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boutons_deux
07-10-2018, 08:04 AM
Trump criticizes NATO allies ahead of summit
(http://theweek.com/speedreads/783962/trump-criticizes-nato-allies-ahead-summit)

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/874276197357596672/kUuht00m_normal.jpgDonald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
Getting ready to leave for Europe.

First meeting - NATO.

The U.S. is spending many times more than any other country in order to protect them.

Not fair to the U.S. taxpayer.

On top of that we lose $151 Billion on Trade with the European Union. Charge us big Tariffs (& Barriers)!

4:35 AM - Jul 10, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1016616792926703616)


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/874276197357596672/kUuht00m_normal.jpg (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
NATO countries must pay MORE,

the United States must pay LESS.

Very Unfair!

5:42 AM - Jul 10, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1016633811378073602)

http://theweek.com/speedreads/783962/trump-criticizes-nato-allies-ahead-summit

Trash whining about money is smokescreen hiding his following orders from Pootin to weaken, destroy EU, NATO, everything

boutons_deux
07-10-2018, 08:08 AM
Ex-Obama official sketches terrifyingly plausible scenario for Trump destroying NATO — by next week

A former U.S. ambassador to Israel warned that President Donald Trump might blow up the international order as soon as next week.

Daniel Shapiro, who served as ambassador for nearly six years under President Barack Obama, said

no plans appear to be in place if Trump pulls the U.S. out of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, which he said appears likely.

“I don’t think we are fully grappling with the possibility that we could be on the on the cusp of a completely new era, a fundamental reshaping of the international order,” Shapiro tweeted.

“And I don’t mean over the course of the Trump Administration.

I mean by next week.”

Shapiro admitted the possibility sounded “outlandish,” but he said

it would be “insane” not to plan for what would happen if Trump undermined or destroyed NATO.
“Trump clearly wants to pull the US out of NATO,” he tweeted.

“He doesn’t believe in the alliance (or any alliances);

he thinks our allies take advantage of us;

he complains that NATO is worse than NAFTA(whatever that means);

he seeks purely transactional relations with our closest partners.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/ex-obama-official-sketches-terrifyingly-plausible-scenario-trump-destroying-nato-next-week/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/ex-obama-official-sketches-terrifyingly-plausible-scenario-trump-destroying-nato-next-week/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

And in sicko Trash's "transactions", he always screws the other party.

hater
07-10-2018, 08:30 AM
World peace :tu


Lets all pray russia us peace plan happens :tu

Europe is irrelevant

boutons_deux
07-10-2018, 08:33 AM
World peace :tu


Lets all pray russia us peace plan happens :tu

Europe is irrelevant

Goddamn, you're fucking stupid.

cold-warrior Pootin is no ally, no friend of USA, he wants to tear down USA and the West for the greater glory of Russia.

Goddamn, you're fucking stupid.

boutons_deux
07-10-2018, 08:51 AM
"the United States envoy to Moscow, Jon Huntsman, has told The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/world/europe/trump-putin-summit-election-meddling.html) that

Trump plans to "hold Russia accountable for its malign activities," :lol

like election meddling :lol

and the annexation of Crimea. :lol

http://theweek.com/speedreads/783959/trump-seems-feel-pretty-confident-about-upcoming-meeting-putin

Huntsman! :lol

koriwhat
07-10-2018, 07:58 PM
Goddamn, you're fucking stupid.

cold-warrior Pootin is no ally, no friend of USA, he wants to tear down USA and the West for the greater glory of Russia.

Goddamn, you're fucking stupid.

Hyperbole. Btw fuck nato and the un.

SnakeBoy
07-10-2018, 08:02 PM
Goddamn, you're fucking stupid.

cold-warrior Pootin is no ally, no friend of USA, he wants to tear down USA and the West for the greater glory of Russia.

Goddamn, you're fucking stupid.

Chill man we fucked and unfuckable

pgardn
07-10-2018, 08:04 PM
Hyperbole. Btw fuck nato and the un.

Fck the Earth, Sun, our Solar System, and the Milky Way Galaxy.

hater
07-10-2018, 08:57 PM
:lmao what a brainwashed moron the OP is

Europe is irrelevant as they have a puny army and are basically US vassals. They will do as told and thats it

The real peace deal will be between US and Russia

Russia possesses weapons that are decades ahead of US. Sure US has 10 times the regular army and air force. But how good is that if your civilians will be melted down and your food crops will be obliterated?

US has the army to conquer the world but Russia has weapons to make US an uninhabitable wasteland

Time to swallow our stupid american pride and make a deal. Putin is a man of his word better do it now than wait for a Russian leader that is a real asshole

Make a deal make peace. Stupid brainwashed cunts

koriwhat
07-11-2018, 12:28 AM
Fck the Earth, Sun, our Solar System, and the Milky Way Galaxy.

Lol nah just nato, the un, and all countries who want to fuck us over too.

AaronY
07-11-2018, 12:34 AM
Lol nah just nato, the un, and all countries who want to fuck us over too.
Lol at your view of the world where the whole world us against the us. Do stupid. US was always the leader of the free world and pretty much constructed this whole world order

AaronY
07-11-2018, 12:36 AM
UN was formed in 1945 and purely coincidentally Europe had the longest period of peace in its entire history. Goddamn you and you retard leader need to read a history textbook just once. So ignorant and stupid

boutons_deux
07-11-2018, 07:17 AM
Trump opens NATO summit with blast at allies, accuses Germany over ties to Russia

President Trump kicked off his two-day visit with NATO allies by doing exactly what many of them feared, worsening tensions within the alliance by claiming that Germany, a bulwark of the transatlantic democratic order, "is totally controlled by" and "captive to Russia."

Trump, who often goes on the attack by accusing someone of behavior he has been accused of,

“Germany is totally controlled by Russia,” Trump said. “You tell me if that’s appropriate because I think it’s not.”

Trump’s posture toward close allies has been remarkably confrontational, especially in comparison to his more conciliatory approach to adversaries, including Russia and North Korea.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-nato-20180711-story.html?utm_source=Today%27s+Headlines&utm_campaign=36cfb27b45-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_12_12_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b04355194f-36cfb27b45-80027601

Brazil
07-11-2018, 09:26 AM
:lmao what a brainwashed moron the OP is

Europe is irrelevant as they have a puny army and are basically US vassals. They will do as told and thats it

The real peace deal will be between US and Russia

Russia possesses weapons that are decades ahead of US. Sure US has 10 times the regular army and air force. But how good is that if your civilians will be melted down and your food crops will be obliterated?

US has the army to conquer the world but Russia has weapons to make US an uninhabitable wasteland

Time to swallow our stupid american pride and make a deal. Putin is a man of his word better do it now than wait for a Russian leader that is a real asshole

Make a deal make peace. Stupid brainwashed cunts

You are the fucking moron tbh.. Only England is basically US vassals.. The rest won't do as told especially not Germany

The only French nuclear arsenal is enough to prevent any threats to its european allies and contrary to England France has fully developped its arsenal and is fully autonomous to operate it

hater
07-11-2018, 09:59 AM
You are the fucking moron tbh.. Only England is basically US vassals.. The rest won't do as told especially not Germany

The only French nuclear arsenal is enough to prevent any threats to its european allies and contrary to England France has fully developped its arsenal and is fully autonomous to operate it

Trumps just went to Nato and said “we are your piggyback and you better start spending your money” to all Nato leaders faces :lmao

And they took it :lmao

If thats not being a vassal I dont know what is

Europe is dependent on Daddy USA for their protection. That is a fact. You denying this fact means you dont know much nig.

USA has dozens of bases in Europe and europe is the biggest buyer of US made weapons. We own you ass

And as I said Europe will just shut up and do as told so they are irrelevant


:lmao and French nuclear arsenal :lmao how good is your shitty arsenal if the Red Army can be parading through Paris in about 1 week if US were to not protct them?

pgardn
07-11-2018, 10:28 AM
And now they all agree to bolster military against Russian provocation.

The orange man and his tiresome tirades...

pgardn
07-11-2018, 10:29 AM
Trumps just went to Nato and said “we are your piggyback and you better start spending your money” to all Nato leaders faces :lmao

And they took it :lmao

If thats not being a vassal I dont know what is

Europe is dependent on Daddy USA for their protection. That is a fact. You denying this fact means you dont know much nig.

USA has dozens of bases in Europe and europe is the biggest buyer of US made weapons. We own you ass

And as I said Europe will just shut up and do as told so they are irrelevant


:lmao and French nuclear arsenal :lmao how good is your shitty arsenal if the Red Army can be parading through Paris in about 1 week if US were to not protct them?

