OFFICIAL Spurs rebuilding mode discussion

[SuperCam]

1. Trade Kiwi for best package of young stars + picks
2. Trade LMA for lottery pick if possible, and unload at least one terrible Fatty/Gosol contract if you can in deal
3. Using extra capspace to sign Parker to one last loyalty deal since Spur won't be competing anyways

[spurraider21]

we had a good run tbh

the spurs will be very mediocre for a long time. we dont have a franchise player nor is there a good way to acquire one without completing sucking for several years

[From Downtown]

Get Luka

[K...]

LMA is a franchise player, just not a top 5 guy and that's the standard we expect. I assume LMA and the Spurs Mutually agree to go or stay.

[Dex]

LMA will stay if the Spurs can get some good pieces around him. It’s enough to semi-contend, and he gets to be “the guy” and get his touches and accolades.

[apalisoc_9]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Z36diZTBOwJLG/giphy.webp

[Mr. Body]

It's going to take forever to field a good team again. Look at Utah. They couldn't even keep Gordon Hayward.

But... get picks, young players. Lay low. This era is borked by Durant, anyway. Maybe something in the future will happen, but just cast out for now.

[SuperCam]

LMA will stay if the Spurs can get some good pieces around him. It’s enough to semi-contend, and he gets to be “the guy” and get his touches and accolades.

only reasons this happens is to keep Poop appeased by not forcing him to coach a rebuilding bottom-dweller for his remaining two seasons. Best move is to trade him now when he still has value, which he won't in two years. if PATFO retains him just to 1st round exit the next two seasons for that reason, which would set the rebuild back an additional 3-4 seasons, they should be forced to retire this offseason

[RD2191]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Z36diZTBOwJLG/giphy.webp

:lmao

[jeebus]

http://i.imgur.com/hnbaYv1.gif

[phxspurfan]

pics, youngins and expirings. #MakeATTCheapAgain

[phxspurfan]

LMA will stay if the Spurs can get some good pieces around him. It’s enough to semi-contend, and he gets to be “the guy” and get his touches and accolades.

This. We can be a good team if we get some shooters and PnR players. Keep green and Kyle now if we can. Also try and keep Rudy

[TimDunkem]

You just know they'll hang on to Fatty, Gasol, and Porker anyway.

[K...]

It's going to take forever to field a good team again. Look at Utah. They couldn't even keep Gordon Hayward.

But... get picks, young players. Lay low. This era is borked by Durant, anyway. Maybe something in the future will happen, but just cast out for now.

Hayward was trash. The hard part of a small market team is learning when to go all in on a star, or let them bail. It appears Utah got the right call, but it's a hard decision to make

[spurraider21]

the lakers package is awful value. id rather talk to philly or boston.

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs HAVE to trade LA for the highest pick possible. They'll be stuck in a spot no team wants to be at if they don't. End of the lottery or nearly outside of it.

[SuperCam]

Spurs HAVE to trade LA for the highest pick possible. They'll be stuck in a spot no team wants to be at if they don't. End of the lottery or nearly outside of it.

Poop won't let them. He doesn't want two bottom feeder teams to cap off his coaching career. I am more than sure this franchise will screw over and delay the rebuild by half a decade just to appease him for two more mediocre seasons :lol

[jyra]

Count me in on the Doncic bandwagon. I'm not sure if he is good enough to be a franchise player but Manu should be the perfect mentor for him.

[Spurs9]

Suns package could be appealing for anything with the pick + Booker. Philly could be a good spot, Simmons package for Kawhi. Frees up Simmons who is more ball dominate, add Lebron, have Embiid, Kawhi, Lebron, Fultz. Draft is already on Thursday so this will probably go down in the next week.

[HarlemHeat37]

Suns package could be appealing for anything with the pick + Booker. Philly could be a good spot, Simmons package for Kawhi. Frees up Simmons who is more ball dominate, add Lebron, have Embiid, Kawhi, Lebron, Fultz. Draft is already on Thursday so this will probably go down in the next week.

I think you're being way too optimistic, my guy:lol

The Spurs will be lucky to get a good package, at this point, definitely not expecting a great one..

[cd98]

If Kawhi is going, Spurs should be selling everyone over 25.

[TheGreatYacht]

Poop won't let them. He doesn't want two bottom feeder teams to cap off his coaching career. I am more than sure this franchise will screw over and delay the rebuild by half a decade just to appease him for two more mediocre seasons :lol
I don't think you've ever had a bad post bro tbh

[Spurs9]

I think you're being way too optimistic, my guy:lol

The Spurs will be lucky to get a good package, at this point, definitely not expecting a great one..

Plenty of teams who would give up alot for him tbh, everyone is chasing the Warriors. Its at least good they know this now a week before the draft if they get picks in return.

[r0drig0lac]

If Kawhi is going, Spurs should be selling everyone over 25.

