I doubt it, but never count Pat Riley out. Wonder what a package from their side would look like though.. probably something like:

-Dragic
-Winslow
-Adebayo
-Future 1st Round picks
-Take on Patty’s contract

Spurs get a good (albeit aging — turned 32 last month) PG in Dragic who Pop has always liked, a young developmental SF in Winslow (just turned 22), a young/athletic big in Adebayo on a cheap Rookie contract, future draft picks, rid themselves of Patty’s deal, and they don’t help the Lakers create the next superteam.


Just talking out of my ass here, but you never know. Maybe Lebron considers going back to Miami then play with Kawhi and D-Wade, fucking over the Lakers in the process. If only..

The Spurs finally get Dragic, 10 years too late tbh. :wakeup

[Kori Ellis]

Oh and I think that if I were the Spurs, and the offers weren't getting any better than we heard today, that I would just call Kawhi's bluff and say, "OK, well you are under contract, see you in training camp."

[lmbebo]

The situation is baffling. It's hard for me to imagine what happened between the Spurs and Kawhi that could have caused him to be "irate" and wanting to never step foot in the Spurs' locker room again. To cause such a rift, it has to be something much more than the Spurs questioning his injury, Parker's comment (which wasn't a slight to Kawhi) or Pop using the word 'group.' So maybe something happened that has not been reported.

Or, maybe it's just that Kawhi is so mentally fragile that he's been heavily manipulated by his handlers into thinking he should be irate and want out.

I always thought Kawhi was a guy who just wanted to play basketball. I never thought he'd end up being a primadonna or a whiner. And now, somehow (if you believe all media reports), he's both.

One thing about Kawhi though is that he has never demonstrated any leadership skills in San Antonio. Duncan was a leader. Kawhi is not. So maybe he does really just need to be somewhere else where he can be #2 to someone like LeBron, and just play basketball. Maybe he can't handle being the face of a franchise.

The thing that I'm really questioning today is... Stephen A Smith says Pop-Kawhi met again last night. If Kawhi is dead-set on never suiting up for the Spurs again. What was the point? Why did he meet with Pop again? Like, I said.. it's just a baffling situation. I've never seen/heard anything like it.

I'm not sure how much DRob is around the team, but he kinda alluded to Kwahi learning to speak for himself and control his own destiny. Sounded like Kwahi has other people driving his "car"/career/life.

[cjw]

Miami suddenly rumored to be in the mix. I doubt it, but never count Pat Riley out. Wonder what a package from their side would look like though.. probably something like:

-Dragic
-Winslow
-Adebayo
-Future 1st Round picks
-Take on Patty’s contract

Spurs get a good (albeit aging — turned 32 last month) PG in Dragic who Pop has always liked, a young developmental SF in Winslow (just turned 22), a young/athletic big in Adebayo on a cheap Rookie contract, future draft picks, rid themselves of Patty’s deal, and they don’t help the Lakers create the next superteam.


Just talking out of my ass here, but you never know. Maybe Lebron considers going back to Miami then play with Kawhi and D-Wade, fucking over the Lakers in the process. If only..

No thank you. They already traded their 2021 pick to the Sixers so only can trade their 2019 (no consecutive picks). Winslow has shown nothing. Dragic is expensive and they already have PGs. The Lakers’ package is way better than that crap unless Bridges were included too.

[Mr. Body]

The situation is baffling. It's hard for me to imagine what happened between the Spurs and Kawhi that could have caused him to be "irate" and wanting to never step foot in the Spurs' locker room again. To cause such a rift, it has to be something much more than the Spurs questioning his injury, Parker's comment (which wasn't a slight to Kawhi) or Pop using the word 'group.' So maybe something happened that has not been reported.

Or, maybe it's just that Kawhi is so mentally fragile that he's been heavily manipulated by his handlers into thinking he should be irate and want out.

I always thought Kawhi was a guy who just wanted to play basketball. I never thought he'd end up being a primadonna or a whiner. And now, somehow (if you believe all media reports), he's both.

One thing about Kawhi though is that he has never demonstrated any leadership skills in San Antonio. Duncan was a leader. Kawhi is not. So maybe he does really just need to be somewhere else where he can be #2 to someone like LeBron, and just play basketball. Maybe he can't handle being the face of a franchise.

The thing that I'm really questioning today is... Stephen A Smith says Pop-Kawhi met again last night. If Kawhi is dead-set on never suiting up for the Spurs again. What was the point? Why did he meet with Pop again? Like, I said.. it's just a baffling situation. I've never seen/heard anything like it.

