Woj: Spurs are declining to match Kyle Anderson’s four-year, $37M offer sheet

[BatManu20]

Spurs officially decline.


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[Ron Swanson]

He’s gone.

[NASpurs]

:lol what a glorious day

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[jeebus]

Spurs officially decline. per woj

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[Mikeanaro]

Yeah, Spurs declining.

[BatManu20]

Spurs officially decline.


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[NASpurs]

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[HarlemHeat37]

Good for him and not a huge concern for the Spurs, either IMO..

He's going to be a nice fantasy sleeper, probably something like 14-8-4 with 2 steals..

[MoSpur02]

Someone check on SAGirl

[benefactor]

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[BatManu20]

Right move. While I like Kyle more than most here, there's no reason to give him a 4-yr guaranteed deal if we're about to enter a rebuild, which it appears we are. Keep as much money off the books as possible heading into next Summer.

Thanks for everything KA and good luck in Memphis.

[Mr. Body]

Officially, that's too bad. Good luck to him, and moving on.

[dabom]

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:lol

[K...]

cue the circle jerk....lets keep it going all night.

[313]

:tu

[LittleCriminal]

Spurs FO proved my point...
Kyle sucked ass..
Memphis is stuck with him ��

[Hoops Czar]

Right move. While I like Kyle more than most, there's no reason to give him a 4-yr guaranteed deal if we're about to enter a rebuild, which it appears we are.

Thanks for everything KA and good luck in Memphis.


That's what you say to 30 something player, not a 25 year old. Maybe you didn't like him as much as you thought.

[NASpurs]

At least he helped get us a Summer League championship though. They'll hang his jersey in the rafters for that one.

[noles1983]

Keep the purge going, too many useless fucks on this team. Gasol and Mills need to GTFO next.

[FkLA]

If you think he sucks you're a retard.

Goodbye Fathead. Best of luck in Memphis. It's going to suck seeing him putting up 12-6-5 with above average defense.

[sasaint]

I am very surprised. I thought PATFO valued his contributions both on the floor and in the locker room. Plus, the team is getting smaller and smaller with very little cap space to work with.

[dabom]

I am very surprised. I thought PATFO valued his contributions both on the floor and in the locker room. Plus, the team is getting smaller and smaller with very little cap space to work with.

Not for 10 million you dumb fucks. :lol

[MoSpur02]

I liked Kyle. His defense is above average, but his lack of speed sometimes overshadows his defense. He was a smart player on offense. His 3pt shot wasn't all that.

I'm on the fence. I kinda wished they would've matched the offer. Best to him.

[sasaint]

Isn't Memphis as shooting-challenged as the Spurs? Not sure Kyle is gonna have great success in Memphis, either.

[LittleCriminal]

If you think he sucks you're a retard.

Goodbye Fathead. Best of luck in Memphis. It's going to suck seeing him putting up 12-6-5 with above average defense.

Here on earth 8-4-2 in 27min with the need of the help defense.

[picnroll]

No Parker. No Anderson. Bad day for all the Spurs trolls.

[raybies]

Wow. Color me surprised. Also weird to see them give Patty and Pau money and not this.

[LkrFan]

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:lol

[bklynspursfan]

Wow. Color me surprised. Also weird to see them give Patty and Pau money and not this.

We know why Patty/Pau got what they did. Even if folks disagree, there's reasons behind them

[LittleCriminal]

No Parker. No Anderson. Bad day for all the Spurs trolls.

Sucks for You trolls, who are you and SaGirl going to post about now?

[objective]

Well, I guess that's over with. Would have been good to have him through his age 28 season, would have been practical.

I guess they have another roster spot to take back a crappier player than Anderson when they swap Leonard out for peanuts

[ceperez]

I am very surprised. I thought PATFO valued his contributions both on the floor and in the locker room. Plus, the team is getting smaller and smaller with very little cap space to work with.

Yup, I thought the intangibles would keep him a Spur. Not happening.

PATFO perhaps measured him on what he did not do in the playoffs.

Roster now stands at:

Mills White
Murray Walker (Paul?) (Forbes?)
Green Belinelli (Blossomgame?)
Gay (Bertans?) (Metu?)
Aldridge Gasol

[dabom]

No Parker. No Anderson. Bad day for all the Spurs trolls.

The porker and fathead fluffers are the real losers here. On to the next shtick. :lol

[raybies]

We know why Patty/Pau got what they did. Even if folks disagree, there's reasons behind them
Well my point is Patty was what a 5 year deal? Pau was definitely a bad deal but I get the non guaranteed money. Kyles deal was decent if he did indeed start or play a big role. My only idea is that they are going cheap or they already have it covered.

[ceperez]

Well, I guess that's over with. Would have been good to have him through his age 28 season, would have been practical.

I guess they have another roster spot to take back a crappier player than Anderson when they swap Leonard out for peanuts

Spurs likely projecting a swap with another team. The reason they aren't keeping anyone.

Belinelli is a curious acquisition. Maybe Manu is gone.

[BatManu20]

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[LittleCriminal]

Someone check on SAGirl

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[BatManu20]

Wow. Color me surprised. Also weird to see them give Patty and Pau money and not this.

Maybe those awful contracts taught them a lesson tbh.

But as I stated before, it made no sense to give fathead 4-yrs guaranteed if we're trading Kawhi, which seems inevitable.

[sasaint]

Yup, I thought the intangibles would keep him a Spur. Not happening.

PATFO perhaps measured him on what he did not do in the playoffs.

Roster now stands at:

Mills White
Murray Walker (Paul?) (Forbes?)
Green Belinelli (Blossomgame?)
Gay (Bertans?) (Metu?)
Aldridge Gasol

Not sure if Manu sees this as a mess and moves on or rather a bunch of young Spurs who need some serious mentoring.

No names on that roster I really want to bank on.

[NASpurs]

Spurs didn't want to match for a "good" player that was offered a "decent" contract. Makes you think.

[SpursBills]

if they wanted cap space next season why give fucking belinelli a 2 year contract? would much rather have kyle @ 9 million than beli at 6

[spurraider21]

Right move. While I like Kyle more than most here, there's no reason to give him a 4-yr guaranteed deal if we're about to enter a rebuild, which it appears we are. Keep as much money off the books as possible heading into next Summer.

Thanks for everything KA and good luck in Memphis.
yep. it's unfortunate to lose him but would have been more unfortunate to commit that money to him

[MoSpur02]

Maybe the Spurs are getting back Morris as part of a deal with Boston. Maybe they offer the minimum to someone like Mbah a Moute.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

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lol this gif

good speed anderson.

[Budkin]

RIP FATHEAD

[DAF86]

Good for him and not a huge concern for the Spurs, either IMO..

He's going to be a nice fantasy sleeper, probably something like 14-8-4 with 2 steals..

Not really seeing that, tbh. I think more like 10 ppg, 6 rbds, 3 assts.

[spurraider21]

:lol 13 mil over the cap with 27 mil going to patty/pau and paying 16 to gay/marco

[loveforthegame]

Finally!!

[BatManu20]

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[noles1983]

:lol 13 mil over the cap with 27 mil going to patty/pau and paying 16 to gay/marco
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[sasaint]

Maybe those awful contracts taught them a lesson tbh.

But as I stated before, it made no sense to give fathead 4-yrs guaranteed if we're trading Kawhi, which seems inevitable.

Too bad PATFO learned the lesson so late (if they have).

I was kinda thinking that if PATFO definitely knew Kawhi was gone it made sense to re-sign Kyle - UNLESS they knew they were replenishing the frontcourt in the Kawhi trade.

