Roster

[Marcus Bryant]

As it stands currently. Looks like we'll see a move or two to clear up the guard situation. Maybe the plan is to use a three guard lineup to fill in for the lack of a real backup 3. Unless something changes Paul and Cunningham will be battling it out for the 15th spot.

Starters
1 Murray
2 DeRozan
3 Gay
4 Aldridge
5 Gasol

Bench
1 White
1/2 Mills
2 Belinelli
2 Forbes
2 Ginobili
4 Bertans
5 Pöltl

IR/Austin/Etc
2 Walker
2 Paul
3/4 Cunningham
5 Metu

[coachmac87]

As it stands currently. Looks like we'll see a move or two to clear up the guard situation. Maybe the plan is to use a three guard lineup to fill in for the lack of a real backup 3. Unless something changes Paul and Cunningham will be battling it out for the 15th spot.

Starters
1 Murray
2 DeRozan
3 Gay
4 Aldridge
5 Gasol

Bench
1 White
1/2 Mills
2 Belinelli
2 Forbes
2 Ginobili
4 Bertans
5 Pöltl

IR/Austin/Etc
2 Walker
2 Paul
3/4 Cunningham
5 Metu

I absolutely hate Murray/Derozan starting together..neither are dependable shooters...DeRozan is most effective in PNR and not sure how Murray can play off the ball. But oh well fuck it

[Thunder1]

A good start for a new era...

[offset formation]

Bertans can be 3/4 too.

[YoungbuckMurray]

I absolutely hate Murray/Derozan starting together..neither are dependable shooters...DeRozan is most effective in PNR and not sure how Murray can play off the ball. But oh well fuck it

Murray and DErozan will start together. Need to get a legit 3 and D and have Bertans at the 4 with LA at the 5

[timvp]

As the roster is constructed, one has to imagine DeRozan, Belinelli and Ginobili will have to spend time at SF if no additional move is made. The Spurs have eight players who's best position could end up being SG: DeRozan, Ginobili, Belinelli, Forbes, Mills, White, Walker and Paul. Nine if you think Murray doesn't handle the ball well enough to be a full-time point guard.

Unfortunately, it feels like return to the era between about 2008 and 2012 when the Spurs desperately needed a long, defensive-minded, three-point shooting small forward to balance the roster.

[coachmac87]

Murray
Derozan
Belli
Gay
LMA


Wouldn’t say it’s a “starting” lineup but I kinda do like to see that on the court at times

[vy65]

The hole at SF is more gaping than Bonnie Rotten’s asshole ... defend the Kawhi trade all you want, but it’s pure futility if they don’t make some other (drastic) moves

[John B]

If Murray can develop a dependable outside shot, he can be a 3 and D. He’s the best perimeter guard Spurs have. White starts at PG, DeRozan SG.

[Marcus Bryant]

Would definitely like to see Ginobili come back next season, Spurs are going to need him to provide some glue and continuity, also a little playmaking with the youth at the 1.

I get keeping Forbes around for his shooting, but in theory that's what Mills, Gay, Bertans, and Belinelli will provide.

Oh, and fuck 'Klaw' and the Gang.

[raybies]

I absolutely hate Murray/Derozan starting together..neither are dependable shooters...DeRozan is most effective in PNR and not sure how Murray can play off the ball. But oh well fuck it
Murray playing off the ball is not a problem. He already showed he can do that with his offensive rebounding and cutting. They figured that out with him playing near the basket. It all comes down to if Murray can reliably hit the 3. It's vital as a matter of fact. DeRozan is in the forseeable future so his future here depends on if he can space. He's gonna lose a ton of minutes if he can't and could find himself in another situation. It's time to see if that J is ready. He's been developing it since he got here. Time to see some rewards of his effort. If he can hit it tho, he'll be an All Star soon enough. He avg 11 ppg when he got his starting spot after the break. Couple threes more spacing and he could avg between 15-17 ez this year.

[raybies]

Would definitely like to see Ginobili come back next season, Spurs are going to need him to provide some glue and continuity, also a little playmaking with the youth at the 1.

I get keeping Forbes around for his shooting, but in theory that's what Mills, Gay, Bertans, and Belinelli will provide.

Oh, and fuck 'Klaw' and the Gang.
Never undersell a player Pop believes in lol Bonner made a career here. Pop loves him some Forbes.He could be here for a long time.

[TD 21]

The hole at SF is more gaping than Bonnie Rotten’s asshole ... defend the Kawhi trade all you want, but it’s pure futility if they don’t make some other (drastic) moves

I'd be surprised if another roster move is coming.

If Ginobili retires, they should try packaging his contract with Gasol's and Paul's for Harkless and Leonard. Harkless griped about his role and was briefly in the doghouse last season and the Trail Blazers are in tough spot financially and could use the '19-'20 savings.

It would tie up the Spurs flexibility for '19-'20, but unless they think they can do better than Harkless, that would be irrelevant.

[Dex]

I absolutely hate Murray/Derozan starting together..neither are dependable shooters...DeRozan is most effective in PNR and not sure how Murray can play off the ball. But oh well fuck it

Ain't no way around it, tbh. Derozan will be starting at the 2, and can play a small 3.

I sure as hell don't want Mills starting, and the Spurs seem committed to starting Murray which actually helps for defensive purposes.

White could be a candidate at SG but...as much improvement as he has shown, I'm still not convinced he is a starter.

[Marcus Bryant]

4/7ths of the bench in Mills, Belinelli, Forbes, and Bertans are basically 3 pt specialists.

A lot rests on Murray and White at the 1. Quality play there addresses one large question mark.

Overall, the development of Murray, White, Walker, Metu, Bertans, and Pöltl is key. A few of those guys being able to hold down rotation spots will dictate the success of this team.

Also, just looking at this, after a couple of drinks, another move needs to be made. Gasol's trade value is going to increase the closer we get to the 2019-20 year when his contract is 30% guaranteed.

[coachmac87]

Ain't no way around it, tbh. Derozan will be starting at the 2, and can play a small 3.

I sure as hell don't want Mills starting, and the Spurs seem committed to starting Murray which actually helps for defensive purposes.

White could be a candidate at SG but...as much improvement as he has shown, I'm still not convinced he is a starter.


Yup. Really no way around it....which really sucks they didn’t get OG.

[MaNu4Tres]

Ain't no way around it, tbh. Derozan will be starting at the 2, and can play a small 3.

I sure as hell don't want Mills starting, and the Spurs seem committed to starting Murray which actually helps for defensive purposes.

White could be a candidate at SG but...as much improvement as he has shown, I'm still not convinced he is a starter.

As is, DeRozan starts at the 3. .
Hes 6'7" 220 lbs.

Im convinced he'll see most of his minutes there.

White or Marco will start at the 2. Imo.

Im amazed at how many fans here are sleeping on Derrick White.

Gay & Bertans will see most of their minutes at the 4 imo.

Pop talked about developing Poeltl further -- which means he'll be behind Pau at back up 5 even though I think Purtle is better imo.

Lol at Pau starting at 38 yrs old.

Pop went away from that the 2nd half of the season with good reason.

[CGD]

As the roster is constructed, one has to imagine DeRozan, Belinelli and Ginobili will have to spend time at SF if no additional move is made. The Spurs have eight players who's best position could end up being SG: DeRozan, Ginobili, Belinelli, Forbes, Mills, White, Walker and Paul. Nine if you think Murray doesn't handle the ball well enough to be a full-time point guard.

Unfortunately, it feels like return to the era between about 2008 and 2012 when the Spurs desperately needed a long, defensive-minded, three-point shooting small forward to balance the roster.

Good take on it feeling like 2008-2012. We’re small again. Not just KL but Danny too.

