Julian Assange to be handed over to UK authorities

[djohn2oo8]

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:tu

[boutons_deux]

THIS should be interesting.

Assange didn't steal the Dem data, only received "stolen material" and published it.

He's not American, and anything he did was not on American soil.

If he committed a crime, who has jurisdiction?

so now what?

[Reck]

Oh no. TSA's hero.

[djohn2oo8]

THIS should be interesting.

Assange didn't steal the Dem data, only received "stolen material" and published it.

He's not American, and anything he did was not on American soil.

If he committed a crime, who has jurisdiction?

so now what?

It was designed to undermine US democracy. He will still be wanted by the US. We will see.

[Spurminator]

It was designed to undermine US democracy. He will still be wanted by the US. We will see.

Do you really think Trump wouldn't just pardon him if he was in any danger of being tried in the US? Especially if (as I'm sure you believe) he has anything that could be damaging to Trump?

[djohn2oo8]

Do you really think Trump wouldn't just pardon him if he was in any danger of being tried in the US? Especially if (as I'm sure you believe) he has anything that could be damaging to Trump?

good luck pardoning a co conspirator

[boutons_deux]

It was designed to undermine US democracy. He will still be wanted by the US. We will see.

I expect DoJ to ask UK to hold Assange as flight risk, unless Trash blocks DoJ and let's Assange skate free.

I can't remember what Sweden was going to do, but I think they backed down

The two girls who claimed he raped them are both CIA "contacts".

[Spurminator]

good luck pardoning a co conspirator

Are they going to show he's a co conspirator before there's a chance of pardoning him?

[Quadzilla99]

good luck pardoning a co conspirator

He pardoned Arpaio who had done far far worse

[djohn2oo8]

Are they going to show he's a co conspirator before there's a chance of pardoning him?
To the courts, surely thats already done. Mueller is months ahead of whats been reported

[djohn2oo8]

He pardoned Arpaio who had done far far worse

Pardon powers are a little more limited to pardoning those who you might be accused of committing a crime with

[Spurminator]

There is zero chance that Mueller and the courts have proven a conspiracy between Donald Trump and Julian Assange and it hasn't already come out. There is no way that information gets held for months. They may have a bread crumb trail, but I don't think that's enough to stop Trump from pardoning him, which he would do immediately if there was any chance of an Assange deposition implicating him because Congress and 40% of the country would back him up.

The best chance seems to be for the UK to hold him and carry out the investigation (and reporting) themselves outside of Trump's jurisdiction.

[djohn2oo8]

There is zero chance that Mueller and the courts have proven a conspiracy between Donald Trump and Julian Assange and it hasn't already come out. There is no way that information gets held for months. They may have a bread crumb trail, but I don't think that's enough to stop Trump from pardoning him, which he would do immediately if there was any chance of an Assange deposition implicating him because Congress and 40% of the country would back him up.

The best chance seems to be for the UK to hold him and carry out the investigation (and reporting) themselves outside of Trump's jurisdiction.

Nothing comes out until Mueller is ready. Many things are sealed. Indictements etc. Plea deals don't get announced until his office announces it. The President is under a criminal investigation. NOTHING will leak from the courts. Ever.

[TSA]

To the courts, surely thats already done. Mueller is months ahead of whats been reported

:lol you get more delusional by the day. It’s anazing to watch.

[TSA]

Nothing comes out until Mueller is ready. Many things are sealed. Indictements etc. Plea deals don't get announced until his office announces it. The President is under a criminal investigation. NOTHING will leak from the courts. Ever.

:lol you get more delusional by the minute. Trump isn’t under a criminal investigation.

[monosylab1k]

:lol you get more delusional by the day. It’s anazing to watch.

:lol the irony

[djohn2oo8]

:lol you get more delusional by the minute. Trump isn’t under a criminal investigation.

Russia probe is a criminal investigation you dunce.