I think Kawhi's camp sniffed out that the Spurs were not going to offer the Supermax and were going to try to lowball him. It's what the Spurs do. (They make this up for their loyal players later.) So Uncle and crew try to hold Kawhi out and play hardball, but since then it's blown up in their faces. Sure, it'd be nice to play in LA or whatever, but that's not actually what Kawhi wants to do.

I still believe there's a solid chance, maybe even a significant chance, he resigns with San Antonio and this is all over.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The situation is baffling. It's hard for me to imagine what happened between the Spurs and Kawhi that could have caused him to be "irate" and wanting to never step foot in the Spurs' locker room again. To cause such a rift, it has to be something much more than the Spurs questioning his injury, Parker's comment (which wasn't a slight to Kawhi) or Pop using the word 'group.' So maybe something happened that has not been reported.

Or, maybe it's just that Kawhi is so mentally fragile that he's been heavily manipulated by his handlers into thinking he should be irate and want out.

I always thought Kawhi was a guy who just wanted to play basketball. I never thought he'd end up being a primadonna or a whiner. And now, somehow (if you believe all media reports), he's both.

One thing about Kawhi though is that he has never demonstrated any leadership skills in San Antonio. Duncan was a leader. Kawhi is not. So maybe he does really just need to be somewhere else where he can be #2 to someone like LeBron, and just play basketball. Maybe he can't handle being the face of a franchise.

The thing that I'm really questioning today is... Stephen A Smith says Pop-Kawhi met again last night. If Kawhi is dead-set on never suiting up for the Spurs again. What was the point? Why did he meet with Pop again? Like, I said.. it's just a baffling situation. I've never seen/heard anything like it.


They met last night!? I feel like this would have been way bigger news unless I missed something? Did Stephen A say this on his show today?

[Mr. Body]

They met last night!? I feel like this would have been way bigger news unless I missed something? Did Stephen A say this on his show today?

Why would you listen to what that pompous windbag bloviator has to say?

[Marcus Bryant]

Oh and I think that if I were the Spurs, and the offers weren't getting any better than we heard today, that I would just call Kawhi's bluff and say, "OK, well you are under contract, see you in training camp."

:tu

[SAGirl]

Just don't give up Dejounte... Don't do it.
I am on board with you. I wouldn't give him up either.

[Kori Ellis]

They met last night!? I feel like this would have been way bigger news unless I missed something? Did Stephen A say this on his show today?

He says they "talked" again last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TAmPrk1-Vo

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Why would you listen to what that pompous windbag bloviator has to say?

I never do, hence why I'm out of the loop :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He says they "talked" again last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TAmPrk1-Vo

Thanks Kori! Hope you're doing well by the way :)

[Mr. Body]

I never do, hence why I'm out of the loop :lol

You're better off than most basketball fans.

[Ice009]

Problem with that is the locker room would be toxic and the media storm would be never-ending (by SA’s standards). I just don’t see any way the Spurs do that at this point. I think he’s traded within the week, and the more the Lakers dick around, the more I think it’ll be to an EC team.

I honestly don't care. That kind of situation is OK by me. If someone wants to act the way Kawhi and his group has, I'd have no problem putting them in that situation. Let them self destruct if they can't or won't be professional about it.

He's under contract. End of story. Be professional and honour your contract. Turn up and play hard.

[dbestpro]

Oh and I think that if I were the Spurs, and the offers weren't getting any better than we heard today, that I would just call Kawhi's bluff and say, "OK, well you are under contract, see you in training camp."

The seems like the best move. When the season is over and KL moves on, if he moves on, the Spurs could always go after other free agents that are better than what is being offered right now.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm at the point I just want the Spurs to get rid of this cancer.

My new theory is Kawhi has messed himself up juicing. We all noticed he had bulked up when he briefly came back. Explains the personality change, mystery tendon injury, and the doctor shopping.

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Well, that did it. He's really gone push our shit in next year. 12 for 12 from 3. You heard it here first.

[spurs1990]

Oh and I think that if I were the Spurs, and the offers weren't getting any better than we heard today, that I would just call Kawhi's bluff and say, "OK, well you are under contract, see you in training camp."

:toast Outside of landing Tatum or a great Boston deal, I've resigned myself to this. Make Leonard step up one last time and answer for himself on media day.

