The Staircase - Netflix doc series

[SpursforSix]

This just popped up on Netflix the other day. It was originally a 10 part doc about a man convicted of killing his wife in 2001. They just recently updated it with 3 more episodes. I never saw it when it first came out so it was new to me.

Probably the most riveting doc that I’ve ever seen. The accused was wealthy and had a film crew on hand just weeks after the death to document everything. The access that was given to the French film crew is unbelievable. They were in strategy sessions for both prosecution and defense. As well as the courtroom and jail.

So so as opposed to many true crime docs that involve recreations or interviews years later, this captures the events while they were happening.

9/10.

The last three add on episodes were kind of slow. Some interesting moments but could have been done in one hour or maybe 90 minutes.

But the first 10 are incredibly compelling.

[Spurs da champs]

Better than Making a Murderer?

[SpursforSix]

Better than Making a Murderer?

It’s neck and neck imo. Although maybe that’s due to recency bias.
But it’s great. I was hooked very quickly in the first episode and it really doesn’t have any lulls until the final 3.

[Reck]

I added this a few weeks back. Haven't touched it yet.

Got too many one-offs I have to get out of the way first.

[Pavlov]

Yeah, I'm not inclined to see a ten+ part documentary unless Ken Burns did it. Anything more than four really has to be extraordinary.

[SpursforSix]

Yeah, I'm not inclined to see a ten+ part documentary unless Ken Burns did it. Anything more than four really has to be extraordinary.

That's a pretty limited view...."unless Ken Burns". But to each his own.

[Pavlov]

That's a pretty limited view...."unless Ken Burns". But to each his own.There are exceptions, but 13 hours on a single murder won't be one of them. To each his own.

[Spurtacular]

Yeah, I'm not inclined to see a ten+ part documentary unless Ken Burns did it. Anything more than four really has to be extraordinary.

There might be some kids on your lawn; you might need to yell at them.

[Pavlov]

There might be some kids on your lawn; you might need to yell at them.Did you watch this 13 part series, derp?

[Spurtacular]

Did you watch this 13 part series, derp?

I watched the series that is akin to it (except I think there may have been extra episodes added onto Making A Murder since I watched it IIRC). It was excellent. This thread is the first I've heard of The Staircase, so I haven't seen it yet. I would say there's a good chance I'll watch it at some point.

[Pavlov]

I watched the series that is akin to it (except I think there may have been extra episodes added onto Making A Murder since I watched it IIRC). It was excellent. This thread is the first I've heard of The Staircase, so I haven't seen it yet. I would say there's a good chance I'll watch it at some point.Stunning endorsement.

[Spurtacular]

Stunning endorsement.

I didn't know I was supposed to be selling you. You would not like it; not the type of thing at all for someone on a blue pill regimen. :lol

[Pavlov]

I didn't know I was supposed to be selling you. You would not like it; not the type of thing for someone on a blue pill regimen at all. :lolIt's political?

In what way is the documentary you haven't watched political?

Discuss the 13-hour documentary of which you have watched zero minutes.

[Blake]

This just popped up on Netflix the other day. It was originally a 10 part doc about a man convicted of killing his wife in 2001. They just recently updated it with 3 more episodes. I never saw it when it first came out so it was new to me.

Probably the most riveting doc that I’ve ever seen. The accused was wealthy and had a film crew on hand just weeks after the death to document everything. The access that was given to the French film crew is unbelievable. They were in strategy sessions for both prosecution and defense. As well as the courtroom and jail.

So so as opposed to many true crime docs that involve recreations or interviews years later, this captures the events while they were happening.

9/10.

The last three add on episodes were kind of slow. Some interesting moments but could have been done in one hour or maybe 90 minutes.

But the first 10 are incredibly compelling.

Yeah, I wasn't sure about it but once I watched the first episode, I ended up binging it.

I concur with 9/10. Very well produced

[Spurtacular]

It's political?

In what way is the documentary you haven't watched political?

Discuss the 13-hour documentary of which you have watched zero minutes.

I was speaking of the one I had watched, obviously. Damn you desperate (for a W); Par.

[Pavlov]

I was speaking of the one I had watched, obviously. Damn you desperate (for a W); Par.Too bad this thread is about the one you haven't watched, obviously.

Is the one you watched political? Explain your talking about pills like an idiot.

[Spurtacular]

Yeah, I wasn't sure about it but once I watched the first episode, I ended up binging it.

I concur with 9/10. Very well produced
ChumpDumper Your fellow cuck endorses it. Would you all it a stunning endorsement?

[Pavlov]

ChumpDumper Your fellow cuck endorses it. Would you all it a stunning endorsement?He actually watched it, dumbass.

You're trying too hard.

[Spurtacular]

Too bad this thread is about the one you haven't watched, obviously.

