Spurs, Sixers and Wolves need to work on a three way deal

[DAF86]

Sorry I made a thread about something that could have been added to others, but I want this to gain more exposure.

I proposed this on another thread:


Three way trade:

-Spurs get Butler and Miami's unprotected 2020 pick.
-Wolves get Covington and a Philly 1st round pick.
-Sixers get Kawhi.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybmx468w

-Spurs get as close a player as they probably can ever get to a Kawhi type, and a lottery pick.
-Wolves get a great 3 and D guy (who also led the league in +/- for small forwards) to pair with Wiggins and KAT, and a 1st round pick.
-Sixers get Kawhi by only giving up Covington and two draft picks.

Win/win/win. Imvho.

Some said that the Wolves wouldn't go for that, but I don't know, it seems like a pretty reasonable get for a disgruntled Butler. And in any case, both the Spurs and Sixers have many assets to make the deal more appealing to Minnesota.

Am I too burned out from all the drama, potential trades and rosters speculation, or does this actually make a lot of sense for all the parties involved?

[mudyez]

I guess, you might have to flip the Picks.

[Fusternino]

Salaries aren't close enough and 76ers are already over the cap.

[DAF86]

Salaries aren't close enough and 76ers are already over the cap.

Did you even care to check the link?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybmx468w

[Fusternino]

Did you even care to check the link?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybmx468w

My bad, didn't see you mention Bayless.

[DAF86]

My bad, didn't see you mention Bayless.

Didn't in the post because he isn't really essential to the trade, he's just filler.

[apalisoc_9]

Very bad value for Minny.

A philly first round pick not worth much if Kawhi is playing in Philly and the east is trash.

[Dingle Barry]

I think Minny would want a bit more.

[DAF86]

Spurs cannot, without getting MULTIPLE picks with good shots at being in the lottery take a package for Kawhi that doesn’t include an all star level player or a young player with still perceived all star upside.

They just can’t do it. I truly believe what SA wants is win now players more than guys like Ingram or Fultz but if that’s the case you have to get multiple picks.

This thing with PHI where they are saying no Fultz AND only one pick? No. You either give up Fultz and one pick or keep Fultz and send 3 picks.

What about this?

[DPG21920]

I would do that for sure. You get an all star which is what I believe SA wants and a solid pick.


I think Minny would want more. But if Minny/Phi would agree it’s a strong trade.

[DAF86]

I would do that for sure. You get an all star which is what I believe SA wants and a solid pick.


I think Minny would want more. But if Minny/Phi would agree it’s a strong trade.

There's something here for sure. I wonder if PATFO is exploring this opportunity.

[Chucho]

People putting too much value on worthless picks. Anything out of the top 15 is akin to a 5th to 7th round NFL pick.

[Mr. Body]

Minnesota needs much more than this.

[DAF86]

Minnesota needs much more than this.

Saric, Murray, Z.Smith. Other draft picks. There are many ways to get something done, it just needs to be talked.

[Drewlius]

Philly does this in a heartbeat as they are giving up very little. Another piece or pick needs to go Minny’s way.

[kobyz]

LOL trading Butler for Covington, Covington was unplayable last playoff with the sixers for some stretches... It's like we trade Danny green for Butler, lol...

[SpursDynasty85]

Sorry I made a thread about something that could have been added to others, but I want this to gain more exposure.

I proposed this on another thread:



Some said that the Wolves wouldn't go for that, but I don't know, it seems like a pretty reasonable get for a disgruntled Butler. And in any case, both the Spurs and Sixers have many assets to make the deal more appealing to Minnesota.

Am I too burned out from all the drama, potential trades and rosters speculation, or does this actually make a lot of sense for all the parties involved?

So a disgruntled Butler is 10 cents on the dollar vs a disgruntled Kawhi. ST blinders bruh

[DAF86]

LOL trading Butler for Covington, Covington was unplayable last playoff with the sixers for some stretches... It's like we trade Danny green for Butler, lol...

Covingtion led all SF in +/- last season and is 27 years old.

[DAF86]

So a disgruntled Butler is 10 cents on the dollar vs a disgruntled Kawhi. ST blinders bruh

If folks thought that Kawhi is worth Covington, Saric and a pick. Then Butler is definitely worth that.

