Who won the trade?

[dabom]

Some context. Kawhi was mad and throwing a fucking hissy fit like a whiny bitch and demanded to go to LA and shot his value down.

And Kawhi was gonna leave in a year anyways or take up most of our fucking flexibility due to his supermax contract. And that's not even getting into his health concerns and toxic group.

The Spurs got an Allstar back on 3 years but really 2 cause of the player option.

Decent big. Like his hops. Don't really pay attention to him but can we start him? If so, we got a good piece too.

And a first round pick.

What the Spurs were able to do given the circumstances, I think they won the trade. And yes, the Spurs will make DeStar a better player surrounded by an actual system.

Could the Toronto Raptors win this trade too? It all depends on if Kawhi stays and is healthy there.

[lmbebo]

We lost a top 3 player in the league. No way we win this trade, ever.

[Fusternino]

They won the trade considering the other offers out there. The only other team who were willing to give up anything were the Clippers and that was before the draft although a package could've been assembled by August, well after the draft picks had been signed and a Harrell S&T could be orchestrated. Celtics were apparently offering Marcus Smart S&T, Morris, and a couple picks. LOL. I don't even want to know what the offers from the Blazers, Nuggets, Wizards, and Suns were. Grunfeld is a horrible GM (should've been fired after Gungate, tbh) but even he probably would've wanted us to take on a horrible contract.

Team may actually be better due to addition through subtraction. Poeltl is a legitimate 20-24 minutes a night rotation player. DDR is a horrible defender but better shot creator than Kawhi. Sort of feel there's no choice but to play with two bigs or give Cunningham heavy minutes due to perimeter defense being gutted with the additional losses of Green and Anderson. I'm predicting 52-56 wins.

I think Kawhi will have a mental breakdown in Toronto. There's too much pressure on him but they could flip him to the Lakers after 12/15 for one of their one year deals and an asset or two.

Maybe we can use the extra pick and our own to dump Mills and bring in someone else.

[TekXX]

Both lost.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao Dadooosh trying to reinvent himself.

[playbonner15]

I think I understand Pop and RC's logic now, try to win today with Derozan and Aldridge (and get some fans to watch games in the process) while building up the young core (Murray, White, Walker, Poeltl). That said, it's the best exchange that the Spurs can get since they want a scorer in the trade and not pieces for rebuilding. I think both wins of Kawhi plays and Demar doesnt go emo mode. However, if Kawhi plays like before his injury, Raptors won the trade, with Danny Green there as well as other defensive pieces in OG, that will be a hell of a defense. (Not mentioned ibaka because i dont know how effective he will be next season). Also, it will depend on the coaches and the defensive system Toronto will use with a new head coach. On the Spurs side, i wan to see how the spacing will be with Derozan and Aldridge since it looks like they both like to position on the left midrange going to the basket but Poeltl will fit right in. Only positive for sure is that Derozan is a capable ball handler and can facilitate more than Kawhi. On the defence side, Murray might take the defensive load then funnel to Aldridge and Poeltl inside

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

warriors

[slick'81]

Was really hoping we could get two starters for kawhi but hopefully poeltl breaks out

[spurs10]

We lost a top 3 player in the league. No way we win this trade, ever. I think you have to actually "play" to be a top anything player. Two years ago I'd agree, but even then he was injured a lot even before this injury that kept him out a year.

[baseline bum]

The Lakers won the trade. If Kawhi sucks after injury then they just don't sign him. If not they pay him a 4 year, $140 million free agent contract next summer vs a 5 year, $190 million Full Bird deal had they traded for him. It's not like he is going to stay in Canada after seeing how shitty his shoe deal was in San Antonio.

[spurs10]

Some context. Kawhi was mad and throwing a fucking hissy fit like a whiny bitch and demanded to go to LA and shot his value down.

And Kawhi was gonna leave in a year anyways or take up most of our fucking flexibility due to his supermax contract. And that's not even getting into his health concerns and toxic group.

The Spurs got an Allstar back on 3 years but really 2 cause of the player option.

