Psychiatrist: Trump Mental Health Urgently Deteriorating

[RandomGuy]

"organically based cognitive decline"

He makes the same point I have made here, i.e. we have decades of Trump on tape, and the degradation in displayed cognition is obvious.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfnV4B7Fk7Y

[hater]

:lmao

[TSA]

OP has taken TDS to another level.

[boutons_deux]

I think Trash's syndrome will worsen fast if/when Manafort flips when convicted with Manafort seeing his prison time / $Ms in penalties, and cops a plea for cooperating with Mueller.

Then there's the NY AG looking into Manafort's finances, where Manafort's NY state income tax evasion, etc are not pardonnable.

Then there's Trash's CFO also as someone to be flipped, at fed and/or state level

[hater]

How much better would we be with Hilly carrying her shit and piss bags everywhere?

[spurraider21]

oh are we back to the diminished capacity bullshit?

christ

[DarrinS]

"organically based cognitive decline"

He makes the same point I have made here, i.e. we have decades of Trump on tape, and the degradation in displayed cognition is obvious.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfnV4B7Fk7Y

https://images.hellogiggles.com/uploads/2016/07/29035028/Hllary-Surprise-.gif

[boutons_deux]

oh are we back to the diminished capacity bullshit?

christ

... Trash is very ill

[Mikeanaro]

If that 4.1% US Growth makes him a retard, then what the fakk is going on inside Obangutan´s head?

[boutons_deux]

If that 4.1% US Growth makes him a retard, then what the fakk is going on inside Obangutan´s head?

economic growth has been building for 9 years, and has nothing to do with Trash

btw, consumer spending is up but household debt is at record levels, so people are spending on credit or hard cash?

[boutons_deux]

and I bet you rightwingnutjobs never credited Obama for economic growth and reduction in unemployment during his 8 years

[koriwhat]

... Trash is very ill

not as ill as you are... what asylum did you flee from again?


and I bet you rightwingnutjobs never credited Obama for economic growth and reduction in unemployment during his 8 years

lmao you want us all to suck the devil's dick with you? hahaha retard!

[RandomGuy]

OP has taken TDS to another level.

I think TDS is when people fail to give a serious look at cognitive decline and mental illness of the oldest person ever to hold the ability to launch nuclear weapons.

As noted in the OP, the decline in verbal ability is pretty clear based on video evidence. Feel free to look for yourself, if your TDS hasn't robbed you of the ability to see reality.

No skin off my nose.
.

[RandomGuy]

oh are we back to the diminished capacity bullshit?

christ

Sure. Never really went away, and appears to be worsening.

[Mikeanaro]

economic growth has been building for 9 years, and has nothing to do with Trash

btw, consumer spending is up but household debt is at record levels, so people are spending on credit or hard cash?
Lol giving credit to Obozo, then why Hilda lost if dems were so good?
Face it, blacks and women never got their rights, economy was a huge shit, national debt went from 9 to 20 trillion.
You can keep your doctor, giving money to Iran and Palestinians.
Also tax cuts are bad, Hilda wanted to raise taxes, would have been better for the average american pocket?

[RandomGuy]

[incoherent spluttering]

um... yeah.

[tlongII]

I think TDS is when people fail to give a serious look at cognitive decline and mental illness of the oldest person ever to hold the ability to launch nuclear weapons.

As noted in the OP, the decline in verbal ability is pretty clear based on video evidence. Feel free to look for yourself, if your TDS hasn't robbed you of the ability to see reality.

No skin off my nose.
.

Bullshit. You can't make an accurate diagnosis off of cherry-picked videos. Trump has already had a physical where he received a clean bill of health.

[Spurminator]

People tend to get dumber when they watch Fox News for 8 hours a day and spend the rest of the day on Twitter, tbh.

[TSA]

People tend to get dumber when they watch Fox News for 8 hours a day and spend the rest of the day on Twitter, tbh.

What happens to people spending that same amount of time on Wonkette?

[hater]

People tend to get dumber when they watch Fox News for 8 hours a day and spend the rest of the day on Twitter, tbh.

Add cnn and msnbc tbqh

An hour of Rachel Madcow probably kills a few thousand neurons

[Spurminator]

What happens to people spending that same amount of time on Wonkette?

They're probably angry and easily outraged feminists with a very narrow view of the world, and they may have short-term memory problems since I imagine they'd have to read the same articles several times a day to meet the 8 hour daily quota.

Any way, interesting you'd consider Fox News to be the conservative journalistic equivalent of Wonkette. I certainly wouldn't want a President live-tweeting Wonkette takes every morning, to say nothing of other news networks.

[Chris]

:cry he keeps tweeting :cry

[Mikeanaro]

um... yeah.
Yeah


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7jXwgN_UtA

[vy65]

I'd echo WH here: boy who cried wolf syndrome.

[RandomGuy]

Bullshit. You can't make an accurate diagnosis off of cherry-picked videos. Trump has already had a physical where he received a clean bill of health.

It isn't cherry picked videos. You can access the same 4 decades of interviews and statements I can.

I double dog dare you to do so. View his interviews in chronological order.

His twitter feed alone should be raising concerns.

[RandomGuy]

What happens to people spending that same amount of time on Wonkette?

Same invitation holds for you.

The information is all right in front of you, but your Trump Derangement Syndrome makes it so you can't even consider the question with anything approaching rationality.

[TSA]

Same invitation holds for you.

The information is all right in front of you, but your Trump Derangement Syndrome makes it so you can't even consider the question with anything approaching rationality.

They're probably angry and easily outraged feminists with a very narrow view of the world, and they may have short-term memory problems since I imagine they'd have to read the same articles several times a day to meet the 8 hour daily quota.

:rollin

[RandomGuy]

They're probably angry and easily outraged feminists with a very narrow view of the world, and they may have short-term memory problems since I imagine they'd have to read the same articles several times a day to meet the 8 hour daily quota.

:rollin

1023534604148518912

Do you think his poll numbers are higher than Lincoln's?

[TSA]

:lol pull yourself together RG this is pathetic

[spurraider21]

1023534604148518912

Do you think his poll numbers are higher than Lincoln's?
among republicans? could be

[RandomGuy]

:lol pull yourself together RG this is pathetic

1023534604148518912

Do you think his poll numbers are higher than Lincoln's?

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

Even chump not touching this one.

[SnakeBoy]

1023534604148518912

Do you think his poll numbers are higher than Lincoln's?

If they did polls back then Abe wouldn't have fared so well, so yes.

[SnakeBoy]

Even back then Democrats thought anyone who beat them must be dumb


Abraham Lincoln Was Actually Hated When President
by M.Admin | Jan 2, 2014

“I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.” —Abraham Lincoln, Letter to Horace Greeley (1862)
In A Nutshell

Abraham Lincoln is widely accepted as one of the United States’ best presidents. But while in office, many of the American people not only thought he was doing a horrible job but also considered him to be a complete fool. It wasn’t until his tragic assassination that he rose to the ubiquitous popularity he has today.
The Whole Bushel

When Lincoln took office in March 1861, he was entering a presidency he had won with only 39.8 percent of the popular vote. Reactions from the public were so negative that on the eve of his inauguration he had to be smuggled into the capital during the dead of night in a disguise. He was looked down upon for everything from his humble beginnings and lack of education to his awkward appearance and high voice. Even the commanding general of his armies, George McClellan, called him the “original gorilla.” (Gives a whole new meaning to to term “OG.”)

In 1861, Lincoln inherited a nation in crisis. With the United States on the brink of civil war, the American public was on edge and blamed Lincoln for everything going wrong in the country. Of course, Southerners hated him for trying to change the way of life they’d known for years. They resented him for trying to abolish slavery and declared their secession from the Union on February 4, 1861. But Northerners weren’t fond of him either, unimpressed with his slow start at the presidency. They expected him to being doing more and to be doing it sooner.

People even hated his speeches. The Gettysburg Address—now revered as one of the greatest speeches of all time and memorized by school children across the nation—was panned by many. One Chicago Times writer said: “The cheek of every American must tingle with shame as he reads the silly flat dishwatery utterances of a man who has to be pointed out to intelligent foreigners as the President of the United States.” Ouch.

Lincoln’s wife, Mary Todd Lincoln, said the constant deluge of insults wore on the president’s feelings, and Lincoln himself reportedly said, “I would rather be dead than, as President, thus abused in the house of my friends.” But he refused to take his criticisms too much to heart. Lincoln went on to win the reelection in 1864, and he led the North to victory when General Robert E. Lee surrendered and ended the Civil War on April 9, 1865. Lincoln was, of course, tragically shot by John Wilkes Booth just six days later.

Of course, Lincoln also had his supporters during his presidency, and his death was mourned by millions. But it wasn’t until his assassination that he had a true surge in popularity, sending him to the beloved status he has today. It was only then, as Edwin Stanton said, that he was relinquished to the ages.

[RandomGuy]

If they did polls back then Abe wouldn't have fared so well, so yes.

Man, you are letting him off the hook on this one?

An act of charity. I am almost impressed.

[Reck]

Ah Nothing like a snakeboi's retard take.

[RandomGuy]

Even back then Democrats thought anyone who beat them must be dumb

Wow that is more work than I have seen you do in a long time.

You ok?

[RandomGuy]

Ah Nothing like a snakeboi's retard take.


What type of ID do I need to buy groceries? I'm at the store and all I have is my birth certificate.

[tlongII]

It isn't cherry picked videos. You can access the same 4 decades of interviews and statements I can.

I double dog dare you to do so. View his interviews in chronological order.

His twitter feed alone should be raising concerns.

Whatever. It’s still bullshit.

[Chris]

RandomGuy trollin'.

[boutons_deux]

He Spoke Gibberish': Omarosa Says Trump's 'Mental Decline' Was So Obvious It 'Could Not Be Denied'

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/he-spoke-gibberish-omarosa-says-trumps-mental-decline-was-so-obvious-it-could-not

[boutons_deux]

There are TWO FACTS about Trash that his cult and the media refuse to admit

1. Trash has mentally deteriorated, emotionally unstable, verbally FUCKED UP, his mouth being connected to his fucked up brain.

