DHS Secretary Nielsen slams 'irresponsible' media, says no 'policy of separating fami

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Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen
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@SecNielsen
This misreporting by Members, press & advocacy groups must stop. It is irresponsible and unproductive. As I have said many times before, if you are seeking asylum for your family, there is no reason to break the law and illegally cross between ports of entry.


Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen
✔
@SecNielsen
You are not breaking the law by seeking asylum at a port of entry.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/17/dhs-secretary-nielsen-slams-irresponsible-media-says-no-policy-separating-families-at-border.html

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Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen
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@SecNielsen
For those seeking asylum at ports of entry, we have continued the policy from previous Administrations and will only separate if the child is in danger, there is no custodial relationship between 'family' members, or if the adult has broken a law.
2:52 PM - Jun 17, 2018

[Reck]

In what danger were these kids that they had to be put in camps and ripped from their parents? Why isn't this twat tweeting about that?

[Chris]

In what danger were these kids that they had to be put in camps and ripped from their parents? Why isn't this twat tweeting about that?

The fact that their parents were willing to use them as leverage to break the law is clear and present danger.

[Spurminator]

Trump official says Fake News.

Boy cries wolf.

[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

Nielsen says there's is no policy of separation, we're "policy innocent" so it's OK if we do separation

JeBo has ordered that all asylum seekers now be treated as criminals, so "the law sez" children must be separated from criminals.

Jebo says his goons do separation

Stephen Miller says it was a "simple decision" to do separation

Nielsen is fucking LYING

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Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen
✔
@SecNielsen
For those seeking asylum at ports of entry, we have continued the policy from previous Administrations and will only separate if the child is in danger, there is no custodial relationship between 'family' members, or if the adult has broken a law.
2:52 PM - Jun 17, 2018

[ducks]

Nielsen says there's is no policy of separation, we're "policy innocent" so it's OK if do separation

JeBo has ordered that all asylum seekers now be treated as criminals, so "the law sez" children must be separated from criminals.
Must use port entities to do it legally

[Winehole23]

Must use port entities to do it legallyNot true, if this is:


8 U.S. Code § 1225 - Inspection by immigration officers; expedited removal of inadmissible arriving aliens; referral for hearingp (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1224)

(a)Inspection
(1)Aliens treated as applicants for admissionAn alien (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8-USC-92903111-1485256781&term_occur=987&term_src=title:8:chapter:12:subchapter:II:part:IV: section:1225) present in the United States (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8-USC-2032517217-1201680101&term_occur=897&term_src=title:8:chapter:12:subchapter:II:part:IV: section:1225) who has not been admitted or who arrives in the United States (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8-USC-2032517217-1201680101&term_occur=898&term_src=title:8:chapter:12:subchapter:II:part:IV: section:1225) (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8-USC-2032517217-1201680101&term_occur=899&term_src=title:8:chapter:12:subchapter:II:part:IV: section:1225) after having been interdicted in international or United States (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8-USC-2032517217-1201680101&term_occur=900&term_src=title:8:chapter:12:subchapter:II:part:IV: section:1225) waters) shall be deemed for purposes of this chapter an applicant for admission.https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1225

also,


8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum

a)Authority to apply for asylum

(1)Any alien (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8-USC-92903111-1485256781&term_occur=380&term_src=title:8:chapter:12:subchapter:II:part:I:s ection:1158) who is physically present in the United States (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8-USC-2032517217-1201680101&term_occur=313&term_src=title:8:chapter:12:subchapter:II:part:I:s ection:1158) or who arrives in the United States (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8-USC-2032517217-1201680101&term_occur=314&term_src=title:8:chapter:12:subchapter:II:part:I:s ection:1158) (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to theUnitedStates (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8-USC-2032517217-1201680101&term_occur=315&term_src=title:8:chapter:12:subchapter:II:part:I:s ection:1158) after having been interdicted in international or United States (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=8-USC-2032517217-1201680101&term_occur=316&term_src=title:8:chapter:12:subchapter:II:part:I:s ection:1158) waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1225#b).