Decent big. Like his hops. Don't really pay attention to him but can we start him? If so, we got a good piece too.

And a first round pick.

What the Spurs were able to do given the circumstances, I think they won the trade. And yes, the Spurs will make DeStar a better player surrounded by an actual system.

Could the Toronto Raptors win this trade too? It all depends on if Kawhi stays and is healthy there. Simply put this year's team is a much better team than last season, so how can that not be a win. All the 'what if' Kawhi was healthy jabber is meaningless, he didn't play an entire season basically. So trading him for an All-Star that does play and losing his ridiculous amateur manager, Uncle "How to Lose Tens Of Millions Of Dollars In a Hot Minute" Dennis is a great thing. Great trade! Looking forward to October!
:flag:

[ducks]

Let’s judge the trade after 20 games then after 40 and then after 82

[spurs10]

The Lakers won the trade. If Kawhi sucks after injury then they just don't sign him. If not they pay him a 4 year, $140 million free agent contract next summer vs a 5 year, $190 million Full Bird deal had they traded for him. It's not like he is going to stay in Canada after seeing how shitty his shoe deal was in San Antonio. Good point..maybe. Uncle "I Don't Know A Whole Lot Of Nines Are" Dennis sure didn't win it for Nephew.

[therealtruth]

DDR is a horrible defender but better shot creator than Kawhi.

DDR is a worse playoff performer.

[Marcus Bryant]

We lost a top 3 player in the league. No way we win this trade, ever.

He's never been top 3, or 5. Spurs would've gotten better offers if so.

[SpursDynasty85]

The Lakers won the trade. If Kawhi sucks after injury then they just don't sign him. If not they pay him a 4 year, $140 million free agent contract next summer vs a 5 year, $190 million Full Bird deal had they traded for him. It's not like he is going to stay in Canada after seeing how shitty his shoe deal was in San Antonio.

Slightly short sided. You could say that extra 50 mill wouldve been for him this upcoming year. If he is healthy he is worth that. Specially with Lebron still in his semi prime.

[SpursDynasty85]

He's never been top 3, or 5. Spurs would've gotten better offers if so.

Ouch. Dude shut down Harden pretty easily in 2016 and was killing the Warriors until his ankle injury. Not to mention he helped our team win 60+. Nobody couldve done that except maybe 3 or 4 other players. Then in a series between the best players (Lebron, KD, Harden, Curry) I'm taking Kawhi because of his lock down defense on ALL these guys.

[BatManu20]

Lakers. Lebron + Kawhi = Championship(s) if/when the Warriors disband next summer.

[LCM]

The people who won the trade are Jeff and Joseph Sutton of New York City. They are the money behind IMPACT, the agency that Kawhi is a part of, who bought out Mitchell Frankel's debt of 4.7 million from Cobalt Sports Capital and put an additional 10 million into the agency to be run by Joseph Sutton. Jeff Sutton is werth 3.6 billion in real estate and other ventures. They are the people who are paying Uncle Dennis and Kawhi's mom through IMPACT. They are going to be the power brokers as to where Kawhi goes next. Kawhi Leonard is the reason they bought IMPACT, they want to get into the basketball game. IMPACT has mainly delt with football players. Short money and very little guaranteed. The Sutton's want to market Kawhi and have him be the beacon to get other NBA players, with longer contracts and guaranteed money in their agency stable. Forbes article Feb 28th 2017 if you want to read up on them. They are people who are being sued by Kawhi's first agent, Mr Elfus, in Florida. PDF of lawsuit is an easy download. These are the people who won the trade because they nurtured it to happen.

[mienhmario]

San Antonio won. I think Kawhi is gonna get a season injury in Toronto due to high minutes.

[Marcus Bryant]

Ouch. Dude shut down Harden pretty easily in 2016 and was killing the Warriors until his ankle injury. Not to mention he helped our team win 60+. Nobody couldve done that except maybe 3 or 4 other players. Then in a series between the best players (Lebron, KD, Harden, Curry) I'm taking Kawhi because of his lock down defense on ALL these guys.

