Schools in Florida receiving public funds teaching crazy Christian stuff

[Blake]

Some private schools in Florida that rely on public funding teach students that dinosaurs and humans lived together, that God’s intervention prevented Catholics from dominating North America and that slaves who “knew Christ” were better off than free men who did not.

The lessons taught at these schools come from three Christian publishing companies whose textbooks are popular on many of about 2,000 campuses that accept, and often depend on, nearly $1 billion in state scholarships, or vouchers

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/education/school-zone/os-voucher-school-curriculum-20180503-story.html

[spurraider21]

SCOTUS has held that this is allowed. They draw a line between vouchers and government funding

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WTF are these Christian Taliban in their Christian Madrasas trying to achieve?

[Blake]

SCOTUS has held that this is allowed. They draw a line between vouchers and government funding

Sure, it's a Florida Department of Education issue. They need to clean this shit up.

[DMC]

Sure, it's a Florida Department of Education issue. They need to clean this shit up.

The state cannot overrule the supreme court. Otherwise it wouldn't be the supreme court or they would defer to the Florida supreme court.

[spurraider21]

The state cannot overrule the supreme court. Otherwise it wouldn't be the supreme court or they would defer to the Florida supreme court.
yes and no.

it's true that the state cannot overrule SCOTUS... but SCOTUS went so far to say that it is not a first amendment violation for a private school (with voucher funding) to teach religious subjects.

that doesn't stop florida from altering its own education standards (which would also apply to private schools). but states typically give private schools a lot of leeway

[Blake]

The state cannot overrule the supreme court. Otherwise it wouldn't be the supreme court or they would defer to the Florida supreme court.

Gosh thanks for the schoolhouse rock promo

[DMC]

Gosh thanks for the schoolhouse rock promo

You're always getting schooled by Philo up in here. Then you come in I'll acting like you just got raped by Kobe. Somewhere there's someone praying to a god, you have work to do my friend.

[Blake]

You're always getting schooled by Philo up in here.

That's a funny thing to say right after he schooled you here

[DMC]

That's a funny thing to say right after he schooled you here

He didn't school me at all. He said yes and no. Getting Philo to say yes is a clear win for me.

There is a reason your unhealthy fixation on religion is largely ignored when you create threads, you're preaching to the choir. Pretty sure not too many people here are on board with teaching creationism in public schools however you seem to be overly concerned about it in areas that don't even affect you. The trend shows historically that creationism, Christianity and other religious teachings are going away, not getting more prevalent. It's not because of fat, pock faced, neck bearded atheist, self fellating takes like yours. As people are more educated they will make decisions for themselves.

[Blake]

He didn't school me at all. He said yes and no. Getting Philo to say yes is a clear win for me.

Oh so you didn't read past "yes".

That's about par.


There is a reason your unhealthy fixation on religion is largely ignored when you create threads, you're preaching to the choir. Pretty sure not too many people here are on board with teaching creationism in public schools however you seem to be overly concerned about it in areas that don't even affect you. The trend shows historically that creationism, Christianity and other religious teachings are going away, not getting more prevalent. It's not because of fat, pock faced, neck bearded atheist, self fellating takes like yours. As people are more educated they will make decisions for themselves.

Lol unhealthy fixation.

If nobody responds to these threads, who cares? I lose what, a minute of copy paste time?

I just like to drop lines in the water and see what happens. I may get surprised with an unexpected funny wall of text from someone like you.

[Spurtacular]

That's a funny thing to say right after he schooled you here


He didn't school me at all. He said yes and no. Getting Philo to say yes is a clear win for me.

:lmao Cuck Blake getting schooled on the correct use of schooled.
:lmao Also, Christianity didn't make you a cuck, blake.

[Spurtacular]

He didn't school me at all. He said yes and no. Getting Philo to say yes is a clear win for me.

There is a reason your unhealthy fixation on religion is largely ignored when you create threads, you're preaching to the choir. Pretty sure not too many people here are on board with teaching creationism in public schools however you seem to be overly concerned about it in areas that don't even affect you. The trend shows historically that creationism, Christianity and other religious teachings are going away, not getting more prevalent. It's not because of fat, pock faced, neck bearded atheist, self fellating takes like yours. As people are more educated they will make decisions for themselves.