[-21-]

Luka Doncic
Michael Porter Jr.
Marvin Bagley III
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Brandon Ingram

We'll probably end up with one of these guys. Obviously not one of them is on Kawhi's level, but who do you take?

[BillMc]

LMA will stay if the Spurs can get some good pieces around him. It’s enough to semi-contend, and he gets to be “the guy” and get his touches and accolades.

Dex is right. Not sure if we should keep him or not, but LMA will probably be happy if Spurs are decent and his team.

[Spurs9]

Luka Doncic
Michael Porter Jr.
Marvin Bagley III
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Brandon Ingram

We'll probably end up with one of these guys. Obviously not one of them is on Kawhi's level, but who do you take?

Thats not a bad list to build around of prospects, add on Ayton on to that list. We basically played without Kawhi this last whole season, so the Spurs won't be in that bad of a spot adding in talent. Also they have the 18th pick in a deep draft.

[CGD]

If Sacto is in play as has been suggested, that’s my #1 focus

[HarlemHeat37]

Sacramento having Vivek as its owner is definitely a huge plus for the Spurs:lol

[spurraider21]

Sacramento having Vivek as its owner is definitely a huge plus for the Spurs:lol
STAUSKAS?!?

[Mal]

No need to trade LMA, package for Kawhi is gonna be massive. But do not use any cap space on some farts like Kyle Anderson

[Killakobe81]

I think you're being way too optimistic, my guy:lol

The Spurs will be lucky to get a good package, at this point, definitely not expecting a great one..

Tatum plus Memphis or Sacto pick is a great start.

[Spurs9]

No need to trade LMA, package for Kawhi is gonna be massive. But do not use any cap space on some farts like Kyle Anderson
LMA balled out this season, I wouldn't trade him personally.

[Spurs9]

Sacramento having Vivek as its owner is definitely a huge plus for the Spurs:lol

Hes definitely the type of owner who would be convinced he could persuade Kawhi to resign, 1 year deal isn't a issue with him probably :lol

[Mal]

LMA balled out this season, I wouldn't trade him personally.

And apparently Spurs don't need rebuild, just retooling. This team won 47 games without Kawhi, with massive haul Spurs are gonna get for him...

[BackHome]

Thats not a bad list to build around of prospects, add on Ayton on to that list. We basically played without Kawhi this last whole season, so the Spurs won't be in that bad of a spot adding in talent. Also they have the 18th pick in a deep draft.

Fuck this rebuild shit we do went into playoffs with g league players Forbes, Joffrey, Anderson, and Paul - GET RID OF EM ( 4 scrubs gone)

We do Philly trade and get Fultz, Darco, 10th pick "Mikal Bridges, Walker or Porter" and get rights to Jonah Bolden

With our 18 pick we get one of the following "Chandler Hutchinson, Troy Brown, Jacob Evans, or Dzanana Musa".

Sign and bring over Hanga, and Nikola,

Decide what to do with Tony I think he is done - Manu I want him to play but limited minutes.

This would be a very good team for several years.

[cjw]

LMA is a franchise player, just not a top 5 guy and that's the standard we expect. I assume LMA and the Spurs Mutually agree to go or stay.

LMA did right by the Spurs after the drama of last summer and at the very least deserves some say in the matter. If he wants to stay, then he can stay. If he wants to leave, then you make sure to put him into a reasonably good situation but don’t bend over backwards if the offers aren’t there. Kind of like the Eagles are doing with Nick Foles.

Funny that at this rate we might see another 12 retired before we see a 2 retired. At least a 2 at AT&T is more likely than a 35 in OKC

[Clipper Nation]

Luka Doncic
Michael Porter Jr.
Marvin Bagley III
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Brandon Ingram

We'll probably end up with one of these guys. Obviously not one of them is on Kawhi's level, but who do you take?
Reality:

Austin Rivers
Wes Johnson
Danilo Gallinari

:downspin:

[K...]

Reality:

Austin Rivers
Wes Johnson
Danilo Gallinari

:downspin:

We took kerr's son might as well take doc's

[dbestpro]

I would not trade Leonard. I would suspend him without pay, sue for those games he missed while healthy, and see who has any money left for him next year. It sure won't be the Lakers, or Celtics.

[John B]

Spurs can’t afford or survive a rebuild. We would be puking Sacramento with fat women. F%ck that! Players would just wait for the best opportunity and jump ship. Spurs need to continue to be competitive which means getting the most of Kawhi if traded. But anything than Lakers is just a loaner. I hate to lose him to the Fakers. F%ck f%ck f%ck :bang

[RD2191]

Spurs can’t afford or survive a rebuild. We would be puking Sacramento with fat women. F%ck that! Players would just wait for the best opportunity and jump ship. Spurs need to continue to be competitive which means getting the most of Kawhi if traded. But anything than Lakers is just a loaner. I hate to lose him to the Fakers. F%ck f%ck f%ck :bang

:lmao

[ajh18]

Sac: Koufas, Temple, Heild, #2 (Doncic) for Kawhi works to provide cap relief and a nice complimentary 3-guard lineup (shooter, handler, slasher) with Murray. Put that group around LMA and Gay with a veteran group of subs (Manu, Gasol, TP, Anderson, Mills, 18th pick) and we can stay relevant and develop the young guys.