[spurraider21]

As the roster is constructed, one has to imagine DeRozan, Belinelli and Ginobili will have to spend time at SF if no additional move is made. The Spurs have eight players who's best position could end up being SG: DeRozan, Ginobili, Belinelli, Forbes, Mills, White, Walker and Paul. Nine if you think Murray doesn't handle the ball well enough to be a full-time point guard.

Unfortunately, it feels like return to the era between about 2008 and 2012 when the Spurs desperately needed a long, defensive-minded, three-point shooting small forward to balance the roster.
lets just get another kawhi next draft then

[TD 21]

As is, DeRozan starts at the 3. .
Hes 6'7" 220 lbs.

Im convinced he'll see most of his minutes there.

White or Marco will start at the 2. Imo.

Im amazed at how many fans here are sleeping on Derrick White.

Gay & Bertans will see most of their minutes at the 4 imo.

Pop talked about developing Poeltl further -- which means he'll be behind Pau at back up 5 imo.

Lol at Pau starting at 38 yrs old.

Pop went away from that the 2nd half of the season with good reason.


By default, DeRozan will play most of his minutes at SF, but I'd be surprised if Pop burdens him with defending the best opposing wing from the jump.

White's playmaking will be needed off the bench, especially if Ginobili retires.

If they go small along the perimeter to start, Mills probably continues to start.

Unfortunately, Gasol has to start in order to make room in the rotation for Poeltl, who can't start because it would further cramp the spacing. Let's hope Gasol's being replaced with a 3 and D wing doesn't take a year.

[ace3g]

As the roster is constructed, one has to imagine DeRozan, Belinelli and Ginobili will have to spend time at SF if no additional move is made. The Spurs have eight players who's best position could end up being SG: DeRozan, Ginobili, Belinelli, Forbes, Mills, White, Walker and Paul. Nine if you think Murray doesn't handle the ball well enough to be a full-time point guard.

Unfortunately, it feels like return to the era between about 2008 and 2012 when the Spurs desperately needed a long, defensive-minded, three-point shooting small forward to balance the roster.

Spurs Centerpiece?

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1013/fantasy_g_bogans_200.jpg

Or maybe Udoka can suit up again...

Spurs were in need of SF depth even when they had Kawhi and didn't do it.

[SAGirl]

I am not sure how it shakes out frankly. I don't think Pop knows for sure either. He may have an idea but not be sure.

I kind of expect Cunningham to play some. At the very least he will get chances to play until he hangs himself kind of like it happened to Joff. Hopefully he's not that bad though.

[coachmac87]

By default, DeRozan will play most of his minutes at SF, but I'd be surprised if Pop burdens him with defending the best opposing wing from the jump.

White's playmaking will be needed off the bench, especially if Ginobili retires.

If they go small along the perimeter to start, Mills probably continues to start.

Unfortunately, Gasol has to start in order to make room in the rotation for Poeltl, who can't start because it would further cramp the spacing. Let's hope Gasol's being replaced with a 3 and D wing doesn't take a year.


Why move Gasol and not Mills? There’s a log jam of Combo guards and literally only 2-3 centers if you’re including LMA?

Oh wait “Cunningham is starting at SF”

[james evans]

On no team in the world should Aldridge, Gay, and Gasol be on the court together

[SAGirl]

I absolutely hate Murray/Derozan starting together..neither are dependable shooters...DeRozan is most effective in PNR and not sure how Murray can play off the ball. But oh well fuck it
Same way he played with Kyle. They park Dijon under the basket. He's feasts on cuts and offensive boards. Derozan requires more attention than Kyle ever did so they will be better I hope. In the playoffs though,everyone gets exposed.

Hopefully Dijon isn't teasing with all the jumpshots he's posting in Instagram.

[MaNu4Tres]

My opinion on what the lineup should be as is:

1. Murray 6'5"
2. White 6'5"...6'10" with the hair
3. DeRozan 6"7"
4. Bertans 6'10"
5.Aldridge 7'0"

Bench:

1. Patty
2. Marco
3. Manu/ Lonnie
4. Gay/ Cunningham
5. Pau/ Poeltl

If Manu retires:

1. Patty
2. Marco/ Lonnie
3. Gay
4. Cunningham
5. Pau/ Poeltl

Close:

Murray White DeRozan Gay LMA

[MaNu4Tres]

By default, DeRozan will play most of his minutes at SF, but I'd be surprised if Pop burdens him with defending the best opposing wing from the jump.

White's playmaking will be needed off the bench, especially if Ginobili retires.

If they go small along the perimeter to start, Mills probably continues to start.

Unfortunately, Gasol has to start in order to make room in the rotation for Poeltl, who can't start because it would further cramp the spacing. Let's hope Gasol's being replaced with a 3 and D wing doesn't take a year.

Stagger White where he starts but plays equal minutes w Bench.

Theres no way the Spurs prioritize getting Poeltl minutes over White by starting Pau.

White will be unleashed mark my words.

[coachmac87]

My opinion on what the lineup should be as is:

1. Murray
2. White
3. DeRozan
4. Bertans
5.Aldridge

Bench:

1. Patty
2. Marco
3. Manu/ Lonnie
4. Gay/ Cunningham
5. Pau/ Poeltl

If Manu retires:

1. Patty
2. Marco/ Lonnie
3. Gay
4. Cunningham
5. Pau/ Poeltl

Close:

Murray White DeRozan Gay LMA

White is for sure going to be legit...i agree regarding him being in rotation or even starting. Just don’t know if it’ll happen as soon as it should

[SAGirl]

Murray playing off the ball is not a problem. He already showed he can do that with his offensive rebounding and cutting. They figured that out with him playing near the basket. It all comes down to if Murray can reliably hit the 3. It's vital as a matter of fact. DeRozan is in the forseeable future so his future here depends on if he can space. He's gonna lose a ton of minutes if he can't and could find himself in another situation. It's time to see if that J is ready. He's been developing it since he got here. Time to see some rewards of his effort. If he can hit it tho, he'll be an All Star soon enough. He avg 11 ppg when he got his starting spot after the break. Couple threes more spacing and he could avg between 15-17 ez this year.
Agree with all observations. It's time he really shows his development. A PG who can't shoot and is limited to scoring off cuts and offensive boards kinda unnatural. He needs to develop offensively. White and Forbes or even Mills are still around for when that confidence shooting is lacking.

[dbreiden83080]

Hoping Murray really develops this season.

[marinoman]

Didn’t david Aldridge say the spurs were gonna trade for another allstar if kawhi committed but shit went haywire. What was that trade, is it still available? Lma, derozan and some allstar, go for it

[coachmac87]

Same way he played with Kyle. They park Dijon under the basket. He's feasts on cuts and offensive boards. Derozan requires more attention than Kyle ever did so they will be better I hope. In the playoffs though,everyone gets exposed.

Hopefully Dijon isn't teasing with all the jumpshots he's posting in Instagram.


Right but you also have Green lurking around the 3pt line. They don’t have that anymore....they need a well respected and actual consistent/ confident shooter next to Murray/DeRozan.

I like White but don’t know if PATFO think he’s gonna be ready immediately out the gate

[dbreiden83080]

I expect DeRozan to have a great season. He is mad about the trade, will come to the Spurs with something to prove.

[John B]

Between Murray, White and DeRozan. White is the best facilitator and can shoot over PNR = PG. Murray is the best at guarding perimeter, can rebound, but needs to show consistent 3pt range and attacking the rim when closed-out, needs to bulkup = 3 and D. DeRozan can run havoc at SG. Imo White/DeRozan/Murray/Gay/LMA

[MaNu4Tres]

I expect DeRozan to have a great season. He is mad about the trade, will come to the Spurs with something to prove.