:lmao Cuck Blake if you had any pride, you'd just show yourself out after that bomb.
:lmao But we know you won't.

[DMC]

I'm an atheist and I've been so for a long long time. If there's one thing that's going to create angst towards your position and make people not listen to you it's being a zealot faggot.

[Chris]

I just like to drop lines in the water and see what happens.

Blake acting like he's trolling after he gets schooled :lol

[Blake]

:lmao Cuck Blake if you had any pride, you'd just show yourself out after that bomb.
:lmao But we know you won't.

Lol bomb.

Made up adjectives are always duds. Like yours.

[Blake]

I'm an atheist and I've been so for a long long time. If there's one thing that's going to create angst towards your position and make people not listen to you it's being a zealot faggot.

I just copy pasted an article. You've posted more zealous words in this thread than I have. By far.

[Blake]

Blake acting like he's trolling after he gets schooled :lol

:lol Chris with the usual

[Chris]

"I just like to drop lines in the water and see what happens."

Blake :lol

[Blake]

Yeah look what happened.

It's pretty funny

[Spurtacular]

Lol bomb.

Made up adjectives are always duds. Like yours.

It was actually a noun. And it's obviously not just made up.

:lmao No pride and utter stupidity.
:lmao Today's cuck
:lmao Today's chumpette

[Spurtacular]

Blake acting like he's trolling after he gets schooled :lol

[rmt]

I'm going to get flamed for this but here goes: since some of you are so enamored of Canada's and Finland's (?) socialist programs - why not advocate for the education dollars following the student? In Canada, my cousins' kids get to choose where they go: public school, jewish school, catholic school, etc. I would include virtual school, magnets, charters, homeschool [I know that's a downer here on this board] but don't I pay property taxes too and shouldn't all kids have equal right to an education? as well as CHOICE :-). You get to choose what's best for your child and competition (as opposed to being stuck in some low-performing, neighborhood school) ups the (at least) striving for better performance.

[Blake]

It was actually a noun. And it's obviously not just made up.

No, the word "takes" is the noun.

I just schooled you with schoolhouse rock level knowledge.

[Chris]

I just schooled you with schoolhouse rock level knowledge.

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[Blake]

I'm going to get flamed for this but here goes: since some of you are so enamored of Canada's and Finland's (?) socialist programs - why not advocate for the education dollars following the student? In Canada, my cousins' kids get to choose where they go: public school, jewish school, catholic school, etc. I would include virtual school, magnets, charters, homeschool [I know that's a downer here on this board] but don't I pay property taxes too and shouldn't all kids have equal right to an education? as well as CHOICE :-). You get to choose what's best for your child and competition (as opposed to being stuck in some low-performing, neighborhood school) ups the (at least) striving for better performance.

I'd have less issue with vouchers if there were performance measures that those students receiving vouchers had to meet.

[Blake]

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Chris has no business talking schooling after his recent embarrassing message board failures in both math and grammar.

[Spurtacular]

No, the word "takes" is the noun.


List the post # for that word.

[Spurtacular]

I'd have less issue with vouchers if there were performance measures that those students receiving vouchers had to meet.

Why does a cuck like you stay up at night worrying about vouchers?

[Chris]

Chris has no business talking schooling after his recent embarrassing message board failures in both math and grammar.

lol triple negative boy wants to scold me on my grammar

[Blake]

List the post # for that word.

Lol you bolded it yourself.

You are really, really stupid.

[rmt]

I'd have less issue with vouchers if there were performance measures that those students receiving vouchers had to meet.

I don't see the need for performance measures (that teach to a test) - if the dollars truly follow the students, the students can switch schools if the standard is not high - and they'll know that far faster/accurately than some standardized testing/school rating.

[Blake]

lol triple negative boy wants to scold me on my grammar

No, you tried to scold me on mine and failed miserably.

But clearly you still don't get it. Smh.

[Pavlov]

Why does a cuck like you stay up at night worrying about vouchers?Why do you stay up at night crying out for men?