2. Trash is compromised by Pootin/Russia. NatSec says Pootin continues, today, to cyber-attack USA, and Trash invites the attacker to the White House.

Sooner or later, these FACTS will be admitted by the majority of people,

while Trash's cult and Repugs will look FUCKING STUPID for supporting this wreck of a human being.

[koriwhat]

He Spoke Gibberish': Omarosa Says Trump's 'Mental Decline' Was So Obvious It 'Could Not Be Denied'

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/he-spoke-gibberish-omarosa-says-trumps-mental-decline-was-so-obvious-it-could-not

she couldn't even comprehend a simple "no" to her wedding plans at the WH and yet we're supposed to start listening to her bitter & jaded ass? lmao!

[boutons_deux]

More evidence, Trash is kaput, finished, totally fucked

During unhinged speech, Trump suggests he may still lock up Hillary and mimics MS-13 stabbings

The president smeared immigrants as murders and

called journalists "horrible, horrendous people."

he suggested he may yet lock up Hillary Clinton and smeared immigrants as violent murderers.

Trump focused much of his speech at Thursday’s campaign-style rally on immigration,

touting his border wall and

taking his familiar fear mongering about supposedly criminal immigrants to the extreme.

Trump disclosed that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh have been advising him (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1025166702454231040) :lol

to shut down the government unless he gets more than $20 billion in funding for his border wall before the 2018 midterm election.

Trump then lied about the wall, falsely claiming “we’re building it.” In reality, Trump hasn’t received any money to build the structure,

Alluding to a possible shut down, Trump said (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1025166237695987712), “we are going to start to get very nasty over the wall.”

referring to MS-13 as “slicers” and “animals” and mimicking the motions of a person being stabbed.

https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-wilkes-barre-speech-lock-up-hillary-clinton-mimic-stabbing-ms-13-dc61c843510c/

Bitch McC immediately retorted "no shutdown"

[boutons_deux]

Millions of Americans Denied Groceries After Failing to Provide I.D.

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5b61d3297f03a30b6ac582cf/master/w_1298,c_limit/Borowitz-Americans-Denied-Groceries-Failing-Provide-ID.jpg

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA —Millions of Americans were foiled in their attempts to purchase groceries on Wednesday after failing to provide the proper government-issued I.D. cards.

From coast to coast, food-seeking scofflaws were turned away from supermarkets, convenience stores, and fruit markets as they tried to circumvent the nation’s long-standing grocery I.D. laws.

“Given that Americans have been required to show I.D. to buy food for years, it’s amazing that people still try to get away with this,”

Carol Foyler, a supermarket cashier in Fresno, California, said.

“It’s always, ‘Oh, I left my food I.D. in my other pants,’ or some B.S. like that.

Believe me, I’ve heard it all.”

In Cleveland, Ohio, a man attempting to buy a loaf of bread, two yogurts, and a bottle of Fanta tried to use another consumer’s food I.D. to make the purchase, but was busted by sharp-eyed security personnel.

“It’s not just people using other people’s food I.D.s to get groceries,”

Harland Dorrinson, the store’s security chief, said.

“I can’t tell you how many fake food I.D.s we see in here on a daily basis.”

Dorrinson said that, although the nation’s food-I.D. laws have served it well, they

“need to go further” to prevent rampant abuses of the system.
“Requiring people who want groceries to have a food I.D. is a good start,

but there should also be background checks and a waiting period,” he said.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/millions-of-americans-denied-groceries-after-failing-to-provide-id (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/millions-of-americans-denied-groceries-after-failing-to-provide-id)

[Winehole23]

DJT doesn't know how to buy groceries.

lol

[RandomGuy]

Whatever. It’s still bullshit.

So Donald Trump, age 72, is somehow, among all human beings immune to mental decline from aging?

Yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

DJT doesn't know how to buy groceries.

lol


What type of ID do I need to buy groceries? I'm at the store and all I have is my birth certificate.

[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy trollin'.

So Donald Trump, age 72, is somehow, among all human beings immune to mental decline from aging?

Yes or no.

[Winehole23]

if DJT is too senile or too crazy to do the job, Mike Pence gets the ball rolling and Congress decides whether to keep him.

Face it, RG: diminished capacity is a political blind alley.

[RandomGuy]

if DJT is too senile or too crazy to do the job, Mike Pence gets the ball rolling and Congress decides whether to keep him.

Face it, RG: diminished capacity is a political blind alley.

Whether or not the president is competent is important, no matter what political party may, or may not benefit. We have the 25th for a reason.

It is worth considering seriously, and I am under no illusions that Pence would suddenly grow a spine.

[Fabbs]

He Spoke Gibberish': Omarosa Says Trump's 'Mental Decline' Was So Obvious It 'Could Not Be Denied'

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/he-spoke-gibberish-omarosa-says-trumps-mental-decline-was-so-obvious-it-could-not
Using Omarosa as a source?

FOH!

[Winehole23]

Whether or not the president is competent is important, no matter what political party may, or may not benefit. We have the 25th for a reason.

It is worth considering seriously, and I am under no illusions that Pence would suddenly grow a spine.it's a waste of time and energy.

[RandomGuy]

it's a waste of time and energy.

If I may riff on Mr. Leary two words:

Nuclear fucking weapons.

I disagree.

[101A]

Millions of Americans Denied Groceries After Failing to Provide I.D.

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5b61d3297f03a30b6ac582cf/master/w_1298,c_limit/Borowitz-Americans-Denied-Groceries-Failing-Provide-ID.jpg

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA —Millions of Americans were foiled in their attempts to purchase groceries on Wednesday after failing to provide the proper government-issued I.D. cards.

From coast to coast, food-seeking scofflaws were turned away from supermarkets, convenience stores, and fruit markets as they tried to circumvent the nation’s long-standing grocery I.D. laws.

“Given that Americans have been required to show I.D. to buy food for years, it’s amazing that people still try to get away with this,”

Carol Foyler, a supermarket cashier in Fresno, California, said.

“It’s always, ‘Oh, I left my food I.D. in my other pants,’ or some B.S. like that.

Believe me, I’ve heard it all.”

In Cleveland, Ohio, a man attempting to buy a loaf of bread, two yogurts, and a bottle of Fanta tried to use another consumer’s food I.D. to make the purchase, but was busted by sharp-eyed security personnel.

“It’s not just people using other people’s food I.D.s to get groceries,”

Harland Dorrinson, the store’s security chief, said.

“I can’t tell you how many fake food I.D.s we see in here on a daily basis.”

Dorrinson said that, although the nation’s food-I.D. laws have served it well, they

“need to go further” to prevent rampant abuses of the system.
“Requiring people who want groceries to have a food I.D. is a good start,

but there should also be background checks and a waiting period,” he said.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/millions-of-americans-denied-groceries-after-failing-to-provide-id (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/millions-of-americans-denied-groceries-after-failing-to-provide-id)

I honestly thought this was satire making fun of opponents of voter ID laws. It wasn't until I saw Boutons posted it I realized he thought this wasn't true, and was intended to shame those of us who consider voting to be an important civic duty for actual citizens. If you go to the store intending to pay with a check or credit card, but do not have ID. You will be turned away without food.

[RandomGuy]

I honestly thought this was satire making fun of opponents of voter ID laws. It wasn't until I saw Boutons posted it I realized he thought this wasn't true, and was intended to shame those of us who consider voting to be an important civic duty for actual citizens. If you go to the store intending to pay with a check or credit card, but do not have ID. You will be turned away without food.

Voter ID laws are driven by a myth. That myth was tested on court and found to be a fraud.

The guy that goes around selling that is, in essence a snake oil salesman. He pushes for laws based on his lies, then earns hefty legal fees defending the laws he gets rubes to pass.

https://www.propublica.org/article/kris-kobach-voter-fraud-kansas-trial


How the Case for Voter Fraud Was Tested — and Utterly Failed
From a new Supreme Court ruling to a census question about citizenship, the campaign against illegal registration is thriving. But when the top proponent was challenged in a Kansas courtroom to prove that such fraud is rampant, the claims went up in smoke.

[Pavlov]

I honestly thought this was satire making fun of opponents of voter ID laws. It wasn't until I saw Boutons posted it I realized he thought this wasn't true, and was intended to shame those of us who consider voting to be an important civic duty for actual citizens. If you go to the store intending to pay with a check or credit card, but do not have ID. You will be turned away without food.:lol the backflips you people do to protect someone who has never bought groceries in his life.

[RandomGuy]

I honestly thought this was satire making fun of opponents of voter ID laws. It wasn't until I saw Boutons posted it I realized he thought this wasn't true, and was intended to shame those of us who consider voting to be an important civic duty for actual citizens. If you go to the store intending to pay with a check or credit card, but do not have ID. You will be turned away without food.

FWIW:

Not really. No one asks for IDs any more, but the occasional trainee cashier. I would guess maybe once in the last 3 years.

[DarrinS]

I honestly thought this was satire making fun of opponents of voter ID laws. It wasn't until I saw Boutons posted it I realized he thought this wasn't true, and was intended to shame those of us who consider voting to be an important civic duty for actual citizens. If you go to the store intending to pay with a check or credit card, but do not have ID. You will be turned away without food.

Boutons hides the link at the bottom (for reasons unknown)

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/millions-of-americans-denied-groceries-after-failing-to-provide-id

[boutons_deux]

If you go to the store intending to pay with a check or credit card, but do not have ID. You will be turned away without food.

You need an ID to pay anything with a check, no ID required to buy food.

I've never seen me or anybody in front of me asked for ID when sliding a card in an POS machine.

[tlongII]

So Donald Trump, age 72, is somehow, among all human beings immune to mental decline from aging?

Yes or no.

WTF? Try again.

[RandomGuy]

WTF? Try again.

