Horrible trade, horrible.

[Sigz]

Just turrible.

What a shitty return.

Demar 'kobe chuckin' Derozen?

Some feather big man in a small ball world?

Still have fucking contracts of Gasol and Mills?

Jeez.... Fucking A.

I honestly would have rather watched Kawhi sit out the entire year just to waste a year of his prime than to go through with this.

[RD2191]

Wrong.

[ducks]

spurs got an allstar better then what I thought they would get
when publically a person says only wanting to go to la

[Dingle Barry]

The pick being protected is fucking gay.

[look_at_g_shred]

Everyone on social media has the spurs winning the trade by a mile.

[itzsoweezee]

Raptors dump their shitty DeRozan contract on the Spurs without taking on any of the Spurs' shitty contacts is a huge win for the raptors.

[housious]

What did you expect? Did you think Golden St was going to send Durant in exchange? Some of you guys need a reality check. This is about the best possible outcome of shitty situation.

[Blake]

Raptors dump their shitty DeRozan contract on the Spurs without taking on any of the Spurs' shitty contacts is a huge win for the raptors.

In terms of saving money, yeah.

In terms of winning, no.

[KDKSpurs24]

This was about as good as Spurs could do with no leverage unfortunately a lot of people thought we had the leverage when it just wasn’t the case. All lies on Murray, White and Walker to develop into what they’re truly capable of being and the team should be fine in the long run.

[Sigz]

Derozen is a career loser, especially in games that matter. He's a pure chucker and volume player. Literally, he does NOTHING to make his teammates better. He needs the ball in his hands to do anything, and that anything is to chuck.

Poeltl is intriguing, if it were the 2000s when big men actually mattered in the NBA. There is no way we'll be playing Aldridge and Poeltl consistently at the same time, going up against the Warriors or Rockets....

Danny Green is in decline. Sure he's a nice guy, but he couldn't shoot anymore to save his life. But he could somewhat still defend - which hurts us, as we don't have anymore wing defenders.

We still have Mills or Gasol. The end.

[Reeko_Htown]

You guys have built a contender with a a core of DeRozen, LMA and Gasol....a contender in 2007

[daslicer]

In terms of saving money, yeah.

In terms of winning, no.

Pretty much this.

[mexicanjunior]

Raptors dump their shitty DeRozan contract on the Spurs without taking on any of the Spurs' shitty contacts is a huge win for the raptors.

Yep...Poeltl is basically Eubanks and the protected first rounder is garbage...Bad all around...

[rjv]

in some ways, leonard is not too different from derozen offensively speaking in that kawhi also was an iso player for a good chunk of his last full season here. where leonard is a beast is that he is more physical on both ends. we'll see whether or not he is really damaged goods though. i have no problem with letting green go. and i won't make any comments on how this impacts the cap because there is no way of knowing what moves the spurs may still make regarding the roster and cap space. if the spurs can pull off getting someone like butler to come over next season then they will be pretty decent. ultimately though, the spurs have to hope that one of their younger players becomes the next star. and considering that it's the warriors trophy for at least the next couple of years, the spurs will have some time for that.

[Spurminator]

Y'all act like DeRozan isn't going to be coached by the Spurs.

[acoelho1]

Not sure what benefit of this trade other than sticking it to Kawhi's group. DeRozan is a flawed player and a team with LMA and DeRozan as your best players is a recipe for disaster in the playoffs. Let's hope one of our young guards becomes a star.

[Chucho]

This board melted down so bad it's crashing the server...GTF over it. This is about as good as it's gonna get for a mental midget faggot that clearly states he's a 1 year rental.

[Dre_7]

:lol Spurs could have gotten the entire Raptors roster for Kawhi and ST would call it a horrible trade

[Brunodf]

We can only hope they'll also trade Derozan :lol hate his game

They should've traded Kawhi much earlier tbh

[dbreiden83080]

We got an all star back. We had no leverage thanks to Shit-Head wrecking his own value with all his bullshit the last 12 months..

[mexicanjunior]

Would have preferred to take the Lakers "godfather" deal a month ago...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2783427-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-lakers-present-spurs-with-a-godfather-offer

[Quadzilla99]

We got fleeced

[Blake]

We got fleeced

As soon as Kawhi wanted out, it was inevitable

[Spur|n|Austin]

Complaining about DeRozan when Kawhi didn't want to be here and wouldn't have even played :lol

[dbestpro]

KL gets to go to a country that will take another 30% of his income. Welcome to Canada KL.

[Blake]

KL gets to go to a country that will take another 30% of his income. Welcome to Canada KL.

:lol

[rascal]

This was about as good as Spurs could do with no leverage unfortunately a lot of people thought we had the leverage when it just wasn’t the case. All lies on Murray, White and Walker to develop into what they’re truly capable of being and the team should be fine in the long run.

Then the Spurs should have made a trade earlier instead of waiting so long and watch Kawhi's value tank.

[AaronY]

Derozan jesus christ. Would rather have a shit contract to make the salaries match and then 2-3 unprotected firsts to blow it up. Ship LMA for draft picks too

[dbestpro]

KL gets to go to a country that will take another 30% of his income. Welcome to Canada KL. This is the ultimate punishment trade. It hurts the Spurs, Lakers, 76ers, Boston, and KL. Everyone gets some pain.

[rascal]

Yep...Poeltl is basically Eubanks and the protected first rounder is garbage...Bad all around...

The Spurs should have gotten a potential lottery pick in any trade for Leonard. protected picks are garbage.

[spurraider21]

if we weren't going to get OG, and the first round pick is this protected... i woulda preferred Harris + two firsts imo. especially since michael porter was on the board

[Quadzilla99]

As soon as Kawhi wanted out, it was inevitable

We should have at least gotten that small forward they just took in the draft

[Dverde]

If Kawhi would have given the Paul George answer about being open minded we would have gotten a better return.

[KDKSpurs24]

Then the Spurs should have made a trade earlier instead of waiting so long and watch Kawhi's value tank.
Had you not been listening to the reports this summer?? Spurs wanted to try hard to keep Kawhi.. they weren’t necessarily waiting out deals. Getting a 29 year old all star back (even if you don’t like his game) is still better than unproven guys. They never were gonna get as much as this. Lakers weren’t even offering Kuzma or Ingram and Philly weren’t offering Fultz. Boston wasn’t gonna give up anyone. And no one else were even trying to trade for him.