You're the one that regarded a statement in which I told you I watched one, calling it an endorsement. Why would I sell you on one I haven't watched? You should try to think about shit logically next time.

[Spurtacular]

He actually watched it, dumbass.

You're trying too hard.

I never endorsed something I didn't watch, dumbass

If you're trying at all: :lmao

[Pavlov]

You're the one that regarded a statement in which I told you I watched one, calling it an endorsement. Why would I sell you on one I haven't watched? You should try to think about shit logically next time.Is the one you watched political? Explain your talking about pills like an idiot.

[Spurtacular]

Is the one you watched political? Explain your talking about pills like an idiot.

:lol Triggered AF.

Of course it's political; if you weren't ignorant you'd know that. But moving past politics, it's not for someone bluepilled cos it shatters your ideal that the system is infallible and that people in high positions don't regularly abuse it or collude.

[Pavlov]

:lol Triggered AF.

Of course it's political; if you weren't ignorant you'd know that. But moving past politics, it's not for someone bluepilled cos it shatters your ideal that the system is infallible and that people in high positions don't regularly abuse it or collude.:lol I never said any system was infallible. Quite the opposite for the criminal justice system tbh.

You're quite stupid.

lol "pills"

[Spurtacular]

:lol I never said any system was infallible. Quite the opposite for the criminal justice system tbh.

You're quite stupid.

lol "pills"

Oh, then you're beginning to understand how Hillary got away with her crimes. Way to get there, sport.

[AaronY]

Oh its this kind of thread again

[Spurtacular]

Oh its this kind of thread again

Prosecutor and queef Chump on the case.

[Reck]

There are exceptions, but 13 hours on a single murder won't be one of them. To each his own.

Ken Burns's stuff are master pieces but they are slow by their own nature. And about a particular subject.

I dont see a difference between this and say..the Baseball series. All interesting to me all the same.

[Spurtacular]

Ken Burns's stuff are master pieces but they are slow by their own nature. And about a particular subject.

I dont see a difference between this and say..the Baseball series. All interesting to me all the same.

If chump wants to be a geriatric, that's his right. :lol

[Pavlov]

Oh, then you're beginning to understand how Hillary got away with her crimes. Way to get there, sport.Which crimes are those.

[Spurtacular]

Which crimes are those.

Well understanding doesn't have to exclude sperm shielding, though. We did what we could for you. :lol

[Pavlov]

Ken Burns's stuff are master pieces but they are slow by their own nature. And about a particular subject.

I dont see a difference between this and say..the Baseball series. All interesting to me all the same.Considering the time and depth of Burns' subjects, I can see spending the hours to take in those. Not this one. Just personal preference.

I mean I did like Evil Genius. Four episodes is good. Six was pushing it with Wild Wild Country but the amount of archival footage they had was impressive.

[Pavlov]

Well understanding doesn't have to exclude sperm shielding, though. We did what we could for you. :lol:lol No, you didn't do what you could. You could actually say what you think her crimes are, but you shit your pants every time.

[Spurtacular]

:lol No, you didn't do what you could. You could actually say what you think her crimes are, but you shit your pants every time.

You sperm shielding by your own definition. :lmao

[Pavlov]

You sperm shielding by your own definition. :lmaoYou're doing the same by your definition. :lmao

[Spurtacular]

You're doing the same by your definition. :lmao

You're sperm shielding by your own definition :lmao

[Pavlov]

You're sperm shielding by your own definition :lmaoYou shit your pants by any definition :lmao

[Spurtacular]

You shit your pants by any definition :lmao

You're just saying whatever stupid shit pops into your head. Hard to believe I used to have even an ounce of respect for your intellect, tbh.

[Pavlov]

You're just saying whatever stupid shit pops into your head. Hard to believe I used to have even an ounce of respect for your intellect, tbh.No, you clearly and thoroughly shit your pants every time you are asked what you think Hillary's crimes are.

You bring it up often and it's painfully easy to shoot you down with that simple question.

lol

[Spurtacular]

No, you clearly and thoroughly shit your pants every time you are asked what you think Hillary's crimes are.

You bring it up often and it's painfully easy to shoot you down with that simple question.

lol

You're a sperm shielder by your own definition. When that changes, I might take you seriously. In the meantime, you're just gonna keep butt posting.

[Pavlov]

You're a sperm shielder by your own definition. When that changes, I might take you seriously. In the meantime, you're just gonna keep butt posting.What is my definition again?

Show me a link to it.

[AaronY]

Another one of these threads. like 80% of the forum now

[Spurtacular]

What is my definition again?

Show me a link to it.

If this were you, you'd spend about 50 posts saying you've posted it already.

[Pavlov]

If this were you, you'd spend about 50 posts saying you've posted it already.But you haven't posted it even once.