[marinoman]

Miami suddenly rumored to be in the mix. I doubt it, but never count Pat Riley out. Wonder what a package from their side would look like though.. probably something like:

-Dragic
-Winslow
-Adebayo
-Future 1st Round picks
-Take on Patty’s contract

Spurs get a good (albeit aging — turned 32 last month) PG in Dragic who Pop has always liked, a young developmental SF in Winslow (just turned 22), a young/athletic big in Adebayo on a cheap Rookie contract, future draft picks, rid themselves of Patty’s deal, and they don’t help the Lakers create the next superteam.


Just talking out of my ass here, but you never know. Maybe Lebron considers going back to Miami then to play with Kawhi and D-Wade, fucking over the Lakers in the process. If only..
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[HarlemHeat37]

Miami has nothing to offer, Riley has done such a horrendous job since LeBron left..too much pride, should have bottomed out..

:lol Ainge almost killing Boston's future by trading it all for Justise Winslow..

[BSfromTX]

Kawhi doesn’t like playing in SA. He doesn’t like the straight laced atmosphere or “hierarchy” that Pop has in place. It’s not really a slight to either side, but is what it is... kawhi just doesn’t have the maturity or confidence to be able to articulate this to Pop. Pop also probably has not picked up on the signs that maybe Kawhi has not been comfortable.

I honestly feel like Kawhi has just turned to his uncle and has asked him to get him out so he doesn’t have to face the cameras. He just doesn’t seem to have the confidence to say what he wants except through his mouthpieces.

[Ice009]

He's under contract. Honour that contract and tell him he has to play it out if the offers suck. Make an example out of him if he wants to try and bend the Spurs over like a lot of other superstars have done to their teams in the past. The Spurs do not ever have to be the ones that cave like lots of other teams have done in NBA history when their superstar wants out.

[BatManu20]

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Yea obviously it’s not ideal... I’m just spitballing here. But if we’re forced to trade him and other teams are being stingy chodes, then this is likely an option. Just saying. Better than helping the Lakers tbh, unless they throw the farm at us, which seems highly unlikely.

[Russ]

Make Leonard step up one last time and answer for himself on media day.

What happens if Kawhi retires (at least until his contract with the Spurs is over)?

I'm sure there are rules to prevent a player from getting an advantage by doing this, but it would be interesting to know.

[objective]

Steven a Smith saying that Pop and Kawhi talked and that Kawhi said he wanted out because it wasn't fun

If that is true it sounds like Kawhi is a small, dumb kid running out of excuses on why he didn't clean his room. Keep on him long enough and he'll run out of excuses.

When that happens, there will be a breakthrough.

But you have to get through all the crap first, and need to be tough enough to take it.

[Lostwingman]

I'm at the point I just want the Spurs to get rid of this cancer.

My new theory is Kawhi has messed himself up juicing. We all noticed he had bulked up when he briefly came back. Explains the personality change, mystery tendon injury, and the doctor shopping.

IDK how legit this theory is, but it's a pretty interesting one.

[objective]

I also don't but this crap about Kawhi wanting out because he doesn't want to have to be the guy.

Luckily for him, LMA LOVES being the guy. He wants the attention.

[Vic Petro]

Oh and I think that if I were the Spurs, and the offers weren't getting any better than we heard today, that I would just call Kawhi's bluff and say, "OK, well you are under contract, see you in training camp."

[ducks]

Leonard may have never wanted to be number one spurs pushed him in finals when they won it all
Pop and rc thought after that he would be ok with it.
If you are not number one no Supermax for you.
He could stay as a number two with Lma for a couple years then
Hopefully someone else will blossom

Maybe pop was trying to find out real issue

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One would hope that the Spurs won't get cucked, but this same FO that threw millions at Gasol and Patty...as if that was the way forward.
After that, who knows what the Spurs will do?
I think those famous wheels fell off when Duncan retired, but the Spurs haven't hit rock bottom yet it seems. I've been a Spurs fan since Hector was a pup, but trading Leonard to the Lakers, that might be a bridge too far. It would take me a good long while to get past that.

Gasol is a bad contract but we are essentially out from under it after this next season. Patty is simply not a bad contract.

[rastaspur]

The spurs need to stand pat and play the long game if offers dont improve. Its the only way to help bolster their position of strength. Spurs need to play hard ball. Otherwise, they are going to get screwed. They key to striking a decent deal or settlement is posturing yourself in a position of strength. The only way to get there is to be willing to play it out and force him to play out his contract if no decent offers are made.

[MoSpur02]

Leonard may have never wanted to be number one spurs pushed him in finals when they won it all
Pop and rc thought after that he would be ok with it.
If you are not number one no Supermax for you.
He could stay as a number two with Lma for a couple years then
Hopefully someone else will blossom

Maybe pop was trying to find out real issue

Problem with that is that Aldridge isn't a leader neither.