[Spurtacular]

Lol you bolded it yourself.

You are really, really stupid.

You have no coherence. That was your response to me. What does that have to do with the word takes (DMC used)?


Lol bomb.

Made up adjectives are always duds. Like yours.

[Chris]

No, you tried to scold me on mine and failed miserably.

But clearly you still don't get it. Smh.

How did I fail Blake? You wrote a sentence with a triple negative. Not even a 4th grader is that dumb.

[Blake]

I don't see the need for performance measures (that teach to a test) - if the dollars truly follow the students, the students can switch schools if the standard is not high - and they'll know that far faster/accurately than some standardized testing/school rating.

I know you don't.

[Blake]

How did I fail Blake? You wrote a sentence with a triple negative. Not even a 4th grader is that dumb.

If you don't understand litotes, I guess 4th grade is about as far as you got.

[Blake]

You have no coherence. That was your response to me. What does that have to do with the word takes (DMC used)?

Wow, you still don't understand adjectives.

It's unbelievable that you, Chris and ducks are able to function in society.

[Spurtacular]

Wow, you still don't understand adjectives.

It's unbelievable that you, Chris and ducks are able to function in society.

Takes is not an adjective either. If you got a real point, make it; or keep having your meltdown.

[DMC]

Yep, another "I hate Christianity" billboard graffiti fucked by forum banter between usual suspects. Nothing to see here.

[Blake]

Takes is not an adjective either. If you got a real point, make it; or keep having your meltdown.

Yeah "takes" isn't the word I was saying that dmc made up. He made up the adjectives before it.

Damn you're seriously slow.

[Blake]

Yep, another "I hate Christianity" billboard graffiti fucked by forum banter between usual suspects. Nothing to see here.

Thanks for stopping in with your rant. It was entertaining.

[Pavlov]

Thanks for stopping in with your rant. It was entertaining.lol DMC acting like he's not a usual suspect.

[Chris]

If you don't understand litotes, I guess 4th grade is about as far as you got.

Dude this is pathetic. Just man up and admit you suck at English. You suck at everything.

[rmt]

I know you don't.

Are you the one who despite being an atheist sends his kids to a Christian school? If so, I applaud you for doing what you think is best for them - putting up with religious class/environment to do what you think is best for them. I think all parents should have that choice - not just those who can afford to. I think that parents know best what is good for their children - and should not be limited to the public school monopoly.

Re: performance measures - reminds me of our now infamous FCAT - where the teacher would say - this is the way you write for the FCAT essay (to get a good score) - for everything else, do it this way - must be confusing keeping which way to write straight.

[Chris]

Blake has kids? Poor bastards :lol

[rmt]

Blake has kids? Poor bastards :lol

Maybe it's someone else. I try to have a short memory here and not keep track of posters.

[Chris]

Maybe it's someone else. I try to have a short memory here and not keep track of posters.

I remember the story about sending the kids to a Christian school, but I think that was DMC? I could be way off base though :lol

[Blake]

Dude this is pathetic. Just man up and admit you suck at English. You suck at everything.

:lol no.

Start a new thread or look it up yourself.

[Blake]

Are you the one who despite being an atheist sends his kids to a Christian school? If so, I applaud you for doing what you think is best for them - putting up with religious class/environment to do what you think is best for them. I think all parents should have that choice - not just those who can afford to. I think that parents know best what is good for their children - and should not be limited to the public school monopoly.

Re: performance measures - reminds me of our now infamous FCAT - where the teacher would say - this is the way you write for the FCAT essay (to get a good score) - for everything else, do it this way - must be confusing keeping which way to write straight.

Yup, I pay for my daughter to be in a Christian school right now because the positives of the small classes and outstanding art programs outweigh the negatives of teaching about creationism.

Has nothing to do with me being for or against vouchers.

[Blake]

Blake has kids? Poor bastards :lol

She knows what litotes are and how they are properly used. She's smarter than you.

