Shams: Spurs Sign Bertans to 2-yr/$14.5M Deal

[BatManu20]

Only 2 years, but $7.25M per.

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[SAGirl]

Hmmm Less years and he got a raise. Good for him.

[Robz4000]

:lmao holy shit PATFO

[dabom]

BillMc :hat

[raybies]

So I guess we thought he was more valuable. Can't see this board taking this contract very well...

[MoSpur02]

Great. Salt on the wound. More than $7 million on a guy who can't create or play defense?

[TrainOfThought5]

We're gonna be a lottery team with the way this season is going.

[Drewlius]

I love Bertans but he is extremely one dimensional. This seems like a pretty bad overpay.

[r0drig0lac]

https://cilisos.my/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/computer-smash-other-guys-Mark-Wahlberg-angry.gif

[Robz4000]

This offseason is approaching last year's level of shittiness.

[Holden_Caulfield]

Lol would've rather just matched Kyle's instead of bertans and forbes

[SpurPadre]

Manu, get off this sinking ship and enjoy your retirement. You deserve so much better than this shit, tbh.

[LkrFan]

:wow

[spursistan]

Per annum salary that's quite an overpay..Hope the 2nd year is team option.

[NASpurs]

Spurs are on a one-way ticket to mediocrity with PATFO leading the way. Ever since Duncan left, this organization has gone full-retard. And you never go full-retard.

[Dex]

In before they sign Forbes to 2/12

[Keepin' it real]

:lobt2:

[Texas_Ranger]

Tanking time.

[DPG21920]

I really, really hope the 2nd year is only a small guarantee. This year does not matter too much in the scheme of things, but next year does.

Pay him 30M this year, I don’t care just don’t clog up cap space next year.

[TrainOfThought5]

Lol would've rather just matched Kyle's instead of bertans and forbes

[Mugen]

Would not be surprised if Forbes gets 4mil a year now, what a fucking shitshow from RC and Pop

[coachmac87]

Lmao holy shit

[TimDunkem]

I really, really hope the 2nd year is only a small guarantee. This year does not matter too much in the scheme of things, but next year does.

Pay him 30M this year, I don’t care just don’t clog up cap space next year.

Culture and corporate knowledge tho

[spurraider21]

this is why i thought 4/20 was a good value deal

[Mugen]

so you clog up 2019 space with additional dead money to Bertans and fucking Bryn Forbes.

If they end up trading Kawhi for garbage, then I really hope RC goes to Philly tbh.

[TD 21]

I really, really hope the 2nd year is only a small guarantee. This year does not matter too much in the scheme of things, but next year does.

Pay him 30M this year, I don’t care just don’t clog up cap space next year.

That's probably what this is. Similar to the Favors and Bradley contracts.

If this is the case though, then why wasn't this logic applied to Belinelli?

[SpurPadre]

As a fathead hater, I'll say without no hesitation:

Fathead>Bertans and Forbes

[TimDunkem]

As a fathead hater, I'll say without no hesitation:

Fathead>Bertans and Forbes

Fathead had no culture tho

[spurraider21]

uncle dennis got nothing on bertans' agent tbh

also jon gruden better be the raiders savior. cause the spur are goin nowhere fast with these decisions

[RD2191]

Fathead had no culture tho

:lmao

[NASpurs]

Only way to justify any of this is if we trade Mills.

Let’s be real though, there’s no justification. Just a bunch of shitty decisions.

[Mugen]

uncle dennis got nothing on bertans' agent tbh

also jon gruden better be the raiders savior. cause the spur are goin nowhere fast with these decisions

:lol Would have never thought that the Raiders FO would be light years ahead than RC/Pop tbh, this is embarrassing

[baseline bum]

You gotta be fucking kidding me

[raybies]

Lol would've rather just matched Kyle's instead of bertans and forbes
that was a point i was making about kyle in the other thread... they got to spend the rest of the money somehow..

[phxspurfan]

Wow, good thing the contract is only 2 years.

[ECOV]

Haters gonna hate lovers gonna love

[DPG21920]

That's probably what this is. Similar to the Favors and Bradley contracts.

If this is the case though, then why wasn't this logic applied to Belinelli?

It might have been. We have not seen Beli’s deal.

