Woj: Free agent forward Dante Cunningham has agreed to a deal with the Spurs

[NASpurs]

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[raybies]

W/e

[BatManu20]

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[raybies]

Dam bruh.. you fast as hell. I knew I was up against you lol

[Spurs da champs]

Did he do well at defending 3's?

[tmtcsc]

Who the hell is Dante Cunningham?

[Darius Bieber]

God damn this offseason may even be worse than last year's. Another old scrub that Brooklyn didn't even want.

[Mugen]

:lol Was he even in the league last year? God I hate the front office sometimes.

[raybies]

Respect NASpurs

[Ron Swanson]

NBA = fucked

[Holden_Caulfield]

lol why do we have this guy and bertans

[Robz4000]

Damn, forgot he was still in the league.

[BatManu20]

Done deal.

[Robz4000]

He'll be kinda like Rasuel Butler I guess, but without the locker room leadership.

[r0drig0lac]

POWER SHIFT!!!!

[raybies]

Funny, I use to think this guy was worthless... but what the hay, I’m a Spurs fluffer so I have to like this:downspin:

[DPG21920]

Another vet vs taking a swing on youth...

[TimDunkem]

He was bad in 2010. Now? Yikes. Sad that teams are always finding youthful prospects, but the Spurs always go with the washed up vet route.

[NASpurs]

Dam bruh.. you fast as hell. I knew I was up against you lol


Respect NASpurs (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=386)

:lol saw the notification on my cell and I was already on the computer so I was like "hmm". It's all good.

[NASpurs]

If this doesn't convince Kawhi that we're serious about being competitive and surrounding him with talent, I don't know what will.

[RD2191]

:pop:Come on Kawhi, come carry these old scrubs, you can do it.

[look_at_g_shred]

Training camp body?

[Keepin' it real]

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[raybies]

Another vet vs taking a swing on youth...
I think pop had enough of the youth last year lol he’s always preferred vets...

[Gino20]

We didn't get LBJ, but we got Dante :downspin::lobt2:

[TimDunkem]

Training camp body?

Probably, but why not fill that spot with more youth? Vet leadership? What will a career 12th man teach the young players that literally every other vet on the Spurs can't? At least with youth you can potentially find a diamond in the rough.

[iGetbuckets]

Isn’t he a good defender?

[duncan2150]

Waw i don’t like him. This Guy could stay 30 minutes on the court and produce 5 pts and 5 reboundS... that’s What he did at NO.

Not a fan of this

[duncan2150]

Training camp body?

Im ok if he’s just a training camp body..

[r0drig0lac]

If this doesn't convince Kawhi that we're serious about being competitive and surrounding him with talent, I don't know what will.

fair

[RD2191]

If this doesn't convince Kawhi that we're serious about being competitive and surrounding him with talent, I don't know what will.

:lol

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm thinking this is just like maggette a few summers back. Was just there for preseason and training camp.

[BillMc]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/884/521/353.gif
:lol

[bklynspursfan]

If this doesn't convince Kawhi that we're serious about being competitive and surrounding him with talent, I don't know what will.

wasn't there a report Pop offered to trade for a 'big name' when he met with Kawhi, and it fell on deaf ears?

[Pavlov]

Another vet vs taking a swing on youth...


He was bad in 2010. Now? Yikes. Sad that teams are always finding youthful prospects, but the Spurs always go with the washed up vet route.Aren't we all assuming that a Kawhi trade is going to begin back younger players?

[RD2191]

wasn't there a report Pop offered to trade for a 'big name' when he met with Kawhi, and it fell on deaf ears?

Fail by PATFO, just make the fukin trade if it helps our team get better. Why wait for Kawhi's approval?

[ducks]

Dante Cunningham
www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3974/dante-cunningham

[ducks]

Aren't we all assuming that a Kawhi trade is going to begin back younger players?

spurs not trading using him as a backup?

[spurraider21]

:lobt2:

[buttsR4rebounding]

wasn't there a report Pop offered to trade for a 'big name' when he met with Kawhi, and it fell on deaf ears?

Is Dante deaf?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

wasn't there a report Pop offered to trade for a 'big name' when he met with Kawhi, and it fell on deaf ears?

It was for Kemba Walker, Kawhi said no thanks

[ducks]

Waw i don’t like him. This Guy could stay 30 minutes on the court and produce 5 pts and 5 reboundS... that’s What he did at NO.

Not a fan of this

lol at wanting a star to be 10 man

[NASpurs]

wasn't there a report Pop offered to trade for a 'big name' when he met with Kawhi, and it fell on deaf ears?

:lol good thing no one else got him before we did.

[NASpurs]

Probably came heavily recommended by Marks and Monty Williams (who's now in Philly)... kind of like when Jim Boylen recommended Jeff Pendergraph. Thanks guys!

[bklynspursfan]

It was for Kemba Walker, Kawhi said no thanks

Ah, that's right.

It seems like they could've traded for AD, and Uncle Dennis would've still wanted Kawhi out and to LA

[coachmac87]

SpursTalk has never heard of him? Damn I guess only true hoop heads do?

No news other than anything Kawhi related will move the needle...,

Hopefully this thread doesn’t exceed 10 pages in an hour

[Dancelot]

Your new tank commander ladies and gentlemen

[apalisoc_9]

Best Organization

:lmao

[Dverde]

“On December 20, 2011, Cunningham received a three-year, $7 million offer sheet from the Memphis Grizzlies (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Grizzlies).[4] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante_Cunningham#cite_note-4) The Bobcats declined to match the offer and subsequently signed the contract with the Grizzlies.”

There goes one more roster spot...

[Arcadian]

Oh cool, we signed a 30-year-old scrub. I'm fucking psyched.

[DPG21920]

Aren't we all assuming that a Kawhi trade is going to begin back younger players?

I don’t think that changes the Beli, Rudy, Dante moves though. SA is very clearly at a point where youth and upside should be prioritized.

We know what guys like Beli/ Dante bring and not that they are bad but I don’t think they are so good that they for sure are better than youth; but they have no upside like youth does.

[TD 21]

He's extended his range to the corner 3 in recent years, upped the volume and percentage and become 3 and D combo forward. He doesn't excel at either and doesn't really have the ball skills to be a legit SF, but if he's paired with either Gay or Bertans and utilized as a secondary defender on elite combo forwards, that'll just be semantics.

[slick'81]

This is the news everybody's been waiting for :lobt2:

[TimDunkem]

Oh cool, we signed a 30-year-old scrub. I'm fucking psyched.

:cry HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE PATFO, SIR! At the very least, he will be a body in camp. At most, Pop will overuse him over younger prospects who need playing time! Kawhi is a bitch, isn't coming back, so we aren't even contenders anyway! Enjoy the shit sandwhich you've been served, or leave you fake spoiled fan! :cry

[r0drig0lac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzBHyNdyj0Y

[RD2191]

SpursTalk has never heard of him? Damn I guess only true hoop heads do?

No news other than anything Kawhi related will move the needle...,

Hopefully this thread doesn’t exceed 10 pages in an hour

He's a bum just like you.

[Killakobe81]

If signed to a small deal I don't see why Spur fans mad at this signing.
Plus who knows how the KL saga ends?

[Dverde]

His highlights are a gif. Not a good sign sign.

[NASpurs]

His highlights are a gif. Not a good sign sign.

:lmao :lmao

[NASpurs]

The mouthpiece has spoken

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[iGetbuckets]

One year deal and y’all bitching:lmao

[Fusternino]

Him and Forbes can still be waived with minimal cap damage, right? Roster up to 15 now including BP3. They both would need to go if we're getting multiple players back for Kawhi.

[DAF86]

Well, forget about Jimmy Butler, tbh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkJsHHFGnls

[coachmac87]

He's a bum just like you.

Thanks for making my point...and pressing play.

[TD 21]

:lmao Why are people complaining? The only players on the roster who can physically guard the elite or even second tier combo forwards, is the starting SF (whether it ends up being Leonard, Covington, Anunoby, etc.) and Gay. Even if you prefer the latter do so, this at least throws another body in the mix. And Walker was already ticketed to spend most of the season in the G-League.


As an aside, it's probably another sign that Ginobili is retiring (even though his words seem to indicate otherwise). Too many rotation players and a Leonard trade is unlikely to alleviate that.

[Pavlov]

Best Organization

:lmaohttps://media1.tenor.com/images/1f62d36621309adc0acc302e5fb81fcf/tenor.gif

[BatManu20]

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[coachmac87]

:lmao Why are people complaining? The only player on the roster who can guard the elite or even second tier combo forwards, is the starting SF (whether it ends up being Leonard, Covington, Anunoby, etc.). Did you want Gay or Green defending them? This at least throws another body into that mix. And Walker was already ticketed to spend most of the season in the G-League.