I am trying to figure out what assumptions you are using to so reflexively dismiss the potential for age related cognitive decline.


Trump Accuses California Of Causing Wildfires By 'Diverting' Water To Pacific
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-accuses-california-causing-wildfires-045205093.html


So I will ask you again, how have you eliminated the possibility that he has? Is he somehow immune to the effects of aging? Fill in the blanks.

[RandomGuy]

Trump’s War With the Koch Brothers Makes No Sense
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/trumps-war-with-the-koch-brothers-makes-no-sense/566894

[RandomGuy]

WTF? Try again.

He has deluded himself into thinking "there is no crime" is a good strategy for his collusion.

Whether Trump likes it or not, ‘collusion’ constitutes several crimes
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/whether-trump-likes-it-or-not-collusion-constitutes-several-crimes

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s War With the Koch Brothers Makes No Sense
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/trumps-war-with-the-koch-brothers-makes-no-sense/566894


It makes no sense for the Repugnant party, but for Trash , party is 2ndary to Trash's person, who is punching back at Kock bros for challenging "his" trade war, rather than caring for Kock Bros $100Ms spent on Repugs, esp on the Tea Baggers / Freedom Kockus

[tlongII]

He has deluded himself into thinking "there is no crime" is a good strategy for his collusion.

Whether Trump likes it or not, ‘collusion’ constitutes several crimes
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/whether-trump-likes-it-or-not-collusion-constitutes-several-crimes

Sorry, but psychiatrists don’t diagnose mental degradation from selected video clips.

[boutons_deux]

Using Omarosa as a source?

FOH!

she says she has "known" him for 15 years, she can see the degradation,

but we all can hear him talk coherently in Howard Stern, etc interviews from several years ago.

Trash is fucked in the head, fucked up emotionally.

[RandomGuy]

Sorry, but psychiatrists don’t diagnose mental degradation from selected video clips.

They can with hours of video tapes.

[boutons_deux]

They can with hours of video tapes.

1000s of tweets expose Trash's shit for brains

[tlongII]

They can with hours of video tapes.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/5/25/15680354/psychiatry-goldwater-rule-trump

[koriwhat]

1000s of tweets expose Trash's shit for brains

what's that say about your 65k+ posts here then? lmao you mentally ill retard.

[RandomGuy]

WTF? Try again.

Space. Force.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/5/25/15680354/psychiatry-goldwater-rule-trump


California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amounts of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire from spreading!

[RandomGuy]

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/5/25/15680354/psychiatry-goldwater-rule-trump


Governor Jerry Brown must allow the Free Flow of the vast amounts of water coming from the North and foolishly being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Can be used for fires, farming and everything else. Think of California with plenty of Water - Nice! Fast Federal govt. approvals.

They are called rivers. That is how rivers work.

You do understand this, yes?

[RandomGuy]

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/5/25/15680354/psychiatry-goldwater-rule-trump

aaaand lastly:

The entire profession is re-thinking that rule. Some are so alarmed that they have, in the case of the OP, set it aside entirely.

Two words:

Nuclear fucking weapons.

If you want to think that somehow Donald Trump is immune to the effects of aging, and doesn't need a formal, in-depth examination based on his observed behaviors, I would ask why?

[RandomGuy]

WTF? Try again.

The truth is under President Obama we've lost control of things that used to have control over. We came in with an internet, we came up with the internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much when you look at what ISIS is doing with the internet. They're beating us at our own game. ISIS. So we have to get very, very tough on cyber. I have a son. He's ten years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it's unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing, but that's true throughout our whole governmental society.

[boutons_deux]

"we are not doing the job we should be doing"

"govt IS the problem" according to Saint Ronnie the Diseased.

kind of joke back then, but Reagan was telegraphing the oligarchy's strategy to "drown govt in a bath tub", install political hacks at all director/manager levels, and defund govt into dysfunctionality.

The objective being to disempower govt, leaving the oligarchy's power unregulated, unchecked.

Trash's kakistocratic Cabinet, his (oligarchy's) budget achieves all of that, and the destruction continues.

Trash's "solution" to CA / Western wildfires is to permit more logging, more clear cut logging, and if the forests are virgin forest, even better.

Fuck nature for profit, it's totally disconnected from human life

[sickdsm]

If quoting dump things politicians said would be grounds for them being unfit, 3/4th of Congress would be out.

[Spurminator]

If quoting dump things politicians said would be grounds for them being unfit, 3/4th of Congress would be out.

Sounds good to me

[RandomGuy]

If quoting dump things politicians said would be grounds for them being unfit, 3/4th of Congress would be out.

Everybody says some dumb things from time to time.

At issue here, though is a pattern of cognition, readily discernible, from someone capable of extinguishing our species, should any potential mental illness drive him to do so.

Seems like we should have some standards of verifying that person isn't suffering from Alzheimers or similar, yes? He is 72

[boutons_deux]

If quoting dump things politicians said would be grounds for them being unfit, 3/4th of Congress would be out.

nobody's talking about all of Congress, primarily only about Trash's blatant mental degradation, probably helped by his garbage lifestyle.

His degradation is in a class by itself, unrelated to the shit uttered by Congress or judges.

[tlongII]

aaaand lastly:

The entire profession is re-thinking that rule. Some are so alarmed that they have, in the case of the OP, set it aside entirely.

Two words:

Nuclear fucking weapons.

If you want to think that somehow Donald Trump is immune to the effects of aging, and doesn't need a formal, in-depth examination based on his observed behaviors, I would ask why?

Are you moving the goal posts now? It sure seems like it. The link I provided (from liberal vox no less) backs my assertion up. Oh and by the way "Nuclear fucking weapons" is three words.

[RandomGuy]

Are you moving the goal posts now? It sure seems like it. The link I provided (from liberal vox no less) backs my assertion up. Oh and by the way "Nuclear fucking weapons" is three words.

"three words" is reference to a Dennis Leary comedy bit. Listen to the whole thing, get to the end. It's funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

No, I am not moving the goal posts.

Scientists mock Trump’s tweet on wildfires as ‘comedically ill-informed’ and ‘unmitigated crap’
https://thinkprogress.org/scientists-mock-trumps-comedically-ill-informed-wildfires-tweet-df7798d526d3/

[tlongII]

"three words" is reference to a Dennis Leary comedy bit. Listen to the whole thing, get to the end. It's funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

No, I am not moving the goal posts.

Scientists mock Trump’s tweet on wildfires as ‘comedically ill-informed’ and ‘unmitigated crap’
https://thinkprogress.org/scientists-mock-trumps-comedically-ill-informed-wildfires-tweet-df7798d526d3/

Yes, you are moving the goal posts. My original post in this thread was the following:


Bullshit. You can't make an accurate diagnosis off of cherry-picked videos. Trump has already had a physical where he received a clean bill of health.

The Vox link I provided specifically states that psychiatrists do not make mental health diagnoses in that manner.

[hater]

Oh and by the way "Nuclear fucking weapons" is three words.

:lmao

OPs mental health urgently deteriorating by each post

[RandomGuy]

Yes, you are moving the goal posts. My original post in this thread was the following:



The Vox link I provided specifically states that psychiatrists do not make mental health diagnoses in that manner.

Respectfully:
You are misusing the term "moving the goal posts". You may wish to read up a little on it.

And, as noted psychiatrists are very specifically re-evaluating the Goldwater rule, with the guy in the OP being one of the leading proponents.
https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-goldwater-rule-revisited/


The OP, that you do not appear to have watched addresses this.

[tlongII]

Respectfully:
You are misusing the term "moving the goal posts". You may wish to read up a little on it.

And, as noted psychiatrists are very specifically re-evaluating the Goldwater rule, with the guy in the OP being one of the leading proponents.
https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-goldwater-rule-revisited/


The OP, that you do not appear to have watched addresses this.

Moving the goalposts (or shifting the goalposts) is a metaphor, derived from goal-based sports, that means to change the criterion (goal) of a process or competition while it is still in progress, in such a way that the new goal offers one side an intentional advantage or disadvantage.[1]

I’m not a debate professional, but I’m pretty sure that’s what you did.

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump struggles with the concept of time zones, aides say (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/13/1787889/-Donald-Trump-struggles-with-the-concept-of-time-zones-aides-say)

Donald Trump, international businessman and world-class dealmaker, had to be dissuaded by aides (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/13/trump-world-knowledge-diplomatic-774801) from calling Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe in the middle of the night, Tokyo time.

This happened more than once.

Trump has also, in internal White House meetings,

pronounced the names of the countries Nepal and Bhutan as nipple and button, :lol

although he outdid himself by referring to Namibia as “Nambia” in public. :lol
But it’s when Trump’s aides are anonymously trying to defend him that things get really scary:

Trump did impress some of his own aides in the meeting, however. “He did a very good job of saying Cote D’Ivoire,” said one.


Oh, well, he did a good job saying the name of a country! A French name, no less. Three cheers for Trump! There’s a president for the ages. Trump’s aides also explained that he does understand the concept of time zones, for real:


A White House official sycophant! :lol

also says Trump, as a former jet-setting global businessman,

understands how time zones work :lol

but doesn’t dwell on such details when he wants to talk to a foreign leader.

“He’s the president of the United States. :lol :lol :lol :lol

He’s not stopping to add up” time differences, the official said.

“I don’t think anybody would expect him or Obama or Bush or Clinton or anybody to do that. :lol

That’s the whole reason you have a staff to say ‘yes, we’ll set it up,’and then they find a time that makes most sense.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1787889

[sickdsm]

what's that say about your 65k+ posts here then? lmao you mentally ill retard.

Lol

[RandomGuy]

If quoting dump things politicians said would be grounds for them being unfit, 3/4th of Congress would be out.

Space.

Force.

[RandomGuy]

Moving the goalposts (or shifting the goalposts) is a metaphor, derived from goal-based sports, that means to change the criterion (goal) of a process or competition while it is still in progress, in such a way that the new goal offers one side an intentional advantage or disadvantage.[1]

I’m not a debate professional, but I’m pretty sure that’s what you did.

okaaaay. What was the original goal. Then how specifically did I change it?