[Holden_Caulfield]

What a shitty roster during Aldridge remaining years. Patty, bertans, gasol and Forbes :lol

I would ask to be traded if I'm LaMarcus tbh

[Seventyniner]

All I can surmise is that the Spurs are trying to prioritize cap space next summer and especially in 2020. Anderson at $9M is a far better deal than Bertans + Beli at $13.2M.

[DPG21920]

Look, the issue is not the players overall but the length of the deals. If it’s one year it makes perfect sense.

But if it’s not? We know this team was a low ceiling team last year. Why would anyone deserve raises and why would you invest more into that team with no ceiling regardless of Kawhi?

Even if you got good assets for Kawhi, those pieces aren’t worth raises to keep around more than one year. Spurs are paying more money, as things stand now, for A WORSE TEAM.

[TimDunkem]

Look, the issue is not the players overall but the length of the deals. If it’s one year it makes perfect sense.

But if it’s not? We know this team was a low ceiling team last year. Why would anyone deserve raises and why would you invest more into that team with no ceiling regardless of Kawhi?

Even if you got good assets for Kawhi, those pieces aren’t worth raises to keep around more than one year. Spurs are paying more money, as things stand now, for A WORSE TEAM.

:lol Expecting any different. Last year's offseason showed us what their priorities are: "Culture" and "continuity", even if that means continuing this shit show of mediocrity.

[DPG21920]

:lol Expecting any different. Last year's offseason showed us what their priorities are: "Culture" and "continuity", even if that means continuing this shit show of mediocrity.

If you have Kawhi then it made perfect sense. But now we have another year of data, we don’t have Kawhi and flexibility is key moving forward.

Beli & Bertans 2nd year details will be huge. Forbes deal will be sub 3M (god I hope) so I’m not worried about that one as much.

[noles1983]

Fuck this team, not watching this next season tbh.

[Mugen]

If you have Kawhi then it made perfect sense. But now we have another year of data, we don’t have Kawhi and flexibility is key moving forward.

Beli & Bertans 2nd year details will be huge. Forbes deal will be sub 3M (god I hope) so I’m not worried about that one as much.

You are going to be in for a huge disappointed, Deep. On all fronts.

[DPG21920]

Watch this FO bring in DeRozan and run me off as a fan :lol

[BackHome]

Yeah but tbh Fathead got a much nicer contact. Bling bling

[TD 21]

It might have been. We have not seen Beli’s deal.

According to Pincus, it's a player option . . .

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/

[DPG21920]

According to Pincus, it's a player option . . .

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/

Im guessing it is a PO, but that is just an estimate from Pincus.

[Keepin' it real]

According to Pincus, it's a player option . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zweVYC9H1lY

[bklynspursfan]

Fuck this team, not watching this next season tbh.

Deuces

[TD 21]

Im guessing it is a PO, but that is just an estimate from Pincus.

The financial breakdown is an estimate, not the PO. You can't estimate that.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zweVYC9H1lY

:lol

[Mr. Body]

I'm glad we're finally dispensing with defense.

[DAF86]

Holy fuck. :lol

[bklynspursfan]

People complain with long contracts, then people complain with short contracts that likely give the team some flexibility next summer.

[slick'81]

It just keeps getting worse smh

[kobyz]

ok, so i think i'll go with sagirl, as of right now i'm switching team and i'm a memphis grizzlies fan!!

[gambit1990]

spurs don't have a lot of money to spend... if you were expecting a splash it's gonna come via trade. not defending resigning forbes though.

would be happy with jabari signing but that's unlikely.

[TimDunkem]

Deuces

Personally, I'll root for this team in every game no matter who is on it, but you can't expect us to be excited over fadeaway 2's and Davis/Forbes/Gasoft/etc. This is going to be the most boring season in years.

[DAF86]

Is it time for PATFO to call it quits?

I'm seriously worried about what they end up getting for Kawhi. :(

[TimDunkem]

People complain with long contracts, then people complain with short contracts that likely give the team some flexibility next summer.

People complain about shitty players getting new deals. Also, I love how this mythical "flexibility" gets pushed back every summer. Seems like just yesterday we were all talking about all that cap space in 2017. Then it was this year...Now it's the next. Next year we will be talking about flexibility in 2020. :lol

[timtonymanu]

Personally, I'll root for this team in every game no matter who is on it, but you can't expect us to be excited over fadeaway 2's and Davis/Forbes/Gasoft/etc. This is going to be the most boring season in years.