[superbigtime]

:lol 13 mil over the cap with 27 mil going to patty/pau and paying 16 to gay/marco

yikes

[spursistan]

I also believe Anderson lacklustre playoffs performance vs the Warriors did him in. Spurs would have matched if he had a decent series and gave them something to look for in the future.

Sometimes the last impression carries the day when making these type of decisions.

[slick'81]

Spurscap is fucking awful

[Dex]

Surprised the Spurs didn't match, really. It's a reasonable deal for a player of Kyle's caliber, especially considering his age. He never really panned out to his "potential"...but he has been a good glue guy.

This is just another signal that the Spurs are getting ready for a potential rebuild. Flexibility will be key going forward, and locking down a low-to-middle tier player over four years hurts that, even if it is not a huge contract.

Sounds like he will get a potential starting spot in Memphis, so I wish him the best of luck!

[cjw]

If the Spurs were planning on competing, they would have matched. But they don’t think he’d be worth 3 / $28 a year from now and would rather take their chances with a min guy.

Four years in the system and he turned out to be mediocre. No need to extend that. Just try again.

And have the Spurs been wrong on letting anyone walk in recent years? Maybe with CoJo, but he’s a solid backup PG at best. Boban got overpaid, and Baynes only shined once he had the right matchups in the Philly series. Simmons = yuck (one of worst rotations guys this past year in his late 20s)

[Spurs9]

:danceclub

[MaNu4Tres]

The Patty and Pau deals were two first class tickets for a one way trip to the demise of the Kawhi/LMA post TD era.

After those two deals, the only hope to improve around the Kawhi/LMA core was to bank on the young draft picks who were buried beneath Tony, Patty, Manu, Green. It wasn't happening after those two deals.

[offset formation]

Right move. While I like Kyle more than most here, there's no reason to give him a 4-yr guaranteed deal if we're about to enter a rebuild, which it appears we are. Keep as much money off the books as possible heading into next Summer.

Thanks for everything KA and good luck in Memphis.

+1

[bklynspursfan]

Well my point is Patty was what a 5 year deal? Pau was definitely a bad deal but I get the non guaranteed money. Kyles deal was decent if he did indeed start or play a big role. My only idea is that they are going cheap or they already have it covered.

Patty was a 4 year I believe. But he was coming off a very reasonable 3/12 mill deal in 2014.

[LittleCriminal]

The Patty and Pau deals were two first class tickets for a one way trip to the demise of the Kawhi/LMA post TD era.

After those two deals, the only hope to improve around the Kawhi/LMA core was to bank on the young draft picks who were buried beneath Tony, Patty, Manu, Green. It wasn't happening after those two deals.

Totally Agree with you..
But now that the city of memphis has picked up the trash, the spurs FO can continue cleaning up the rest of the house.

[picnroll]

3 more years of Mills for $37 million.:vomit:

[Mikeanaro]

Where is SAGirl? maybe she joined the grizzlies message board and forgot about SA at all.
MEMGirl now.

[BatManu20]

3 more years of Mills for $37 million.:vomit:

REALLY hope we can offload him with Kawhi. Don't see it happening though.

[pad300]

Best of luck to Kyle, and I hope this isn't a screw up by the PATFO (although I think it is).

[spursreport]

REALLY hope we can offload him and KEEP Kawhi. Don't see it happening though.

[99 Problems]

Good luck to ‘The Gift From UCLA’. Good teammate. Will be fun watching him go up against Kawhi someplace, sometime, somewhere when uncle dennis gives kiwi the nod.

[timvp]

Welp, bye Kyle. At least it goes down as another very good pick by the front office. Most players picked at the end of the first round never see a second contract. Not only did KA get a second contract, he got a pretty damn nice one. Well done, FO ... and congrats Kyle :tu

Given Kyle's poor fit next to Murray and what we know about trade packages for nephew, I make the same call. Just can't match on a four-year contract for a role player that doesn't move the needle much in any likely scenario. Nephew comes back? Kyle's minutes get slashed. Nephew gets traded for Ingram, Covington, etc? Kyle's minutes get slashed. Spurs go to a full rebuild? Kyle's upside probably isn't high enough to invest big minutes.

Solid player but the fit just isn't there. If this were any point between 1998 and 2014, you probably match an MLE offer sheet for an average to slightly above average player. In 2018? Eh, I can't make a compelling case why you would.

[TheGreatYacht]

People in here acting like he's Simmons :lol

He's a scrub. His 8 points and 2 assists won't be missed. He will miss Pop's defensive system though. Expect his defensive metrics to drop like Dedmon's did.

[Spurs da champs]

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:lmao

[timvp]

Tbh, it does kinda suck that of the contracts given to Mills, Gasol, KA and Simmons, the Spurs went with quite likely the two worst contracts. But a third wrong wouldn't have made a right, I guess.

[spursreport]

Anderson sucked in the playoffs. Wasn’t worth keeping at that pricetag. While people here continue to curl up in the fetal position being submissive and all, this move doesn’t signal shit other than they aren’t overpaying for somebody who can’t step up in the playoffs. :lol The shit people have been saying as of late.

[SAGirl]

Best of luck to him.
Really happy for him. I remain as ever a Spurfan so it was bittersweet to learn about this but I do wish him the best.

Let's see what the next round of Spurs have in stock.

[dabom]

Tbh, it does kinda suck that of the contracts given to Mills, Gasol, KA and Simmons, the Spurs went with quite likely the two worst contracts. But a third wrong wouldn't have made a right, I guess.

MVPatty has been our best PG for years now. And we don't beat the rockets without Pau. And we were up vs the warriors when Kawhi went down. You don't fuck with the lineup that got you there. Those were all the right fucking moves you dummy. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Tbh, it does kinda suck that of the contracts given to Mills, Gasol, KA and Simmons, the Spurs went with quite likely the two worst contracts. But a third wrong wouldn't have made a right, I guess.
They also picked the wrong big 3 member to keep around, named the wrong young point guard the starter, signed the wrong Paul with the jersey #3, etc

R.C man. His career ended when Duncan's did.

[NASpurs]

Welp, bye Kyle. At least it goes down as another very good pick by the front office. Most players picked at the end of the first round never see a second contract. Not only did KA get a second contract, he got a pretty damn nice one. Well done, FO ... and congrats Kyle :tu

Given Kyle's poor fit next to Murray and what we know about trade packages for nephew, I make the same call. Just can't match on a four-year contract for a role player that doesn't move the needle much in any likely scenario. Nephew comes back? Kyle's minutes get slashed. Nephew gets traded for Ingram, Covington, etc? Kyle's minutes get slashed. Spurs go to a full rebuild? Kyle's upside probably isn't high enough to invest big minutes.

Solid player but the fit just isn't there. If this were any point between 1998 and 2014, you probably match an MLE offer sheet for an average to slightly above average player. In 2018? Eh, I can't make a compelling case why you would.

Pretty much, he just didn't really fit in any scenario for this team going forward especially if you consider his skill set. Not sure why some people here are surprised the Spurs didn't match. :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Tbh, it does kinda suck that of the contracts given to Mills, Gasol, KA and Simmons, the Spurs went with quite likely the two worst contracts. But a third wrong wouldn't have made a right, I guess.

Just cross out " quite likely" and I agree with everything you said.


Great to see you back timvp. Hope all is great on your end.

