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RandomGuy
07-24-2018, 10:10 AM
The Wall Street Journal had an interesting report a few weeks ago on the Trump administration’s perspective on a looming trade war: the health of the U.S. economy gives the White House some “leeway” to pursue the risky policies the president seems to prefer.

At the risk of over-simplifying, Donald Trump seems to be working from the assumption that even if his tariffs and related policies undermine economic growth in his own country, the economy is strong enough to effectively create a buffer. If his trade plans shave a point or two off the GDP, the argument goes, it still wouldn’t push us into a recession.

The president lent his voice to this posture in a CNBC interview the other day, making the case that the relative strength of the stock market empowers him to take risks with his trade agenda.

“This is the time. You know the expression we’re playing with the bank’s money,” he told CNBC’s Joe Kernen in a “Squawk Box” interview aired Friday.

The president has a big cushion. The S&P 500 is up 31 percent since Trump’s win on Election Day, Nov. 8, 2016, through Thursday. The market’s gain has slowed this year as the administration has implemented new tariffs on countries, with the benchmark index up 4.9 percent for 2018 through Thursday.

Trump added the market would likely be much higher if he didn’t escalate the trade issues with China and the rest of the world.

If you’ve ever wondered how Donald Trump managed to lose money running a casino, he occasionally helps answer the question.


Here’s the president’s pitch in a nutshell: Wall Street gains have generated a certain amount of wealth, which Trump believes puts him “ahead.” If his trade war prevents the stock markets from doing even better, it will mean less generated wealth, but it won’t wipe out all of the previous gains.

Ergo, he’s “playing with the bank’s money.” No matter how bad things get as a result of his agenda, the gains probably won’t be wiped out entirely, which means he won’t fall “behind.”

Except this isn’t a responsible way to look at the debate. As Trump really ought to know by now, the stock market is not the economy, which makes this the wrong metric. To see Wall Street gains and losses as some real-time daily barometer of the nation’s economic health is absurd.

And even if the White House were to consider market gains as the only thing that matters, it’s not exactly reassuring for Trump to tell investors that he’s deliberately pursuing policies that he knows will undermine their returns. Indeed, he’s practically encouraging people to get out of the market.

What’s more, it’s not really “the bank’s money” the president is playing with; it’s our money. The more Trump’s policies have an adverse effect on the economy, the more real people will feel the pinch. (Banks, meanwhile, will be fine.)

How is it, exactly, that the president is going to tell a whole lot of struggling farmers that their plight doesn’t much matter because the S&P 500 gives him some “leeway”?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-odd-defense-his-trade-war-were-playing-the-banks-money

boutons_deux
07-24-2018, 10:16 AM
He's gambling with companies' profits and with Labor's jobs.

He's so fucking naive to think the wildly over-valued stock market is The Real America.

Fuck this 6-time-bankrupt loser asshole

leemajors
07-24-2018, 12:12 PM
http://kticradio.com/agricultural/meat-piles-up-as-production-grows-and-exports-slow/

Winehole23
07-24-2018, 12:16 PM
playing with ours too, $12 billion in emergency aid to farmers because, conservatism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-readies-plan-for-12-billion-in-emergency-aid-to-farmers-caught-in-trumps-escalating-trade-war/2018/07/24/7bec9af4-8f4d-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html

RandomGuy
07-24-2018, 12:45 PM
playing with ours too, $12 billion in emergency aid to farmers because, conservatism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-readies-plan-for-12-billion-in-emergency-aid-to-farmers-caught-in-trumps-escalating-trade-war/2018/07/24/7bec9af4-8f4d-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html

Conservative principles has become something of an oxymoron. Conservatives are doing things that would make their heads explode if they were done by Democrats under Obama. smh

KenMcCoy
07-24-2018, 02:43 PM
Conservative principles has become something of an oxymoron. Conservatives are doing things that would make their heads explode if they were done by Democrats under Obama. smh

Very few true conservatives anymore...anything to keep getting elected.

sickdsm
07-24-2018, 10:11 PM
playing with ours too, $12 billion in emergency aid to farmers because, conservatism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-readies-plan-for-12-billion-in-emergency-aid-to-farmers-caught-in-trumps-escalating-trade-war/2018/07/24/7bec9af4-8f4d-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html

Can you explain what Trump has to do with conservatism?

Winehole23
07-24-2018, 11:56 PM
nothing that I can see, nevertheless soi-disant conservatives stand behind him 90%.

boutons_deux
07-25-2018, 12:19 AM
Very few true conservatives anymore...anything to keep getting elected.

like libertarians, they're ALL frauds anyway, totally against Lincoln's

"Government of the people, by the people, for the people,"

RandomGuy
07-25-2018, 10:57 AM
Can you explain what Trump has to do with conservatism?

He is showing how little conservatives value the principles that they profess to publicly.

sickdsm
07-25-2018, 10:48 PM
He is showing how little conservatives value the principles that they profess to publicly.

Gets mad that conservatives voted for a liberal. You should be happy. He was and always was a liberal. Liberal bad now?

sickdsm
07-25-2018, 10:52 PM
like libertarians, they're ALL frauds anyway, totally against Lincoln's

"Government of the people, by the people, for the people,"

Speaking of frauds...

Democrats in 1961: Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country

Democrats in today's world: Socialism good.

Pavlov
07-25-2018, 11:03 PM
Speaking of frauds...

Democrats in 1961: Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country

Democrats in today's world: Socialism good.Trump just doled out $12,000,000,000 in socialism yesterday.

boutons_deux
07-25-2018, 11:44 PM
Democrats in today's world: Socialism good.

democratic socialism IS good, so much better (eg, Western Europe) than America's predatory dog-eat-dog capitalism and inequality.

Chucho
07-25-2018, 11:48 PM
Speaking of frauds...

Democrats in 1961: Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country

Democrats in today's world: Socialism good.

Big difference in the Democrat that said that. JFK, for all his personal vices, was the last good president that actually cared about his people. Then LBJ and the modern DemoKKKratik party came to town to continue their historical hatred of everyone. No one out hates or outkills the Democratic party.

RandomGuy
07-26-2018, 07:11 AM
Gets mad that conservatives voted for a liberal. You should be happy. He was and always was a liberal. Liberal bad now?

Respectfully
This is one of your worse posts. I know you don't like me much, but your rush to find a critique should be tempered. You are capable of better.

1) Tax cut wasn't drafted and voted on by the liberal you are talking about.
2) It is conservatives who by and large have shielded, made excuses for, and kissed ass.

Trump isn't "liberal" in any sense, any more than he is "conservative".

"Stupid" is the word I would best use to describe the mash of nationalist, outdated worldview that he seems to act from, but given how much he lies, it is hard to tell what he actually believes.

RandomGuy
07-26-2018, 07:19 AM
Speaking of frauds...

Democrats in 1961: Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country

Democrats in today's world: Socialism good.

Histrionics over "socialism" are amusing when I haven't ever seen any self-professed conservative even define it, let alone be intellectually honest about it.

About all you can do is construct strawmen, or cherry pick about Venezuela, while ignoring every other indistrialized country with more socialism than the US with better standards of living, where people are healthier, happier, and more mobile economically.

Socialism is good, because it recognizes that risks and costs are common and collective.. I think the crying wolf about finding communists under ever rock is wearing thin.