[Gino20]

If we were doing a three-way trade, I think I would rather try to get Boston involved. In my dream scenario, San Antonio gets Kyrie and Butler. Boston gets Kawhi. Minnesota gets expiring contracts, young players, and draft picks from both SA and Boston. Minnesota seems like they are not going to be able to keep Butler, so they may be enticed.

Dream, I know...

[**BUSTA**]

If all Wolves want for Butler is Cov , Saric and Philly pick for Butler , I give it to them if I am the Sixers.

I keep Miami pick and forget about Kawhi.

[DAF86]

If all Wolves want for Butler is Cov , Saric and Philly pick for Butler , I give it to them if I am the Sixers.

I keep Miami pick and forget about Kawhi.

Kawhi >>>>>>>>> Bulter.

That is worth giving up a Miami pick that you are not sure it's going to be on the lottery or not.

It's like saying you wouldn't give the Miami pick for Lebron.

[**BUSTA**]

Kawhi >>>>>>>>> Bulter.

That is worth giving up a Miami pick that you are not sure it's going to be on the lottery or not.

It's like saying you wouldn't give the Miami pick for Lebron.

Spurs want more than Saric , Cov and the 2 draft picks for Kawhi

[DAF86]

Spurs want more than Saric , Cov and the 2 draft picks for Kawhi

But Butler isn't half the player Kawhi is, so maybe Minnesota is fine with that package.

[DAF86]

Teague, Wiggins, Covington, Saric, KAT is arguably better than last season's Wolves team with Butler.

[**BUSTA**]

But Butler isn't half the player Kawhi is, so maybe Minnesota is fine with that package.

For Butler. Thats why I do the deal for Butler.

[Chucho]

Minnesota needs much more than this.

Why? They're in the same boat the Spurs are in, he's going to fly the coop at the end of the season regardless, so it's either let him go for cap space or get something in exchange. The reason the Spurs need, and can get more, is because Kawhi is one of 5 or so truly elite players that make a difference and the best two way player in the game and Jimmy Butler isn't any of those things- he's not a difference maker, he's been a malcontent in two locations. Minny already has a potential borderline All Star in Wiggins and a potential Top 10 Player in KAT. Focus on them and build a team around those pieces.

[DAF86]

For Butler. Thats why I do the deal for Butler.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

[SpursDynasty85]

If folks thought that Kawhi is worth Covington, Saric and a pick. Then Butler is definitely worth that.

Still not understanding me. A deal worse than the one everyone on Spurstalk laughed at is what Minny should get while Spurs get Jimmy Butler plus the best draft pick. You must think the Spurs are the kingpin and everyone else are just pawns.

[hater]

Why would Wolves do this :lmao

[kobyz]

Covingtion led all SF in +/- last season and is 27 years old.
Booner is +/- spurs legend

[spurraider21]

Booner is +/- spurs legend
and 2x NBA champion

[Mal]

Phila pick can be #1 or can be #25. Wolves need more

[**BUSTA**]

I don't understand what you are trying to say.
The point is that PHILLy should first get Butler for as low a cost as possible to satisfy the wolves then see what else it takes to get Kawhi .
If Spurs want too much Sixers just keep Butler.

[DAF86]

Still not understanding me. A deal worse than the one everyone on Spurstalk laughed at is what Minny should get while Spurs get Jimmy Butler plus the best draft pick. You must think the Spurs are the kingpin and everyone else are just pawns.

I know what you meant. That's why I added the possibility of Saric. Do you think Covington, Saric and a draft pick is too little for Butler?

[DAF86]

The point is that PHILLy should first get Butler for as low a cost as possible to satisfy the wolves then see what else it takes to get Kawhi .
If Spurs want too much Sixers just keep Butler.

Philly can't trade for Butler and then trade him away right away.

[DAF86]

Booner is +/- spurs legend

But he wasn't a starter getting over 30 mpg, tbh.

[**BUSTA**]

[QUOTE=DAF86;9471140]Philly can't trade for Butler and then trade him away right away.[/QUOTT
They have to satisfy Minny first . If they can, they agree to deal Butler regardless of what Spurs would want in a three way.
If they can agree with Spurs in three way , fine. If not they do the Butler deal.

