View Full Version : Spurs: Yall Spur Fans may wanna edit your old Derozan takes
monosylab1k
07-20-2018, 10:41 AM
I’m just sayin, a quick forum search shows basically zero Spurs fans thinking this dude was anything special, now y’all acting like you got a superstar :lol we already know the revisionist history with Kawhi is underway, but I had a good laugh at the Derozan takes today.
daslicer
07-20-2018, 10:53 AM
Don't know what the hell you are talking about. Most Spurs fans have acknowledged that Derozan is a high volume scorer and is a big time choker in the playoffs.
apalisoc_9
07-20-2018, 10:57 AM
I’m just sayin, a quick forum search shows basically zero Spurs fans thinking this dude was anything special, now y’all acting like you got a superstar :lol we already know the revisionist history with Kawhi is underway, but I had a good laugh at the Derozan takes today.
They're gonna start saying they win 60 last two great years for kawhi cause of Pop even though the moment he got injured they plummted tp 47 wins.
Probably gonna call Derozan top 5 player now :lol
MultiTroll
07-20-2018, 11:02 AM
I’m just sayin, a quick forum search shows basically zero Spurs fans thinking this dude was anything special, now y’all acting like you got a superstar :lol we already know the revisionist history with Kawhi is underway, but I had a good laugh at the Derozan takes today.
Another year of Dork leading the charge, eh 'slob?
Bill_Brasky
07-20-2018, 11:18 AM
Lol "plummeting" to 47 wins in the WC with Lamarsha as your best player
Trainwreck2100
07-20-2018, 11:56 AM
Another year of Dork leading the charge, eh 'slob?
Dork more loyal than mute
DPG21920
07-20-2018, 11:57 AM
I’m just sayin, a quick forum search shows basically zero Spurs fans thinking this dude was anything special, now y’all acting like you got a superstar :lol we already know the revisionist history with Kawhi is underway, but I had a good laugh at the Derozan takes today.
Weird take. Most Spurs fans have been very open with their concerns about DeRozan even after the trade. This feels forced and like a fake narrative.
I mean, there is an upstairs with plenty of threads and comments about DeRozan’s flaws even after the trade.
Weird take. Most Spurs fans have been very open with their concerns about DeRozan even after the trade. This feels forced and like a fake narrative.
I mean, there is an upstairs with plenty of threads and comments about DeRozan’s flaws even after the trade.
Chris Fall
07-20-2018, 01:13 PM
Majority of Spurs fans also estimate the Spurs to win 55 games and be the 2nd or 3rd seed next season.
They must not really think DeRozan is too flawed to not help the team.
monosylab1k
07-20-2018, 01:22 PM
Majority of Spurs fans also estimate the Spurs to win 55 games and be the 2nd or 3rd seed next season.
They must not really think DeRozan is too flawed to not help the team.
:lol exactly. All the “he led Toronto to the 1 seed” talk and season predictions that would be a stretch even if they had kept Kawhi, but when faced with their own behavior suddenly they deny it :lol
monosylab1k
07-20-2018, 01:23 PM
Another year of Dork leading the charge, eh 'slob?
Mavs and Spurs have equally good odds at winning the title next year.
MultiTroll
07-20-2018, 01:31 PM
Mavs and Spurs have equally good odds at winning the title next year.
Wanna put down some slob money on who goes further?
Oh wait, Carlisle vs Popped. I'll pass.
DAF86
07-20-2018, 02:02 PM
Majority of Spurs fans also estimate the Spurs to win 55 games and be the 2nd or 3rd seed next season.
They must not really think DeRozan is too flawed to not help the team.
I counted 38 people saying under 55 wins and only 16 saying 55 or over, tbh.
daslicer
07-20-2018, 02:03 PM
Majority of Spurs fans also estimate the Spurs to win 55 games and be the 2nd or 3rd seed next season.
They must not really think DeRozan is too flawed to not help the team.
Spurs should win between 50-55. They practically won 47 last year without Kawhi. Lamarcus should have another year of being a 20-10 player. Then add Derozan he's a better second option in scoring than what the Spurs had last year which was just Rudy Gay averaging 11 point.
Spurtacular
07-20-2018, 02:08 PM
I’m just sayin, a quick forum search shows basically zero Spurs fans thinking this dude was anything special, now y’all acting like you got a superstar :lol we already know the revisionist history with Kawhi is underway, but I had a good laugh at the Derozan takes today.
