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BatManu20
07-21-2018, 11:27 PM
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The door to the Spurs’ locker room at the AT&T Center swung closed late on the night of March 17. It did not open again for quite some time.

The Spurs had just finished a resounding 117-101 victory over Minnesota that would breathe much-needed life into the team’s playoff hopes. Everyone was in high spirits after a big win.

Then the coaches and support staff were asked to step outside. At last, it was time to address the cornrowed elephant in the room.

Superstar forward Kawhi Leonard had not played in nearly two months as he rehabbed a right leg injury that had reduced his season to a series of false starts and dashed hope. His teammates wanted to know if or when they could count on him to join their playoff push.

Veteran point guard Tony Parker, leader of the players-only meeting, would later characterize what happened next as “private stuff, locker room stuff.”

What is clear enough, looking back, is this: The moment the door to the Spurs’ dressing room opened again, nothing would be the same in San Antonio.

Maybe the Spurs didn’t know it yet, but Leonard was as good as gone.

On Wednesday, Leonard — the 27-year-old two-way wunderkind who spent the bulk of the 2017-18 season on the injured list and while his representatives squabbled with Spurs management — was traded to Toronto as part of a four-player deal. The trade was at Leonard’s request, though he did not get to choose his landing spot.

The deal marked an inglorious end to one of the most bizarre chapters in Spurs history.

In the aftermath of the blockbuster — which returned All-Star guard DeMar DeRozan, blossoming big man Jakob Poeltl and a first-round draft pick — the Spurs publicly put on a brave face, saluting Leonard on his way out of town after seven decorated seasons.

“We wish him all the best as he moves on to Toronto,” coach Gregg Popovich said, adding it was best for his team to look forward as well. “In no way, shape or form does it do any good to go back in time and talk A, B and C. It’s time to move on.”

That will happen soon enough. For now, there is time to consider how things went so far south with Leonard, a player seemingly tailor-made for the Spurs’ no-nonsense program, that he is now headed north.

How could it be that a player Popovich once called the future face of one of the NBA’s most stable and storied franchises is now set to play his home games in another country altogether?

“I still don’t know what went into it,” said Danny Green, the longtime Spurs guard who was shipped to the Raptors along with Leonard. “I don’t know exactly what happened.”


A change of heart

The March 17 players meeting was not the beginning of the troubles with Leonard. However, it served as the tinderbox for the slow-burning conflagration that followed.

Leonard had been out since Jan. 13, having been sidelined indefinitely at the suggestion of his private New York-based medical staff, hired in August on the Spurs’ dime.

Depending on whom you ask, the tone of the meeting was either caring or confrontational.

The gist of it, directed at Leonard, was this: Are you going to play with us again, or not?

However the meeting was intended, Leonard reportedly considered it an ambush. Nine days later, he returned to New York to continue rehab.

Leonard finished the season having appeared in nine games. He was in New York, and not on the sidelines, as Golden State dispatched the Spurs from the first round of the playoffs in five games.

What is most mystifying about the year-long ordeal was how out of character it seemed — both for a Spurs franchise about as prone to drama as a C-SPAN marathon, and for a player who seemed built in a laboratory to thrive in precisely such a low-key environment.

When Leonard arrived in June of 2011, via a draft-day trade with Indiana, his new coaches were struck by how little the new rookie cared about anything other than basketball.

Chip Engelland, the Spurs’ shooting coach, was the first assistant to get his hands on Leonard that first summer.

“On a lot of drafts, you hear somebody is a gym rat, loves the gym,” Engelland recalled a few years later. “One of my great compliments to Kawhi is … he still loves the gym. You’ve got to pull him out of the gym.”

Leonard began his Spurs career as a role player for a team still constructed around the championship-gilded Big Three of Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.

By 2013, Popovich understood he had, in Leonard, a player perhaps capable of carrying the baton into the post-Big Three era.

When Leonard entered his first NBA Finals in 2013, at the age of 21, Popovich marveled at how his young small forward seemed unfazed sharing the court and spotlight with four-time MVP LeBron James of Miami.

“He went through the Finals and the playoffs as if he was going to H-E-B to pick up dinner,” Popovich said later.

The Spurs lost the 2013 series against the Heat in seven games.

When they returned to the Finals the next year to exact revenge on Miami and claim the team’s fifth NBA championship, Leonard was named the series MVP. He the youngest player to earn that honor since a 20-year-old Magic Johnson did it in 1980.

Eventually, Leonard added other sterling bullet points to his résumé — a pair of All-NBA first-team mentions, two Defensive Player of the Year awards, a pair of top-3 finishes in the MVP voting.

“He plays with a confidence that is just amazing,” Duncan said in the aftermath of the 2014 title. “I’m honored to be on this team right now, because he’s going to be great for years to come.”

In July 2015, Leonard signed a five-year, $94 million contract to stay with the Spurs, painting the decision as a no-brainer.

“I didn’t think I was going anywhere,” Leonard said at the time. “I would rather spend my career with one team.”

Three years later, the Toronto Raptors are on the hook for what remains of that deal.


A family affair

All along, Leonard seemed like a player who fit San Antonio like a good breakfast taco.

He didn’t enjoy media attention. He didn’t appear to care for the limelight. Like the stone-faced Duncan before him, Leonard came off as a single-minded stoic with little interest in anything other than playing good basketball.

“You wouldn’t know it looking at Kawhi’s face, because it never changes,” Popovich said early in Leonard’s career. “You don’t know if he’s happy or sad.”

At the time, that was supposed to be a good thing.

The first cracks in the low-maintenance veneer came in 2016, when Leonard made his first All-Star game — in Toronto of all places.

Leonard and his traveling companions noticed other All-Stars — notably Oklahoma City point guard Russell Westbrook — were using private luxury cars to get around, instead of the standard transportation provided by the NBA. They wanted the star treatment, too.

Leonard’s trip to China in August of 2017 seemed to spark another change in him. Everywhere he went on the NBA ambassador junket, Leonard was mobbed by fans wearing his jersey and other Spurs gear.

“I was surprised at how many Spurs fans there were, for me not ever going out there,” Leonard said upon his return stateside. “It’s just shocking to see how big they support the NBA.”

The experience also stuck with Leonard’s personal management team, including his uncle, Dennis Robertson. His advisers began to see Leonard’s potential as a top-shelf star and global brand.

A former bank executive, Robertson took on a larger place in his nephew’s life after Leonard’s father, Mark, was murdered in a shooting at a Los Angeles car wash in January 2008.

Since Leonard entered the NBA, Robertson had played a significant role in plotting his nephew’s career. Leonard trusted Robertson.

He was family.

When Leonard parted ways with his original agent, Brian Elfus, in 2016, Robertson and Mitch Frankel, the player’s new agent, became the primary liaisons in communications with the Spurs.

Robertson’s influence grew steadily after Leonard returned from China. In March, Leonard turned down a $20 million shoe deal to re-up with Jordan Brand. Robertson reportedly believed Leonard — as a borderline MVP candidate — deserved more.

As months wore on, some around the league began to suspect Robertson — now known derisively among some Spurs fans as “Uncle Dennis” — harbored visions that went beyond handling his nephew’s affairs. Multiple agents say he has approached clients about becoming their manager as well.

Had Leonard remained healthy, perhaps none of that would have mattered.



“Medical drama”

Addressing reporters in Toronto upon announcing the trade to acquire Leonard, Raptors general manager Masai Ujiri acknowledged the role Leonard’s injury played in greasing the skids toward Canada.

“Without all this medical drama that there is, we have no chance of talking to a player like that,” Ujiri said. “Zero.”

Leonard’s camp traces his quadriceps troubles to late in the 2016-17 regular season, when he suffered what Spurs doctors called a thigh contusion.