Just like you haven't ever listed what you think are Hillary's crimes.

All you are going to do it shit yourself again.

lol

[Spurtacular]

But you haven't posted it even once.

Just like you haven't ever listed what you think are Hillary's crimes.

All you are going to do it shit yourself again.

lol

That's not even close to true.

[Pavlov]

That's not even close to true.Seriously, why you just simply can't list Hillary's crimes you keep bringing up in multiple thread?

[Spurtacular]

Seriously, why you just simply can't list Hillary's crimes you keep bringing up in multiple thread?

In any event, I made my point. You would spend two pages not listing a simple quote. I'm not a dipshit like you, though:



If you can't name any (Hillary's crimes), you are just semen shielding for her.

Yea, why can't you name Hillary's crimes? You just enjoy sperm shielding that much?

[Pavlov]

In any event, I made my point.I made my point -- you shit your pants.



Yea, why can't you name Hillary's crimes? You just enjoy sperm shielding that much?:lol That's your criterion. I was mocking you.

[Spurtacular]

:cry That's your criterion. I was mocking you. :cry

That's your criterion. Name Hillary's crimes or continue sperm shielding.

[Pavlov]

That's your criterion. Name Hillary's crimes or continue sperm shielding.:rollin You're too stupid to realize when you're being mocked.

lol

[Spurtacular]

:rollin You're too stupid to realize when you're being mocked.

lol

You were throwing out anything you could to try and get an answer; now you're crying. Par. :lol

[Pavlov]

You were throwing out anything you could to try and get an answer; now you're crying. Par. :lol:lol I knew you were never going to answer the first time you shit your pants.

Now I just make you shit your pants for fun.

Works every time.

Every time.

lol

[Spurtacular]

:lol I knew you were never going to answer the first time you shit your pants.

Now I just make you shit your pants for fun.

Works every time.

Every time.

lol

Talking circles around your statement won't unmake it. You've classified yourself as a Hillary sperm shielder. :lol

[Pavlov]

Talking circles around your statement won't unmake it. You've classified yourself as a Hillary sperm shielder. :lol:lmao I can't make you understand simple mocking.

You're just too stupid.

You also shit your pants.

Again.

At my command.

lol

[Spurtacular]

:lmao I can't make you understand simple mocking.

You're just too stupid.

You also shit your pants.

Again.

At my command.

lol

Butt posting won't unmake the statement either. :lol

[Pavlov]

Butt posting won't unmake the statement either. :lol:lol buzzword deflection attempt.

You still shit your pants.

You can't unshit them.

lol

[Spurtacular]

:lol buzzword deflection attempt.

You still shit your pants.

You can't unshit them.

lol

Cheap come-ons won't unmake the statement either. :lol

[BD24]

Watched this the last few days. Made it through the first 8 episodes. Better than making a murderer imo. It was far more objective than MAM. MAM left out a ton of evidence that made that fuck look guilty.

super interesting

[Spurtacular]

I haven't watched it the last few days; but it is good to have on in the background. Props to SpursforSix (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49684)

[Spurtacular]

Watched this the last few days. Made it through the first 8 episodes. Better than making a murderer imo. It was far more objective than MAM. MAM left out a ton of evidence that made that fuck look guilty.

super interesting

Such as?

[BD24]

Such as?
Feel free to look it up. A quick google search will net you the results you want.

I thought he was possibly innocent after watching the doc, did my own research afterwards and there was a lot of shit they left out that made him look very guilty.

[BD24]

Such as?
This should be helpful

https://onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/evidenceagainstavery.html

[Reck]

I haven't watched it the last few days; but it is good to have on in the background. Props to SpursforSix (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49684)

No wonder you’re always coming off as misinformed on pretty much every subject here.

[Reck]

This should be helpful

https://onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/evidenceagainstavery.html

Most of what’s on that list can be planted. Specially the DNA since the police already had access to his. Either way, this case was mishandled and there is plenty of reasonable doubt. Not a clear or clean cut case, imo.

[Spurtacular]

No wonder you’re always coming off as misinformed on pretty much every subject here.

What are you tranny menstruating about?

[Spurtacular]

Feel free to look it up. A quick google search will net you the results you want.

I thought he was possibly innocent after watching the doc, did my own research afterwards and there was a lot of shit they left out that made him look very guilty.

I haven't watched it in four years or something, so I'm not that eager to go searching; figured you might have something brewing you wanted to put out there.

[Reck]

What are you tranny menstruating about?

Who puts TV shows or movies they haven't seen on as background noise? Usually you do that when you have seen something and just want to have it on while you do something else---like in your case whack off to tranny porn.

[Spurtacular]

Who puts TV shows or movies they haven't seen on as background noise? Usually you do that when you have seen something and just want to have it on while you do something else---like in your case whack off to tranny porn.