You didn't look at shit today, tbh.
Like other slobs, you lazy AF.
:rollin
Spurtacular
07-20-2018, 02:11 PM
Majority of Spurs fans also estimate the Spurs to win 55 games and be the 2nd or 3rd seed next season.
They must not really think DeRozan is too flawed to not help the team.
What slob doesn't get is that there's a difference between regular season success and playoff success. You'd think as a Mavericks fan, he'd get that. :lol
Arcadian
07-20-2018, 02:32 PM
What's your take then? You think he's just a total piece of shit that won't improve the team at all, maybe even make it worse?
Chris Fall
07-20-2018, 02:38 PM
I counted 38 people saying under 55 wins and only 16 saying 55 or over, tbh.
I didnt go post by post and count. Perhaps I should have as it certainly felt like a higher percentage. I also went by the first couple pages as it wasn’t 4 pages long when I read it yesterday. Maybe I rounded up too high, but I would still guess the average predicted number of win is still probably something like 52 wins maybe? You can go back through the thread and see if I guessed wrong again.
Even then, still overly optimistic by most if you ask me. The quick and easy rationale is that the team added DeRozan and Kawhi hardly played last season anyway and still won 47 games. The problem with that rationale is that it ignores other factors like other roster changes, assuming Parker and Fathead are insignificant losses, that LMA and Rudy Gay will adequately duplicate last season’s performances, and that no other Western Conference teams below the Spurs last year significantly got better to jump the. It also doesn’t weigh much on what impact losing Ginobili or him returning would have, as none of the predictions I saw gave qualifying number of wins based on whether he was back or not. Since we don’t know if he’s coming back, I assume those predictions accounted for him not coming back.
Maybe as significant as any other factor, the 47 wins without Kawhi logic ignores the fact that the Spurs could have easily missed the playoffs last season anyway. They were a couple wins fewer of the 3rd seed, BUT they were also one more loss from having the same record as the 9th seed. The playoff balance of the Western Conference for every team not named the Warriors hangs by a string. Yet many if not most of those predictions appear very comfortable with not only a playoff berth but a relatively easy 50+ season.
I’m not convinced, even with DeRozan playing well with his “regular season” abilities.
DAF86
07-20-2018, 02:44 PM
I didnt go post by post and count. Perhaps I should have as it certainly felt like a higher percentage. I also went by the first couple pages as it wasn’t 4 pages long when I read it yesterday. Maybe I rounded up too high, but I would still guess the average predicted number of win is still probably something like 52 wins maybe? You can go back through the thread and see if I guessed wrong again.
Even then, still overly optimistic by most if you ask me. The quick and easy rationale is that the team added DeRozan and Kawhi hardly played last season anyway and still won 47 games. The problem with that rationale is that it ignores other factors like other roster changes, assuming Parker and Fathead are insignificant losses, that LMA and Rudy Gay will adequately duplicate last season’s performances, and that no other Western Conference teams below the Spurs last year significantly got better to jump the. It also doesn’t weigh much on what impact losing Ginobili or him returning would have, as none of the predictions I saw gave qualifying number of wins based on whether he was back or not. Since we don’t know if he’s coming back, I assume those predictions accounted for him not coming back.
Maybe as significant as any other factor, the 47 wins without Kawhi logic ignores the fact that the Spurs could have easily missed the playoffs last season anyway. They were a couple wins fewer of the 3rd seed, BUT they were also one more loss from having the same record as the 9th seed. The playoff balance of the Western Conference for every team not named the Warriors hangs by a string. Yet many if not most of those predictions appear very comfortable with not only a playoff berth but a relatively easy 50+ season.
I’m not convinced, even with DeRozan playing well with his “regular season” abilities.
I don't think saying the Spurs will win around 50 games is overly optimistic, tbh. As flawed as DeRozan is, he still was selected 2nd all-nba team last season, same as Aldridge. Expecting a Greg Popovich team, with two all-nba players, to win around 50 games, on a league with very few really elite teams, isn't much of a stretch, tbh.
Chris Fall
07-20-2018, 02:55 PM
There were only two teams in the Western Conference last season that won 50+ games. What it says about the Western Conference is that after the Warriors (Houston likely won’t post as good a record) because there are as you say very few really elite teams, it will be a dogfight for those 2-8 seeds with pretty much those teams all about as good as each other. 3 games separating the 3rd seed and being out of the playoffs last year.