One game. Not James, Durant, Davis, Curry, Westbrook, so he's out of the top 5. Plus with his vaginal injury he's unlikely to break even the top 10 again.

[johnnymoore]

The people who won the trade are Jeff and Joseph Sutton of New York City. They are the money behind IMPACT, the agency that Kawhi is a part of, who bought out Mitchell Frankel's debt of 4.7 million from Cobalt Sports Capital and put an additional 10 million into the agency to be run by Joseph Sutton. Jeff Sutton is werth 3.6 billion in real estate and other ventures. They are the people who are paying Uncle Dennis and Kawhi's mom through IMPACT. They are going to be the power brokers as to where Kawhi goes next. Kawhi Leonard is the reason they bought IMPACT, they want to get into the basketball game. IMPACT has mainly delt with football players. Short money and very little guaranteed. The Sutton's want to market Kawhi and have him be the beacon to get other NBA players, with longer contracts and guaranteed money in their agency stable. Forbes article Feb 28th 2017 if you want to read up on them. They are people who are being sued by Kawhi's first agent, Mr Elfus, in Florida. PDF of lawsuit is an easy download. These are the people who won the trade because they nurtured it to happen.

Salient points.

If Kawhi ultimately ends up in LA and wins a championship, it'll be a grand slam for IMPACT. They got their guy - who was under contract - to the situation he wanted. Yes, Kawhi will get a haircut, but you cannot really call a guy who makes $35 million/year and is playing in the situation he wants a loser.

Players look at this stuff and they want an agency that has juice.

If, however, you remove the winner/loser aspect and look at the trade from an impact/objective POV:

Spurs - added DeRozan to a 47 win team at the cost of Danny Green & Tony Parker. Kawhi was a non-factor because he was injured (allegedly). Did the move put the Spurs into the championship discussion? No. Did it keep them in the playoff discussion? Yes - they should be right around where they were last year, fighting for the 6-8 seed. Did the move help them in terms of future prospects? Probably not, since DDR will suck up cap space and if the Raps tank, the picks are crap, but it doesn't hurt, either.

Raps - Dumps DDR's deal, which is a positive for their FO, which clearly didn't like the team despite its success. If they move Kawhi before the season or before the deadline, they will likely add a couple of assets (picks and/or prospects) to help the rebuild. They also put themselves in excellent position for free agency.

Downside for both teams is that they'll likely gain reputations as being anti-player organizations.

[gospursgojas]

He's never been top 3, or 5. Spurs would've gotten better offers if so.

This.

Kawhi was maybe top 3 in 2017. Never before that and never again. His career is over. He’ll never be back on that level. He missed a year and is physically and mentally weak. Spurs won this trade by receiving the best player that was being offered.

[Dingle Barry]

:lmao Dadooosh trying to reinvent himself.

[DMC]

It was stupid AF for the Raptors to ship off DD for a 1 year deal on a player who didn't even suit up in the post season or most of last year. If DD was a bad fit there, they could have simply looked for better deals. Now DD has a chip on his shoulder, might be good for the Spurs. Can't be bad though. Dude could come off the bench in limited minutes and still be a better deal basketball wise than Leonard.

Y'all mf'ers worshiped KL too much, overrated the fuck out of him. You tend to do that with guys.

Lebron left the East, the Raptors were set to make the WCF, maybe a legit shot at being in the Finals.

[LCM]

Salient points.

If Kawhi ultimately ends up in LA and wins a championship, it'll be a grand slam for IMPACT. They got their guy - who was under contract - to the situation he wanted. Yes, Kawhi will get a haircut, but you cannot really call a guy who makes $35 million/year and is playing in the situation he wants a loser.

Players look at this stuff and they want an agency that has juice.