Just repeating your assertion doesn't actually outline it.

[tlongII]

okaaaay. What was the original goal. Then how specifically did I change it?

Just repeating your assertion doesn't actually outline it.

The original assertion, or goal if you will, was that psychiatrists do not make diagnoses by watching video clips. You moved the goalposts by making it about whether or not a 72 year old man is immune from the effects on aging.

[RandomGuy]

"organically based cognitive decline"

He makes the same point I have made here, i.e. we have decades of Trump on tape, and the degradation in displayed cognition is obvious.




The original assertion, or goal if you will, was that psychiatrists do not make diagnoses by watching video clips.

Factually incorrect. The OP said just the opposite.


You moved the goalposts by making it about whether or not a 72 year old man is immune from the effects on aging

That isn't a moving the goal posts, that was a leading question given to you with the intention of making you either say 1) that it is reasonable to worry about the mental facilities of a 72 year old man, or, more likely ignore the question entirely, as you know I am right, but don't want to admit it.

Well meant and freely given:

Moving the goal posts involves changing agreed on standards of evidence after one standard has been met.

Example:
Bob says that Charlie is much better at selling cars than Doug, because he just sold a fully loaded vehicle.

Edward points out that Doug has done the same thing this week, Bob now says Charlie is better at selling cars than Doug because he has sold many more sports cars.

Edward points out that, in fact, Doug has sold more sports cars.

Bob now picks yet another metric to "prove" his case.

[tlongII]

Factually incorrect. The OP said just the opposite.



That isn't a moving the goal posts, that was a leading question given to you with the intention of making you either say 1) that it is reasonable to worry about the mental facilities of a 72 year old man, or, more likely ignore the question entirely, as you know I am right, but don't want to admit it.

Well meant and freely given:

Moving the goal posts involves changing agreed on standards of evidence after one standard has been met.

Example:
Bob says that Charlie is much better at selling cars than Doug, because he just sold a fully loaded vehicle.

Edward points out that Doug has done the same thing this week, Bob now says Charlie is better at selling cars than Doug because he has sold many more sports cars.

Edward points out that, in fact, Doug has sold more sports cars.

Bob now picks yet another metric to "prove" his case.

Actually it is factually correct. It actually states so in the link I provided. That some psychiatrists are re-examining the policy is irrelevant.

[RandomGuy]

Actually it is factually correct. It actually states so in the link I provided. That some psychiatrists are re-examining the policy is irrelevant.


I have tried to explain my point simply, and give you a bit of well-meant help in this. You still don't quite have it right.

Respectfully:

You are obviously not quite understanding me here, and you are misapplying terms, and argument.

I will assume it is not intentional, i.e. not trolling.

Not sure what else I can do, other than keep making my case.

It is entirely relevant that there are dozens of psychiatrists who are signing on to a call for a remote diagnosis. It points to the severity and depth of the problem.

[tlongII]

I have tried to explain my point simply, and give you a bit of well-meant help in this. You still don't quite have it right.

Respectfully:

You are obviously not quite understanding me here, and you are misapplying terms, and argument.

I will assume it is not intentional, i.e. not trolling.

Not sure what else I can do, other than keep making my case.

It is entirely relevant that there are dozens of psychiatrists who are signing on to a call for a remote diagnosis. It points to the severity and depth of the problem.

Actually you're the one that doesn't have it quite right. I understand it completely. It is not relevant that a number of psychiatrists may be calling for a remote diagnosis. It goes against their charter. That is the relevant fact. My opinion is that they dislike Trump so much that they now would like to do something that they've agreed in the past as inappropriate (remote diagnosis).

[RandomGuy]

Actually you're the one that doesn't have it quite right. I understand it completely. It is not relevant that a number of psychiatrists may be calling for a remote diagnosis. It goes against their charter. That is the relevant fact. My opinion is that they dislike Trump so much that they now would like to do something that they've agreed in the past as inappropriate (remote diagnosis).

It's like you use words... but don't understand what they mean. It's bizarre.

They are calling for the charter to be actively revoked, and that makes it directly relevant.

There are active professionals in psychiatry who are willing to go on the record about the mental state of someone with the ability to end our species.[/I].


Yes or no, is the president's mental health important?

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/558169/story_image/trump-zombie.jpg?1530040286

[tlongII]

It's like you use words... but don't understand what they mean. It's bizarre.

They are calling for the charter to be actively revoked, and that makes it directly relevant.

There are active professionals in psychiatry who are willing to go on the record about the mental state of someone with the ability to end our species.[/I].


Yes or no, is the president's mental health important?

Is the Goldwater Rule still in place or not?

[ducks]

https://twitter.com/WiredSources/status/1030080310975684608?s=20

[RandomGuy]

Is the Goldwater Rule still in place or not?

Yes or no, is the president's mental health important?

[tlongII]

RandomGuy

Not sure why I can't quote you right now, but of course it is.

That is not the point though.

Is the Goldwater Rule still in place or not?

[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy

Not sure why I can't quote you right now, but of course it is.

That is not the point though.

Is the Goldwater Rule still in place or not?

The Goldwater rule was a self-declared rule on the part of psychiatrists.

Given that quite a few of those same people have said that it should no longer apply, the answer to your question is therefore:

No.

Now that we have agreed that the president's mental health is important.

How do we go about assessing it? Show him a picture of a camel?

Or something else a bit more in depth?

[tlongII]

The Goldwater rule was a self-declared rule on the part of psychiatrists.

Given that quite a few of those same people have said that it should no longer apply, the answer to your question is therefore:

No.

Now that we have agreed that the president's mental health is important.

How do we go about assessing it? Show him a picture of a camel?

Or something else a bit more in depth?

:lol

Now you're just lying.

[RandomGuy]

:lol

Now you're just lying.

Ok, then, let's walk through this, and see if it really is a lie. Bear with me here.

What is the Goldwater Rule? (in your own words, short, but as specific as you can)

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/558169/story_image/trump-zombie.jpg?1530040286

[tlongII]

Ok, then, let's walk through this, and see if it really is a lie. Bear with me here.

What is the Goldwater Rule? (in your own words, short, but as specific as you can)

It’s a rule the APA has that states it is unethical for psychiatrists to give diagnoses on people they haven’t examined in person. You can be kicked out of the APA for violating it. You know this so I’m not sure why you’re asking the question.

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s Mental Health is Worsening: ‘Pray For Our Country

The mental stability of the President of the United States (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/06/09/trump-bizarre-g7-press-conference.html)

has come to the forefront of the issues which must be discussed and addressed by the American people.

This morning MSNBC host Joe Scarborough once again raised the issue which urgently needs attention right now by tweeting:

“Anyone who has known Trump for years, and doesn’t have a stake in his political career or the GOP, says the same.

He is unwell and has been getting progressively worse over the past 18 months.”

Wehner wrote:

“Mr. Trump was emotionally/psychologically unwell when he became president.

His condition is clearly worsening.

He’s becoming more volatile, erratic and unstable.

At some point he’s going to blow apart.

When he does it’ll create a crisis.

This won’t end well. Pray for our country.”

she believes the president to be a man in “mental decline.” According to Omarosa

Trump would “forget from one day to the next.”

In her book (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/07/26/ex-trump-aide-omarosa-newman-pens-unhinged-white-house-memoir.html)Unhinged: An Insider’s Account of the Trump White House,she wrote:

“He was distracted, irritable, and short.

I was going over his speech, but he couldn’t retain any of the bullet points.

I went over them again and again, and

what he should say to the press after the event.

But he couldn’t remember the key points and

stumbled over the large words,

which we scratched out and replaced with simpler terms.”

This issue is taking on greater importance as

Trump continues to make irrational moves that seem both desperate and designed to consolidate his power.

In recent weeks he has been behaving in ways that are contrary to the U.S. Constitution’s structure of separation of powers.

He has also been trying to punish his critics for speaking out against him by taking away their First Amendment rights.

The more Trump is threatened by impending legal actions the more extreme his actions become.

It is imperative that this risk be analyzed and addressed.

As a nation we cannot afford to keep ignoring the obvious signs of mental breakdown on the part of our president.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/19/trumps-mental-health-is-worsening-pray-for-our-country.html

Not a partisan political issue, except that Trash's cult is about as fucking fucked up as he is.

[RandomGuy]

It’s a rule the APA has that states it is unethical for psychiatrists to give diagnoses on people they haven’t examined in person. You can be kicked out of the APA for violating it. You know this so I’m not sure why you’re asking the question.

So you have an ethical standard, and debate about the limits of that ethical standard, i.e. "duty to warn".

When does the danger someone might pose cause an ethical duty to warn?

[101A]

https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2017.11b13

The Dangerous Case of Psychiatrists Writing About the POTUS’s Mental HealthJEFFREY LIEBERMAN (https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2017.11b13#)
M.D.