To me, feeling confident that any Western Conference team other than GS comfortably winning 50+ games next season is a stretch.
Killakobe81
07-20-2018, 03:08 PM
There were only two teams in the Western Conference last season that won 50+ games. What it says about the Western Conference is that after the Warriors (Houston likely won’t post as good a record) because there are as you say very few really elite teams, it will be a dogfight for those 2-8 seeds with pretty much those teams all about as good as each other. 3 games separating the 3rd seed and being out of the playoffs last year.
To me, feeling confident that any Western Conference team other than GS comfortably winning 50+ games next season is a stretch.
Fair point.
Even with LEbron I am not counting on 50 wins in the West.
But I do think Lakers will fall anywehere between the 3rd and 6th seed in the West.
Because the west is so jumbled teams sometimes actually tank for playoff positioning so who ends up where doesnt ultimately mean anything.
OKC finsihed ahead of Utah and still got smoked even with "Playoff P".
Blazers looked good in regular season and got smoked by Nola.
DAF86
07-20-2018, 03:15 PM
There were only two teams in the Western Conference last season that won 50+ games. What it says about the Western Conference is that after the Warriors (Houston likely won’t post as good a record) because there are as you say very few really elite teams, it will be a dogfight for those 2-8 seeds with pretty much those teams all about as good as each other. 3 games separating the 3rd seed and being out of the playoffs last year.
To me, feeling confident that any Western Conference team other than GS comfortably winning 50+ games next season is a stretch.
Houston shouldn't feel confident about winning 50+ games?
And Spurs fans feel confident about winning 50+ games because they won 47 games last season and lost about 10 games where they were leading by double digits in the 4th quarter. Mainly because we didn't have a single perimeter player that could take matters into his own hands (outside a few vintage Manu games). DeRozan should help on that regard.
The shooting of Bertans, White and Bellinelli should also help over the non-threats that were Anderson, Tony and Green last season.
The one area where they might struggle is defense, since Anderson and Green will be missed there, but the believe is that Pop will be able to have the team playing good defense regardless.
Again, I don't think is sensible to say it is "overly optimistic" to expect a team to win 50 games, when that team won 47 games the previous season (should have won more if not for unprecedent 4th quarter double-digit blown leads) and added an all-NBA player.
Chucho
07-20-2018, 03:57 PM
LOL, Mavs just got DeAndre Jordan'd again by a dude named Yogi... :lol:lol They got rejected for THE KINGS.:lmao
Chris Fall
07-20-2018, 04:01 PM
Again, I don't think is sensible to say it is "overly optimistic" to expect a team to win 50 games, when that team won 47 games the previous season (should have won more if not for unprecedent 4th quarter double-digit blown leads) and added an all-NBA player.
OKC added PG last season and added a whopping ONE win to their record from the previous season.
Again, you ignore the other variables that happened this summer for an easy singular move will make the difference logic.
Chris
07-20-2018, 04:07 PM
Mavs and Spurs have equally good odds at winning the title next year.
Nah, your team is trash.
Monostradamus
07-20-2018, 04:09 PM
Nah, your team is trash.
Mavs and Spurs both have equally zero chance at winning a title next season.
Monostradamus
07-20-2018, 04:10 PM
LOL, Mavs just got DeAndre Jordan'd again by a dude named Yogi... :lol:lol They got rejected for THE KINGS.:lmao
Your franchise player quit on you.
Chucho
07-20-2018, 04:11 PM
Your franchise player quit on you.
They get newsfeeds in the cellar? Cool.
To me, feeling confident that any Western Conference team other than GS comfortably winning 50+ games next season is a stretch.
$500 says the Spurs win more than not only 50 but 55? You in? PM me from your main account if so.
baseline bum
07-20-2018, 05:40 PM
Those DeRozan posts in the past were from fans of a team with Kawhi on it and thus a legit shot at a title, so DeRozan's disappearing acts in the playoffs mattered. With Leonard gone this is a regular season team that can probably win 50 games and maybe a round in the playoffs, so another DeRozan choking act wouldn't cost the Spurs a title. Lowered expectations, mono. He's fine if the goal is to win some regular season games, which is apparently the direction the team wants to go in.
Kyle Orton
07-20-2018, 05:43 PM
Your franchise player quit on you.