[Spur|n|Austin]

What's that old saying - it's not a deal until everybody feels like they are getting a little screwed?

[Quadzilla99]

if we weren't going to get OG, and the first round pick is this protected... i woulda preferred Harris + two firsts imo. especially since michael porter was on the board

Its horrible. Why not just blow it up. Fucking derozan. Whats the point?

[ducks]

DeMar Derozan has averaged 20+ points for 5 consecutive seasons. All-Star scorer. Not much of a 3-point shooter (28.9 percent lifetime).

Jakob Poetl is a 22-year-old former lottery pick (9th overall in 2016). Entering his third season. Averaged 6.9 points and 4.8 rebs last year.

[ducks]

One player the #Spurs can count on to help DeMar buy into SA is Rudy Gay. The two are extremely close from their time playing together in Toronto. Starting five could include Rudy and DeMar with LaMarcus and Dejounte

[SpursDynasty85]

The Spurs should have gotten a potential lottery pick in any trade for Leonard. protected picks are garbage.

First round draft picks are valued very highly now. You guys like Walker and White? Well we get a chance at two more next offseason. Board can be mad all they want but Kawhi was the one that was sabotaging his trade value and him going to training camp was not a good idea.

[rascal]

Had you not been listening to the reports this summer?? Spurs wanted to try hard to keep Kawhi.. they weren’t necessarily waiting out deals. Getting a 29 year old all star back (even if you don’t like his game) is still better than unproven guys. They never were gonna get as much as this. Lakers weren’t even offering Kuzma or Ingram and Philly weren’t offering Fultz. Boston wasn’t gonna give up anyone. And no one else were even trying to trade for him.

That was the Spurs mistake trying to keep Leonard, the relationship was over. Had the spurs been more certain they wanted to make a trade they could have gotten a better trade on draft day or before. The Spurs were not making offers, other than saying they might be interested in a player or two, just listening, so they waited too long to make the decision that he was going to be traded. What offers did the Spurs make to teams that were turned down on draft night or before?

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Nothing was going to be better at this point. It's whatever.

[TheGreatYacht]

PATFO cock eaters working overtime this morning.

This is the bottom line:

Spurs got a depressed fuck who scores 8 points in elimination games on a mammoth contract

Spurs won't get a first round pick

Spurs won't get the young wing prospect they were inquiring for

Spurs keep the Gasol and Mills contracts

In a league where PJ Tucker and Bojan Bogdanovic net you a first round pick, you inexplicably use Green as filler.

[tbdog]

Raptors dump their shitty DeRozan contract on the Spurs without taking on any of the Spurs' shitty contacts is a huge win for the raptors.

13th highest paid player in the nba. Just above Porter, Wiggins, Drummond. Below Hayward, Conley, Anthony. This guy is loyal. Took a paycut to stay with Raptors. He seems like a Spurs guy. Can't wait to see what Pop can get out of an elite scorer.

[ducks]

That was the Spurs mistake trying to keep Leonard, the relationship was over. Had the spurs been more certain they wanted to make a trade they could have gotten a better trade on draft day or before. The Spurs were not making offers, other than saying they might be interested in a player or two, just listening, so they waited too long to make the decision that he was going to be traded. What offers did the Spurs make to teams that were turned down on draft night or before?
liar pants on fire

[KDKSpurs24]

That was the Spurs mistake trying to keep Leonard, the relationship was over. Had the spurs been more certain they wanted to make a trade they could have gotten a better trade on draft day or before. The Spurs were not making offers, other than saying they might be interested in a player or two, just listening, so they waited too long to make the decision that he was going to be traded. What offers did the Spurs make to teams that were turned down on draft night or before?
Well it’s in the past now. I’m not upset with the trade. The only thing I’m a little disappointed about is not getting OG or Siakam.

[superbigtime]

forbes .. garbage, no D
beli .. washed up garbage, no D (but nice tan)
bertans .. overpaid
Mills .. chucker, no D, can't create
Murray .. no 3, can't distribute
Gasol .. slow AF
Cunningham .. what's the point
Poeltl .. euro/bench
White .. unknown
rook .. won't play
Rudy .. won't play enuf
LMA .. thank God
Derozan .. midranger, no D, no 3, not a winner

BLEAK!!!!!!!!

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Yeah, Demar is going to be loyal as fuck and you can't get that with a cancer.

Also at this moment Raptor fans are hating the deal, basically giving up their best player for a year rental.

[ducks]

there was no team after leonard made it known that offered a 5 time all star and a lottery pick that is 22 years old

[hater]

OP reminds me of a recovering cancer patient who ad breats removed due to cancerous tumors on it
“Horrible doctor horrible. You took off my breast to save my life. How could you” :cry

[TheGreatYacht]

Poeltl/Gasol
Aldridge/Bertans
DeRozan/Gay
Belinelli/Forbes
Murray/Mills

"6th Seeth in the Weth and 2 playoff winth bitchettthhh!!!"

"The 20th pick in the draft in a stheal already!"

[Mr. Body]

One player the #Spurs can count on to help DeMar buy into SA is Rudy Gay. The two are extremely close from their time playing together in Toronto. Starting five could include Rudy and DeMar with LaMarcus and Dejounte

Hey, ducks, what do you think of our traitor president, you piece of shit?

[iGetbuckets]

Spurs talk:lmao

i guess y’all preferred the lakers or the sixers shitty deals

[barbacoataco]

Can't figure out why people hate this deal. Spurs were lucky to get an Allstar in retur.n.

[SpursBills]

make no mistake Masai absolutely demolished RC in this deal. Spurs were eventually going to have to rebuild anyway but this was an opportunity to save years on the rebuild. Now you're looking at a slow death march to mediocrity and then another 5 years back to respectability.

Meanwhile, worst case scenario the raptors get to free up 30 million next year and kickstart their rebuild early. Best case scenario they have a puncher's chance at the title and retain their top two young players anyway.

smh

[DAF86]

I heard is just DeCanzer, a white stiff and a late first rounder. :lmao

Thanks for everything PATFO, but it's time to retire.