[sasaint]

Welp, bye Kyle. At least it goes down as another very good pick by the front office. Most players picked at the end of the first round never see a second contract. Not only did KA get a second contract, he got a pretty damn nice one. Well done, FO ... and congrats Kyle :tu

Given Kyle's poor fit next to Murray and what we know about trade packages for nephew, I make the same call. Just can't match on a four-year contract for a role player that doesn't move the needle much in any likely scenario. Nephew comes back? Kyle's minutes get slashed. Nephew gets traded for Ingram, Covington, etc? Kyle's minutes get slashed. Spurs go to a full rebuild? Kyle's upside probably isn't high enough to invest big minutes.

Solid player but the fit just isn't there. If this were any point between 1998 and 2014, you probably match an MLE offer sheet for an average to slightly above average player. In 2018? Eh, I can't make a compelling case why you would.

Great perspective. The thing that makes this surprising to me is the fact that Kyle is the longest tenured Spur after Manu, Danny, Kawhi and Patty. Spurs "culture" is cracking; will Pop try to reconstruct it with (possibly) only Danny and Patty as conduits?

[sasaint]

Best of luck to him.
Really happy for him. I remain as ever a Spurfan so it was bittersweet to learn about this but I do wish him the best.

Let's see what the next round of Spurs have in stock.

Gotta see who they are first.

[YoungbuckMurray]

You should get compensation (draft picks) for a team signing your RFA

[DeRozan m8]

Fantastic news

[daslicer]

He was never assertive enough here. I wish him the best of luck in Memphis. He might be a better player there since there will be no pressure for him to perform at a high level.

[look_at_g_shred]

A sign that the spurs are gonna sign Metu ?

[spursistan]

Best of luck to him.
Really happy for him. I remain as ever a Spurfan so it was bittersweet to learn about this but I do wish him the best.

Let's see what the next round of Spurs have in stock.
You're gonna sign up to a Grizzlies forum soon, tbh?

[ElNono]

Hopefully his insufferable fluffers follow him to Memphis, tbh

[dabom]

When the owners are fathead flufflers. :lmao

[SAGirl]

I also believe Anderson lacklustre playoffs performance vs the Warriors did him in. Spurs would have matched if he had a decent series and gave them something to look for in the future.

Sometimes the last impression carries the day when making these type of decisions.
What would you say about the rest of the guys that had a lackluster performance?

[apalisoc_9]

Lol theres already a memphisgirl account in the grizz forums

[ElNono]

Come on, the kid was a 3 year failed project. It's not about a series. He eventually got the playing time and role, and he made zero difference. $10m/year for a benchwarmer/minute burner makes no sense.

Time for the next project on a rookie deal.

[K...]

The problem with Kyle.is.that he is.too.young. if he were 35 spurs wouldn't.blink. ah well.crazy pafto. We'll.see.you.again.in 2023

[LittleCriminal]

People in here acting like he's Simmons :lol

He's a scrub. His 8 points and 2 assists won't be missed. He will miss Pop's defensive system though. Expect his defensive metrics to drop like Dedmon's did.

Preach!!

[Mugen]

It's a hot day here in LA but hearing that it's official...
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[picnroll]

Welp, bye Kyle. At least it goes down as another very good pick by the front office. Most players picked at the end of the first round never see a second contract. Not only did KA get a second contract, he got a pretty damn nice one. Well done, FO ... and congrats Kyle

Of the 30 players taken after Anderson in the draft there was one, Nokic, who’s had more success and Nokic was s fat slob at the time of the draft. There are several players taken earlier than Anderson that have busted out of the league, are hanging on by a fingernail or have signed awith worse contracts.

Lesson to be learned? Lot of stupid posters on Spurs talk.

[timtonymanu]

Come on, the kid was a 3 year failed project. It's not about a series. He eventually got the playing time and role, and he made zero difference. $10m/year for a benchwarmer/minute burner makes no sense.

Time for the next project on a rookie deal.

[K...]

Come on, the kid was a 3 year failed project. It's not about a series. He eventually got the playing time and role, and he made zero difference. $10m/year for a benchwarmer/minute burner makes no sense.

Time for the next project on a rookie deal.

What were.you.expecting from.him that you.call.him.a.failed project? The team.is.a.failed.project!

[dabom]

What were.you.expecting from.him that you.call.him.a.failed project? The team.is.a.failed.project!

Move your fucking thumb more down and you can space instead of put a period.

[LittleCriminal]

What were.you.expecting from.him that you.call.him.a.failed project? The team.is.a.failed.project!

If he wasn't a failure the FO would of kept him.. Lol

[SAGirl]

Good luck to ‘The Gift From UCLA’. Good teammate. Will be fun watching him go up against Kawhi someplace, sometime, somewhere when uncle dennis gives kiwi the nod.
:lol:bobo

I need jokes like this.

I am sad.

[SAGirl]

The Patty and Pau deals were two first class tickets for a one way trip to the demise of the Kawhi/LMA post TD era.

After those two deals, the only hope to improve around the Kawhi/LMA core was to bank on the young draft picks who were buried beneath Tony, Patty, Manu, Green. It wasn't happening after those two deals.
Your entire statement there is sad and got me sad M4tres. :depressed

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In typical Spurstalk fashion, they watch the disintegration of the Spurs but can't stop trolling.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Grizzlies overpaying for more non-needle moving roleplayers just because.

After all of this overpaying they still won't even make the playoffs.

[SAGirl]

Grizzlies overpaying for more non-needle moving roleplayers just because.

After all of this overpaying they still won't even make the playoffs.
Have some faith dude. You need to get Conley healthy first of all. Market was slim pickings. Saw that your other option was Nwaba. Hoping for the best for you all.I

There's very little to no needle moving roleplayers you can get at that price. Your draft pick hopefully helps.

Edit: t
the Parsons deal and Conley getting hurt sucked for you all.

[BatManu20]

It's a hot day here in LA but hearing that it's official...
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:lol Dude so fucking hot.. Got up to 114˚ in my neighborhood yesterday


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[KimmyGib]

Best wishes to Kyle. 6 months from now we'll be wishing Spurs had him instead of Belinelli.

[TheCerebral1]

Perfectly fine by me, he's boring cannot ball and to be honest vastly overrated. I would have been pissed if they used that kind of cap on him. Green at least can defend and hit a 3 every now and then.

[TheCerebral1]

Best wishes to Kyle. 6 months from now we'll be wishing Spurs had him instead of Belinelli.

Belinelli is just for the system as we purge this roster into obliteration.

[K...]

Perfectly fine by me, he's boring cannot ball and to be honest vastly overrated. I would have been pissed if they used that kind of cap on him. Green at least can defend and hit a 3 every now and then.

Past tense, green could at least shoot...Lmao

[ElNono]

What were.you.expecting from.him that you.call.him.a.failed project? The team.is.a.failed.project!

Summer League Anderson was great, tbh... that's his level...

at any rate, there's a grizzlies forum somewhere where you can gush about that scrub...

[SAGirl]

You're gonna sign up to a Grizzlies forum soon, tbh?
I might. I don't plan to stop being a Spurfan if that's what you want to know.

Actually it's probably going to be refreshing for me to read trolling about other Spurs. I am probably going to enjoy my stay more.

[Play Boban]

Spurs officially decline.


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[phxspurfan]

Bring on the blossom

[Marcus Bryant]

Fantastic. The rebuild is official.

[Marcus Bryant]

Of the 30 players taken after Anderson in the draft there was one, Nokic, who’s had more success and Nokic was s fat slob at the time of the draft. There are several players taken earlier than Anderson that have busted out of the league, are hanging on by a fingernail or have signed awith worse contracts.

Lesson to be learned? Lot of stupid posters on Spurs talk.