Despite playing in discomfort, Leonard finished that season on a tear, leading the Spurs into the Western Conference finals. He had scored 24 points in 24 minutes in Game 1 against Golden State when he landed on Warriors center Zaza Pachulia after taking a jump shot early in the third quarter.

The resulting left ankle sprain rendered Leonard out for the remainder of the series, which the Spurs lost in four games.

The ankle healed during the summer that followed. Leonard’s quadriceps, apparently, did not.

Spurs doctors soon had a new diagnosis for what ailed Leonard: tendinopathy, a chronic tenderness of the tendon often treated with a combination of rest and rehab.

In August, Leonard traveled to New York for a second opinion, an option permitted in the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement and one the Spurs supported.

“Lots of players go get second opinions,” Popovich said during the season. “Lots of players have trainers. Second opinions are good. It doesn’t indicate anything except for due diligence, making sure you’re doing everything you can to get a player back.”

From that point, rehab related to the Spurs’ best player was largely taken out of the team’s hands.

Leonard’s new medical team was led by Dr. Jonathan Glashow, an orthopedic surgeon at New York’s Mount Sinai Medical Center who had worked with the Philadelphia 76ers and the NHL’s New York Islanders. The New York doctors believed the problem was not in Leonard’s quadriceps tendon, but the muscle itself. They prescribed a new course of rehab.

In September, the Spurs announced Leonard would miss training camp and the preseason. He did not make his season debut until a Dec. 12 game at Dallas.

The Spurs were cautious with Leonard, declining to play him on fewer than two days’ rest. On Jan. 13, he scored 19 points with eight rebounds and four steals in a 112-80 victory over Denver.

Leaving the AT&T Center that night, Leonard sounded optimistic about his recovery.

“No complaints,” Leonard said. “I need to string some games together. I talked to veteran guys who have been in this situation. They say to give yourself time … to get back to being yourself.”
Leonard would never play in a Spurs uniform again.

Two days later, Leonard experienced pain while warming up for a game in Atlanta and did not suit up. The next day, he flew to New York with the Spurs, who were scheduled to play their next game at Brooklyn.

There, Leonard met with his New York medical team, which advised him not to play until further notice. On Jan. 17, the morning of the game against the Nets, the Spurs announced they were shutting down Leonard indefinitely.

At the time, Popovich scoffed at the notion “indefinitely” meant Leonard could be out for the season.

“It hasn’t responded the way we wanted it to,” Popovich said of Leonard’s injury. “He’s given it a shot. He’s frustrated as hell. He wants to play badly. But if we’re going to err, we’re going to do it on the side of health.”


Out of sight, mind

For the next two months, the words “return from injury management” — the official reason the Spurs gave for Leonard’s appearance on the nightly inactive list — became an everyday part of the Spurs fan’s lexicon.

In mid-February, just after the All-Star break, Popovich told reporters he didn’t think Leonard would play again in 2017-18.

With tensions high and questions mounting, Leonard addressed the San Antonio media on March 7. It was his first public interview in more than two months.
Leonard denied any sort of rift with the Spurs.

“Everything was done as a group,” he said. “I don’t feel like nothing was friction.”

When asked the admittedly loaded question of whether he planned to finish his career with San Antonio, Leonard answered with a not-exactly-enthusiastic, “For sure.”
Regarding a timetable for playing again, Leonard told reporters that day the same thing he had been telling teammates for weeks.

“Soon,” he said.

By mid-March, signs had been growing that Leonard was on the brink of a return. With the Spurs mired in a stretch of seven defeats in nine games and their playoff hopes in peril, the timing was ripe for the two-time All-Star to come back.

Leonard’s camp was targeting a March 15 home game against New Orleans to rejoin the team. Veteran ESPN sideline reporter Lisa Salters reported as much during a nationally broadcast March 10 game at Oklahoma City.

Yet Leonard did not play in the game against the Pelicans. Two nights later, he remained out against Minnesota, sparking the ill-fated team meeting afterward.
Nothing had changed, and things were about to get worse.


Sticks and stones

On the morning of March 21, Leonard slipped on a Spurs uniform for the first time in more than two months.
It would also be the last time.

Leonard was on hand for the annual team photo at the AT&T Center. He left not long after it was snapped, as the rest of the squad went through shootaround in preparation for that night’s game against Washington.

Having been stung by the false hope that Leonard had seemingly been ready to return days earlier, veteran guard Manu Ginobili said the rest of the Spurs needed to approach the remainder of the schedule as if their best player was not going to be around.

“We’ve got to think that he’s not coming back,” Ginobili said, “that we are who we are, that we’ve got to go fight without him.”

Ginobili said something else that day that hinted at the frustration teammates felt from Leonard’s prolonged absence from the locker room.

“The bulk of the camaraderie is pregame, postgames and halftimes, when you are going through some adversity or trouble,” Ginobili said. “And he is not with us most of the time. You have to make an effort to be around and still be a part of the everyday topics. … You have to make an effort.”

Two days later, Parker — the ringleader of the players-only meeting — fired what Leonard’s camp considered another shot across the bow.

Asked about the trouble Leonard had experienced getting back on the court, Parker expressed sympathy, noting the ruptured quadriceps tendon he himself had suffered in the playoffs the season before and the difficulty of his own rehab.

“I’ve been through it,” said Parker, who has signed to play in Charlotte next season. “It was a rehab for me for eight months. Same kind of injury, but mine was 100 times worse. You just stay positive.”

Parker’s quote was mostly innocuous, except for three words.

Leonard’s representatives took issue with the phrase “100 times worse.” They were furious, believing the Spurs point guard was questioning Leonard’s commitment to returning.
Three days afterward, Leonard was on his way back to New York.

With emotions already raw, Leonard and his camp were further inflamed on April 1, when Popovich shrugged as reporters asked if the All-Star was at last near his long-awaited return.
“I don’t know when he and his group are going to feel like they are ready to go,” Popovich said. “If I knew, he would be here.”

What Popovich was saying, however, was true. Two weeks before the start of the playoffs, he was as in the dark about Leonard’s status as anyone else.


The end becomes official

Behind the scenes, Popovich and general manager R.C. Buford worked hard through the spring and early summer to mend fences with Leonard and his camp.

They had a trump card in their pocket. The Spurs were the only team who could offer Leonard a five-year, $221 million contract extension this summer. If traded, he would be ineligible for that hefty payday.

On June 15, Leonard’s representatives let it be known he would like to be moved anyway, with the Los Angeles Lakers as his preferred destination. Two days after that, Popovich was on a plane to Leonard’s home in San Diego for a long-scheduled meeting with his prodigal superstar, hoping to repair the relationship.

Popovich has not revealed what was said at the sit-down in San Diego, but afterward the Spurs began listening to trade offers leading to the June 21 draft.

“While none of us would wish we are where we are, we are going to do what we can to build the best relationship we can with him,” Buford said after the draft with Leonard still on the roster. “We will explore all of our options, but the first one would be to keep Kawhi as part of our group.”

Almost a month later to the day Friday, Leonard was in Toronto to take a physical examination and meet staffers from his new team.

The Raptors posted a photo of Leonard with Ujiri on their official Twitter account. Leonard was kind of, sort of smiling.


Unanswered questions

When it comes to the mystery of what exactly happened between the Spurs and their erstwhile franchise player, only one man knows for sure.
Leonard, so far, is not talking.

He did not meet with the media in Toronto during his visit Friday. He has not spoken in a public setting since early March, when he gave half-hearted assurances that he wanted to remain a Spur for life.

It could be some time before San Antonio has a satisfying answer for why a player everyone assumed would carry the city’s proud NBA franchise to future glory is now set to ply his trade in Canada.