Wow, you challenge the stupidest shit. Did I say background noise, or is that your term? In any event, I was able to catch the gist of the episodes while doing other stuff. Apparently, you need to cuddle up in a blanky with a tub of popcorn though. That's fine cos your tranny brain is not that adept. :lol

[Reck]

Wow, you challenge the stupidest shit. Did I say background noise, or is that your term? In any event, I was able to catch the gist of the episodes while doing other stuff. Apparently, you need to cuddle up in a blanky with a tub of popcorn though. That's fine cos your tranny brain is not that adept. :lol

Looks to me you do not know--or are completely confusing the term----yet again.

I'm not surprise and I'm not going to bother to explain what having a show or movie "in the background" means to you.

[Spurtacular]

Looks to me you do not know--or are completely confusing the term----yet again.

I'm not surprise and I'm not going to bother to explain what having a show or movie "in the background" means to you.

:lol Tranny meltdown.

Amuse me and tell me what having a show on in the bacground means to me. (I type as 'The Staircase' plays in the background )

[BD24]

Most of what’s on that list can be planted. Specially the DNA since the police already had access to his. Either way, this case was mishandled and there is plenty of reasonable doubt. Not a clear or clean cut case, imo.
Ehh there is a few things that are pretty damning on that list imo. Specifically asking for the photographer, the missed calls from him, then add that to the DNA evidence. I think its tough to see him as not guilty tbh.

With that said the case was definitely mishandled. The police offers who handled it were definitely crooked. I feel like they had a much better case built against him though than the case built against the guy from the Staircase imo.

[SpursforSix]

Ehh there is a few things that are pretty damning on that list imo. Specifically asking for the photographer, the missed calls from him, then add that to the DNA evidence. I think its tough to see him as not guilty tbh.

With that said the case was definitely mishandled. The police offers who handled it were definitely crooked. I feel like they had a much better case built against him though than the case built against the guy from the Staircase imo.

What’s fucked up about the Staircase...or I guess the system, is that most normal people would have been convicted. For most of the show, I couldn’t get away from how much Peterson’s defense must have cost. I remember early on, he and his brother were talking about it being $750,000 instead of $500,000. And iirc, that was well before the first trial.

[SpursforSix]

Also...check out the Owl Theory on the web. I heard a podcast about it. Pretty interesting that they found feathers in her hand and wood in her hair.

[BD24]

What’s fucked up about the Staircase...or I guess the system, is that most normal people would have been convicted. For most of the show, I couldn’t get away from how much Peterson’s defense must have cost. I remember early on, he and his brother were talking about it being $750,000 instead of $500,000. And iirc, that was well before the first trial.
Yea, the director of the seires wanted to show that even with money its tough to fight the system.

To your point as well there is a point where Peterson says "what do people who don't have money do". Basically talks about how he is fortunate enough to be able to afford a great defense team, but its easy as hell for the system to pick apart people who can't afford a good lawyer.

[BD24]

Also...check out the Owl Theory on the web. I heard a podcast about it. Pretty interesting that they found feathers in her hand and wood in her hair.
I checked it out, it isn't the most outlandish theory I have ever heard, but idk. Seems a bit farfetched tbh.

[SpursforSix]

I checked it out, it isn't the most outlandish theory I have ever heard, but idk. Seems a bit farfetched tbh.

I agree and they were right not to bring it up. I would have been like wtf. But the fact that owl attacks are fairly well documented gives it some plausibility. But have no idea how it would have been in the house.

The blowpoke turninh up was weird.

[BD24]

I agree and they were right not to bring it up. I would have been like wtf. But the fact that owl attacks are fairly well documented gives it some plausibility. But have no idea how it would have been in the house.

The blowpoke turninh up was weird.
Yea, that was really fucking odd. The prosecutors thought this was there weapon and somehow they didn't find it when they searched the house? Even one of the lawyers said it was sitting in plain sight.

[Reck]

So I just saw the first 8 episodes of this and who was it that said this was better than Making A murderer?

They lied. This wasn't as compelling I thought.

The first 8 original episodes I thought he was definitely guilty of something. I dont know of anyone facing murder charges to act so cooly and non chelantly like he did. Both prosecutor and defense team were pretty amateurish too.

The later and newer episodes did a much better job showing how the prosecutors rigged the trial to set him up to fail. I think that alone not only did deserved a new trial but also out right dismiss the case.

In the end he may have done it but also it wasn't proven so his name should be clear. Instead he had to settled for manslaughter which was a raw deal. Then again, I still think he may have something to do with the death of the lady.

Never got past all the blood tbh.

[Capt Bringdown]

Since this show is getting compared to Netflix's Making of a Murderer, FWIW, this series was not produced by Netflix. It was produced and released independently by French filmmaker Jean-Xavier de Lestrade and originally came out in 2004, with new episodes added later. This series is widely well-regarded by documentary fans, and it has won a Peabody award.