[boutons_deux]

I figure NY AG has Trash under criminal investigation, and will indict Trash for financial crimes like money laundering, stealing charity money, etc, NONE of which, as state crimes, provide him with immunity. The next President won't be able to pardon Trash.

[djohn2oo8]

Oh and so is his foundation TSA.
https://www.bna.com/trump-foundation-criminal-n73014477709/

[djohn2oo8]

I figure NY AG has Trash under criminal investigation, and will indict Trash for financial crimes like money laundering, stealing charity money, etc, NONE of which, as state crimes, provide him with immunity. The next President won't be able to pardon Trash.

Yes his foundation and for other crimes. He's fucked there and with Mueller.

[Chris]

Trump still not a target. No criminal investigations :tu

[Spurtacular]

:cry

Did Assange cost y'er fag hag the election?

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao Chris


Trump still not a target. No criminal investigations :tu
The special counsel’s office waved off the transition team’s complaint.
“When we have obtained emails in the course of our ongoing criminal investigation, we have secured either the account owner’s consent or appropriate criminal process,” said Peter Carr, spokesman for the special counsel’s office.

[Chris]

:lmao Chris


The special counsel’s office waved off the transition team’s complaint.
“When we have obtained emails in the course of our ongoing criminal investigation, we have secured either the account owner’s consent or appropriate criminal process,” said Peter Carr, spokesman for the special counsel’s office.





Trump still not a target. No criminal investigations :tu

[hater]

Good luck and blessings to him

He will be in our prayers

[ElNono]

Pardon powers are a little more limited to pardoning those who you might be accused of committing a crime with

uh? once there's a conviction, he can pardon or even commute the sentence.

[Chris]

djohn :lol

[ElNono]

IMO, this is going to be protracted legal battle regardless.

[djohn2oo8]

uh? once there's a conviction, he can pardon or even commute the sentence.

But if Trump is considering using his pardon power to undercut Mueller’s Russia probe, he might be overlooking a clause in the Constitution that expressly forbids it. This, at least, is the argument Fordham law professor Jed Shugerman made in a column for the Washington Post last month.

According to Shugerman and his co-author, Ethan J. Leib, the Constitution says that the president cannot pardon people for the purpose of self-protection, which means he cannot pardon himself or others in order to shield himself from a criminal investigation. Nor can he use the pardon power to serve his own financial interests.

Their argument is based on a line in the Constitution known as the “take care clause,” which imposes specific obligations on the president. The clause, Shugerman and Leib argue, mandates that the president “execute” the laws in such a way as to advance the public interest and not the president’s private interests.

[djohn2oo8]

Cannot pardon co conspirators if indicted himself.

[pgardn]

Make Trump pardon him.

[baseline bum]

But if Trump is considering using his pardon power to undercut Mueller’s Russia probe, he might be overlooking a clause in the Constitution that expressly forbids it. This, at least, is the argument Fordham law professor Jed Shugerman made in a column for the Washington Post last month.

According to Shugerman and his co-author, Ethan J. Leib, the Constitution says that the president cannot pardon people for the purpose of self-protection, which means he cannot pardon himself or others in order to shield himself from a criminal investigation. Nor can he use the pardon power to serve his own financial interests.

Their argument is based on a line in the Constitution known as the “take care clause,” which imposes specific obligations on the president. The clause, Shugerman and Leib argue, mandates that the president “execute” the laws in such a way as to advance the public interest and not the president’s private interests.

You think Trump gives a shit about the constitution?

[DMC]

Oh no. TSA's hero.

Say's ST's own Chelsea Manning

[boutons_deux]

Assange-ally-defender Greenwald chimes in

Ecuador Will Imminently Withdraw Asylum for Julian Assange and

Hand Him Over to the UK.