One thing that is notable throughout this code, is the broad authority of the US Attorney General to make determinations about what the law is and how it applies. But if that is the case here, it puts the lie to claims that a law passed by Democrats has tied the Trump Administrations's hands.

[Winehole23]

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[RandomGuy]

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It is shocking to see a huge group of people so detached from reality.

A current Democratic undercurrent is that attempting to engage with Trump Party adherents is pointless. I think the marginalization of moderates in the GOTP will be pretty much complete in another two years.

Were I pulling the strings, I would be finding a few new chairs in the tent for people to stay for a while. I am also of the opinion that the atmosphere is right for a new party to form, likely center-right.

[djohn2oo8]

Trump admin has lost track of 6,000 children.

[SnakeBoy]

It is shocking to see a huge group of people so detached from reality.

A current Democratic undercurrent is that attempting to engage with Trump Party adherents is pointless. I think the marginalization of moderates in the GOTP will be pretty much complete in another two years.

Were I pulling the strings, I would be finding a few new chairs in the tent for people to stay for a while. I am also of the opinion that the atmosphere is right for a new party to form, likely center-right.

Dude are you ever going stop predicting the imminent demise of the GOP? You should have learned by now.

There is just as much (or more) of a battle for control occurring within the Democrat party and all you can do is stick your head in the sand and tell yourself everything is fine.

[Pavlov]

Dude are you ever going stop predicting the imminent demise of the GOP? You should have learned by now.

There is just as much (or more) of a battle for control occurring within the Democrat party and all you can do is stick your head in the sand and tell yourself everything is fine.I don't think it's imminent demise he's describing; just the whitling away of anything not resembling the orthodox base.

[RandomGuy]

Dude are you ever going stop predicting the imminent demise of the GOP? You should have learned by now.

There is just as much (or more) of a battle for control occurring within the Democrat party and all you can do is stick your head in the sand and tell yourself everything is fine.

Trump Party will not be dead any time soon. It will become something of a zombie party, unable to win the Presidency.

Unlike you, I have a frontline view to what is going on in the Democratic party. Whatever internal debates are going on, will be settled by the intense desire to win elections. A lot of energy is being poured into constructive ways, such as outreach, candidate training, and networking.

No Democrat I have talked to, within my social network that spans the country, and without it, has said they will let anything keep them from presenting a united front this fall.

But, if you want to keep thinking the Trump Party is doing fine, and Democrats will keep squabbling, that suits me perfectly. It will keep you from addressing the problems, and that will keep your morally and intellectually bankrupt party far from national power. I'm fine with that. :tu

[RandomGuy]

I don't think it's imminent demise he's describing; just the whitling away of anything not resembling the orthodox base.

A "zombie" party. Not dead, but certainly not alive. The echo chamber effect is pretty much complete, and cults don't die easy. It is easy to see the strength of the delusions from outside, but inside the chamber... almost impossible.

[SnakeBoy]

and that will keep your morally and intellectually bankrupt party far from national power

This is what you've been saying for many years and the whole time it has been your party in decline.

[Chris]

A "zombie" party. Not dead, but certainly not alive. The echo chamber effect is pretty much complete, and cults don't die easy. It is easy to see the strength of the delusions from outside, but inside the chamber... almost impossible.

I agree the Democrat Party is on it's last legs. Even here at Spurstalk we have a good example - the party is represented by 100% trolls.

[Chris]

This is what you've been saying for many years and the whole time it has been your party in decline.

His party literally went bankrupt. :lol

[RandomGuy]

This is what you've been saying for many years and the whole time it has been your party in decline.

Define "decline", and then explain exactly how that applies to the Democrats. Your claim, your burden of proof.

[SnakeBoy]

Define "decline", and then explain exactly how that applies to the Democrats. Your claim, your burden of proof.

Your party hasn't been in this weak of a position politically for a hundred years. Are you not aware of this?

[RandomGuy]

This is what you've been saying for many years and the whole time it has been your party in decline.


Define "decline", and then explain exactly how that applies to the Democrats. Your claim, your burden of proof.