As an aside, it's probably another sign that Ginobili is retiring (even though his words seem to indicate otherwise). Too many rotation players and a Leonard trade is unlikely to alleviate that.

Because they’re vanilla and don’t know who he is....?

[Fusternino]

:lmao Why are people complaining? The only player on the roster who can guard the elite or even second tier combo forwards, is the starting SF (whether it ends up being Leonard, Covington, Anunoby, etc.). Did you want Gay or Green defending them? This at least throws another body into that mix. And Walker was already ticketed to spend most of the season in the G-League.


As an aside, it's probably another sign that Ginobili is retiring (even though his words seem to indicate otherwise). Too many rotation players and a Leonard trade is unlikely to alleviate that.


We waived LJC and took a $1M+ cap hit for two years. Maybe Forbes or Cunningham gets waived before camp or BP3 is waived before his contract is fully guaranteed.

[Pavlov]

Another vet vs taking a swing on youth...


I don’t think that changes the Beli, Rudy, Dante moves though. SA is very clearly at a point where youth and upside should be prioritized.

We know what guys like Beli/ Dante bring and not that they are bad but I don’t think they are so good that they for sure are better than youth; but they have no upside like youth does.You're talking about a rebuild tbh.

Murray and White and Bertans are set to have big roles. That's your youth.

[TheGreatYacht]

He's a bum just like you.
:lmao

[BatManu20]

The mouthpiece has spoken

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Cheap deal, as expected. Not nearly as bad as people here are making it seem tbh.

[ducks]

The mouthpiece has spoken

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Cheap backup for Leonard

[bklynspursfan]

:lmao Why are people complaining? The only player on the roster who can guard the elite or even second tier combo forwards, is the starting SF (whether it ends up being Leonard, Covington, Anunoby, etc.). Did you want Gay or Green defending them? This at least throws another body into that mix. And Walker was already ticketed to spend most of the season in the G-League.


As an aside, it's probably another sign that Ginobili is retiring (even though his words seem to indicate otherwise). Too many rotation players and a Leonard trade is unlikely to alleviate that.


It's the Spurstalk way...

Always good to have bodies that size.

[Fusternino]

Can we at least waive BP3 and also sign Greg Monroe? 9 guards right now . . .

[jyra]

The mouthpiece has spoken

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There goes the remaining MLE amount.

[Fusternino]

There goes the remaining MLE amount.

They didn't use the MLE.

[DPG21920]

You're talking about a rebuild tbh.

Murray and White and Bertans are set to have big roles. That's your youth.

The difference in signing a youthful player vs a below average vet is not rebuilding.

[TD 21]

We waived LJC and took a $1M+ cap hit for two years. Maybe Forbes or Cunningham gets waived before camp or BP3 is waived before his contract is fully guaranteed.

Jean-Charles was and is not an NBA player. Cunningham is. He's not getting waived and neither is Forbes. Paul probably is though.

As of right now, presuming Ginobili retires and Paul is waived, Cunningham is probably a slight favorite over Bertans for the 4th big spot . . .

Bigs: Aldridge, Gasol
Forwards: Gay, Cunningham, Bertans
Wings: Leonard, Green, Belinelli, Walker
Guards: Murray, Mills, White, Forbes

Obviously still need a third center.

[TheGreatYacht]

Murray, Walker, Green, Cunningham, Gasol

Who's outscoring them?

[jyra]

They didn't use the MLE.

Well I guess there's a chance that Jabari didn't get the number exactly right from his source. A minimum contract would be $2,393,887 and the remaining MLE amount was around $2.6 million.

If it really is $2.5 million it has to be the MLE or BAE.

[DPG21920]

It's the Spurstalk way...

Always good to have bodies that size.

There are plenty of younger bodies with size and at least some upside. It’s not a big deal, this year is likely a throw away year (even if SA can make the playoffs) somewhat.

I’m not upset at it, but don’t get why SA isn’t taking swings on even more youth when that youth will probably impact winning this year just as much as someone like Dante.

[Pavlov]

The difference in signing a youthful player vs a below average vet is not rebuilding.If that's all you want to get now, yes -- it is rebuilding.

[bklynspursfan]

You're talking about a rebuild tbh.

Murray and White and Bertans are set to have big roles. That's your youth.

+1 And can't forget Walker/Metu as well. As a fan, I'm glad they aren't blowing it up. You aren't always going to hit a home run in the draft.

[DPG21920]

Jean-Charles was and is not an NBA player. Cunningham is. He's not getting waived and neither is Forbes. Paul probably is though.

As of right now, presuming Ginobili retires and Paul is waived, Cunningham is probably a slight favorite over Bertans for the 4th big spot . . .

Bigs: Aldridge, Gasol, Gay, Cunningham, Bertans
Wings: Leonard, Green, Mills, Belinelli, Forbes, Walker
Points: Murray, White

Obviously still need a third center.

SA didn’t guarantee Bertans 7M a year and eat into cap space next year to have him behind Dante.

[Fusternino]

Jean-Charles was and is not an NBA player. Cunningham is. He's not getting waived and neither is Forbes. Paul probably is though.

As of right now, presuming Ginobili retires and Paul is waived, Cunningham is probably a slight favorite over Bertans for the 4th big spot . . .

Bigs: Aldridge, Gasol, Gay, Cunningham, Bertans
Wings: Leonard, Green, Mills, Belinelli, Forbes, Walker
Points: Murray, White

Obviously still need a third center.

Metu isn't getting signed at this point if the plan is to bring in cheap bench filler. for 1 year Okafor and Monroe are still very much available.

[slick'81]

If cunningham starts at 4 spurs are really hurting

[FkLA]

Is there anything y'all don't bitch about? :lol

He's a 15th man that will be in a suit all season. Really who gives a shit.

[DPG21920]

+1 And can't forget Walker/Metu as well. As a fan, I'm glad they aren't blowing it up. You aren't always going to hit a home run in the draft.

I really don’t get this. We have YEARS worth of data on Dante and he is like literally barely a replacement level player. He’s not someone that adds wins just because he’s older. He can and could have been easily replaced with an unknown youth and SA would be no worse off in the W/L column.

[DPG21920]

If that's all you want to get now, yes -- it is rebuilding.

Rebuilding in not taking into account trying to win as many games as possible IMO.

Dante over someone younger would not impact that thus not rebuilding IMO.

[Pavlov]

+1 And can't forget Walker/Metu as well. As a fan, I'm glad they aren't blowing it up. You aren't always going to hit a home run in the draft.Walker improved noticeably during summer league. Metu might actually get an NBA contract when all is said and done this summer. I was impressed by both.

[daledondale]

At least he can play defense. Do you remember this shit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rvK3Ys2umE

[DPG21920]

I don’t “only want youth”. It’s pretty clear that before this Dante signing that 50% of the roster is over 30 years old so SA does not just have youth. But when it comes to filling in the rest? Absolutely I take youth over a Dante even if it does not matter much.

[SPURt]

Can’t be worse than Queen Joffrey

[Pavlov]

Rebuilding in not taking into account trying to win as many games as possible IMO.

Dante over someone younger would not impact that thus not rebuilding IMO.There are only so many young players you can realistically take on with those hopes. The Spurs already have those players on the main team. I can see their doing that with a big man, but not with people who are going to take Kawhi's minutes.

[DPG21920]

There are only so many young players you can realistically take on with those hopes. The Spurs already have those players.

What? The players they already have are the vets. They have half the roster over 30 years old.

[NameLess Scrub]

Who the hell is Dante Cunningham?

A journeyman placeholder to entertain on down years :lol

[noles1983]

What the fuck is a Dante Cunningham and what does it do?

[Pavlov]

What? The players they already have are the vets. They have half the roster over 30 years old.Yep. Half. You're talking about players who will have two way contracts.

[Spurs Brazil]

Cunningham's deal with the Spurs is believed to be for the veteran's minimum $2.39 million.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-land-journeyman-Cunningham-13079538.php

[jyra]

Cunningham's deal with the Spurs is believed to be for the veteran's minimum $2.39 million.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-land-journeyman-Cunningham-13079538.php

That number makes a lot more sense.

[TD 21]

SA didn’t guarantee Bertans 7M a year and eat into cap space next year to have him behind Dante.

I wouldn't read too much into that. Think they jacked up the average annual value to lower the term. Also, I said slight, based mostly on Pop's proclivity to lean towards veterans. Bertans could easily end up playing more, but it'll probably mostly be situational, based on the need for more offense or defense.

This also more than likely closes the door on Blossomgame. If he gets his corner 3 up another level, he'll probably claim this spot next off season.



Metu isn't getting signed at this point if the plan is to bring in cheap bench filler. for 1 year Okafor and Monroe are still very much available.

If it's not Milutinov or acquired in a Leonard trade, expect them to sign more of a rim runner/protector type, like Len or Nogueira.