:tu

[SpurPadre]

Here on earth 8-4-2 in 27min with the need of the help defense.

THIS. What's with the flat-earther like mentality of these Fathead apologists?

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Not saying they should’ve matched but what exactly is the plan here? Rebuild?

[dabom]

Not saying they should’ve matched but what exactly is the plan here? Rebuild?

Not sign scrubs for that much. :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Not saying they should’ve matched but what exactly is the plan here? Rebuild?

Bitch about every non All-NBA player. As for the team, yes, rebuilding has begun.

[Dingle Barry]

If you think he sucks you're a retard.

Goodbye Fathead. Best of luck in Memphis. It's going to suck seeing him putting up 12-6-5 with above average defense.

5 apg? Yeah, no.

[cd98]

I don’t blame the Spurs for balking at paying Anderson that much cash, but with Leonard gone or holding out or just pulling a Vince Carter to get out of town, we got nothing at SF.

[superbigtime]

He simply wasn't very good, no moxy, mediocre. Good guy, likeable. Good luck fella.

[Holden_Caulfield]

good luck in Memphis Kyle. Nice to see a 30th pick get a nice deal.

[Dverde]

Fantastic. The rebuild is official.

Kyle was a decorative buttress in this last year’s shithouse. His contributions came and went by like a fart in the wind. Not a foundational player.

[TekXX]

So does Anderson know the Spurs aren't matching when he signs with Mempis or did he just assume the Spurs would match?

[HarlemHeat37]

So does Anderson know the Spurs aren't matching when he signs with Mempis or did he just assume the Spurs would match?

Pop usually has discussions with them regarding this at the start of the offseason, at least according to interviews with past free agents..

I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to leave this sinking ship..

[TekXX]

I think the Spurs should get players who are famous for being fast and not players who are known for being slow.

[szkorhetz]

If we could trade at least one of Gasol or Mills, I am calling off-season of the decade.

[BatManu20]

Spurs reportedly interested in Mbah a Moute. Makes sense. Just please God don't sign him to a multi-year deal..


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[SAGirl]

I think the Spurs should get players who are famous for being fast and not players who are known for being slow.
When you draft at 30 coming off a championship (2014) you get the best player that’s on the board when everyone else already had an opportunity to pick. If you end up with a rotation player you count your blessings and move on.

[TimDunkem]

Too bad Anderson wasn't the best available.

[Chomag]

Spurs are 13 MIL over the cap with this shit roster? I wish I didn't see that as funny but lol

[raybies]

Too bad Anderson wasn't the best available.
don't remind me... i wanted jokic that year.. as was my part then i wanted a big like 3 to 4 years in a row.

[szkorhetz]

Grizz board is all over this signing.
He could florish in their system, no doubt, was no match for us

[polandprzem]

We are losing good defender and have nothing in exchange

[Spursfanfromafar]

Cheers SAgirl. Kyle did much better than the average 30th pick. Best wishes to him.

[Seventyniner]

Pop usually has discussions with them regarding this at the start of the offseason, at least according to interviews with past free agents..

I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to leave this sinking ship..

If the Spurs are a sinking ship then the Grizzlies are Davy Jones's Locker.

[-21-]

I was looking forward to seeing the forehead bros in action but I guess that won't happen. :lol

[objective]

The Patty and Pau deals were two first class tickets for a one way trip to the demise of the Kawhi/LMA post TD era.

After those two deals, the only hope to improve around the Kawhi/LMA core was to bank on the young draft picks who were buried beneath Tony, Patty, Manu, Green. It wasn't happening after those two deals.

Sadly true. I suppose that even if the Spurs had made the right moves that Kawhi would still have been corrupted by the vultures.

But the Spurs still messed up on those signings.

[Rocalcio]

:depressed

[jermaine]

Losing Anderson will hurt more than losing Parker. Anderson was smart as fuck am knew where to on the court. His game was ugly as fuck but it worked. Griz will let him run point sometimes which is what Pop should've done.

[spurs10]

Congratulations to Kyle. Like Boban, he’s getting paid and will be set for life thanks to Pop and the Spurs.

[jermaine]

Congratulations to Kyle. Like Boban, he’s getting paid and will be set for life thanks to Pop and the Spurs.

Tbh, what playerleft the Spurs an had great success? So you're right. They look good in Pops system an teams thinks they're more than what they really are. Like KD callin Kawhi a system player.

[cutewizard]

Congratulations to Kyle. Like Boban, he’s getting paid and will be set for life thanks to Pop and the Spurs.


Wow the Spurs build lives

[JPB]

Tbh, what playerleft the Spurs an had great success? So you're right. They look good in Pops system an teams thinks they're more than what they really are. Like KD callin Kawhi a system player.

That's what some players and agents don't properly measure. Simmons, Dedmon, Kyle, Boban, CoJo recently, dudes like Speedy Claxton in the past (remember when people were prefering him over Parker)... they all looked better than they were with Pop and got paid.

[spurs10]

Tbh, what playerleft the Spurs an had great success? So you're right. They look good in Pops system an teams thinks they're more than what they really are. Like KD callin Kawhi a system player. Yeah I get what you mean, I meant the Spurs set their players and their coaches up with life-changing opportunities. Seems like half the coaches and assistant coaches in the NBA came through the Spurs. Pretty impressive culture...and system. $37 million? Good for Kyle Anderson!


Wow the Spurs build lives :toast Yes, that’s my point. Boban wanted to stay, but Pop said ‘no this is your opportunity to get paid, take the money.’

[spurs10]

That's what some players and agents don't properly measure. Simmons, Dedmon, Kyle, Boban, CoJo recently, dudes like Speedy Claxton in the past (remember when people were prefering him over Parker)... they all looked better than they were with Pop and got paid. :toast

[cutewizard]

If i were in America....i would move to the Spurs and volunteer to work during weekends

Hehehe

[cutewizard]

I mean.....i would move to San Antonio

[picnroll]

27 pages of Spurs savants who were praising the Anderson choice when it was made or saying we should have picked guys that are now serving burgers at McDonalds. Many who are bitching on this board now. :lol

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236547&highlight=Jokic

[picnroll]

Out of all the posters pre 2014 draft liked Jokic, baam and AF Blue. :bobo

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236139&highlight=Jokic

[SAGirl]

Cheers SAgirl. Kyle did much better than the average 30th pick. Best wishes to him.
Thanks. I am actually quite fine with this now. Was a bit sad last night but time to move on. Haters going to hate, but dude got paid. Nothing to be sad about.
:flag:

[SnakeBoy]

We are losing good defender and have nothing in exchange

Develop a player and then lose them for nothing in return, it's the Spurs way.

[bklynspursfan]

Develop a player and then lose them for nothing in return, it's the Spurs way.

Cause they can usually find the next person with a similar skillset to start developing and molding in to what they need.

[SuperCam]

finally PATFO doing something smart and not throwing more money at a playoff scrub who bent over for the Showers every season

[monkeypunk]

I mean.....i would move to San Antonio

Can you defend and shoot the 3?

[cd98]

finally PATFO doing something smart and not throwing more money at a playoff scrub who bent over for the Showers every season

And then they throw $20 million at Davis.

[Darius Bieber]

RIP SA Girl

[Raven]

really disappointed by this.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Oh no, we didn't overpay a slow footed bench guy who can't shoot and can't stay on the court against Houston or GS, what will we do?

Looks like the Spurs learned from those garbage deals with Gasol and Mills last summer.