The task of keeping Leonard and his team happy belongs to the Raptors now. Leonard can opt out of his contract after the 2018-19 season and become an unrestricted free agent. Many NBA observers expect he will take that opportunity to bolt for his hometown Lakers.

Don’t expect a public autopsy coming out of the Spurs’ front office any time soon, either. Under Popovich’s direction, the team has issued a “no-looking-back” edict.
On June 21, nearly a month before the Spurs would at last execute the trade that would cut ties with Leonard, Buford uttered the words that would come to summarize the premature end to the All-Star’s era in San Antonio.

Said Buford, “I think all of us would wish that things would have gone differently at times.”

BatManu20
07-21-2018, 11:28 PM
Long one. But worth a read. Breaks down the timeline of the events lading up to the trade.

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SpursforSix
07-21-2018, 11:47 PM
Thanks for posting. Article sums it all up.

tmtcsc
07-21-2018, 11:54 PM
Why doesn't Jeff just start telling what he knows ? What did the voices inside the locker room sound like when Kawhi felt 'ambushed' ? Was it an ambush or was it polite ? Michael C. Wright was man enough to come clean on what he knew, why can't the local hacks do the same?

Marcus Bryant
07-21-2018, 11:57 PM
tl;dr

Bitch held out and got paid a full season's pay for 9 games, even playing hide and go seek to hide the fact he could play.

Marcus Bryant
07-21-2018, 11:58 PM
SA media is the worst. Dude committed fraud, was paid $20 mil regardless.

BWS-1994
07-21-2018, 11:59 PM
:depressed

Marcus Bryant
07-22-2018, 12:03 AM
Karma's a bitch. When it strikes don't cheer too loudly.

playblair
07-22-2018, 12:05 AM
if this came down to spurs being cheap & fan support (empty seats) :bang:bang:bang



The first cracks in the low-maintenance veneer came in 2016, when Leonard made his first All-Star game — in Toronto of all places.

Leonard and his traveling companions noticed other All-Stars — notably Oklahoma City point guard Russell Westbrook — were using private luxury cars to get around, instead of the standard transportation provided by the NBA. They wanted the star treatment, too.

Leonard’s trip to China in August of 2017 seemed to spark another change in him. Everywhere he went on the NBA ambassador junket, Leonard was mobbed by fans wearing his jersey and other Spurs gear.

“I was surprised at how many Spurs fans there were, for me not ever going out there,” Leonard said upon his return stateside. “It’s just shocking to see how big they support the NBA.”

SpursDynasty85
07-22-2018, 12:05 AM
Good summary of national headlines but this is not true insider stuff imo. Pretty mainstream stuff we have all heard already.

Marcus Bryant
07-22-2018, 12:09 AM
Rather piss poor article. What about the motivations of Leonard's representation? What really was said about him being a bitch and not playing when he could?

Marcus Bryant
07-22-2018, 12:11 AM
if this came down to spurs being cheap & fan support (empty seats) :bang:bang:bang

You're the only tard who read that that way.

Marcus Bryant
07-22-2018, 12:13 AM
Spurs paid for his second opinion, let him take it slow when he actually played.

Keepin' it real
07-22-2018, 12:18 AM
Nothing new here. -- spurstalk

BWS-1994
07-22-2018, 12:18 AM
Spurs paid for his second opinion, let him take it slow when he actually played.

Yeah, that was surprising. Is it common practice or the Spurs just decided to do so?

DMC
07-22-2018, 12:19 AM
Short read:

No one really knows because neither side told anyone anything, so it's speculation like piecing a cold case together or looking for Noah's Ark.

gospursgojas
07-22-2018, 12:19 AM
if this came down to spurs being cheap & fan support (empty seats) :bang:bang:bang

Someone else blaming everyone/thing else other than his shyness, muteness, lack of social media, and overall awkwardness for his un-marketability.

wildbill2u
07-22-2018, 12:19 AM
Good time synopsis. But everyone knows the pieces and events. What seems unfathomable is the motive behind the break. I can't believe that Kwahi had that great a time growing up in the hood in balmy California where he lost his father. And Kwahi, like VC Charlie, don't surf. I'm guessing he bought into being the next black superstar zillionaire like a LeBron, Jordan or Magic as a goal with BB as the vehicle.

One thing those men have that Kwahi has yet to show, is the personality and public persona to pull it off.

BillMc
07-22-2018, 12:20 AM
if this came down to spurs being cheap & fan support (empty seats) :bang:bang:bang

Don't agree. You make 20 million. If you want a limo, rent it yourself.

Marcus Bryant
07-22-2018, 12:21 AM
What a worthless read. Half of SpursTalk could've written a better piece and that includes ducks.

TekXX
07-22-2018, 12:21 AM
Basically i think the players caught wind that he was playing the team and his mute ass couldn't defend his action in this players only meeting.

spursparker9
07-22-2018, 12:23 AM
No new stuff in this article.

Still a weird dude, headcase.

blizz
07-22-2018, 12:25 AM
I wanna know the rest of the stories that Michael C Wright said he would tell once he was traded. Cmon Michael. Spill it!

BillMc
07-22-2018, 12:26 AM
I wanna know the rest of the stories that Michael C Wright said he would tell once he was traded. Cmon Michael. Spill it!

Yeah, me too.

benefactor
07-22-2018, 12:31 AM
What a faggot

Bye...have fun in the cold tbh

DMC
07-22-2018, 12:31 AM
What a faggot

Bye...have fun in the cold tbh

:lol The polar bear klaw

benefactor
07-22-2018, 12:32 AM
:lol The polar bear klaw
:lol

Marcus Bryant
07-22-2018, 12:36 AM
Rent a fucking limo if you like how Westbrook rolls. WTF?

Marcus Bryant
07-22-2018, 12:45 AM
Dumbass SA media worried about how traded player thinks about what they write.

playblair
07-22-2018, 12:48 AM
Rent a fucking limo if you like how Westbrook rolls. WTF?

he lead the team to a title & 2 finals appearances if okc can treat westbrook like a superstar no reason spurs cant treat a top3 player the same

UnWantedTheory
07-22-2018, 12:55 AM
he lead the team to a title & 2 finals appearances if okc can treat westbrook like a superstar no reason spurs cant treat a top3 player the same

No reason why either shouldn't pay for the fucking limo themselves.

Arcadian
07-22-2018, 12:59 AM
:lol Spurs trading one mental disorder for another...from autism to depression

MannyIsGod
07-22-2018, 01:03 AM
SA media has been fucking awful since Ludden left. If you'e read anything on Spurstalk this article is a waste of time.

Spursfanfromafar
07-22-2018, 01:05 AM
Wow..sa express..Sitting in India, I know far more than what your article "revealed"!!

Kori Ellis
07-22-2018, 01:05 AM
Synopsis: blah, blah ... we don't know what really happened ... blah, blah... and probably never will ... blah

timvp
07-22-2018, 01:14 AM
Damn, that title had me excited McDonald would actually spill the beans. Turned out to be a generic rehash. :td

dbreiden83080
07-22-2018, 01:18 AM
The Spurs did absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong. 100% blame falls at the feet of Leonard. When you refuse to communicate with your team, basically refused to communicate with the entire organization, you open yourself up to criticism. The people in the organization questioning what the hell is going on? You have no right to have a hissy fit when people begin to question what exactly is the problem? He is a fucking pussy and a quitter. Every team in the league would react the same way the Spurs did. It is 100% his responsibility and his fault.

ElNono
07-22-2018, 01:22 AM
Don’t expect a public autopsy coming out of the Spurs’ front office any time soon, either. Under Popovich’s direction, the team has issued a “no-looking-back” edict.