Jean-Xavier de Lestrade also made this documentary, Murder On a Sunday Morning, which won an Oscar for best documentary. If you found Making of a Murderer & The Staircase interesting, I highly recommend this film.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/717So-AVCrL._SY445_.jpg

[SpursforSix]

So I just saw the first 8 episodes of this and who was it that said this was better than Making A murderer?

They lied. This wasn't as compelling I thought.

The first 8 original episodes I thought he was definitely guilty of something. I dont know of anyone facing murder charges to act so cooly and non chelantly like he did. Both prosecutor and defense team were pretty amateurish too.

The later and newer episodes did a much better job showing how the prosecutors rigged the trial to set him up to fail. I think that alone not only did deserved a new trial but also out right dismiss the case.

In the end he may have done it but also it wasn't proven so his name should be clear. Instead he had to settled for manslaughter which was a raw deal. Then again, I still think he may have something to do with the death of the lady.

Never got past all the blood tbh.

I think I said it was "up there" with MOM.

He was a pretty weird dude and grew to be more unlikable as the series went on. But he did get fucked by the system.
I'm 50/50 about whether he was guilty or not. If it was a planned murder, then I think he's smart enough to have done a better job.
And there was no evidence that he'd ever had a violent temper that caused him to be physical with someone.
Still...the falling down the staircase doesn't seem like a great fit.

[SpursforSix]

Since this show is getting compared to Netflix's Making of a Murderer, FWIW, this series was not produced by Netflix. It was produced and released independently by French filmmaker Jean-Xavier de Lestrade and originally came out in 2004, with new episodes added later. This series is widely well-regarded by documentary fans, and it has won a Peabody award.

Jean-Xavier de Lestrade also made this documentary, Murder On a Sunday Morning, which won an Oscar for best documentary. If you found Making of a Murderer & The Staircase interesting, I highly recommend this film.

I actually did watch that one as well. It was pretty good but I don't think it would win an Oscar in today's times.

[Spurtacular]

This should be helpful

https://onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/evidenceagainstavery.html

13 and 14 are the biggest points; don't know why they put those last. It's been too long since I saw the documentary; but these seem to be the types of plants the cops were notoriously caught doing. Adding blood, finding alleged evidence long after the fact.

[Spurtacular]

***

[Capt Bringdown]

I actually did watch that one as well. It was pretty good but I don't think it would win an Oscar in today's times.

Seems to me a well-crafted documentary that is very relevant to today. What's changed, in your view, that makes this non-Oscar worthy?

[SpursforSix]

Seems to me a well-crafted documentary that is very relevant to today. What's changed, in your view, that makes this non-Oscar worthy?

I'm not saying it wasn't very good and Oscar worthy at the time. But there are so many poignant docs today with relevant stories that are done better. I just don't think it would win an award.

[Chucho]

Yeah, wasn't as good as Making a Murderer.

If you have Amazon Prime, all three of the Paradise Lost docs are on it right now. Awesome shit right there and since the three parts progress over the course of 20 years, it's pretty god damned good stuff and a case we all grew up with- the West Memphis Three.

[SpursforSix]

Yeah, wasn't as good as Making a Murderer.

If you have Amazon Prime, all three of the Paradise Lost docs are on it right now. Awesome shit right there and since the three parts progress over the course of 20 years, it's pretty god damned good stuff and a case we all grew up with- the West Memphis Three.

Those are excellent. Although I only remember 2. Hopefully I have one more to watch.

[Reck]

I'm not saying it wasn't very good and Oscar worthy at the time. But there are so many poignant docs today with relevant stories that are done better. I just don't think it would win an award.

I also think the episodic kind of way documentaries are done now is way more in-depth.

I still like feature film documentaries but with those, it's pretty much one shot. You dont get to find out the ultimate fate.

[SpursforSix]

I also think the episodic kind of way documentaries are done now is way more in-depth.

I still like feature film documentaries but with those, it's pretty much one shot. You dont get to find out the ultimate fate.

Yeah...that's a good point. Although I think some of the series stretch out the story for too long. I'm assuming they get paid to deliver x amount of episodes.
I do like the shorter commitment to a feature film doc. If it sucks, it sucks. But a series can go from being great to sucking pretty quick. Or vice versa.
And once I'm in to it for a few episodes, I'll usually make myself finish it.

[leemajors]

I also think the episodic kind of way documentaries are done now is way more in-depth.

I still like feature film documentaries but with those, it's pretty much one shot. You dont get to find out the ultimate fate.

I'll still take a Herzog doc over any of these.

[SpursforSix]

I'll still take a Herzog doc over any of these.

Talk to me about your top 5 fastest Herzog docs.