How effective will the Red Army be without a homeland.
You are a blathering idiot.
The French could do it on their own fool. They have the capability. But much more so than NK or Israel. You are clueless.

Brazil
07-11-2018, 11:24 AM
Trumps just went to Nato and said “we are your piggyback and you better start spending your money” to all Nato leaders faces :lmao

And they took it :lmao

If thats not being a vassal I dont know what is

Europe is dependent on Daddy USA for their protection. That is a fact. You denying this fact means you dont know much nig.

USA has dozens of bases in Europe and europe is the biggest buyer of US made weapons. We own you ass

And as I said Europe will just shut up and do as told so they are irrelevant


:lmao and French nuclear arsenal :lmao how good is your shitty arsenal if the Red Army can be parading through Paris in about 1 week if US were to not protct them?

:lol dude you are out of your league

They took it how ? what does his speech has changed or will change ? Germany won't do as told neither France

France has 0 american base on its territory and does not depend on US weapons contrary to Israel, England or Germany.. France and consequently Europe does not need US for its territory defense, you are an idiot to think otherwise.. US is even scared to death to engage military North Korea that has the nuclear arsenal of France in the 60s

:lol red army marching upon Paris idea... god damn you are a tool :lmao why in the hell Russia would want to march upon Paris and risk nuclear strikes ? :lol not even knowing how nuclear dissuasion work

Brazil
07-11-2018, 11:26 AM
:lol being fooled by Trash bullshit
:lol vassals retaliating to Trash trade war.. dat vassals are not very cooperative tbh
:lol colombian talking about nuclear arsenal

boutons_deux
07-11-2018, 11:33 AM
After a tirade against allies, Trump pushes for NATO countries to raise defense spending to 4 percent of GDP

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/trump-says-germanyis-captive-to-russia-in-fiery-opening-salvo-against-nato/2018/07/11/56aa7174-7f0a-11e8-a63f-7b5d2aba7ac5_story.html?utm_term=.84490764cb47&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Trash apparently "thinks" USA defending Europe against Pootin is not in USA's interest, sort of anti-Marshall Plan

NATO stationing troops, bases in Ukraine and the Baltics is a better idea.

We'll see, maybe, what Pootin's marching orders for Trash are after they meet.

Trash is fucking geopolitics up and the Repugs are complicit by doing nothing to stop him.

koriwhat
07-11-2018, 11:47 AM
Lol at your view of the world where the whole world us against the us. Do stupid. US was always the leader of the free world and pretty much constructed this whole world order


UN was formed in 1945 and purely coincidentally Europe had the longest period of peace in its entire history. Goddamn you and you retard leader need to read a history textbook just once. So ignorant and stupid

I don't claim the whole world is against the US. But fuck those that are and those that have taken advantage of the US over the decades. Fuck our citizens here too who deep throat those countries that screw us.

Europe's not so peaceful these days from videos and reports i see/read daily. The UN is worthless. America first; fuck the rest!

Chucho
07-11-2018, 12:21 PM
I don't claim the whole world is against the US. But fuck those that are and those that have taken advantage of the US over the decades. Fuck our citizens here too who deep throat those countries that screw us.

Europe's not so peaceful these days from videos and reports i see/read daily. The UN is worthless. America first; fuck the rest!

We're definitely a tumultuous paradigm. Everyone loves to hate us and don't realize without us, the world crumbles. Period. But, we also need most of the rest of the world. It's a give and take- we need low cost goods and the world needs our shithead society to buy their goods. It's mutually beneficial.

We can't help our past and I loathe the people in our country that want to justify today's actions based on what happened centuries ago, but I find when other countries' citizens and bosses doing the same the worst kind of hypocrisy as you simply aren't a world power without some form of ghastly imperialism/ imperialistic crimes against humanity but their selective memories and obvious bias (could be jealousy, could be ignorance, could be nationalism) make eating their shit intolerable.

Not much we can do. I do like Trump telling Germany and other countries that pretend to be the moral compass of the world to go fuck themselves, but that's me acting as other nations act to us, and some countries we can be fine without working with, but we can't piss off countries we do need in trade partnership like China.

But, at the end of the day, when you're the top, the most dominant and significantly important country on a global scale, you're going to attract your hatred from the ignorant, needy and dependent. No different than the Patriots catching shit and people who hate top selling pop artists. It is what it is.

boutons_deux
07-11-2018, 12:56 PM
Everyone in the room was visibly cringing as Donald Trump badmouthed Germany at NATO breakfast (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/11/1779621/-Everyone-in-the-room-was-visibly-cringing-as-Donald-Trump-badmouthed-Germany-at-NATO-breakfast)

German Chancellor Angela Merkel was not happy and she shot back, reminding Donald Trump that she herself grew up in Soviet-controlled Germany.

From the Washington Post: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/trump-says-germanyis-captive-to-russia-in-fiery-opening-salvo-against-nato/2018/07/11/56aa7174-7f0a-11e8-a63f-7b5d2aba7ac5_story.html?utm_term=.90fad9a8f166)


“I myself experienced that a part of Germany that was controlled by the Soviet Union, and

I am very happy today that we are united in freedom as the Federal Republic of Germany,”

Merkel told reporters as she entered NATO.

“We decide our own policies and make our own decisions.”



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/11/1779621/-Everyone-in-the-room-was-visibly-cringing-as-Donald-Trump-badmouthed-Germany-at-NATO-breakfast?detail=emaildkre

koriwhat
07-11-2018, 01:38 PM
Everyone in the room was visibly cringing as Donald Trump badmouthed Germany at NATO breakfast (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/11/1779621/-Everyone-in-the-room-was-visibly-cringing-as-Donald-Trump-badmouthed-Germany-at-NATO-breakfast)

German Chancellor Angela Merkel was not happy and she shot back, reminding Donald Trump that she herself grew up in Soviet-controlled Germany.

From the Washington Post: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/trump-says-germanyis-captive-to-russia-in-fiery-opening-salvo-against-nato/2018/07/11/56aa7174-7f0a-11e8-a63f-7b5d2aba7ac5_story.html?utm_term=.90fad9a8f166)


“I myself experienced that a part of Germany that was controlled by the Soviet Union, and

I am very happy today that we are united in freedom as the Federal Republic of Germany,”

Merkel told reporters as she entered NATO.

“We decide our own policies and make our own decisions.”



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/11/1779621/-Everyone-in-the-room-was-visibly-cringing-as-Donald-Trump-badmouthed-Germany-at-NATO-breakfast?detail=emaildkre

Merkel is a plague on Germany.

spurraider21
07-11-2018, 02:06 PM
Merkel is a plague on Germany.
yeah and according to derpy, she's literally hitler

hater
07-11-2018, 03:06 PM
:lol dude you are out of your league

They took it how ? what does his speech has changed or will change ? Germany won't do as told neither France

France has 0 american base on its territory and does not depend on US weapons contrary to Israel, England or Germany.. France and consequently Europe does not need US for its territory defense, you are an idiot to think otherwise.. US is even scared to death to engage military North Korea that has the nuclear arsenal of France in the 60s

:lol red army marching upon Paris idea... god damn you are a tool :lmao why in the hell Russia would want to march upon Paris and risk nuclear strikes ? :lol not even knowing how nuclear dissuasion work

Then what is the reason for NATOs existense moron :lmao

Of course it is to protect Europe. Who is the biggest payer and army in NATO? US by far

Of course Euro slaves took and are taking Trumps shit. They even did promise to increase their military spending in response to Trump :lol they are vassals

Now tell me if France would be happy if Trump takes his army out of europe? :lol they would shit their pants

Especially France who are known to be white flag waving pussies :lol

koriwhat
07-11-2018, 03:07 PM
yeah and according to derpy, she's literally hitler

i don't think she's hitler. however, i do believe she is incompetent and has an agenda to decimate germany as a whole and replace the culture with one of pedophilia, no rights for women, incest, no rights for gays, etc... you know the culture i speak of.

she's a worthless pos.

spurraider21
07-11-2018, 03:08 PM
i don't think she's hitler. however, i do believe she is incompetent and has an agenda to decimate germany as a whole and replace the culture with one of pedophilia, no rights for women, incest, no rights for gays, etc... you know the culture i speak of.

she's a worthless pos.
i mean, derp thinks she's literally hitler. the product of his frozen sperm. :lmao

koriwhat
07-11-2018, 03:10 PM
i mean, derp thinks she's literally hitler. the product of his frozen sperm. :lmao

i get it. cool story bro.