If, however, you remove the winner/loser aspect and look at the trade from an impact/objective POV:

Spurs - added DeRozan to a 47 win team at the cost of Danny Green & Tony Parker. Kawhi was a non-factor because he was injured (allegedly). Did the move put the Spurs into the championship discussion? No. Did it keep them in the playoff discussion? Yes - they should be right around where they were last year, fighting for the 6-8 seed. Did the move help them in terms of future prospects? Probably not, since DDR will suck up cap space and if the Raps tank, the picks are crap, but it doesn't hurt, either.

Raps - Dumps DDR's deal, which is a positive for their FO, which clearly didn't like the team despite its success. If they move Kawhi before the season or before the deadline, they will likely add a couple of assets (picks and/or prospects) to help the rebuild. They also put themselves in excellent position for free agency.

Downside for both teams is that they'll likely gain reputations as being anti-player organizations.

Say Kawhi leaves Toronto next year, but doesn't go to LA. Builds a super team in Brooklyn. They could have 50 to 70 million in cap room. Sean Marks Spurs trained is Nets GM. In the Sutton's backyard, under Dolan and the Knicks nose, and the Nets wouldn't need to use draft picks because Kawhi, Kyrie, and Jimmy Butler are all UFA next summer. Also, you don't have to share the spotlight with LBJ in LA. You don't have to put up with that fan base who are even vandalizing pictures of LBJ. And you'll still have the media on your side because you are in their backyard in New York.

Leaving Toronto would hasten the rebuild, so knock them from contention, so you only have to deal with Boston and Philly to get to Finals. Kawhi is going to stay in the East, the Sutton's will get Uncle Dennis to do their dirty work to make sure that happens. He can visit LA in the off season.

[NickiRasgo]

Time will tell.

[SnakeBoy]

Only way Spurs come out winners is if nephew can't make it through the season without more knee problems.

[therealtruth]

Only way Spurs come out winners is if nephew can't make it through the season without more knee problems.

I don't get the dumping on Kawhi's abilities. If healthy he's proven he's a top 3 player. The Spurs were on the verge of beating the Warriors in game 1 in the playoffs with him healthy.

[tbdog]

Who ever gets the best player wins the deal, every time. Unless they completely break up their future like the Nets did when they traded KG and PP. In saying that, we did pretty well considering. We got an Allstar SG and likely future starting center.

[BSfromTX]

Meh, spurs did the best they could do it seems.
Could take a year or maybe two to see who “won”

if kawhi picks up where he left of in 2017 and resigns, then obviously raptors win, but we have to wait a while to see if that’s the case

as for DD, I see his game benefiting in the spurs system, so we could possibly see an improvement.. would be nice if Chip could fix his shot but I’m guessing he’s too old to try to change?’

[iGetbuckets]

The spurs . Kawhi will never be 100% healthy again

[Chillen]

Who knows. The season will have to play out to tell. The Cavs definitely lost the Irving trade last season for sure, they should have traded LeBron to Lakers and kept Irving, lol.

[exstatic]

We lost a top 3 player in the league. No way we win this trade, ever.

If Kawhi leaves TOR, we received a multiple time AS and multiple time All NBA player for a fading SG and an ending contract rental.

#winning

[RD2191]

We lost a top 3 player in the league. No way we win this trade, ever.

Truth bomb

[Raven]

Raptors, easily. but you can't blame them at all both did their best at this point.

[akeen3]

Bottom line IMHO. A player who doesn't want to be on your team is not going to give you 100%. Kawhi made it clear he didn't want to be in San Antonio any more Sooooooo. He would not have been a top player this year had he stayed. Hopefully DDR doesn't share the same opinion about playing in SA. That said, We won on the matter of KL. Now factor in Danny..... Time will tell.


We just don't know how to deal with malcontents here in Spurs country. Even if we do get one or two, it's generally "good riddance to you". Our stars don't shun us for elsewhere. We just don't know how to handle it. Now if we were say, a Cleveland, or a Denver, or a Portland or a Miami maybe we would know how to take being shunned. We just need to get over it and move on. Let's see what the future brings.

[boutons_deux]

San Antonio won. I think Kawhi is gonna get a season injury in Toronto due to high minutes.

yep, I expect K to sit out a lot of games, chronically damaged goods, play less games than Derozan.