What Comes Next? (https://theintercept.com/2018/07/21/ecuador-will-imminently-withdraw-asylum-for-julian-assange-and-hand-him-over-to-the-uk-what-comes-next/)

It would be incredibly shrewd for Sessions to lay the foundation for doing so by prosecuting Assange first,

safe in the knowledge that journalists themselves –

consumed with hatred for Assange due to personal reasons,

professional jealousies, and

anger over the role they believed he played in 2016 in helping Hillary Clinton lose –

would unite behind the Trump DOJ and in support of its efforts to imprison Assange.

https://theintercept.com/2018/07/21/ecuador-will-imminently-withdraw-asylum-for-julian-assange-and-hand-him-over-to-the-uk-what-comes-next/

[pgardn]

Say's ST's own Chelsea Manning

Be proud.
Derptacular will 2nd that.

[Quadzilla99]

:lol the irony

I said it before those two are mirror images of each other :lol

The same wishcasting, the same BOOM posts day after day

[AaronY]

Pardon powers are a little more limited to pardoning those who you might be accused of committing a crime with

Youre an expert on pardon powers now?

[AaronY]

Got his law degree from the talking points memo university primer course which was the three articles he read on it there

[ElNono]

But if Trump is considering using his pardon power to undercut Mueller’s Russia probe, he might be overlooking a clause in the Constitution that expressly forbids it. This, at least, is the argument Fordham law professor Jed Shugerman made in a column for the Washington Post last month.

According to Shugerman and his co-author, Ethan J. Leib, the Constitution says that the president cannot pardon people for the purpose of self-protection, which means he cannot pardon himself or others in order to shield himself from a criminal investigation. Nor can he use the pardon power to serve his own financial interests.

Their argument is based on a line in the Constitution known as the “take care clause,” which imposes specific obligations on the president. The clause, Shugerman and Leib argue, mandates that the president “execute” the laws in such a way as to advance the public interest and not the president’s private interests.

1) There's no indication Assange would be tried for anything other than disseminating top secret documents without clearance, at this time. Which obviously doesn't involve the POTUS at all.

2) There's no clear indication or judicial precedence that the POTUS can actually be criminally indicted while in office. *IF* he needs to be impeached first, don't forget that's a political process, not a judicial one. Until that's decided the POTUS can clearly exercise his powers.

3) Let's pretend for a second he's indicted and the theory is correct and he can't pardon Assange. He still has the power to commute the sentence, which doesn't change the guilty verdict, but does allow Assange to walk free (see Scooter Libby, for commuting sentence followed by pardon).

Lots of options, but, above all, this whole thing presume that Trump wants to help Assange, which is not clear to me at all, especially after Mueller's latest indictments. There, Assange come off as a pawn, where the GRU uses his organization's popularity as a megaphone to spread the hacked documents.

At any rate, I'm fairly confident that the UK will also try to make an example of him before they hand him over, and so I expect this whole process to be pretty lengthy.

[Reck]

Be proud.
Derptacular will 2nd that.

DMC's crew consisting of retards. :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Cannot pardon co conspirators if indicted himself.

POTUS cannot be indicted

[pgardn]

DMC's crew consisting of retards. :lol

I can’t consider him with that bunch.
When not wound up or trolling, I usually find him reasonable.
And when he posts on something he has read about, he can make a legit argument even if I disagree.

[DMC]

Got his law degree from the talking points memo university primer course which was the three articles he read on it there

Kyle Griffin was the professor.

[DMC]

DMC's crew consisting of retards. :lol

My posting history clearly illustrates I do not do crews or allies.

[djohn2oo8]

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thoughts and prayers

[baseline bum]

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thoughts and prayers

So he can get pardoned by our Dear Leader.

[djohn2oo8]

So he can get pardoned by our Dear Leader.
Wait and see bum. :)

[djohn2oo8]

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Good point

[boutons_deux]

If Assange flips to incriminate Trash and his mafiya, and finger Russians, zippity doo dah, zippity doo day,what beautiful day (that would be)

[DMX7]

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Good point

You can't trust a thing he says and he would never turn on Russia and Trump.