If Chip can turn Dick into a 44% 3 point shooter at 30 yrs old, Im optimistic about DeRozan improving.

Work ethic isn't his problem.

[SAGirl]

Good take on it feeling like 2008-2012. We’re small again. Not just KL but Danny too.
And you have the young red Mamba too. :lobt2:

[SAGirl]

On no team in the world should Aldridge, Gay, and Gasol be on the court together
:lol
Except on Pop's team!
:lobt2:

[SAGirl]

Right but you also have Green lurking around the 3pt line. They don’t have that anymore....they need a well respected and actual consistent/ confident shooter next to Murray/DeRozan.

I like White but don’t know if PATFO think he’s gonna be ready immediately out the gate

I like White. I want him to surprise me and make it. I have liked him in the few opportunities he got last year he was solid. Don't know if he'll be starting. Pop may start a veteran just bc but when shig hits the fan hopefully White is ready to answer that call when he's number is up. He may not start right away but earn the spot through the season.

Looking forward to what Davis can do too and perhaps less, but not completely discarding Cunningham.

Frankly I don't know. I am not sure Gay starts either but he might.

[spurs10]

As it stands currently. Looks like we'll see a move or two to clear up the guard situation. Maybe the plan is to use a three guard lineup to fill in for the lack of a real backup 3. Unless something changes Paul and Cunningham will be battling it out for the 15th spot.

Starters
1 Murray
2 DeRozan
3 Gay
4 Aldridge
5 Gasol

Bench
1 White
1/2 Mills
2 Belinelli
2 Forbes
2 Ginobili
4 Bertans
5 Pöltl

IR/Austin/Etc
2 Walker
2 Paul
3/4 Cunningham
5 Metu This looks about right. I saw timvp suggest Beli over Gay to start because he is a better 3 pt shooter and that will be imperative with DeRozan and LMA being jump shooters. Murray isn't exactly a knock down 3 pt shooter, but I bet he's working on it.

I also like the idea of Bertans playing the 4 and moving LMA to the 5, with Gay or Beli at the 3.

[sasaint]

I like White. I want him to surprise me and make it. I have liked him in the few opportunities he got last year he was solid. Don't know if he'll be starting. Pop may start a veteran just bc but when shig hits the fan hopefully White is ready to answer that call when he's number is up. He may not start right away but earn the spot through the season.

Looking forward to what Davis can do too and perhaps less, but not completely discarding Cunningham.

Frankly I don't know. I am not sure Gay starts either but he might.

As long as Pop runs the show White will play in Dijon's shadow. He will be moved in a season or two and hopefully get a legit shot with his new team.

Pop's pets are Dijon, Patty and (for now) Bryn. It will be interesting to see how Derozan fits into Pop's new pecking order.

It will also be interesting to see who gets "promoted" in the HEB ads. And it will be most interesting to me to see who the team promotes as the face, leader, spokesman. Patty is my guess (assuming Manu doesn't return). I admit, however, I do not know what DeMar's proclivities are.

[DPG21920]

I know there was not much SA can do, but even after the trade man this is a poorly constructed roster. It’s not just a talent thing, it’s fit and balance and many other things.

I really hope SA doesn’t just try to figure it out but makes logical moves even if they have to pay for it.

[barbacoataco]

DeRozan is the best player on the team now, so he is going to be on the court. I think the need for a SF is overrated. Spurs will have decent size overall.

The big question marks for me are-
1. Will White have a big role, and will he play well?
2. Will Murray get better?
3. Will the defense suffer from losing Green?

I think overall the Spurs will be better on the offensive side, and worse on defense. They added DeRozan and Belinelli, and Gay will be healthier.

Another thought- isn't Bertans a SF candidate? Or at least a guy with some size and mobility.

i like this team and I'm excited.

[Ron Swanson]

Didn’t david Aldridge say the spurs were gonna trade for another allstar if kawhi committed but shit went haywire. What was that trade, is it still available? Lma, derozan and some allstar, go for it

It was reported to be Kemba Walker, and Kawhi said no.

[KDKSpurs24]

DeRozan is the best player on the team now, so he is going to be on the court. I think the need for a SF is overrated. Spurs will have decent size overall.

The big question marks for me are-
1. Will White have a big role, and will he play well?
2. Will Murray get better?
3. Will the defense suffer from losing Green?

I think overall the Spurs will be better on the offensive side, and worse on defense. They added DeRozan and Belinelli, and Gay will be healthier.

Another thought- isn't Bertans a SF candidate? Or at least a guy with some size and mobility.

i like this team and I'm excited.
I don’t think the need for a SF is overrated at all. Who’s gonna guard the Lebrons, KDs, PGs and so forth? I’m really hoping for a move to acquire a 3&D SF. Prince, Covington, Middleton.. someone.

[mo7888]

Carroll is probably available and in a 1 year deal. I also think Otto Porter might become available, though I'd prefer Beal even though he's not a 3.

Bazemore is available as well.

[marinoman]

It was reported to be Kemba Walker, and Kawhi said no.
Was it indeed kemba, thought it assumed but unknown. Obviously kawhi didn’t commit but unless green was necessary in that trade I would like to know if it still can be done. But if it’s kemba then the trade would most likely involve Murray and or white, so screw it

[ace3g]

I don’t think the need for a SF is overrated at all. Who’s gonna guard the Lebrons, KDs, PGs and so forth? I’m really hoping for a move to acquire a 3&D SF. Prince, Covington, Middleton.. someone.

Some people just don't understand the importance of SF in today's NBA. IMO is the key position to winning the championship. Doesn't matter how great your PG, SG, and PF/C are because they are either too short (PG/SG) or too slow (PF/C) to guard elite SF on the perimeter. On the defensive end elite SF can guard pretty much 1-4 when the game goes inevitably small in the 4th quarter.

[DPG21920]

Losing Danny hurt bad for trades. We saw teams value him and it was a great no risk contract too.

[CGD]

Carroll is probably available and in a 1 year deal. I also think Otto Porter might become available, though I'd prefer Beal even though he's not a 3.

Bazemore is available as well.

Beal would be amazing, but I do t think we have the juice for it to happen. I actually had hoped WAS would do a DeRozen type trade around him but alas. Don’t know enough about Potter but he seems way overpaid for too many years.

Carroll is interesting, but since he’s an expiring Brooklyn would probably want an asset to take on Pau’s money. Maybe a future second does it?

[KDKSpurs24]

Some people just don't understand the importance of SF in today's NBA. IMO is the key position to winning the championship. Doesn't matter how great your PG, SG, and PF/C are because they are either too short (PG/SG) or too slow (PF/C) to guard elite SF on the perimeter. On the defensive end elite SF can guard pretty much 1-4 when the game goes inevitably small in the 4th quarter.
Exactly! I really hope they are looking to acquire one because they should learn from their mistakes of lacking at the SF position 2008-2011 before trading for Kawhi that year. It’s such a huge need right now.

[mo7888]

Beal would be amazing, but I do t think we have the juice for it to happen. I actually had hoped WAS would do a DeRozen type trade around him but alas. Don’t know enough about Potter but he seems way overpaid for too many years.

Carroll is interesting, but since he’s an expiring Brooklyn would probably want an asset to take on Pau’s money. Maybe a future second does it?

I think you're right on the Carroll price tag. On beal/porter, I don't think either are available now but I do think one will be closer to the deadline. If they are significantly behind the top teams in the east I don't think the or owner will want to stay over the cap. I could see something like pau+a 2nd to Sacramento for space and mills + a 1st to Washington and either Beal or porter to the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

I would absolutely do Pau + TOR pick for Carroll + 2nd round pick

[CGD]

I’m interested to see what happens with Middleton. Not sure we have the parts to get it done, but he is opting out for a bigger payday next season. If bucks get a sense he wants out, they might want to act sooner rather than later before they have their own “one year rental” diminishing trade value situation.