And of course, Jeff being the great investigative reporter that he is, will settle with that and move along :lol

dbreiden83080
07-22-2018, 01:22 AM
he lead the team to a title & 2 finals appearances if okc can treat westbrook like a superstar no reason spurs cant treat a top3 player the same

Leonard did not lead the Spurs anywhere. Are you fucking kidding me? That was Tim Duncan’s team. That was Tim Duncan’s locker room. 2013 it was an Allen missed three pointer away from Tim Duncan winning another finals MVP. The 2014 finals he did well, but it is not like he put up mind boggling stats. He was still living in the shadows of one of the greatest players that ever picked up a basketball. When it was his team. He fell apart like a complete coward.

rj215
07-22-2018, 01:42 AM
McDonald's such a condescending douchebag on Twitter, especially when informed fans call him out on his bullshit. He'll never criticize PATFO because they're the only show in town and he needs them more than they need him.

dbestpro
07-22-2018, 01:53 AM
It all fell apart when uncle Dennis decided he wanted to open a marketing company and use KL as his model client.

DMC
07-22-2018, 02:01 AM
Don’t expect a public autopsy coming out of the Spurs’ front office any time soon, either. Under Popovich’s direction, the team has issued a “no-looking-back” edict.

And of course, Jeff being the great investigative reporter that he is, will settle with that and move along :lol

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99 Problems
07-22-2018, 02:44 AM
But won’t he be back in time for the first game against Golden State, oh, hang on a moment.

therealtruth
07-22-2018, 03:39 AM
If I understand correctly the reason the relationship fell apart is because TP said his injury was 100 times worse and Ginobili said he needed to be around the team and Pop said he didn't know when he's coming back. That makes no sense. There was no relationship if that's the case. That makes no sense that those events are enough for him to demand a trade to the Lakers. Obviously the relationship between him and PATFO failed.
I am not buying that it's all Uncle Denis wanting a larger market. If Kawhi was OK with PATFO that wouldn't have been an issue. I think part of it has to do with Pop's control culture. I heard a while back that he wanted some changes if he was going to stay.

therealtruth
07-22-2018, 03:45 AM
Don’t expect a public autopsy coming out of the Spurs’ front office any time soon, either. Under Popovich’s direction, the team has issued a “no-looking-back” edict.

And of course, Jeff being the great investigative reporter that he is, will settle with that and move along :lol

Yes the full story has not come out. There's more to story than what's come out. That might also be why Kawhi might have wanted out. Pop's controlled the media narrative to put KL in a negative spotlight. He's got all the reporters afraid to speak out.

rasuo214
07-22-2018, 03:45 AM
Leonard did not lead the Spurs anywhere. Are you fucking kidding me? That was Tim Duncan’s team. That was Tim Duncan’s locker room. 2013 it was an Allen missed three pointer away from Tim Duncan winning another finals MVP. The 2014 finals he did well, but it is not like he put up mind boggling stats. He was still living in the shadows of one of the greatest players that ever picked up a basketball. When it was his team. He fell apart like a complete coward.

I know it's easy to shit on Kawhi now but a Kawhi led team went to the WCF (only season without TD) and was up 20+ before he got hurt. That was with a shit supporting cast most of the season.

99 Problems
07-22-2018, 06:07 AM
I think in time we may hear more about

1. The super max, and something like

2. Some type of power play attempt to have Pop replaced.

might be wrong but wouldn’t be surprised.

AaronY
07-22-2018, 06:15 AM
Fucking sad shit is what it is. Were so cosmically irrelevant w/o him

acoelho1
07-22-2018, 06:49 AM
So much for investigative reporting. Let’s just regurgitate the info that already has been reported.

vander
07-22-2018, 06:55 AM
Why doesn't Jeff just start telling what he knows ? What did the voices inside the locker room sound like when Kawhi felt 'ambushed' ? Was it an ambush or was it polite ? Michael C. Wright was man enough to come clean on what he knew, why can't the local hacks do the same?

yeah, I didn't see anything in the article that any ST'er didn't already know. but he gets paid for writing it.

hopefully the 30 for 30 people can get some answers

JPB
07-22-2018, 07:24 AM
Wow..sa express..Sitting in India, I know far more than what your article "revealed"!!

you have Internet in India ?

Perry Mason
07-22-2018, 07:28 AM
I’m firmly with PAFTO on this, and the emerging facts such as Kawhi’s “posse” (lol) wanting the Spurs to provide diva treatment are plausible. But, I also feel like they probably didn’t try very hard. Spurs have their methods, and when the posse wasn’t immediately catered to, they probably started putting the poison in Kawhi’s ear like immature millennials who ghost people as a relationship strategy.

All that said, I think Pop owes us an explanation. The SA media must ask Pop and RC one question - what did Kawhi tell you were the reasons he wanted to leave? And then, do you believe them, or were there other reasons for the rift in your opinion?

The “no looking back” stuff is like Obama absolving the telecoms for violating federal law. It is absolutely appropriate for Pop to disclose, so the fans can have confidence in PAFTO that this fiasco isn’t on them. And, it’s appropriate because we buy all the tickets and Kawhi was a fan favorite.

We deserve an explanation from Pop, and Kawhi’s interest in privacy as to what he personally told Pop is FAR outweighed by the fans’ interest in the truth. And, Kawhi lost his right to that privacy when he pulled this move. You leave like this, you face consequences. Does anyone else feel similarly?

Immortal Spur
07-22-2018, 07:45 AM
All old news. Just putting the pieces together of a puzzle that has already been done.

venitian navigator
07-22-2018, 08:04 AM
I’m firmly with PAFTO on this, and the emerging facts such as Kawhi’s “posse” (lol) wanting the Spurs to provide diva treatment are plausible. But, I also feel like they probably didn’t try very hard. Spurs have their methods, and when the posse wasn’t immediately catered to, they probably started putting the poison in Kawhi’s ear like immature millennials who ghost people as a relationship strategy.

All that said, I think Pop owes us an explanation. The SA media must ask Pop and RC one question - what did Kawhi tell you were the reasons he wanted to leave? And then, do you believe them, or were there other reasons for the rift in your opinion?

The “no looking back” stuff is like Obama absolving the telecoms for violating federal law. It is absolutely appropriate for Pop to disclose, so the fans can have confidence in PAFTO that this fiasco isn’t on them. And, it’s appropriate because we buy all the tickets and Kawhi was a fan favorite.

We deserve an explanation from Pop, and Kawhi’s interest in privacy as to what he personally told Pop is FAR outweighed by the fans’ interest in the truth. And, Kawhi lost his right to that privacy when he pulled this move. You leave like this, you face consequences. Does anyone else feel similarly?

The only answer is :" My family decided I have to go in a bigger market because we all are gonna live better and make a much better amount of money...and I have to follow my family decisions"

spursparker9
07-22-2018, 08:06 AM
New details were probably:
1) Kawhi and his 'group' seeing Westchuck with his fancy car during the All-Star Game,
2) Kawhi and his 'group' surprised by how popular Kawhi is in China (and probably many other countries as well) despite that Kawhi did not visit them previously.

F7.
07-22-2018, 08:10 AM
This guys twitter timeline has a better rundown of what may have happened behind the scenes: https://twitter.com/BTAMLAND2323/with_replies
(https://twitter.com/BTAMLAND2323/with_replies)
Obviously might be a bunch of BS from a random on Twitter, but if you read his tweets starting from July 17 there's some pretty interesting stuff about Uncle Dennis.

r0drig0lac
07-22-2018, 08:49 AM
if he has a serious injury and his uncle has a sad end to life I will be avenged

TheGreatSantini
07-22-2018, 11:09 AM
Karma's a bitch. When it strikes don't cheer too loudly.