[Killakobe81]

I don’t “only want youth”. It’s pretty clear that before this Dante signing that 50% of the roster is over 30 years old so SA does not just have youth. But when it comes to filling in the rest? Absolutely I take youth over a Dante even if it does not matter much.

I get what you are saying.
IF this is bottom of the roster fodder anyways why not take a chance/gamble on prospect with upside?

All that being said White, Murray, Bertans and Walker are all young upside prospects. Maybe Pop only wanted so many? Spurs still trying to win not going in full rebuild mode. If they were this would make no sense at all ...besides this would be the best team/coach he ever played for. Maybe with Pop/chip/Becky/Udoka etc. he shows a bit more?!! :downspin:

[DPG21920]

Yep. Half. You're talking about players who will have two way contracts.

No I am not. I am talking about guys you take a swing on, like Dante, except they still have upside. They are full time players like Joff was that get limited PT, but they are full time players.

[Chinook]

I like Cunningham and wanted him on SA a couple of years ago. Pretty strictly a PF, but he can play SF or C in a pinch. Closer to Rasual than David Lee, but I could see him starting next to LMA, especially if Bertans doesn't

[sasaint]

What the fuck is a Dante Cunningham and what does it do?

:lol Couldn't have said it better, myself.

[Fusternino]

I wouldn't read too much into that. Think they jacked up the average annual value to lower the term. Also, I said slight, based mostly on Pop's proclivity to lean towards veterans. Bertans could easily end up playing more, but it'll probably mostly be situational, based on the need for more offense or defense.

This also more than likely closes the door on Blossomgame. If he gets his corner 3 up another level, he'll probably claim this spot next off season.




If it's not Milutinov or acquired in a Leonard trade, expect them to sign more of a rim runner/protector type, like Len or Nogueira.

Len is awful . . . I went to UMD and thought he would be a bust when he was drafted. Isn't Nogueira an RFA? I'd love to get him but I think Raptors would match anything.

[DPG21920]

I get what you are saying.
IF this is bottom of the roster fodder anyways why not take a chance/gamble on prospect with upside?

All that being said White, Murray, Bertans and Walker are all young upside prospects. Maybe Pop only wanted so many? Spurs still trying to win not going in full rebuild mode. If they were this would make no sense at all ...besides this would be the best team/coach he ever played for. Maybe with Pop/chip/Becky/Udoka etc. he shows a bit more?!! :downspin:

It’s not a big deal - I just know the truth that guys like Dante vs someone from the G-League that has flashed a little don’t change wins/losses so why not maximize that spot.

But again, it’s nothing major either way.

[ducks]

What the fuck is a Dante Cunningham and what does it do?

he shots the basketball and it goes in the hoop unlike some spur players last year

[Gordy58]

Not a sexy signing, but I can kind of understand the logic behind this, just some cheap insurance and probably a better fit for the bench unit, his three point percentage was decent at 38 percent on around 3 attempts, would help if he’s effective switching on defense too. Thank god it’s just a one year deal.

[Fusternino]

We're at the point that if either LMA or Gasol get's hurt then we're completely screwed.

[bklynspursfan]

I really don’t get this. We have YEARS worth of data on Dante and he is like literally barely a replacement level player. He’s not someone that adds wins just because he’s older. He can and could have been easily replaced with an unknown youth and SA would be no worse off in the W/L column.

SA has always had a certain number of 'vet guys' in the locker room. And recently, they've been getting younger overall. Going full youth, there is a much steeper learning curve. You really don't think that effects the W/L column at all than guys who have been in the league and know a thing or 2, whether it's opponent tendencies, officials, plays, etc...?

[slick'81]

The guy is roster filler and an extra forward in case of injury and nothing more

[noles1983]

We're at the point that if either LMA or Gasol get's hurt then we're completely screwed.

Looking at this shit roster, we are already screwed.

[Gordonicci]

What the fuck is a Dante Cunningham and what does it do?

It shoots about 33% from deep on less than three attempts per game and 64% from the free throw line. That's what it does.

[DPG21920]

Jeff is reporting it’s a vet min deal so there is some confusion here:

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[bklynspursfan]

Walker improved noticeably during summer league. Metu might actually get an NBA contract when all is said and done this summer. I was impressed by both.

Yea. Walker especially, he's got so much potential

[E20]

Who the flying fuck is Dante Cunnigham. Never heard of this dude in my life.

[DPG21920]

SA has always had a certain number of 'vet guys' in the locker room. And recently, they've been getting younger overall. Going full youth, there is a much steeper learning curve. You really don't think that effects the W/L column at all than guys who have been in the league and know a thing or 2, whether it's opponent tendencies, officials, plays, etc...?

It’s not full youth and I don’t know why people keep saying that? There is normally a 10-12 man rotation in the regular season and 7 of those dudes are over 30.

Going younger at the end of the bench has no downside when the alternative is someone like Dante. I don’t hate Dante, he will do fine for his small end of bench deal, but that, IMO does not change anything.

Putting let’s say Blossomgame in the game for all the minutes that Dante would get would not alter the win column at all. We have seen Dante grade out over many years now worth of data as a replacement level player.

I wouldn’t be saying that if the player SA signed was a vet who was above that replacement level player. I”m talking strictly vets like Dante that great out as replacement level.

[Fusternino]

Replacing Joff-Parker-Anderson-BP3 with ?-Marco-Cunningham-Walker while Kawhi returns . . . I guess from that perspective it's not that bad, I suppose.

[TimDunkem]

Looking at this shit roster, we are already screwed.

It's okay. We got Bertans, Metu, and Dante Cunningham. :lol

[Pavlov]

No I am not. I am talking about guys you take a swing on, like Dante, except they still have upside. They are full time players like Joff was that get limited PT, but they are full time players.Joffrey Lauvergne had upside?

lol

[Fusternino]

Joffrey Lauvergne had upside?

lol

Wasn't Joff only signed because Parker wanted to hang out with him?

[DPG21920]

Joffrey Lauvergne had upside?

lol

What? No. You and I are just on different wavelengths. The Joff point was not about upside, but to point out I am not talking about 2-way players. Joff was not a two-way player, he was on the full time roster was the point. I am not just asking for two way guys by asking to go with youth over Dante.

[ceperez]

Jean-Charles was and is not an NBA player. Cunningham is. He's not getting waived and neither is Forbes. Paul probably is though.

As of right now, presuming Ginobili retires and Paul is waived, Cunningham is probably a slight favorite over Bertans for the 4th big spot . . .

Bigs: Aldridge, Gasol
Forwards: Gay, Cunningham, Bertans
Wings: Leonard, Green, Belinelli, Walker
Guards: Murray, Mills, White, Forbes

Obviously still need a third center.

At least Spurs got a forward. 13 players, full roster with Walker doing G-league time with Metu. Spurs probably will find another Laverne type to play backup center.

Black, Plumlee, Okafor and Speights still available. My bet is Spurs sign Speights

[rjv]

lol at ST posters who regard all off season moves as equals.

[Truth4sale$]

The 3 W's....WHO, WHY, and What the FU&K???
Too early for training camp fluff.

[palangi]

Why not christian wood? Younger, more athletic, longer, taller, etc.

This guy is only 6'8" in shoes.

[TD 21]

Len is awful . . . I went to UMD and thought he would be a bust when he was drafted. Isn't Nogueira an RFA? I'd love to get him but I think Raptors would match anything.

He'd still be a better fit than Okafor or Monroe.

The Raptors didn't offer him a qualifying offer.



At least Spurs got a forward. 13 players, full roster with Walker doing G-league time with Metu. Spurs probably will find another Laverne type to play backup center.


Black, Plumlee, Okafor and Speights still available. My bet is Spurs sign Speights

Speights signed in China. He's not Spurs material and would be a poor fit anyway. They don't need another pick-and-pop/stretch big or post up big (Monroe, Okafor). They need a rim runner/finisher.

[Pavlov]

What? No. You and I are just on different wavelengths. The Joff point was not about upside, but to point out I am not talking about 2-way players. Joff was not a two-way player, he was on the full time roster was the point. I am not just asking for two way guys by asking to go with youth over Dante.And you will from now on.

We got a lot of youth already and are set to get more in a Kawhi trade.

[Fusternino]

He'd still be a better fit than Okafor or Monroe.

The Raptors didn't offer him a qualifying offer.

Hmmm . . . I'd give him a try then.

UMD hoops has had an awful time in the draft recently. Trimble, Len, and Jordan Williams all are busts because they either went a year earlier or later than they should have.

[Mikeanaro]

Who the fuck is Dante Cunnington?

[Dverde]

Best case: Young Ime Udoka
Worst case: Older Ime Udoka

[DPG21920]

And you will from now on.

We got a lot of youth already and are set to get more in a Kawhi trade.

Ok - but my point is regardless of the Kawhi trade (or lets say independent of the Kawhi trade) going with youth over someone like Dante doesn’t mean you are looking to rebuild or only want youth.