Same roster as last year so I expect the same lot of overpassing and awkward shot selection we kept seeing in the offense because no one can create their own shots. Only way to salvage the season is giving Walker/White extended playing time. I'll root for the team too, but that offense is painful to watch.

[TheGreatYacht]

Makes sense that PATFO just doesn't give a fuck anymore. Craterface has a backup gig guaranteed under his sleeve that he only has to show up to during the summer, and Drunkford is still living off of Duncan's coattails. Just hope we can trade the latter, Doc Rivers style, before the league finds out he's a fraud.

[HarlemHeat37]

I really, really hope that Forbes, Belinelli, Bertans and Mills aren't ALL in the rotation:lol

They should be looking for high-level 2-way players like they had in 2013 and 2014, not bottom-level defensive liabilities..even if they don't have money to lure big names, it doesn't mean they should be making a bunch of redundant signings..

[DPG21920]

People complain with long contracts, then people complain with short contracts that likely give the team some flexibility next summer.

I am consistent; unless you are truly talented and part of a young good core no matter what happens to Kawhi, you should not get more than one year.

[spursistan]

It is just weird; all of these signings and non-signings (Parker!!) makes me think they are still trying to work things out with Kawhi..

[HarlemHeat37]

It is just weird; all of these signings and non-signings (Parker!!) makes me think they are still trying to work things out with Kawhi..

I really hope they do, it's the only hope for a watchable season:lol

[Mugen]

It is just weird; all of these signings and non-signings (Parker!!) makes me think they are still trying to work things out with Kawhi..

Yup, it's the only way any of this shit makes sense.

[TheGreatYacht]

It is just weird; all of these signings and non-signings (Parker!!) makes me think they are still trying to work things out with Kawhi..
:pop: "Hey buddy, how do you feel about finishing off your late-20's playing next to MVPau, MVPatty, B3rtans, Ferrari, and Forbe$ bay bay! Sign on that X, right there!"

[bklynspursfan]

I am consistent; unless you are truly talented and part of a young good core no matter what happens to Kawhi, you should not get more than one year.

Dag , just a year? Lol.. I think Bertans is talented, and obviously has areas he needs to work on. But it's also possible he makes a leap next year.

[jeebus]

God I love all the wrist slitting going on in there. Weed out the shitty, spoiled fans over the next two years, then rebuild.

[SAGirl]

Have always thought and believed RC when he said they want Kawhi back and will look to repair the relationship.

I won't bitch about Davis deal. Glad for him he got paid. Just got to hope he earns it and doesn't turn out overrated and overpaid. Apparently only former Spurs reach that level. :lol

[SAGirl]

I'm glad we're finally dispensing with defense.
And rebounding.

Murray is going to be playing the SF spot in this team. :lol

[FireMicoHalili]

God I love all the wrist slitting going on in there. Weed out the shitty, spoiled fans over the next two years, then rebuild.
:lol

[lefty]

Wtf...





White spot up shooter

[SAGirl]

So I guess we thought he was more valuable. Can't see this board taking this contract very well...
It's short term. The team has no other means of adding forward depth bc they are over the cap. Bertans was still seeking offer sheets and Spurs didn't want the risk of letting another team set the terms of the contract, and make it really unpalatable with trade kickers or more than they wanted to pay. They ended up paying him more than their budget but bc of that made the deal shorter. It was a compromise IMO. Just my speculation with some common sense. Have to congratulate him and hope he lives up to it.

For the record Gays deal was only one year bc he will want more next season.

This was never about capspace IMO.

Spurs will have some pieces to trade and that's the only way (and drafting well) they have to reshape things.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think this is as bad as many here are reacting to, but I don't think it's good. I don't really see it as worse than the 4 year 20 deal so whatever. If he does take a step up we won't be able to keep him but if he does not then we can cut ties sooner.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I don't think this is as bad as many here are reacting to, but I don't think it's good. I don't really see it as worse than the 4 year 20 deal so whatever. If he does take a step up we won't be able to keep him but if he does not then we can cut ties sooner.

Basically this. I wouldn't have resigned him at all, but whatevs.

[DPG21920]

Dag , just a year? Lol.. I think Bertans is talented, and obviously has areas he needs to work on. But it's also possible he makes a leap next year.