So when he does play, he will look like he did in the 9 games of last season, out of sync, way below par.

[tbdog]

Also not to sleep on Poeltl and that 20-30 first round pick, which could be combined with our pick for a top 14-18 pick instead. Spurs could get 3 good players out of this. It may just take a while.

Because we can all agree that Green was well below his peak and he wasn't going to return to form again.

[CAPARG]

Both lost.

Agree

[Arcadian]

Depends on Kawhi's health status.

Fully recovered -> Raptors won
Damaged goods -> Spurs won

[dabom]

Depends on Kawhi's health status.

Fully recovered -> Raptors won
Damaged goods -> Spurs won

Kawhi healthy or not, doesn't stay with the Spurs.

[Chinook]

If they had gotten OG and swapped Mills for Green, the Spurs easily win this trade in the respect that they got everything they could have asked for. As it was, SA only really got a small part of their ideal package, and how that works out over the next two seasons will determine if they won or not. DeRozan by himself isn't so good that going for him made sense. They have to capitalize on recouping this much talent, or they might as well have moved for picks/role-players and tried to hit on mid-firsts for the foreseeable future.

[superbigtime]

Easy question, difficult answer.

[DPG21920]

As of today: easily Toronto.

If you view it in the lense of what did each team hope to accomplish going into a deal? TOR accomplished every single one of their goals. SA did not.

That does not mean things won’ evolve but TOR is the only team that checked every single box and considering they were the ones chasing the best asset? Huge accomplishment.

[Blake]

The Warriors

[JuneJive]

DDR vs. a player who quit on the Team.

Hmm.

[GrapplingYautja]

Spurs.

We got an all-star plus a solid bench big (maybe a possible starter) and a pick which we can use for trade / cash purposes.

Plus, we didn't trade with the Lakers. Hart, Kuzma and all those guys are trash. They're arguing about their rating on NBA2K. Really?! That's the trash you all want in the locker room?

[cutewizard]

The people who won the trade are Jeff and Joseph Sutton of New York City. They are the money behind IMPACT, the agency that Kawhi is a part of, who bought out Mitchell Frankel's debt of 4.7 million from Cobalt Sports Capital and put an additional 10 million into the agency to be run by Joseph Sutton. Jeff Sutton is werth 3.6 billion in real estate and other ventures. They are the people who are paying Uncle Dennis and Kawhi's mom through IMPACT. They are going to be the power brokers as to where Kawhi goes next. Kawhi Leonard is the reason they bought IMPACT, they want to get into the basketball game. IMPACT has mainly delt with football players. Short money and very little guaranteed. The Sutton's want to market Kawhi and have him be the beacon to get other NBA players, with longer contracts and guaranteed money in their agency stable. Forbes article Feb 28th 2017 if you want to read up on them. They are people who are being sued by Kawhi's first agent, Mr Elfus, in Florida. PDF of lawsuit is an easy download. These are the people who won the trade because they nurtured it to happen.

Thanks....howd you know all these stuff?

:bobo

[LCM]

Thanks....howd you know all these stuff?

:bobo

First rule, follow the money. Not the media. Uncle Dennis's Protocol marketing firm hasn't been rolling like he wants, and Frankel, Kawhi's technical agent, has been in debt past his eyeballs for many years. The kicker of interest for me was the lawsuit in Florida. That was spearheaded by Kawhi's first representative, Mr Elfus, getting Kawhi to directly said that Kawhi paid the money to IMPACT so this man should receive his commission for the contracts Kawhi signed with Spurs. Only IMPACT allegedly never paid him. Download it off the Internet. It's free. Any reporter can access it and it will lead you straight to Jeff and Joseph Sutton. Then you Google them and I found the Forbes article. It's all there to find, you just have to look and read.