[TheGreatYacht]

I heard is just DeCanzer, a white stiff and a late first rounder. :lmao

Thanks for everything PATFO, but it's time to retire.
:lol won't even be a first rounder. It turns into 2nd round picks after this year.....

[poop]

None of this even matters cause GS is gonna cruise to the next 3-4 titles anyway. The nba is a joke now

[SuperCam]

make no mistake Masai absolutely demolished RC in this deal. Spurs were eventually going to have to rebuild anyway but this was an opportunity to save years on the rebuild. Now you're looking at a slow death march to mediocrity and then another 5 years back to respectability.

Meanwhile, worst case scenario the raptors get to free up 30 million next year and kickstart their rebuild early. Best case scenario they have a puncher's chance at the title and retain their top two young players anyway.

smh

PATFO got bent over and gaped hard. one of the worst trades ever if Killa' Kyrie or Ingram was on the table, and turning down two lottery picks too.


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MasaiVP showing the size of the beef stick he just broke off in PATFO :wow

[BSfromTX]

If its 2016 it is horrible, but the dude has not played in OVER a year with the exception of nine games, has dishonored his contract, asked to be traded, and is at best a one year rental for most teams. Dude can't be trusted. I think we did well considering.

[rascal]

Can't figure out why people hate this deal. Spurs were lucky to get an Allstar in retur.n.

Would have rather had the 10th pick(Mikal Bridges) from Phil and players or the Clippers offer on draft night. Phil still wanted Leonard on draft night but didn't want to trade Fultz but most likely would have moved the 10th pick (which Phil didn't want to keep) Saric and Covington on draft night had the spurs put out the offer.

[DAF86]

:lol won't even be a first rounder. It turns into 2nd round picks after this year.....

Why? Is it a protected pick?

[ducks]

Why? Is it a protected pick?

because that is what it took to get her done

[Blake]

Poeltl/Gasol
Aldridge/Bertans
DeRozan/Gay
Belinelli/Forbes
Murray/Mills

"6th Seeth in the Weth and 2 playoff winth bitchettthhh!!!"

"The 20th pick in the draft in a stheal already!"

Yeah we should have tried to trade with Golden State to get Durant, Curry and Klay

[DAF86]

Are the details of the trade already official?

[vander]

Really disappointed we didn't get that OG guy.

[LakerHater]

Damn Derozan & Poetl for Danny Green & a 2x DPOY, FMVP & MVP runner up

[TheGreatYacht]

Are the details of the trade already official?
Yes. PATFO cock eaters have convinced themselves it's lemonade and not piss on a cup.

[HarlemHeat37]

I understand why the Spurs made the trade..there's no way Pop was going to coach a rebuilding team in his final years, which would have been the case had they done the Lakers deal(if the Lakers were even offering Ingram)..

Philly never offered Fultz, Boston wasn't going to give anything up..the only deal they may have missed out on was the Clippers package..

It'll make them much better than last year and they don't lose dignity by sending him to LA, which is probably all they wanted..this team will be unwatchable with DeRozan and Gay, but it can't be aesthetically worse than last year's team:lol

At the end of the day, Kawhi and his team killed the Spurs..it's the NBA, the players have the power, even when it seems like they don't..

[gambit1990]

Are the details of the trade already official?
so far only per the teams' social media pages.

[ceperez]

Beggars can't be choosers.

Spurs have an all-star that can be trained to play more efficiently.

Besides, there's no reason why they can't trade DeRozan for someone else!

[NickiRasgo]

I don't mind the trade but OG Anunoby is not included. :(

[DAF86]

Somebody please tell me the pick is at least unprotected.

[rascal]

I understand why the Spurs made the trade..there's no way Pop was going to coach a rebuilding team in his final years, which would have been the case had they done the Lakers deal(if the Lakers were even offering Ingram)..

Philly never offered Fultz, Boston wasn't going to give anything up..the only deal they may have missed out on was the Clippers package..

It'll make them much better than last year and they don't lose dignity by sending him to LA, which is probably all they wanted..this team will be unwatchable with DeRozan and Gay, but it can't be aesthetically worse than last year's team:lol

At the end of the day, Kawhi and his team killed the Spurs..it's the NBA, the players have the power, even when it seems like they don't..

They missed out all the deals they did not try to make. They were not actively looking to make trade offers to other teams on draft night and so they missed any potential trades that they could have made on draft night.
Spurs dragged their feet too long in deciding to trade Kawhi. Total mess up by PATFO but the homers here will not accept it.

[rascal]

Somebody please tell me the pick is at least unprotected.

Protected pick

[TXstbobcat]

Why? Is it a protected pick?

Top 20 protected.

[Dex]

Are the details of the trade already official?

Pop's already done his press conference on it, so I'd say its about as official as it's going to get until Kawhi does his physical.

[HarlemHeat37]

They missed out all the deals they did not try to make. They were not actively looking to make trade offers to other teams on draft night and so they missed any potential trades that they could have made on draft night.
Spurs dragged their feet too long in deciding to trade Kawhi. Total mess up by PATFO but the homers here will not accept it.

How do you know any of this?

[BackHome]

People at work laughing their asses off that he is being traded to Toronto. Lol

[DAF86]

Protected pick


Top 20 protected.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[DAF86]

Well, no reason to be hoping for a bad Toronto season now. Hopefully they get to the finals, so Kawhi doesn't get traded to LA midseason, and then Zaza takes the bitch out for good.

[rascal]

How do you know any of this?

You would have heard had the spurs made offers to teams that were rejected.
What I did see was the spurs were just listening to offers from other teams but not actively making offers to other teams.

[spurraider21]

They missed out all the deals they did not try to make. They were not actively looking to make trade offers to other teams on draft night and so they missed any potential trades that they could have made on draft night.
Spurs dragged their feet too long in deciding to trade Kawhi. Total mess up by PATFO but the homers here will not accept it.
clips package was the best. 2 firsts and michael porter was there, while tobias isn't that much worse than derozan, especially if he can maintain his sudden 40% three point shooting

[spurraider21]

Well, no reason to be hoping for a bad Toronto season now. Hopefully they get to the finals, so Kawhi doesn't get traded to LA midseason, and then Zaza takes the bitch out for good.
1019609477551706112

[rascal]

Beggars can't be choosers.