Then if people believe that, SA should have signed him for 4/20. If you believe that no matter what, Kawhi or not, he’s truly talented, why not lock him up for 4 years at a very small amount annually (less than 5% of the cap)?

[HankChinaski]

It's short term. The team has no other means of adding forward depth bc they are over the cap. Bertans was still seeking offer sheets and Spurs didn't want the risk of letting another team set the terms of the contract, and make it really unpalatable with trade kickers or more than they wanted to pay. They ended up paying him more than their budget but bc of that made the deal shorter. It was a compromise IMO. Just my speculation with some common sense. Have to congratulate him and hope he lives up to it.

For the record Gays deal was only one year bc he will want more next season.

This was never about capspace IMO.

Spurs will have some pieces to trade and that's the only way (and drafting well) they have to reshape things.

I agree with most of this. Short term contract, for a player the coaching staff is well aware of the players strength an weaknesses on the floor, familiar with team offense an defense schemes. Had to over pay but not damaging to cap space in the long run.

Eh, people here cry about anything worthless about crying about.

[DPG21920]

Bertans Forbes Beli suck. We know their ceilings even if some are young.

If it’s one year deals, great. But if it’s not and it eats into flexiblity next year it’s foolish. I would have rather SA just taken fliers on 3-4 g-league prospects in hopes of striking gold. They would be on minimum deals, one year and probably have more of a shot at something good happening than Forbes/Bertans.

Should have been Metu/Blossomgame/g-league instead of Forbes/g-league instead of Bertans

Beli is a vet, I get it, but start swinging on the younger guys and look for 2-way versatile players.

[cjw]

This is a one year / $7.5 million deal heading into next offseason. What he’s making this year literally doesn’t matter outside of it pushing Spurs closer to hard cap.

Totally palatable.

[DPG21920]

This is a one year / $7.5 million deal heading into next offseason. What he’s making this year literally doesn’t matter outside of it pushing Spurs closer to hard cap.

Totally palatable.

Link? I would love and be elated to see that as fact. Same with Beli. Same with Forbes. Right now, I am operating under the assumption it’s two full years and/or player options until proven otherwise.

[loveforthegame]

Spurs paying everyone but Leonard. :lol

[Namundy]

Honestly fuck this. I'd rather have given Parker this money. We're going to be mediocre as shit anyway. Parker should have never been allowed to put another jersey on.

[HankChinaski]

I don't understand the Parker should have stayed talk. For the last couple years all I ever see in this forum is "Pinche Parker" this an "Porker" that, not to mention "Ask Brent Barry if he thinks..." Schtick. Now that he is gone people are arguing they should resign him.

I get the complaints about Bertans an Beli a Forbes flaws but loosen the grip on the armchairs.

[rastaspur]

Horrible. Bjelica is exponentially better and signed for much less. Patfo has lost it in the last two years with these signings

[Dex]

I really, really hope that Forbes, Belinelli, Bertans and Mills aren't ALL in the rotation:lol

They should be looking for high-level 2-way players like they had in 2013 and 2014, not bottom-level defensive liabilities..even if they don't have money to lure big names, it doesn't mean they should be making a bunch of redundant signings..

Not saying you are completely wrong, but....Mills and Belinelli were literally in the 2014 rotation.

[NASpurs]

So many "shooters" and no fucking playmakers on the team. :lol

I guess they're going to rely again on 40+ year old Manu to try and create open shots for the barrage of 3 point gunners on this team.

[apalisoc_9]

Best organization

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[BD24]

Best organization

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/heh.png
Hot take by Pinoy Marauder tbh

[BatManu20]

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[SAGirl]

Honestly fuck this. I'd rather have given Parker this money. We're going to be mediocre as shit anyway. Parker should have never been allowed to put another jersey on.
I have thought about Parker... Tony chose to leave on his own. He said S.A. only offered a 1 year deal but I wonder about all these deals too.

Gay and Danny are 1 yr deals now, everyone else got 2 years so maybe they are 1 and 1. In that case it would explain why they didn't match Anderson. He got a 4 year deal and the two extra seasons ate up into their future plans.

I didn't think this was about cap space but now I wonder about it.

I wonder if they are just taking another swing with thei last roster as it was for one more year while holding on to Kawhi and revisiting all of this next summer.. This is speculation and looking at a crystal ball...

But I'd have to see what the real terms are for the second year on Marco, Forbes and Bertans.