Philly: Saric, Fultz, +10 similarly gives us 2-3 guys who could start and develop next to Murray for 5 years. Fultz is still a bit unknown and Saric has proven he’s effective as a modern PF.

Cha: Kemba +11 is more win-now but interesting. Kemba is young and would compliment LMA.

Boston: Kyrie or Tatum + Sac pick in 2019. No interest in Brown or Rozier.

Phx: #1 + fillers. Doubt Phoenix would do this but would love Ayton.

LA (either)? Those offers suck.

[MaNu4Tres]

Kawhi to Boston for Jaylen Brown, 27th, Kings 1st in 19, Morris, Yabusele.

Or Kawhi to LA for Ingram, Kuzma, 25th, Hart.

Then turn around and trade LA to Washington for Otto Porter and their 15th pick.

Milutinov, Otto Porter, Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Murray, 15th pick, 18th pick, 27th pick, Kings 19' 1st is a fantastic start at a rebuild..

Or Milutinov, Otto, Kuzma, Ingram, Derrick White, DeJounte, 15th, 18th, 25th, Josh Hart., Kings 1st in 19.

[YGWHI]

Doncic is playing Spanish League Finals this week, I just watched a vid...Very impressive. Only 19 years old? He seems a beast.

If the Spurs can trade for Suns #1 or Kings #2...I would draft him without a doubt.

[Ditty]

WE DON'T REBUILD. WE RELOAD! :flag:

[smaka]

Doncic is playing Spanish League Finals this week, I just watched a vid...Very impressive. Only 19 years old? He seems a beast.

If the Spurs can trade for Suns #1 or Kings #2...I would draft him without a doubt.
And he is even not playing in the best shape right now. It's been a long long season (since August) so the fatigue factor must be kicking in. It's crazy how he posts something like 12+4+4 in the finals and it's considered as very average by us who watched him whole season and know that he is capable of much more. I'm all in on Spurs trading for #2 pick and taking Luka.

[Jules_Winnfield]

Sacramento having Vivek as its owner is definitely a huge plus for the Spurs:lol

https://s33.postimg.cc/wo4jtqj5r/qwdwqf.jpg

[CGD]

Sacramento having Vivek as its owner is definitely a huge plus for the Spurs:lol

And Divac as GM.

I’m seeing if they do #2, Fox, Bogdonavic for Leonard.

[Jules_Winnfield]

And Divac as GM.

I’m seeing if they do #2, Fox, Bogdonavic for Leonard.

if Divac/Vivek trade #2 pick, Fox and Bogdanovic for Leonard and then lose him for nothing in 2019 :lol

then they'd both be executed on the spot. no jury, no trial...

[Rito3d30]

if Divac/Vivek trade #2 pick, Fox and Bogdanovic for Leonard and then lose him for nothing in 2019 :lol

then they'd both be executed on the spot. no jury, no trial...

another legendary fuckup:lol

[BillMc]

We took kerr's son might as well take doc's
:lol

[Ice009]

another legendary fuckup:lol

Who's the clown in Sacramento that thought Buddy Hield is the next Steph Curry? Didn't one of those clowns demand him in the trade for Cousins thinking he'd be a star? I still think that trade was retarded.

I think Pop might like Divac though, so Pop very well might be willing to deal with him if the Kings are willing to give up what the Spurs want for a possible rental.

[BillMc]

#2 and Fox would be a good starting point.

[bigfan]

I bet if LMA goes Pop will retire. The only reason he is staying is because he promised he would stick around if LMA signed. I doubt he transitions to just the GM job, when he goes, he walks out the door for good. Nobody knows shit about KL til it happens, the guy may stay and that changes everything. If Pop goes, bring back Coach Bud and let him bring in his own assistants.

[r0drig0lac]

I bet if LMA goes Pop will retire. The only reason he is staying is because he promised he would stick around if LMA signed. I doubt he transitions to just the GM job, when he goes, he walks out the door for good. Nobody knows shit about KL til it happens, the guy may stay and that changes everything. If Pop goes, bring back Coach Bud and let him bring in his own assistants.

sources?

[BSfromTX]

I would not trade Leonard. I would suspend him without pay, sue for those games he missed while healthy, and see who has any money left for him next year. It sure won't be the Lakers, or Celtics.

May fAvorite plan.

[jbspurs]

Kings 1st pick for Kawhi is really good. Spurs can draft Doncic or Bagley. then sign a star free agent with the money they have available.