Spurs have an all-star that can be trained to play more efficiently.

Besides, there's no reason why they can't trade DeRozan for someone else!

Should not have been in position to be a begger. PATFO did not have the foresight to see Kawhi was in no way changing his mind and needed to be traded while his value was still high.

[SpursDynasty85]

:lol won't even be a first rounder. It turns into 2nd round picks after this year.....

If Kawhi leaves (likely) Raptors dump the rest of their good players for a rebuild. Those 2nd round picks will be in the 32-40 range. Might turn out better.

[rascal]

clips package was the best. 2 firsts and michael porter was there, while tobias isn't that much worse than derozan, especially if he can maintain his sudden 40% three point shooting

Agree
Miles Bridges and Porter was the way to go but the Spurs should have also been more assertive in making offers to teams on draft night.

[HarlemHeat37]

You would have heard had the spurs made offers to teams that were rejected.
What I did see was the spurs were just listening to offers from other teams but not actively making offers to other teams.

That's just speculation, but I agree that the Clippers trade was the way to go, looking back at things..it would have been the best combination of young talent and ability to win now..

[Mikeanaro]

PATFO got bent over and gaped hard. one of the worst trades ever if Killa' Kyrie or Ingram was on the table, and turning down two lottery picks too.


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MasaiVP showing the size of the beef stick he just broke off in PATFO :wow
The only assholes gaped here are from DG and K-Down, but at least they can use that cold to kill some pain deep inside those hemorrhoids.

[DAF86]

1019609477551706112

This was literally a salary dump of DeRozan's disgusting contract, yet MannyIsGod thinks we would be able to get rid of it next offseason. :lmao

[slick'81]

This was literally a salary dump of DeRozan's disgusting contract, yet MannyIsGod (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=76) thinks we would be able to get rid of it next offseason. :lmao

Dont forget that 2nd round pick

[ducks]

Agree
Miles Bridges and Porter was the way to go but the Spurs should have also been more assertive in making offers to teams on draft night.

jury is still out on that :nope
both will not be allstars for 3 years

[barbacoataco]

This thread is ludicrous. The Spurs got what they could get. Leonard is an unproven asset with a bad attitude and quite possibly a degenerative health issue. The Spus got an Allstar player with years left on his contract. Leonard is in his last year and doesn't want to play anywhere but LA. I'm happy he's gone.

[barbacoataco]

And the idea that a #10 draft pick is guaranteed to be better than a proven Allstar is crazy.

[slick'81]

Its a great trade if leonard is actually seriously hurt

[99 Problems]

Yes, Yes it is for L.A. :lol No Kawhi, and if he ever makes it to Los Township LeBron be like how old? :lol

:flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::flag::f lag:

[SnakeBoy]

forbes .. garbage, no D
beli .. washed up garbage, no D (but nice tan)
bertans .. overpaid
Mills .. chucker, no D, can't create
Murray .. no 3, can't distribute
Gasol .. slow AF
Cunningham .. what's the point
Poeltl .. euro/bench
White .. unknown
rook .. won't play
Rudy .. won't play enuf
LMA .. thank God
Derozan .. midranger, no D, no 3, not a winner

BLEAK!!!!!!!!

Just good enough to keep the Spurs from getting any decent picks next year.

[Blake]

If Kawhi were to fail the physical somehow. ...

[cd98]

It's great in that Kawhi demanded LA and got sent to Toronto.

[boutons_deux]

It's great in that Kawhi demanded LA and got sent to Toronto.

fucking hilarious for a SoCal guy

[barbacoataco]

It's great in that Kawhi demanded LA and got sent to Toronto.

If the Spurs Front Office were the lame-o's everyone on this board says they are they would have taken whatever the Lakers would give. Instead they got the best deal they could and put Leonard in s bad position.

[boutons_deux]

fucking hilarious for a SoCal guy

And spurs can deny ill will or meanness by saying it's standard practice to trade a top player to the other conference.

[Marcus Bryant]

KL gets to go to a country that will take another 30% of his income. Welcome to Canada KL. This is the ultimate punishment trade. It hurts the Spurs, Lakers, 76ers, Boston, and KL. Everyone gets some pain.

:tu

[hater]

And the Debbie Downer thread of the day goes to..

This shitshow :lmao

[ducks]

Agree
Miles Bridges and Porter was the way to go but the Spurs should have also been more assertive in making offers to teams on draft night.

porter has back surgery again

[therealtruth]

Oh the bright-side they won't have to face him 4 times a year except maybe the Finals. I'm joking. The Spurs are no longer sniffing Finals anymore without Kawhi.

[rascal]

porter has back surgery again

I still take him. Denver took him.
Are you too conservative to take him.

[ducks]

David Robinson career was cut short from bad back I take another player

[Fusternino]

Could've had Tobias/12/13/Green/Anderson but now we got DDR/Poeltl/Forbes/Cunningham/Metu instead.

Oops?

[marinoman]

Watch masia flip Leonard at the trade deadline for more than we got. If spurs would have waited teams would’ve seen him healthy at usa camp and would’ve offered more

[rascal]

David Robinson career was cut short from bad back I take another player

Robinson was old. Denver took him. I also take him.

[rascal]

At 6’10, Porter has the height and length of an NBA big man with the shooting stroke and handle of a guard. In short, Porter could be the next Durant.

Players like him can turn around a team on a rebuild.

[ducks]

If healthy

[therealtruth]

Its a great trade if leonard is actually seriously hurt

It's pretty much the only way the Spurs win this trade.

[rascal]

If healthy you don't get him with the 12th pick.

Expected to be healthy next season or else Denver does not draft him.

[Reck]

This was an alright trade given that the Spurs were not in a position to make any demands. This hurts good old Leonard going forward more than it does the Spurs.

The Spurs will at least content. Kawhi is going to be stuck on a sub-par team that is more miss than hit, imo.

[rascal]

This was an alright trade given that the Spurs were not in a position to make any demands. This hurts good old Leonard going forward more than it does the Spurs.

The Spurs will at least content. Kawhi is going to be stuck on a sub-par team that is more miss than hit, imo.

The Raptors will win more games than the Spurs.