[SpursDynasty85]

Again everyone underestimating a pretty good player based on the line year of playing time (it was still erratic) and tons of locker room drama. He has more upside than what he has shown so far too.

[BatManu20]

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[SpursDynasty85]

Davis Bertans >>> Bryn Forbes >> Tony Parker. It was definitely time to move on from Parker.

[ElNono]

I like that it's only two years, but overpaid, tbh...

[tholdren]

Lol here come the meltdowns. Bertans better than anderson can run faster and jump higher.

[tholdren]

I have thought about Parker... Tony chose to leave on his own. He said S.A. only offered a 1 year deal but I wonder about all these deals too.

Gay and Danny are 1 yr deals now, everyone else got 2 years so maybe they are 1 and 1. In that case it would explain why they didn't match Anderson. He got a 4 year deal and the two extra seasons ate up into their future plans.

I didn't think this was about cap space but now I wonder about it.

I wonder if they are just taking another swing with thei last roster as it was for one more year while holding on to Kawhi and revisiting all of this next summer.. This is speculation and looking at a crystal ball...

But I'd have to see what the real terms are for the second year on Marco, Forbes and Bertans.

Sa girl with quasi logic thinking that contracts are for not just short term but long term implications.WOW!!! Almost a full iq point higher than last post!!!! Quick pavlov come say something dumb to lower this thread iq

[Pavlov]

Sa girl with quasi logic thinking that contracts are for not just short term but long term implications.WOW!!! Almost a full iq point higher than last post!!!! Quick pavlov come say something dumb to lower this thread iq:lol meltdown!

[spurraider21]

This is a one year / $7.5 million deal heading into next offseason. What he’s making this year literally doesn’t matter outside of it pushing Spurs closer to hard cap.

Totally palatable.


Link? I would love and be elated to see that as fact. Same with Beli. Same with Forbes. Right now, I am operating under the assumption it’s two full years and/or player options until proven otherwise.
he's doing a really weird thing trying to downplay a 2 year contract by saying "next year, there will only be one year left!"

[HarlemHeat37]

Not saying you are completely wrong, but....Mills and Belinelli were literally in the 2014 rotation.

I meant having all 4 of those guys in the rotation together..that's way too many non-defenders..

Also fyi, Mills and Belinelli were 8th and 9th in playoff minutes in the 9-man rotation in 2014, way behind 7th..

[MoSpur02]

Forbes' and Bertans' contracts better have a team option on that second year.

[cutewizard]

Anything on the Leonard front?

[TimDunkem]

Anything on the Leonard front?

Are you drunk?

[Ocotillo]

jeez go root for the Rockets and bitch about Anderson's contract.

[MaNu4Tres]

I meant having all 4 of those guys in the rotation together..that's way too many non-defenders..

Also fyi, Mills and Belinelli were 8th and 9th in playoff minutes in the 9-man rotation in 2014, way behind 7th..

People forget how Mills and Belinelli were outliers that playoff run.

Kawhi, Green were the main guys of the wings/guards in the rotation.

The next two more important pieces were Manu and Parker.

When games were out of reach and margin was significant, that's when Mills and Belinelli came in and did their business. When games were tight, Mills and Belinelli had very small 10-12 minute roles.

People value them as equals to the main parts of that squad and they couldn't be more off. :lol

[BillMc]

BillMc (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16431) :hat

Damn straight bro:toast

[SpursDynasty85]

Lol here come the meltdowns. Bertans better than anderson can run faster and jump higher.

I would not say he is better but for our roster Bertans was the better fit.

[SAGirl]

I meant having all 4 of those guys in the rotation together..that's way too many non-defenders..

Also fyi, Mills and Belinelli were 8th and 9th in playoff minutes in the 9-man rotation in 2014, way behind 7th..
All 4 of them will play together with Pau. You know it's coming. Pop doesn't have qualms with the weirdest lineups you can come up with. Expect Davis to be center at times too when someone is taking a night off of getting rested.

Patty may start but he will play a lot of minutes and will share minutes with others. I am hoping White gets at least 20 minutes this season but who knows? He seems a bit frail/prone to get bumps like Manu based on a small sample granted.

Its tough to get excited for next season thinking about these lineups.