Blake
07-11-2018, 03:12 PM
i get it. cool story bro.

Kw frozen sperm shielding

koriwhat
07-11-2018, 03:25 PM
Kw frozen sperm shielding

wtf is wrong with you and your head man? you're so lost in your own world. too funny!

you and pavTHETIC have the same mental handicaps and that's why i asked pav a while back if he was on meds. he didn't want to answer, so here's your chance. what meds are you on boohoo blake? my brother is exactly like yall too and zoloft has been his downfall as well as DC culture.

many many weak minded "men" like yall roaming around the USA when yall should just take your asses up to canada where being beta is applauded.

Blake
07-11-2018, 03:33 PM
Lol kw's daily melt down

rmt
07-11-2018, 03:37 PM
Everyone in the room was visibly cringing as Donald Trump badmouthed Germany at NATO breakfast (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/11/1779621/-Everyone-in-the-room-was-visibly-cringing-as-Donald-Trump-badmouthed-Germany-at-NATO-breakfast)

German Chancellor Angela Merkel was not happy and she shot back, reminding Donald Trump that she herself grew up in Soviet-controlled Germany.

From the Washington Post: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/trump-says-germanyis-captive-to-russia-in-fiery-opening-salvo-against-nato/2018/07/11/56aa7174-7f0a-11e8-a63f-7b5d2aba7ac5_story.html?utm_term=.90fad9a8f166)


“I myself experienced that a part of Germany that was controlled by the Soviet Union, and

I am very happy today that we are united in freedom as the Federal Republic of Germany,”

Merkel told reporters as she entered NATO.

“We decide our own policies and make our own decisions.”



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/11/1779621/-Everyone-in-the-room-was-visibly-cringing-as-Donald-Trump-badmouthed-Germany-at-NATO-breakfast?detail=emaildkre

Yah, well defend you own selves then.

koriwhat
07-11-2018, 03:39 PM
Lol kw's daily melt down

far from a meltdown boohoo blake. just pointing out the obvious and obviously you're not going to answer the question i asked in my previous post. i lay odds that while you might think i have a daily melt down you more than likely take a daily pill for your mental handicap.

koriwhat
07-11-2018, 03:40 PM
Yah, well defend you own selves then.

exactly!

Blake
07-11-2018, 03:52 PM
far from a meltdown boohoo blake. just pointing out the obvious and obviously you're not going to answer the question i asked in my previous post. i lay odds that while you might think i have a daily melt down you more than likely take a daily pill for your mental handicap.

:lol an admitted druggy asking me if I'm the one that's on meds here is rich.

Tell me again in 10 rambling sentences or more how you don't melt down here.

boutons_deux
07-11-2018, 03:56 PM
Trump's Harsh Words For NATO Meet With Pushback From Republicans And Democrats

The House approved by voice vote a nonbinding resolution reaffirming U.S. support for NATO.

House Speaker Paul Ryan told reporters on Capitol Hill that "NATO is indispensable.

It is as important today as it ever has been.

We're reflecting that in a resolution that we're bringing to the floor today."

The Senate voted 97-2 Tuesday night to approve a similar nonbinding resolution to reaffirm the U.S. relationship with and support for NATO.


Chuck Schumer said:

"President Trump's brazen insults and denigration of one of America's most steadfast allies, Germany, is an embarrassment.

His behavior this morning is another profoundly disturbing signal that the President is more loyal to President Putin than to our NATO allies."



https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/628015546/trumps-harsh-words-for-nato-meet-with-pushback-from-republicans-and-democrats?sc=tw

Blake
07-11-2018, 03:59 PM
Yah, well defend you own selves then.

So their two options are to take Trump's badmouthing or to defend themselves.

..which as far as I can tell they already do.

Ok

Blake
07-11-2018, 04:00 PM
exactly!

Kw can torch and pitchfork with the best of em

Pavlov
07-11-2018, 04:04 PM
Yah, well defend you own selves then.Heh, we use the European bases for OUR purposes.

SnakeBoy
07-11-2018, 04:06 PM
France has 0 american base on its territory and does not depend on US weapons contrary to Israel, England or Germany.. France and consequently Europe does not need US for its territory defense, you are an idiot to think otherwise



Then what is the reason for NATOs existense moron


:corn:

boutons_deux
07-11-2018, 04:07 PM
USA spends only 3.3%, but Trash wants Europeans at 4%? Do as I say, not as I do

boutons_deux
07-11-2018, 04:09 PM
Yah, well defend you own selves then.

It's in USA's deepest self-interest to dissuade Pootin from messing with Europe.

I doubt Trash would bother if Pootin grabbed the Baltics or all of Ukraine

koriwhat
07-11-2018, 04:23 PM
:lol an admitted druggy asking me if I'm the one that's on meds here is rich.

Tell me again in 10 rambling sentences or more how you don't melt down here.

again, what exactly is your definition of a druggy tbh?

btw, nice swerve. we get it, you're a slave to bigPharma and a slave of the left.

Blake
07-11-2018, 04:28 PM
again, what exactly is your definition of a druggy tbh?

You'll find my answer wherever you asked the first time

Blake
07-11-2018, 04:30 PM
btw, nice swerve. we get it, you're a slave to bigPharma and a slave of the left.

Lol poor kw has to make shit up for his insults

koriwhat
07-11-2018, 04:33 PM
Lol poor kw has to make shit up for his insults

so you won't answer but you'll keep acting like this question doesn't exist. what meds blake?

Blake
07-11-2018, 04:53 PM
so you won't answer but you'll keep acting like this question doesn't exist. what meds blake?

:lol look at you trying to tighten the screws on your desperate question

None, druggy.

Poor poor high kw

Brazil
07-11-2018, 05:00 PM
Then what is the reason for NATOs existense moron :lmao

Of course it is to protect Europe. Who is the biggest payer and army in NATO? US by far

Of course Euro slaves took and are taking Trumps shit. They even did promise to increase their military spending in response to Trump :lol they are vassals

Now tell me if France would be happy if Trump takes his army out of europe? :lol they would shit their pants

Especially France who are known to be white flag waving pussies :lol

NATOs existed for that reason a long time ago moron.. it has been a while since NATO is made to try to police shit happening all over the world.. Protect Europe ? :lmao nowadays Europe needs protection against US... Trash just wants to cut Germany supplying of natural gaz... on this topic and many others you are a tool. Europe would be better to sign a military treaty with Puttin at this point :lol

De Gaulle went out from NATO and we came back under our own conditions with for instance 0 interference or supervision of NATO of our nuclear program...

France would give two shits if Trash take his army out of Europe.. What is protecting France is its 300 nuclear warheads not some fucking bases that NSA is using to spy european shit


US knows a bit also about white flag waving, could not take anylonger dat war in Vietnam :lol

Brazil
07-11-2018, 05:01 PM
:corn:

:lmao SnakeBoy still thinks we are in the 60s

boutons_deux
07-11-2018, 05:03 PM
What America Gets Out of NATO

By Nicholas Burns
Mr. Burns is a former ambassador to NATO.

I have visited four European countries during the last two weeks, and it has been shocking to see how far from grace the United States has fallen in the eyes of its allies. European leaders point to Mr. Trump’s support for anti-democratic populists in Hungary, Poland and Italy. They view his recent Twitter attack (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/18/world/europe/fact-check-trump-germany.html) on Ms. Merkel as a transparent attempt to push her from office.

First, NATO’s formidable conventional and nuclear forces are the most effective way to protect North America and Europe — the heart of the democratic world — from attack.

Threats to our collective security have not vanished in the 21st century. Mr. Putin remains a determined adversary preying on Eastern Europe and American elections. NATO is a force multiplier: The United States has allies who will stand by us, while Russia has none.

The United States has relied on NATO allies to strike back against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and the Islamic State in the Middle East.

European troops have replaced American soldiers in peacekeeping missions in Bosnia and contribute the large majority in Kosovo.

A second reason for maintaining the trans-Atlantic alliance is America’s economic future.

The European Union is our country’s largest trade partner, and its largest investor. The United States and the European Union are the world’s two largest economies, and can steer global trade to their advantage if they stick together. More than four million Americans work for European companies in the United States. Forty-five of the 50 states export more to Europe than to China.

Third, future American leaders will find Europe is our most capable and willing partner in tackling the biggest threats to global security:

climate change; drug and cybercrime cartels; terrorism; pandemics and mass migration from Africa and the Middle East.

And America’s NATO allies will continue to be indispensable in safeguarding democracy and freedom, under assault by Russia and China.

his blistering attacks on Europe’s trade policies and defense budgets are a good negotiating tactic before the summit.