[marinoman]

If healthy
He didn’t even have any surgery and has been “rehabbing” all year, he’s healthy

[CosmicCowboy]

Hopefully they play their one year rental 48 minutes/82 and blow his fucking wheels out.

[Reck]

The Raptors will win more games than the Spurs.

They should by default.

The Eastern Conference was a cakewalk with Lebron in it. Now it just got even easier.

Winning a game in the west counts for at least 2. West is just that much stacked.

[KDKSpurs24]

Hopefully they play their one year rental 48 minutes/82 and blow his fucking wheels out.
82? Kawhi? :lmao

[Quadzilla99]

Just good enough to keep the Spurs from getting any decent picks next year.
Exactly. Should have bottomed out. Traded Aldridge too

[GrapplingYautja]

Exactly. Should have bottomed out. Traded Aldridge too

You two cucks should learn from PATFO. You don't TANK or willingly sabotage your team from winning. You strap your boots up and get to work!

[DPG21920]

Watch masia flip Leonard at the trade deadline for more than we got. If spurs would have waited teams would’ve seen him healthy at usa camp and would’ve offered more

I doubt it. If people thought SA would be desperate to move Kawhi the closer to the deadline and TOR was shopping him (meaning they know he’s gone) they won’t get squat.

Hard to imagine them getting a player as quality as DeRozan + Poeltl

[Marcus Bryant]

Watch masia flip Leonard at the trade deadline for more than we got. If spurs would have waited teams would’ve seen him healthy at usa camp and would’ve offered more

Perhaps what they'll see would make them offer less?

[timvp]

Could've had Tobias/12/13

I don't understand why multiple Spurs fans today are saying they would have rather had this Clippers package. I wouldn't trade DeRozan by himself for Tobias, 12 and 13. Hell, I wouldn't trade Poeltl for 12 or 13. Poeltl isn't an exciting prospect but he looks like a sure thing to have a 10-year NBA career.

That was a trash offer by the Clippers. Spurs fans are seriously overrating late lottery picks. Half the time, picks at the end of the lottery don't even make it in the league.

[Fusternino]

I don't understand why multiple Spurs fans today are saying they would have rather had this Clippers package. I wouldn't trade DeRozan by himself for Tobias, 12 and 13. Hell, I wouldn't trade Poeltl for 12 or 13. Poeltl isn't an exciting prospect but he looks like a sure thing to have a 10-year NBA career.

That was a trash offer by the Clippers. Spurs fans are seriously overrating late lottery picks. Half the time, picks at the end of the lottery don't even make it in the league.

Uh . . . because this was a really deep draft. We had to lose Green to move Kawhi . . . what for? And with Tobias the whole question of shooting 3's/being inefficient isn't an issue. Sorry . . . honestly, I think if we had waited we could've gotten Clippers to gut their assets for us in August or so.

[Pavlov]

Uh . . . because this was a really deep draft.I was pimping the Clippers deal but I didn't see sure things beyond about 7-8.

[Spurs da champs]

I was pimping the Clippers deal but I didn't see sure things beyond about 7-8.

Spurs have made the most out of their late 1st round picks. Who's to say they couldn't have same magic with late lottery picks?

[Fusternino]

The only upside is that DDR averaged more than 5 assists last season. It's sort of a lot to ask Chip to fix both DJM's and DRR's shots in one offseason, though.

Our perimeter defense has been gutted in any case.

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't understand why multiple Spurs fans today are saying they would have rather had this Clippers package. I wouldn't trade DeRozan by himself for Tobias, 12 and 13. Hell, I wouldn't trade Poeltl for 12 or 13. Poeltl isn't an exciting prospect but he looks like a sure thing to have a 10-year NBA career.

That was a trash offer by the Clippers. Spurs fans are seriously overrating late lottery picks. Half the time, picks at the end of the lottery don't even make it in the league.

Someone other than LaMarcus has to score for this team. DeRozan has an elite offensive game and was the best talent to be offered for Leonard. The Spurs had been listening to/shopping Leonard for the past six weeks or so. I think it says plenty that this was the best offer the Spurs were able to get. Think about it, if any other 'top 5' player was on the block in a similar scenario wouldn't there at least be a little more offered, even for a 1 year rental? Toronto was willing to take the chance, but even then they are moving a player from a core which has essentially hit their ceiling in the EC, and yes, freeing themselves from a $50+MM commitment in 2019-21.

I don't think the Spurs make this move unless it's clear that trying to wait out the situation wasn't going to yield better return. Six weeks is a long time in the NBA. That this was the best return the Spurs could find is all you need to know about Leonard's standing in the league today. Also, the Spurs making the trade says a lot.

[Pavlov]

Spurs have made the most out of their late 1st round picks. Who's to say they couldn't have same magic with late lottery picks?They already got the guy they wanted to trade up for and he'll be incubating for at least a year.

I don't think anyone in this draft is going to be capable of dropping 40 on the Warriors this season tbh.

I can't say I'm happy with the trade but DD can play now.

[rascal]

They should by default.

The Eastern Conference was a cakewalk with Lebron in it. Now it just got even easier.

Winning a game in the west counts for at least 2. West is just that much stacked.

Toronto will have a better win % against the west then the Spurs will.

[rascal]

Someone other than LaMarcus has to score for this team. DeRozan has an elite offensive game and was the best talent to be offered for Leonard. The Spurs had been listening to/shopping Leonard for the past six weeks or so. I think it says plenty that this was the best offer the Spurs were able to get. Think about it, if any other 'top 5' player was on the block in a similar scenario wouldn't there at least be a little more offered, even for a 1 year rental? Toronto was willing to take the chance, but even then they are moving a player from a core which has essentially hit their ceiling in the EC, and yes, freeing themselves from a $50+MM commitment in 2019-21.

I don't think the Spurs make this move unless it's clear that trying to wait out the situation wasn't going to yield better return. Six weeks is a long time in the NBA. That this was the best return the Spurs could find is all you need to know about Leonard's standing in the league today. Also, the Spurs making the trade says a lot.

You are a Spurs front office homer, always have been. I have never seen you say any critical of the front office. You must be employed by them. So your opinion is the Spurs made the best deal possible lol. Any deal that the spurs would have made to you would have been the best deal possible. lol That is the way a Front office homer thinks.