[cd021]

Miami suddenly rumored to be in the mix. I doubt it, but never count Pat Riley out. Wonder what a package from their side would look like though.. probably something like:

-Dragic
-Winslow
-Adebayo
-Future 1st Round picks
-Take on Patty’s contract

Spurs get a good (albeit aging — turned 32 last month) PG in Dragic who Pop has always liked, a young developmental SF in Winslow (just turned 22), a young/athletic big in Adebayo on a cheap Rookie contract, future draft picks, rid themselves of Patty’s deal, and they don’t help the Lakers create the next superteam.


Just talking out of my ass here, but you never know. Maybe Lebron considers going back to Miami then to play with Kawhi and D-Wade, fucking over the Lakers in the process. If only..


What picks do they have? They can't move their 2019 pick because of the Stepien rule meaning that it would have to be the 2020 pick and 2023

Bam is good, don't care about Winslow and am meh on taking back Dragic at this point.

[RD2191]

I also don't but this crap about Kawhi wanting out because he doesn't want to have to be the guy.

Luckily for him, LMA LOVES being the guy. He wants the attention.

Until the 4th qtr in a playoff game..

[ducks]

Sign Parker for vet min make him the leader he ran the coaches timeout before

[spurs1990]

What happens if Kawhi retires (at least until his contract with the Spurs is over)?

I'm sure there are rules to prevent a player from getting an advantage by doing this, but it would be interesting to know.

Leonard would forfeit his $20 million salary at least for 18-19 and be illegible to sign with another team for a year. The Spurs would lose out in that the his salary would still count against the cap (assuming there would be any player(s) they want to sign in FA.)

This info is from the venerable Laker fan capologist Larry Coon's cap FAQ (first posted online in Usenet groups circa late 90s).
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q61

With the way things are going it isn't even a far fetched scenario at this point.

[ducks]

Leonard would lose all endorsements also

[TheDoctor]

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[cd021]

Gasol is a bad contract but we are essentially out from under it after this next season. Patty is simply not a bad contract.

Patty's deal, when you look at it in terms of percentage of the cap, it's fine. It's something like 11.5% of the cap for each of the remaining years of his deal. Gasol's is pretty much a year year deal and then can be stretched and waived.

[MoSpur02]

Trade Aldridge back to Portland for Jusuf Nurkic

[Hoops Czar]

Leonard would lose all endorsements also
Nooooooo... Not thos unfunny, cringeworthy HEB commercial endorsements. How will Kawhi survive?

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No, I think most fans want Kawhi to stay. And nobody will miss Pop and his personal secretary RC Buford when they're gone, at least I won't. They're actually part of the problem, not the answer to a solution.

Lol. You don't know shit if you think PATFO won't be missed.

[Spurs9]

Patty's deal, when you look at it in terms of percentage of the cap, it's fine. It's something like 11.5% of the cap for each of the remaining years of his deal. Gasol's is pretty much a year year deal and then can be stretched and waived.

At least we aren't paying Steven Adams 27mil

[Hoops Czar]

Lol. You don't know shit if you think PATFO won't be missed.
You're still stuck in 2005.

[K...]

You're still stuck in 2005.

The worst years of pafto were 2009-2012. They've been good to legendary since that span. The things that fucked them were outside their contol, durant, cp3, the salary cap swings, Leonard being a huge dyke

[RD2191]

That would be an awful trade. Nurkic cannot be the centerpiece of an offense.

Yeah, but you get rid of LMA so that's a win already.

[rasuo214]

Before last season started there were rumors that Kawhi wasn't happy with the Spurs off-season moves + the reports of not wanting to offer the supermax (I remember seeing it even before the season started) and finally the issues with his injury and the reluctance to allow him to get a personal 2nd opinion. Fast forward to now and the reports have been that Kawhi still respects Pop but has issues with the FO. Pop is only going to be around a few more seasons so he can't promise to be around another 6 years.

[FlAVaK]

the irony

Well played sir :bobo

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I've reached the fuck the Lakers and their scrubs stage.

Welcome aboard.

[024]

Ingram second year stats: 16.1ppg, 5.3reb, 3.9ast. 47% and 39% from 3.
Leonard second year stats: 11.9ppg, 6.0reb, 1.6ast, 49% and 37% from 3.

Ingram is already an established defender and I see him as one of the better wing defenders in the league shortly. He will never be Leonard good on defense, as he is probably the best ever. But to say he isn't going to develope into a good player is naive.