[Spurs4#5]

I would not say he is better but for our roster Bertans was the better fit.
I think Bertans has the potential to turn into more while Anderson is exactly who he’ll be the rest of his career

[bklynspursfan]

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[noles1983]

Deuces

Didn't say I wouldn't hang around here, faggot.

[Ice009]

Manu, get off this sinking ship and enjoy your retirement. You deserve so much better than this shit, tbh.

Why should he retire? If he wants to keep playing, no reason he can't go play for another team that legit has a chance to win it all.

I don't really care about this playing for one team your whole career thing. Why stay on a shitty team just so that you can say you spent your whole career there? If the team still had a legit chance to win it all, sure, but if they don't and you still want to play, go somewhere else that is more suitable.

Why the fuck does he have to retire? People are just pushing him out the door.

[DPG21920]

Damn, that Happy quote leads me to believe the second year is fully guaranteed which is not optimal. Let’s hope I am wrong

[DPG21920]

So a little updated math for everyone after the Beli/Bertans deals and Forbes. I am having to make some assumptions, BUT if we conclude that the Beli 2/12 & Bertans 2/14.5 are both fully guaranteed 2 year deals and that Forbes is getting 2/5M fully guaranteed then SA’s cap situation next year (assuming nothing else is done this year which we know is unlikely):

LMA: 26M
Kawhi: 21.3M
Mills: 12.4M
Bertans: 7.25M
Beli: 6.2M
Forbes: 2.5M
Lonnie: 2.7M
White: 1.9M
Murray: 2.3M

If SA just does what is in their control and renounces Danny/Rudy and any other cap holds along with waiving and stretching Pau, SA would have just over 17M in cap space in that scenario. This includes the hold for their first round draft pick and Milutinov’s hold as well.

So, if any of Beli/Forbes/Bertans is non-guaranteed or team options, that 17M will climb by their amount basically. Depending on what the Kawhi trade brings, anything less than 21M SA gets back in a Kawhi trade will add to that 17M amount.

And of course, any trade of Mills or others could add to that amount as well.

But as things stand right now, 17M is looking like the likely cap space number for next season. But if we find out that Beli/Bertans are not guaranteed or team options? That 17M jumps to 28M instantly.

[DAF86]

So a little updated math for everyone after the Beli/Bertans deals and Forbes. I am having to make some assumptions, BUT if we conclude that the Beli 2/12 & Bertans 2/14.5 are both fully guaranteed 2 year deals and that Forbes is getting 2/5M fully guaranteed then SA’s cap situation next year (assuming nothing else is done this year which we know is unlikely):

LMA: 26M
Kawhi: 21.3M
Mills: 12.4M
Bertans: 7.25M
Beli: 6.2M
Forbes: 2.5M
Lonnie: 2.7M
White: 1.9M
Murray: 2.3M

If SA just does what is in their control and renounces Danny/Rudy and any other cap holds along with waiving and stretching Pau, SA would have just over 17M in cap space in that scenario. This includes the hold for their first round draft pick and Milutinov’s hold as well.

So, if any of Beli/Forbes/Bertans is non-guaranteed or team options, that 17M will climb by their amount basically. Depending on what the Kawhi trade brings, anything less than 21M SA gets back in a Kawhi trade will add to that 17M amount.

And of course, any trade of Mills or others could add to that amount as well.

But as things stand right now, 17M is looking like the likely cap space number for next season. But if we find out that Beli/Bertans are not guaranteed or team options? That 17M jumps to 28M instantly.

This upcoming season isn't Kawhi's last of his current contract?

[DPG21920]

This upcoming season isn't Kawhi's last of his current contract?

Technically no - he has a player option of 21M after this season. But for the math purposes of understanding SA’s cap situation if you assume most trades will have to be close in value to his salary (since the only teams with a lot of cap space to just absorb Kawhi aren’t realistic trade partners) then it helps with the math.

[Ron Swanson]

Technically, it's not. He has a player option for 19-20.

What DPG just posted.

[szkorhetz]

I guess he will be traded. Why would he get a raise for no reason?

[SAGirl]

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Yeah I suspected that. Thought it was going to be more unpalatable and worse for them if Bertans signed an offer sheet. If he did that, the other team can set terms Spurs don’t like. They couldn’t afford to lose him. Had no replacement for him bc he was signed with bird rights. Just got to congratulate him and move on.