I fully intend to engage in schadenfreude at Leonard’s expense.

lmbebo
07-22-2018, 11:20 AM
This guys twitter timeline has a better rundown of what may have happened behind the scenes: https://twitter.com/BTAMLAND2323/with_replies
(https://twitter.com/BTAMLAND2323/with_replies)
Obviously might be a bunch of BS from a random on Twitter, but if you read his tweets starting from July 17 there's some pretty interesting stuff about Uncle Dennis.



What I gathered from some of this tweets:

1. Dedmon and J Simmons weren't brought back because they poisoned the locker room. They felt they were better than other people on the team and told that to the rest of the team (sounds like SJax too). More about playing and getting there numbers, money, etc. (no I in team). Spoke a lot to Kawhi. Telling him he was too good for SA. Getting that from his family/camp too. A lot of this got bad once Duncan retired. He kept shit in order apparently.

2. Uncle Dennis lobbied the Spurs to hire him in the front office in order to keep Kawhi in SA. Uncle Dennis been trying to create his own sports agency. Trying to get other clients ...


3. Kawhi showed up to a game last year and told team he didn't feel like playing with them.


4. Kawhi has always been fit to play, but shopped multiple doctors for 1 doctor to cover him to say he was injured. He quit on the team over the summer. -- this whole thing is confusing as well on the side about Spurs doctors first saying muscle contusion, then complaining of persistent pain, saying chronic tendinopathy.

dabom
07-22-2018, 11:22 AM
This makes it seem like Spurs Alienated him. Dude wanted to bolt way before last January. Jalen Rose called it. Anything afterward is just people reacting to Kawhi's actions.

bluebellmaniac
07-22-2018, 11:33 AM
It all fell apart when uncle Dennis decided he wanted to open a marketing company and use KL as his model client.

A summary of how it fell apart is wholly incomplete without an explanation of the motivation of uncle Dennis and the motivation of his new agent. That is the core of the tale.

Spursfanfromafar
07-22-2018, 11:35 AM
you have Internet in India ?

No. I sent that comment via pigeon post.

Namundy
07-22-2018, 11:47 AM
What I gathered from some of this tweets:

1. Dedmon and J Simmons weren't brought back because they poisoned the locker room. They felt they were better than other people on the team and told that to the rest of the team (sounds like SJax too). More about playing and getting there numbers, money, etc. (no I in team). Spoke a lot to Kawhi. Telling him he was too good for SA. Getting that from his family/camp too. A lot of this got bad once Duncan retired. He kept shit in order apparently.

2. Uncle Dennis lobbied the Spurs to hire him in the front office in order to keep Kawhi in SA. Uncle Dennis been trying to create his own sports agency. Trying to get other clients ...


3. Kawhi showed up to a game last year and told team he didn't feel like playing with them.


4. Kawhi has always been fit to play, but shopped multiple doctors for 1 doctor to cover him to say he was injured. He quit on the team over the summer. -- this whole thing is confusing as well on the side about Spurs doctors first saying muscle contusion, then complaining of persistent pain, saying chronic tendinopathy.






I have no basis to believe this person on Twitter, but I actually do and it would make sense. When things like this happen it's never because of just one thing. The combination of toxicity after Duncan left is alarming.

Keepin' it real
07-22-2018, 12:00 PM
I’m firmly with PAFTO on this, and the emerging facts such as Kawhi’s “posse” (lol) wanting the Spurs to provide diva treatment are plausible. But, I also feel like they probably didn’t try very hard. Spurs have their methods, and when the posse wasn’t immediately catered to, they probably started putting the poison in Kawhi’s ear like immature millennials who ghost people as a relationship strategy.

All that said, I think Pop owes us an explanation. The SA media must ask Pop and RC one question - what did Kawhi tell you were the reasons he wanted to leave? And then, do you believe them, or were there other reasons for the rift in your opinion

Antonio Daniels had an observation of Pop that no other former Spur has mentioned.

First, he was complimentary about how Pop evolved with the game -- from defense and low post play with 50 and 21 all the way to the "beautiful game". So Pop has adjusted on the court over the years to thrive for two decades. That part, everyone says.

But then Daniels said, Pop has not made any adjustments off the court. He treats players and runs things like he still has 50 and 21 in the locker room. He doesn't, so he needs to realize that and adjust his approach off the court to stay relevant. He also said when 21 walked out the door, the Spurs culture walked out with him.

Great take by AD that other former Spurs haven't had the guts to say.

therealtruth
07-22-2018, 12:03 PM
I’m firmly with PAFTO on this, and the emerging facts such as Kawhi’s “posse” (lol) wanting the Spurs to provide diva treatment are plausible. But, I also feel like they probably didn’t try very hard. Spurs have their methods, and when the posse wasn’t immediately catered to, they probably started putting the poison in Kawhi’s ear like immature millennials who ghost people as a relationship strategy.

All that said, I think Pop owes us an explanation. The SA media must ask Pop and RC one question - what did Kawhi tell you were the reasons he wanted to leave? And then, do you believe them, or were there other reasons for the rift in your opinion?

The “no looking back” stuff is like Obama absolving the telecoms for violating federal law. It is absolutely appropriate for Pop to disclose, so the fans can have confidence in PAFTO that this fiasco isn’t on them. And, it’s appropriate because we buy all the tickets and Kawhi was a fan favorite.

We deserve an explanation from Pop, and Kawhi’s interest in privacy as to what he personally told Pop is FAR outweighed by the fans’ interest in the truth. And, Kawhi lost his right to that privacy when he pulled this move. You leave like this, you face consequences. Does anyone else feel similarly?

Has Pop ever admitted blame for anything? I can't recall him ever doing so. Other coaches do it all the time and say they could have done things better or made mistakes. He runs a dictatorship and that probably contributed to Kawhi wanting to leave. He even keeps the media in step.

apalisoc_9
07-22-2018, 12:04 PM
Interesting.

No one likes to be ambushed.

Good stuff from Mcdonald.

DPG21920
07-22-2018, 12:05 PM
Has Pop ever admitted blame for anything? I can't recall him ever doing so. Other coaches do it all the time and say they could have done things better or made mistakes. He runs a dictatorship and that probably contributed to Kawhi wanting to leave. He even keeps the media in step.

Of course he has. What are you going on about? He literally just did it with LMA saying he was trying to over coach him. He’s done it before as well.

Pavlov
07-22-2018, 12:25 PM
Has Pop ever admitted blame for anything? I can't recall him ever doing so.lol this has to be a troll post.

Either that or you are completely ignorant of the LMA situation last year.

Which is it?

RD2191
07-22-2018, 12:30 PM
Interesting.

No one likes to be ambushed.

Good stuff from Mcdonald.

:lol

therealtruth
07-22-2018, 12:38 PM
Of course he has. What are you going on about? He literally just did it with LMA saying he was trying to over coach him. He’s done it before as well.

Sure he admitted blame for the LMA situation, which was a situation he created himself that alienated his star player. But I was contrasting him with coaches that much more readily admit mistakes. You can't say he's in that category.

Pavlov
07-22-2018, 12:42 PM
Has Pop ever admitted blame for anything? I can't recall him ever doing so.


Sure he admitted blame for the LMA situation:lol

Budkin
07-22-2018, 12:51 PM
Interesting.

No one likes to be ambushed.

Good stuff from Mcdonald.

Only reason he got "ambushed" is because the players found out what was really going on. Kawhi and group were totally fucking the team.

SupremeGuy
07-22-2018, 12:52 PM
Interesting.

No one likes to be ambushed.

Good stuff from Mcdonald.Done deal, tbh.