But in fact they have already done enormous damage.

While he cannot outright kill NATO — the American public and Congress support it too strongly —

he has eroded significant levels of trust and good will.

As it became clear during my recent visits across Europe,

a dangerous breach has opened in the trans-Atlantic alliance — by far the worst in seven decades.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/opinion/what-america-gets-out-of-nato.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Fuck Trash and fuck all you Trash supporters to hell

Brazil
07-11-2018, 05:09 PM
:cry pls NATO members spend 4% :cry

:lmao

France is at 1,8 and aim 2% by 2025... Trash has surely convinced Macron to go 4% next year :lol

koriwhat
07-11-2018, 07:12 PM
:lol look at you trying to tighten the screws on your desperate question

None, druggy.

Poor poor high kw

the desperation stinks to high hell but it all falls on your head. you can call me a druggy all you want. guess what blake, i'm not high right now nor do i smoke during the day at all, i might trip once a yr on a god given substance, i don't drink really and if i do happen to it's like once or twice a yr and consists of like 1 watered down drink because i hate alcohol, i have only ever tried bud-cid-mush-xans-addys-alcohol and none of which are a daily routine for me except bud which is a nightly routine but not every night, as well i don't live off the gov't, i contribute to society, i am on no meds, but some how i am a druggy? things that make you go hmm...

now, what are you on? or do you want to keep avoiding the question which leads to a reasonable assumption that you are another slave to bigPharma?

hater
07-11-2018, 08:35 PM
NATOs existed for that reason a long time ago moron.. it has been a while since NATO is made to try to police shit happening all over the world.. Protect Europe ? :lmao nowadays Europe needs protection against US... Trash just wants to cut Germany supplying of natural gaz... on this topic and many others you are a tool. Europe would be better to sign a military treaty with Puttin at this point :lol

De Gaulle went out from NATO and we came back under our own conditions with for instance 0 interference or supervision of NATO of our nuclear program...

France would give two shits if Trash take his army out of Europe.. What is protecting France is its 300 nuclear warheads not some fucking bases that NSA is using to spy european shit


US knows a bit also about white flag waving, could not take anylonger dat war in Vietnam :lol

:lmao thinking you can protect yourself with only 300 nukes :lmao

What if an eastern europe war breaks out and causes instability in France? You gonna start shooting nukes? :lmao

Nukes for french are purely symbolic as they will never use them. They cant even nuke Germany if they decide to invade france again as the nuclear fallout would wipe out france as well :lmao

You are not even at preschool levels in terms of geopolitics nika

Now I ask you again if Germany, Britain, or even Turkey starts marching to France what will you do without Daddy USA?

You will shit your pants and wave the white flag as you have already done so

France is US vassal and will do as told

Brazil
07-11-2018, 10:21 PM
:lmao thinking you can protect yourself with only 300 nukes :lmao

What if an eastern europe war breaks out and causes instability in France? You gonna start shooting nukes? :lmao

Nukes for french are purely symbolic as they will never use them. They cant even nuke Germany if they decide to invade france again as the nuclear fallout would wipe out france as well :lmao

You are not even at preschool levels in terms of geopolitics nika

Now I ask you again if Germany, Britain, or even Turkey starts marching to France what will you do without Daddy USA?

You will shit your pants and wave the white flag as you have already done so

France is US vassal and will do as told

300 nukes is enough to kill 80 M Russians dumb fuck.. War in Eastern Europe already broke up in the past nato and Sam uncle did nothing during dat period :lol fucking tool

also :lmao Britain marching to France how can you be so stupid tbh ? Dirty Colombian speaking geopolitics :lmao

Chris
07-11-2018, 10:25 PM
300 nukes is enough to kill 80 M Russians dumb fuck.. War in Eastern Europe already broke up in the past nato and Sam uncle did nothing during dat period :lol fucking tool

also :lmao Britain marching to France how can you be so stupid tbh ? Dirty Colombian speaking geopolitics :lmao

French faggot begging for Uncle Sam to save his bacon :lmao

Brazil
07-11-2018, 10:26 PM
French faggot begging for Uncle Sam to save his bacon :lmao

:lmao 14%

hater
07-11-2018, 10:40 PM
300 nukes is enough to kill 80 M Russians dumb fuck.. War in Eastern Europe already broke up in the past nato and Sam uncle did nothing during dat period :lol fucking tool

also :lmao Britain marching to France how can you be so stupid tbh ? Dirty Colombian speaking geopolitics :lmao

You stupid ignorant moron :lol

Do you know the fallout of even 20 nukes shot from France to Russia?? :lmao

All of western europe would become pitch dark 24/7 with nuclear smoke for years

You would be eating baggettes with tentacles ya dipshit :lmao

Ya nigs cannot protect yourselves from a conventional army marching to your border wig nukes :lmao

Where did you learn your geopolitics? Asterix magazines? :lmao

Now that nukes are out of the equation I ask you once again what will you do if 100,000 russian troops and 1000 tanks are marching towards Paris?

DMX7
07-11-2018, 10:44 PM
Trump is a total humiliation.

Chucho
07-11-2018, 10:56 PM
Hater getting a big, fat W.

Winehole23
07-12-2018, 05:43 AM
So we have to both make sure that NATO carries out its traditional mission, but also to meet the threats of NATO’s southern flank. That’s why we need to stay nimble, and make sure our forces are interoperable, and invest in new capabilities like cyber defense and missile defense. And that’s why every NATO member should be contributing its full share -- 2 percent of GDP -- towards our common security, something that doesn’t always happen. And I’ll be honest, sometimes Europe has been complacent about its own defense. https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/04/25/remarks-president-obama-address-people-europe

hater
07-12-2018, 07:15 AM
Per CNN:

President Donald Trump said Thursday in an unscheduled news conference that all NATO members have agreed to increase their defense spending after he told them he was "extremely unhappy."



:lmao Brazil

American slave :lmao

Brazil
07-12-2018, 07:21 AM
You stupid ignorant moron :lol

Do you know the fallout of even 20 nukes shot from France to Russia?? :lmao

All of western europe would become pitch dark 24/7 with nuclear smoke for years

You would be eating baggettes with tentacles ya dipshit :lmao

Ya nigs cannot protect yourselves from a conventional army marching to your border wig nukes :lmao

Where did you learn your geopolitics? Asterix magazines? :lmao

Now that nukes are out of the equation I ask you once again what will you do if 100,000 russian troops and 1000 tanks are marching towards Paris?

:lol You are even more stupid than I thought
:lol Now that nukes are out of the equation
:lol not understanding how muclear dissuasion is working

Brazil
07-12-2018, 07:24 AM
Per CNN:

President Donald Trump said Thursday in an unscheduled news conference that all NATO members have agreed to increase their defense spending after he told them he was "extremely unhappy."



:lmao Brazil

American slave :lmao

:lol fucking idiot
:lol all nato members promissed the same years ago and only a couple of countries are doing it
:lol thinking Trash big mouth is making any difference
:lol the whole world just waiting the end of his presidency

Brazil
07-12-2018, 07:26 AM
:lol just read this whole cnn

so basically Trump says under my pressure they agree.. later well NATO members agree to respect agreement signed in 2014 to increase spending up to 2% :lol

:lol Hater, colombian shit defending Trash

hater
07-12-2018, 07:46 AM
Wake me up next time a french president comes to US and berates and demands increase in spending in aome area and americans take it up the ass like you guys did :lol

Now get to work slave and increase that military spending :lol

hater
07-12-2018, 07:51 AM
“Mr. Trump shared his point of view. An ally has the right to speak about strategic issues,” Macron said.

:lmao fairy boy taking it up the chute

monosylab1k
07-12-2018, 08:28 AM
Wake me up next time a french president comes to US and berates and demands increase in spending in aome area and americans take it up the ass like you guys did :lol

Now get to work slave and increase that military spending :lol

Maybe they’ll all get together and watch Gorilla TV with him tbh

Blake
07-12-2018, 08:29 AM
the desperation stinks to high hell but it all falls on your head. you can call me a druggy all you want. guess what blake, i'm not high right now nor do i smoke during the day at all, i might trip once a yr on a god given substance....

:lol

Blake
07-12-2018, 08:30 AM
now, what are you on? or do you want to keep avoiding the question which leads to a reasonable assumption that you are another slave to bigPharma?

Lol reasonable assumption.

hater
07-12-2018, 08:58 AM
Hater getting a big, fat W.