[sasaint]

The people who won the trade are Jeff and Joseph Sutton of New York City. They are the money behind IMPACT, the agency that Kawhi is a part of, who bought out Mitchell Frankel's debt of 4.7 million from Cobalt Sports Capital and put an additional 10 million into the agency to be run by Joseph Sutton. Jeff Sutton is werth 3.6 billion in real estate and other ventures. They are the people who are paying Uncle Dennis and Kawhi's mom through IMPACT. They are going to be the power brokers as to where Kawhi goes next. Kawhi Leonard is the reason they bought IMPACT, they want to get into the basketball game. IMPACT has mainly delt with football players. Short money and very little guaranteed. The Sutton's want to market Kawhi and have him be the beacon to get other NBA players, with longer contracts and guaranteed money in their agency stable. Forbes article Feb 28th 2017 if you want to read up on them. They are people who are being sued by Kawhi's first agent, Mr Elfus, in Florida. PDF of lawsuit is an easy download. These are the people who won the trade because they nurtured it to happen.

Great job! You are clearly NOT a journalist. I salute you. :toast

[cutewizard]

First rule, follow the money. Not the media. Uncle Dennis's Protocol marketing firm hasn't been rolling like he wants, and Frankel, Kawhi's technical agent, has been in debt past his eyeballs for many years. The kicker of interest for me was the lawsuit in Florida. That was spearheaded by Kawhi's first representative, Mr Elfus, getting Kawhi to directly said that Kawhi paid the money to IMPACT so this man should receive his commission for the contracts Kawhi signed with Spurs. Only IMPACT allegedly never paid him. Download it off the Internet. It's free. Any reporter can access it and it will lead you straight to Jeff and Joseph Sutton. Then you Google them and I found the Forbes article. It's all there to find, you just have to look and read.

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You are the man!

Nice meeting you good Sir, you should post more. Thank you!

[MaNu4Tres]

Toronto.

Because there's a good chance Kawhi will end up re-signing there.

[LCM]

Great job! You are clearly NOT a journalist. I salute you. :toast

Appreciate it

[LCM]

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You are the man!

Nice meeting you good Sir, you should post more. Thank you!

Thank you much

[exstatic]

Toronto.

Because there's a good chance Kawhi will end up re-signing there.

Don't believe idle chatter. What else would The Group put out there? That he had no intention of staying in TOR? He'd be vilified for the entire season by their fans.

Getting him to LA is an awful plan, and he'll lose even more money in the process, but The Group has shown very little aptitude for making good, financially sound decisions. Lakers or Clippers.

[ducks]

I think the raps media will be easier on him then in la
if it is true the raptors look for endorsement deal local will make uncle happy

[barbacoataco]

ESPN thinks the Spurs blew it since they just put us at 13th overall and 9th in the WC. I guess we'll see.

[John B]

It’s the best best deal given the situation Kawhi put Spurs in. We get DDR, a proven scorer who can facilitate, a team player both in and out of the locker room, a leader to our young squad, and most of all loyal to the team who will work hard for him. I expect him to retire a Spur. That an we get a 9th pick 7 footer with high ceiling and a first pick, from someone who is a cancer. Thank you Toronto for bailing us out :bobo

[JPB]

Who knows. The season will have to play out to tell. The Cavs definitely lost the Irving trade last season for sure, they should have traded LeBron to Lakers and kept Irving, lol.

This, tbh.

[JPB]

First rule, follow the money. Not the media. Uncle Dennis's Protocol marketing firm hasn't been rolling like he wants, and Frankel, Kawhi's technical agent, has been in debt past his eyeballs for many years. The kicker of interest for me was the lawsuit in Florida. That was spearheaded by Kawhi's first representative, Mr Elfus, getting Kawhi to directly said that Kawhi paid the money to IMPACT so this man should receive his commission for the contracts Kawhi signed with Spurs. Only IMPACT allegedly never paid him. Download it off the Internet. It's free. Any reporter can access it and it will lead you straight to Jeff and Joseph Sutton. Then you Google them and I found the Forbes article. It's all there to find, you just have to look and read.

You are making all the sauce clowns contemplating suicide, my friend. How dare you not to play the insider who has a colleague of a friend who overheard his brother in law talk about all this.