Kuzma ceiling is a 6 man, scoring combo forward, taking backup forward off the dribble. Spark plug type of thing.

As for Lonzo, I think he has future potential. Regardless, Spurs could flip him for something they prefer.

The question to ask is if the Spurs think whoever they are getting in the trade for Leonard will make a 9 man rotation in the playoffs, and will any of them become an allstar.
Ingram's shot is slow and low. He's supposedly working on it but it's still kind of bad. Maybe Chip can accelerate that progress but no guarantees. Not to mention his 65% average free throw rate. Not exactly good indicators of all-star potential.

Why couldn't the Lakers have drafted better? Missed out on Brown and Tatum by one pick b2b years. Kuzma is okay but don't think him or Ingram are good centerpieces for a top 5 player and 2x DPOY. Spurs don't have a lot of leverage but if they can squeeze out Brown + King's pick + filler, I would be way happier with that. If the Spurs can get Tatum, it'll be a miracle.

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I think it'll end up being a Lakers trade due to outside interference..I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I generally mock them, but I'm buying it here:lol


Personally, my thoughts on the matter change every day, but right now I'd rather ruin the Lakers plans and get a shittier deal in return:lol I hope the Spurs hold out until LeBron and George sign there, at least..there's no alternative to Kawhi for them, they can take a broken Cousins..

This is precisely how I feel about this whole gotdamn mess. Thanks Kawhi, you fucktard.

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I don't think anyone's "sources" know anything. So far today, we've heard that the Lakers offered Ingram, Kuzma and picks. Then later, that the Lakers have not at all offered Ingram. We heard that Kawhi did not want to go with LeBron to the Lakers, and then later that Kawhi reached out to LeBron to say how much he wanted to play with him. Also we heard that Boston was in serious talks with the Spurs. Then that they hadn't offered anything. Then that the Spurs were targeting Tatum. Then Philly was in the mix. Now, Chris Sheridan says the Heat could be contenders for Kawhi.

I've concluded that no one knows anything.

Well, we know Barry McCockiner is spot on about Bron being thicc in Kawhi's eyes, amirite?

[Uriel]

The situation is baffling. It's hard for me to imagine what happened between the Spurs and Kawhi that could have caused him to be "irate" and wanting to never step foot in the Spurs' locker room again. To cause such a rift, it has to be something much more than the Spurs questioning his injury, Parker's comment (which wasn't a slight to Kawhi) or Pop using the word 'group.' So maybe something happened that has not been reported.

Or, maybe it's just that Kawhi is so mentally fragile that he's been heavily manipulated by his handlers into thinking he should be irate and want out.

I always thought Kawhi was a guy who just wanted to play basketball. I never thought he'd end up being a primadonna or a whiner. And now, somehow (if you believe all media reports), he's both.

One thing about Kawhi though is that he has never demonstrated any leadership skills in San Antonio. Duncan was a leader. Kawhi is not. So maybe he does really just need to be somewhere else where he can be #2 to someone like LeBron, and just play basketball. Maybe he can't handle being the face of a franchise.

The thing that I'm really questioning today is... Stephen A Smith says Pop-Kawhi met again last night. If Kawhi is dead-set on never suiting up for the Spurs again. What was the point? Why did he meet with Pop again? Like, I said.. it's just a baffling situation. I've never seen/heard anything like it.
It started off with the Spurs not offering the supermax and his group leaking that he wanted out as a power move to extract that concession. Then things blew up in the media and the whole situation got out of control.

[Keepin' it real]

He's probably talking about Fornite

So the next two weeks will be crazy?

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Kawhi is a top 3 player and every team that doesn't come in with their best offer will regret it.

He's that damn great and the Spurs will be fools to trade him.

Even if the chance to repair things is 0.001%, that gives them a better chance to win the title in the next 10 years than any trade

I think you might be right. But he burned his bridge as far as I'm concerned. Making Pop chase him to San Diego after losing his wife but a month and a half earlier AFTER the shit he pulled this season AND then add in the trashing he's doing to the Spurs as a franchise with all his BS. He can GTFOH as far as I am concerned.

[objective]

It started off with the Spurs not offering the supermax and his group leaking that he wanted out as a power move to extract that concession. Then things blew up in the media and the whole situation got out of control.

The mistake the Spurs made in their talks and leaks to the media was believing they were dealing with rational actors.

But Kawhi and his sphere are a failed state.

Completely irrational, unpredictable, and heavily influenced/under the control of outside hostile aggressors.