[DAF86]

Will probably go the same route that many Spurs role players did before: be a decent but overrated and overpaid player. Think of guys like George Hill, Corey Joseph, Thiago Splitter, Aron Baynes, Boban Marjanovic, Gary Neal, etc. Mills should have been another, but somehow we fell for our own trap on that one.

[twincam]

YES!!!!! Finally some common sense. Green is /should be next.

[rascal]

Has any player ever left the Spurs and did better with the new team?

[spurraider21]

YES!!!!! Finally some common sense. Green is /should be next.
green exercised the last year pursuant to his player option. so he's back for 10 mil on what is the last season of his deal

[SAGirl]

Will probably go the same route that many Spurs role players did before: be a decent but overrated and overpaid player. Think of guys like George Hill, Corey Joseph, Thiago Splitter, Aron Baynes, Boban Marjanovic, Gary Neal, etc. Mills should have been another, but somehow we fell for our own trap on that one.
Baynes is a pretty solid roleplayer. Have to realize these are roleplayers, not stars. Hill was good and a legit starter for a few years, Tiago unfortunately got hurt and career was over, otherwise he was decent when he played. CoJo has been a rotation player in playoff teams (granted in the East but still, it's not like he washed out or got waived or anything). Boban was fun to watch but the word of advice was that he was Never a rotation player for the Spurs. Just wasn't.

Neal had the same problems elsewhere including quarreling with teammates but he still toiled around the league for a few years.

[DAF86]

Baynes is a pretty solid roleplayer. Have to realize these are roleplayers, not stars. Hill was good and a legit starter for a few years, Tiago unfortunately got hurt and career was over, otherwise he was decent when he played. CoJo has been a rotation player in playoff teams (granted in the East but still, it's not like he washed out or got waived or anything). Boban was fun to watch but the word of advice was that he was Never a rotation player for the Spurs. Just wasn't.

Neal had the same problems elsewhere including quarreling with teammates but he still toiled around the league for a few years.

That's why I said they were decent. But all of them, at some point or another, were overpaid for what they produced.

[spurraider21]

Will probably go the same route that many Spurs role players did before: be a decent but overrated and overpaid player. Think of guys like George Hill, Corey Joseph, Thiago Splitter, Aron Baynes, Boban Marjanovic, Gary Neal, etc. Mills should have been another, but somehow we fell for our own trap on that one.
hill/cojo/boban got overpaid pretty egregiously. i dont think the others really did.

[Dex]

That's why I said they were decent. But all of them, at some point or another, were overpaid for what they produced.

Perhaps overpaid, but not by the Spurs.

[HarlemHeat37]

Has any player ever left the Spurs and did better with the new team?

In recent years, off the top of my head, Ian Mahinmi, George Hill, David West, Aron Baynes, Jamychal Green..

[SAGirl]

That's why I said they were decent. But all of them, at some point or another, were overpaid for what they produced.
It's relative. Some more than others. In Kyle's case perhaps but he was a RFA and to pry him away they had to overpay a bit. Spurs wanted him back after all and would match to a point. If he performs for them like he did in SA he will be worth his contract. They project him to be a starter so that price is fine for a starter.

The team was in the lottery previously. If they get more wins this season it will be a success for them.

[DAF86]

Perhaps overpaid, but not by the Spurs.

That's what I said: that other teams tend to fall for the trap of seeing role players playing on the Spurs system and overpay.

[spurraider21]

In recent years, off the top of my head, Ian Mahinmi, George Hill, David West, Aron Baynes, Jamychal Green..
paul george

[Dex]

That's what I said: that other teams tend to fall for the trap of seeing role players playing on the Spurs system and overpay.

:tu :bobo

[HarlemHeat37]

On the other side, Joseph, Neal, Blair and Roger Mason fell off when leaving the Spurs..Simmons, Marco and Dedmon were neutral..Splitter doesn't count, his body was finished within months of changing teams..

Not as many as perceived, unless I'm forgetting some guys in recent years..

[DAF86]

hill/cojo/boban got overpaid pretty egregiously. i dont think the others really did.

Van Gundy was paying Baynes 7 millions per year at some point.

[spurraider21]

On the other side, Joseph, Neal, Blair and Roger Mason fell off when leaving the Spurs..Simmons, Marco and Dedmon were neutral..Splitter doesn't count, his body was finished within months of changing teams..

Not as many as perceived, unless I'm forgetting some guys in recent years..
sounds about right. boban also neutral. still just a mascot.

i guess throw in anthony tolliver as someone who got better... but he was only here for a minute. turkoglu if you want to go way back

[HarlemHeat37]

sounds about right. boban also neutral. still just a mascot.

i guess throw in anthony tolliver as someone who got better... but he was only here for a minute. turkoglu if you want to go way back

Forgot about Tolliver, good call, he's made a nice career for himself as a bench player..

[timtonymanu]

CoJo stands out to me. I remember some were beginning to buy him as the future starting PG for the team at the time when Tony was declining and the CoJo/Mills duo looked efficient enough.

[SAGirl]

On the other side, Joseph, Neal, Blair and Roger Mason fell off when leaving the Spurs..Simmons, Marco and Dedmon were neutral..Splitter doesn't count, his body was finished within months of changing teams..

Not as many as perceived, unless I'm forgetting some guys in recent years..
True. :tu

[SAGirl]

paul george
Classic
:lol

[rascal]

sounds about right. boban also neutral. still just a mascot.

i guess throw in anthony tolliver as someone who got better... but he was only here for a minute. turkoglu if you want to go way back

Antonio Daniels, Malik Rose

[SAGirl]

Van Gundy was paying Baynes 7 millions per year at some point.
7 millions for Baynes was fine. He's was very good for the Pistons iirc. Never got the perception he was overpaid. Plus he's a workhorse, does the dirty job, great picks, underrated role player big If you ask me. What do you call Gasol and his 16 mill?

[ernest787]

Malik fell off a cliff after leaving SA

[hater]

Jimmer became a beast in the chinese league tbqh

And Money Mase became better because he got his medical degree and a spot in the Players Assoc. He could have cured Mute Cancer if he stayed tbqh

[Chinook]

On the other side, Joseph, Neal, Blair and Roger Mason fell off when leaving the Spurs..Simmons, Marco and Dedmon were neutral..Splitter doesn't count, his body was finished within months of changing teams..

Not as many as perceived, unless I'm forgetting some guys in recent years..

Cory didn't get worse. He just wasn't all that good in the first place. Neal actually had a better season his first year away from the club, especially with Charlotte. Blair fell off a cliff WITH the Spurs. If anything, leaving gave him a bit of an Indian Summer.

[DAF86]

7 millions for Baynes was fine. He's was very good for the Pistons iirc. Never got the perception he was overpaid. Plus he's a workhorse, does the dirty job, great picks, underrated role player big If you ask me. What do you call Gasol and his 16 mill?

Baynes played 15 mpg for Detroit, you don't pay 7 millions per year for a guy that plays 15 mpg, tbh.

Gasol is overpaid too but he's a different level of player. You can't really compare both.

[spurraider21]

baynes is worth 7 mil for what he's been doing for boston, though DAF is correct that his role on the pistons didn't warrant the money they paid him. boban getting 3/21 was even more egregious

[SAGirl]

Baynes played 15 mpg for Detroit, you don't pay 7 millions per year for a guy that plays 15 mpg, tbh.

Gasol is overpaid too but he's a different level of player. You can't really compare both.
Isn't Gasol nowadays a roleplayer?
My recollection on Baynes failed me. Thought he played more, but that was the time of the twin towers with Greg Monroe and he was insurance i if Monroe walked. Van Gundy not playing him didn't mean he sucked. I watched him a couple of times and he played well. he didn't fall off bc he left the Spurs. His play in Celtics confirms it.