It makes sense, IMO, to sign youth over guys like Dante in every situation for every team. If it was a vet that was truly viewed as a positive on a team really pushing to win, then I understand. But Dante isn’t some vet that is going to produce above a replacement level player IMO.

[Pavlov]

Ok - but my point is regardless of the Kawhi trade (or lets say independent of the Kawhi trade) going with youth over someone like Dante doesn’t mean you are looking to rebuild or only want youth.

It makes sense, IMO, to sign youth over guys like Dante in every situation for every team. If it was a vet that was truly viewed as a positive on a team really pushing to win, then I understand. But Dante isn’t some vet that is going to produce above a replacement level player IMO.As I said, you will always make this choice.

[LkrFan]

We didn't get LBJ, but we got Dante :downspin::lobt2:

:lol

[DPG21920]

Dante doesn’t hurt SA, im glad it’s a one year deal. I was unhappy with Bertans getting 2nd year guaranteed (even though he’s young, so like I said, it’s not like I just want all youth) but hopefully Beli’s deals is not guaranteed in year 2. That would be great, but I doubt it.

[FireMicoHalili]

At least Spurs got a forward. 13 players, full roster with Walker doing G-league time with Metu. Spurs probably will find another Laverne type to play backup center.

Black, Plumlee, Okafor and Speights still available. My bet is Spurs sign Speights
Spurs haven’t withdrawn their QO to Hilliard.

[phxspurfan]

Totally agree that we could have/should have gone younger with this spot.




Pavlov you're getting shit on son.

[gambit1990]

spurs better not have used part of their BAE. that's for okafor.

[Dverde]

At least Spurs got a forward. 13 players, full roster with Walker doing G-league time with Metu. Spurs probably will find another Laverne type to play backup center.

Black, Plumlee, Okafor and Speights still available. My bet is Spurs sign Speights

Cole Aldrich?

[Dex]

Joffrey Lauvergne had upside?

lol

The only upside of Joff was when he went to the bench. Addition by subtraction.

[ceperez]

He'd still be a better fit than Okafor or Monroe.

The Raptors didn't offer him a qualifying offer.




Speights signed in China. He's not Spurs material and would be a poor fit anyway. They don't need another pick-and-pop/stretch big or post up big (Monroe, Okafor). They need a rim runner/finisher.

Oh well! Slim pickings then!!

[ceperez]

Spurs haven’t withdrawn their QO to Hilliard.

Is that just for a two-way? There's still another two-way spot open, perhaps that another center or the other guy we used to have.

[TD 21]

Ok - but my point is regardless of the Kawhi trade (or lets say independent of the Kawhi trade) going with youth over someone like Dante doesn’t mean you are looking to rebuild or only want youth.


It makes sense, IMO, to sign youth over guys like Dante in every situation for every team. If it was a vet that was truly viewed as a positive on a team really pushing to win, then I understand. But Dante isn’t some vet that is going to produce above a replacement level player IMO.

Makes sense in theory. In reality, they're clearly trying to remain as competitive as possible (at least before October 17th, I'd be shocked if Leonard were traded and a featured offensive wing wasn't coming back) and they needed another forward defender, who can make a 3, for cheap. If they didn't think Blossomgame could do the latter well enough yet, then there wasn't a viable alternative.

[Pavlov]

Totally agree that we could have/should have gone younger with this spot.




Pavlov you're getting shit on son.lol u mad

[phxspurfan]

lol u mad

No I just see u arguing the same PATFO fluffer argument with another poster in less than a hour. Arguing how Dante Cunningham is a great signing lol go you

[DPG21920]

Makes sense in theory. In reality, they're clearly trying to remain as competitive as possible (at least before October 17th, I'd be shocked if Leonard were traded and a featured offensive wing wasn't coming back) and they needed another forward defender, who can make a 3, for cheap. If they didn't think Blossomgame could do the latter well enough yet, then there wasn't a viable alternative.


It is what it is. No biggie just not the best use of a spot IMO but ultimately painless and harmless

[Pavlov]

No I just see u arguing the same PATFO fluffer argument with another poster in less than a hour. Arguing how Dante Cunningham is a great signing lol go youNever said it was a great signing.

Why do you have to lie?

[phxspurfan]

Makes sense in theory. In reality, they're clearly trying to remain as competitive as possible (at least before October 17th, I'd be shocked if Leonard were traded and a featured offensive wing wasn't coming back) and they needed another forward defender, who can make a 3, for cheap. If they didn't think Blossomgame could do the latter well enough yet, then there wasn't a viable alternative.


That's kind of my issue with this FO. They're in denial. They should just be decisive and start the rebuild fully (i.e. invest in more youth) than to keep signing low ceiling marginal rotation players. But it is for the end of the bench so who cares indeed. Just saying I'd rather us have the G league equivalent of a Jordan Bell or whatever than some journeyman who will be out of the league next year.

[phxspurfan]

Never said it was a great signing.

Why do you have to lie?

Because I can't help it, your mother asked if you were a handsome baby :cry

[superbigtime]

say WHAT?

[Pavlov]

Because I can't help it, your mother asked if you were a handsome baby :cryShe's dead, so that doesn't work.

Why do you have to lie?

[Chinook]

He'd still be a better fit than Okafor or Monroe.

The Raptors didn't offer him a qualifying offer.




Speights signed in China. He's not Spurs material and would be a poor fit anyway. They don't need another pick-and-pop/stretch big or post up big (Monroe, Okafor). They need a rim runner/finisher.

Actually a post big would be nice. I'd love a rim-runner in the second unit would be ideal. But as a guy who would only play in case of injuries/foul trouble, it's fine to have a an Aldridge understudy

[SAGirl]

Jean-Charles was and is not an NBA player. Cunningham is. He's not getting waived and neither is Forbes. Paul probably is though.

As of right now, presuming Ginobili retires and Paul is waived, Cunningham is probably a slight favorite over Bertans for the 4th big spot . . .

Bigs: Aldridge, Gasol
Forwards: Gay, Cunningham, Bertans
Wings: Leonard, Green, Belinelli, Walker
Guards: Murray, Mills, White, Forbes

Obviously still need a third center.
How could they have paid 7.5 mill per season to Davis to give the minutes instead to Cunningham. It doesn’t make sense.

[superbigtime]

I really don’t get this. We have YEARS worth of data on Dante and he is like literally barely a replacement level player. He’s not someone that adds wins just because he’s older. He can and could have been easily replaced with an unknown youth and SA would be no worse off in the W/L column.

exactly

[mexicanjunior]

Such a meh signing...shoot this effing season already...

[phxspurfan]

Jean-Charles was and is not an NBA player. Cunningham is. He's not getting waived and neither is Forbes. Paul probably is though.

As of right now, presuming Ginobili retires and Paul is waived, Cunningham is probably a slight favorite over Bertans for the 4th big spot . . .

Bigs: Aldridge, Gasol
Forwards: Gay, Cunningham, Bertans
Wings: Leonard, Green, Belinelli, Walker
Guards: Murray, Mills, White, Forbes

Obviously still need a third center.

You can't include Leonard on any Spurs depth chart when he refuses to even be in the same city as the team

[phxspurfan]

How could they have paid 7.5 mill per season to Davis to give the minutes instead to Cunningham. It doesn’t make sense.

This also.


Rock Bottom


Off season is an abortion

[NASpurs]

At least he can play defense. Do you remember this shit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rvK3Ys2umE

:lol Dante's laughing at it and is already repping the Spurs logo in his profile pic

1018968816049479680

[SAGirl]

This also more than likely closes the door on Blossomgame. If he gets his corner 3 up another level, he'll probably claim this spot next off season.

Good point about Blossomgame. Some fans were hoping he’d make the team. Apparently not yet.

[gambit1990]

this roster is so weird...

[apalisoc_9]

Dante Cunningham, Jarom Blosdomgame, Marco Bellineli, Pau Gasol, Patty Mills...Just hand the Spurs the LOBT already. RC the Magic GM BUFORD making it happenhttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/mynicca1.png
























https://www.thecoli.com/media/mj-ether.3123/full

[Pavlov]

Dante Cunningham, Jarom Blosdomgame, Marco Bellineli, Pau Gasol, Patty Mills...Just hand the Spurs the LOBT already. RC the Magic GM BUFORD making it happenhttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/mynicca1.png
























https://www.thecoli.com/media/mj-ether.3123/fullhttps://media1.tenor.com/images/1f62d36621309adc0acc302e5fb81fcf/tenor.gif

[duncan2150]

What some of you don't undestand is that imo we are complaining about a signing of a guy who'll not bring anything to the spurs . What can cunnigham do well on the court ?

even for the 12th spot i don't like it, i prefer to go young or i prefer a real inside guy like booker, len ....