SupremeGuy
07-22-2018, 12:53 PM
Sure he admitted blame for the LMA situation, which was a situation he created himself that alienated his star player. But I was contrasting him with coaches that much more readily admit mistakes. You can't say he's in that category.Pop can't even come to grips with his bullshit ideology. He's the personification of liberal hypocrite. Do as I say, not as I do.

apalisoc_9
07-22-2018, 01:01 PM
Only reason he got "ambushed" is because the players found out what was really going on. Kawhi and group were totally fucking the team.

No one even knew his status. Make up your minds spurmfabs

Pavlov
07-22-2018, 01:04 PM
No one even knew his status.:lol that was the whole problem. Team Uncle hid KL and his status.

pgardn
07-22-2018, 01:40 PM
Best player on the team and he had zero friends on the team after 5 years?

Thats a problem.
Thats a people problem.

Add the other stuff in, and here we are.

Manu’s quote is the best concerning adversity creating bonding and leadership. Shared frustrations and overcoming them... KL not capable.

tbdog
07-22-2018, 02:03 PM
Antonio Daniels had an observation of Pop that no other former Spur has mentioned.

First, he was complimentary about how Pop evolved with the game -- from defense and low post play with 50 and 21 all the way to the "beautiful game". So Pop has adjusted on the court over the years to thrive for two decades. That part, everyone says.

But then Daniels said, Pop has not made any adjustments off the court. He treats players and runs things like he still has 50 and 21 in the locker room. He doesn't, so he needs to realize that and adjust his approach off the court to stay relevant. He also said when 21 walked out the door, the Spurs culture walked out with him.

Great take by AD that other former Spurs haven't had the guts to say.

Losing Duncan would change the team for years. Even Lakers have been dreadful since Kobe left. And he checked out 2 years prior. Bulls never really became anything after MJ, with a only a small glimpse with MVP Rose. What have the sixers done since AI? Twolves since KG? Suns without Nash? Jazz since Malone and Stockton, then Sloan? Duncan was relevant until the end and walked out. The Spurs should have imploded by now. They haven't. It does show that they have a finger on the pulse and no what's happening around them. Even the Leonard situation which was just bizarre on all accounts, they managed to get out of that one without it destroying the team. Watch the Cavs take a decade to be a team again.

daslicer
07-22-2018, 02:25 PM
This is what caused it to go wrong. Look at Uncle Dennis in this clip and how he handles Kawhi:

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Mr. Body
07-22-2018, 02:35 PM
Pop's locker room tactics have been correct. Of course Duncan's retirement impacted things severely. But having marginal players like Simmons and Dedmon playing for their own stats is incredibly corrosive. That's what transforms a good small market organization into just another Bucks or Kings, just a backwater of crap for ages on end.

Once Pop goes, I think the old regime will go, too, and there's little chance of the Spurs competing for anything. They were incredibly lucky to get Robinson, but then they had no secondary player who challenged him in terms of ego (Sean was a great fit). Duncan and Pop locked everything down. If you weren't in with the program, you had to go. Soon the Spurs will be just another wasteland.

ElNono
07-22-2018, 02:39 PM
Yes the full story has not come out. There's more to story than what's come out. That might also be why Kawhi might have wanted out. Pop's controlled the media narrative to put KL in a negative spotlight. He's got all the reporters afraid to speak out.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/026/651/believe.gif

superbigtime
07-22-2018, 02:40 PM
Kawhi is a complete asshole for putting his teammates in that position. Fuck him

bigfan
07-22-2018, 02:51 PM
No more navel gazing; fuck KL, lets see what the new team is like.

apalisoc_9
07-22-2018, 03:56 PM
The Spurs never embraced Kawhis superstardom.

He saw it in All-Star Games.

Maybe San Anntonio learns from this.

Pavlov
07-22-2018, 04:00 PM
The Spurs never embraced Kawhis superstardom.

He saw it in All-Star Games.

Maybe San Anntonio learns from this.We all learned at least one thing from this....

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1f62d36621309adc0acc302e5fb81fcf/tenor.gif

jjktkk
07-22-2018, 04:18 PM
Sure he admitted blame for the LMA situation, which was a situation he created himself that alienated his star player. But I was contrasting him with coaches that much more readily admit mistakes. You can't say he's in that category.

Move those goalposts. :lol

daslicer
07-22-2018, 04:39 PM
Pop's locker room tactics have been correct. Of course Duncan's retirement impacted things severely. But having marginal players like Simmons and Dedmon playing for their own stats is incredibly corrosive. That's what transforms a good small market organization into just another Bucks or Kings, just a backwater of crap for ages on end.

Once Pop goes, I think the old regime will go, too, and there's little chance of the Spurs competing for anything. They were incredibly lucky to get Robinson, but then they had no secondary player who challenged him in terms of ego (Sean was a great fit). Duncan and Pop locked everything down. If you weren't in with the program, you had to go. Soon the Spurs will be just another wasteland.

Robinson and Duncan were just special people with high character. Very rare your going to come across a superstar with the type of character both of those guys had. I just feel the reality of this league is 99 percent of stars tend to be divas ala Durant,Lebron, etc. As much as I dislike Curry I would say he's the real glue of the Warriors with him not being a diva but if he was that team would fall apart immediately. Donovon Mitchell is another guy who strikes me as a high character guy that could be a superstar down the line. You get the idea though that it's very hard to find a superstar with great character.

Mr. Body
07-22-2018, 04:42 PM
Robinson and Duncan were just special people with high character. Very rare your going to come across a superstar with the type of character both of those guys had. I just feel the reality of this league is 99 percent of stars tend to be divas ala Durant,Lebron, etc. As much as I dislike Curry I would say he's the real glue of the Warriors with him not being a diva but if he was that team would fall apart immediately. Donovon Mitchell is another guy who strikes me as a high character guy that could be a superstar down the line. You get the idea though that it's very hard to find a superstar with great character.

The glue of the Warriors seems to be Draymond. Curry being an alright guy (if a cocky dick) seems to work, and Thompson is a dutiful soldier. Durant is just a weenie crybaby. Kerr probably doesn't have to fuss with them much, but I believe Draymond Green is the guy there.

Budkin
07-22-2018, 04:44 PM
The glue of the Warriors seems to be Draymond. Curry being an alright guy (if a cocky dick) seems to work, and Thompson is a dutiful soldier. Durant is just a weenie crybaby. Kerr probably doesn't have to fuss with them much, but I believe Draymond Green is the guy there.

Draymond is the guy everyone loves when he's on their team and hates when he isn't.

Allan Rowe vs Wade
07-22-2018, 04:51 PM
the all star game saga is a good metapahor for kawhis spurs downfall

kawhi and his group decided the nba transportation wasnt good enough bc they saw russ had a limo
then they got miffed about the spurs advising kawhi to leave at a certain time for the game to avoid traffic
they thought they knew better and did their own thing and got stuck just like spurs warned
so instead of the nba vehicle or a limo, kawhi ends up walking .. in toronto

daslicer
07-22-2018, 04:52 PM
The glue of the Warriors seems to be Draymond. Curry being an alright guy (if a cocky dick) seems to work, and Thompson is a dutiful soldier. Durant is just a weenie crybaby. Kerr probably doesn't have to fuss with them much, but I believe Draymond Green is the guy there.

Draymond to me is not really the glue. When adversity strikes I see him melting and folding. To me he's the guy most likely not to be there long term out of their big 4. Warriors will turn on him when they are no longer winning. Curry is an arrogant dick on the court but he's not a diva. Curry paved the way for all of the Warriors success. From day 1 he was a team guy. I have read stories of how he reached out to guys like Bogut,Barnes,Green,Iguodola and established relationships with them when the Warriors were building their team. He was also willing to take a backseat to Durant which is something very few players would do.