[DAF86]

They have to satisfy Minny first . If they can, they agree to deal Butler regardless of what Spurs would want in a three way.
If they can agree with Spurs in three way , fine. If not they do the Butler deal.

Spurs might be able to add an asset that would convince Minny to give up Butler. That's why three way deals exist.

[koriwhat]

i know it's not happening but if simmons isn't named in the trade to satx then fuck it and let kawhi rot on the bench in austin.

[**BUSTA**]

[QUOTE=**BUSTA**;9471168]

Spurs might be able to add an asset that would convince Minny to give up Butler. That's why three way deals exist.

So... you're saying Spurs would give up something of value plus Kawhi to get Jimmy Butler. More reason for Philly to agree to get Butler from Wolves before entering into three way with Spurs.

[DAF86]

So... you're saying Spurs would give up something of value plus Kawhi to get Jimmy Butler. More reason for Philly to agree to get Butler from Wolves before entering into three way with Spurs.

That can't happen son. Don't be slow. :lol

[**BUSTA**]

That can't happen son. Don't be slow. :lol

You just stated that Spurs could add an asset to Minnesota so they would deal Butler to Spurs and Spurs send Kawhi to Philly in a three way.
Now its me that doesn't understand.

[DAF86]

You just stated that Spurs could add an asset to Minnesota so they would deal Butler to Spurs and Spurs send Kawhi to Philly in a three way.
Now its me that doesn't understand.

What you don't understand is that once Philly get Butler, they can't trade him again. So they wouldn't be getting Kawhi. That's why it has to be a three way deal. Philly can't trade with Minny in its own and then trade again with SA. I already told you this, I don't know why you keep insisting.

[tmtcsc]

Sorry I made a thread about something that could have been added to others, but I want this to gain more exposure.

I proposed this on another thread:



Some said that the Wolves wouldn't go for that, but I don't know, it seems like a pretty reasonable get for a disgruntled Butler. And in any case, both the Spurs and Sixers have many assets to make the deal more appealing to Minnesota.

Am I too burned out from all the drama, potential trades and rosters speculation, or does this actually make a lot of sense for all the parties involved?

I think you're looking for pennies on the dollar. Butler and an unprotected 1st round pick for a 2 time DPOY and Finals MVP? I think the Spurs can do better.

[DAF86]

I think you're looking for pennies on the dollar. Butler and an unprotected 1st round pick for a 2 time DPOY and Finals MVP? I think the Spurs can do better.

Better than a top 15 player and a lottery pick? Are you serious? Teams won't even give us shit players as Fultz and Kuzma. :lol

[Kirbyk10]

I obviously don’t post often but I read the forum a ton.

what if the three way trade was something like:

Spurs Get - Saric, Butler
Wolves get - Gasol/Mills, Covington, Miami 1st
76ers get - Ka-Lie

Also I only want Butler if it leads to Kyrie as well next off season

[DAF86]

I obviously don’t post often but I read the forum a ton.

what if the three way trade was something like:

Spurs Get - Saric, Butler
Wolves get - Gasol/Mills, Covington, Miami 1st
76ers get - Ka-Lie

Also I only want Butler if it leads to Kyrie as well next off season

That works for me too. That's what great about this three way scenario: lots of assets to make something work.

[SpursDynasty85]

I know what you meant. That's why I added the possibility of Saric. Do you think Covington, Saric and a draft pick is too little for Butler?

Ok. That makes a lot more sense for Minny. But here are two reasons I hesitate that this will work. 1) May not solve any longterm issues for the Spurs or Philadelphia. 2) It could mean Spurs getting weeded out of any Philly trade talks.

The first reason is important because the Spurs are looking for not only a short term but a long term solution with Kawhi being gone. Jimmy Butler could leave after next year too. Spurs would want more than just a Miami 2021 pick and a 1 yr rental of Jimmy. Second, there have been very sketchy rumors of Kawhi "maybe" resigning in Philadelphia which to me is a big factor. Philadelphia needs to interview Kawhi, see him workout, and talk with Kawhi's uncle and agent to get a sense of there stance and finally, trust there word. Lots of hurdles especially for the Spurs.