The sauce clowns would have feasted and embrass themsleves for a whole month on here with 1% of that knowledge.

[spurraider21]

spurs lost because of the situation kawhi put them in.

but if you acknowledge that kawhi's trade demand already weakened the spurs and look at it purely from that starting point, i think its about even.

[LCM]

You are making all the sauce clowns contemplating suicide, my friend. How dare you not to play the insider who has a colleague of a friend who overheard his brother in law talk about all this.

The sauce clowns would have feasted and embrass themsleves for a whole month on here with 1% of that knowledge.

Makes you wonder how hard people who make their living in the information arena are really trying to find out the reasons things are happening. Or who might be the real people with pull that are making decisions. I'm just a regular Spurs fan who found the lawsuit PDF and The Forbes article in one day. Do have to credit Michael C Wright for his appearance on the Back to Back podcast on July 5th I believe. It was then we learning of the hide and go seek of the Spurs Brass wanting to see Kawhi in NYC, and that getting squashed by "Kawahi's people". We all assume it was Uncle Dennis, but could the Sutton's have been a part of that was well? I'm trying to find out if one of the Sutton's main buildings they work out of is close to the NBPA union building that Kawhi was doing his rehab out of. Could the Sutton's be the people who kept the Spurs from Kawhi?

I don't know. That is why I'm asking questions. Trying to find out. The only other Spurs related fan site that has mentioned the Suttons, Joseph Sutton in particular, is the Spurs Reddit site. About 21 days ago there was a post by Audvera Heights concerning Frankel and the Suttons in trying to develop alternate means of income for players who are apart of their sports agency such as investing in real estate for example for a means to get more fees from the players than just the money they would receive for a players standard contract. There was also a big shake up there about Joseph Sutton closing his twitter account for calling LeBron James a faggot in 2014. There is a screen shot of the remarks out there, I've seen it. Would be rather awkward for Kawhi Leonard's representatives for the agency he is a part of having that kind of attitude toward the player the media most wants KL to play with in LBJ.

[LCM]

got posted twice. Sorry

[anon]

The people who won the trade are Jeff and Joseph Sutton of New York City. They are the money behind IMPACT, the agency that Kawhi is a part of, who bought out Mitchell Frankel's debt of 4.7 million from Cobalt Sports Capital and put an additional 10 million into the agency to be run by Joseph Sutton. Jeff Sutton is werth 3.6 billion in real estate and other ventures. They are the people who are paying Uncle Dennis and Kawhi's mom through IMPACT. They are going to be the power brokers as to where Kawhi goes next. Kawhi Leonard is the reason they bought IMPACT, they want to get into the basketball game. IMPACT has mainly delt with football players. Short money and very little guaranteed. The Sutton's want to market Kawhi and have him be the beacon to get other NBA players, with longer contracts and guaranteed money in their agency stable. Forbes article Feb 28th 2017 if you want to read up on them. They are people who are being sued by Kawhi's first agent, Mr Elfus, in Florida. PDF of lawsuit is an easy download. These are the people who won the trade because they nurtured it to happen.


Say Kawhi leaves Toronto next year, but doesn't go to LA. Builds a super team in Brooklyn. They could have 50 to 70 million in cap room. Sean Marks Spurs trained is Nets GM. In the Sutton's backyard, under Dolan and the Knicks nose, and the Nets wouldn't need to use draft picks because Kawhi, Kyrie, and Jimmy Butler are all UFA next summer. Also, you don't have to share the spotlight with LBJ in LA. You don't have to put up with that fan base who are even vandalizing pictures of LBJ. And you'll still have the media on your side because you are in their backyard in New York.

Leaving Toronto would hasten the rebuild, so knock them from contention, so you only have to deal with Boston and Philly to get to Finals. Kawhi is going to stay in the East, the Sutton's will get Uncle Dennis to do their dirty work to make sure that happens. He can visit LA in the off season.