[pgardn]

Are you the one who despite being an atheist sends his kids to a Christian school? If so, I applaud you for doing what you think is best for them - putting up with religious class/environment to do what you think is best for them. I think all parents should have that choice - not just those who can afford to. I think that parents know best what is good for their children - and should not be limited to the public school monopoly.

Re: performance measures - reminds me of our now infamous FCAT - where the teacher would say - this is the way you write for the FCAT essay (to get a good score) - for everything else, do it this way - must be confusing keeping which way to write straight.

Like students don’t try to do this in college... or for other exams. If you have a measurement system for some ability in humans, rated by humans, this WILL be the case.

[pgardn]

Are you the one who despite being an atheist sends his kids to a Christian school? If so, I applaud you for doing what you think is best for them - putting up with religious class/environment to do what you think is best for them. I think all parents should have that choice - not just those who can afford to. I think that parents know best what is good for their children - and should not be limited to the public school monopoly.

Re: performance measures - reminds me of our now infamous FCAT - where the teacher would say - this is the way you write for the FCAT essay (to get a good score) - for everything else, do it this way - must be confusing keeping which way to write straight.

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Thats debatebale. They might know more about their learning style. But often have no clue how to compare them. Now having friends with little ones, they are all above average. Well that’s just great.
Other parents want nothing to do with their children as they grow older. The public school system is REQUIRED to take them on. If the voucher school follows the same rules and takes all comers, no matter what disability they have, then they should be eligible for PUBLIC money. If not, no funds. Simple. Follow the rules public schools must, teach the beaten at home, teach the non English speaking a High Schooler from France. Teach the disabled.

Private schools are fantastic for getting YOUR kids around other kids whose parents care. And for sequestering them from less desirable students.

[rmt]

Yup, I pay for my daughter to be in a Christian school right now because the positives of the small classes and outstanding art programs outweigh the negatives of teaching about creationism.

Has nothing to do with me being for or against vouchers.

Do you not pay property taxes or rent that covers property tax? Is your daughter any less deserving of an education than a public school student? Why should you foot the entire bill for the school you feel is best for her? Why shouldn't you get the "average" amount that is spent on a public school student and make up the rest? And the money that is saved from you choosing to send your child to private school or from me choosing to home school goes toward the other public school students - and the schools still don't do a good job (in general).

[rmt]

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Thats debatebale. They might know more about their learning style. But often have no clue how to compare them. Now having friends with little ones, they are all above average. Well that’s just great.
Other parents want nothing to do with their children as they grow older. The public school system is REQUIRED to take them on. If the voucher school follows the same rules and takes all comers, no matter what disability they have, then they should be eligible for PUBLIC money. If not, no funds. Simple. Follow the rules public schools must, teach the beaten at home, teach the non English speaking a High Schooler from France. Teach the disabled.

Private schools are fantastic for getting YOUR kids around other kids whose parents care. And for sequestering them from less desirable students.

pgardn, schools do get more money for disabled, ESOL, gifted kids. I know you guys hate anecdotes but straight from an administrator as I filled out IEP for gifted child (taking 2 classes at public school) - the extra money from gifted students go toward remedial classes to raise the all-important benchmarks used to rate schools. That's not even mentioning all those who test close to that magic 130 IQ who gets "pushed" up to qualify for more money. LOL at 25 gifted kids among 150 when it should be 1.5 kids (top 1%).

[pgardn]

pgardn, schools do get more money for disabled, ESOL, gifted kids. I know you guys hate anecdotes but straight from an administrator as I filled out IEP for gifted child (taking 2 classes at public school) - the extra money from gifted students go toward remedial classes to raise the all-important benchmarks used to rate schools. That's not even mentioning all those who test close to that magic 130 IQ who gets "pushed" up to qualify for more money. LOL at 25 gifted kids among 150 when it should be 1.5 kids (top 1%).

Its not nearly enough. Don’t be silly. When private schools take on the extra money and teach the disabled, the kids with horrible family lives, and the disabled, they get extra funds as well.

Its VERY simple.

But they will not. Because they are private schools. They can CHOOSE their clients. Why is this so hard to understand? And I’m definitely not saying large public schools systems don’t waste. They can be as bad as the military or any large government entity. Public schools also create a great deal of inertia so they are also difficult to change. Just like other large public entities.