[johnnymoore]

Spurs had better options but were hampered by the dual agendas of 1) refusing to seriously negotiate with the Lakers and 2) avoid an immediate rebuild.

According to Woj, Lakers offered Ingram & #1 before they signed anyone, which would've given SA immediate cap space, a former #2 pick and an unprotected first round pick. With this DeRozan deal, the Spurs will be stuck in what Jerry West calls "the morass of the middle" where they are too good to get a premiere player in the draft, yet not good enough to win at a high level.

[rascal]

I don't understand why multiple Spurs fans today are saying they would have rather had this Clippers package. I wouldn't trade DeRozan by himself for Tobias, 12 and 13. Hell, I wouldn't trade Poeltl for 12 or 13. Poeltl isn't an exciting prospect but he looks like a sure thing to have a 10-year NBA career.

That was a trash offer by the Clippers. Spurs fans are seriously overrating late lottery picks. Half the time, picks at the end of the lottery don't even make it in the league.

You are crazy. Porter had super star upside and the spurs could have drafted him with the 12th pick and Miles Bridges can also be a solid starter spurs could have had him with 13. Tobias Harris is better than Poeltl who will never be good enough to be a starter. Had the Spurs made the Clipper trade you would have said it is a great trade for the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

Ingram + a first vs DeRozan/Poeltl/Pick? I would take TOR offer. SA can have close to 30M in cap space with a couple moves and have DeRozan/LMA to build around.

[Fusternino]

Would rather have given Tobias a 4/100 contract extension than take on DDR's 3/80 contract, tbh.

[Killakobe81]

I don't understand why multiple Spurs fans today are saying they would have rather had this Clippers package. I wouldn't trade DeRozan by himself for Tobias, 12 and 13. Hell, I wouldn't trade Poeltl for 12 or 13. Poeltl isn't an exciting prospect but he looks like a sure thing to have a 10-year NBA career.

That was a trash offer by the Clippers. Spurs fans are seriously overrating late lottery picks. Half the time, picks at the end of the lottery don't even make it in the league.

Agreed. I said the exact same thing on draft day...

[SpursBills]

the spurs believe that young players develop better with more graduated responsibility. They think that having older vets teach younger guys good habits is important for development. How important that actually is, I don't know; but that's always been a core philosophy. So it makes sense that they are refusing to tank now. Personally, I disagree and think they should bottom out and trade vets for picks. But the spurs have been successful in developing players, from Parker to Kawhi to Dejounte. The front office is banking on their ability to teach players, which is probably why they drafted Lonnie walker this year who's a guy who's high character and has good tools but really has no idea how to play basketball. Same with Dejounte.

For that reason, I don't think the spurs will ever tank if they can help it; it goes against their front office philosophy for better or for worse

[Marcus Bryant]

You are a Spurs front office homer, always have been. I have never seen you say any critical of the front office. You must be employed by them. So your opinion is the Spurs made the best deal possible lol. Any deal that the spurs would have made to you would have been the best deal possible. lol That is the way a Front office homer thinks.

Reality is a "front office homer". Figure it out.

[Pavlov]

Would rather have given Tobias a 4/100 contract extension than take on DDR's 3/80 contract, tbh.I believe you would.

[rascal]

Agreed. I said the exact same thing on draft day...

In most drafts but this draft was deeper than most. The 12 and 13 picks were solid picks that will make NBA teams.

[DMC]

You guys have built a contender with a a core of DeRozen, LMA and Gasol....a contender in 2007

We won the ring in 2007. Remember, it took the bench in SA to get your superstar past the 1st round.

[DMC]

You are a Spurs front office homer, always have been. I have never seen you say any critical of the front office. You must be employed by them. So your opinion is the Spurs made the best deal possible lol. Any deal that the spurs would have made to you would have been the best deal possible. lol That is the way a Front office homer thinks.

It's an offensive league. You have to score to beat the top 4 teams. Defending is great, but you'll be buried by 30 points quickly when you rest your best defenders against the elite offensive squads.

[99 Problems]

Most of this feigning misery is irrelevant as he was not being dealt West, simple as that.

[Spurs da champs]

They already got the guy they wanted to trade up for and he'll be incubating for at least a year.

I don't think anyone in this draft is going to be capable of dropping 40 on the Warriors this season tbh.

I can't say I'm happy with the trade but DD can play now.

Not getting OG or at least Siakam is the real killer. Spurs could have addressed problem at the 3 with one of those Clipper picks & a stopgap in Tobias Harris to be safe. Either way Spurs are competitive & get assets.

[Fusternino]

Was it really worth sending him East if it lowered the return we got? Only upside is if he continues to throw a tantrum . . . entertainment.

[NickiRasgo]

Can anyone explain specifically what does protected first round pick will do? Is this correct?

"The 2019 first-round pick the Raps included in the deal is top-20 protected — if it falls between 1-20 then it becomes two future second-rounders."



I thought it's the other way around - if it falls between 1-20, the pick will be ours.

[rascal]

Reality is a "front office homer". Figure it out.

You just march along with whatever the Spurs front office does and call it the best they could have done.
Homer all the way/ No surprise you have always been. Reality is you are a homer. Reality is ,the Spurs were undecided if they wanted to trade Kawhi (they were not actively putting out offers just listening to offers that came to them) and that indecisiveness cost them in their return. Leonard should have been traded during the season last year and at most the latest on draft night. The Spurs waited too long to decide to make a trade.

[Fusternino]

Can anyone explain specifically what does protected first round pick will do? Is this correct?

"The 2019 first-round pick the Raps included in the deal is top-20 protected — if it falls between 1-20 then it becomes two future second-rounders."



I thought it's the other way around - if it falls between 1-20, the pick will be ours.

It's ours if it's between 21-30.

[rascal]

Can anyone explain specifically what does protected first round pick will do? Is this correct?

"The 2019 first-round pick the Raps included in the deal is top-20 protected — if it falls between 1-20 then it becomes two future second-rounders."



I thought it's the other way around - if it falls between 1-20, the pick will be ours.