First rule, follow the money. Not the media. Uncle Dennis's Protocol marketing firm hasn't been rolling like he wants, and Frankel, Kawhi's technical agent, has been in debt past his eyeballs for many years. The kicker of interest for me was the lawsuit in Florida. That was spearheaded by Kawhi's first representative, Mr Elfus, getting Kawhi to directly said that Kawhi paid the money to IMPACT so this man should receive his commission for the contracts Kawhi signed with Spurs. Only IMPACT allegedly never paid him. Download it off the Internet. It's free. Any reporter can access it and it will lead you straight to Jeff and Joseph Sutton. Then you Google them and I found the Forbes article. It's all there to find, you just have to look and read.

Bold this man. Looks like the Holts and Pop underbid against an NYC landlord billionaire and lost. Spurfan will just have to learn to like the Livio-Jean Charles, Joffrey Lauvergnes and Sepo Ginobilis of the world carrying on that winning patfo culture.

That rumor about Brooklyn's capspace becoming a free agent destination next year that could host an undisputed superteam in the east to out-armsrace GSW makes a lot more sense now with Sutton getting named as the hand behind the curtain. On top of Sutton's Times Square billboards and Nike stores, Brookyln has Sean Marks managing them and Tiago on the payroll as a recruiter.

I really hope Pop has Becky in mind as his heir like some of SA's bloggers love to repeatedly imply so Ettore "Pace-and-Space on Steroids" Messina can find a new head position in what could and would be the newest and strongest incarnation of Spurs East. Irving, Leonard, Davis...


https://www.scribd.com/document/383295500/Lawsuit-filed-by-Leonard-s-agent-alleging-withheld-commissions#from_embed

[LCM]

www.12up.com has an article about Joseph Sutton and his remarks about LeBron James on twitter. Article is dated July 2nd 2018 and written by Matt Stranzl. Short read but informative.

[sasaint]

ESPN thinks the Spurs blew it since they just put us at 13th overall and 9th in the WC. I guess we'll see.

Typical ESPN narrative about the Spurs. I am not overly enthusiastic about the roster. But just comparing the incoming players to the outgoing players who actually played, this team stacks up much better imho.

[dbreiden83080]

We lost a top 3 player in the league. No way we win this trade, ever.

Did he play last year? Doubt he plays much this year. Ouch my quad hurts sorry can’t play.

[ducks]

lma and DeRozan are going to carry the spurs
they are both pissed they think leonard was the spurs!

[davidbowie]

the fans.

[dbreiden83080]

I just feel like the odds of him having a great season next year, and going on to have a great rest of his career are basically zero. Something is seriously wrong with him mentally and possibly physically. Yes he might have a good two or three months next year which will cause Spurs fans to freak out. But just be patient. I don’t see him being a great player for years to come. Something is just not right.

[Blake]

Toronto.

Because there's a good chance Kawhi will end up re-signing there.

No way

[spurs10]

Typical ESPN narrative about the Spurs. I am not overly enthusiastic about the roster. But just comparing the incoming players to the outgoing players who actually played, this team stacks up much better imho. This team will be much better and correct noting that Kawhi didn't play all season.

[eric365]

Both lost.

This.
Lakers or whatever team that will sign Kawhi as a free agent next summer won this trade.

[Truth4sale$]

Jakob Poeltl, is the only True winner of this trade. Under Popovich, he will vastly improve. Practicing against Lamarcus Adridge everyday will teach him so much. I am not saying he will be a all-star, but I think the Spurs will be able to develop him to a point where he will be starting center solid double - double. Allowing the Spurs to be set at Center for the next 10-12 years, regardless if 2015 draft pick Nikola Milutinov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Milutinov) ever comes over or not.

[LkrFan]

:lmao Dadooosh trying to reinvent himself.

:lol

[LkrFan]

This.
Lakers or whatever team that will sign Kawhi as a free agent next summer won this trade.

I'm gonna say LeBronto won. Ever been to Canada? Canadien women love "the brothers" out there. Kiwi gonna get so much pussy out there that he'll probably sign a lifetime extension. :lmao