[Hoops Czar]

If this doesn't convince Kawhi that we're serious about being competitive and surrounding him with talent, I don't know what will.

[Chomag]

Oh man has this FO been exposed since Timmy can't cover for them anymore.

Worst built NBA Team Roster that I have seen in a long time

[monkeypunk]

this roster is so weird...

I think they are building around whatever the return is on Kawhi. What the hell ever that turns out to be.

[hooperflash]

Cunningham's deal with the Spurs is believed to be for the veteran's minimum $2.39 million.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-land-journeyman-Cunningham-13079538.php


Why are we paying him Demarcus Cousins type money? :bang:rolleyes

[99 Problems]

LeBron must have said to Magic get me that guy. I’ll ask Windy.

[Fusternino]

I think they are building around whatever the return is on Kawhi. What the hell ever that turns out to be.

There's not a lot of roster spots left is the problem. Hopefully, Jerry West offers us Harris/Harrell S&T/Jerome Robinson/Dekker (after BP3 is waived and Manu decides to come back) and three unprotected future firsts for Kawhi. That's not a lot of salary coming back to us and we can waive and stretch Forbes/Cunningham (or they're sent to Clippers to match salary/roster spots) while staying under the tax.

[FireMicoHalili]

Other UFA wings Spurs could have signed: Beasley, Brewer, Derrick Williams, Vince Carter, Muhammad, Babbitt, Troy Williams, Richard Jefferson, Huestis, Caboclo, Joe Johnson
Other power forwards Spurs could have signed: Monroe, Booker, Amir Johnson, Vonleh, Okafor, Acy, Mickey, Cavanaugh, McCullough

Only reason I thought of as to why Cunningham was that he played for the Nets and Marks had some recommendations as to this guy’s work ethic. Not a lot of highlights on YouTube, can shoot the corner three. Marginal contribution as a starter for the Pelicans a few years back. I don’t know how this guy moves the needle or how the Spurs plan to use him, most likely a 3/4. Out of all the FAs I probably would have preferred Brewer or Derrick Williams. If they wanted a big I don’t know what happened to their interest in Booker. Vonleh and Okafor would’ve been nice in an 11th/12th man capacity but would probably demand more than what Cunningham will be getting.

Hoopshype ranks him 30th: https://hoopshype.com/2018/07/10/nba-free-agency-2018-the-top-players-2/

If we’re going by the Spurs narrative this is probably in character. Humbled, positionless journeyman joins the Spurs after bouncing around the league. Has a lot of experience as a starter or as a bench player and can do a lot of things, solid but not spectacular. Not bad as a 12th man.

[Joseph Kony]

gah yall are some whiny as mf'ers you know that. :cry why would the spurs sign a veteran forward for the minimum what terrible roster construction how come our 12th man isnt an allstar :cry

like anyone is competing with GS right now anyway. FOH, who really cares tbh. this is neither a plus or a minus deal, just a deal to fill out the roster, quit being fags

[exstatic]

The mouthpiece has spoken

1018945746433990656

Queue the forum outrage for a contract with 1/3 of the value of the MLE....

[SAGirl]

Vet min. One year deal and probably accepted non rotation bench minutes is my guess.
I don’t expect him to play over Davis. Maybe he takes the spot that BP3 had.

[dbestpro]

The word is identity. With or without Kawhi, the Spurs as currently structured have no identity.

[Coach X]

Min Vet contract = good move. This is the classic Spurs vet to fill the bench: good professional, knows the league, comes ready to play/not play at all, generates chemistry in the locker room.
The roster needs not only this kind of big forward but also a true interior player that can help on defense and secure the rebound. These two's main duty would be to put pressure on Gay, Gasol, etc. when they coast during RS. For the interior position, I'd rather add some young blood (with some experience, though).

[ironmike1993]

:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

[RD2191]

The word is identity. With or without Kawhi, the Spurs as currently structured have no identity.

The Spurs haven't had an identity since Timmy retired.

[LkrFan]

Cheap replacement for Leonard

:wow

[Pavlov]

The word is identity. With or without Kawhi, the Spurs as currently structured have no identity.


The Spurs haven't had an identity since Timmy retired.Of course they do.

It's completely LMA-based. Offense and defense. Hopefully he gets more help this season.

[TheDoctor]

The Spurs haven't had an identity since Timmy retired.

[BackHome]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1f62d36621309adc0acc302e5fb81fcf/tenor.gif
:lol :bobo

[r0drig0lac]

The Spurs haven't had an identity since Timmy retired.

[LittleCriminal]

Cunningham is shit pile Kyles replacement on a cheaper contract.
Only Difference is Cunningham is not scared to shoot the three and play physical defense.
I like it.

[cd021]

Can we at least waive BP3 and also sign Greg Monroe? 9 guards right now . . .

Spurs should continue to move away from two big man lineups; just have LMA start at the five and Gasol be his backup with Bertans and Gay at the four.

I wouldn't be opposed to having Metu as the 3rd center, technically the 6th big.

[JPB]

Really an infernal summer...

[Leetonidas]

Shot 38% from distance and rebounded decently in limited time. Solid backup player I suppose. Kind of a meh singing but better than guys like Paul or hilliard

[Dex]

Shot 38% from distance and rebounded decently in limited time. Solid backup player I suppose. Kind of a meh singing but better than guys like Paul or hilliard

Agreed. I’m not sure what people were expecting for a 1-year vet min player who will probably be 12th-14th in the rotation.

We have enough youth to groom with Murray, White, Forbes, Walker, and Metu. Having another vet with some size is a good thing...especially since it isn’t freaking Joffrey.

[Leetonidas]

Agreed. I’m not sure what people were expecting for a 1-year vet min player who will probably be 12th-14th in the rotation.

We have enough youth to groom with Murray, White, Forbes, Walker, and Metu. Having another vet with some size is a good thing...especially since it isn’t freaking Joffrey.

:tu

Especially since he shoots 38% from distance which is 1% under Forbes who was our "leading" 3pt shooter last year :lol

[Pavlov]

Right, if we don't get some kind of real dynamic perimeter scorer we need to surround LMA with shooters. I liked Anderson but his fear of shooting made it easy to let him go.

[BackHome]

Gasol is old as Apo he is going to break down and miss part of the season i just know it. We have no big who can bang down low and you need one hell even Golden State had a big.....................Bring Nikola over Rc

[Leetonidas]

Gasol is old as Apo he is going to break down and miss part of the season i just know it. We have no big who can bang down low and you need one hell even Golden State had a big.....................Bring Nikola over Rc

1. Nikola is already confirmed to be staying in Europe
2. It's not 2005 anymore. What team in the conferce finals had a big who could "bang down low?" none. We already have LMA. We need a garbageman if anything. But we don't need any more slow footed big.

Spurs look to be prioritizing wings/guard play. That's a good thing

[MaNu4Tres]

Actually a post big would be nice. I'd love a rim-runner in the second unit would be ideal. But as a guy who would only play in case of injuries/foul trouble, it's fine to have a an Aldridge understudy

The role for the 3rd big/center will NOT warrant touches to create offense in the post.

That being said, post play isnt an attractive skilset to attain. The 3rd big/center needs to be a versatile defender 1st and foremost ( thats not Jah or Monroe). Offense is the 2nd thing you should look at as the player in that role will be mainly a screener/ finisher.

Vonleh & Len intrigue me. I wish SA signed either one of them over Cunningham who has plateaued and has no upside. Granted Cunningham still is decent piece.

[timvp]

Pretty solid signing for the minimum. The Spurs obviously want to be competitive this coming season, as evident by calling Belinelli at 12:01, so Cunningham fits pretty well with their win-now priorities without sacrificing salary cap room in future campaigns.

My bet is that Cunningham plays strictly power forward for the Spurs. He was never really quick enough to hang with the faster small forwards to begin with. At the wrong side of 30, that'll be be even moreso the case. Adding a somewhat reliable three-point shot makes it possible to picture him as an Horry-type player. At PF, he's also a really good pick-and-roll defender. All in all, he can soak up minutes at PF next to Aldridge or Gasol at C without hurting the Spurs. Not too bad for the minimum.

I remember the Spurs were supposedly interested in him a few years ago but a lot of teams backed off when he got hit with domestic violence charges. It turned out that she probably exaggerated or completely made it up (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/10/23/nba-dante-cunningham-struggles-to-clear-name/17761725/).

[Mr. Body]

Tbh, I always confused this guy with Jeff Ayres before Jeff Ayres stunk it up with the Spurs.

[ace3g]

Already got the Spurs profile pic on Twitter and IG:

https://twitter.com/DlamarC33

https://www.instagram.com/dlamarc33/?hl=en

[Fusternino]

Hard to believe he's only 31, tbh.

[NASpurs]

I forgot that LMA played with Cunningham in Portland. You know that’s a big part of this.