SAGirl
07-22-2018, 04:57 PM
Don’t expect a public autopsy coming out of the Spurs’ front office any time soon, either. Under Popovich’s direction, the team has issued a “no-looking-back” edict.

And of course, Jeff being the great investigative reporter that he is, will settle with that and move along :lol
Yep. There won’t be a postmortem autopsy. Kawhi doesn’t speak either so it’s up to someone speculation and what Wright from EsPN reported.

One of the most revealing statements was made by Danny. He’s a teammate that was shipped off with Kawhi to Toronto and he said he still doesn’t know exactly what happened. If Danny doesn’t know, none of the teammates know. That’s between Uncle and the FO. And considering PATFO was kept in the dark about the injury, Kawhi was hidden, etc. One has to think even PATFO don’t completely understand wth happened.

daslicer
07-22-2018, 05:04 PM
Yep. There won’t be a postmortem autopsy. Kawhi doesn’t speak either so it’s up to someone speculation and what Wright from EsPN reported.

One of the most revealing statements was made by Danny. He’s a teammate that was shipped off with Kawhi to Toronto and he said he still doesn’t know exactly what happened. If Danny doesn’t know, none of the teammates know. That’s between Uncle and the FO. And considering PATFO was kept in the dark about the injury, Kawhi was hidden, etc. One has to think even PATFO don’t completely understand wth happened.

We won't find out what really happened up until probably several years from now when Kawhi is washed up. I think by then some people who actually know about what went down will come out with the truth.

picnroll
07-22-2018, 05:06 PM
If anybody spills the beans someday I expect it’ll be Parker. Some will say the perspective will be tainted but if he comes forth I’ll believe every word. Manu, TD, Pop ... nada.

SAGirl
07-22-2018, 05:26 PM
I think in time we may hear more about

1. The super max, and something like

2. Some type of power play attempt to have Pop replaced.

might be wrong but wouldn’t be surprised.
IMO Kawhi blames the Spurs for the injury and struggled trusting their medical personnel.

Once trust is replaced by blame and guilt nothing can go back to the way it were.

picnroll
07-22-2018, 05:32 PM
IMO Kawhi blames the Spurs for the injury and struggled trusting their medical personnel.

Once trust is replaced by blame and guilt nothing can go back to the way it were.

My take is Uncle and his agent manipulated Kawhitter into thinking Spurs mismanaged his injury and a bunch of other imaginary or exaggerated sheit.

Down Under
07-22-2018, 06:31 PM
The "ambushing", the Parker comments etc, were all moot points. Nothing was going to stop Dennis forcing a trade to LA. Not even sitting him out when he was healthy for close to 2 months. Kawhi could struggle in LA, not sure how he'd cope with the microscope over him all the time, day in day out.

lmbebo
07-22-2018, 07:20 PM
IMO Kawhi blames the Spurs for the injury and struggled trusting their medical personnel.

Once trust is replaced by blame and guilt nothing can go back to the way it were.

Problem I got is that he put blame on them, but only 1 out of 10 doctors disagreed with them ... that should say something as well.

MannyIsGod
07-22-2018, 07:23 PM
My take is Uncle and his agent manipulated Kawhitter into thinking Spurs mismanaged his injury and a bunch of other imaginary or exaggerated sheit.

This is far more likely. The Spurs have been at the forefront of player health for as long as I can remember. They and Pop were the ones that started the resting players trend. Pop has never risked player health for a game - even in the playoffs.

To say that the NBA's best franchise at handling health fucked up Kawhi is just so hard for me to believe.

ceperez
07-22-2018, 07:45 PM
The "ambushing", the Parker comments etc, were all moot points. Nothing was going to stop Dennis forcing a trade to LA. Not even sitting him out when he was healthy for close to 2 months. Kawhi could struggle in LA, not sure how he'd cope with the microscope over him all the time, day in day out.

I agree. That was a made up excuse.

Uncle Dennis wanted a bigger market.

The whole China trip wasn't a revelation. It was Uncle Dennis first attempt at exploiting Kawhi's marketing potential.

If there's any envy of other superstars, it's Uncle Dennis fanning those flames. Westbrook and Harden have cultivated enough of a unique personality to be in demand for advertisers. What's Kawhi done? Hell, the entire klaw idea came from Patty Mills!

spursreport
07-22-2018, 07:47 PM
Robinson and Duncan were just special people with high character. Very rare your going to come across a superstar with the type of character both of those guys had. I just feel the reality of this league is 99 percent of stars tend to be divas ala Durant,Lebron, etc. As much as I dislike Curry I would say he's the real glue of the Warriors with him not being a diva but if he was that team would fall apart immediately. Donovon Mitchell is another guy who strikes me as a high character guy that could be a superstar down the line. You get the idea though that it's very hard to find a superstar with great character.

Curry also took the full max without looking back (not blaming him though.)He isn’t humble in most capacity. He also seemed somewhat bitter in the background when he watched Durant take the Finals MVP from him this past June. :lol Next summer is going to be bad. Plus Draymond going after Durant was a subtle shot at Curry. :lol

daslicer
07-22-2018, 07:58 PM
Curry also took the full max without looking back (not blaming him though.)He isn’t humble in most capacity. He also seemed somewhat bitter in the background when he watched Durant take the Finals MVP from him this past June. :lol Next summer is going to be bad. Plus Draymond going after Durant was a subtle shot at Curry. :lol

I'm all for the Warriors ending up in disarray. I definitely feel they will fall apart once they are finally dethroned.

JPB
07-23-2018, 02:15 AM
you have Internet in India ?


No. I sent that comment via pigeon post.

You have pigeons in India ?

Spursfanfromafar
07-23-2018, 03:12 AM
You have pigeons in India ?

Seems like you dont have internet or pigeons where you are :). Google is your friend.

ceperez
07-23-2018, 09:11 AM
Uncle Dennis attends first meeting between Toronto and Kawhi

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250795/Dennis-Robertson-Attended-Kawhi-Leonards-Meeting-With-Raptors

Dex
07-23-2018, 09:23 AM
Uncle Dennis attends first meeting between Toronto and Kawhi

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250795/Dennis-Robertson-Attended-Kawhi-Leonards-Meeting-With-Raptors

LOL Have fun with Uncle Dennis, Toronto.

ceperez
07-23-2018, 10:44 AM
Masai Ujiri talks about Leonard and the Raptors: http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/20/masai-ujiri-toronto-raptors-addresses-kawhi-leonard-demar-derozan-trade

"“That’s my job. That’s why I am in this seat. To try to figure that part out. I’ve had conversations with Kawhi, his agent and his uncle and everything has gone well. I’m looking forward to meeting them.”

Is this even normal?

spursistan
07-23-2018, 10:45 AM
Uncle Dennis attends first meeting between Toronto and Kawhi

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250795/Dennis-Robertson-Attended-Kawhi-Leonards-Meeting-With-Raptors
Yeah have fun with that..

At least Lavar Ball is aware of his trolling act, this Uncle Dumbass actually thinks he could be the next Rich Paul :lol..

RD2191
07-23-2018, 10:46 AM
Masai Ujiri talks about Leonard and the Raptors: http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/20/masai-ujiri-toronto-raptors-addresses-kawhi-leonard-demar-derozan-trade

"“That’s my job. That’s why I am in this seat. To try to figure that part out. I’ve had conversations with Kawhi, his agent and his uncle and everything has gone well. I’m looking forward to meeting them.”

Fuckin old ass bum.

r0drig0lac
07-23-2018, 10:48 AM
Masai Ujiri talks about Leonard and the Raptors: http://www.nba.com/article/2018/07/20/masai-ujiri-toronto-raptors-addresses-kawhi-leonard-demar-derozan-trade

"“That’s my job. That’s why I am in this seat. To try to figure that part out. I’ve had conversations with Kawhi, his agent and his uncle and everything has gone well. I’m looking forward to meeting them.”

