America Was Never That Great!

[Beta Male]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJECaXs-pZA

Tell 'em Chris!

Also, I hope he raises taxes even higher on those over-privileged New Yorkers! Like my hero O's mentor said, hundred percent taxes if need be. Let's give that land back to whatever Native Americans we haven't killed yet; but we need to make sure the women ones are in charge. We will not have another patriarchy on our hands, girls!

[FrostKing]

The left abandons their daughters and shares their wives. A self-defeating ideology rotting Western Civilization

[DarrinS]

Dems positive messaging

[Incel]

The left abandons their daughters and shares their wives. A self-defeating ideology rotting Western Civilization
:tu leftist normies should all die

[ducks]

This is from one that left wants to run for President !

[dbestpro]

Got a feeling he will regret that statement.

[ElNono]

Politically, unforced error... is he wrong though?

[Reck]

He’s totally gonna lose now. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Politically, unforced error... is he wrong though?

Snowflakes definitely thinks so.

[hater]

Politically, unforced error... is he wrong though?

American brainwashed sheeple believe they are exceptional and the best country in history :lol

Reality does not paint the same picture at all. Especially now that we are basically a military oligarchy. Similar to late Roman Empire

[David Hogg]

White people tryin' to make us learn to read and shit. Before it was like, nah nig*er. Like, pick a lane, yo. Ya feel?
sup Fabbs

[Chucho]

The Great Alt Rush of '18.

[pgardn]

The Great Alt Rush of '18.

A veritable avalanche of single digit posters...

[pgardn]

Snowflakes definitely thinks so.

Under what leadership was America it’s greatest?

Under what leadership was America it’s worst?

[pgardn]

American brainwashed sheeple believe they are exceptional and the best country in history :lol

Reality does not paint the same picture at all. Especially now that we are basically a military oligarchy. Similar to late Roman Empire


Under what leadership was America it’s greatest?

Under what leadership was America it’s worst?

[pgardn]

Please then defend your answers.

[pgardn]

Shutdown initiated.

[Spurtacular]

Under what leadership was America it’s greatest?

Under what leadership was America it’s worst?

George Washington

FDR

[RandomGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHSXUS0_1c

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHSXUS0_1c

Nice play, bruh.

[baseline bum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPHSXUS0_1c

That speech is horse shit. I hate hearing Baby Boomers abdicate responsibility for the mess this nation has become under their watch.

[boutons_deux]

The decline started well before the baby boomers were old enough to affect anything

and the vast majority of the baby boomers are themselves not doing well, eg, the spike in bankruptcies for the 65+, the DECLINE in their longevity due to alcohol, drugs, gun suicide, and the Ms who lost their homes in the Banksters Great Depression.

1945 - 1975 when the progressive govt actions of that anomalous period were working was probably America at its peak.

then the oligarchy said "fuck this, we're taking OUR country back" (Lewis Powell memo), been downhill for the non-oligarchy ever since.

[Chucho]

Under what leadership was America it’s greatest?

Under what leadership was America it’s worst?


Depends how you look at it. At it's greatest? Eisenhower as far as economic equality and prosperity.

Worst: Woodrow Wilson. EASILY.

[RandomGuy]

That speech is horse shit. I hate hearing Baby Boomers abdicate responsibility for the mess this nation has become under their watch.

+1

Of course, they are about to come begging. Most of them haven't saved enough for retirement. The current spike in bankruptcy filings is the leading edge of a nasty crisis.

[Chucho]

+1

Of course, they are about to come begging. Most of them haven't saved enough for retirement. The current spike in bankruptcy filings is the leading edge of a nasty crisis.

Senior euthanasia and cheap final expense policies will stem this potential crisis.

[boutons_deux]

+1

Of course, they are about to come begging. Most of them haven't saved enough for retirement. The current spike in bankruptcy filings is the leading edge of a nasty crisis.

real wages, household incomes have been essentially flat through out the boomers' earnings years

many boomer wives were forced to go work in the '80s just to stand still.