I actually agree with my brazilian counterpart that Russia is no threat and Europe is really in no grave danger

NATO was formed after WW2 primarily to prevent another invasion of Europe from anyone. But in truth it really was designed to counter and protect from Soviets.

Lets take a moment to remember Soviets NEVER invaded Western Europe.

Lately NATO was degenerated into a monster that forces war all over the world and encroaches on Russia (something that is illegal as Stalin and Teddy had signed agreements to never encroach on each other)

So now NATO is a disgusting monster that is mainly used by US to wage war for empirical purposes. Also it has enslaved Europe as they basically have no defense if you take US troops away.

Trump in his own clumsy way is trying to fix this my telking Euro countries they need to start protecting themselves and stop depending on US for protection. Trump also helping US because then he can lower US spening in Europe protection and have them pay some to US military complex.

So yes Trump is a brute but his actions might end up with a kore balanced world order and stronger Europe

Brazil
07-12-2018, 10:23 AM
Wake me up next time a french president comes to US and berates and demands increase in spending in aome area and americans take it up the ass like you guys did :lol

Now get to work slave and increase that military spending :lol


“Mr. Trump shared his point of view. An ally has the right to speak about strategic issues,” Macron said.

:lmao fairy boy taking it up the chute

you are a clown

"Everyone has agreed to substantially up their commitment. They're going to up it at levels that they never thought of before," Trump said.



But French President Emmanuel Macron Thursday rejected Trump's assertion.
"There was a communiqué released yesterday it was very detailed and I invite you to read it ... It shows the measures approved by all the member states. This communiqué is clear, it reaffirms a commitment to 2% in 2024. That is all," Macron said.

so yeah Macron confirms the commitment he made in 2014 nothing more nothing less.. now go ahead and claim victory :lol

boutons_deux
07-12-2018, 10:30 AM
Trash/Repugs/oligarchy loves "free riders" in union shops, but doesn't like to be supposedly "free ridden" by allies.

Brazil
07-12-2018, 10:35 AM
I actually agree with my brazilian counterpart that Russia is no threat and Europe is really in no grave danger

NATO was formed after WW2 primarily to prevent another invasion of Europe from anyone. But in truth it really was designed to counter and protect from Soviets.

Lets take a moment to remember Soviets NEVER invaded Western Europe.

Lately NATO was degenerated into a monster that forces war all over the world and encroaches on Russia (something that is illegal as Stalin and Teddy had signed agreements to never encroach on each other)

So now NATO is a disgusting monster that is mainly used by US to wage war for empirical purposes.

what happened bro ? you finally saw the light ? that's exactly what I was saying.. smh


Also it has enslaved Europe as they basically have no defense if you take US troops away.

It has enslaved England and small eastern european countries... It did not enslave France and in a less extent Germany.. France produces, develops and maintains his arsenal independently of NATO / US.. De Gaulle wanted it that way, it has cost a lot to France but that was the goal.. France is the only country outside US and Russia who has developped independently his nuclear arsenal..


Trump in his own clumsy way is trying to fix this my telking Euro countries they need to start protecting themselves and stop depending on US for protection. Trump also helping US because then he can lower US spening in Europe protection and have them pay some to US military complex.

So yes Trump is a brute but his actions might end up with a kore balanced world order and stronger Europe

Trash is a clown who weaken his "allies" and strenghten his "enemies", all that shit is made not thinking of US interests but thinking to reinforce his electoral base and prepare reelection

I believe the traditional alliance US/Europe should be reinforced and not the contrary

boutons_deux
07-12-2018, 10:46 AM
Trash is gonna brag, preen that he "fixed" NATO

that will turn out to like Trash's own "fake news", like he said he "fixed" NK

and you stupid, ignorant Trash-fellatin' cult will believe his "fake news" yet again.

hater
07-12-2018, 10:58 AM
what happened bro ? you finally saw the light ? that's exactly what I was saying.. smh



It has enslaved England and small eastern european countries... It did not enslave France and in a less extent Germany.. France produces, develops and maintains his arsenal independently of NATO / US.. De Gaulle wanted it that way, it has cost a lot to France but that was the goal.. France is the only country outside US and Russia who has developped independently his nuclear arsenal..



Trash is a clown who weaken his "allies" and strenghten his "enemies", all that shit is made not thinking of US interests but thinking to reinforce his electoral base and prepare reelection

I believe the traditional alliance US/Europe should be reinforced and not the contrary

Yes and Trump is saying that too. That current state of NATO is obsolete. So you actually agree with Trump :lol

France is a slave because it is and will do Trumps bidding. This is because at the moment France defense by itself is weak and it would fold like a lawn chair like it did in 1937.

You are contradicting yourself at the end because you say Europe is in no danger from the East yet want to enforc traditional NATO. What the fuck does that mean? Enforce traditional NATO give some details on that

So in the end we are in agreement with Trump that Europe is in no imminent danger. And that Euro countries need to step up their own spending on defense so they are less depndent on US

This is good for all. Good for Eurpe because they will be able to fend for themselves and stop being US puppets and go to wars on their bidding. Good for US because less money will be spent and lots of money will come in to US military complex. And good for the world as there will be lot more balance all around.

:tu

Brazil
07-12-2018, 12:22 PM
Yes and Trump is saying that too. That current state of NATO is obsolete. So you actually agree with Trump :lol

France is a slave because it is and will do Trumps bidding. This is because at the moment France defense by itself is weak and it would fold like a lawn chair like it did in 1937.

You are contradicting yourself at the end because you say Europe is in no danger from the East yet want to enforc traditional NATO. What the fuck does that mean? Enforce traditional NATO give some details on that

So in the end we are in agreement with Trump that Europe is in no imminent danger. And that Euro countries need to step up their own spending on defense so they are less depndent on US

This is good for all. Good for Eurpe because they will be able to fend for themselves and stop being US puppets and go to wars on their bidding. Good for US because less money will be spent and lots of money will come in to US military complex. And good for the world as there will be lot more balance all around.

:tu

Based on what are you saying France defense is weak ? France defense pilar is nuclear dissuasion, France has a dozen of nuclear submarines that are perfectly capable to bring nuclear threat anywhere in the world, French traditional forces are more than enough to deal with the rest of the threats. You are the one contradicting yourself since the beginning :lol Britain or Russian marching towards France... smh.. you change your arguments every two posts, at one point it is Europe needs protection of uncle sam and now it is Europe does not need protection so let's get rid of NATO ? oh and your contradictions continue.. if Europe is not in danger why would Europe need to spend more on defense ?

I never said NATO is obsolete, NATO centered around defending US and Europe against Russian threat would be obsolete not really the case anymore.. Trash is asking Europe to increase defense spending for political reasons not because he believes Europe should be autonomous on its defense. I don't have numbers but I'm pretty sure US economy benefits more from NATO than the contrary.

Finally when I said traditional alliance should be reinforced I'm not talking about specifically NATO. My point is that Trash do is very best to weaken this alliance through trashing NATO and launching trade wars left and right when he should for the sake of everybody do the opposite.

World is gonna be dominated soon by China, Russia is becoming stronger, Islamism is growing, planet earth is becoming a giant trash can... we can face that together Europe+US or we can deal with that individually and break current alliance... I know what I prefer...

If Europe is pushed around the corner, Europe will tie new alliances with China/Russia and this is exactly what it is happening...

boutons_deux
07-12-2018, 12:26 PM
de Gaulle took France nuclear because he realized France didn't have the industrial might to build a competitive non-nuclear force, couldn't compete with USA or Russia (turns out Russia's industrial might was a charade pushed by the CIA, a charade that was exposed when USSR collapsed)

hater
07-12-2018, 12:31 PM
Based on what are you saying France defense is weak ? France defense pilar is nuclear dissuasion, France has a dozen of nuclear submarines that are perfectly capable to bring nuclear threat anywhere in the world, French traditional forces are more than enough to deal with the rest of the threats. You are the one contradicting yourself since the beginning :lol Britain or Russian marching towards France... smh.. you change your arguments every two posts, at one point it is Europe needs protection of uncle sam and now it is Europe does not need protection so let's get rid of NATO ? oh and your contradictions continue.. if Europe is not in danger why would Europe need to spend more on defense ?

I never said NATO is obsolete, NATO centered around defending US and Europe against Russian threat would be obsolete not really the case anymore.. Trash is asking Europe to increase defense spending for political reasons not because he believes Europe should be autonomous on its defense. I don't have numbers but I'm pretty sure US economy benefits more from NATO than the contrary.

Finally when I said traditional alliance should be reinforced I'm not talking about specifically NATO. My point is that Trash do is very best to weaken this alliance through trashing NATO and launching trade wars left and right when he should for the sake of everybody do the opposite.