For real though...looking through his filmography, I realize I've only seen a couple. I have Into the Abyss in my queue but haven't got around to watching it. Also, Into the Inferno.
But would appreciate any recommendations.

[leemajors]

Talk to me about your top 5 fastest Herzog docs.

For real though...looking through his filmography, I realize I've only seen a couple. I have Into the Abyss in my queue but haven't got around to watching it. Also, Into the Inferno.
But would appreciate any recommendations.

Into the Abyss is great. He leaves a lot out, but that is part of what makes it so entertaining. Grizzly Man of course, Cave of Forgotten Dreams, Encounters at the End of the World, My Best Fiend.

[pgardn]

SFS thanks again.

Dont matter how good, it is extraordinary for the look inside, the access. Which could have been drawn out longer. They could have spent more time on the blood splatter stuff in the beginning. Which begs the question of why this idiot of a crime scene recreator was not called on his ludicrous stuff by the defense early on. He had given horribly shitty “lectures” to colleagues and they had been astounded. He had to be snagged later by a different case and attorney.

I think there are many different interesting aspects to the series. For example, who wants to be a trial lawyer having to basically put on a small Hollywood production for 12 people... ? All the work getting the visuals in the right order, etc... all that was missing was music. Good luck Spurraider. My dad does not even do trial work, reads and makes real estate contracts all day and yells at clients... funnnnn

People stuff:
Also the way the children reacted.... The bisexuality “skeletons”.... The defendants close association with the city while living a very comfortable life and lying about his Vietnam injury (stuff comes back theme) His ability to love his wife and then going off to drill the military men’s visual calendar. She’s fine with it?

Good stuff...

Glad you put it up. Keep doing this, don’t even have to rate it if it’s compelling. You cost me some good sleep hrs though. 2 episodes per night.

[SpursforSix]

SFS thanks again.

Dont matter how good, it is extraordinary for the look inside, the access. Which could have been drawn out longer. They could have spent more time on the blood splatter stuff in the beginning. Which begs the question of why this idiot of a crime scene recreator was not called on his ludicrous stuff by the defense early on. He had given horribly shitty “lectures” to colleagues and they had been astounded. He had to be snagged later by a different case and attorney.

I think there are many different interesting aspects to the series. For example, who wants to be a trial lawyer having to basically put on a small Hollywood production for 12 people... ? All the work getting the visuals in the right order, etc... all that was missing was music. Good luck Spurraider. My dad does not even do trial work, reads and makes real estate contracts all day and yells at clients... funnnnn

People stuff:
Also the way the children reacted.... The bisexuality “skeletons”.... The defendants close association with the city while living a very comfortable life and lying about his Vietnam injury (stuff comes back theme) His ability to love his wife and then going off to drill the military men’s visual calendar. She’s fine with it?

Good stuff...

Glad you put it up. Keep doing this, don’t even have to rate it if it’s compelling. You cost me some good sleep hrs though. 2 episodes per night.

Good thoughts there.

I would have liked to hear more about the splatter but I'm assuming the director had the original episodes pretty planned out. And I assume he didn't have an unlimited budget.

Which reminds me...at some point, I thought I heard some comment in the series about Peterson paying for or initiating the documentary. Which would make sense. The crew was on the scene so quickly that it's hard to imagine a French director being able to hear about the story through the news and then mobilize so quickly. More plausible that Peterson reached out to them. And if so, I think he would have had to guarantee them some kind of money. At least until the director believed the story worthy of additional funding.

But back to the splatter, I was surprised (and I'm not sure if this is standard procedure) that 1) the blood was left on the wall for so long and 2) that examining after so much time was still considered a valid procedure.
I would have liked to see more explanation for the different blood splatter pics which the prosecution's witness called "glitches".

As to trial lawyers, I'm not surprised that one was willing to do the documentary. Rudolf seems to have a huge ego and certainly didn't look uncomfortable around the camera. I'd like to hear the timeline of when the doc crew came on and when Rudolf agreed to represent. Wondering if Peterson hired Rudolf based on his willingness and ability to work on film. And also wonder if Rudolf eventually got off the case due to Peterson's financial situation (not being able to pay) or as he said, that it was too emotionally draining.

Yeah...the family dynamics were interesting. While I was watching it, I assumed that Peterson had a fairly unlimited amount of money and that the kids were all "set" and might possibly be supporting him just to stay in the will (at least the two non-biological kids). But after reading more on the internet, almost all of the net worth was from his dead wife. Also read that they lived way beyond their means. Not sure if the kids new all this but I get the sense that regardless of Peterson's quirks, he genuinely did have great relationships with all of the children. It is hard to imagine that the wife was OK with Peterson's secret life. Not as hard to imagine his bio kids and the two girls accepting it. But that was probably a major factor in the deceased's daughter turning against Peterson.