[ducks]

boomers live above their means then cry they have no money for retirement

want a bail out from the government

[spurraider21]

boomers live above their means then cry they have no money for retirement

want a bail out from the government
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/w8wut.gif

[FrostKing]

Baby Boomers orchestrated the crippling social changes in America

[pgardn]

George Washington

FDR

Explain each.

[Chucho]

Explain each.


FDR is far from the worst. He and the New Deal are vastly over rated, but he still is far from the worst. We've had three consecutive administrations all worse than FDR.

[Pavlov]

Depends how you look at it. At it's greatest? Eisenhower as far as economic equality and prosperity.Normalizing coups and intervention in the interests of big business and colonial empires was terrible. The Dulleses were a fucking disaster.


Worst: Woodrow Wilson. EASILY.James Buchanan.

[Chucho]

Normalizing coups and intervention in the interests of big business and colonial empires was terrible. The Dulleses were a fucking disaster.



Going to be hard to find a time in our history where a President wasn't busy doing that imperialism thing as every head of state of every world power has done since time began.

[spurraider21]

Normalizing coups and intervention in the interests of big business and colonial empires was terrible. The Dulleses were a fucking disaster.
he did qualify his response as being specific to economic equality/prosperity

[Pavlov]

Going to be hard to find a time in our history where a President wasn't busy doing that imperialism thing as every head of state of every world power has done since time began.As I said, it was normalized to the point of banality. We overthrew a government for Chiquita bananas for Pete's sake.


he did qualify his response as being specific to economic equality/prosperityYes, he did. I didn't.

[pgardn]

So here we go.
The people who actually read history can at least give reasonable arguments.

[Spurminator]

Depends how you look at it. At it's greatest? Eisenhower as far as economic equality and prosperity.

Yep, the 1950's were a true victory for low tax rates and trickle-down economics.

[Chucho]

As I said, it was normalized to the point of banality. We overthrew a government for Chiquita bananas for Pete's sake.



Yeah, that's why I stated economic equality. We'll always have the scars that every country that was a world power at some point in their history will have. So hard to find a country that carried the weight of the entire world on it's shoulders so much, while so young, so the scars are fresher and easier for the failed empire's current population, and our own educated, to thumb their noses at the country.

[boutons_deux]

Yep, the 1950's were a true victory for low tax rates and trickle-down economics.

:lol

chucho, etd are so fucking goddamn stupid

[StinkyWeezleteats]

The Great Alt Rush of '18.

:lmao
I am not one of those Alts. It used to be harder than a woodpeckers lips to get an account approved. Now it's easier than pulling a greased string through a goose. I'm all for a happy medium.

[Chucho]

:lol

chucho, etd are so fucking goddamn stupid


The economy grew over 35%. Inflation that massacred other countries post-war was kept minimal. Houses were the most affordable they'd ever been and there was no bear market once in the entire decade while unemployment stayed steady. It was called the Prosperity decade for a reason.

Tell me why you think I'm on your intellectual level, you putz.

[Pavlov]

Yeah, that's why I stated economic equality.I would take issue with that as well. Redlining and outright discrimination kept so many minorities from the surest accumulation of wealth that could be passed on: home ownership. That wasn't fixed until 1968, right about when the postwar government gravy train for most was ending.

[Chucho]

I would take issue with that as well. Redlining and outright discrimination kept so many minorities from the surest accumulation of wealth that could be passed on: home ownership. That wasn't fixed until 1968, right about when the postwar government gravy train for most was ending.


The 90's would be what we're looking for then. Peacetime (so far as we can call it), massive economic growth and less poverty/racism.

[Pavlov]

The 90's would be what we're looking for then. Peacetime (so far as we can call it), massive economic growth and less poverty/racism.Probably, except for all those people Hillary murdered.

[Chucho]

Probably, except for all those people Hillary murdered.