No it won't be the Spurs if it falls 1-20

[Marcus Bryant]

You just march along with whatever the Spurs front office does and call it the best they could have done.
Homer all the way/ No surprise you have always been. Reality is you are a homer. Reality is ,the Spurs were undecided if they wanted to trade Kawhi (they were not actively putting out offers just listening to offers that came to them) and that indecisiveness cost them in their return. Leonard should have been traded during the season last year and at most the latest on draft night. The Spurs waited too long to decide to make a trade.

For the greatness that is Tobias Harris? Better a "homer" than stupid.

[Spurs da champs]

For the greatness that is Tobias Harris? Better a "homer" than stupid.

For the greatness that is DeMar DeRozan?:lmao

[rascal]

the spurs believe that young players develop better with more graduated responsibility. They think that having older vets teach younger guys good habits is important for development. How important that actually is, I don't know; but that's always been a core philosophy. So it makes sense that they are refusing to tank now. Personally, I disagree and think they should bottom out and trade vets for picks. But the spurs have been successful in developing players, from Parker to Kawhi to Dejounte. The front office is banking on their ability to teach players, which is probably why they drafted Lonnie walker this year who's a guy who's high character and has good tools but really has no idea how to play basketball. Same with Dejounte.

For that reason, I don't think the spurs will ever tank if they can help it; it goes against their front office philosophy for better or for worse

They tanked when they got Duncan.

[rascal]

For the greatness that is Tobias Harris? Better a "homer" than stupid.

You are forgetting 12 and 13.
Always been the Front Office Homer of the site.

[ducks]

Those three do not guarantee you player that finished 8 in mvp candidate

[Spurs da champs]

While Kawhi going to Toronto is funny, picking Craptors trade over Clipper's was a mistake, both long & short term imo.

[Kori Ellis]

You are forgetting 12 and 13.
Always been the Front Office Homer of the site.

I think you two have been arguing online for 15+ years, right?

[ducks]

You can still flip him for 3 picks later

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Uncle Dennis fucked the Spurs organization when he demanded LA or nothing. Uncle Dennis fucked the Spurs organization when he said Kawhi would sit out in most trade situations rather than play. Uncle Dennis fucked the Spurs organization when he had his nephew pretend to be hurt rather than help the team paying him $21,000,000.00 make a run in the playoffs.

I was convinced the Spurs were getting nothing for Kawhi, which would have been fine, too. Pop ships Kawhi off about as far away from Los Angeles as he could get him...out of the country to be exact. I'd say it's a big FU to Uncle Dennis, and I couldn't be more pleased.

[HankChinaski]

I am reminded of Terrence an Phillips singing uncle fucker thinking about the Nephew an the new home he resides in now

[Fusternino]

And people got mad at me for Harris/Harrell S&T/2021 + 2023 unprotected first round picks. Or even Harris/Harrell S&T/Jerome Robison.

LOL.

[Seventyniner]

Uncle Dennis fucked the Spurs organization when he demanded LA or nothing. Uncle Dennis fucked the Spurs organization when he said Kawhi would sit out in most trade situations rather than play. Uncle Dennis fucked the Spurs organization when he had his nephew pretend to be hurt rather than help the team paying him $21,000,000.00 make a run in the playoffs.

I was convinced the Spurs were getting nothing for Kawhi, which would have been fine, too. Pop ships Kawhi off about as far away from Los Angeles as he could get him...out of the country to be exact. I'd say it's a big FU to Uncle Dennis, and I couldn't be more pleased.

Yes. This trade was the best combination of talent, youth, a pick, and the Eff You equity of sending Uncle Dennis to freeze his ass off in Toronto.

[timvp]

You are crazy. Porter had super star upside and the spurs could have drafted him with the 12th pick and Miles Bridges can also be a solid starter spurs could have had him with 13. Porter may never play basketball again. Poeltl is more of a sure thing than Bridges at this point.



Had the Spurs made the Clipper trade you would have said it is a great trade for the Spurs.I've said multiple times the trade offers from LAL, LAC and PHI were trash dating back to before the draft.

[ducks]

But he says bridges will be all star in 5 years:rolleyes

[objective]

Raptors had what, pick 29 already?

Pick 29 or 30 in a bad draft next year ... Just a joke.

[NickiRasgo]

It's ours if it's between 21-30.


No it won't be the Spurs if it falls 1-20

Thanks. That sucks then, I thought if it falls between 1-20 it will be ours. Ugh.

[ndbutch]

Nice forum. I usually just lurk. Some were driven into a frenzy by media reports gleaned from leaks the various teams were putting out. Nobody was stupid enough to bite and the Spurs got the best deal possible. Better than the Raptors is my guess. But time will tell.

There was lots of bovine waste reported as fact. Spun by the various parties. I think that if the 76'ers actually believed they could sign Leonard they would have given up Fultz in a nanosecond. But why use up that head fake on a 1 year rental? He has a better chance of being the next Kwame Brown than an elite player IMO. Again. Time will tell.

Karl Kuzma was untouchable over Brandon Ingram? Nice try Magic. I think the so-called "Godfather Deal" was Kuzma, Hart and Randle.

The same Kawhi who, through his mouthpieces, supposedly complained about the Spurs desirability to major FA's suddenly was intimidated by the thought of being overshadowed by LeBron? Nice try Kawhi's team. He's going to the Lakers in 2019.

The Spurs never had leverage. Leonard took that away by declaring that it was LA or bust. LeBron ground what was left of it to dust by signing a multi-year deal with the Lakers.

Kawhi didn't set any precedence. It was unorthodox. Unprofessional. But it isn't any different than what Abdul-Jabbar did before FA even existed. And what Rick Barry did when he didn't want to play in Virginia for the Squires. Or Kobe telling all other NBA teams he'd go to college if it was anybody but the Lakers. So the Hornets drafted him in exchange for Divac. Players have more money and more power now. And the CBA that was supposed to curtail the Lakers, Celtics and now Golden State can't stop it. In fact the perception of how the Raptors did DD is going to accelerate it.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

People forget the Spurs traded someone who pretty much hasn't played in over a year plus a declining 3pt shooter and defender for a prime all start player and a development big plus 1 or 2 draft picks that will materialize in less than a year.

Beginning with the fact that they played with one less player last year this sounds like a good deal and probably the only one available if you want to win now.

None of the other teams wanted to play ball but Toronto (for their own reasons including offloading their best player) did.