[cutewizard]

Pretty solid signing for the minimum. The Spurs obviously want to be competitive this coming season, as evident by calling Belinelli at 12:01, so Cunningham fits pretty well with their win-now priorities without sacrificing salary cap room in future campaigns.

My bet is that Cunningham plays strictly power forward for the Spurs. He was never really quick enough to hang with the faster small forwards to begin with. At the wrong side of 30, that'll be be even moreso the case. Adding a somewhat reliable three-point shot makes it possible to picture him as an Horry-type player. At PF, he's also a really good pick-and-roll defender. All in all, he can soak up minutes at PF next to Aldridge or Gasol at C without hurting the Spurs. Not too bad for the minimum.

I remember the Spurs were supposedly interested in him a few years ago but a lot of teams backed off when he got hit with domestic violence charges. It turned out that she probably exaggerated or completely made it up (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/10/23/nba-dante-cunningham-struggles-to-clear-name/17761725/).

Thank you, good Sir. :bobo

[cutewizard]

I forgot that LMA played with Cunningham in Portland. You know that’s a big part of this.


LMA is now our main man!

[cutewizard]

A person gets a good job, playing for the best sports org in the world....

Lets be happy for him......

[Fusternino]

Spurs should continue to move away from two big man lineups; just have LMA start at the five and Gasol be his backup with Bertans and Gay at the four.

I wouldn't be opposed to having Metu as the 3rd center, technically the 6th big.

Honestly you're probably right. I'd rather give him the rest of the MLE so we have him under 4 years of a low cost contract. Start developing him sooner too.

But I don't think PATFO will do that.

[SpurPadre]

Yeah, PATFO, fuck Jabari Parker. It's all about Forbes, Bertans and Cunningham...:bang

[8FOR!3]

Decent stretch 4 who can kinda but shouldn't play the 3. I'm not a fan of the player but it's not a bad signing.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Msohg6YMZE

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAxgdjXHvEg

[Leetonidas]

Yeah, PATFO, fuck Jabari Parker. It's all about Forbes, Bertans and Cunningham...:bang

Jabari Parker is fat and cancerous. He also got 20 mil a season. The fuck is your point? :lol

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBy541ZrZq4

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OMC-rP-ISA

[SpurPadre]

Jabari Parker is fat and cancerous. He also got 20 mil a season. The fuck is your point? :lol

That only a retard would rather have Forbes, Bertans, and Cunningham over Parker.

[bklynspursfan]

Jabari Parker is fat and cancerous. He also got 20 mil a season. The fuck is your point? :lol

Seriously :lol

[Leetonidas]

That only a retard would rather have Forbes, Bertans, and Cunningham over Parker.

Who said I would rather have him over them? Tbh only a retard would think it matters because the spurs didn't have cap space to sign him or anyone else they've signed

[Leetonidas]

Plus jabari parker sucks ass :lol just because he was drafted high and scores doesn't meant he's any good

[AFBlue]

Gotta have a Joffrey Louverne type signing every off-season. This is it.

[cd98]

Plus jabari parker sucks ass :lol just because he was drafted high and scores doesn't meant he's any good

He’s pretty good. I remember him playing against Kawhi two seasons ago. He scored 30 points and Bucks beat Spurs in San Antonio. He may not be a superstar, but if he can stop tearing his ACL, he can be all star level.

[DPG21920]

Pretty solid signing for the minimum. The Spurs obviously want to be competitive this coming season, as evident by calling Belinelli at 12:01, so Cunningham fits pretty well with their win-now priorities without sacrificing salary cap room in future campaigns.

My bet is that Cunningham plays strictly power forward for the Spurs. He was never really quick enough to hang with the faster small forwards to begin with. At the wrong side of 30, that'll be be even moreso the case. Adding a somewhat reliable three-point shot makes it possible to picture him as an Horry-type player. At PF, he's also a really good pick-and-roll defender. All in all, he can soak up minutes at PF next to Aldridge or Gasol at C without hurting the Spurs. Not too bad for the minimum.

I remember the Spurs were supposedly interested in him a few years ago but a lot of teams backed off when he got hit with domestic violence charges. It turned out that she probably exaggerated or completely made it up (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/10/23/nba-dante-cunningham-struggles-to-clear-name/17761725/).

If the Spurs goal was to be competitive this year they have failed. They let TP go, lost Kyle and replaced them with Beli/Cunningham.

I don’t think you can say the goal was to take a step forward with those moves.

[Chinook]

If the Spurs goal was to be competitive this year they have failed. They let TP go, lost Kyle and replaced them with Beli/Cunningham.

I don’t think you can say the goal was to take a step forward with those moves.

Beli is an upgrade to Parker, and while I was really bummed about Kyle his value to the team was dependent on being high in the forward rotation. If Leonard or DeRozan starts there and Gay is on the bench, it wouldn't make a ton of sense to have Anderson

[DPG21920]

Beli is an upgrade to Parker, and while I was really bummed about Kyle his value to the team was dependent on being high in the forward rotation. If Leonard or DeRozan starts there and Gay is on the bench, it wouldn't make a ton of sense to have Anderson

Beli is a downgrade from Kyle, TP was a vet that really helped the locker room and Dante is no better than Joff. SA is worse off as of now.

They were already on thin ice without Kawhi last year (though still very competitive) and I think unequivocally they are worse today than they were last year taking Kawhi out of the equation.

White, Murray & Lonnie will have to play well but that is not something you can say on paper would make SA competitive. They are more expensive than they were last year though for the same or worse players.

[timtonymanu]

Mills, Ayres, and Cunningham all spent their rookie season in Portland. Something interesting to note.

[Chinook]

Beli is a downgrade from Kyle, TP was a vet that really helped the locker room and Dante is no better than Joff. SA is worse off as of now.

They were already on thin ice without Kawhi last year (though still very competitive) and I think unequivocally they are worse today than they were last year taking Kawhi out of the equation.

White, Murray & Lonnie will have to play well but that is not something you can say on paper would make SA competitive. They are more expensive than they were last year though for the same or worse players.

Beli is an upgrade to Forbes and Parker, and Kawhi/DeRozan is a massive upgrade to Anderson. I don't know how you can argue they are worse on paper now. I think your position is extremely hard to justify here. I think the roster is too guard-heavy, but there's a clear idea of how the rotation will go now. That alone puts them above last year.

[bklynspursfan]

Beli is an upgrade to Forbes and Parker, and Kawhi/DeRozan is a massive upgrade to Anderson. I don't know how you can argue they are worse on paper now. I think your position is extremely hard to justify here. I think the roster is too guard-heavy, but there's a clear idea of how the rotation will go now. That alone puts them above last year.

Agreed 100% plus Murray's continued growth and White's potential impact.

But not having that klaw sized cloud above them all year is a huge load off in it of itself.

[DPG21920]

Beli is an upgrade to Forbes and Parker, and Kawhi/DeRozan is a massive upgrade to Anderson. I don't know how you can argue they are worse on paper now. I think your position is extremely hard to justify here. I think the roster is too guard-heavy, but there's a clear idea of how the rotation will go now. That alone puts them above last year.

It’s easy to justify if you don’t make assumptions. Spurs don’t have DeRozan and it’s far from a given they will. They don’t have Kawhi and it’s far from a given that he will suit up if he’s not traded.

But I am viewing it in the lense of the team last year (sans Kawhi) and this year. Kyle is the best player of impact out of TP, Kyle, Beli & Dante. So on paper, it’s pretty clear to me that SA is worse than last year.

Of course adding Kawhi or DeRozan would make SA better. But even if you do that, adding Kawhi to SA last season would have made that team better than this one.

I’m a pretty big believer in White/Murray so I am not fretting that guard play being better even with the logjam.

But I am saying that Pau will be worse. Kyle is a massive loss assuming Kawhi or DeRozan aren’t there and Beli won’t make up for the loss of Kyle and just because Bertans is 7x more expensive doesn’t mean he will improve.

SA already had Forbes last year so that doesn’t count.

[Seventyniner]

It’s easy to justify if you don’t make assumptions. Spurs don’t have DeRozan and it’s far from a given they will. They don’t have Kawhi and it’s far from a given that he will suit up if he’s not traded.

But I am viewing it in the lense of the team last year (sans Kawhi) and this year. Kyle is the best player of impact out of TP, Kyle, Beli & Dante. So on paper, it’s pretty clear to me that SA is worse than last year.

Of course adding Kawhi or DeRozan would make SA better. But even if you do that, adding Kawhi to SA last season would have made that team better than this one.

I’m a pretty big believer in White/Murray so I am not fretting that guard play being better even with the logjam.

But I am saying that Pau will be worse. Kyle is a massive loss assuming Kawhi or DeRozan aren’t there and Beli won’t make up for the loss of Kyle and just because Bertans is 7x more expensive doesn’t mean he will improve.

SA already had Forbes last year so that doesn’t count.