It was Bill who murdered them. Duh.

[Pavlov]

It was Bill who murdered them. Duh.Bill raped.

Hillary murdered.

[Spurminator]

:lol

chucho, etd are so fucking goddamn stupid

I was not insulting or contradicting Chucho's statement, just adding color commentary.

[pgardn]

:lol

chucho, etd are so fucking goddamn stupid

Your turn then.

[Chucho]

boots is so fucking god damn stupid.

[Chucho]

Bill raped.

Hillary murdered.


Wait, what? Like in that same sequence? Billy C raped them then his anti-gay, super racist wife murdered them?

[Pavlov]

Wait, what? Like in that same sequence? Billy C raped them then his anti-gay, super racist wife murdered them?Not the same people. Hillary mainly killed babies for food but also sabotaged planes and shot people. She kept the rape victims alive so she could hold it over Bill when they fight over who gets the foundation money.

[Chucho]

Not the same people. Hillary mainly killed babies for food but also sabotaged planes and shot people. She kept the rape victims alive so she could hold it over Bill when they fight over who gets the foundation money.


OOOHHHH! Makes sense now.

[koriwhat]

cuomo was never great, good, or decent. instead, him and DeBlasio are total frauds and both do nothing for their constituents. fuck hacks like them.

[SpursforSix]

:lmao
I am not one of those Alts. It used to be harder than a woodpeckers lips to get an account approved. Now it's easier than pulling a greased string through a goose. I'm all for a happy medium.

I believe you StinkyWeezleteats.

[koriwhat]

boots is so fucking god damn stupid.

indeed.

[Spurtacular]

Explain each.

GW - Most noble and self sacrificing. He was the gold standard. Only unanimous electoral college winner in history, btw.

FDR - The real collaborator with the Russian commies. New Deal was crap and shredded the Constitution. Expanded a basic recession to a depression for a decade plus. Failure to step up against Hitler led to millions of lost American lives to say nothing of lives lost around the world. Dude wasn't ready for prime time.

[CosmicCowboy]

Under what leadership was America it’s greatest?

Under what leadership was America it’s worst?
Post ww2 US was pretty fucking good. We vanquished and destroyed Germany and Japan and turned right around and helped the rebuild.

[pgardn]

So after major foreign war presidents good?

During major foreign war presidents bad.

Makes sense.

[leemajors]

GW - Most noble and self sacrificing. He was the gold standard. Only unanimous electoral college winner in history, btw.

FDR - The real collaborator with the Russian commies. New Deal was crap and shredded the Constitution. Expanded a basic recession to a depression for a decade plus. Failure to step up against Hitler led to millions of lost American lives to say nothing of lives lost around the world. Dude wasn't ready for prime time.

I thought you would have been a fan of the Newport sex scandal.

[baseline bum]

FDR - The real collaborator with the Russian commies. New Deal was crap and shredded the Constitution. Expanded a basic recession to a depression for a decade plus. Failure to step up against Hitler led to millions of lost American lives to say nothing of lives lost around the world. Dude wasn't ready for prime time.

:lmao The Republicans were isolationist as fuck and the 1940 election was all about them trying to keep FDR from getting us into the war.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao The Republicans were isolationist as fuck and the 1940 election was all about them trying to keep FDR from getting us into the war.

Libtards love their revisionist history as well as passing the buck...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c6164dad2c8295537d5c24fac64c175e

[Chucho]

Your chart doesn't define who that percentage is.

[Spurtacular]

Your chart doesn't define who that percentage is.

American populus, bruh.

[FrostKing]

1950s USA
vs
1980s West Germany

The modern gold standard

[ElNono]

Libtards love their revisionist history as well as passing the buck...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c6164dad2c8295537d5c24fac64c175e


That unsourced graph says half the population did/did not support intervention by the time the election was held.