[SpursBills]

LMA for Chandler parsons + #4 pick + future 1st rounder if you really want to blow it up

[SpursDynasty85]

We were the #3 seed before Gay and Aldridge missed time. We have cap space to go after an impact player this offseason. We get young assets back like Fultz, Covington or Brown and Rozier and an extra pick that puts Spurs ahead of the curve on 80% of the NBA teams easily.

[offset formation]

We were the #3 seed before Gay and Aldridge missed time. We have cap space to go after an impact player this offseason. We get young assets back like Fultz, Covington or Brown and Rozier and an extra pick that puts Spurs ahead of the curve on 80% of the NBA teams easily.

And potentially land our next franchise player if we do the #2 swap. I'd take Bogdanovic over Fox along with the pick.

We have a young PG that is actually defensive minded and that will learn to score.

[CGD]

I do get the one year rental concern for trading for Kawhi, but i also think there are teams like Sacto and Memphis that have all sorts of other non-basketball considerations that might think about it. It’s not ideal, but they’d conserve his bird rights in a trade, and, as I understand it, would be able to offer higher per year raises than a team that goes after him on free agency.

I’m not saying that will be enough, of course, but you add that to the sketchy draft track record of some of these top draft order teams, and you have an interesting conditions for a possible draft day surprise.

[palangi]

Kawhi to Sacramento for

#2 pick
Bogdanovic
Labissiere
Justin jackson

Trade Patty Mills to phillyfor their first second rounder


2- jaren jackson PF/C Michigan state can rim protect with immense length and standing 6'11". Can also stretch and is incredibly athletic

18- Lonnie Walker SG Miami young athletic scorer. Great length. Can shoot from deep

38- Jared Vanderbilt SF Kentucky freshman season hacked by ankle injury. But at 6'9" with great length he would a great pick here. Needs to get consistent with shot but has good form. Can handle the ball too

49- Hamidou Diallo SG/PG Kentucky extremely long and athletic. Had a good shot needs to be consistent. Could develop into a Manu type role off the bench.


PG- Murray, White, Forbes
SG- Bogdanovic, Walker, Diallo
SF- Gay, Jackson, Vanderbilt
PF- Jackson, Labissiere, Bertans
C- Aldridge, Mulitinov, Brihma

[SpursBills]

Kawhi to Sacramento for

#2 pick
Bogdanovic
Labissiere
Justin jackson

Trade Patty Mills to phillyfor their first second rounder


2- jaren jackson PF/C Michigan state can rim protect with immense length and standing 6'11". Can also stretch and is incredibly athletic

18- Lonnie Walker SG Miami young athletic scorer. Great length. Can shoot from deep

38- Jared Vanderbilt SF Kentucky freshman season hacked by ankle injury. But at 6'9" with great length he would a great pick here. Needs to get consistent with shot but has good form. Can handle the ball too

49- Hamidou Diallo SG/PG Kentucky extremely long and athletic. Had a good shot needs to be consistent. Could develop into a Manu type role off the bench.


PG- Murray, White, Forbes
SG- Bogdanovic, Walker, Diallo
SF- Gay, Jackson, Vanderbilt
PF- Jackson, Labissiere, Bertans
C- Aldridge, Mulitinov, Brihma

If you really think Sacramento trades that package for the #2 then you trade aldridge for parsons and the #4 as well and build around murray, doncic, and JJJ. Bottom out for 1 year, get a nice draft pick next year, and your future looks good for the next decade.

[DPG21920]

we had a good run tbh

the spurs will be very mediocre for a long time. we dont have a franchise player nor is there a good way to acquire one without completing sucking for several years

Spurs trading with PHX or SAC gives them a chance right away to get one.

[Spurs9]

I really like a package around Fox, Buddy and the #2. Sac actually has some good assets with players they have tbh

[wildbill2u]

Does any team have two lottery picks this year we could trade for?

[NASpurs]

If you really think Sacramento trades that package for the #2 then you trade aldridge for parsons and the #4 as well and build around murray, doncic, and JJJ. Bottom out for 1 year, get a nice draft pick next year, and your future looks good for the next decade.

Seriously bold this man. If we trade Leonard with the future in mind (meaning picks and young players) then you HAVE TO get rid of Aldridge. That #4 Memphis pick looks nice.

[DPG21920]

I really like a package around Fox, Buddy and the #2. Sac actually has some good assets with players they have tbh

I don’t like Buddy honestly. But Fox & 2 is great. Trade Fox or Murray.

[SpursDynasty85]

I'd think anything 4 and under for Kawhi is too much risk without a longer term commitment.

[DPG21920]

Does any team have two lottery picks this year we could trade for?

Clippers have 12 and 13

[BillMc]

Does any team have two lottery picks this year we could trade for?

Clippers.