[daslicer]

The mistake the Spurs made in their talks and leaks to the media was believing they were dealing with rational actors.

But Kawhi and his sphere are a failed state.

Completely irrational, unpredictable, and heavily influenced/under the control of outside hostile aggressors.

Agreed they got cucked by Kawhi's uncle. Spurs brought a knife to a gun fight when dealing with Uncle Dennis.

[cd021]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-76ers-putting-together-package-involving-covington-saric-first-rounder/

Almost certainly posted but i'm not about to skim through the last 20 fucking pages to direct quote someone.

Covington, Saric, Miami 2021 first-rounder, Parsekniks and Justin Anderson

for

Kawhi

might be the most realistic offer from Philly to the Spurs.

[cd021]

Trade Aldridge back to Portland for Jusuf Nurkic
Nurkic is a bit of a diva, probably more than Aldridge and not nearly as good.

[objective]

I think you might be right. But he burned his bridge as far as I'm concerned. Making Pop chase him to San Diego after losing his wife but a month and a half earlier AFTER the shit he pulled this season AND then add in the trashing he's doing to the Spurs as a franchise with all his BS. He can GTFOH as far as I am concerned.

I'm happy if he stays a Spur

I'm happy if he gets told to go to hell and stay home all year.

But if they fold like cowards and deal him for crap, then screw the Spurs

[MannyIsGod]

Any Philly trade without Fultz is just ridiculous, IMO. Any Lakers Trade without Ingram, Kuzma, and whatever they flip Ball for is ridiculous. An Boston offer without Tatum is ridiculous.

At this point, the Spurs probably ARE better off holding on to him till the deadline to see if any progress can be made if those offers aren't even at that level. I'm not a fan of letting him walk for nothing by any means, but I also don't think any offer not up to at least THOSE levels is worth doing it now.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm happy if he stays a Spur

I'm happy if he gets told to go to hell and stay home all year.

But if they fold like cowards and deal him for crap, then screw the Spurs

Everytime I see a Spurs fan post shit like "screw the Spurs" because they might make a bad trade I am reminded of how much I think this fan base is so fucking spoiled. Are none of you fans of another franchise who has done stupid shit at times? Do you really just give up on those teams at that junction?

[daslicer]

Any Philly trade without Fultz is just ridiculous, IMO. Any Lakers Trade without Ingram, Kuzma, and whatever they flip Ball for is ridiculous. An Boston offer without Tatum is ridiculous.

At this point, the Spurs probably ARE better off holding on to him till the deadline to see if any progress can be made if those offers aren't even at that level. I'm not a fan of letting him walk for nothing by any means, but I also don't think any offer not up to at least THOSE levels is worth doing it now.

I believe if Kawhi can play 10-20 games at a high level to start off the season then you will get a lot of better offers especially from Boston and other teams.

[Down Under]

He'll sign the supermax. It's only fitting Dennis would end it this way.

[daslicer]

Everytime I see a Spurs fan post shit like "screw the Spurs" because they might make a bad trade I am reminded of how much I think this fan base is so fucking spoiled. Are none of you fans of another franchise who has done stupid shit at times? Do you really just give up on those teams at that junction?

Sorry dude getting cucked by the Lakers would be too painful for me to take. I have never respected organizations like the Grizzlies,Magic, and even the Bucks who have handed their superstars to the Lakers. Granted the Bucks were way before my time with the Kareem trade but looking at it historically what a rip off. I'm all for the Spurs trading Kawhi just not to the Lakers.

I also root for the Hornets since they are my home team. They have done a lot of stupid ass moves for years but even MJ would never allow a superstar to shit on them the way Kawhi has done the Spurs.

[BackHome]

Not going to happen

[Spurs da champs]

To those saying wait till the deadline, do yall think he'll even play again till then? Apparently he's "adamant" on leaving Spur's locker-room, he's a cancer & a distraction to the rest of team, it's not fair to the others barring an about face by Kiwi. That might ultimately pressure Spurs to deal him sooner rather then later...just gotta hope Ainge takes this seriously & or Lakers turn Lonzo into a potential lottery pick or Josh Jackson.

[objective]

Everytime I see a Spurs fan post shit like "screw the Spurs" because they might make a bad trade I am reminded of how much I think this fan base is so fucking spoiled. Are none of you fans of another franchise who has done stupid shit at times? Do you really just give up on those teams at that junction?