Noteworthy is that Willkie was an advocate for aid to the Brits "short of declaring war" (whatever that meant), whereas the party leaders in Congress were isolationists.

[Pavlov]

Libtards love their revisionist history as well as passing the buck...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c6164dad2c8295537d5c24fac64c175e

Interviewing Date 12/2-7/40

Survey #225-K Question #5

If you were asked to vote on the question of the United States entering the war against Germany and Italy, how would you vote — to go into the war or to stay out of the war?

Go in.............................. 15%

Stay out............................ 85

Nine per cent expressed no opinion.

http://ibiblio.org/pha/Gallup/Gallup%201941.htm

That was after the election.

[Spurtacular]

http://ibiblio.org/pha/Gallup/Gallup%201941.htm

That was after the election.

From your own link....


Survey #226-K Question #11a
Do you think America's warplane production is going ahead fast enough?
Yes.................................28%
No................................58
No opinion......................... 14




Do you think our country's future safety depends on England winning this war?
Yes................................ 68%
No................................26
No opinion......................... 6




If the United States stopped sending war materials to England, do you think England would lose the war?
Yes................................ 85%
No................................ 8
No opinion......................... 7




If a factory refuses to make defense materials for the Government at a price considered reasonable by the Defense Commission, should the Government take over that factory?
Yes................................ 71%
No................................ 22
Undecided.......................... 7




Should the United States navy be used to guard ships carrying war materials to Britain?
Yes................................ 52%
No................................ 40
No opinion......................... 8




Would you rather see Britain surrender to Germany than have the United States go into the war?

Yes................................ 26%
No................................ 62

No opinion......................... 12



Not really your day, Chumpy.

[Spurtacular]

You know it's bad when even MSNBC sycophants won't back you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxO8EghFdfc

[Spurtacular]

That unsourced graph says half the population did/did not support intervention by the time the election was held.

Noteworthy is that Willkie was an advocate for aid to the Brits "short of declaring war" (whatever that meant), whereas the party leaders in Congress were isolationists.

FDR was the popular president. He was the one who had the intel and political capital and bully pulpit. I don't believe for a second that he was hamstrung.

[Pavlov]

From your own link....













Not really your day, Chumpy. 85 percent didn't want to go to war in December 1940.

No thing you can do about it.

lol

[Reck]

85 percent didn't want to go to war in December 1940.

No thing you can do about it.

lol

Did anyone say revisioning history? :lol

[Pavlov]

Did anyone say revisioning history? :lolIt's a weird fight to pick, for sure. American isolationism before Pearl Harbor is a simple reality.

[Spurtacular]

http://ibiblio.org/pha/Gallup/Gallup%201941.htm

That was after the election.

The discrepancies in the polls don't comport, frankly.

[Pavlov]

The discrepancies in the polls don't comport, frankly.There are no discrepancies. They want to help Britain but they don't want to go to war.

Pretty simple.

[Spurtacular]

There are no discrepancies. They want to help Britain but they don't want to go to war.

Pretty simple.

Those actions drag a country into a war. The polls were govt. bought.

[Pavlov]

Those actions drag a country into a war. The polls were govt. bought.lol another conspiracy

[koriwhat]

cuomo was never great and it's a pity that NY state has a shit mayor as well as a shit governor like him.

[Spurtacular]

lol another conspiracy

It's not my fault that you believe the government works like sunshine and lollipops.

[Pavlov]

It's not my fault that you believe the government works like sunshine and lollipops.It's not my fault your only fallback when crushed by simple logic is to declare a government conspiracy.

[Spurtacular]

It's not my fault your only fallback when crushed by simple logic is to declare a government conspiracy.

FDR wanted Watson to be his Secretary of Commerce even while he was a helping out the Nazis, son. Welcome to real life.

[Pavlov]

FDR wanted Watson to be his Secretary of Commerce even while he was a helping out the Nazis, son. Welcome to real life.:lmao

OK, tell us all about your Watson/FDR/Hitler conspiracy theory.