Published Online:15 Nov 2017https://doi.org/10.1176/appi.pn.2017.11b13


(https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2017.11b13#)
(https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2017.11b13#)
(https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2017.11b13#)
(https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2017.11b13#)



https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/na101/home/literatum/publisher/app/journals/content/pn/2017/pn.2017.52.issue-22/appi.pn.2017.11b13/20171218/images/medium/jeffrey_lieberman.pngThe Dangerous Case of Donald Trump (St. Martin’s Press, 2017) was recently published with great fanfare and much attention. The book consists of 24 chapters, most of which offer clinical opinions of President Trump. It was edited by a Yale psychiatrist, Bandy Lee, M.D., and a group of psychiatrists, analysts, and therapists.
While I can certainly understand how concerned citizens would react to Mr. Trump’s unconventional and often offensive behavior by expressing their discomfort and disapproval, it is not acceptable for psychiatrists to publicly proclaim diagnoses and proffer clinical opinions of the POTUS, as this violates a key principle of psychiatry and our professional ethics.
Because I’m on record supporting adherence to the Goldwater Rule (see https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/contributor/jeffrey-a-lieberman-md), I was accorded the dubious honor of debating the authors on the evening of October 16 in the Uris Auditorium of the Weil-Cornell Medical College. I accepted with no small degree of ambivalence, knowing that the audience of mental health professionals would likely not be sympathetic to my position. Yet it is this position, which I firmly believe, that APA has espoused, not because it is a stodgy, establishment organization, but because it is advocating principled and responsible professional conduct.
I began my remarks with a disclaimer of sorts, revealing that I had been an advisor to Secretary Clinton’s campaign for mental health policy and contributed to her mental health agenda. I was present at the Javits Center on election night for what we all expected to be a historic celebratory event. Seated next to the stage, I witnessed the euphoric and optimistic throng metamorphose into a funereal experience as the results poured in, shattering hopes of what might have been.
Since then, I have been among the many who are shocked and saddened by President Trump’s behavior and can well understand the impulse toward protest and activism that motivated Dr. Lee and her colleagues to formally express their views in this book. However, as a physician and psychiatrist, I cannot condone and must strongly criticize these actions as unprofessional, unethical, and irresponsible.
I embrace the First Amendment and subscribe to Voltaire’s famous quote: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” However, the matter of Donald Trump’s mental status is different from the Vietnam War, the civil rights movement, or abortion rights in which physicians have historically expressed their strong support for social justice. In opining on the POTUS’s mental health, we are using our professional credentials to express a medical opinion when we have neither the right nor the evidence to do so.
Psychiatry’s history is marked by too many missteps in the past to allow itself to be drawn into an exercise of political partisanship, disguised as patriotism, that risks eroding the credibility of our profession. We have infamously been involved, unwittingly or knowingly, in human rights abuses in countries across the world when the definitions of mental disease were manipulated to include political dissidents and civil disobedience. Such instances are too numerous to summarize in this article, but among the most egregious were the collusion of psychiatry in the crimes of eugenics in Nazi Germany and political repression of the Soviet Union. We must be aware that psychiatry possesses a greater capacity for abuse than other medical specialties because it can be exploited to bypass standard legal and governmental procedures for establishing guilt, innocence, or competence and ostensibly legitimizes political action, even incarceration, without the odium ordinarily attached to such political conflicts.
The constitutional mechanisms for removing a sitting president from office consist of elections, impeachment, and the 25th Amendment of the Constitution. Elections reflect the will of the people; impeachment applies when the POTUS may have committed “crimes and misdemeanors,” and the 25th Amendment pertains to questions of presidential competence and consists of four sections.


Section 1 applies when a president is impeached from office, dies, or resigns, and then the vice president becomes president. The best-known example is Richard Nixon’s resignation and Gerald Ford’s succession as POTUS.

Section 2 applies when the vice president dies or resigns, as Spiro Agnew did when faced with charges of corruption.

Section 3 provides for the voluntary transfer of power by the president to the vice president when he/she is, or will be, incapacitated, such as when Reagan was shot, and other presidents have undergone medical procedures involving general anesthesia (even routine colonoscopies). When they regain capacity, presidential authority is transferred back to them.

Section 4 has never been invoked. It allows the vice president, together with a “majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments [cabinet secretaries] or of such other body as Congress may by law provide,” to declare the president “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office” by submitting a written declaration to the president pro tempore of the Senate and the speaker of the House of Representatives. In such instances, the vice president becomes acting president. Section 4 is meant to be invoked should the president’s incapacitation prevent him from discharging his duties, but he is unable or unwilling to provide the written declaration as called for by Section 3. When this is done, Congress has 21 days to decide the issue of competence and need for change.

In such a scenario, physicians and particularly psychiatrists almost certainly need to have a role. But their (our) role is not to initiate—that is done through the Constitutional mechanisms—it is to assist in the process as needed. To take clinical potshots and lob diagnostic grenades at the POTUS through the media is not the optimal course of action. To do so is to engage in partisan tabloid psychiatry, which harms our profession. Sadly, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump is not a serious, scholarly, civic-minded work, but simply tawdry, indulgent, fatuous, tabloid psychiatry.
As citizens and psychiatrists, we are entitled to express our opinions of the POTUS as a First Amendment right. However, when we draw on our credentials as physicians to render a clinical diagnosis with insuffient information and under unconducive circumstances as grounds for removal from office, we cross a boundary into an unprofessional, unethical, and perilous realm. Even though we may feel stirred to what may seem patriotic action, as were our colonial forebears, by Thomas Paine’s immortal words, “These are the times that try men’s souls,” we should do well to remember two quotes by oratorical geniuses: “Discretion is the better part of valor” (Falstaff in Henry IV) by William Shakespeare and Samuel Johnson’s rueful quote some years later, “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.” On such occasions, our best course of action is to exercise professional discipline and the forbearance to allow the constitutionally prescribed mechanisms to do as they were intended and in due course. ■

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"to allow the constitutionally prescribed mechanisms to do as they were intended and in due course."

:lol

That assumes that the "mechanisms" operate in good faith, pro-government responsibility.


the Repugs, party of racism, hate, paranoia, govt destruction, are the party of BAD FAITH

[RandomGuy]

Is the Goldwater Rule still in place or not?

You remember Hillary with the coal, right, sitting with the miners at the table? Remember? That wasn't so good for her. So the people of West Virginia and all over, you look at Wyoming, you look at so many different places where they just, Pennsylvania, where they loved what we did, and it's clean coal and we have the most modern procedures.

But it's a tremendous form of energy in the sense that in a military way, think of it, coal is indestructible.

You can blow up a pipeline, you can blow up windmills. You know the windmills, boom boom boom bing, that's the end of that one.

If the birds don't kill it first. The birds could kill it first. They kill so many birds. You look underneath some of those windmills, it's like a killing field, the birds.

But you know, that's what they were going to, they were going to windmills. And you know, don't worry about when the wind doesn't blow. I said "What happens when the wind doesn't blow? "Well then we have a problem." OK good.

They were putting them in areas where they didn't have much wind, too. And it's a subsidiary, you need a subsidy for windmills. You need subsidy. Who wants to have energy where you need subsidy? So, uh, the coal is doing great.

[tlongII]

You remember Hillary with the coal, right, sitting with the miners at the table? Remember? That wasn't so good for her. So the people of West Virginia and all over, you look at Wyoming, you look at so many different places where they just, Pennsylvania, where they loved what we did, and it's clean coal and we have the most modern procedures.

But it's a tremendous form of energy in the sense that in a military way, think of it, coal is indestructible.

You can blow up a pipeline, you can blow up windmills. You know the windmills, boom boom boom bing, that's the end of that one.

If the birds don't kill it first. The birds could kill it first. They kill so many birds. You look underneath some of those windmills, it's like a killing field, the birds.

But you know, that's what they were going to, they were going to windmills. And you know, don't worry about when the wind doesn't blow. I said "What happens when the wind doesn't blow? "Well then we have a problem." OK good.

They were putting them in areas where they didn't have much wind, too. And it's a subsidiary, you need a subsidy for windmills. You need subsidy. Who wants to have energy where you need subsidy? So, uh, the coal is doing great.

:rolleyes

[RandomGuy]

:rolleyes

What? The birds could kill it, right?

[boutons_deux]

you don't need to be a pro psychologist to know

http://cz598rxdt5our6verxu01782.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/AntiTrump_HEADER_2580-1600x646.jpg

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https://images.dailykos.com/images/583560/story_image/XWhNXGGl.jpg?1535716174

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/583563/large/uV9b4Fjl.jpg?1535716560

[RandomGuy]

The original assertion, or goal if you will, was that psychiatrists do not make diagnoses by watching video clips. You moved the goalposts by making it about whether or not a 72 year old man is immune from the effects on aging.

Woodward book.

"crazytown"

Amarosa's account.

Record turnover.

NYT op-ed.

The evidence piles up and piles up, and continues to paint a picture of an unstable, sick mind.

As long as he has the magic R though... its ok with you, right?

[boutons_deux]

The 25th Amendment: The Difficult Process to Remove a President

How would it actually work, if invoked now?

The first step would be for Vice President Mike Pence and a majority of the cabinet to provide a written declaration to the president pro tempore of the Senate (currently Senator Orrin G. Hatch of Utah) and the speaker of the House (currently Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin)

that Mr. Trump “is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.”

That would immediately strip Mr. Trump of the powers of his office and make Mr. Pence the acting president.

But the 25th Amendment would allow Mr. Trump to immediately send a written declaration of his own to Mr. Hatch and Mr. Ryan saying that he is in fact able to perform his duties.

That would immediately allow him to resume his duties,

unless Mr. Pence and the cabinet send another declaration to the congressional leaders within four days restating their concerns.

Mr. Pence would take over again as acting president.

That declaration would require Congress to assemble within 48 hours and to vote within 21 days.

If two-thirds of members of both the House and the Senate agreed that Mr. Trump was unable to continue as president,

he would be stripped permanently of the position, and

Mr. Pence would become president.

If the vote in Congress fell short, Mr. Trump would resume his duties.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/06/us/politics/trump-25th-amendment-anonymous.html

[tlongII]

Woodward book.

"crazytown"

Amarosa's account.

Record turnover.

NYT op-ed.

The evidence piles up and piles up, and continues to paint a picture of an unstable, sick mind.

As long as he has the magic R though... its ok with you, right?

I don't give a fuck about the "magic R". There is no reliable evidence to show Trump's mental capacities have deteriorated.

[RandomGuy]

I don't give a fuck about the "magic R". There is no reliable evidence to show Trump's mental capacities have deteriorated.

There is rather good video evidence, some of which I have posted.

Is hours of unscripted interview video evidence not "reliable"?

[RandomGuy]

I don't give a fuck about the "magic R". There is no reliable evidence to show Trump's mental capacities have deteriorated.

We have multiple accounts, well-sourced, of direct accounts of people with contact with him that describe someone with childlike mental processes.