[Chomag]

7.2 MIL per? Wish the FO would share what they are smoking! This FO is getting exposed hardcore since Timmy hung it up.

[bklynspursfan]

Didn't say I wouldn't hang around here, faggot.

Go to warriorsworld or something bruh

[DPG21920]

Yeah I suspected that. Thought it was going to be more unpalatable and worse for them if Bertans signed an offer sheet. If he did that, the other team can set terms Spurs don’t like. They couldn’t afford to lose him. Had no replacement for him bc he was signed with bird rights. Just got to congratulate him and move on.

Good call :tu I think they could afford to lose him no problem, but they like him and there was competition from other teams and it was not like SA was bidding vs themselves. Hopefully year 2 is not guaranteed but it seems likely that it is.

[SAGirl]

Good call :tu I think they could afford to lose him no problem, but they like him and there was competition from other teams and it was not like SA was bidding vs themselves. Hopefully year 2 is not guaranteed but it seems likely that it is.
Agreed that they do like him, but again if he signs an offer sheet they dislike very much it would put them in a real bind. Disagree with you that he’s easily replaceable at least this year. They can sign vet minimum players and have some small exceptions but it’s rough to get someone like Blossomgame or someone unproven to play at least 1500 minutes of non garbage time, when the team has no real depth in their bigs/forwards... whoever you sign in his stead is going to play for sure.

If they go for vets they don’t have much $ to offer right now and with the Kawhi situation, they aren’t going to attract ringchasers like they would have been able to do previously.

I dont think his second season is unguaranteed. If anything I expect it to be guaranteed but with a PO he can pick up at his discretion. His agent leaked he had a slightly better offer from another team on the table that he could sign and thus Davis doesn’t have any incentive to do the Spurs a favor taking a partial guarantee his second season when he already took less than he could get elsewhere.

BTW next summer there will be a lot if money around, Davis projects to play a lot more minutes than he did the prior two seasons, there’s a chance he increases his perceived value and he could be more costly next season with a hotter market if he were to decline that PO. It’s not a sure thing, but it’s possible. If the Spurs suspect that’s a possibility I’d expect this deal to have no PO.

Overall I am satisfied with his deal. He was signed at market value. Is a known commodity, they do like him, he fits in well and more importantly he’s playing a position of real need. This signing makes sense.

Just got to congratulate him and wish him a very good season.

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[8FOR!3]

A team option for year two would be ideal but I don't view this as a bad contract regardless. Better than tying us up for 4 years imo considering we don't really know what we're going to get out of him with extended playing time this year.

[DPG21920]

It’s fully guaranteed per Bertans. SA has not done a good job (taking Kawhi out of the equation) this off season. Adding 13M in guaranteed salary to the books next year for Beli/Bertans is not wise and does not help with rebuilding or flexibility.

[DPG21920]

A team option for year two would be ideal but I don't view this as a bad contract regardless. Better than tying us up for 4 years imo considering we don't really know what we're going to get out of him with extended playing time this year.

This makes no sense to me. If you are ok with Bertans at 2/14.5 then why would you not be ok with Bertans at 2 more years for just 2.5 each year?

[slick'81]

Pretty obvious bertans deal would be fully guaranteed.hopefully forbes isnt

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[DPG21920]

Sh*t sucks man. Everything SA is doing points to not caring at all about retooling or maxing cap space, but trying to fight to be a mediocre playoff team even after Kawhi.

I don’t understand it. I can see trying to win if you can get good young-ish players for Kawhi, but not giving yourself max cap flexibity while doing that? That’s what I don’t get.

I get wanting to be a playoff team and I agree with that but you can get 1 year deals instead of Beli/Bertans and be no worse off there.

[Spurs9]

Spurs may have given this knowing they will get out of the Mills or Gasol contract including him in a Kawhi trade.

[Seventyniner]

Sh*t sucks man. Everything SA is doing points to not caring at all about retooling or maxing cap space, but trying to fight to be a mediocre playoff team even after Kawhi.

I don’t understand it. I can see trying to win if you can get good young-ish players for Kawhi, but not giving yourself max cap flexibity while doing that? That’s what I don’t get.

I get wanting to be a playoff team and I agree with that but you can get 1 year deals instead of Beli/Bertans and be no worse off there.