World is gonna be dominated soon by China, Russia is becoming stronger, Islamism is growing, planet earth is becoming a giant trash can... we can face that together Europe+US or we can deal with that individually and break current alliance... I know what I prefer...

If Europe is pushed around the corner, Europe will tie new alliances with China/Russia and this is exactly what it is happening...


Yes france has nukes you have repeated it hundred times. That is not equivalent to having a strong army. Those nukes are useless vs a conventional army coose to your borders. You cannot nuke them and avoid wiping out lots of your population.

France conventional army is weak when compared to the big boys qnd would easily be overrun by anforce of 100,000 troops

So no France does not have strong defense vs a massive invasion by a strong army.

You qre depnding on Papa Trump and will do as told

Brazil
07-12-2018, 12:34 PM
de Gaulle took France nuclear because he realized France didn't have the industrial might to build a competitive non-nuclear force, couldn't compete with USA or Russia (turns out Russia's industrial might was a charade pushed by the CIA, a charade that was exposed when USSR collapsed)

exactly.. France population is 67 M.. there is no way you can build an army to compete with Russia, USA and nowadays China.. only option was Nuclear dissuasion and a small independent traditional force to bring dat threat everywhere and to deal with local conflicts..

England chose another approach and basically surrended its defense to the americans.. germans for obvious reasons have been obliged to keep their defense at the bare minimum untill 20 / 30 years ago.. the rest (Spain, Italy...) did not have the economic strength to do anything relevant

Brazil
07-12-2018, 12:41 PM
Yes france has nukes you have repeated it hundred times. That is not equivalent to having a strong army. Those nukes are useless vs a conventional army coose to your borders. You cannot nuke them and avoid wiping out lots of your population.

France conventional army is weak when compared to the big boys qnd would easily be overrun by anforce of 100,000 troops

So no France does not have strong defense vs a massive invasion by a strong army.

You qre depnding on Papa Trump and will do as told

and you still don't get it :lol dear god

a defense based on an operational and significant nuclear arsenal is not weak... nuclear dissuasion is not made to nuke troops marching on your country.. :lmao nuclear dissuasion is to dissuade any nation willing to nuke French territory and also make to dissuade anybody to march on your country.. if the red army decide to march on france, france won't try to stop them with traditional force but will launch nuclear strikes on russian soil..

what the fuck bro.. why do you think North Korea want that bad a nuclear arsenal you idiot ? to precisely avoid anybody invading its territory...

Russian are gonna take the risk to invade France and risk the death of 80 M of their people :lol

hater
07-12-2018, 12:52 PM
Again you cannot use your nukes in a regional war.


How many germans were lost when they paraded into paris in June 17, 1940?

Typical French :lol “we all good we got nukes. Noone will boher us” :lmao

Then they wave the white flag and beg US for help

Pavlov
07-12-2018, 01:02 PM
Again you cannot use your nukes in a regional war.


How many germans were lost when they paraded into paris in June 17, 1940?

Typical French :lol “we all good we got nukes. Noone will boher us” :lmao

Then they wave the white flag and beg US for helpFrance certainly would've nuked Germany if they had them in WWII.

Blake
07-12-2018, 01:08 PM
France certainly would've nuked Germany if they had them in WWII.

lebomb

hater
07-12-2018, 01:36 PM
We wouldnt have baggettes and French Fries would be called Canadian Fries tbqh as the fallout would have obliterated france as well :lol

Pavlov
07-12-2018, 01:43 PM
We wouldnt have baggettes and French Fries would be called Canadian Fries tbqh as the fallout would have obliterated france as well :lolYou know, Japan still exists after being hit by two WWII nukes. Germany was about the same size as Japan and France is quite a bit larger. You're going to have to show your work to prove this claim.

You won't.

hater
07-12-2018, 01:46 PM
The 300 nukes france has are imensely more powerful. And Japan was in taters not in the Nazi prime where many more wpuld have been needed

Stick to your dayjob tbqh :lmao

Chris
07-12-2018, 01:46 PM
lol Pavlov confusing thermonuclear bombs with fission bombs

hater
07-12-2018, 01:52 PM
lol Pavlov confusing thermonuclear bombs with fission bombs

:lmao

Pavlov
07-12-2018, 01:52 PM
The 300 nukes france has are imensely more powerful. And Japan was in taters not in the Nazi prime where many more wpuld have been needed

Stick to your dayjob tbqh :lmaoWe're talking about WWII nukes being used in WWII.

lol hater mad

Pavlov
07-12-2018, 01:54 PM
lol Pavlov confusing thermonuclear bombs with fission bombslol WWII bombs being used in WWII.

But sure, the French definitely would've used a fusion bomb if it had one back then. No question.

hater
07-12-2018, 02:01 PM
So besides going along with his fantasy if France had nukes in ww2 and would have most definitely used them, he has the audacity to tell us which exact nukes and power they fantastically can have and which they cannot :lmao

:lmao chump

Pavlov
07-12-2018, 02:14 PM
So besides going along with his fantasy if France had nukes in ww2 and would have most definitely used them, he has the audacity to tell us which exact nukes and power they fantastically can have and which they cannot :lmao

:lmao chumpYou want them to have the most modern nukes in WWII?

OK.

They magically have them in WWII.

And they use them on Germany.

Pretty simple.

hater
07-12-2018, 02:18 PM
:lmao there were no nukes in 1940 retard :lol

We are discussing Frances current nukes not ones used on Japan

You have fail written all over you just move on :lmao

Pavlov
07-12-2018, 02:20 PM
:lmao there were no nukes in 1940 retard :lolNo shit. Hence the word "if."

Words are hard for you.


We are discussing Frances current nukes not ones used on Japan

You have fail written all over you just move on :lmaolol hater has never heard of variable yield, either.

Brazil
07-12-2018, 02:33 PM
Again you cannot use your nukes in a regional war.


How many germans were lost when they paraded into paris in June 17, 1940?

Typical French :lol “we all good we got nukes. Noone will boher us” :lmao

Then they wave the white flag and beg US for help

and why exactly I cannot use nukes in a regional war ? :lol have you any idea of the distance between Paris and Moscow ? :lmao

if I don't use it for regional war I'm going to use on what ? nuke china ? :lmao

If Russian march on France, France will trigger nuclear strike on major russian cities.. how this is that complicated to understand ?

also yeah exactly we got nukes, none will bother us on our territory.. this is how nuclear dissuasion works dumbass

hater
07-12-2018, 02:47 PM
and why exactly I cannot use nukes in a regional war ? :lol have you any idea of the distance between Paris and Moscow ? :lmao

if I don't use it for regional war I'm going to use on what ? nuke china ? :lmao

If Russian march on France, France will trigger nuclear strike on major russian cities.. how this is that complicated to understand ?

also yeah exactly we got nukes, none will bother us on our territory.. this is how nuclear dissuasion works dumbass

So let me get it straight. 100,000 troops are marching inside your border and you will blow your load on russian cities.

Do you think that will make the 100,000 troops walk back? :lmao

You dont think they will take it out on your women and children and create Russia v2.0 in baggetteland?

No thats not what nukes are for idiot. Nukes are there to prevent other countries from nuking you. Its called Mutual Assured Destruction

Pavlov
07-12-2018, 02:49 PM
So let me get it straight. 100,000 troops are marching inside your border and you will blow your load on russian cities.

Do you think that will make the 100,000 troops walk back? :lmao

You dont think they will take it out on your women and children and create Russia v2.0 in baggetteland?

No thats not what nukes are for idiot. Nukes are there to prevent other countries from nuking you. Its called Mutual Assured Destructionhater admits he has never heard of variable yield

lol hater

hater
07-12-2018, 02:56 PM
Watch out

Here comes Chumpy with his fantasies about French developing a time machine and shipping a mini nuke to 1940 :lmao

Pavlov
07-12-2018, 03:00 PM
Watch out

Here comes Chumpy with his fantasies about French developing a time machine and shipping a mini nuke to 1940 :lmaolol hater still having problems with the word "if" and trying to distract from his complete ignorance of the concept of variable yield.