Your party hasn't been in this weak of a position politically for a hundred years. Are you not aware of this?

That is neither a definition of "decline", nor an application of that definition as it applies to Democrats.

Your claim, your burden of proof.

[Chris]

RG clammed up pretty fast on that one. Easy to shut him down with simple questions tbh

[RandomGuy]

RG clammed up pretty fast on that one. Easy to shut him down with simple questions tbh

Neither you, nor anyone else for that matter has asked me a single question here. Feel free to point out what question I have avoided.

Evasion, and deflection are more your shtick than mine, sorry.

Edit:

Snakeboy's question is exactly what I am getting him to spell out, so that I can answer it. I can't answer it, if he can't tell me what exactly he means by it.

[Spurtacular]

A two-year-old cried. The govt. needs to get into contract talks with Marriot immediately.

[DMC]

In what danger were these kids that they had to be put in camps and ripped from their parents? Why isn't this twat tweeting about that?

Hyperbole required to try to have a point = doesn't have a point

[AaronY]

The fact that their parents were willing to use them as leverage to break the law is clear and present danger.
How are they leverage? they tried to immigrate so of course they brought their kids.

Everything is some kind of Machiavellian more than meets the eye bullshit with you

[Chris]

How are they leverage? they tried to immigrate so of course they brought their kids.

Everything is some kind of Machiavellian more than meets the eye bullshit with you

They tried to come here illegally.

"They tried to immigrate" - :lol

If you don't understand how leverage works, then I don't know what to say.

[AaronY]

They tried to come here illegally.

"They tried to immigrate" - :lol

If you don't understand how leverage works, then I don't know what to say.
Illegal immigration is a phrase that unbeknownst to many contains the word immigration

[Winehole23]

A two-year-old cried. The govt. needs to get into contract talks with Marriot immediately.child care would be difficult, but not impossible to arrange and of course the whole thing would be hideously expensive, but sure, why not?

[Spurtacular]

child care would be difficult, but not impossible to arrange and of course the whole thing would be hideously expensive, but sure, why not?

Yea, why not? It's our job to pick up the slack for the corrupt Mexicans.

[Winehole23]

Mexicans living in the US went down by one million in the last decade, why are you still picking on them?

[Winehole23]

Chris does it too.

It's kind of quaint: THE TREND REVERSED AND YOU DIDNT EVEN NOTICE

[Spurtacular]

Mexicans living in the US went down by one million in the last decade, why are you still picking on them?

You're dangerously close to being a boutons replacement. :lol

[Winehole23]

why are you picking on Mexicans?

[Winehole23]

in principle, there should be a clear answer. what say you?

[Spurtacular]

why are you picking on Mexicans?


in principle, there should be a clear answer. what say you?

I'll defer to your heroes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=JQJlmFqUA8w

[Winehole23]

another deflection.

if they all agree why cant they fix it?

[Winehole23]

why are you still picking on Mexicans?

[ducks]

why are you still picking on Mexicans?
they are picking on americans!

[Spurminator]

Trump to sign executive order to end policy that doesn't exist

[benefactor]

they are picking on americans!
:lol

[spurraider21]

so nielson says (per op) that there is no policy of separating children from families, but per news today, she has helped draft an order that would end the policy of separating children from families

[Winehole23]

they are picking on americans!how so?

[Winehole23]

so nielson says (per op) that there is no policy of separating children from families, but per news today, she has helped draft an order that would end the policy of separating children from familiesShe lied her ass off.

We are the people our parents warned us about:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigrant-children-detained-infants-detained-by-ice-letter-to-inspector-general-2019-02-28-live-updates/

[boutons_deux]

100s 1000s of these kids are lost forever from their parents, and being fucked in the CBP facilities or fucked AND trafficked by outside pedophiles

Nazis would agree with the Aryan American Schutzstaffel.

[Winehole23]

so nielson says (per op) that there is no policy of separating children from families, but per news today, she has helped draft an order that would end the policy of separating children from familieshow is that working out?

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[DMC]

"returned to the US to find them"

How exactly did they return?