[koriwhat]

FDR wanted Watson to be his Secretary of Commerce even while he was a helping out the Nazis, son. Welcome to real life.

so glad pavTHETIC is on perm ignore these days. ugh fuck that dude!

[Pavlov]

so glad pavTHETIC is on perm ignore these days. ugh fuck that dude!You're not ignoring us if you keep whining about us.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

OK, tell us all about your Watson/FDR/Hitler conspiracy theory.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51IT1f45DqL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Read that if you're that interested.

[Pavlov]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51IT1f45DqL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Read that if you're that interested.No, I'm asking you, derp.

Tell us all about your Watson/FDR/Hitler conspiracy.

[Spurtacular]

No, I'm asking you, derp.

Tell us all about your Watson/FDR/Hitler conspiracy.

Eleven bucks on Kindle, bruh. Being the truth seeker you are, I'm sure you'll lay that down easy.

[koriwhat]

i haven't read any of your bullshit in almost a week now pavTHETIC. it's been so peaceful without having to run in circles with you daily because you're so hard up for your internet brownie points. here's to the future without pavTHETIC!

[Pavlov]

Eleven bucks on Kindle, bruh. Being the truth seeker you are, I'm sure you'll lay that down easy.No, I'm asking you, derp.

Tell us all about your Watson/FDR/Hitler conspiracy.

Or bitch out again.

[Pavlov]

i haven't read any of your bullshit in almost a week now pavTHETIC. it's been so peaceful without having to run in circles with you daily because you're so hard up for your internet brownie points. here's to the future without pavTHETIC!And yet, here you are, whining about me again.

[Red Pill Regimen]

No, I'm asking you, derp.

Tell us all about your Watson/FDR/Hitler conspiracy.

Or bitch out again.

He won't say. Obviously, this was a case of good guys versus bad guys, through and through.

[koriwhat]

what pavTHETIC? what? shout louder; i can't hear you!

https://media1.tenor.com/images/a739da3f15dca5e73449ed1d9353634b/tenor.gif

[Spurtacular]

No, I'm asking you, derp.

Tell us all about your Watson/FDR/Hitler conspiracy.

Or bitch out again.

I listened to it on audio. I'm not going to go do a homework assignment for you though.

[Pavlov]

I listened to it on audio. I'm not going to go do a homework assignment for you though.Great. I can dismiss it as bullshit you ran away from then.

Saved a lot of time.

[Spurtacular]

Great. I can dismiss it as bullshit you ran away from then.

Saved a lot of time.

Sure, you can embrace your ignorance. Nothing's stopping you.

[Pavlov]

Sure, you can embrace your ignorance. Nothing's stopping you.I know there was no grand conspiracy, so what else is there, derp?

[Spurtacular]

I know there was no grand conspiracy, so what else is there, derp?

Have you ever been so sleep deprived that you thought you remembered being under sniper fire?

[Pavlov]

Have you ever been so sleep deprived that you thought you remembered being under sniper fire?Have you ever once backed up your conspiracy claims?

[Spurtacular]

Have you ever once backed up your conspiracy claims?

I'm going to take that as a no. And a rational non sociopath would consider that to typically be preposterous. Thus we see what a judge of character you are for starters. Why would I have an interest in trying to convince a sociopath of something?

[Pavlov]

I'm going to take that as a no. And a rational non sociopath would consider that to typically be preposterous. Thus we see what a judge of character you are for starters. Why would I have an interest in trying to convince a sociopath of something?You've never once backed up one of your conspiracy claims.

Not once.

To anyone.

Thus we see you are full of shit.

lol

[Spurtacular]

You've never once backed up one of your conspiracy claims.

Not once.

To anyone.

Thus we see you are full of shit.

lol

That was a nice little speech. Fact remains you're not a good judge of anything; and you're a sociopath.