The only thing left for him is an emoji storm.

koriwhat
07-12-2018, 03:16 PM
Lol reasonable assumption.

you make assumptions of me here all the time... i'd wager my assumption of you used as a pawn on bigPharma's chessboard is dead on. why do i think i hit the nail on the head, because you keep deflecting or outright not answering. it's ok blake; we can all tell how nuts you are by what you post here so you don't have to answer the question after all.

sorry if that's the case though because our society has been riddled with pills for everything 10 fold the past couple decades. i remember when i was a kid and you knew of this kid in school on ritalin but didn't know the kid personally. then it went to everyone becoming bi-polar when i got into college and now everyone is on something because the world is cruel and dealing with issues with pills is an easier solution but a worse outcome in the end.

good luck blake. :tu

Brazil
07-12-2018, 03:35 PM
So let me get it straight. 100,000 troops are marching inside your border and you will blow your load on russian cities.

Do you think that will make the 100,000 troops walk back? :lmao

You dont think they will take it out on your women and children and create Russia v2.0 in baggetteland?

No thats not what nukes are for idiot. Nukes are there to prevent other countries from nuking you. Its called Mutual Assured Destruction

I'm done with you, you are not worth it :lol

the point of having nuclear strike is to prevent to have 100 000 dudes marching on your border.. why in hell Russia would take the risk to put in danger 80 M of his people to invade France ?

Mutual assured destruction is one part of the equation and works for Russia and USA not for France... again why would Russia, China or USA want to erase France from the map ?... France nuclear dissuasion has never been designed for mutual assured destruction for the simple fact France does not have the necessary amount of nukes to destroy Russia entirely. French arsenal is limited and designed to specific targets and is not aimed at destroying an entire country

you have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about but I'm not particularly surprised... :lmao

Brazil
07-12-2018, 03:37 PM
but yeah go ahead hater and make it sound you know your shit about nuclear dissuasion or nato :lol

Chris
07-12-2018, 03:43 PM
:lmao there were no nukes in 1940 retard :lol

We are discussing Frances current nukes not ones used on Japan

You have fail written all over you just move on :lmao

:lol Today's Pavlov

hater
07-12-2018, 03:46 PM
I'm done with you, you are not worth it :lol

the point of having nuclear strike is to prevent to have 100 000 dudes marching on your border.. why in hell Russia would take the risk to put in danger 80 M of his people to invade France ?

Mutual assured destruction is one part of the equation and works for Russia and USA not for France... again why would Russia, China or USA want to erase France from the map ?... France nuclear dissuasion has never been designed for mutual assured destruction for the simple fact France does not have the necessary amount of nukes to destroy Russia entirely. French arsenal is limited and designed to specific targets and is not aimed at destroying an entire country

you have absolutely no clue of what you are talking about but I'm not particularly surprised... :lmao

Then why is France in NATO retard? :lmao

If nobody will dare attack France because they have nukes whats the point of them being in it for 50+ years?

And dont tell me to help its neighors. Pussy France did not lift a finger when Hitler took Poland, Switzerland and Luxemburg :lmao

apalisoc_9
07-12-2018, 03:47 PM
Without US or Russia, Erdogan would have the confidence to go for the jagular in mainland europe.

Europeans need to be thankul daddy USA is protecting them because either putin or erdogan mean business.

Chris
07-12-2018, 03:51 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dh7NbIjVAAAwO4q.jpg:large

hater
07-12-2018, 03:53 PM
Without US or Russia, Erdogan would have the confidence to go for the jagular in mainland europe.

Europeans need to be thankul daddy USA is protecting them because either putin or erdogan mean business.

Yup pretty much

Erdopig would first open his borders to let the black/brown barbarian hordes of refugees flood entire europe and then hed march his 100,000 Turks all the way to champs delyses while Brazil is looking for the nuclear button in his pants :lmao

Brazil
07-12-2018, 03:55 PM
Then why is France in NATO retard? :lmao

If nobody will dare attack France because they have nukes whats the point of them being in it for 50+ years?

And dont tell me to help its neighors. Pussy France did not lift a finger when Hitler took Poland, Switzerland and Luxemburg :lmao

:lol I see you continue to be stupid

explain to me how mutual assured destruction works in the case of France ?

France left NATO and returned under special agreement to be part of a global aliance between Europe and USA to defend both interests all over the world for instance in Africa or even in Europe where NATO acted (badly btw) in the issue of ex yugoslavia... certainely not because France is afraid of a Russian invasion.

you are making a fool of yourself in this thread.. stick to soccer forum and your takes on US internal affair.. again not sure why a fucking colombian is spending his time defending Trash

boutons_deux
07-12-2018, 03:56 PM
Without US or Russia, Erdogan would have the confidence to go for the jagular in mainland europe.

Europeans need to be thankul daddy USA is protecting them because either putin or erdogan mean business.

:lol

Erdogan doesn't have means to attack Europe. and what would be the point, the objective?

He's commandeered Turkey, will steal $Bs like all autocrats do. He's got his hands full with the Armenians.

Blake
07-12-2018, 04:00 PM
you make assumptions of me here all the time...

I assume you're a druggy because you literally say you use drugs on a regular basis.

That's why my assumption of you is reasonable.



i'd wager my assumption of you used as a pawn on bigPharma's chessboard is dead on. why do i think i hit the nail on the head, because you keep deflecting or outright not answering. it's ok blake; we can all tell how nuts you are by what you post here so you don't have to answer the question after all.

1. I've never mentioned I'm on any kind of medication. Your assumption is completely irrational. You simply made it up because you're clearly angry.

2. I've answered twice now with a "no".

3. What the fuck is wrong with you?

apalisoc_9
07-12-2018, 04:02 PM
:lol

Erdogan doesn't have means to attack Europe. and what would be the point, the objective?

He's commandeered Turkey, will steal $Bs like all autocrats do. He's got his hands full with the Armenians.

Erdogan is the strongest NATO memeber that isnt an american pet. :lol

All erdogan have to do is spread confusion and disaray. They would lose if all Europe not including russia fought together and cooperated but thats not going to happen.

Russia will most likely take over eastern euro

Blake
07-12-2018, 04:02 PM
...and now everyone is on something because the world is cruel and dealing with issues with pills is an easier solution but a worse outcome in the end.

good luck blake. :tu

You smoke dope, moron.

Smh.

koriwhat
07-12-2018, 04:08 PM
I assume you're a druggy because you literally say you use drugs on a regular basis.

That's why my assumption of you is reasonable.

i can conclude you'd be right but it really depends on your definition of what a druggy is exactly. you drink coffee, smoke cigarettes, or any other vices? i'd say you're a druggy too if that's the case.

my definition of a druggy is one that loses all sense of reality around them due to a substance which has taken over their lives. mostly methheads, crackheads, cokeheads, pill poppers, etc but i don't consider bud a problem unless you make it so(those that have to smoke just to take a piss or put on their socks... lol).

it all depends really but i totally understand where you're coming from.


1. I've never mentioned I'm on any kind of medication. Your assumption is completely irrational. You simply made it up because you're clearly angry.

2. I've answered twice now with a "no".

3. What the fuck is wrong with you?

it might be irrational but so is your assumption that i'm clearly angry when i'm not. i simply ask you questions and because we butt heads doesn't mean i have any anger towards you at that specific moment or at any time. you are an anonymous person on the net. i don't get angry with yall i just smh. yall see me replying as anger, melting down, etc because i get it; it's yalls tactic to make it look like yall are getting under my skin and others. i don't care for any of yall personally and i don't get all flustered by anything posted her tbh.

btw, i must have overlooked your answer of "no" both times. my bad! :tu

hater
07-12-2018, 04:09 PM
:lol I see you continue to be stupid

explain to me how mutual assured destruction works in the case of France ?

France left NATO and returned under special agreement to be part of a global aliance between Europe and USA to defend both interests all over the world for instance in Africa or even in Europe where NATO acted (badly btw) in the issue of ex yugoslavia... certainely not because France is afraid of a Russian invasion.

you are making a fool of yourself in this thread.. stick to soccer forum and your takes on US internal affair.. again not sure why a fucking colombian is spending his time defending Trash

:lmao you just said nobody will dare attack france cause they have nukes

And now uou said they are in NATO to defend their interests :lmao

Pick a lane niga :lmao

Blake
07-12-2018, 04:09 PM
i can conclude you'd be right but it really depends on your definition of what a druggy is exactly. you drink coffee, smoke cigarettes, or any other vices? i'd say you're a druggy too if that's the case.

my definition of a druggy is one that loses all sense of reality around them due to a substance which has taken over their lives. mostly methheads, crackheads, cokeheads, pill poppers, etc but i don't consider bud a problem unless you make it so(those that have to smoke just to take a piss or put on their socks... lol).

it all depends really but i totally understand where you're coming from.



it might be irrational but so is your assumption that i'm clearly angry when i'm not. i simply ask you questions and because we butt heads doesn't mean i have any anger towards you at that specific moment or at any time. you are an anonymous person on the net. i don't get angry with yall i just smh. yall see me replying as anger, melting down, etc because i get it; it's yalls tactic to make it look like yall are getting under my skin and others. i don't care for any of yall personally and i don't get all flustered by anything posted her tbh.

btw, i must have overlooked your answer of "no" both times. my bad! :tu

Tldr don't care and I probably disagree any way.