[CGD]

I would absolutely do Pau + TOR pick for Carroll + 2nd round pick

That seems about right to me.

[paperboy77]

Derozen is a pretty badass shooter from inside the arc. I really don't see a way around it though. I do think derozen should slide to the 3 and let either white or walker run the 2. Why not? between 2nd team all nba defender and white at the 2 it should work.

Murray (he's kinda like Green was... has to be a starter because off the bench you don't really need steady other than Manu, you need energy)
White (have to use him like Portland uses McCullum and let him play.)
Derozen
LA
Metu (hoping for this guy. or else Pau. Metu has shown to have good basketball instincts and really good hands. fuck it pop give him a shot let him prove you otherwise)


Manu
White
Mi.... wow our roster is pretty fucked up. Whatever!

[HarlemHeat37]

I remember how happy Raptors fans were to break up Gay and DeRozan:lol now we're here trying to convince ourselves that it's a workable duo..

[SAGirl]

Some people just don't understand the importance of SF in today's NBA. IMO is the key position to winning the championship. Doesn't matter how great your PG, SG, and PF/C are because they are either too short (PG/SG) or too slow (PF/C) to guard elite SF on the perimeter. On the defensive end elite SF can guard pretty much 1-4 when the game goes inevitably small in the 4th quarter.
Instead of loading up on them Spurs lost all if their starters and backup SF in one fell swoop. It's why guys like objective have been upset J.Simms was let go. Depth wing that we lost on a very small deal, Kyle the same, Kawhi and Danny in the same day. Everyone starter or backup that had credibly plays the spot the past couple if seasons at least is gone.

[DPG21920]

I remember how happy Raptors fans were to break up Gay and DeRozan:lol now we're here trying to convince ourselves that it's a workable duo..

Not that Gay! Nooooo

[rj215]

Didn’t david Aldridge say the spurs were gonna trade for another allstar if kawhi committed but shit went haywire. What was that trade, is it still available? Lma, derozan and some allstar, go for it

Could we package the Raptors pick, our 2019 pick and Pau or Patty to get someone decent?

[TheGreatYacht]

Starters:
Poeltl
Aldridge
DeRozan
Belinelli
Murray

Bench:
Gasol
Bertans
Gay
Mills
White

Garbage crew:
Metu
Cunningham
BP3/other
Walker
Forbes

IMO... Only way the defense doesn't take a drop tbh 3/5 starters are good-to-great defenders

[DJR210]

Hoping Murray really develops this season.

It's put up or shutup this season for Murray.. Spurs need to see more than pictures of training and inspirirational quotes on his twitter.. All defense team and Parker shipping out is a solid building block.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

As the roster is constructed, one has to imagine DeRozan, Belinelli and Ginobili will have to spend time at SF if no additional move is made. The Spurs have eight players who's best position could end up being SG: DeRozan, Ginobili, Belinelli, Forbes, Mills, White, Walker and Paul. Nine if you think Murray doesn't handle the ball well enough to be a full-time point guard.

Unfortunately, it feels like return to the era between about 2008 and 2012 when the Spurs desperately needed a long, defensive-minded, three-point shooting small forward to balance the roster.

I remember all the threads about the need for “long 3” from those seasons. I guess I’ll have to dust them off. Those were some frustrating playoffs.

[heyheymymy]

Murray/Mills/White
DeRozan/Ginobili/Forbes
Gay/Belinelli
Aldridge/Bertans/Cunningham
Gasol/Poetl

[ElNono]

When you look at this roster, it's a big upgrade from last season, tbh...

Kawhi didn't play much at all, so DeRozan is just a great upgrade. We have a much better team/off-the-ball player and shooter in Beli replacing the Green/Kyle combo.

Murray, Bertans and Forbes will have another year under their belts, which is part of the progression.

White looked good, even though it's early to overrate him. Poetl is intriguing when Pau start showing some menopause. Cunningham is probably the guy that doesn't move the needle, but if Manu doesn't come back, he's another vet to mentor the kids.

I know the biggest 'issue' will be defense, but in all honesty, last season's team was already pretty horrible in that aspect (once you start playing Mills, Pau, Forbes, you're automatically giving up a hole in your D), and this roster makes a lot more sense to win by outscoring opponents. There's younger legs, players that know how to move without the ball and can make you pay for it, another guy that can create his own shot so the onus isn't all on LMA...

In this league with the current rules, it has become so difficult to stop the 3 point ball or dominant scorers like KD, you almost gotta keep up with them scoring-wise.

I'm a guy that always has been defense-first, but in all honesty, I don't think I can even list 2 guys that can consistently stop guys like KD or Harden from scoring at will. There's no more grabbing, pushing, getting into the player's head. Even an attempt at reaching gets whistled like crazy these days.

[YGWHI]

If Chip can turn Dick into a 44% 3 point shooter at 30 yrs old, Im optimistic about DeRozan improving.

Work ethic isn't his problem.

I don't think he needs too much help, just a bit more self confidence.

DeMar has shown he can shoot 3's last season.

"In his past eight games, he has shot 25 for 38 from behind the arc (65.8 percent) with back-to-back games of at least five made three-pointers, installing him as the first player to make at least half of his three-point field-goal attempts (http://www.espn.com/blog/elias-says/post/_/id/1850/elias-says-jan-4-2018) and all of his free-throw attempts with at least eight attempts in each category in consecutive games since the NBA instituted the three-point shot in 1979-80."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2018/01/04/demar-derozans-game-now-includes-a-three-point-shot-and-thats-great-for-the-raptors/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1365eaf36a33


Just needs to do this a whole season.

[r0drig0lac]

Some people just don't understand the importance of SF in today's NBA. IMO is the key position to winning the championship. Doesn't matter how great your PG, SG, and PF/C are because they are either too short (PG/SG) or too slow (PF/C) to guard elite SF on the perimeter. On the defensive end elite SF can guard pretty much 1-4 when the game goes inevitably small in the 4th quarter.

you are correct, and that is why a team with Lebron, Kawhi and PG13 would be IMPOSSIBLE to be defeated in this league

[LkrFan]

As it stands currently. Looks like we'll see a move or two to clear up the guard situation. Maybe the plan is to use a three guard lineup to fill in for the lack of a real backup 3. Unless something changes Paul and Cunningham will be battling it out for the 15th spot.

Starters
1 Murray
2 DeRozan
3 Gay
4 Aldridge
5 Gasol

Bench
1 White
1/2 Mills
2 Belinelli
2 Forbes
2 Ginobili
4 Bertans
5 Pöltl

IR/Austin/Etc
2 Walker
2 Paul
3/4 Cunningham
5 Metu

40 year old Manure is still your best SG :lol

[lebomb]

White is a better shooter than Murray

[YGWHI]

you are correct, and that is why a team with Lebron, Kawhi and PG13 would be IMPOSSIBLE to be defeated in this league
This shows how stupid is Magic, the Lakers could have the three guys this offseason.

Buuuut they did enough to make PG13 feel disrespected/didn't want to give one or two of their talented young assests for Kawhi...What a stupid franchise.

[DPG21920]

This shows how stupid is Magic, the Lakers could have the three guys this offseason.

Buuuut they did enough to make PG13 feel disrespected/didn't want to give one or two of their talented young assests for Kawhi...What a stupid franchise.

Serioulsy dumb franchise. There is such immense pressure on Ingram to be a star now. If he does not make a huge jump to an all-star, they may end up never making a finals with Lebron because they didn’t take a bird in the hand (2 superstars in Kawhi / PG).