Are they ALL not "reliable"? If so, why are they not reliable?

[RandomGuy]

https://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2017.11b13

So, now we have a book where discussions of the 25th have been whispered here and there. The insiders know.

Now what?

[boutons_deux]

So, now we have a book where discussions of the 25th have been whispered here and there. The insiders know.

Now what?

Even if Trash's Exec goes 25th, the Repug Congress won't. The Senate has NEVER convicted an impeached Pres.

Unless he dies, we're stuck with Trash until 2020.

[boutons_deux]

Thousands of mental health professionals agree with Woodward and the New York Times op-ed author: Trump is dangerous

These are obviously psychological symptoms (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-woodwards-new-book-reveals-a-nervous-breakdown-of-trumps-presidency/2018/09/04/b27a389e-ac60-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html) reflective of emotional compulsion, impulsivity, poor concentration, narcissism and recklessness.

They are identical to those that Woodward describes in numerous examples,

which he writes were met with the “stealthy machinations used by those in Trump’s inner sanctum to try to control his impulses and prevent disasters.”

we observed were signs of mental instability –

signs that would eventually play out not only in the White House, as these accounts report (http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2017/11/lowest-point.aspx), but in domestic situations and in the geopolitical sphere (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/12/how-trumps-nato-summit-meltdown-unfolded).

Getting worse

My current concern is that we are already witnessing a further unraveling of the president’s mental state, especially as the frequency of his lying increases (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/04/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-days/) and the fervor of his rallies intensifies (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-attacks-metoo-movement-in-unhinged-rally-tirade.html).

I am concerned that his mental challenges could cause him to take unpredictable and potentially extreme and dangerous measures to distract from his legal problems.

Mental health professionals have standard procedures for evaluating dangerousness. More than a personal interview, violence potential is best assessed through past history and a structured checklist (http://www.antoniocasella.eu/archipsy/Dolan_Doyle_2000.pdf) of a person’s characteristics.

These characteristics include a history of cruelty to animals or other people, risk taking, behavior suggesting loss of control or impulsivity, narcissistic personality and current mental instability.

Also of concern are (https://btci.stanford.clockss.org/cgi/content/full/8/1/73/) noncompliance or unwillingness to undergo tests or treatment, access to weapons, poor relationship with significant other or spouse, seeing oneself as a victim, lack of compassion or empathy, and lack of concern over consequences of harmful acts.

The Woodward book and the New York Times op-ed confirm many of these characteristics.

The rest have been evident in Trump’s behavior outside the White House and prior to his tenure.

That the president has met not just some but all these criteria should be reason for alarm.

Other ways in which a president could be dangerous are through cognitive symptoms or lapses, since functions such as reasoning, memory, attention, language and learning are critical to the duties of a president. He has exhibited signs of decline here, too (https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/23/donald-trump-speaking-style-interviews/).

The president has already shown an alarming escalation of irrational behavior during times of distress.

Others have observed him to be “unstable,” “losing a step” and “unraveling.” (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/donald-trump-is-unraveling-white-house-advisers) He is likely to enter such a state again.

We are now entering a period when the stresses of the presidency could accelerate because of the advancing special counsel’s investigations.

The degree of Trump’s denial and resistance to the unfolding revelations, as expressed in a recent Fox interview (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/23/politics/donald-trump-fox-news/index.html), are telling of his fragility.


In the case of danger,

the patient does not have the right to refuse,

nor does the physician have the right not to take the person as a patient.

This evaluation may have been delayed, but it is still not too late.

https://theconversation.com/thousands-of-mental-health-professionals-agree-with-woodward-and-the-new-york-times-op-ed-author-trump-is-dangerous-102755

https://i.imgflip.com/1akhj3.jpg

Lock 'im Up!

[ElNono]

Being a narcissistic petulant insecure asshole is not a medical condition, tbh... yes, he's widely unqualified to the office he holds, but that's not a crime either...

[boutons_deux]

Being a narcissistic petulant insecure asshole is not a medical condition, tbh... yes, he's widely unqualified to the office he holds, but that's not a crime either...

Trash's problem is much bigger than that, and there's no crime if you're fucking incapable emotionally, intellectually.

He's very far gone compared to several years ago. Blatant as hell.

[tlongII]

We have multiple accounts, well-sourced, of direct accounts of people with contact with him that describe someone with childlike mental processes.

Are they ALL not "reliable"? If so, why are they not reliable?

There have been no reports from a mental health professional that has examined him. Therefore the accounts you are referencing are not reliable.

[boutons_deux]

Psychiatrist: White House Staff Came to Me Because They Were Afraid of Trump

Dr. Bandy Lee, editor of the best-selling book

“The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President,”

told the New York Daily News on Thursday (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-president-trump-psychiatrist-leakers-list-20180906-story.html) that

she was contacted by members of the White House staff because the president was “scaring” them.
two officials from Trump’s White House officials contacted her a year ago due to their concerns about their boss’s increasingly erratic behavior.

“They said that Trump was ‘scaring’ them, that he was ‘unraveling,”

I referred them to the local emergency room :lol without inquiring much further,”

We are in a time of crisis because the most powerful person in the country — and in the world —

is suffering from extreme mental illness (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/05/trump-responds-to-ny-times-op-ed-with-rant-proving-that-hes-crazy.html) and

his behavior cannot be trusted. (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/05/maddow-trump-admin-near-dead.html)

Steps must be taken immediately (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/05/the-white-house-has-talked-about-invoking-the-25th-amendment-to-remove-trump.html) before further damage is done.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/07/psychiatrist-white-house-staff-came-to-me-because-they-were-afraid-of-trump.html

Running USA is extremely complex, but Trash can't run the WH, or even run his own fucking self.

[Fabbs]

There have been no reports from a mental health professional that has examined him. Therefore the accounts you are referencing are not reliable.
This.

Bunch of stooped Trump Hayters spouting.

[boutons_deux]

http://cz598rxdt5our6verxu01782.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/AntiTrump-1-880x1320.jpg

[boutons_deux]

"There have been no reports from a mental health professional that has examined him."

I can't imagine Trash submitting to a psycho examination, at all.

He hides even his physical exam, along with his crime-ridden tax records.

who examined him psychiatrically? when?

your absence of evidence, proves what?

100s, 1000s of professionals see that Trash is deeply unbalanced, disturbed, and amateurs see it, also.

[RandomGuy]

Being a narcissistic petulant insecure asshole is not a medical condition, tbh... yes, he's widely unqualified to the office he holds, but that's not a crime either...

I think the ultimate problem is the narcissism, but I have little doubt that the guy is in some mental decline. The video evidence is pretty striking.

Something happened in the 90s, my guess is some serious cocaine use, that caused a noted slide that has gotten worse as he ages.

His lack of sleep is likely contributing to it. The brain does not do well with lack of sleep, which has been implicated in the development of Alzheimers.

[RandomGuy]

There have been no reports from a mental health professional that has examined him. Therefore the accounts you are referencing are not reliable.

Ah. First hand accounts not reliable.

What about he direct video evidence?

[boutons_deux]

"ultimate problem is the narcissism"

but extreme, pathological, blocks him from thinking straight, have any kind of vision that isn't placing him at the center.

[tlongII]

Ah. First hand accounts not reliable.

What about he direct video evidence?

The only reliable evidence at this time would be anything discovered via an examination by qualified medical professional.

[RandomGuy]

The only reliable evidence at this time would be anything discovered via an examination by qualified medical professional.

Would that medical professional find decades worth of interviews reliable?

[tlongII]

Would that medical professional find decades worth of interviews reliable?

I don't know. Why don't you ask him/her?

[RandomGuy]

This.

Bunch of stooped Trump Hayters spouting.


"one of the wettest we've ever seen from the standpoint of water."

[RandomGuy]

I don't know. Why don't you ask him/her?

Seems like we have at least one professional, along with others who are willing to sign their names and reputations to a letter to that very thing.

Now what?

[tlongII]

Seems like we have at least one professional, along with others who are willing to sign their names and reputations to a letter to that very thing.

Now what?

Now nothing. They won't.

[boutons_deux]

A new report just revealed the mind-blowingly stupid advice Trump gave to the Spanish king and queen

Spanish diplomats were taken aback when Foreign Minister Joseph Borrell revealed that

Donald Trump had advised them to tackle their immigration issues by building a wall across the Sahara desert.

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/09/19/a-new-report-just-revealed-the-mind-blowingly-stupid-advice-trump-gave-to-the-spanish-king-and-queen/ (https://washingtonpress.com/2018/09/19/a-new-report-just-revealed-the-mind-blowingly-stupid-advice-trump-gave-to-the-spanish-king-and-queen/)

[RandomGuy]

Being a narcissistic petulant insecure asshole is not a medical condition, tbh... yes, he's widely unqualified to the office he holds, but that's not a crime either...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/white-house-hobbles-nuclear-weapons-safety-agency/

Is criminal negligence a crime?

[RandomGuy]

Now nothing. They won't.

They already have.

Seems to me that you are being more than a little dishonest here. Actual trained professionals have said they have enough reliable evidence to come to a reasonable, professional conclusion, and have signed a letter to that effect.

Your response hasn't been to try and prove how stable and smart the guy is, but to say "its against policy".

The guy is a danger to the country, and the world, if he is truly beginning to lose it.

For some reason, you choose to ignore that.

Is your political party more important than the country itself?

[tlongII]

They already have.

Seems to me that you are being more than a little dishonest here. Actual trained professionals have said they have enough reliable evidence to come to a reasonable, professional conclusion, and have signed a letter to that effect.

Your response hasn't been to try and prove how stable and smart the guy is, but to say "its against policy".

The guy is a danger to the country, and the world, if he is truly beginning to lose it.

For some reason, you choose to ignore that.

Is your political party more important than the country itself?

You're the one being dishonest. Acting as if video of Trump will lead to some kind of mental incapacity diagnosis when it clearly won't.