[Pavlov]

That was a nice little speech. Fact remains you're not a good judge of anything; and you're a sociopath.You'll do and say anything to back out of explaining the conspiracy theories you bring up.

It's funny.

I'm laughing at you.

[Spurtacular]

You'll do and say anything to back out of explaining the conspiracy theories you bring up.

It's funny.

I'm laughing at you.

I don't need to argue "conspiracy theories" tooth and nail to please a sociopath. This obviously bothers you.

[koriwhat]

I don't need to argue "conspiracy theories" tooth and nail to please a sociopath. This obviously bothers you.

man you just keep hitting that nail dead center!!! fuck pavTHETIC and those just like him/her/it.

[Pavlov]

I don't need to argue "conspiracy theories" tooth and nail to please a sociopath. This obviously bothers you.Nah, you do exactly what I say you do.

It's fine that you run away like a pussy every time you are called out. I laugh every time.

[Spurtacular]

Nah, you do exactly what I say you do.

It's fine that you run away like a pussy every time you are called out. I laugh every time.

You get mad any time I don't go in the weeds with you. Par.

[Pavlov]

You get mad any time I don't go in the weeds with you. Par.:lmao You think explaining yourself is "the weeds."

Sorry it's too difficult for you.

[ElNono]

During WWII you can certainly look at the economic recovery, the nationalist pride, etc... but there's also dings that certainly went under the radar thanks to the outcome, like the Japanese internment camps, etc...

[Spurtacular]

:lmao You think explaining yourself is "the weeds."

Sorry it's too difficult for you.

I gave you an academic source. When I was unwilling to do a book report for you, you predictably threw a tantrum.

[Pavlov]

I gave you an academic source.That is not an academic source. The author is a journalist.

[Spurtacular]

That is not an academic source. The author is a journalist.

:cry But it's not in a university journal :cry

Is that what you're crying about, bruh?

:lmao

[Spurtacular]

During WWII you can certainly look at the economic recovery, the nationalist pride, etc... but there's also dings that certainly went under the radar thanks to the outcome, like the Japanese internment camps, etc...

Not justifying it. But how many do you think were actually Japanese informants and/or sympathizers?

[Pavlov]

:cry But it's not in a university journal :cry

Is that what you're crying about, bruh?

:lmaoIt's not an academic source.

You simply lied.

I don't know why.

[Spurtacular]

It's not an academic source.

You simply lied.

I don't know why.

So, you're saying there's a prohibition on using that book in an academic setting?

[Avante]

Nah, you do exactly what I say you do.

It's fine that you run away like a pussy every time you are called out. I laugh every time.

Don't you ever do anything else?

Wow!

[ElNono]

Not justifying it. But how many do you think were actually Japanese informants and/or sympathizers?

I have no idea, but the question works just as well in reverse: how many do you think were actually just innocent Japanese citizens?

Furthermore, it wasn't just Japanese citizens, but also American citizens with Japanese ancestry. Almost 60% of them were American citizens, denied due process.

Even more disgusting was the SCOTUS skirting the incarceration issue entirely. Really a bad dent on an otherwise good era.

[Avante]

America is totally amazing. Especially California.

Greatest place on Earth.

[Spurtacular]

I have no idea, but the question works just as well in reverse: how many do you think were actually just innocent Japanese citizens?

Furthermore, it wasn't just Japanese citizens, but also American citizens with Japanese ancestry. Almost 60% of them were American citizens, denied due process.

Even more disgusting was the SCOTUS skirting the incarceration issue entirely. Really a bad dent on an otherwise good era.

I don't think it works as well in reverse. I think the point is to what level of perverseness or sabotage were we willing to accept?

[ElNono]

I don't think it works as well in reverse. I think the point is to what level of perverseness or sabotage were we willing to accept?

Actually, the point, IMO, is how much can we shit on our national values of freedom and justice in the name of exigent circumstances.