Is this even normal?

the players have more power than ever, so .. yeah

ceperez
07-23-2018, 10:51 AM
the players have more power than ever, so .. yeah

You mean player's uncles, not players.

r0drig0lac
07-23-2018, 10:53 AM
You mean player's uncles, not players.

fair

ducks
07-23-2018, 11:13 AM
Everything we now know about the Kawhi Leonard Saga (but wish we hadn’t asked)

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/7/23/17588318/timeline-kawhi-leonard-saga-san-antonio-spurs

dbreiden83080
07-23-2018, 11:25 AM
The only thing that I got out of that article was a constant refusal to play basketball on his part. He basically just stayed quiet and refused to play basketball. I would not be overly confident if I was Toronto or anybody else he is going to suddenly re-discover his fire to play the game. Something is seriously wrong with him.

Perry Mason
07-23-2018, 03:11 PM
Not to sound like a broken record, but why can't Pop just come out and tell us? He may not "know", but he can tell the fans what Kawhi told him. I understand the need to avoid disclosing any less relevant or embarrassing personal details to himself. But the meat of the matter is not entitled to any privacy.

Why does Kawhi's image or interest take precedence over the fans' interest? How many Kawhi jerseys did we have to buy to win that battle? How many interviews did we have to hear where Pop called Kawhi the franchise player? For it to be taken away so stupidly?

Think about it. Looking at this solely from the reporting by PAFTO, they have told the fans nothing. All the drama and background came from outside sources. The official PAFTO line is, we had a franchise player, he got injured and then we traded him. That's dogshit in terms of being fair to the fans. Just tell us Pop.

HarlemHeat37
07-23-2018, 03:18 PM
^^We would all like to know, but taking the classy route is a better move for the Spurs..they don't want to become an organization that looks like poison to other players, it's already tough enough to attract free agents, might as well get out of this fresh and portraying a pro-player attitude..

Walking away from this without any bitterness + taking in the "betrayed" DeRozan and making him feel welcome will be a big move for the Spurs to aid their image in the eyes of those with an agenda against them..

I'm sure Parker and/or Manu will drop bombs to a French/Argie reporter one day, anyways:lol

TD 21
07-23-2018, 03:40 PM
^^We would all like to know, but taking the classy route is a better move for the Spurs..they don't want to become an organization that looks like poison to other players, it's already tough enough to attract free agents, might as well get out of this fresh and portraying a pro-player attitude..

Walking away from this without any bitterness + taking in the "betrayed" DeRozan and making him feel welcome will be a big move for the Spurs to aid their image in the eyes of those with an agenda against them..

I'm sure Parker and/or Manu will drop bombs to a French/Argie reporter one day, anyways:lol

What's the difference? No "African-American" superstar or star (with the possible exceptions of native Texans) was or is coming here anyway and the rest mostly base their decision on a combination of money/fit/location.

What that scumbag did is literally the worst thing you can do in a team sport, which is abandon your teammates. This saga probably reinforced or cemented the perception the anti-Spurs brigade in the league had about them, but even to them I'd imagine that coward has to be the one taking the reputational hit.

Perry Mason
07-23-2018, 03:47 PM
^^We would all like to know, but taking the classy route is a better move for the Spurs..they don't want to become an organization that looks like poison to other players, it's already tough enough to attract free agents, might as well get out of this fresh and portraying a pro-player attitude..

Walking away from this without any bitterness + taking in the "betrayed" DeRozan and making him feel welcome will be a big move for the Spurs to aid their image in the eyes of those with an agenda against them..

I'm sure Parker and/or Manu will drop bombs to a French/Argie reporter one day, anyways:lol

Fair point. I do look forward to those inevitable bombs! But I wonder if there isn't some level of disclosure that can be made, that wouldn't poison the ability to attract desirable free agents that are otherwise Spurs-material. It's clear we won't be a destination for divas like Westbrook, the old Dwert, what have you. But at least for this Spurs fan, I don't want them.

In my personal view, Kawhi, influenced greatly (but not entirely) by his family, just grew tired of his employer and how they do things day-to-day, and the injury differences created additional adversity. So Kawhi acted like a stereotypical millennial and decided he wanted to promptly quit his job and ghost his employer; like so many of his generation with their McJobs. Except that those customs don't mesh well with NBA teams paying millions with grown-up contracts. I think Kawhi just doesn't have the maturity, wisdom or perspective to know better. He relies on his family's "judgment", for better or worse...

What's funny is that I do get it to some extent. Maybe the Spurs are cheap asses / micromanagers and could do more to let stars live star lives and have leeway. If that is true, maybe the Spurs could learn from this - not everyone shies away from the star treatment like Timmy or David. And I can see how fans don't get that because it isn't their daily lived experience.

But the trappings of success are important, even to the humble (or at least their families!). But the mature way to handle that is communication; not taking steps like Uncle D to cause a rift and burn bridges, but it's clear he had his own agenda.

DJR210
07-23-2018, 04:37 PM
Don't agree. You make 20 million. If you want a limo, rent it yourself.

Fuck a limo, he's got his 97' Tahoe

DJR210
07-23-2018, 04:43 PM
I'm sure Parker and/or Manu will drop bombs to a French/Argie reporter one day, anyways:lol

:lol for sure.. one day soon too I'd imagine

Keepin' it real
07-23-2018, 04:52 PM
Now I feel vindicated for how I pronounced his name all these years and encourage y'all to do the same.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q1B6shCq-k

Marcus Bryant
07-23-2018, 08:30 PM
LOL Have fun with Uncle Dennis, Toronto.

:tu Uncle D is setting an impossibly high bar for his nephew. At the end of the day, the Spurs found their limit and dumped him. To NBA Siberia. Leonard will need to perform at a MVP level for any franchise to want to put up with that stupidity.

Seventyniner
07-23-2018, 08:56 PM
I'm sure Parker and/or Manu will drop bombs to a French/Argie reporter one day, anyways:lol

Pop might ask them to wait until he retires, shouldn't be too much longer. This whole story will eventually come to light and Kawhi + uncle are going to look extremely bad.

KaiRMD1
07-24-2018, 02:30 AM
Whatever, the ol' sport and his uncle are just gonna make things worse for themselves in the long run.

ceperez
07-24-2018, 05:10 AM
:tu Uncle D is setting an impossibly high bar for his nephew. At the end of the day, the Spurs found their limit and dumped him. To NBA Siberia. Leonard will need to perform at a MVP level for any franchise to want to put up with that stupidity.

Uncle Dennis also mis-read why he's Kawhi is popular in China. He's popular in China because he plays for the Spurs. A team that is very popular outside the U.S.

KaiRMD1
09-15-2020, 10:55 PM
Uncle Dennis also mis-read why he's Kawhi is popular in China. He's popular in China because he plays for the Spurs. A team that is very popular outside the U.S.

Wasn't Dennis always just looking out for his own prospects? For ways that he grow his own business ventures? Either way, Kawhi choking yet again isn't a good look for him

daslicer
09-16-2020, 01:01 AM
:tu Uncle D is setting an impossibly high bar for his nephew. At the end of the day, the Spurs found their limit and dumped him. To NBA Siberia. Leonard will need to perform at a MVP level for any franchise to want to put up with that stupidity.

This still applies even though he was able to win with Toronto last year.

daslicer
09-16-2020, 01:02 AM
Wasn't Dennis always just looking out for his own prospects? For ways that he grow his own business ventures? Either way, Kawhi choking yet again isn't a good look for him

He wanted to create his own version of LRMR for Kawhi. IF you don't know what LRMR is it's the agency Lebron has his friend Rich Paul run.