[101A]

http://cz598rxdt5our6verxu01782.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/AntiTrump-1-880x1320.jpg

It's supposed to be "That boy ain't right" - in a Castroville drawl.

[boutons_deux]

:lol supporting Trash causes your own family to think you're mentally ill

GOP congressman’s mental health questioned by his own brother on CNN: ‘He doesn’t appear to be well’

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/09/gop-congressmans-mental-health-questioned-brother-cnn-doesnt-appear-well/

[boutons_deux]

These Are The Moments That Made Trump’s Mental Decline Clear During His 60 Minutes Interview

Trump couldn’t say who “they” were (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/14/trump-60-minutes-climate-change.html)

While denying climate change, Trump claimed that they dispute the science. When asked who “they” were, Trump couldn’t answer:

Trump: –Of years. They say that we had hurricanes that were far worse than what we just had with Michael.

Stahl: Who says that? “They say”?

Trump: People say. People say that in the–


Trump doesn’t care that Kim Jong-un is a murderer. He still loves him (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/14/trump-kim-jong-un-60-minutes.html)

Trump had himself a moment when asked why he loves a murderous dictator:

Trump claims China meddled in the 2016 election (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/14/trump-russia-60-minutes-interview.html)

Trump went beyond his baseless claims that China is interfering in the 2018 election and now claims that they interfered in 2016 too:

Trump sounds nuts as he refuses to pledge not to shut down the Mueller investigation

This was Trump refusing to pledge not to shut down the Mueller investigation:

Trump’s answers were evasive, disjointed, and not based in reality

The American people got to see the reason why the White House keeps objective journalists away from Trump.

The president can’t handle serious questions or any sort of pushback on his answers.

Trump has a definite problem with reality.

This president is living in his own fantasy world, and

it became clear watching the 60 Minutes interview that Trump’s grasp on what is real has become even more frayed over the past year.

The presidency impacts every person that holds the office in different ways.

Being in the White House has put all of Trump’s mental frailties on full display and possibly accelerated his mental decline.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/14/trump-mental-decline.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[tlongII]

What a crock of shit.

[boutons_deux]

Here are 6 recent incidents that show how Donald Trump is deteriorating mentally

Their first example was

the epic press conference the day following the Midterm election last week.

It was obvious he was depressed and was very confrontational. The first two signs of Alzheimer’s Disease, which Trump’s father suffered from, is depression and irritability (https://www.healthline.com/health-news/first-symptoms-of-alzheimers-may-be-depression-irritability-011415).

Trump canceled his plans for a Washington, DC military parade so that he could go to Paris on the 100th anniversary of the Armistice that ended WWI. Instead of attending the parade he anticipated, he cut out instead.

Trump was two hours late to a dinner that evening he was supposed to have with world leaders. There was no reason given

Trump was also scheduled to attend the

Association of Southeast Asian Nations (SEAN) and

Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summits

in the coming weeks but

those trips have now been canceled.

the White House confirmed the president wouldn’t go to Arlington National Cemetary on Veterans Day because of the rain. :lol

, there hasn’t been a word out of the West Wing about going to Thousand Oaks.

Trump hasn’t visited California in the past when they’ve had fires

that put people in shelters, so it’s unclear if he’s interested in doing so here.

if Trump was depressed or decompensating, a term used for a person’s “functional deterioration.”

“Decompensation may occur due to fatigue, stress, illness, or old age.

When a system is ‘compensated,’ it is able to function despite stressors or defects.

Decompensation describes an inability to compensate for these deficiencies,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/6-recent-incidents-show-donald-trump-deteriorating-mentally-report/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/6-recent-incidents-show-donald-trump-deteriorating-mentally-report/)

Trash is fucked in the head and body.

[RandomGuy]

You're the one being dishonest. Acting as if video of Trump will lead to some kind of mental incapacity diagnosis when it clearly won't.

https://www.rand.org/research/projects/truth-decay.html

[tlongII]

https://www.rand.org/research/projects/truth-decay.html

Not sure what your point is here?

[boutons_deux]

voluminous evidence is overwhelming, blatant, often hilarious

"Trump also expressed concern about illegal votes being counted or cast in the ongoing Florida recount.

“The Republicans don’t win and that’s because of potentially illegal votes, :lol

which is what I’ve been saying for a long time,” adding,

“I’ve had friends talk about it :lol

when people get in line that have absolutely no right to vote :lol and

they go around in circles. :lol

Sometimes they go to their car, put on a different hat, put on a different shirt, come in and vote again.” :lol

https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/14/recap-trump-interview-the-daily-caller/

Emotionally fried

speech fried

rationality fried

[RandomGuy]

Holy shit, the more this guy talks... the more fuckbonkers he seems.

[RandomGuy]

The only reliable evidence at this time would be anything discovered via an examination by qualified medical professional.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CokgkXbWAAA2Dsy.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Not sure what your point is here?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0RV-cRXQAAIIr3.jpg

[RandomGuy]

His shit has gotten measurably worse.

The incoherent train of thought mumbling is just not making sense anymore. How much are we being shielded from by his aides who are going to try and hide this?

[boutons_deux]

90% of Repugs approve Trash

40% of everybody approves Trash

America is fucked and unfuckable.

[RandomGuy]

Not sure what your point is here?

Orange you glad you voted for him??

https://www.someecards.com/news/news/donald-trump-origins-oranges/

[RandomGuy]

Not sure what your point is here?


Maybe you can take Dear Leader's advice and stay away from wind power to avoid getting cancer.
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293552/trump-windmills-cancer-nrcc-speech

[SpursforSix]

Orange you glad you voted for him??

https://www.someecards.com/news/news/donald-trump-origins-oranges/

I have little doubt that his mental capacity is diminished. Just the way he speaks...using "very" constantly instead of being able to come up with another emphatic. Or invariably using simple words like "sad", "great", "fabulous".
I guess going back and listening to an older interview might shed more light. But my guess is that he was very very more articulate in his 40's.

[spurraider21]

I have little doubt that his mental capacity is diminished. Just the way he speaks...using "very" constantly instead of being able to come up with another emphatic. Or invariably using simple words like "sad", "great", "fabulous".
I guess going back and listening to an older interview might shed more light. But my guess is that he was very very more articulate in his 40's.
he literally says shit like "i have a very good brain" and "i have the best words"

[SpursforSix]

he literally says shit like "i have a very good brain" and "i have the best words"

exactly. It'll never happen but there needs to be some mental test for politicians and judges.

It's why I'd much rather have a younger president who is sharp but will also surround himself with older experienced people.

[Spurs Homer]

If you had committed crimes and were in the middle of a criminal cover up -and you know that eventually you will be prosecuted

you would be flipping out too!

[Winehole23]

he literally says shit like "i have a very good brain" and "i have the best words"The sound of wind turbines is a known cause of cancer.

[RandomGuy]

exactly. It'll never happen but there needs to be some mental test for politicians and judges.

It's why I'd much rather have a younger president who is sharp but will also surround himself with older experienced people.

FWIW: his most recent word vomit:


Hillary wanted to put up wind. Wind. If you ― if you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations: Your house just went down 75 percent in value. And they say the noise causes cancer. You tell me that one, OK? “Rrrrr, rrrrr” ― you know the thing that makes the ― it’s so noisy. And of course it’s like a graveyard for birds. If you love birds, you’d never want to walk under a windmill because it’s a very sad, sad sight. It’s like a cemetery. We put a little, we put a little statute for the poor birds. It’s true. You know in California, if you shoot a bald eagle, they put you in jail for five years. And yet the windmills wipe ’em all out. It’s true. They wipe ’em out. It’s terrible.
And I told the other day at CPAC. Great people at CPAC. We had an incredible thing. I had nothing to do. It was early on a Saturday morning. I had just gotten back from dealing with Kim Jong Un. We had a walk. He wasn’t ready for a deal but that’s OK because we get along great. He wasn’t ready. I told him, you’re not ready for a deal. That’s the first time anybody has ever told him that and left. It never happened to him before. Nobody’s ever left. But I said you’re not ready for a deal, but we’ll make a deal. We have a good relationship. We have a good relationship. But I told a story about, at CPAC. The woman, she wants to watch television. And she says to her husband, “Is the wind blowing? I’d love to watch a show tonight, darling. The wind hasn’t blown for three days. I can’t watch television, darling. Darling, please tell the wind to blow.” No, wind’s not so good. And you know, you have no idea how expensive it is to make those things. They’re all made in China and Germany, but the way, just in case you’re ― we don’t make ’em here, essentially. We don’t make ’em here. And by the way, the carbon, and all those things flying up in the air, you know the carbon footprint? President Obama used to talk about the carbon footprint, and then he’d hop on Air Force One, a big 747 with very old engines, and he’d fly to Hawaii to play a round of golf. You tell me, the carbon footprint.

worse... and worse...

[RandomGuy]

The sound of wind turbines is a known cause of cancer.

Orange you glad you didn't vote for him?

[pgardn]

After the Trump gloatfest speech on his total exoneration a Fox News expert said this was a new way of communicating.
That Trump was actually inventing a new way to deliver speeches effectively.

So now what are we to think. He is mentally incapacitated, he has taken a quantum leap in communication?

Your quote above sounds like the same guy we elected in 2016 to me.
He went off script but remembered the major points he had to address.
And when he goes off script we get new words and phrases, bigly.

[Trill Clinton]

I heard he lied about his dad being born in Germany. He knows what he's doing but his supporters let him get away with it.

This is the first time I heard about wind turbine cancer

[ElNono]

He reminds me of at least 4/5 guidos I know in NJ, tbh... it’s not mental anything. It’s just a mix of ignorance and power trips. Think a cheesy version of Sopranos.

[boutons_deux]

Orange you glad you didn't vote for him?

in the official WH transcript, it's "oringe"

[RandomGuy]

Not sure what your point is here?

https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8xOTU4MDA5NC85ODB4Lmp wZyIsImV4cGlyZXNfYXQiOjE1NjAxNzgxNjN9.Q7I-TVr_jqSDHPzlKXMEoFAw1IdYv2APNyJBfaoXH9g/img.jpg

[RandomGuy]

..