[DAF86]

Isn't Gasol nowadays a roleplayer?
My recollection on Baynes failed me. Thought he played more, but that was the time of the twin towers with Greg Monroe and he was insurance i if Monroe walked. Van Gundy not playing him didn't mean he sucked. I watched him a couple of times and he played well. he didn't fall off bc he left the Spurs. His play in Celtics confirms it.

And who said he fell of a cliff?

[SAGirl]

baynes is worth 7 mil for what he's been doing for boston, though DAF is correct that his role on the pistons didn't warrant the money they paid him. boban getting 3/21 was even more egregious
Yea Boban's deal was the summer of 2016. Lots of really bad deals given out that year.

[DAF86]

Baynes is worth 7 mil for what he's been doing for boston, though DAF is correct that his role on the pistons didn't warrant the money they paid him. boban getting 3/21 was even more egregious

No, he isn't. That's why he signed for 4 mils per year now. With his current role and contract, Baynes has finally stopped being overpaid, tbh.

[SAGirl]

And who said he fell of a cliff?
You implied he was worse off and overpaid. Don't think he was.

[SAGirl]

No, he isn't. That's why he signed for 4 mils per year now. With his current role and contract, Baynes has finally stopped being overpaid, tbh.
He signed for that bc he's in a good team that's going to be in cap hell. He could have gotten his 7 mill and still be good value. He wouldn't be on a stack team tho.

[DAF86]

You implied he was worse off and overpaid. Don't think he was.

Nope, I literally said "overrated and overpaid". I never said anything about becoming less players. In fact, I even said most of them were "decent" players.

[SAGirl]

I mean there's only a few teams that are legit contenders and Boston may be on the road to be one. That's worth taking a smaller deal than he could have gotten IMO.

[SAGirl]

Nope, I literally said "overrated and overpaid". In fact, I even said most of them were "decent" players.
Hmm lexicon and semantics. When was Baynes overrated tbh?

[DAF86]

Hmm lexicon and semantics. When was Baynes overrated tbh?

When a GM thought he was worth 7 millions per year, tbh.

[SAGirl]

When a GM thought he was worth 7 millions per year, tbh.
This is going in circles. He's solid. You don't want to pay that? That's how you get stuck with Jeff Ayers and Joff Lauvergene. Occasionally you get someone for really cheap like a Dedmon, that gives value but that only lasts a short time, specially if the guy is going and not a get ring chaser.

For me, overpaid is someone who doesn't produce. For a solid get big like Baynes, I think he would be worth it. I'd take it inn the Spurs if they could afford him but they can't.

[HarlemHeat37]

Cory didn't get worse. He just wasn't all that good in the first place. Neal actually had a better season his first year away from the club, especially with Charlotte. Blair fell off a cliff WITH the Spurs. If anything, leaving gave him a bit of an Indian Summer.

I was comparing their peak play and ideal roles, I wasn't implying that those guys were actually good with the Spurs:lol

I agree about Joseph(used to argue about him frequently here), but he looked better with the Spurs, mostly because they demanded less of him than his new team..he was asked to become a 25 MPG player in Toronto and failed..

Blair was finished with the Spurs towards the end, but he was a solid peripheral player at his peak, mostly a product of Manu..he was never anywhere as good after leaving the Spurs as he was during his peak playing pick&roll with Manu..

You're technically correct about Neal being better after he left, but IIRC, he was dealing with hamstring problems in 2013, and his 2011-2012 season with the Spurs was his best year in the NBA..


Overall, I think it's a silly narrative..If somebody took the time to do the research, I bet the result would be that there isn't any difference between leaving the Spurs magical system vs. leaving other teams IMO(obviously excluding bottom-feeders and situations where a player is asked to play a larger role on a worse team)

[ernest787]

This is going in circles. He's solid. You don't want to pay that? That's how you get stuck with Jeff Ayers and Joff Lauvergene. Occasionally you get someone for really cheap like a Dedmon, that gives value but that only lasts a short time, specially if the guy is going and not a get ring chaser.

For me, overpaid is someone who doesn't produce. For a solid get big like Baynes, I think he would be worth it. I'd take it inn the Spurs if they could afford him but they can't.

Boy, am I glad you're not a GM. We would have paid Baynes $7m for 12 minutes a game, Fathead $10m for nothing, and probably have paid TP.

[DAF86]

I was comparing their peak play and ideal roles, I wasn't implying that those guys were actually good with the Spurs:lol

I agree about Joseph(used to argue about him frequently here), but he looked better with the Spurs, mostly because they demanded less of him than his new team..he was asked to become a 25 MPG player in Toronto and failed..

Blair was finished with the Spurs towards the end, but he was a solid peripheral player at his peak, mostly a product of Manu..he was never anywhere as good after leaving the Spurs as he was during his peak playing pick&roll with Manu..

You're technically correct about Neal being better after he left, but IIRC, he was dealing with hamstring problems in 2013, and his 2011-2012 season with the Spurs was his best year in the NBA..


Overall, I think it's a silly narrative..If somebody took the time to do the research, I bet the result would be that there isn't any difference between leaving the Spurs magical system vs. leaving other teams IMO(obviously excluding bottom-feeders and situations where a player is asked to play a larger role on a worse team)

To me there's no arguing that role players tend to look better on the Spurs. If anything because they get more playing time than in most other teams (or the perfect amount of playing time. Not too little, not too much) and you can't deny that role players tend to look better on more organized structures of play, which the Spurs have had successfully for years.

How many role players went on to sign great contracts after playing for the Spurs? Danny Green, Patty Mills, Gary Neal, Simmons, Anderson, Splitter, George Hill, Corey Joseph, Boban, Aron Baynes, etc.

And all of them underwhelmed or went on to barely meet expectations. Neither went on to become a clearly better player than what they already were with the Spurs (which was the expectation behind some of the contracts these guys got). At least not for a period of time that could be consider anything more than a fluke.

[HarlemHeat37]

To me there's no arguing that role players tend to look better on the Spurs. If anything because they get more playing time than in most other teams (or the perfect amount of playing time. Not too little, not too much) and you can't deny that role players tend to look better on more organized structures of play, which the Spurs have had successfully for years.

How many role players went on to sign great contracts after playing for the Spurs? Danny Green, Patty Mills, Gary Neal, Simmons, Anderson, Splitter, George Hill, Corey Joseph, Boban, Aron Baynes, etc.

And all of them underwhelmed or went on to barely meet expectations. Neither went on to become a clearly better player than they already were with the Spurs. At least not for a period of time that could be consider anything more than a fluke.

I agree with that, but I think it applies to any team with a great system and good coaching..the Spurs have a higher volume due to their extended period of success as an organization..

Now granted, there are only like 4-5 teams this applies to every few seasons, but still..

[TD 21]

:lmao At coaching and system. By far the biggest reason role players often looked better with the Spurs than elsewhere, was because of the big 3. An all-time core, that for as talented as they were, were even better than the sum of their parts because of their IQ, unselfishness and chemistry.

[DAF86]

I agree with that, but I think it applies to any team with a great system and good coaching..the Spurs have a higher volume due to their extended period of success as an organization..

Now granted, there are only like 4-5 teams this applies to every few seasons, but still..

The difference with other good teams is that role players aren't given as many chances to shine as the Spurs do with their role players. Some because they don't play their role players as much, others because they play them too much (lol Ariza getting 40 mpg), and almost all of them because they don't give them much room to do anything. Spurs circa 2012/2015 was paradise for role players. They were put exactly in the perfect place to produce at the top of their abilities.