The Spurs should have either Kawhi, DeRozan, or another quality player who can soak up a lot of Kyle's minutes. If not then something has gone horribly wrong.

I don't understand the Forbes point. Sure the Spurs had Forbes last year, but he played way more minutes than someone of his (low) talent level should have. IMO the same can be said of Parker, though it was old age/injury instead of talent.

[Fusternino]

I don't think Pau will get worse. He's already as immobile as he will be away from the basket. I also would've preferred the 4/20 Bertans deal over the 2/14.5 one. I also would've preferred the Spurs matched Kyle and simply given Forbes a recommendation to another team given everything he went through-but who knows how bad the Holt marriage situation is especially with regards to being over the tax line (we're only hard capped at the apron, not the tax line). The only way that signing makes sense is if the financial situation is really that bad or Forbes can be packaged in a future trade as roster/salary filler more easily than Kyle (that would also certainly be true).

Lauvergne was OK offensively and a matador on defense. If you use most of the remaining MLE to lock up Metu for 4 years, then there's way more upside in that situation.

I don't think Rudy finally being fully healthy and able to play 24-30 minutes a night consistently is being considered enough here. This team looks to be moving in the direction of having a few good iso-ball players surrounded by shooters. A guy like him really helps.

As far as cheap wing players we could get with the bulk of the MLE I would have preferred Mbah a Moute. He's an actual 3&D guy vs. just shooting the 3-ball. But maybe his shoulder injury is career alternating? Given that and the team's familiarity with Marco, I'm OK with him being on the team.

Letting Tony walk for anything above the minimum was the correct decision . . . sorry. His situation (Batum/Borrego) is nice and he'll get playing time so I'm happy for him.

Cunningham isn't a great pick-up what are you gonna do with just the BAE and the minimum available?

Anyways maybe once Kawhi starts playing . . . he'll be happy to just play basketball. Who knows. I'm 100% certain there will be no trade this summer. We'll see what happens after 12/15.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs should have either Kawhi, DeRozan, or another quality player who can soak up a lot of Kyle's minutes. If not then something has gone horribly wrong.

I don't understand the Forbes point. Sure the Spurs had Forbes last year, but he played way more minutes than someone of his (low) talent level should have. IMO the same can be said of Parker, though it was old age/injury instead of talent.

That’s fine, but SA should have had Kawhi or DeRozan last year. So take them out of the equation, which roster is better? I think that adding Beli/Dante while losing TP/Kyle and maybe Manu make the team worse.

Not like majorly worse, but worse.

Now, Murray/White/Lonnie may really step up and be a lot better than TP/Manu were/are and Beli may play really well, but on paper? I think the squad is worse some.

The Forbes comment was due to Chinook bringing up Forbes and I was just saying he, like Bertans was already playing last year so they don’t factor into my calculus here.

[Fusternino]

Just checked Spotrac . . . this deal was for effectively the remainder of the MLE. Guess we'll need to use the BAE or minimum for the final big after one of Manu/BP3 is gone.

[rascal]

Load the team with limited upside players. Sounds like a good rebuild strategy.

[ducks]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OMC-rP-ISA


Load the team with limited upside players. Sounds like a good rebuild strategy.

Why rebuild 2 mvp candidates on team
Lma was 5 last year
Leonard finished 2 and 3 last 2 years
Not last year of course

[J_Paco]

gah yall are some whiny as mf'ers you know that. :cry why would the spurs sign a veteran forward for the minimum what terrible roster construction how come our 12th man isnt an allstar :cry

like anyone is competing with GS right now anyway. FOH, who really cares tbh. this is neither a plus or a minus deal, just a deal to fill out the roster, quit being fags

Cause they have nothing better to do but complain, lie and denigrate Pop/RC.

They still have 3 remaining roster spots, I believe, after this signing so they have time/opportunities to bring in the vaunted "youth" that people covet (and will later bitch about too).

Complaining about a 9th - 11th man, LOL.

[Chinook]

That’s fine, but SA should have had Kawhi or DeRozan last year. So take them out of the equation, which roster is better? I think that adding Beli/Dante while losing TP/Kyle and maybe Manu make the team worse.

Not like majorly worse, but worse.

Now, Murray/White/Lonnie may really step up and be a lot better than TP/Manu were/are and Beli may play really well, but on paper? I think the squad is worse some.

The Forbes comment was due to Chinook bringing up Forbes and I was just saying he, like Bertans was already playing last year so they don’t factor into my calculus here.

The Spurs were "better" last year because they had someone to fill in for Leonard. That guy couldn't consistently play well WITH Leonard, so it was pretty much either/or. They have Leonard this year, so they don't need that guy. They're better now.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs were "better" last year because they had someone to fill in for Leonard. That guy couldn't consistently play well WITH Leonard, so it was pretty much either/or. They have Leonard this year, so they don't need that guy. They're better now.

They don’t have Leonard now. In fact, the only reporting we have thus far is that Kawhi will sit out.

[Chinook]

They don’t have Leonard now. In fact, the only reporting we have thus far is that Kawhi will sit out.

That's you making assumptions. They actually have Leonard now. That's a fact and the only one that matters.

[DPG21920]

That's you making assumptions. They actually have Leonard now. That's a fact and the only one that matters.

Okie dokie. They had Kawhi last year too, yet Kyle flourished.

[Chinook]

Okie dokie. They had Kawhi last year too, yet Kyle flourished.

Yeah no. You're being obtuse. They didn't have Leonard last year. He was hurt. He's not hurt anymore and can't grt hurt "again" without officially breaching his contract for a non-basketball injury

[ceperez]

A lot of corporate knowledge has been lost with the departure of Parker, Anderson and maybe Ginobili. That's difficult to replace and its what's made Spurs competitive despite a lack of talent and athleticism.

Kyle never really compensated for the loss of Boris Diaw. It can be argued that Diaw could also have won the MVP instead of Leonard.

So who can play the beautiful game now for the Spurs? Who are the players who have an uncanny vision of the court and spacing and know where to move the ball?

I think the only guys are Derrick White and Patty Mills. The problem with Mills is that he's too small to orchestrate and is just the recipient of a good play.

Everyone else seems to be one dimensional. Good at what they do, but nothing else.

I blame everything on Messina. It's been downhill ever since he's been signed.

[Truth4sale$]

People have to remember; It's hard to attract free agents to San Antonio. With the uncertainty of both Popovich long term and Kawhi next year, why would anyone come to San Antonio this year or next. Spurs are likely only gong to be able draft a young upside player(Murray or Walker), or sign undrafted hope and prayer developmental players (Bryn Forbes) and back fill journeymen players Dante Cunningham to fill spots.

[Truth4sale$]

I believe Derrick White will be a poor version of Manu. He is a combo guard that will prove to be a pleasant surprise. He does a little bit of everything. He gets guys involved, and clearly works his ass off. I would like to see him start as Walker sits in Austin for a season.

[cutewizard]

I believe Derrick White will be a poor version of Manu. He is a combo guard that will prove to be a pleasant surprise. He does a little bit of everything. He gets guys involved, and clearly works his ass off. I would like to see him start as Walker sits in Austin for a season.

:bobo

[jjktkk]

If the Spurs goal was to be competitive this year they have failed. They let TP go, lost Kyle and replaced them with Beli/Cunningham.

I don’t think you can say the goal was to take a step forward with those moves.

You left out resigning Bertans, as a replacement for SLOMO. Also, the Spurs have always preferred veteran laden squads, so I'm surprised you're shocked with the Cunningham signing.

[SAGirl]

It’s easy to justify if you don’t make assumptions. Spurs don’t have DeRozan and it’s far from a given they will. They don’t have Kawhi and it’s far from a given that he will suit up if he’s not traded.

But I am viewing it in the lense of the team last year (sans Kawhi) and this year. Kyle is the best player of impact out of TP, Kyle, Beli & Dante. So on paper, it’s pretty clear to me that SA is worse than last year.

Of course adding Kawhi or DeRozan would make SA better. But even if you do that, adding Kawhi to SA last season would have made that team better than this one.

I’m a pretty big believer in White/Murray so I am not fretting that guard play being better even with the logjam.

But I am saying that Pau will be worse. Kyle is a massive loss assuming Kawhi or DeRozan aren’t there and Beli won’t make up for the loss of Kyle and just because Bertans is 7x more expensive doesn’t mean he will improve.

SA already had Forbes last year so that doesn’t count.
I agree. There's too much trolling in this site and guys who are negative no matter what the team does, so I am "grieving" the loss of Kyle on my own. He will be missed and it's much easier for guys to not acknowledge it.

However, I think the Spurs are trying to get Kawhi committed and healthy. If they do that, the loss of Kyle won't matter all that much bc a healthy and committed Kawhi will take most of the available minutes as a SF anyways and Kyle's impact would have been diminished anyways. White and DJ stand to be the most impactful youngsters next season and should take all minutes that previously went to Tony between both of them. They will play at positions of need and their impact will be increased by letting Tony go, and Manu likely retiring. No matter what happens with Kawhi if both are in the team I expect Pop to rely on them a lot.