Maybe the Spurs are anticipating trading Kawhi for a big contract like Lowry or DeRozan and they're just trying to clear cap space for 2020. Basically punting on cap space next summer. It explains giving $13M to Beli and Bertans combined while letting Kyle walk. If the Spurs unload Mills in the Kawhi deal it's more reinforcement.

[024]

Didn't like 5 million per year, really don't like 7.25 million a year.

[8FOR!3]

This makes no sense to me. If you are ok with Bertans at 2/14.5 then why would you not be ok with Bertans at 2 more years for just 2.5 each year?


Noy saying I wouldn’t be ok with it I just prefer the flexibility of not being locked down more years

[BatManu20]

^ I agree. 2 > 4 imo.

[Pavlov]

Sh*t sucks man. Everything SA is doing points to not caring at all about retooling or maxing cap space, but trying to fight to be a mediocre playoff team even after Kawhi.

I don’t understand it. I can see trying to win if you can get good young-ish players for Kawhi, but not giving yourself max cap flexibity while doing that? That’s what I don’t get.

I get wanting to be a playoff team and I agree with that but you can get 1 year deals instead of Beli/Bertans and be no worse off there.So they wanted two year deals instead of one.

Big mystery.

[ace3g]

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[cjw]

he's doing a really weird thing trying to downplay a 2 year contract by saying "next year, there will only be one year left!"

I’m saying it because the Spurs have no cap space anyway this season and would have to otherwise replace Bertans with the minimum contract. I look at it as a minimum deal this year for that reason + a 1 / $7.5mm going into FA next year.

[mexicanjunior]

Such a garbage signing...this roster is awful...

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[**BUSTA**]

Sh*t sucks man. Everything SA is doing points to not caring at all about retooling or maxing cap space, but trying to fight to be a mediocre playoff team even after Kawhi.

I don’t understand it. I can see trying to win if you can get good young-ish players for Kawhi, but not giving yourself max cap flexibity while doing that? That’s what I don’t get.

I get wanting to be a playoff team and I agree with that but you can get 1 year deals instead of Beli/Bertans and be no worse off there.



Pop is gone. He is braindead . He is on life support . The Spurs are trying to make Pop comfortable for the next 2 years.

[ElNono]

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[tholdren]

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Better than kl

[cutewizard]

Are you drunk?


Nope, just expectant.....

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Good boy.....

[cutewizard]

Bellinelli and Bertans gonna rain three point bombs

White dishing cool passes.......

Wooooooooooooooooo

[FkLA]

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"we're fucked"

I like RC but man that goofy ass smile :lol

[cutewizard]

I like RC but man that goofy ass smile :lol


Hahaha

[cutewizard]

I think Bertans natural position is small forward....

What do you think guys?

[cutewizard]

Our own death line up .......

Lamarcus as focus/nexus/center-forward, surrounded by

Gay, Bertans, Bellineli and White!!!

Hmmmm....I like it

[pad300]

So let me get this straight, we are willing to $7.25 million per year in front of Bertans, but not match Kyle at $8.6 million...Someone slap the shit of the FO please, this offseason has been hot garbage.

[SpursDynasty85]

So let me get this straight, we are willing to $7.25 million per year in front of Bertans, but not match Kyle at $8.6 million...Someone slap the shit of the FO please, this offseason has been hot garbage.

Kyle's was a little over 9 years over 4. So contract wise this is better. While Kyle is slightly a better prospect and player, Spurs needed Bertans shooting more than Kyle's play making.

[tholdren]

Better than andson and kl

[TheCerebral1]

Meh, this offseason has been so maligned around Kawai and his scum bag trade request. Everything else hinges on him.

[DAF86]

Our own death line up .......

Lamarcus as focus/nexus/center-forward, surrounded by

Gay, Bertans, Bellineli and White!!!

Hmmmm....I like it

That's pretty bad, tbh. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Our own death line up .......

Lamarcus as focus/nexus/center-forward, surrounded by

Gay, Bertans, Bellineli and White!!!

Hmmmm....I like it

Barf.

[TrainOfThought5]

Kyle's was a little over 9 years over 4. So contract wise this is better. While Kyle is slightly a better prospect and player, Spurs needed Bertans shooting more than Kyle's play making.

I completely disagree. Walker, Patty, and murray cant create. Kawhi still hasnt been traded, but hes never been a "creater". Tonys gone, and Ginobili has a foot out the door. So who the hell is gonna create??

[DPG21920]

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