[DAF86]

:lmao At coaching and system. By far the biggest reason role players often looked better with the Spurs than elsewhere, was because of the big 3. An all-time core, that for as talented as they were, were even better than the sum of their parts because of their IQ, unselfishness and chemistry.

That too. But you can't disregard the coaches job either. From creating a culture of selfinshness to installing a system that has been succesful for two straight decades now. The Spurs have been an elite defensive team for about 20 years now. Even last season's shitty team, playing Mills, Forbes, Gay, Tony and Gasol major minutes was a top 2 defensive team in the league. That's on coaching.

[TD 21]

That too. But you can't disregard the coaches job either. From creating a culture of selfinshness to installing a system that has been succesful for two straight decades now. The Spurs have been an elite defensive team for about 20 years now. Even last season's shitty team, playing Mills, Forbes, Gay, Tony and Gasol major minutes was a top 2 defensive team in the league. That's on coaching.

Robinson and Duncan created it and Parker and Ginobili followed suit.

The "system" was and is tailored to whoever the best offensive player(s) is at a given time.

Thanks mostly to 2 all-time defensive anchors and to a lesser extent an all-time defensive wing, as well as other good defensive personnel in prominent roles.

They fell to 4th at the end and were anchored by 2 of the best rim protectors in the league and 3 of the best perimeter defenders.

[DAF86]

Robinson and Duncan created it and Parker and Ginobili followed suit.

The "system" was and is tailored to whoever the best offensive player(s) is at a given time.

Thanks mostly to 2 all-time defensive anchors and to a lesser extent an all-time defensive wing, as well as other good defensive personnel in prominent roles.

They fell to 4th at the end and were anchored by 2 of the best rim protectors in the league and 3 of the best perimeter defenders.

Are you referring to last season's team?

Who were the 2 defensive rim protectors? Aldridge and Gasol?

And 3 of the best perimeter player? Murray, Green and Anderson?

Chicken and egg argument. Are they really that good defensively or does the system and coaching allows them to have such great defensive numbers? To me it's clear is the latter. Who thought of Aldridge as one of the best rim protectors before coming to the Spurs? Is Murray an all defensive team anywhere else? Would have Kawhi won b2b DPoYs on any other team?

You obviously need the elements, but the individual parts are nothing without a system getting the best of them.

[dabom]

Are you referring to last season's team?

Who were the 2 defensive rim protectors? Aldridge and Gasol?

And 3 of the best perimeter player? Murray, Green and Anderson?

Chicken and egg argument. Are they really that good defensively or does the system and coaching allows them to have such great defensive numbers? To me it's clear is the latter. Who thought of Aldridge as one of the best rim protectors before coming to the Spurs? Is Murray an all defensive team anywhere else? Would have Kawhi won b2b DPoYs on any other team?

You obviously need the elements, but the individual parts are nothing without a system getting the best of them.

Kawhi is an amazing defensive player. Yeah he gets too back to back,

[DAF86]

Kawhi is an amazing defensive player. Yeah he gets too back to back,

I doubt it. Kawhi got back to back because the Spurs were at the top of the defensive metrics both years. On a team that is middle of the pack (or at least not top 3), Kawhi doesn't get it. No matter how good he is individually on defense.

Furthermore, he wasn't the guy with the best defensive metrics on the Spurs in either year that he won. I remember thinking that back in 2015, Duncan should have got DPoY over him. Numbers backed that up.

[dabom]

I doubt it. Kawhi got back to back because the Spurs were at the top of the defensive metrics both years. On a team that is middle of the pack (or at least not top 3), Kawhi doesn't get it. No matter how good he is individually on defense.

Furthermore, he wasn't the guy with the best defensive metrics on the Spurs in either year that he won. I remember thinking that back in 2015, Duncan should have got DPoY over him. Numbers backed that up.

Same metrics makes you think dedman or fathead is a DPOY. Stop with the nonsense. :lol

[DAF86]

Same metrics makes you think dedman or fathead is a DPOY. Stop with the nonsense. :lol

No, I said Duncan.

[TD 21]

Are you referring to last season's team?

Who were the 2 defensive rim protectors? Aldridge and Gasol?

And 3 of the best perimeter player? Murray, Green and Anderson?

Chicken and egg argument. Are they really that good defensively or does the system and coaching allows them to have such great defensive numbers? To me it's clear is the latter. Who thought of Aldridge as one of the best rim protectors before coming to the Spurs? Is Murray an all defensive team anywhere else? Would have Kawhi won b2b DPoYs on any other team?

You obviously need the elements, but the individual parts are nothing without a system getting the best of them.

Aldridge and Gasol consistently rank among the best rim protectors in the league (lowest field goal % allowed within 3 feet of the rim). They often get overlooked because the former doesn't block a lot of shots and the latter is a poor overall defender.

The only one who didn't excel or at least didn't have the perceived potential to excel defensively prior to being a Spur, was Anderson. Of course their reputation was buoyed by being a Spur; who isn't? Especially post '14, when the media lost their mind and decided Pop was a magician because that team won a championship without a player playing at a superstar level.

Of course you need a coherent system, but the Spurs haven't re-invented the wheel defensively. They've just been fortunate to have a lot of tall, long armed, high IQ/effort types, in prominent roles.

[DAF86]

Aldridge and Gasol consistently rank among the best rim protectors in the league (lowest field goal % allowed within 3 feet of the rim). They often get overlooked because the former doesn't block a lot of shots and the latter is a poor overall defender.

The only one who didn't excel or at least didn't have the perceived potential to excel defensively prior to being a Spur, was Anderson. Of course their reputation was buoyed by being a Spur; who isn't? Especially post '14, when the media lost their mind and decided Pop was a magician because that team won a championship without a player playing at a superstar level.

Of course you need a coherent system, but the Spurs haven't re-invented the wheel defensively. They've just been fortunate to have a lot of tall, long armed, high IQ/effort types, in prominent roles.

I doubt "fotunate" is the word that applies there.

Look, I'm far from a PATFO fluffer. raybies can attest to that. But I think you are underrating their job big time on this matter.

[TD 21]

I doubt "fotunate" is the word that applies there.

:lmao How were they not fortunate to win 2 lotteries with all-time prospects? Leonard was going to be great defender wherever he went. Aldridge came here because he considered it home and the chance to contend for championships, based on a core that was mostly good fortune.

That's not a knock on the Spurs, by the way. Any franchise that has anything close to this level of success in professional sports, is going to owe a lot of it to good fortune. Of course, it goes beyond that and there's numerous people who deserve varying degrees of credit too.

[DAF86]

:lmao How were they not fortunate to win 2 lotteries with all-time prospects? Leonard was going to be great defender wherever he went. Aldridge came here because he considered it home and the chance to contend for championships, based on a core that was mostly good fortune.

That's not a knock on the Spurs, by the way. Any franchise that has anything close to this level of success in professional sports, is going to owe a lot of it to good fortune. Of course, it goes beyond that and there's numerous people who deserve varying degrees of credit too.

There was no luck at all on the getting of Kawhi Leonard, tbh.

There was also no luck at all on turning Danny Green from a G-league player into an elite role player and there's no luck at all on the type of players they go after.

Just as there's no luck at all on the fact that every player is scared as shit of committing a defensive mistake or coming out as lazy on that side of the ball.

[TD 21]

There was no luck at all on the getting of Kawhi Leonard, tbh.