All interesting stuff to me.

[Spurminator]

Good series. I still don't know what happened or whether I believe he's guilty or not, but the prosecution put up a pretty lousy case against him. I also didn't think Peterson's main lawyer read the room very well... He came off way too big-league New York attorney during his opening and closing statements, which probably didn't play well with the jury.

[Blake]

I feel like even his own attorney has no idea after all this time if he did it or not

[SpursforSix]

I feel like even his own attorney has no idea after all this time if he did it or not

I agree. Although he has come out later and said that the Owl Theory is very plausible. But they didn't think about it in time to make that part of their strategy.
It sounds crazy as hell but it would explain some things.

[Blake]

The Owl theory is interesting for sure. I think it's just enough to put me on the side of he didn't do it.

But just barely. The other staircase death in Europe kinda bothered me.

Also, the dude is just strange.

[Spurminator]

If I had to pick the most plausible explanation, it's that he probably pushed her down the stairs in a fit of rage and killed her. And if that's the case, he still probably should have gotten off because the prosecution opted for the First Degree (premeditated) Murder charge. There simply wasn't a case beyond a reasonable doubt that this was more than a crime of passion.

[SpursforSix]

The Owl theory is interesting for sure. I think it's just enough to put me on the side of he didn't do it.

But just barely. The other staircase death in Europe kinda bothered me.

Also, the dude is just strange.

Yeah...as crazy as it sounds, if I had to pick, I'd say the owl theory is the most likely with the evidence at hand.
Finding feathers and her own hair in her hand. And the fact that owl attacks are a real thing. It would explain the wounds and lack
of skull fracturing.

But he's such an odd dude that he comes across as someone who could do this and believe he was smart enough to get out of it.
Whereas, he could be just a weird dude.

But yeah...the Eurpope death. Crazy coincidence.

[Reck]

The daughter turned out to be a hot redhead though.

What happened to the brother btw? He dissapeared in the new episodes. They seem close.

[Spurtacular]

The daughter turned out to be a hot redhead though.


By your tranny standards, I suppose.

[cd021]

Far more interesting that Making a Murderer. I find Peterson to be a far more compelling person than Avery

[cd021]

If I had to pick the most plausible explanation, it's that he probably pushed her down the stairs in a fit of rage and killed her. And if that's the case, he still probably should have gotten off because the prosecution opted for the First Degree (premeditated) Murder charge. There simply wasn't a case beyond a reasonable doubt that this was more than a crime of passion.

I don't think that was what he was accused of; I think they were saying that he hit her in the head with the blow poke and from behind (she was only like 6 steps up the staircase) and she fell backwards then he hit her several more times.

Thing is I don't buy the motive but all of the blood is hard to ignore.

[cd021]

The daughter turned out to be a hot redhead though.

What happened to the brother btw? He dissapeared in the new episodes. They seem close.

She dyed her hair in the most recent episodes but she's kinda cute even though she sounds like a modern hippy.

[cd021]

Yeah...as crazy as it sounds, if I had to pick, I'd say the owl theory is the most likely with the evidence at hand.
Finding feathers and her own hair in her hand. And the fact that owl attacks are a real thing. It would explain the wounds and lack
of skull fracturing.

But he's such an odd dude that he comes across as someone who could do this and believe he was smart enough to get out of it.
Whereas, he could be just a weird dude.

But yeah...the Eurpope death. Crazy coincidence.

I found him more eccentric than odd, I've met people like that who are just hard to read in the ways that you mentioned.

The Germany think is a coincidence but I don't think he actually did that one. No one though so back then and the woman had medical issues leading up to the fall. Its sort of odd that he would kill her and then offer to adopt her daughters. I think the judge should've never let that in.

[SpursforSix]

I found him more eccentric than odd, I've met people like that who are just hard to read in the ways that you mentioned.

The Germany think is a coincidence but I don't think he actually did that one. No one though so back then and the woman had medical issues leading up to the fall. Its sort of odd that he would kill her and then offer to adopt her daughters. I think the judge should've never let that in.

For sure. Agree totally about the Europe death. And the girls had no doubt themselves.

[cd021]

For sure. Agree totally about the Europe death. And the girls had no doubt themselves.

Besides Deaver, I think Germany and the Gay stuff kept him from getting anywhere close to a fair trial.

I didn't buy the motive; she found out that he was bi and he had to kill her? It didn't strike me as an super conservative family, the opposite in fact, I could see them having some type of arrangement.

Even the male prostitute (that whole scene was pretty funny) mentioned that he frequently mentioned his wife, whereas other men opted never to bring it up, as if he had no issue talking about it- like he wasn't concerned with being caught.

[SpursforSix]

Besides Deaver, I think Germany and the Gay stuff kept him from getting anywhere close to a fair trial.