No, I don't follow other franchises in a serious way

They don't matter

The Spurs do

The Spurs don't have a big market. They don't have beaches. They don't have a billionaire owner. They don't have celebrities. They don't have a hip city. They don't have nightlife. They don't have a hot industry.

All they have is their word and their balls.

Once they break 'em, they have nothing.

And breaking them for the Lakers and a player who destroyed the franchise unprovoked, for no reason when he could have just minded his own business, opted out in 2019 and left ... Who went out of his way to screw them over ...

Then they won't be worth the trouble.

And by balls I mean self respect; a spine

[dbestpro]

To those saying wait till the deadline, do yall think he'll even play again till then? Apparently he's "adamant" on leaving Spur's locker-room, he's a cancer & a distraction to the rest of team, it's not fair to the others barring an about face by Kiwi. That might ultimately pressure Spurs to deal him sooner rather then later...just gotta hope Ainge takes this seriously & or Lakers turn Lonzo into a potential lottery pick or Josh Jackson.

If KL sits for another year while under contract he risks in being forced to sit out for an additional year with no money as it could be assumed as a retirement. There are no players offered who are better than what they could get in free agency next year. This gives you time to heal the wounds. This is what you do if he indeed is a top 3 player.

[MannyIsGod]

No, I don't follow other franchises in a serious way

They don't matter

The Spurs do

The Spurs don't have a big market. They don't have beaches. They don't have a billionaire owner. They don't have celebrities. They don't have a hip city. They don't have nightlife. They don't have a hot industry.

All they have is their word and their balls.

Once they break 'em, they have nothing.

And breaking them for the Lakers and a player who destroyed the franchise unprovoked, for no reason when he could have just minded his own business, opted out in 2019 and left ... Who went out of his way to screw them over ...

Then they won't be worth the trouble.

lol. Ok.

[marinoman]

He'll sign the supermax. It's only fitting Dennis would end it this way.
Everyone needs an optimist like this in their life.

I think we’re fucked

[Mugen]

No, I don't follow other franchises in a serious way

They don't matter

The Spurs do

The Spurs don't have a big market. They don't have beaches. They don't have a billionaire owner. They don't have celebrities. They don't have a hip city. They don't have nightlife. They don't have a hot industry.

All they have is their word and their balls.

Once they break 'em, they have nothing.

And breaking them for the Lakers and a player who destroyed the franchise unprovoked, for no reason when he could have just minded his own business, opted out in 2019 and left ... Who went out of his way to screw them over ...

Then they won't be worth the trouble.

And by balls I mean self respect; a spine

:toast

[Mugen]

At least when my Raiders fuck up, it's because they're actually dumb as shit.

[TekXX]

I'm not an expert on NBA rules, can Kawhi simply refuse to play and still get payed?

[Hoops Czar]

No, I don't follow other franchises in a serious way

They don't matter

The Spurs do

The Spurs don't have a big market. They don't have beaches. They don't have a billionaire owner. They don't have celebrities. They don't have a hip city. They don't have nightlife. They don't have a hot industry.

All they have is their word and their balls.

Once they break 'em, they have nothing.

And breaking them for the Lakers and a player who destroyed the franchise unprovoked, for no reason when he could have just minded his own business, opted out in 2019 and left ... Who went out of his way to screw them over ...

Then they won't be worth the trouble.

And by balls I mean self respect; a spine

They have Michelle Beadle. She's kind of a celebrity.

[daslicer]

No, I don't follow other franchises in a serious way

They don't matter

The Spurs do

The Spurs don't have a big market. They don't have beaches. They don't have a billionaire owner. They don't have celebrities. They don't have a hip city. They don't have nightlife. They don't have a hot industry.

All they have is their word and their balls.

Once they break 'em, they have nothing.

And breaking them for the Lakers and a player who destroyed the franchise unprovoked, for no reason when he could have just minded his own business, opted out in 2019 and left ... Who went out of his way to screw them over ...

Then they won't be worth the trouble.

And by balls I mean self respect; a spine

Agreed for me it's all about pride and respect. I can't root for a team that gets cucked.

[objective]

lol. Ok.

Besides, what's so spoiled about wanting to sit Kawhi and embracing the hard rebuild instead of convincing ourselves that the Spurs can still contend with average replacements?

[Clipper Nation]

Everytime I see a Spurs fan post shit like "screw the Spurs" because they might make a bad trade I am reminded of how much I think this fan base is so fucking spoiled. Are none of you fans of another franchise who has done stupid shit at times? Do you really just give up on those teams at that junction?