The second reason could be the most dangerous. So far Minny hasn't reached out about any serious suitors for Jimmy (at least no rumors) but if they do, to me, it smells big trouble for Spurs. Seemingly a lesser Kawhi (but still all-star level and entering his prime), is entering the market and comes at a cheaper price and with a lot less baggage. If spurs do engage Minny on these trade talks and convince them to take back Sixers assets what if Sixer's look at the cheaper price tag of Jimmy and Jimmy looks at the enticement of playing in the East with Simmons, Embiid, and Fultz. Jimmy might just say to Philly "I will definitely resign with you guys" and Minnesota takes that package you suggested.

Maybe the Spurs somehow work miracles but the way you constructed it, Spurs likely get pushed out and those two trade among themselves.

[**BUSTA**]

What you don't understand is that once Philly get Butler, they can't trade him again. So they wouldn't be getting Kawhi. That's why it has to be a three way deal. Philly can't trade with Minny in its own and then trade again with SA. I already told you this, I don't know why you keep insisting.

What you don't understand is there is only an agreement to take Butler if the three way falls apart. If Spurs want to throw something else in , fine. That means spurs would be giving up Kawhi plus something. I understand this is not happenning. what I don't understand is why you would suggest it.

[DAF86]

Ok. That makes a lot more sense for Minny. But here are two reasons I hesitate that this will work. 1) May not solve any longterm issues for the Spurs or Philadelphia. 2) It could mean Spurs getting weeded out of any Philly trade talks.

The first reason is important because the Spurs are looking for not only a short term but a long term solution with Kawhi being gone. Jimmy Butler could leave after next year too. Spurs would want more than just a Miami 2021 pick and a 1 yr rental of Jimmy. Second, there have been very sketchy rumors of Kawhi "maybe" resigning in Philadelphia which to me is a big factor. Philadelphia needs to interview Kawhi, see him workout, and talk with Kawhi's uncle and agent to get a sense of there stance and finally, trust there word. Lots of hurdles especially for the Spurs.

The second reason could be the most dangerous. So far Minny hasn't reached out about any serious suitors for Jimmy (at least no rumors) but if they do, to me, it smells big trouble for Spurs. Seemingly a lesser Kawhi (but still all-star level and entering his prime), is entering the market and comes at a cheaper price and with a lot less baggage. If spurs do engage Minny on these trade talks and convince them to take back Sixers assets what if Sixer's look at the cheaper price tag of Jimmy and Jimmy looks at the enticement of playing in the East with Simmons, Embiid, and Fultz. Jimmy might just say to Philly "I will definitely resign with you guys" and Minnesota takes that package you suggested.

Maybe the Spurs somehow work miracles but the way you constructed it, Spurs likely get pushed out and those two trade among themselves.

That's a risk, but Philly would be dumb to go for Butler when Kawhi can be had.

Another possibility could be trading Kawhi straight to the Wolves for Butler and a draft pick. Trade disgruntled stars with hopes of making it work on a new environment.

[DAF86]

What you don't understand is there is only an agreement to take Butler if the three way falls apart. If Spurs want to throw something else in , fine. That means spurs would be giving up Kawhi plus something. I understand this is not happenning. what I don't understand is why you would suggest it.

lol just saw your "disbelieve" under your username. You are clearly a troll. My bad. Move along son. :lol

[tmtcsc]

Better than a top 15 player and a lottery pick? Are you serious? Teams won't even give us shit players as Fultz and Kuzma. :lol

Absolutely serious. Butler is solid but Top 15 is being generous. I put much less value on picks because they are filled with risk and uncertainty. Id' rather do a Jalen Brown and Kyrie Irving trade. Kyrie is risky but has better upside despite the injury history.

[DAF86]

Absolutely serious. Butler is solid but Top 15 is being generous. I put much less value on picks because they are filled with risk and uncertainty. Id' rather do a Jalen Brown and Kyrie Irving trade. Kyrie is risky but has better upside despite the injury history.

Sure, I would do that too but it ain't happening, tbh.

[BatManu20]

2021 Miami Pick and a future 2nd Round Pick goes to Minnesota. Spurs get a Future a 1st Round pick from Philadelphia.


Make it happen RC.

http://i66.tinypic.com/slpaja.jpg

[spurraider21]

people still fawning over korkmaz?