There was also no luck at all on turning Danny Green from a G-league player into an elite role player and there's no luck at all on the type of players they go after.

Just as there's no luck at all on the fact that every player is scared as shit of committing a defensive mistake or coming out as lazy on that side of the ball.

We're talking strictly defense though. Leonard was going to be a great defender anywhere and Green a very good one.

Right and that credibility Pop has, was built on the backs of Duncan, Ginobili, Parker and Robinson, who made him the most successful and revered coach of his generation.

All coaches would love to do a lot of the things Pop does, but know they couldn't get away with it because they don't have the job security he does. They have to walk a fine line with their players, particularly their best ones.

[bic50]

I have a feeling Kyle will do well in Memphis

[SAGirl]

I have a feeling Kyle will do well in Memphis

I have a good feeling about it bc he was thrown on the deep end last season in a really offensively challenged team. He was a deep bench player and all of a sudden started 73 or so games.

Anyways, "analytics" models project Memphis got better adding him.
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[SAGirl]

It would never show up anywhere, but these are things roleplayers do to make others around them better than you cannot quantify.
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Unquantifiable things like that only show up when you look at things like plus/minus.

For 2 years in a row, including last season when he was thrown in the fire the Spurs were better with him on the floor than without him.

[NASpurs]

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[SAGirl]

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:lmao. Done deal. Looks happy.

[apalisoc_9]

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No one gives a fuck about you kyle. Stop taking videos like yoi actually matter. There's plumbers out there that get 100 likes in one tweet per day.

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Probably memphisgirl and her 44 accounts.

[spurraider21]

soon SAgirl will be posting kyle anderson china league trackers like derpy with the jimmer shit

[TekXX]

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He sounds too thug for being a slow ass bitch.

[ace3g]

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[TimDunkem]

He sounds too thug for being a slow ass bitch.

[TimDunkem]

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No one gives a fuck about you kyle. Stop taking videos like yoi actually matter. There's plumbers out there that get 100 likes in one tweet per day.

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/gucci3.png

Probably memphisgirl and her 44 accounts.

:lmao

[tholdren]

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Lol glad hes gone. Exactly why i say any rec league bum could be an nba star today. Sad

[Rocalcio]

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[SAGirl]

Ooo Apalisoc I am so scared. Not! Go back to being irrelevant and trolling about Kawhi

[SAGirl]

He sounds too thug for being a slow ass bitch.
Black kid from Jersey. Don’t let the lighter skin confuse you.

[YGWHI]

I'm glad he finds a team that really needs him, I wish him the best in Memphis.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Good night, sweet prince.

[TheGreatYacht]

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No one gives a fuck about you kyle. Stop taking videos like yoi actually matter. There's plumbers out there that get 100 likes in one tweet per day.

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/gucci3.png

Probably memphisgirl and her 44 accounts.
:lmao

[DPG21920]

I'm glad he finds a team that really needs him, I wish him the best in Memphis.

MEM is interesting. I love JJJ but will Gasol continue to slow down? It might be really hard for some of these guys leaving SA and being used to winning going to cultures where winning is not the norm.

[Gordonicci]

MEM is interesting. I love JJJ but will Gasol continue to slow down? It might be really hard for some of these guys leaving SA and being used to winning going to cultures where winning is not the norm.
I think Slomo is most def in for a culture shock. Memphis has been a clusterfuck that last couple of seasons. They just gave him grown man money and I doubt they will be as patient with him as our coaches were. It's time for him to put up some real production for a team that desperately needs it. I wish him the best but confidence was never his strong suit and he's gonna need a lot of it to succeed going forward.

[SAGirl]

MEM is interesting. I love JJJ but will Gasol continue to slow down? It might be really hard for some of these guys leaving SA and being used to winning going to cultures where winning is not the norm.

He did well to get his money and get paid. NBA careers for roleplayers are so fickle and you can get injured and it’s over.

No one is going to say this team is guaranteed for the playoffs. Not only is the West brutal but their best players are injury prone, so that’s problematic. But they have JJJ to watch develop, and if Conley and Gasol are both healthy thet will win some games. Just got to keep it interesting for the fans. They are also trying to get younger and going back to their roots as a defensive team. At lest they have a plan. Many lottery teams don’t even have a clear plan, or want to be running and gunning with less talent than the super teams. That doesn’t work.

It will be interesting to see what happens to them. Unfortunately I do expect injuries to their old core to derail everything they had planned, but out of the lottery teams they seem less hopeless. If I was him, that plus the money is sufficient to be interest and keep him happy. He could be in the Spurs next season getting paid less l and still not be guaranteed Kawhi stays or that Lamarcus stays healthy. Without them, a difficult season would ensue anyways. Hey, I dare say, going for the money and playing time is a no brained and is going to always be the right choice for guys who have never gotten their big payday.

Even with all the losing it never never seems to me like either Dedmon or Simmons regretted getting paid and playing time elsewhere.

[8FOR!3]

I think Slomo is most def in for a culture shock. Memphis has been a clusterfuck that last couple of seasons. They just gave him grown man money and I doubt they will be as patient with him as our coaches were. It's time for him to put up some real production for a team that desperately needs it. I wish him the best but confidence was never his strong suit and he's gonna need a lot of it to succeed going forward.

Grown man money? Dude they paid Chandler Parsons grown man money not to do shit.

[SAGirl]

I'm glad he finds a team that really needs him, I wish him the best in Memphis.
:bobo

[SAGirl]

Grown man money? Dude they paid Chandler Parsons grown man money not to do shit.
Parsons hasn’t been able to wipe his ass for 2 seasons, that’s a real overpaid dude. No. 1 requirement to providing good value on a deal is availability to play heavy minutes.

[Gordonicci]

Grown man money? Dude they paid Chandler Parsons grown man money not to do shit.
This is true but there was no way for them to know that he'd be such a colossal waste when they got him. It furthers my point though. They REALLY need a wing who can produce for them after wasting so much time and money on Parsons.

[shaq_h8ter]

Good for Kyle he got paid.
You never know how long a pro career might last.

[8FOR!3]

This is true but there was no way for them to know that he'd be such a colossal waste when they got him. It furthers my point though. They REALLY need a wing who can produce for them after wasting so much time and money on Parsons.

Yeah I get it. The way I look at it they're not a contender in the west and they know they're not a contender in the west. But they could be a formidable playoff team if they healthy.

Conley
Who is their starting SG this year?? Dillon Brooks is my guess
Kyle
Jaren Jackson
Gasol

That's a decent lineup that like I said won't contend with the top 4 teams but could be in contention for one of the last few playoff spots. Kyle's role should be as a secondary ball handler, it seems like he'd be a natural fit with that team. I don't think he'll make them a lot better, but he kind of fits into what they're trying to do. And he seems like a low risk too you kind of know what you're getting out of him at this point.

[HarlemHeat37]

^^Conley is glass, he'll be out for the season by January..

[spurraider21]

people are thinking jaren jackson is going to come in day 1 and light it up for them... because of that 1 summer league game.

i dont think they're a playoff team

[Gibbz]

I like Memphis, but they have no chance of finishing ahead of GS, Houston, Utah, Minnesota, OKC, New Orleans, Denver, or the Lakers.

[K...]

I like Memphis, but they have no chance of finishing ahead of GS, Houston, Utah, Minnesota, OKC, New Orleans, Denver, or the Lakers.

And the Spurz? :( :(. :(. :(

[Gibbz]

And the Spurz? :( :(. :(. :(

Spurs/Lakers probably pretty even but I'd give the edge to LAL. :depressed