The Clippers have done a lot of stupid shit throughout their history, but one thing they've never done is gift the Lakers a superteam like a bunch of cucks. That would be the ultimate betrayal of the fanbase. I can totally understand Spur fans being angry at their team over that.

[RGMCSE]

Fuck anybody who just expects spurs fans to be ok with this. Let him sit and sulk for a year. I don’t give a fuck.

[Hoops Czar]

The Clippers have done a lot of stupid shit throughout their history, but one thing they've never done is gift the Lakers a superteam like a bunch of cucks. That would be the ultimate betrayal of the fanbase. I can totally understand Spur fans being angry at their team over that.
Clippers have never had the Players to grant the Lakers anything. Have you forgotten how awful they were prior to Griffin's arrival? Clipperland use to be the last place on earth you'd look for NBA talent.

[TekXX]

The Clippers have done a lot of stupid shit throughout their history, but one thing they've never done is gift the Lakers a superteam like a bunch of cucks. That would be the ultimate betrayal of the fanbase. I can totally understand Spur fans being angry at their team over that.

I'm with you but the Spurs realize Lakers are getting Kawaii regardless so should we get something for him now?

[Mugen]

Spurs trading Kawhi to the Lakers after all the shit he pulled this last season is the definition of cucked. Maybe they convince enough of the dumb fans that the Lakers trash is worth salvaging in a trade.

They should probably sign him to a Supermax before trading him to put an extra shine on Dennis' balls.

What a fucking embarrassment if Pop/RC end up caving like they'll probably do.

[MannyIsGod]

Besides, what's so spoiled about wanting to sit Kawhi and embracing the hard rebuild instead of convincing ourselves that the Spurs can still contend with average replacements?

Noting spoiled about that. The spoiled part comes in when the franchise makes a bad trade and you bail because you're somehow a fan of them "having balls". I mean, tell yourself whatever you need to, but if you're a fan of a franchise "having balls" I just find that laughable. That's not even spoiled, that's just hilarious. But to each their own.

[MannyIsGod]

I will say that its easy to just say that the Spurs should just mail it in and rebuild when you're not the one who's job depends on keeping people in the seats. This same spoiled ass fan base that is threatening to quit on the team if they make a bad trade because their star player put them in an unwinnable situation is the same that's not going to sow up when they are going 20-62 for a few years in a row. The Spurs aren't in Philly and they're not going to operate like they are.

[marinoman]

Since the spurs don’t wanna rebuild, I don’t either, you get at least 1 established good player. The best ive heard so far is Irving and some late pick

[DPG21920]

I won’t believe a Kawhi to Lakers trade until I see a Lonzo trade announcement. If that happens, I will believe LA is serious about closing the deal with SA.

Everyone has been touting some PHX trade by tomorrow, so we will see

[Russ]

Leonard would forfeit his $20 million salary at least for 18-19 and be illegible to sign with another team for a year. The Spurs would lose out in that the his salary would still count against the cap (assuming there would be any player(s) they want to sign in FA.)

This info is from the venerable Laker fan capologist Larry Coon's cap FAQ (first posted online in Usenet groups circa late 90s).
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q61

With the way things are going it isn't even a far fetched scenario at this point.

Thanks. The link is quite informative (and the rules are complex).

I think we might be headed for a Kawhi "retirement" unless a trade happens.

[daslicer]

The Clippers have done a lot of stupid shit throughout their history, but one thing they've never done is gift the Lakers a superteam like a bunch of cucks. That would be the ultimate betrayal of the fanbase. I can totally understand Spur fans being angry at their team over that.

That is my biggest problem. Whats worse is that if you allow the Lakers to bend you over now they will do it again in the future if the Spurs are ever fortunate enough to have a top 5 player. Spurs are setting themselves up to be the Lakers farm system if they go through with this trade.

[raybies]

I will say that its easy to just say that the Spurs should just mail it in and rebuild when you're not the one who's job depends on keeping people in the seats. This same spoiled ass fan base that is threatening to quit on the team if they make a bad trade because their star player put them in an unwinnable situation is the same that's not going to sow up when they are going 20-62 for a few years in a row. The Spurs aren't in Philly and they're not going to operate like they are.
Been knowing this for awhile, that’s why I take this place in doses. A lot of these posters call players for being cancers and are cancerous as posters... it’s funny to me now. This drama is what a lot have wanted... always complaining etc. More like viruses than diseases tbh. The yeast of Spurstalk... some of the worst scum of fandom. I’m ready for some humbling tho. Love my team whoever’s on it.

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Saric+Covington+Fultz+Miami's 2021 pick