[DPG21920]

I really hope SA gets cap space and buys picks for taking on one year deals like Faried or something.

[BillMc]

I'd think anything 4 and under for Kawhi is too much risk without a longer term commitment.

I agree. But all you need is one taker....

The bar is closing. Spurs need to take someone home.

[SpursDynasty85]

Spurs aren't going to blow it up and make this thing a cautionary tale for people to write in the history books. Also. LMA looks like for the Spurs untouchable unless he wants a trade after this fiasco. Spurs mo will be to repair Kawhi relationship if possible or trade for assets that would maximize both short term and long term needs. This should be what we expect from the Spurs. Those early lottery picks will probably need a 3rd team or commitment from Kawhi. Plus like the rumors in earlier year Spurs would likely trade to the east even if Kawhi only commits to sign and trade with LA.

[TD 21]

Kawhi to Boston for Jaylen Brown, 27th, Kings 1st in 19, Morris, Yabusele.

Or Kawhi to LA for Ingram, Kuzma, 25th, Hart.

Then turn around and trade LA to Washington for Otto Porter and their 15th pick.

Milutinov, Otto Porter, Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Murray, 15th pick, 18th pick, 27th pick, Kings 19' 1st is a fantastic start at a rebuild..

Or Milutinov, Otto, Kuzma, Ingram, Derrick White, DeJounte, 15th, 18th, 25th, Josh Hart., Kings 1st in 19.

Unless the Celtics get a third team involved, Rozier would have to be in it for financial purposes, so probably replace the 27th pick with him. They could then probably reroute him to the Suns for the 16th pick. Morris can probably be rerouted for a fringe 1st or young player with commensurate value.

Not a chance he should be traded to L.A., specifically the Lakers, for 3 reasons: 1) Unappealing package(s), 2) Would be acquiescing to his wish, 3) In conference and would be facilitating inevitable genesis of super team if traded to the Lakers. 2 and 3 should only be overlooked for a package that's markedly superior to any others.

Don't buy into this notion of him controlling the process. The Celtics and 76ers would still have excellent cores if he left in a year and he'd have to walk away from an additional $40M (on top of the $39M he'd already lose by being traded). They're not going to be scared off because they're not his first choice.

Aldridge for Porter is one I'd pondered if it came to this. Makes sense for both teams, but can't see the Wizards including 15. Could see 18 and 49 for 15 and 44, though.

This could potentially be a Celtics style accelerated re-build: Brown, Porter, Murray, White, 15th, 16th (could try to package them and move up), Kings 1st in '19.

[BD24]

Tatum plus Memphis or Sacto pick is a great start.
Tatum and a pick is probably best case scenario. Sadly I don't think Celtics will part with him after that run. More likely they offer rozier and brown.

[From Downtown]

Honestly if there's one player I'd take from the Kings that's Bogdanovic
He's the perfect Manu replacement

[MaNu4Tres]

This could potentially be a Celtics style accelerated re-build: Brown, Porter, Murray, White, 15th, 16th (could try to package them and move up), Kings 1st in '19.

Add in Rozier or flip him and Morris for more picks.

Also, use space to sign Favors or use it to take on an unwanted short contract for assets. I.E Faried + picks, or Leonard ( Portland) + 2 1st rounders.

[TD 21]

Add in Rozier or flip him and Morris for more picks.

Also, use space to sign Favors or use it to take on an unwanted short contract for assets. I.E Faried + picks, or Leonard ( Portland) + 2 1st rounders.



Unless the Celtics get a third team involved, Rozier would have to be in it for financial purposes, so probably replace the 27th pick with him. They could then probably reroute him to the Suns for the 16th pick. Morris can probably be rerouted for a fringe 1st or young player with commensurate value.

Favors isn't a bad idea, but I'd rather option B. Don't want to be too high floor/low ceiling. Still need to gather depth of picks/prospects in hopes of unearthing a superstar or star(s).

[cool cat]

If you really think Sacramento trades that package for the #2 then you trade aldridge for parsons and the #4 as well and build around murray, doncic, and JJJ. Bottom out for 1 year, get a nice draft pick next year, and your future looks good for the next decade.

I'd rather have Mo Bamba then JJJ, but yea that's as good of a deal as any to rebuild.

[BSfromTX]

im Guessing if The Kawhi drama is not settled before the draft, we will lose some bargaining power in trades?

[SpursBills]

I'd rather have Mo Bamba then JJJ, but yea that's as good of a deal as any to rebuild.

Spurs need 2-3 all stars or a superstar in the future in order to contend. Now that Kawhi is on his way out, the timetables of LMA and dejounte don't match up. Best option is to get a couple guys on the same timetable as dejounte who can potentially develop into good players at least, and ideally top 20 nba players. If the spurs can get JJJ, Doncic, and like a Zhaire/Huerter type in this year's draft, that can kick-start the rebuild process. Patty's contract also looks a lot less painful on a rebuilding team as a big part of his value is the leadership and "culture" that he provides. Pau's contract also looks more palatable in this situation as be basically becomes a regular season minutes eater.