Sorry, druggy. :tu

koriwhat
07-12-2018, 04:10 PM
You smoke dope, moron.

Smh.

dope huh? again, what's your definition or are you out of your league even discussing drugs, users, vices, etc?

i didn't smoke yesterday at all and wasn't freaking out to find any nor smoke any. i dropped everything for 2 yrs before just for the fuck of it. last time i checked, druggies can't do such a thing without chills, vomiting, emotional mood swings, death...

you're out of your league man.

koriwhat
07-12-2018, 04:11 PM
Tldr don't care and I probably disagree any way.

Sorry, druggy. :tu

so i try to have a nice back and forth with you but you just "tl;dr"? what's the point then right? fuck your side then. rot in hell!

Blake
07-12-2018, 04:41 PM
Lol "nice back and forth"

Stfu, druggy piece of shit.

Blake
07-12-2018, 04:43 PM
i didn't smoke yesterday at all and wasn't freaking out

Wow congrats man

Chris
07-12-2018, 04:46 PM
Atheist Blake, the party pooper.

Blake
07-12-2018, 04:49 PM
Atheist Blake, the party pooper.

Fake Christian Chris apparently wants to party with a tattoo drawing druggy.

koriwhat
07-12-2018, 07:00 PM
Lol "nice back and forth"

Stfu, druggy piece of shit.

you're mad because you really have no leg to stand on.

so i'm a druggy and you're a spineless sissy "man". i'm fine with that. :tu

koriwhat
07-12-2018, 07:02 PM
Atheist Blake, the party pooper.

nah chris, he's just trying to act like he's never done anything so no one can call him out on his bs hypocrisy.

Blake
07-12-2018, 07:42 PM
so i'm a druggy.....i'm fine with that. :tu

Step 1

Blake
07-12-2018, 07:43 PM
nah chris, he's just trying to act like he's never done anything so no one can call him out on his bs hypocrisy.

You tried to pin addiction to pharmacy drugs on me.

You're a piece of shit.

koriwhat
07-12-2018, 08:34 PM
You tried to pin addiction to pharmacy drugs on me.

You're a piece of shit.

have you done any drugs in your life time? do tell druggy!

with your own definition we can include caffeine, tobacco, and plenty of other overthecounter stuff. lets see who the real druggy is here after all. are the epilepsy kids on cbd/thc oil druggies?

you're worse than a bible thumper if you truly believe smoking bud constitutes as being a druggy. i'd agree that some have a problem with moderation but i don't. aren't druggies those that can't and won't even pause for a min with whatever vice they choose? so you think i'm in the same category as a methhead or a heroin junkie because i smoke bud? lmao you're ridiculous.

ps: btw i still don't believe you about the meds but that's neither here nor there.

boutons_deux
07-12-2018, 10:58 PM
How German News Covered Trump's NATO Visit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aZXPAHpGC8

cheguevara
07-12-2018, 11:59 PM
How German News Covered Trump's NATO Visit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aZXPAHpGC8



that was dumb

boutons_deux
07-13-2018, 07:07 AM
that was dumb

Trash is world-infamous for his pee-pee tape, tatooed with it forever, along with pussy grabbing, his legacy so uplifting to America's place in the world.

What's fucking DUMB is Trash's cult, not knowing who has fucked them for decades into unfuckabability, thinking Trash was going to fuck those fuckers.

boutons_deux
07-13-2018, 07:19 AM
Trash (self-annointed as Mr Brexit) claims victory at NATO despite allies' denials, then ignites furor in Britain by attacking prime minister

President Trump declared a much-disputed victory at the annual NATO summit Thursday, after throwing it into crisis by forcing an emergency session

suggesting the United States could leave the nearly 70-year-old alliance and then suddenly dropping his demands that allies immediately spend more on their militaries. :lol

After claiming success in Brussels at an impromptu news conference, Trump flew to London — but not before setting a time bomb ahead of his meetings with an embattled Prime Minister Theresa May.

In an interview with a British tabloid before boarding his plane, Trump attacked May, touted her rival Boris Johnson as a “great prime minister” and said

immigration had cost Europe its culture.

“I think it changed the fabric of Europe and, unless you act very quickly, it’s never going to be what it was, and I don’t mean that in a positive way,” Trump told the Sun, a tabloid owned by his sometime ally Rupert Murdoch.

“Allowing the immigration to take place in Europe is a shame.”

certain to fuel a growing revolt against her within her Conservative Party. Johnson, who resigned earlier this week from the job of Foreign Minister, has been weighing a challenge to May over her handling of the Brexit talks.

The comments — an extraordinary intervention by a U.S. president in an allied country’s politics

French President Emmanuel Macron, in his own closing news conference, said

NATO members generally had made no new commitments.

He also said that Trump “never at any moment, either in public or in private, threatened to withdraw from NATO.”

Trump told the tabloid that May had mishandled Brexit —

“I (iow, Pootin :lol ) actually told Theresa May how do to it, but she didn’t listen to me” — and that her plan for it “is a much different deal than the one the people voted on.”

The president added that she’d probably ended chances for a new trade deal with the U.S. as well. Her plan, he said, “will definitely affect trade with the United States, unfortunately in a negative way.”

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-nato-20180712-story.html#

So Trash is going to "hurt" UK for not doing a "hard Brexit", for not following his orders?

Pootin and his mafiya are laughing their asses off as their "intelligence asset" Trash spreads chaos in Russia's rivals of EU and NATO, just as Pootin ordered him to do, while degrading USA in the world's eyes, to Russia's benefit.

Up next? Trash and Pootin "take a walk in the woods" in Helsinki

boutons_deux
07-13-2018, 07:45 AM
https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/M5aYZZyqmAnDa4l_Fy7tFM5DjBDQRRhOmSl1oZktr_a1mVhU0_ xjVR3h26F9K-z7JCrj8SPim0p__y2vKHrr_e-gA0gO7KKAU5csbFjzSypfHJXyxvFsFsMTJtLmfaKQIeRH23SHl lKajVbjYccmnCCj3Q=s0-d-e1-ft#http://i2.cmail20.com/ei/t/AE/2F3/494/205329/csfinal/e09b0212-9a11-47d7-98f0-5b5bc643cd47.jpg

boutons_deux
07-18-2018, 12:31 AM
Trump blatantly lies about NATO, then reveals he doesn’t understand the purpose of the alliance

"Why should my son go to Montenegro to defend it from attack?"

During an interview with Tucker Carlson that aired on Tuesday night, President Trump blatantly lied about NATO, claiming the United States covers 90 percent of the costs of the alliance.

“We’re not going to pay 90 percent of the cost to defend Europe,” Trump said

Trump’s claim is a brazen lie.

The United States, which spends more than twice as much on defense as the second biggest-spending country in the world (China),

currently covers about 22 percent of the cost of NATO (https://thinkprogress.org/trumps-impromptu-press-conference-at-nato-signals-a-huge-shift-in-u-s-foreign-policy-b465196ba710/).

But Trump’s lie about NATO illustrates how

he uses repetition to launder lies (https://thinkprogress.org/trumps-big-lie-about-james-clapper-fox-news-republicans-9f4705a23a39/).

Before he left for the NATO summit last week, Trump tweeted that “By some accounts, the U.S. is paying for 90% of NATO.”

Trump expressed profound confusion about the very purpose of the alliance.

“Membership in NATO obligates the members to defend any other member who has been attacked,” Carlson said to him. “Let’s say Montenegro — which joined last year — is attacked. Why should my son go to Montenegro to defend it from attack?”

Trump suggested he shouldn’t.

Though the president seems to think NATO is about the American military protecting Europe from Russia,

the entire purpose of NATO is that member countries defend each other.

This is something former President Ronald Reagan understood.

In 1988, Reagan said

“our first priority is to maintain a strong and healthy partnership between North America and Europe…

We will never sacrifice the interests of this partnership in any agreement with the Soviet Union.”

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-nato-lies-tucker-carlson-interview-9059477679d4/

Trash is aasstupid, ignorant as all y'all Trash fellators

Winehole23
07-18-2018, 09:30 AM
lol boutons propping himself up on Ronald Reagan and defending the imperial status quo