[Spurtacular]

how is that working out?

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Oh, the humanity!

[Winehole23]

"returned to the US to find them"

How exactly did they return?Read the fuckin letter, genius.

Presented themselves at the border, as refugees, in conformity with US law, with representation, to be reunited with children they were forcibly separated from. They also have US sponsors.

[Nbadan]

Why are we constantly having to morally police the GOP? From rendition, to water torture, and now family separations these pieces of shit are just plain evil. Part of the blame goes to the independent moderate pieces of shit that keep holding their nose and pocket books and keep re-electing them, so morally, America is lost.

[Winehole23]

Oh, the humanity!you misspelled barbarity

[Spurtacular]

you misspelled barbarity

Yea, some of the invaders are barbaians

[boutons_deux]

Traumatizing kids, parents causes PTSD, changes people's brains physically,

that takes years or decades or never to correct

Just ask the US military vets with PTSD

Racist, sadistic, authoritarian billionaire BARBARIANS are running the US govt

Doctor testifies at family separation hearing that boy she met was 'shell of his previous self' (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/3/26/1845431/-Doctor-testifies-at-family-separation-hearing-that-boy-she-met-was-shell-of-his-previous-self)

Trump administration’s barbaric “zero tolerance” policy of the

devastating emotional and physical impact family separation

can cause to children, no matter the length of time.

One mother she met last summer said that her 8-year-old son was just “a shell of his previous self” following their separation.

“For seven days, this boy and his pregnant mother did not know about the other’s location or safety,”

Dr. Julie Linton, chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics Immigrant Health Special Interest Group, testified during a House Homeland Security Committee hearing on Tuesday.

“Their separation was shorter than many children harmed by the zero tolerance policy, and

he still suffered the consequences.”

(https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/3/26/1845431/-Doctor-testifies-at-family-separation-hearing-that-boy-she-met-was-shell-of-his-previous-self?detail=emaildkre)https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/3/26/1845431/-Doctor-testifies-at-family-separation-hearing-that-boy-she-met-was-shell-of-his-previous-self?detail=emaildkre

Racist, sadistic barbarity is what you FUCKING RIGHT WING assholes voted for, right?

And you'll vote again and always for BARBARITY

[Spurtacular]

Traumatizing kids, parents causes PTSD, changes people's brains physically,

that takes years or decades or never to correct

Just ask the US military vets with PTSD

Racist, sadistic, authoritarian billionaire BARBARIANS are running the US govt

Doctor testifies at family separation hearing that boy she met was 'shell of his previous self' (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/3/26/1845431/-Doctor-testifies-at-family-separation-hearing-that-boy-she-met-was-shell-of-his-previous-self)

Trump administration’s barbaric “zero tolerance” policy of the

devastating emotional and physical impact family separation

can cause to children, no matter the length of time.

One mother she met last summer said that her 8-year-old son was just “a shell of his previous self” following their separation.

“For seven days, this boy and his pregnant mother did not know about the other’s location or safety,”

Dr. Julie Linton, chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics Immigrant Health Special Interest Group, testified during a House Homeland Security Committee hearing on Tuesday.

“Their separation was shorter than many children harmed by the zero tolerance policy, and

he still suffered the consequences.”

(https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/3/26/1845431/-Doctor-testifies-at-family-separation-hearing-that-boy-she-met-was-shell-of-his-previous-self?detail=emaildkre)https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/3/26/1845431/-Doctor-testifies-at-family-separation-hearing-that-boy-she-met-was-shell-of-his-previous-self?detail=emaildkre

Racist, sadistic barbarity is what you FUCKING RIGHT WING assholes voted for, right?

And you'll vote again and always for BARBARITY




Oh, the humanity!

[Winehole23]

Trump to sign executive order to end policy that doesn't existstill exists, apparently we don't bother with detaining people in licensed facilities anymore.

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[boutons_deux]

Trash/Miller/CBP/ICE is as humane as a meat factory.

How will the Dems undo the Repug humanitarian disaster? If they ever do