In 2018-2019, run a lineup of dejounte/white/doncic/anderson/pau with mills/parsons/Bertans/JJJ. Send Zhaire to D-league. That's probably a 30 win team realistically. 2 years from now, I have to think from everything I've seen on NBA draft twitter that at least one of JJJ/Doncic/Zhaire will show something, if not 2-3 of them.

If everything pans out, you just continue building through the draft. If your draft picks don't show signs of becoming future top 15 players, though, and merely become good players, you still have a collection of young cheap assets. Then in 2-3 years, you'd have a very young team with lots of cap space in a small city with a tradition and a distinctly international culture. That's probably the best shot SA will have at a guy like Giannis when the Bucks inevitably fuck things up.

Everything hinges on Sacramento. I don't think they make the deal for the #2. I really think Memphis does pull the trigger on #4 and Parsons for Aldridge, since he perfectly fits into the timetable of Gasol and Conley, management is desperate to return to the playoffs, both bigs can pass really well, and it fits their grit-and-grind style.

[cutewizard]

Can we get Marc Gasol??

[Thomas82]

Luka Doncic
Michael Porter Jr.
Marvin Bagley III
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Brandon Ingram

We'll probably end up with one of these guys. Obviously not one of them is on Kawhi's level, but who do you take?


Thats not a bad list to build around of prospects, add on Ayton on to that list. We basically played without Kawhi this last whole season, so the Spurs won't be in that bad of a spot adding in talent. Also they have the 18th pick in a deep draft.

I would also add Mo Bamba to the list. I would love to have him.

[cutewizard]

Let's rebuild with Doncic!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVIl9zTTgFA

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m63o8H0vMR4

This boy is for real! WONDERBOY!

Spurs would be wise to build around this cager!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRLFREnWUoc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thp8du1i7MM

[pad300]

There are 3 paths.
Path 1: This is all contract bullshit and they will reach a deal with Kawhi's camp - this seems unlikely now... For this post, the idea is a non-starter.

Path 2: Blow it all up, trade Kawhi for the most future assets possible, trade anyone else for future assets, and generally pull what Boston and Philly pulled - stockpile assets and a ground up rebuild. I don think the Spurs do this. Financial pressure on the ownership and a lack of time for the current PATFO (Pop will be retiring in the forseeable future) suggest against it. Not to mention it might not be practical. The team would need to tank Hard to get into top 5 pick territory - they won 47 without Kawhi last year, despite the distraction of the situation.

Path 3: Reload not rebuild. I think this is where they go. An avenue that I see is working with Charlotte as part of a 3 way. Something like this, http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7gx75qm (with SAS getting the #2 from SAC), or this http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd5jsanh (with SAS getting #10 and rights to Bolden/Pasceniks/#26 from Philly) or this http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yay77bc3 with SAS getting #25 and a 2020 1st from LAL).

Follow that up by throwing the full MLE at Tyreke Evans. Move Mills for assets if possible. Resign Anderson if cheap (< MLE), depending on who we draft, try to resign Gay, Green (if they are cheap...we will have bird rights to Green and non-bird for Gay). Look for a cheap minute eater or two as big men.

LMA - Anderson/?Gay? - Batum - ?Green? - Kemba
Tyreke as 6th Man + White + Dejounte
#18 + 1 of (#2/#10?#25)

Looks like it could be pretty solid to me. The play models off of the spurs teams of old - LMA for Duncan , Kemba for Tony, Tyreke for Manu. Kemba can bolt next year, but it's another year for Dejounte to develop an offensive game...

Of the 3 trades I prefer the Sac trade, because Doncic could be a huge star in the long term, then Philly, and finally FTL...


The obvious common point is getting Kemba (and Batum) from CHA - because our biggest problem last year was running our O. Batum is overpaid, but he is still a decent player, and might look a lot better in the Spurs system than he does in Cha (see what happened with Diaw for example).

[ernest787]

Looking at those trades. I don't think there is anyway charlotte wants any of that. MJ has said he would trade Kemba but wants all-star talent in return. That is all garbage going to charlotte.

[TD 21]

There are 3 paths.
Path 1: This is all contract bullshit and they will reach a deal with Kawhi's camp - this seems unlikely now... For this post, the idea is a non-starter.

Path 2: Blow it all up, trade Kawhi for the most future assets possible, trade anyone else for future assets, and generally pull what Boston and Philly pulled - stockpile assets and a ground up rebuild. I don think the Spurs do this. Financial pressure on the ownership and a lack of time for the current PATFO (Pop will be retiring in the forseeable future) suggest against it. Not to mention it might not be practical. The team would need to tank Hard to get into top 5 pick territory - they won 47 without Kawhi last year, despite the distraction of the situation.