[MoSpur02]

Darrell Arthur should be available soon. Would be a solid pickup

[Lebowski Brickowski]

I remember all the threads about the need for “long 3” from those seasons. I guess I’ll have to dust them off. Those were some frustrating playoffs.

Kawhi was really the golden goose "Derrick McKey" type that Pop had been looking for since around 2006.

[Dex]

Murray/Mills/White
DeRozan/Ginobili/Forbes
Gay/Belinelli
Aldridge/Bertans/Cunningham
Gasol/Poetl

If Murray has really improved his shooting to serviceable levels, this would be my preference.

If not, may have to swap Gay and Beli to give the first unit some shooting/spacing and give the bench unit a scoring punch.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

When you look at this roster, it's a big upgrade from last season, tbh...

Kawhi didn't play much at all, so DeRozan is just a great upgrade. We have a much better team/off-the-ball player and shooter in Beli replacing the Green/Kyle combo.

Murray, Bertans and Forbes will have another year under their belts, which is part of the progression.

White looked good, even though it's early to overrate him. Poetl is intriguing when Pau start showing some menopause. Cunningham is probably the guy that doesn't move the needle, but if Manu doesn't come back, he's another vet to mentor the kids.

I know the biggest 'issue' will be defense, but in all honesty, last season's team was already pretty horrible in that aspect (once you start playing Mills, Pau, Forbes, you're automatically giving up a hole in your D), and this roster makes a lot more sense to win by outscoring opponents. There's younger legs, players that know how to move without the ball and can make you pay for it, another guy that can create his own shot so the onus isn't all on LMA...

In this league with the current rules, it has become so difficult to stop the 3 point ball or dominant scorers like KD, you almost gotta keep up with them scoring-wise.

I'm a guy that always has been defense-first, but in all honesty, I don't think I can even list 2 guys that can consistently stop guys like KD or Harden from scoring at will. There's no more grabbing, pushing, getting into the player's head. Even an attempt at reaching gets whistled like crazy these days.

They'll score the ball better for sure, I think, but the loss on defense is bigger than you say. Danny Green was the defensive cornerstone, teamwise and individually. His absence is going to be felt in team sets and in transition equally. Kyle led the team in Def win shares and DBPM. The defense is going to be ugly on the wings. Spurs will have to address that. Cunningham might end up being everyone's most hated player who plays way too much if PATFO actually has to use him as the solution.

[DPG21920]

There are a few wings available if SA is willing to trade Pau or Mills (likely Pau due to contract being more favorable) and a pick. I personally value 3/D type wing vs someone who plays no defense but also is truly a one year deal:

Wilson Chandler
Demarre Caroll

Both guys fit the mold and I think both could be had if SA is willing to move Pau + a pick. It would give SA a starting 3 or a damn good backup 3, help win more this year and clear an extra 6M off the books next off season by moving Pau.

BKY is stockpiling picks, SA has them and I really hope they are on the horn with BKY about Carroll

[Killakobe81]

Serioulsy dumb franchise. There is such immense pressure on Ingram to be a star now. If he does not make a huge jump to an all-star, they may end up never making a finals with Lebron because they didn’t take a bird in the hand (2 superstars in Kawhi / PG).

Uggh. Stop bringing up PG. He is vastly overrated.
I'll buy this argument for Kawhi ...if he proves healthy.
Otherwise all Ingram has to do is take another step.
He went from 8pts to 16 pts between years one and two.
I dont expect the trend to continue to 24 pts but remember he is only 20 years old. Even with Lebron getting the lion's share of touches. I think Ingram averages at least 20-21 ...

IF he does that and we feel that he is not the star best suited to support Lebron you can still flip him for a star. HE will still only be 21 and a 20 point scorer making a rookie salary.
But I think he will be even better than that and glad he was not sacrificed for PG.

KL has to show me he is healthy. IF he is I would consider dealing Ingram at deadline but the best case is to wait for FA. It's a gamble, sure but a smart one if you believe in Ingram which I do.

Look I get where you stand on this but tough to say any franchise is dumb when you just gave up a top 3 player for for an older Top 15 at best player who makes more money than KL.

Magic has exeeded every expectation as Team PResident so far. Everyone thought he would fail on this board even some Laker fans.

[buujness]

For the opening day lineup, I suspect Pop will start with a more familiar alignment:

Murray/Mills
DeRozan/White
Gay/Manu or Belinelli
Aldridge/Bertans
Gasol/Poeltl

And integrate the young guys more as the season progresses (I think that Walker will get more minutes sooner rather than later)

Murray/Mills
White/Walker
DeRozan/Manu or Belinelli
Gay/Bertans
Aldridge/Poeltl

Or, mad scientist Pop does mad scientist things. Like an all '90s were the best; get off my lawn; mid-range and offensive rebounding lineup:

Murray
DeRozan
Gay
Aldridge
Poeltl

I'd laugh, at least.

[DPG21920]

Uggh. Stop bringing up PG. He is vastly overrated.
I'll buy this argument for Kawhi ...if he proves healthy.
Otherwise all Ingram has to do is take another step.
He went from 8pts to 16 pts between years one and two.
I dont expect the trend to continue to 24 pts but remember he is only 20 years old. Even with Lebron getting the lion's share of touches. I think Ingram averages at least 20-21 ...

IF he does that and we feel that he is not the star best suited to support Lebron you can still flip him for a star. HE will still only be 21 and a 20 point scorer making a rookie salary.
But I think he will be even better than that and glad he was not sacrificed for PG.

KL has to show me he is healthy. IF he is I would consider dealing Ingram at deadline but the best case is to wait for FA. It's a gamble, sure but a smart one if you believe in Ingram which I do.

Look I get where you stand on this but tough to say any franchise is dumb when you just gave up a top 3 player for for an older Top 15 at best player who makes more money than KL.

It’s not like SA had a happy Kawhi and did something dumb. It’s not apples-to-apples.

Like it or not, PG is better and will be better than Ingram or Kuz ever will be. Its not just about points. Plenty of guys can score points but I’m talking about legit impact.

Kawhi is a true superstar. PG is a star. But they are both worlds better than what La has now or could get and Ingram if he hits his ceiling might be as good as PG.

[J_Paco]

As is, DeRozan starts at the 3. .
Hes 6'7" 220 lbs.

Im convinced he'll see most of his minutes there.

White or Marco will start at the 2. Imo.

Im amazed at how many fans here are sleeping on Derrick White.

Gay & Bertans will see most of their minutes at the 4 imo.

Pop talked about developing Poeltl further -- which means he'll be behind Pau at back up 5 even though I think Purtle is better imo.

Lol at Pau starting at 38 yrs old.

Pop went away from that the 2nd half of the season with good reason.

Demar isn't a true 6'7", though. He was measured at 6'6.25" during the draft combine in 2009 (source: http://www.nbadraft.net/2009-nba-draft-combine-player-measurements).

Much like the Spurs fudged Timmy's true height (6'11" w/o shoes & 7' with shoes) and Oklahoma City/Golden State have with Kevin Durant (he's 6'11" or 7' but "officially" listed at only 6'9") the Raptors exaggerated Derozan's height.

The Spurs have just one player that can effectively play the 3 with a logjam at guard even with Green gone and Manu (possibly) retired. Pop/RC are blind if they don't see the huge need for someone, anyone else at the SF position.

[KDKSpurs24]

Demar isn't a true 6'7", though. He was measured at 6'6.25" during the draft combine in 2009 (source: http://www.nbadraft.net/2009-nba-draft-combine-player-measurements).

Much like the Spurs fudged Timmy's true height (6'11" w/o shoes & 7' with shoes) and Oklahoma City/Golden State have with Kevin Durant (he's 6'11" or 7' but "officially" listed at only 6'9") the Raptors exaggerated Derozan's height.