The kicker being they bit their lip and took it the whole time, right up till the very end :lol
baseline bum
07-20-2018, 05:44 PM
$500 says the Spurs win more than not only 50 but 55? You in? PM me from your main account if so.
How do you see this team winning 55 games? They're going to be terrible defensively and no guarantee Aldridge has another career year like he did this season. Fifty five wins is usually a title contender and I don't see that at all with this roster.
How do you see this team winning 55 games? They're going to be terrible defensively and no guarantee Aldridge has another career year like he did this season. Fifty five wins is usually a title contender and I don't see that at all with this roster.
Agreed anywhere between 47-52 is possible doable. Don't see us winning much more than that. 52 imo is best case scenario.
How do you see this team winning 55 games? They're going to be terrible defensively and no guarantee Aldridge has another career year like he did this season. Fifty five wins is usually a title contender and I don't see that at all with this roster.
It's pretty easy to be paper tigers and still win a shit load of games. See: 2011 Spurs.
Agreed anywhere between 47-52 is possible doable. Don't see us winning much more than that. 52 imo is best case scenario.
Get rid of that sig and avy.
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Get rid of that sig and avy.
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Just changed the avy, forgot about the sig tbh lol
Just changed the avy, forgot about the sig tbh lol
Well done. :tu
Chris Fall
07-20-2018, 06:09 PM
$500 says the Spurs win more than not only 50 but 55? You in? PM me from your main account if so.
Sorry. I don’t bet money online.
Honestly, even if I did, I wouldn’t bet on this. I don’t have a big enough personal or emotional stake either way, either outcome. I don’t think they’ll win 50 games. But nor do I think it’s impossible for them to do so.
HarlemHeat37
07-20-2018, 06:27 PM
$500 says the Spurs win more than not only 50 but 55? You in? PM me from your main account if so.
I'll take the 55 bet lol
I'll give you $750 if they get to 55, you give me 5 if they don't .
I'll take the 55 bet lol
I'll give you $750 if they get to 55, you give me 5 if they don't .
How many games do you have them winning?
HarlemHeat37
07-20-2018, 07:01 PM
How many games do you have them winning?
47-52 IMO..
baseline bum
07-20-2018, 07:05 PM
47-52 IMO..
Seems about where I'm at. I'm guessing somewhere from 45 to 53.
47-52 IMO..
52 and under you get 500, over I get 500?
Regarding injuries, what do you think is a fair number void the deal?
ambchang
07-20-2018, 10:24 PM
The Spurs probably win 45, would be surprised if they win more than 50.
Dork more loyal than mute
Fucked up but :lol
Let's be honest here about the state of the Spurs. Duncan was the last remnants that was keeping the Spurs an elite team.
Leadership can keep a team afloat for years once they enter the "life on support" stage and Duncan did that for a better part of 2 years.
Kawhi May or may not keep thriving but he did himself no favors by acting like a complete bitch. I doubt he'll ever reach true leadership status like Duncan and Robinson.
TDMVPDPOY
07-20-2018, 10:54 PM
spurs will win more then 50 man
monosylab1k
07-21-2018, 12:17 AM
Spurs will win 42-45 games next year. The West has improved significantly top to bottom, so fewer wins isn’t necessarily some indictment on Derozan. Mavs are astronomically better than last season and will probably still win only 25 to 30 games.
StrengthAndHonor
07-21-2018, 12:25 AM
1/2 Warriors and Rockets
3. OKC
4/5 Lakers and Utah
6. Portland
7. Spurs
8. Wolves/Nuggets
KillerMamba
07-21-2018, 12:31 PM
Man, fuq google for autocorrecting "demar defrozan".
DAF86
07-21-2018, 02:30 PM
OKC added PG last season and added a whopping ONE win to their record from the previous season.
Again, you ignore the other variables that happened this summer for an easy singular move will make the difference logic.
Sure, anything can happen, and just like I believe they can win over 50 games and even reach the second round, it wouldn't surprise me if they miss the playoffs. All I'm saying is that expecting the Spurs to win over 50 games isn't some crazy super homerish idea, like you make it seem it is. In fact, it is what most objective metrics would suggest.
Chris Fall
07-21-2018, 03:51 PM
I said it was overly optimistic, not crazy super homerish. There are varying degrees of possible. Possible doesn’t mean likely.