Path 3: Reload not rebuild. I think this is where they go. An avenue that I see is working with Charlotte as part of a 3 way. Something like this, http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7gx75qm (with SAS getting the #2 from SAC), or this http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd5jsanh (with SAS getting #10 and rights to Bolden/Pasceniks/#26 from Philly) or this http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yay77bc3 with SAS getting #25 and a 2020 1st from LAL).

Follow that up by throwing the full MLE at Tyreke Evans. Move Mills for assets if possible. Resign Anderson if cheap (< MLE), depending on who we draft, try to resign Gay, Green (if they are cheap...we will have bird rights to Green and non-bird for Gay). Look for a cheap minute eater or two as big men.

LMA - Anderson/?Gay? - Batum - ?Green? - Kemba
Tyreke as 6th Man + White + Dejounte
#18 + 1 of (#2/#10?#25)

Looks like it could be pretty solid to me. The play models off of the spurs teams of old - LMA for Duncan , Kemba for Tony, Tyreke for Manu. Kemba can bolt next year, but it's another year for Dejounte to develop an offensive game...

Of the 3 trades I prefer the Sac trade, because Doncic could be a huge star in the long term, then Philly, and finally FTL...


The obvious common point is getting Kemba (and Batum) from CHA - because our biggest problem last year was running our O. Batum is overpaid, but he is still a decent player, and might look a lot better in the Spurs system than he does in Cha (see what happened with Diaw for example).

1. Why would the Kings trade their 2 best prospects (Fox and 2nd pick) for at most 1 season of Leonard? Not even they could be that stupid.

2. Don't know if Spurs could get all or any of the addons beyond the 10th pick, but either way this isn't bad value in a vacuum. Problem is, it lacks a foundational young player, which means a permanent place on the treadmill of mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

3. This conceivably could accomplish what 2 couldn't, but Frye's a UFA on July 1st and therefore can't be included, they'd be giving Leonard what he supposedly wants, keeping him in conference, helping the hated Lakers and facilitating the inevitable genesis of the latest "super team".

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Looking at those trades. I don't think there is anyway charlotte wants any of that. MJ has said he would trade Kemba but wants all-star talent in return. That is all garbage going to charlotte.

Really? Kemba is an expiring, who they are going to have to pay (possibly overpay) to stay in Charlotte. In each case, he gets high end PG prospect (Fox/Fulz/Ball) and expirings (remember that Pau's 3ed year is only guaranteed 6M), while getting out from under the Batum contract. Looks like pretty good value to me...

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1. Why would the Kings trade their 2 best prospects (Fox and 2nd pick) for at most 1 season of Leonard? Not even they could be that stupid.

2. Don't know if Spurs could get all or any of the addons beyond the 10th pick, but either way this isn't bad value in a vacuum. Problem is, it lacks a foundational young player, which means a permanent place on the treadmill of mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

3. This conceivably could accomplish what 2 couldn't, but Frye's a UFA on July 1st and therefore can't be included, they'd be giving Leonard what he supposedly wants, keeping him in conference, helping the hated Lakers and facilitating the inevitable genesis of the latest "super team".

1. Obviously, because the Kings discussed the matter with Leonard's camp and he agreed to re-sign there...

2. Where exactly do you see us getting a "foundational young player" through anybodies proposals (except) the Kings' trade that you poo-poo'ed above?

3. Frye is salary cap filler. There are other ways to structure the trade (for example, have LAL draft whomever SAS chooses - as a drafted player, not a pick, he carries the salary cap associated with his draft position...)

[TD 21]

1. Obviously, because the Kings discussed the matter with Leonard's camp and he agreed to re-sign there...

2. Where exactly do you see us getting a "foundational young player" through anybodies proposals (except) the Kings' trade that you poo-poo'ed above?

3. Frye is salary cap filler. There are other ways to structure the trade (for example, have LAL draft whomever SAS chooses - as a drafted player, not a pick, he carries the salary cap associated with his draft position...)

1. Not happening. He more than likely wouldn't do that anywhere but the Lakers.

2. Brown and Ingram are probably foundational players and Fultz potentially is. Foundational players = someone who can be a top 3 player on a good team. Walker obviously is, but he's 28. This franchise needs it in a younger player.

3. I know. What I'm saying it, Frye's ineligible to be included. For example, the Spurs can't trade Parker right now.

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1. Not happening. He more than likely wouldn't do that anywhere but the Lakers.

2. Brown and Ingram are probably foundational players and Fultz potentially is. Foundational players = someone who can be a top 3 player on a good team. Walker obviously is, but he's 28. This franchise needs it in a younger player.