Public schools in urban areas are forced to have huge schools. They cannot survive on the federal and state funds in Texas to make 10 separate High schools for 4000 thousand kids, so there is ONE. Let’s not be disingenuous here...

Private schools play by public rules, they get public funds. It’s not difficult and so obvious.

[pgardn]

And then YOU change the funding and the rules for admission standards for public schools rmt, go after that.

Then, respect. Don’t come at me with this dollar per student head when public schools also transport, feed, and have 3 support staffers to handle one kid that should be institutionalized.

[rmt]

Private schools are fantastic for getting YOUR kids around other kids whose parents care. And for sequestering them from less desirable students.

I hope you don't mean me personally - you know what route I took.

[rmt]

And then YOU change the funding and the rules for admission standards for public schools rmt, go after that.

Then, respect. Don’t come at me with this dollar per student head when public schools also transport, feed, and have 3 support staffers to handle one kid that should be institutionalized.

ME? Go up against the all powerful teachers' unions? It's a shame that those who would most benefit from school choice (from low income areas) ferociously defend the public school system. I am surrounded by the waste, the bureaucracy, the ridiculous patch work and decision making of huge public school system. I don't bite off more than I can chew - that's an exercise in futility.

Maybe YOU should go after the one kid who should be institutionalized like that Parkland shooter who SO MANY public officials passed over. So much for the system and liberal programs such as:

The PROMISE Program (Preventing Recidivism through Opportunities, Mentoring, Interventions, Supports & Education) represents the most comprehensive thinking available to address socially unacceptable or illegal behavior, targeting both short and long term academic success, aligning best practice models and Restorative Justice principles, and developing pro-social and resiliency skills. PROMISE, while addressing the behavior specific to the youth, is committed to addressing family and community circumstances that serve as both strengths and challenges for the youth’s resiliency. PROMISE is an intervention-based program designed to correct student behavior that violates Policy 5.8 and/or Policy 5006, Suspension and Expulsion. PROMISE utilizes a comprehensive set of supports and education. The intent of PROMISE is to safeguard the student from entering the judicial system.

https://www.browardprevention.org/behavior/promise/

[pgardn]

ME? Go up against the all powerful teachers' unions? It's a shame that those who would most benefit from school choice (from low income areas) ferociously defend the public school system. I am surrounded by the waste, the bureaucracy, the ridiculous patch work and decision making of huge public school system. I don't bite off more than I can chew - that's an exercise in futility.

Maybe YOU should go after the one kid who should be institutionalized like that Parkland shooter who SO MANY public officials passed over. So much for the system and liberal programs such as:

The PROMISE Program (Preventing Recidivism through Opportunities, Mentoring, Interventions, Supports & Education) represents the most comprehensive thinking available to address socially unacceptable or illegal behavior, targeting both short and long term academic success, aligning best practice models and Restorative Justice principles, and developing pro-social and resiliency skills. PROMISE, while addressing the behavior specific to the youth, is committed to addressing family and community circumstances that serve as both strengths and challenges for the youth’s resiliency. PROMISE is an intervention-based program designed to correct student behavior that violates Policy 5.8 and/or Policy 5006, Suspension and Expulsion. PROMISE utilizes a comprehensive set of supports and education. The intent of PROMISE is to safeguard the student from entering the judicial system.

https://www.browardprevention.org/behavior/promise/

There are no unions in Texas.

There are zero strikes.

When kids go back into the same crappy environment night after night into the summer, that PROMISE program is gonna cost huge $ to be effective. Might as well adopt them on your own.

Sorry, did not mean Your.

[Blake]

Do you not pay property taxes or rent that covers property tax? Is your daughter any less deserving of an education than a public school student? Why should you foot the entire bill for the school you feel is best for her? Why shouldn't you get the "average" amount that is spent on a public school student and make up the rest?

Because the private school does things the way they want to.

If we're all going to pool our money through taxes to educate our kids, then we should have academic standards that are consistent across the board.

I don't want to give my tax dollar to some nut job that wants to home school their kids, making up their own standards.