I'd admit for a moment there I thought the Spurs weren't going to get anything out of this. Possibly not even able to trade away this year and lose all value in less than 12 months.

Most people in this site don't have a clue about basketball or how the world works.

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[Clipper Nation]

For the greatness that is Tobias Harris? Better a "homer" than stupid.
At least Tobias can make threes. DeMar is an antiquated one-dimensional chucker straight out of the '90s with a terrible contract. There's a reason why Toronto was eager to trade him.

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At least Tobias can make threes. DeMar is an antiquated one-dimensional chucker straight out of the '90s with a terrible contract.

Lol. He's about $18MM less than Kawhi's supermax amount and he's signed for the next three years...

Plus he's a loyal, Spursian type player.

And while he's not the same top end talent Kawhi is, he's certainly not $18MM worse by any means. Plus he doesn't come with Uncle and Impact Sports and Cris Carter baggage.

I like this trade more and more by the second. Especially since we got a late 1st round pick, and our center of the future (a former #9 pick out of it).

It's a fucking win. All day long. And twice on Sundays.

[rascal]

Porter may never play basketball again. Poeltl is more of a sure thing than Bridges at this point.


I've said multiple times the trade offers from LAL, LAC and PHI were trash dating back to before the draft.

But had the spurs made the trade with the Clippers then you would be on board that it would have been a good trade. You always convince yourself that whatever the spurs do is the right decision. That is what a homer does. No, Miles Bridges is way better than Poeltl. This years draft was way deeper with talent. And Porter is expected back next year. Don't be a scared wimp by not drafting him. Porter will be a franchise changing player and better than anyone else that you could get at 13 had you had both the 12th and 13th picks. Don't be so conservative and the conservative fearful move is to not draft Porter.

[dbestpro]

But had the spurs made the trade with the Clippers then you would be on board that it would have been a good trade. You always convince yourself that whatever the spurs do is the right decision. That is what a homer does. No, Miles Bridges is way better than Poeltl. This years draft was way deeper with talent. And Porter is expected back next year. Don't be a scared wimp by not drafting him. Porter will be a franchise changing player and better than anyone else that you could get at 13 had you had both the 12th and 13th picks. Don't be so conservative and the conservative fearful move is to not draft Porter.

Draft year after draft year, people project rookies as sometime future superstars that end up as role players or having careers in Europe. The Spurs play to win now, as every team should. Those teams that play for the future are always playing for the future.

[Clipper Nation]

Lol. He's about $18MM less than Kawhi's supermax amount and he's signed for the next three years...
And still not worth the money he's making.

[Marcus Bryant]

I think you two have been arguing online for 15+ years, right?

There's been so many, I forget.

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And still not worth the money he's making.

23ppg addition. I'll take it.

You know who is going to benefit this year? LMA and the 3 pt shooters. There will also be lots of backcutting layups as defenders help off Kawhi and DD. Efficiency should improve nicely. That's worth his 2nd team all-NBA salary every day. And twice on Sundays.

[Horse]

Protected pick doesn’t matter cause Toronto won’t pick between 1-20 anyway.

[Marcus Bryant]

Uncle Dennis fucked the Spurs organization when he demanded LA or nothing. Uncle Dennis fucked the Spurs organization when he said Kawhi would sit out in most trade situations rather than play. Uncle Dennis fucked the Spurs organization when he had his nephew pretend to be hurt rather than help the team paying him $21,000,000.00 make a run in the playoffs.

I was convinced the Spurs were getting nothing for Kawhi, which would have been fine, too. Pop ships Kawhi off about as far away from Los Angeles as he could get him...out of the country to be exact. I'd say it's a big FU to Uncle Dennis, and I couldn't be more pleased.


:tu The best of a bad situation.

[Marcus Bryant]

23ppg addition. I'll take it.

You know who is going to benefit this year? LMA and the 3 pt shooters. There will also be lots of backcutting layups as defenders help off Kawhi and DD. Efficiency should improve nicely. That's worth his 2nd team all-NBA salary every day. And twice on Sundays.

One wonders what Chip might have in mind for DeRozan's shot.

[Spurs da champs]

One wonders what Chip might have in mind for DeRozan's shot.
Agreed. Let's see what he can do with a 28 year old, 28% career three point shooters shot.

[KDKSpurs24]

The only upside is that DDR averaged more than 5 assists last season. It's sort of a lot to ask Chip to fix both DJM's and DRR's shots in one offseason, though.

Our perimeter defense has been gutted in any case.
I know this is a very late reply to this but I just woke up and saw it.. How is it a lot to ask? All he has to do is analyze the shot and tell him how to correct it and then give them a shooting plan to work on their own. It’s not like he has to be next to them individually all day. A shooting coach’s job is to help out the whole team at once if he has to..
And it’s obvious that Murray is already on his shooting plan based on this videos. His form is already different and a lot better (he actually puts both hands on the ball now).

[Fusternino]

I know this is a very late reply to this but I just woke up and saw it.. How is it a lot to ask? All he has to do is analyze the shot and tell him how to correct it and then give them a shooting plan to work on their own. It’s not like he has to be next to them individually all day. A shooting coach’s job is to help out the whole team at once if he has to..
And it’s obvious that Murray is already on his shooting plan based on this videos. His form is already different and a lot better (he actually puts both hands on the ball now).

Fixing a shot is tough. Years of muscle memory being altered. It's like changing a golf swing. Not always successful.

[KDKSpurs24]

Fixing a shot is tough. Years of muscle memory being altered. It's like changing a golf swing. Not always successful.
Yeah I know but it just seemed like you were saying it wasn’t possible to even attempt to fix both shots. As for being successful yes it’s a long shot but doable if the players work hard enough at it. I really think Murray will be shooting better this upcoming season.

[SpursBills]

Derozan shot 36% from 3 for the first half of the season and then just fell off a cliff; don't know if it was injuries or what, but if he can actually maintain that percentage through the entire year this year, we might have something on our hands

[DAF86]

One wonders what Chip might have in mind for DeRozan's shot.

I doubt much. DeRozan stroke looks pretty sweet. It's just a matter of range with him. Maybe more legs? But I doubt there's much to do there.

[r0drig0lac]

And the idea that a #10 draft pick is guaranteed to be better than a proven Allstar is crazy.

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