[Kirbyk10]

Totally agree DAF. I’d rather get a known asset of Butler + Kyrie (maybe) in their prime to continue a run then risk it on unknowns like the Lakers current trade proposition. If we trade to a single team I hope it’s to the 76ers but Fultz is a must and shedding Gasol or Mills is a must.

We are so guard heavy at this point something has to be in the works though. I expect Mills and/or Green are gone.

[BatManu20]

people still fawning over korkmaz?

He was a throw-in. Nonetheless, only 20 years old, on a cheap Rookie deal, and can shoot it with good size at 6’7. Spurs would be dumb not to ask for him in a trade.

[BatManu20]

That trade keeps us compeitive now and gives us a couple future assets. Also would push Rudy to a 6th Man role, which is more ideal.


*Could swap Pau and Patty in that trade and it still works. Don’t think PATFO want to trade Patty though.

[TD 21]

I obviously don’t post often but I read the forum a ton.

what if the three way trade was something like:

Spurs Get - Saric, Butler
Wolves get - Gasol/Mills, Covington, Miami 1st
76ers get - Ka-Lie

Also I only want Butler if it leads to Kyrie as well next off season

That's better, but the problem is the timing. The Timberwolves, who can offer Butler more money than anyone else, aren't trading him because of speculation and cryptic social media posts.




He was a throw-in. Nonetheless, only 20 years old, on a cheap Rookie deal, and can shoot it with good size at 6’7. Spurs would be dumb not to ask for him in a trade.

Would rather Luwawu-Cabarrot. Korkmaz is taller and younger, but the Spurs already have Mills, Belinelli and Forbes. Green is down to his final season at most, which would leave Covington as the only wing defender.

[Kirbyk10]

Can’t argue that :)

[SAGirl]

Wolves get shafted.

[SAGirl]

Minnesota needs much more than this.
This. And they really don't attract FA.
Might be trying to repair their own relationship and send Wiggins instead. :vomit:

[rascal]

Sorry I made a thread about something that could have been added to others, but I want this to gain more exposure.

I proposed this on another thread:



Some said that the Wolves wouldn't go for that, but I don't know, it seems like a pretty reasonable get for a disgruntled Butler. And in any case, both the Spurs and Sixers have many assets to make the deal more appealing to Minnesota.

Am I too burned out from all the drama, potential trades and rosters speculation, or does this actually make a lot of sense for all the parties involved?

How about if I make it harder. The Spurs get Phil pick and Minn gets the Miami pick? You still in? Because like you say Minn is not likely going to want to make the trade.

[BatManu20]

That's better, but the problem is the timing. The Timberwolves, who can offer Butler more money than anyone else, aren't trading him because of speculation and cryptic social media posts.



Would rather Luwawu-Cabarrot. Korkmaz is taller and younger, but the Spurs already have Mills, Belinelli and Forbes. Green is down to his final season at most, which would leave Covington as the only wing defender.

Yea they’re not. It would be incumbent upon him letting management know he’s not going to re-sign there.

And I’d rather have Forkmaz as he’s two years younger and seems much more skilled offensively, but whatever. Just a filler anyways. Spurs might value Luwawu’s Defense more.

[BatManu20]

This. And they really don't attract FA.
Might be trying to repair their own relationship and send Wiggins instead. :vomit:

I agree they can be getting the short end of the stick in that deal. They’d really have to like that Miami pick.

With that said, they are stuck with Wiggins. Nobody’s trading for that awful contract.

[cutewizard]

If we were doing a three-way trade, I think I would rather try to get Boston involved. In my dream scenario, San Antonio gets Kyrie and Butler. Boston gets Kawhi. Minnesota gets expiring contracts, young players, and draft picks from both SA and Boston. Minnesota seems like they are not going to be able to keep Butler, so they may be enticed.

Dream, I know...

Agree. Thats the best possible permutation.

I wonder if it can be done........

[rjv]

minny would be better off in a three way with toronto where at least the wolves could get derozan and anunoby.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I remember my first three-way.....

[rjv]

took longer than expected but we finally got a menage reference.

[DAF86]

Forget the Sixers. The clippers is where is at.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycvs63w3