I didn't buy the motive; she found out that he was bi and he had to kill her? It didn't strike me as an super conservative family, the opposite in fact, I could see them having some type of arrangement.

Even the male prostitute (that whole scene was pretty funny) mentioned that he frequently mentioned his wife, whereas other men opted never to bring it up, as if he had no issue talking about it- like he wasn't concerned with being caught.

One thing that was never brought up was the 1.5 million life insurance policy. Which would have been an interesting aspect to know while watching. The bi thing hurt Peterson but I agree that it didn’t contribute to the death. Whether he killed her or not.

Which I lean to not.

[cd021]

One thing that was never brought up was the 1.5 million life insurance policy. Which would have been an interesting aspect to know while watching. The bi thing hurt Peterson but I agree that it didn’t contribute to the death. Whether he killed her or not.

Which I lean to not.

They lived in a mansion, its not like they were hurting for money though. I think Peterson was smart enough to know that if you kill the person that is ensured then you don't get the money. I don't know if I buy that either.

[SpursforSix]

They lived in a mansion, its not like they were hurting for money though. I think Peterson was smart enough to know that if you kill the person that is ensured then you don't get the money. I don't know if I buy that either.

Supposedly they were in a bunch of debt and lived way outside their means. You saw that he ended up in a modest apartment and had to sell the house. It only took 1,000,000 in legal fees to break him. Which I get is a lot but seems like a small amount compared to what the property would indicate.

I don’t think he killed her for the money either. If he had, he was smart enough to have not beat her to death.
But mentioning that angle and their financial situation would have added another facet to the series.

[Spurminator]

I don't think that was what he was accused of; I think they were saying that he hit her in the head with the blow poke and from behind (she was only like 6 steps up the staircase) and she fell backwards then he hit her several more times.

Right, that's my point. I think their accusation was off. It's possible that he killed her in a number of different ways from the story the prosecution pieced together, several of which might not have qualified as First Degree murder charges.

[Reck]

Well he can now write a book about how he got fucked over. It would sell.

[Spurtacular]

Cautionary tale for cuck Blake (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3460) and tranny Reck (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412) to lay off the dick, tbh.

[Reck]

Cautionary tale for cuck Blake (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3460) and tranny Reck (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412) to lay off the dick, tbh.

Why are you thinking about cocks at 12AM, derp?

Also, why are you making those kind of comments on a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with a murder case?

[Spurtacular]

Why are you thinking about cocks at 12AM, derp?

Also, why are you making those kind of comments on a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with a murder case?

I don't live in your time zone; but :lol at your for rounding up so liberally all the same. And "cautionary tale" obviously does relate.

SMH Today's tranny.

[Blake]

Cautionary tale for cuck Blake (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3460) and tranny Reck (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412) to lay off the dick, tbh.

Crying in the night

[koriwhat]

This just popped up on Netflix the other day. It was originally a 10 part doc about a man convicted of killing his wife in 2001. They just recently updated it with 3 more episodes. I never saw it when it first came out so it was new to me.

Probably the most riveting doc that I’ve ever seen. The accused was wealthy and had a film crew on hand just weeks after the death to document everything. The access that was given to the French film crew is unbelievable. They were in strategy sessions for both prosecution and defense. As well as the courtroom and jail.

So so as opposed to many true crime docs that involve recreations or interviews years later, this captures the events while they were happening.

9/10.

The last three add on episodes were kind of slow. Some interesting moments but could have been done in one hour or maybe 90 minutes.

But the first 10 are incredibly compelling.

there's 3 more added? i'll have to check.

that dude totally killed his wife and an ex. no doubt. dude is weird as fuck. and his writings about killing, even though fiction, seem to real of an account.

[Reck]

there's 3 more added? i'll have to check.

that dude totally killed his wife and an ex. no doubt. dude is weird as fuck. and his writings about killing, even though fiction, seem to real of an account.

The dude is a writer. That's why he took up novels. He can write and sell a story.

It's 50/50 on whether he did it or not. The prosecutors fucked up beyond belief.

[koriwhat]

The dude is a writer. That's why he took up novels. He can write and sell a story.

It's 50/50 on whether he did it or not. The prosecutors fucked up beyond belief.

the reason i said what i said was based more on the writings found in his lock box in that vault. creepy shit.

[johnsmith]

Thank you to the OP for posting this thread. My wife and I ended up watching t over the course of about a week. Great documentary....enjoyed it more than MAM.

[johnsmith]

Also, I don’t think he did it. He’s weird as fuck and definitely over dramatic, but not a murderer. And if he did do it, the prosecution did nothing to convince me of that.

[pgardn]

I think I remember him saying in an early episode his wife joked about his other life. Later he said he never told her and don’t know for sure how he would have taken it. Does anyone else recall this?