3. I know. What I'm saying it, Frye's ineligible to be included. For example, the Spurs can't trade Parker right now.

2. Top 3 on a good team is "foundational"? Goofy definition, but if your scouting is good, you can get one of those in any draft pick - for example, Kawhi, Tony, George Hill, Jimmy Butler... I would not actually bet on either Ingram (particularly him - he's played 2 yrs, and has never posted a PER > 15, a WS/48 > 0.1, a BPM that's positive, or a VORP > 0.5. Good players show things once they get in the show) or Brown living up to the standard of a Tony Parker...

[DAF86]

Murray, White, Anderson, Bertans, Dedmon (yes, I would bring him back), 18th pick and whatever we get from trading Kawhi and LA. It shouldn't be so awful of a rebuilding process, I'm interested on seeing all those guys develop.

[TD 21]

2. Top 3 on a good team is "foundational"? Goofy definition, but if your scouting is good, you can get one of those in any draft pick - for example, Kawhi, Tony, George Hill, Jimmy Butler... I would not actually bet on either Ingram (particularly him - he's played 2 yrs, and has never posted a PER > 15, a WS/48 > 0.1, a BPM that's positive, or a VORP > 0.5. Good players show things once they get in the show) or Brown living up to the standard of a Tony Parker...

You can, but it's about odds and they obviously get worse the deeper you go into a draft.

Parker was a top 3 player on a championship team(s). I'm not an Ingram fan either, but to put my definition into context: for all their playoff failure, the Raptors have the 4th best regular season winning percentage in the past half decade, with a core of Lowry, DeRozan, Valanciunas.

[cutewizard]

Doncic with Manu as mentor for one year could be incredible!!!

[ernest787]

Really? Kemba is an expiring, who they are going to have to pay (possibly overpay) to stay in Charlotte. In each case, he gets high end PG prospect (Fox/Fulz/Ball) and expirings (remember that Pau's 3ed year is only guaranteed 6M), while getting out from under the Batum contract. Looks like pretty good value to me...


This is the quote from Jordan regarding Kemba:

“It’s not like we are shopping him. We would not just give him up. I love Kemba Walker. I would not trade him for anything but an All-Star player.”

[DAF86]

This draft seems to have more depth than top level talent. I wouldn't mind making as many moves as possible to get mid first round picks.

Hutchinson, Lonnie Walker, Musa, Zaire Smith, Huerter. A lot of interesting players.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6MHRg3ctQU

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YPpWSZSheY

[cutewizard]

This Spellman guy is definitely Spurs material!

[DAF86]

-Trade Kawhi to the Sixers for Fultz, Covington and the 10th pick (See if you can unload Mills and/or Gasol in this).
-Trade Aldridge to the Suns for Jackson and the 16th pick (see if you can unload Mills and/or Gasol in this).
-See if somebody is interested on taking Murray for a pick on the 10th to 20th range.
-Bring Milutinovic
-Retain Anderson and Bertans.
-See if you can sign Dedmon.
-Draft:

10-Mikal Bridges
16-Walker
18-Huerter
Murray's pick-Musa

Starting lineup

Fultz - Covington - Bridges - Anderson - Dedmon

Bench

White - Walker - Jackson - Bertans - Milutinovic

Third unit

Musa - Paul - Huerter - Blossomgame - Lauvergne

Or just see if Kawhi AND Aldridge is enough for Phoenix to trade 1st, 16th and Jackson and just hope Doncic is the trascendental talent some seem to think he is.

[BackHome]

Like everything but one little tiny thing is that LMA is still better then anyone on that team I would not trade him.

[cutewizard]

-Trade Kawhi to the Sixers for Fultz, Covington and the 10th pick (See if you can unload Mills and/or Gasol in this).
-Trade Aldridge to the Suns for Jackson and the 16th pick (see if you can unload Mills and/or Gasol in this).
-See if somebody is interested on taking Murray for a pick on the 10th to 20th range.
-Bring Milutinovic
-Retain Anderson and Bertans.
-See if you can sign Dedmon.
-Draft:

10-Mikal Bridges
16-Walker
18-Huerter
Murray's pick-Musa

Starting lineup

Fultz - Covington - Bridges - Anderson - Dedmon

Bench

White - Walker - Jackson - Bertans - Milutinovic

Third unit

Musa - Paul - Huerter - Blossomgame - Lauvergne

Or just see if Kawhi AND Aldridge is enough for Phoenix to trade 1st, 16th and Jackson and just hope Doncic is the trascendental talent some seem to think he is.

He could be.

[r0drig0lac]

spurs need to get Hutchison

[cutewizard]

spurs need to get Hutchison


Is he good?

[Brazil]

Murray, White, Anderson, Bertans, Dedmon (yes, I would bring him back), 18th pick and whatever we get from trading Kawhi and LA. It shouldn't be so awful of a rebuilding process, I'm interested on seeing all those guys develop.

+1

except for Dedmon

[cutewizard]

:bobo

[benfti]

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