I believe the Spurs making the playoffs is a coin flip. Either is possible. Either roughly about equally likely. Neither outcome would surprise me in the least. The Spurs winning 50+ games (and remember it really started with the 52-55 win total) to me is unlikely. Still possible, but it would surprise me some if they won 50+. It would surprise me considerably more if they won 55+ games.
Anything is possible. Being confident in something I consider unlikely is overly optimistic. Not crazy. Not super homerish. Not crazy super homerish. Simply overly optimistic.
Spurs will win 42-45 games next year.
:lol
DAF86
07-21-2018, 04:09 PM
I said it was overly optimistic, not crazy super homerish. There are varying degrees of possible. Possible doesn’t mean likely.
I believe the Spurs making the playoffs is a coin flip. Either is possible. Either roughly about equally likely. Neither outcome would surprise me in the least. The Spurs winning 50+ games (and remember it really started with the 52-55 win total) to me is unlikely. Still possible, but it would surprise me some if they won 50+. It would surprise me considerably more if they won 55+ games.
Anything is possible. Being confident in something I consider unlikely is overly optimistic. Not crazy. Not super homerish. Not crazy super homerish. Simply overly optimistic.
Let me rephrase it: I don't consider the Spurs winning around 50 games (for example 52 games) being something "overly" optimistic, tbh. I think it is more or less what you can expect.
Like some had already said I think the most likely scenario is for the Spurs' win number to be anywhere between 47 to 52 games.
DeadlyDynasty
07-21-2018, 04:19 PM
$500 says the Spurs win more than not only 50 but 55? You in? PM me from your main account if so.
55? I'm your huckleberry
DPG21920
07-21-2018, 04:28 PM
I am serioulsy pumped to watch Dallas this year. I am a massive Doncic fan and he’s going to be amazing. Mavs should be fun.
Chris Fall
07-21-2018, 04:38 PM
Let me rephrase it: I don't consider the Spurs winning around 50 games (for example 52 games) being something "overly" optimistic, tbh. I think it is more or less what you can expect.
Like some had already said I think the most likely scenario is for the Spurs' win number to be anywhere between 47 to 52 games.
You’re trying to change my opinion. But we have different opinions.
The Spurs winning something like 52 games being what you can more or less expect is YOUR opinion.
Spurs fan being confident in a 50+ win season being overly optimistic is MY opinion.
What exactly are you trying to argue? That one “opinion” is more factually reasonable than the other? You can’t. They’re both just opinions. My “opinion” is not unreasonable. Neither is yours. I just don’t agree with yours. And nothing you’ve offered or argued makes your opinion more reasonable than mine. So at this point, not sure what else there is to say...
DAF86
07-21-2018, 04:40 PM
You’re trying to change my opinion. But we have different opinions.
The Spurs winning something like 52 games being what you can more or less expect is YOUR opinion.
Spurs fan being confident in a 50+ win season being overly optimistic is MY opinion.
What exactly are you trying to argue? That one “opinion” is more factually reasonable than the other? You can’t. They’re both just opinions. My “opinion” is not unreasonable. Neither is yours. I just don’t agree with yours. And nothing you’ve offered or argued makes your opinion more reasonable than mine. So at this point, not sure what else there is to say...
I'm arguing your opinion. You know, what one usually does on message boards.
Another year of Dork leading the charge, eh 'slob?
When Yogi Ferrell ghosts you, you've been ghosted.
Chris Fall
07-21-2018, 06:01 PM
I'm arguing your opinion. You know, what one usually does on message boards.
You haven’t argued anything that makes your opinion more reasonable or more reasonably likely.
You haven’t offered anything that suggests my opinion is unreasonable.
Your post previous to this one I just quoted didn’t even offer anything but restating what the opinions were.
DAF86
07-21-2018, 06:26 PM
You haven’t argued anything that makes your opinion more reasonable or more reasonably likely.
You haven’t offered anything that suggests my opinion is unreasonable.
Your post previous to this one I just quoted didn’t even offer anything but restating what the opinions were.
The first thing I did on this thread was disproving a statement you made with a pure fact.
Then, I gave my reasons as to why I don't agree with your statement that expecting the Spurs to win over 50 games was overly optimistic; you gave yours. That's what you do on a message board. These type of arguments don't have definite answers untill we see what happens.
Maybe a way to determine if the opinion that the Spurs winning 50 games is "overly optimistic" in the general view is by looking at the Spurs over/under number of expected wins for the upcoming season, but I don't know where do you find that.
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