The Spurs have just one player that can effectively play the 3 with a logjam at guard even with Green gone and Manu (possibly) retired. Pop/RC are blind if they don't see the huge need for someone, anyone else at the SF position.
Exaggerations are possibly but why are you acting like those guys weren’t 18 years old at their draft combine and didn’t have a chance to grow a bit more after that?

[J_Paco]

Exaggerations are possibly but why are you acting like those guys weren’t 18 years old at their draft combine and didn’t have a chance to grow a bit more after that?

Highly unlikely, but possible. He still isn't a true SF and is better suited playing the SG (where he can use his strength & athleticism advantage more).

Also, he doesn't have a ton of length (only 6'9" wingspan) which is needed against the Kawhi's, Durant's & Giannis' of the NBA.

[Dex]

Demar isn't a true 6'7", though. He was measured at 6'6.25" during the draft combine in 2009 (source: http://www.nbadraft.net/2009-nba-draft-combine-player-measurements).

Much like the Spurs fudged Timmy's true height (6'11" w/o shoes & 7' with shoes) and Oklahoma City/Golden State have with Kevin Durant (he's 6'11" or 7' but "officially" listed at only 6'9") the Raptors exaggerated Derozan's height.

The Spurs have just one player that can effectively play the 3 with a logjam at guard even with Green gone and Manu (possibly) retired. Pop/RC are blind if they don't see the huge need for someone, anyone else at the SF position.

I'm sure they realize it, but they pretty much got caught behind the eight ball on that one. As little as two months ago, we thought we had a superstar SF that would eat up 30-35 minutes at that spot for the foreseeable future, and even more in the playoffs.

They had to get whatever they could in return for Kawhi and, unfortunately, the best asset was another guard. After that, there really isn't a whole lot of money to work with...although they probably could've given Forbes money to someone else.

[Killakobe81]

It’s not like SA had a happy Kawhi and did something dumb. It’s not apples-to-apples.

Like it or not, PG is better and will be better than Ingram or Kuz ever will be. Its not just about points. Plenty of guys can score points but I’m talking about legit impact.

Kawhi is a true superstar. PG is a star. But they are both worlds better than what La has now or could get and Ingram if he hits his ceiling might be as good as PG.

PG is a star. Who flamed out in the payoffs. Had a horrific injury and has never been the same.
BEfore injuries struck Cousins etc. He was NOT making the all-star team last year.
HE probably never makes another all NBA team again.
yes he is better than a 20 year old Ingram. What a BIG freaking accomplishment for a dude 8 years older making a $100 plus million more, I would hope he would.

Kawhi is a true superstar ... when healthy ...when not dicking around your franchise. Abso-freaking-lutely. I wouls trade Ingram for KAwhi if he is healthy. But to say it's dumb not to take a chance you can have both is knee-jerk. Lakers team with Lebron/Kawhi and Lonzo/Rondo is not beating state. A team with Lebron/KAwhi/Ingram/Rondo/Lonzo has a much better shot. It's gamble but a smart one. What happened with PG doesnt "scare me" because PG was never worth the max anyways.

Deeps is doing what many accuse the Lakers of living in the past.
PG used to have great impact now he gets torched by donovan Mitchell and disappears in elimination games. he is still a good (not great) defender and can hit some 3's but Im so glad he chose to stay in OKC and even more glad we never gave up Ingram for him.

[SpursDynasty85]

Belli is a wash with Anderson. Offensively Anderson just did not fit well with our lack of shooting, especially this year, but his defense will be missed even though he was so slow footed. DeRozan will be a great upgrade over obviously the "nothing" we got from Kawhi. Murray plus Whote upgrade. A full year of healthy Gay. Poeltl upgrade over Lauvergne. All this should provide a boost into 50+ wins easily. Will be an interesting training camp for sure.

[sananspursfan21]

I hope Lonnie can skip some of the rookie treatment. I think he can contribute decently now

[TimDunkem]

I hope Lonnie can skip some of the rookie treatment. I think he can contribute decently now

Same. It won't happen, but he could certainly provide useful minutes as the end of the bench guy in his first season. You can always use slashers/shot creaters.

Too bad Poop is stubborn. Lonnie would have to show flashes of superstar potential to get off the bench this year.

[DPG21920]

Also, I get that Manu is a legend and it’s gut wrenching for him to decide, but SA has moves to make as well and decisions to make based on his.

I wonder if they have a good understanding of how he is leaning or if they truly don’t know. The way they are joking around and how Manu seemingly crammed in a lifetime of vacations this off season makes me believe he is coming back.

[Mugen]

Demarre Caroll for Pau + and some picks makes a lot of sense tbh. Too much sense that I doubt RC has even thought about it :lol

[beirmeistr]

When you look at this roster, it's a big upgrade from last season, tbh...

Kawhi didn't play much at all, so DeRozan is just a great upgrade. We have a much better team/off-the-ball player and shooter in Beli replacing the Green/Kyle combo.

Murray, Bertans and Forbes will have another year under their belts, which is part of the progression.

White looked good, even though it's early to overrate him. Poetl is intriguing when Pau start showing some menopause. Cunningham is probably the guy that doesn't move the needle, but if Manu doesn't come back, he's another vet to mentor the kids.

I know the biggest 'issue' will be defense, but in all honesty, last season's team was already pretty horrible in that aspect (once you start playing Mills, Pau, Forbes, you're automatically giving up a hole in your D), and this roster makes a lot more sense to win by outscoring opponents. There's younger legs, players that know how to move without the ball and can make you pay for it, another guy that can create his own shot so the onus isn't all on LMA...

In this league with the current rules, it has become so difficult to stop the 3 point ball or dominant scorers like KD, you almost gotta keep up with them scoring-wise.

I'm a guy that always has been defense-first, but in all honesty, I don't think I can even list 2 guys that can consistently stop guys like KD or Harden from scoring at will. There's no more grabbing, pushing, getting into the player's head. Even an attempt at reaching gets whistled like crazy these days.

solid post

[DPG21920]

Demarre Caroll for Pau + and some picks makes a lot of sense tbh. Too much sense that I doubt RC has even thought about it :lol

I texted RC

[YoungbuckMurray]

Caroll for Pau + pick would be a great deal actually. Relieves cap space for next summer in the case Butler or Harris reach FA.

[BackHome]

PG is a star. Who flamed out in the payoffs. Had a horrific injury and has never been the same.
BEfore injuries struck Cousins etc. He was NOT making the all-star team last year.
HE probably never makes another all NBA team again.
yes he is better than a 20 year old Ingram. What a BIG freaking accomplishment for a dude 8 years older making a $100 plus million more, I would hope he would.

healthy ...when not dicking around your franchise. Abso-freaking-lutely. I wouls trade Ingram for KAwhi if he is healthy. But to say it's dumb not to take a chance you can have both is knee-jerk. Lakers team with Lebron/Kawhi and Lonzo/Rondo is not beating state. A team with Lebron/KAwhi/Ingram/Rondo/Lonzo has a much better shot. It's gamble but a smart one. What happened with PG doesnt "scare me" because PG was never worth the max anyways.

Deeps is doing what many accuse the Lakers of living in the past.
PG used to have great impact now he gets torched by donovan Mitchell and disappears in elimination games. he is still a good (not great) defender and can hit some 3's but Im so glad he chose to stay in OKC and even more glad we never gave up Ingram for him.

STILL THE UGLY STEP SISTER IN LA LA LAND......:)..

[r0drig0lac]

I texted RC

so done deal

[Killakobe81]

STILL THE UGLY STEP SISTER IN LA LA LAND......:)..

what? Nah bruh. We run L.A. even Jerry west admits that by saying signing Lebron for us was "easy".