I am frankly not that excited about Belli back. To me it signals Manu's likely retirement. I think he will take a role similar to what Manu had and he's not as good as Manu as an overall player and is very deficient defensively. That just adds another traffic cone in the Mills mold that Pop will overplay due to his shooting/scoring, but its fools gold. He doesn't move the needle, except to the negative side against the elite teams. Can swallow a lot of regular rotation minutes tho so it helps the quest to stay competitive, but that's it. Considering how much Forbes struggled last year the addition of Belli is good but as I said is tempered by my belief Manu will retire and Forbes will still see playing time.

To me the team is worse off bc Manu and Kyle > Belli and Dante.

If Kawhi isn't committed or continues with chronic injuries I frankly don't think they are as good as last season, unless Dijon and/or White have MIP caliber seasons and that's just really unpredictable. I expect Walker to be in the GLeague a lot so any contributions from him are bonus to me this year.

I am going to be disgusted by Derozan in the team. He just further tilts the team away from a defensive team towards a fools gold team that chokes in the playoffs.

It is what it is. They will be fine if they have a healthy MVP Kawhi. Otherwise they completely depend on Dijon and White development to be better than last season. Since many here want to tank anyways if they end up worse than last year, it's expected.

[SAGirl]

I don't think Pau will get worse. He's already as immobile as he will be away from the basket. I also would've preferred the 4/20 Bertans deal over the 2/14.5 one. I also would've preferred the Spurs matched Kyle and simply given Forbes a recommendation to another team given everything he went through-but who knows how bad the Holt marriage situation is especially with regards to being over the tax line (we're only hard capped at the apron, not the tax line). The only way that signing makes sense is if the financial situation is really that bad or Forbes can be packaged in a future trade as roster/salary filler more easily than Kyle (that would also certainly be true).

Lauvergne was OK offensively and a matador on defense. If you use most of the remaining MLE to lock up Metu for 4 years, then there's way more upside in that situation.

I don't think Rudy finally being fully healthy and able to play 24-30 minutes a night consistently is being considered enough here. This team looks to be moving in the direction of having a few good iso-ball players surrounded by shooters. A guy like him really helps.

As far as cheap wing players we could get with the bulk of the MLE I would have preferred Mbah a Moute. He's an actual 3&D guy vs. just shooting the 3-ball. But maybe his shoulder injury is career alternating? Given that and the team's familiarity with Marco, I'm OK with him being on the team.

Letting Tony walk for anything above the minimum was the correct decision . . . sorry. His situation (Batum/Borrego) is nice and he'll get playing time so I'm happy for him.

Cunningham isn't a great pick-up what are you gonna do with just the BAE and the minimum available?

Anyways maybe once Kawhi starts playing . . . he'll be happy to just play basketball. Who knows. I'm 100% certain there will be no trade this summer. We'll see what happens after 12/15.
Good quality post.

[SAGirl]

The Spurs were "better" last year because they had someone to fill in for Leonard. That guy couldn't consistently play well WITH Leonard, so it was pretty much either/or. They have Leonard this year, so they don't need that guy. They're better now.
I wouldn't say Kyle couldn't consistently play well with Kawhi. He was rarely afforded that opportunity frankly. But it's a moot point.

[Chinook]

I wouldn't say Kyle couldn't consistently play well with Kawhi. He was rarely afforded that opportunity frankly. But it's a moot point.

Kyle couldn't consistently play well at all, but he couldn't do it with Leonard in particular because both need the ball in their hands, and Leonard was just going to get it more. In spurts, Kyle was aggressive enough off the ball and getting boards to be effective with Leonard. But some combination of Beli, Bertans and Cunningham playing more should help that a lot.

[SAGirl]

Kyle couldn't consistently play well at all, but he couldn't do it with Leonard in particular because both need the ball in their hands, and Leonard was just going to get it more. In spurts, Kyle was aggressive enough off the ball and getting boards to be effective with Leonard. But some combination of Beli, Bertans and Cunningham playing more should help that a lot.
Disagree. I don't think we saw enough of that enough to be strongly opinionated anyways. Kyle barely played rotation minutes 2 years ago and last season Kawhi was injured. They may have had more opportunities 3 seasons ago, when it was barely Kyle's second season in the league and the first time he really got playing time and he was still in the bench most of his minutes and struggling to be consistent but in terms of his prior playing time his second season, it was limited. I don't think you can harbor a strong opinion on it either way bc limited samples and opportunities. It's moot anyways.

Edit: I just checked in basketball reference and Kawhi/Kyle together were a positive for the team since 2015-16. It's obviously limited samples each year that register between 250-300 minutes tops and last season barely 44 minutes but in limited samples the indication is to the contrary. The team was winning games when they shared the court most of the time.

[TheCerebral1]

Scrub bench player addition. Yet again our offseason.

[ernest787]

SAgirl still can't go over the fact that Kyle is a scrub and when people point out that he wasn't consistent in any role, yet alone one that featured Kawhi, she say it's a moot point lol

Can you go to the Memphis board already?

[TimDunkem]

A lot of corporate knowledge has been lost with the departure of Parker, Anderson and maybe Ginobili. That's difficult to replace and its what's made Spurs competitive despite a lack of talent and athleticism.

Kyle never really compensated for the loss of Boris Diaw. It can be argued that Diaw could also have won the MVP instead of Leonard.

So who can play the beautiful game now for the Spurs? Who are the players who have an uncanny vision of the court and spacing and know where to move the ball?

I think the only guys are Derrick White and Patty Mills. The problem with Mills is that he's too small to orchestrate and is just the recipient of a good play.

Everyone else seems to be one dimensional. Good at what they do, but nothing else.

I blame everything on Messina. It's been downhill ever since he's been signed.

That's fine. Let's allow some new blood to gain that knowledge. Out with old, in with the new.

[venitian navigator]

The point is not that our team has become worst but that a lot of teams have become better...frankly, in the west, I see quite no teams as lottery bound.
Also Sacramento and Phoenix have no more reason to tank...and they have a lot of young and promising players...in all the roles (Fox - Hield - Bogdanovic - Bagley - Stain is a good and young starting five on paper; and except for point guard, Booker - Jackson - Bender - Ayton are actually four of the best young nba players).

Like SA Girl I also liked Kyle as a player and as a person that loved to play with us...at the same time its clear that he was a starting piece mainly because of the Kiwhi problems.
As for now, we have to consider Leonard back to the team. Its in his best interest to show he's back in the game and more than all back at the same level...and he cannot lose a lot of time showing that...bacause his drama has put him in a difficult position. He has to show not only that he is healthy, but also that he is durable...for as much as it could sound absurd, the more he looks like he faked or exagerate his injury, the more his value will be back at the supermax level.
At same point, if he keeps playing stupid mind games with the team, the team will be legitimate to bench him and relegate him in playing garbage time.
I think one reason to sign a lot of back court players has something to do with that. Lots of different solutions...

That said, just considering our status quo, we are quite even...and a lot better if Kiwhi plays.

point guards Murray - White - Ginobili (instead of Parker . Murray . White) I think here ther's a clear upgrade; the Parker Role will be of Manu
Shooting guard Mills - Green - Walker/Forbes (Instead of Green - Mills - Forbes) Even -No upgrade till Walker develop in an NBA player, but Mills was a starter
Small f. Leonard - Beli - Paul (instead of Leonard - Manu - Paul) Clear upgrade simply because Kiwhi has now to play. And Beli is good 6 man
Power f. Gay - Bertans - Cunningham (instead of Kyle - Gay - Bertans) Even -If healthy, Gay is better starter than Kyle; the other two can be good
Center Lma - Pau - ? Metu? (instead of Lma - Pau - Lauvergne) Even considering Lma will play this role from the beginning

If that will be enough to be back as contenders is difficult to understand...alln depends by the K. factor...

[Chinook]

Disagree. I don't think we saw enough of that enough to be strongly opinionated anyways. Kyle barely played rotation minutes 2 years ago and last season Kawhi was injured. They may have had more opportunities 3 seasons ago, when it was barely Kyle's second season in the league and the first time he really got playing time and he was still in the bench most of his minutes and struggling to be consistent but in terms of his prior playing time his second season, it was limited. I don't think you can harbor a strong opinion on it either way bc limited samples and opportunities. It's moot anyways.

Edit: I just checked in basketball reference and Kawhi/Kyle together were a positive for the team since 2015-16. It's obviously limited samples each year that register between 250-300 minutes tops and last season barely 44 minutes but in limited samples the indication is to the contrary. The team was winning games when they shared the court most of the time.

The team was winning games any time Leonard was on the court.