[tlongII]

https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8xOTU4MDA5NC85ODB4Lmp wZyIsImV4cGlyZXNfYXQiOjE1NjAxNzgxNjN9.Q7I-TVr_jqSDHPzlKXMEoFAw1IdYv2APNyJBfaoXH9g/img.jpg

:rolleyes

[RandomGuy]

:rolleyes

Have you listened to this guy ramble at all recently?

He is getting worse.

[boutons_deux]

Trash's interview with chum bucket is yet more proof Trash's brain is shot, his ignorance is hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBh3V-6P3kE

[RandomGuy]

I have little doubt that his mental capacity is diminished. Just the way he speaks...using "very" constantly instead of being able to come up with another emphatic. Or invariably using simple words like "sad", "great", "fabulous".
I guess going back and listening to an older interview might shed more light. But my guess is that he was very very more articulate in his 40's.

Eyup.

1987 in a very ironic larry king interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8wJc7vHcTs

[tlongII]

He sounds like he’s 72 years old to me. I don’t see anything to indicate greatly diminished mental capacity.

[RandomGuy]

He sounds like he’s 72 years old to me. I don’t see anything to indicate greatly diminished mental capacity.

You have not been watching him speak off the cuff then.

[RandomGuy]

He sounds like he’s 72 years old to me. I don’t see anything to indicate greatly diminished mental capacity.


He’s deteriorating in plain sight
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/donald-trump-not-well/597640/


I dare you to watch tPresident Sharpie's CPAC speech and make that claim again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeAxdxAxdmU

[DarrinS]

Now do Biden

[Spurtacular]

Now do Biden

:lol CuckoldGuy not gonna step up on that one.

[RandomGuy]

Now do Biden

Sorry man, not chasing your squirrel. Feel free to do some work for once.

:cry "do my work for me" :cry

[tlongII]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/donald-trump-not-well/597640/


I dare you to watch tPresident Sharpie's CPAC speech and make that claim again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeAxdxAxdmU

I watched it. Nothing there. You see what you want to see.

[DarrinS]

Sorry man, not chasing your squirrel. Feel free to do some work for once.

:cry "do my work for me" :cry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cylG5hCfXME

[Pavlov]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cylG5hCfXME:lmao Daniel Malice

:lol Darrin's YouTube subs

[RandomGuy]

I watched it. Nothing there. You see what you want to see.

Not sure I believe that.

[RandomGuy]

I watched it. Nothing there. You see what you want to see.


"So, the last time I was at the hospital, well, probably a year ago, a little less than a year ago, I asked the doctor. I said: 'Is there some kind of a cognitive test that I could take? Because I have been hearing about it, because I want to shut these people up.'
"They're -- they're fake news. They make up stories. I mean, like, I will do an interview with you. You -- I didn't say you can ask me about this, you can't -- I say, ask me anything. I did one with Chris Wallace.
"He was nice enough to say. He said, I just want to tell the audience there was no question that's off bounds, OK? And he's a tough cookie. And it was a good interview. I liked it. I enjoyed it. And it was good.
"But I didn't say, you can only ask this. You can only -- we have to be sharp. If you're in the office of the presidency, we have to be sharp.
"So, they were saying all these different things. It was going all over, whichever stuck. None of it stuck, fortunately. But one of the reasons it didn't is that I took a test. I said to the doctor -- it was Dr. Ronny Jackson -- I said: 'Is there some kind of a test, an acuity test?'
"And he said: 'There actually is.' And he named it, whatever it might be. And it was 30 or 35 questions. The first questions are very easy. The last questions are much more difficult, like a memory question. It's like, you will go person, woman, man, camera, TV.
"So, they say, could you repeat that? So, I said, yes. So, it's person, woman, man, camera, TV. OK, that's very good.
"If you get it in order, you get extra points. If you -- OK, now he's asking you other questions, other questions. And then 10 minutes, 15, 20 minutes later, they say, remember the first question, not the first, but the 10th question? Give us that again. Can you do that again? And you go, person, woman, man, camera TV.
"If you get it in order, you get extra points.
"They said, nobody gets it in order. It's actually not that easy. But, for me, it was easy.
"And that's not an easy question. In other words, they ask you to -- they give you five names, and you have to repeat them. And that's OK. If you repeat them out of order, it's OK, but you know, it's not as good.
"But then, when you go back, about 20, 25 minutes later, and they say, go back to that question -- they don't tell you this. Go back to that question, and repeat them. Can you do it? And you go, person, woman, man, camera, TV.
"They say: 'That's amazing. How did you do that?'
"I do it because I have, like, a good memory, because I'm cognitively there."
Uh huh.
This isn't the first time Trump has mentioned taking a test to measure his cognitive abilities. In an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity -- notice a pattern? -- earlier this month, he said this:
"I actually took one when I -- very recently, when I -- when I was -- the radical left were saying, is he all there? Is he all there? And I proved I was all there, because I got -- I aced it. I aced the test. ... I took it at Walter Reed Medical Center in front of doctors. And they were very surprised. They said, that's an unbelievable thing. Rarely does anybody do what you just did."

[RandomGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cylG5hCfXME

person, woman, man, camera TV

[tlongII]

So you think Biden’s mental ability is better than Trump’s? Lol.

[ChumpDumper]

So you think Biden’s mental ability is better than Trump’s? Lol.Considering how badly Trump fucked this country, sure.

[RandomGuy]

So you think Biden’s mental ability is better than Trump’s? Lol.

Would love to see them compared side by side on an identical test, TBH.

A lo
t of people say this is because we don't have a national plan. You talk about states. We don't have a national plan. Do you take responsibility for that?

TRUMP: Look, I take responsibility always for everything because it's ultimately my job, too. I have to get everybody in line.

Some governors have done well, some governors have done poorly. They're supposed to have supplies they didn't have. I supplied everybody.

Now we have somewhat of a surge in certain areas. And other areas we're doing great. But we have a surge in certain areas. But you don't hear people complaining about ventilators. We've got all the ventilators we can use. We're supplying them to other countries.

We go out into parking lots and everything, everybody gets a test. We find -- if we did half the testing -- with all of that being said, I'm glad we did it. This is the right way to do it. I'm glad we did what we're doing. But we have more tests by far than any country in the world.


TRUMP: Many of those cases are young people that would heal in a day. They have the sniffles and we put it down as a test. Many of them -- don't forget, I guess it's like 99.7 percent, people are going to get better and in many cases they're going to get better very quickly.

We go out and we look and then on the news -- look if you go back to the news, all of your -- even your wonderful competitors, you'll see cases are up. Cases are up -- many of those cases shouldn't even be cases. Cases are up because we have the best testing in the world and we have the most testing.

No country has ever done what we've done in terms of testing. We are the envy of the world. They call and they say the most incredible job anybody's done is our job on testing, because we're going to very shortly be up to 50 million tests.

You look at other countries; they don't even do tests. They do tests if somebody walks into the hospital, they're sick, they're really sick, they test them then, or they'll test them in a doctor's office. But they don't go around have massive areas of testing and we do. And I'm glad we do, but it really skews the numbers.

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

So when you think somebody is doing well, sometimes you have to hold your decision on that. You have to hold your statement. Since the beginning of June, daily new cases have increased by a factor of 14 times in Israel. 35 times, that’s 35 times in Japan and nearly 30 times in Australia, just to name a few. These were countries that were doing incredibly well. Leadership was being praised. Latin America now leads the world in confirmed infections and with the scarcity of testing in Latin America, the true numbers, you have no idea what they might be. I can say scarcity of testing almost anywhere, except for our country.

... uh whut?



These facts illustrate the imposing determinant and it is a determinant, that a blanket shutdown to achieve a temporary reduction in cases is certainly not a viable longterm strategy for any country. People are starting to understand the disease now. We certainly have understood a lot about the disease that we didn’t have any idea. We didn’t. Nobody ever saw anything like this. The primary purpose of a shutdown was to flatten the curve, ensure sufficient hospital capacity and develop effective treatments and therapies to reduce mortality. We’ve done that but it can come rearing back when you least suspect it.

[tlongII]

Lol

[RandomGuy]

also active talk about the 25th amendment

[weebo]

also active talk about the 25th amendment

He needs to resign, invoke the 25th or impeach and remove ASAP. Trump can no longer remain POTUS.

[boutons_deux]

This could have been prevented:

Mental health experts were silenced for telling the truth about Trump

There is an unambiguous reason why mental health experts have not been seen or heard or read in the national media during the past four years.

The mainstream media (http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23311983.2020.1837461) has intentionally blocked these experts from speaking out

about Donald Trump's mental pathology and its dangerous impact on the public's safety and welfare.

The professionals who understand Trump the best have been gagged and muzzled. The media has been a major enabler of Trump —

and that continues to this day.

https://www.alternet.org/2021/01/trump-mental-health-2649774598/

Mental health isn't only cognitive, as some assholes in this thread think, but much more emotional, with the emotions dominating, queering cognition.

[RandomGuy]

He sounds like he’s 72 years old to me. I don’t see anything to indicate greatly diminished mental capacity.

Trump has lost it man.

25th him out hte fucking door and into a prison cell already.

[tlongII]

Trump has lost it man.

25th him out hte fucking door and into a prison cell already.

Nah he’s just a crook.

[ElNono]

Nah he’s just a crook.

You flipped on Dennison too... oh my

[RandomGuy]

Nah he’s just a crook.

He's always been a crook.

but being mentally unfit and being a crook are not mutually exclusive. Just sayin'.

[pgardn]

He's always been a crook.

but being mentally unfit and being a crook are not mutually exclusive. Just sayin'.

he has been allowed to make wild decisions his entire life. he becomes president and it’s no different. He is a spoiled child never having to face severe consequences for his actions

he is getting older going into mid to late 70s and this is significant

and he is still very good at understanding populism and how to take advantage of it.