[dbestpro]

Bertans has always played SF and DeRozan has always played SG. So why does everyone want them to play out of position? Bertans to SF go get a third big and move on into the season.

[Em-City]

Unfortunately, it feels like return to the era between about 2008 and 2012 when the Spurs desperately needed a long, defensive-minded, three-point shooting small forward to balance the roster.



Ughhh. That was a painful time. I shudder at the thought of guys like bogans, rj and the like in a spurs uniform

[DAF86]

Didn’t david Aldridge say the spurs were gonna trade for another allstar if kawhi committed but shit went haywire. What was that trade, is it still available? Lma, derozan and some allstar, go for it

It probably would have took Green to make it happen.

[DAF86]

Bertans has always played SF and DeRozan has always played SG. So why does everyone want them to play out of position? Bertans to SF go get a third big and move on into the season.

I don't think I have ever seen Bertans play SF since he got to SA, tbh.

[DAF86]

Ughhh. That was a painful time. I shudder at the thought of guys like bogans, rj and the like in a spurs uniform

Some were so desperate that even hyped Udoka. :lol

[SpursDynasty85]

Bertans has always played SF and DeRozan has always played SG. So why does everyone want them to play out of position? Bertans to SF go get a third big and move on into the season.

Wrong. DeRozan finished most games at sf the past 2 seasons. Cory Joseph and fred van fleet was playing with Lowry in the back court in crunch time and a good portion of important games.

[ceperez]

The NBA game has devolved to either a 3 point shot or a dunk (layup).

Dunkers - Gay, Walker, DeRozan, Murray, Poetl, Cunningham, Aldridge ( + from last season )

3 Point Shooters - Mills, Forbes, Belinelli, Bertans, White, Gasol ( + from last season )

Players that can't Dunk - Mills, Forbes, Belinelli ( - From last season )

Players that can't Shoot the 3 - Murray, DeRozan, Poetl, Cunningham (even from last season )

Players that can get separation on offense - Gay, Walker, Murray, DeRozan, Aldridge ( + from last season)

Players with length and speed to protect the rim - Aldridge, Poetl, Gay ( + from last season)

Players with length and speed to protect the wings - Walker, Murray, Gay ( - from last season)

Players that are serious defensive liabilities - Mills, Forbes, Gasol, Bertans, Belinelli ( - from last season)

Conclusion: This is a better team than last year. It could be much better if rookies surprisingly step up (i.e. White, Walker).

In general, Spurs teams usually play much better than on paper. So I expect at least a 50+ win season.

[DMC]

Shouldn't it be eRozan until he shows he can play D?

[DPG21920]

Shouldn't it be eRozan until he shows he can play D?

Sounds like an Eastern European dating site.

[DAF86]

The lineup that makes more sense to me is:

Murray, White, DeRozan, Bertans and Aldridge.

Murray the PG, DeRozan and Aldridge the guys that will have the ball on their hands, and White and Bertans the spot up threats.

And why White and not Bellinelli or Mills? Because I believe White is the best defender of the three.

Murray, Bellinelli/Mills and DeRozan, would be a horrible perimeter defense. 2/3 of the players being below average on that end. White will have the legs, hunger and he also seems to have the IQ to be very good on D. That would make 2/3 of the players being above average on defense.

So yeah, taking both sides of the court in consideration, this to me looks like our best potential lineup.

[Gordy58]

Murray, White, DeRozan, Rudy, and LMA, plenty of scoring, and everyone is switchable I’m sure DeRozan will be much better defensively, at least with just keeping up with his man.

[DMC]

Sounds like an Eastern European dating site.

Or a Mexican player...

"Hay Manu y Rozan"

[mo7888]

The lineup that makes more sense to me is:

Murray, White, DeRozan, Bertans and Aldridge.

Murray the PG, DeRozan and Aldridge the guys that will have the ball on their hands, and White and Bertans the spot up threats.

And why White and not Bellinelli or Mills? Because I believe White is the best defender of the three.

Murray, Bellinelli/Mills and DeRozan, would be a horrible perimeter defense. 2/3 of the players being below average on that end. White will have the legs, hunger and he also seems to have the IQ to be very good on D. That would make 2/3 of the players being above average on defense.

So yeah, taking both sides of the court in consideration, this to me looks like our best potential lineup.

I like that line-up as well. How far it can go will be determined by how much Murray has developed a catch and shoot game from 3 this summer. If he hasn't then we have some problems there but, will still be at least average. If he has then we have a chance to really exceed expectations.

[kobyz]

Demar isn't a true 6'7", though. He was measured at 6'6.25" during the draft combine in 2009 (source: http://www.nbadraft.net/2009-nba-draft-combine-player-measurements).

Much like the Spurs fudged Timmy's true height (6'11" w/o shoes & 7' with shoes) and Oklahoma City/Golden State have with Kevin Durant (he's 6'11" or 7' but "officially" listed at only 6'9") the Raptors exaggerated Derozan's height.

The Spurs have just one player that can effectively play the 3 with a logjam at guard even with Green gone and Manu (possibly) retired. Pop/RC are blind if they don't see the huge need for someone, anyone else at the SF position.
DeMar got taller at least an inch since the combine, is now close to 6'8" by NBA standard

[Em-City]

Some were so desperate that even hyped Udoka. :lol

Don't forget the fizzling careers of Malik Hairston and James Anderson.

What ever happened to deshawn Thomas by the way?

[sasaint]

Don't forget the fizzling careers of Malik Hairston and James Anderson.

What ever happened to deshawn Thomas by the way?

Deshaun has been playing in Europe. He actually played well for Maccabi Tel Aviv last season. Still a tweener, not NBA-caliber player.

[heyheymymy]

Sounds like an Eastern European dating site.

eRozan has all the Riga babes

[ElNono]

They'll score the ball better for sure, I think, but the loss on defense is bigger than you say. Danny Green was the defensive cornerstone, teamwise and individually. His absence is going to be felt in team sets and in transition equally. Kyle led the team in Def win shares and DBPM. The defense is going to be ugly on the wings. Spurs will have to address that. Cunningham might end up being everyone's most hated player who plays way too much if PATFO actually has to use him as the solution.

Sorry, but Danny's D has fallen in the last couple of seasons and 'average' is probably about where one would place it, and Fathead was below average to put it kindly (unless we're calling reaching 'defense'). Plus, the fact that offensively they were both poor just put more pressure on a defense we simply didn't have.

Sure, guys like Kawhi set the bar really high when it comes to perimeter D, and guys like Mills really low, but overall, we just couldn't stop the people we needed to stop, and couldn't score on the other end either to keep up.

[ElNono]

Also, I get that Manu is a legend and it’s gut wrenching for him to decide, but SA has moves to make as well and decisions to make based on his.

I wonder if they have a good understanding of how he is leaning or if they truly don’t know. The way they are joking around and how Manu seemingly crammed in a lifetime of vacations this off season makes me believe he is coming back.

Pop said he talked to Manu 2 weeks ago, so they're definitely in touch.

[spurschamps99030507]

we need kyrie irving next year

[ElNono]

Ughhh. That was a painful time. I shudder at the thought of guys like bogans, rj and the like in a spurs uniform

What was extremely painful was that Matt Bonner was getting regular minutes, tbh

[SAGirl]

1019743371617865732

[spurs10]

Murray/Mills/White
DeRozan/Ginobili/Forbes
Gay/Belinelli
Aldridge/Bertans/Cunningham
Gasol/Poetl Yep!


If Murray has really improved his shooting to serviceable levels, this would be my preference.

If not, may have to swap Gay and Beli to give the first unit some shooting/spacing and give the bench unit a scoring punch.
Yep!

[BillMc]

eRozan has all the Riga babes

downloading the app now.

[dbestpro]

I don't think I have ever seen Bertans play SF since he got to SA, tbh.

Pop played him out of position. His entire Euro career was at SF.

[DAF86]

Pop played him out of position. His entire Euro career was at SF.

I don't think Bertans' lateral movement allows him to play SF on the NBA, where the athletes are quicker, the game is faster, and there's bigger space to cover on D.

[Marcus Bryant]

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I think we'll see one more trade, they need a defensive 3.

[SAGirl]

I think we'll see one more trade, they need a defensive 3.
Me too. I hope it happens. Have to go all in at this point IMO. This doesn't mean get another all star of whatever but rather make the roster more balanced.

[Marcus Bryant]

Gaol's contract is useful for a team looking to shed salary after next season.

[SpursDynasty85]

Gaol's contract is useful for a team looking to shed salary after next season.

Idk what the details were but Spurs definitely got the severe short end of the stick with Pau. He is owed at least 6 million the year after I hear. He is already useless 75% of the time.

[Marcus Bryant]

Idk what the details were but Spurs definitely got the severe short end of the stick with Pau. He is owed at least 6 million the year after I hear. He is already useless 75% of the time.

Right, the guaranteed portion of his 2019-20 salary is $6 mil, the full amount is $16 mil. So in a hypothetical trade a team could drop $10 mil in salary by waiving him for that season, as well as whatever amount beyond that year. That would allow the Spurs to take back $16 mil in player salary if they wanted.

[SpursDynasty85]

Right, the guaranteed portion of his 2019-20 salary is $6 mil, the full amount is $16 mil. So in a hypothetical trade a team could drop $10 mil in salary by waiving him for that season, as well as whatever amount beyond that year. That would allow the Spurs to take back $16 mil in player salary if they wanted.

But I dont think it's much of a good expiring contract. The amount of teams willing to rebuild and unload good players the Spurs would want are already thin but to have to pay Gasol $6M more just to waive him the year after should detract a lot of teams. Any hypothetical trades you can think of? Maybe Ryan Anderson ? I actually think Pop could use him fairly effectively.

[Marcus Bryant]

But I dont think it's much of a good expiring contract. The amount of teams willing to rebuild and unload good players the Spurs would want are already thin but to have to pay Gasol $6M more just to waive him the year after should detract a lot of teams. Any hypothetical trades you can think of? Maybe Ryan Anderson ? I actually think Pop could use him fairly effectively.

If a team's looking to clear salary and that $10 mil they could drop by waiving Gasol is the difference between being above the tax apron or whatever or below it, it has real value. That is the question, what teams out there have a bad contract and a defensive perimeter player?

[kaji157]

Gasol Is a very tradeable contest this season. A clear candidate to go at the deadline.

[Immortal Spur]

Mbah a Moute would've been perfect. did he sign already? i forget

[Arcadian]

In today's NBA, you don't even need a true SF. Lots of teams run with three guards on the floor, a stretch 4, and a traditional big. Basically, all positions have "moved up a slot." What used to be a 2 is now a 3, what used to be a 3 is now a 4, etc. Lebron James is a PF in today's NBA, for example.

Starters: Murray/Belinelli/Derozan/Gay/Aldridge

Backups: Mills/Walker/Ginobili/Bertans/Gasol

At least that's what I'll run in 2K19 :lol

[TD 21]

In today's NBA, you don't even need a true SF. Lots of teams run with three guards on the floor, a stretch 4, and a traditional big. Basically, all positions have "moved up a slot." What used to be a 2 is now a 3, what used to be a 3 is now a 4, etc. Lebron James is a PF in today's NBA, for example.

Starters: Murray/Belinelli/Derozan/Gay/Aldridge

Backups: Mills/Walker/Ginobili/Bertans/Gasol

At least that's what I'll run in 2K19 :lol

:lmao Outside of superstars and stars, big SF's/combo forwards, who are at least competent at 3 and D, are the most coveted assets in the league. Most teams are trying to load up with as many as possible, so they can play 3 at a time for significant stretches.

Their value lies in being able to offer enough of what bigs and guards generally excel at, without the inherent limitations they generally possess.

It's only the archaic types, like the Spurs, who don't seem to place a premium on them.

This is the worst kind of roster construction in the modern NBA: Antiquated stars, small guards, slow bigs and severely limited lineup flexibility/versatility. They're basically what the Raptors were, only in a deeper conference. What's worse, they gave the Raptors the antithesis of this and did so without making them feel any pain (Anunoby, Mills in place of Green, looser protection on pick).

[sasaint]

I think we'll see one more trade, they need a defensive 3.

I doubt it. Too much roster turnover already to suit Pop. I would be very happy to be wrong, though.

[sasaint]

:lmao Outside of superstars and stars, big SF's/combo forwards, who are at least competent at 3 and D, are the most coveted assets in the league. Most teams are trying to load up with as many as possible, so they can play 3 at a time for significant stretches.

Their value lies in being able to offer enough of what bigs and guards generally excel at, without the inherent limitations they generally possess.

It's only the archaic types, like the Spurs, who don't seem to place a premium on them.

This is the worst kind of roster construction in the modern NBA: Antiquated stars, small guards, slow bigs and severely limited lineup flexibility/versatility. They're basically what the Raptors were, only in a deeper conference. What's worse, they gave the Raptors the antithesis of this and did so without making them feel any pain (Anunoby, Mills in place of Green, looser protection on pick).

Yep. Only Memphis is diving deeper than the Spurs, doubling down on a slow-footed tweener like Kyle.

[r0drig0lac]

:lmao Outside of superstars and stars, big SF's/combo forwards, who are at least competent at 3 and D, are the most coveted assets in the league. Most teams are trying to load up with as many as possible, so they can play 3 at a time for significant stretches.

Their value lies in being able to offer enough of what bigs and guards generally excel at, without the inherent limitations they generally possess.

It's only the archaic types, like the Spurs, who don't seem to place a premium on them.

This is the worst kind of roster construction in the modern NBA: Antiquated stars, small guards, slow bigs and severely limited lineup flexibility/versatility. They're basically what the Raptors were, only in a deeper conference. What's worse, they gave the Raptors the antithesis of this and did so without making them feel any pain (Anunoby, Mills in place of Green, looser protection on pick).

yes, gsw has the offensive death lineup, and the raptors can have the defensive death lineu with lowry (delon) / green / kawhi / anunoby / siakam

[sasaint]

In today's NBA, you don't even need a true SF. Lots of teams run with three guards on the floor, a stretch 4, and a traditional big. Basically, all positions have "moved up a slot." What used to be a 2 is now a 3, what used to be a 3 is now a 4, etc. Lebron James is a PF in today's NBA, for example.

Starters: Murray/Belinelli/Derozan/Gay/Aldridge

Backups: Mills/Walker/Ginobili/Bertans/Gasol

At least that's what I'll run in 2K19 :lol

I think a lot more of White than you. But I bet Pop is with you. White looks polished and ready for the NBA; Walker looks too raw. Plus, I think Manu is gone.

[cutewizard]

If Murray can develop a dependable outside shot, he can be a 3 and D. He’s the best perimeter guard Spurs have. White starts at PG, DeRozan SG.


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[Fusternino]

Honestly starting to believe that Cunningham will start . . .

[DPG21920]

I cannot believe SA gave Beli, Bertans & Forbes 2nd years fully guaranteed.

[Immortal Spur]

I cannot believe SA gave Beli, Bertans & Forbes 2nd years fully guaranteed.
Guess we saving cap for 2020??? but why? who's free agent? Maybe preparing for DeJounte next payday? Interesting to say the least.