Put yourself for a minute in the shoes of any American citizen (just like you), that suddenly one day is taken into a internment camp, with no recourse, no matter your opinion or your own personal circumstances. They weren't just first generation Japanese-Americans, it went all the way back to 2nd generation. We're talking some people that lived here all their lives.

I denounced the 'enemy combatant' status for American citizens also, it's really not that much different, and it's really unfortunate that some people didn't learn the lesson back then. Some people are probably willing to give up everything in the name of national security, I'm not.

[Chris]

R.I.P. Cuomo

[Socialist Boogeyman]

R.I.P. Cuomo
:lmao Chris did you have a good cry after that meltdown?

[Spurtacular]

Actually, the point, IMO, is how much can we shit on our national values of freedom and justice in the name of exigent circumstances.

Put yourself for a minute in the shoes of any American citizen (just like you), that suddenly one day is taken into a internment camp, with no recourse, no matter your opinion or your own personal circumstances. They weren't just first generation Japanese-Americans, it went all the way back to 2nd generation. We're talking some people that lived here all their lives.

I denounced the 'enemy combatant' status for American citizens also, it's really not that much different, and it's really unfortunate that some people didn't learn the lesson back then. Some people are probably willing to give up everything in the name of national security, I'm not.

I don't think there's any doubt that the Constitution was shat upon. I'm still asking what level of danger/risk you'd be willing to tolerate all the same.

[Avante]

We have all this football, the music, all these freedoms and here I sit totally $$$$$$$ secure for the rest of my life, yep, America is about as good as it gets. No place I'd rather be.

I've been to Mexico, Hong Kong, Japan, Thailand, South Korea, no thanks.

[ElNono]

I don't think there's any doubt that the Constitution was shat upon. I'm still asking what level of danger/risk you'd be willing to tolerate all the same.

We look at this from completely opposite angles. I'm not thinking of this in terms of national danger/risk, because that's just implicit in life. Any American can snap up and kill other Americans. Any American can decide one day to collude with the enemy (see what I did there? lol).

Denying the freedom of an American citizen in his own soil, without access to the courts and to defend themselves (due process) is probably among the worst things we could do as a nation. It shits on absolutely everything we claim we stand for. There's absolutely core values that should never be stepped on, regardless of the risks or dangers, freedom is one of them, IMO.

[Spurtacular]

We look at this from completely opposite angles. I'm not thinking of this in terms of national danger/risk, because that's just implicit in life. Any American can snap up and kill other Americans. Any American can decide one day to collude with the enemy (see what I did there? lol).

Denying the freedom of an American citizen in his own soil, without access to the courts and to defend themselves (due process) is probably among the worst things we could do as a nation. It shits on absolutely everything we claim we stand for. There's absolutely core values that should never be stepped on, regardless of the risks or dangers, freedom is one of them, IMO.

I respect your p.o.v. I guess I'm just wondering what danger there was if any that there were internment camps. I suspect some of the history has been buried.

[Pavlov]

So, you're saying there's a prohibition on using that book in an academic setting?I'm saying it's not an academic source and you lied about that.

[Spurtacular]

I'm saying it's not an academic source and you lied about that.

So, you're saying that a well-researched book has no academic value.

[Pavlov]

So, you're saying that a well-researched book has no academic value.I'm saying it's not an academic source. I don't know why you lied about that but you did.

[Spurtacular]

I'm saying it's not an academic source. I don't know why you lied about that but you did.

:lol "Lied"
:lol Bruh, it's an academic source. You're just disputing the level of the source, which is obviously lame.
:lol Sociopath chump looking for more tiny W's.

[Pavlov]

:lol "Lied"
:lol Bruh, it's an academic source. You're just disputing the level of the source, which is obviously lame.
:lol Sociopath chump looking for more tiny W's.No, I'm disputing that it is an academic source.

I think The Looming Tower is currently the definitive history of the origins of Al Qaeda, but it is not an academic source. It's a great nonfiction book written by a journalist.

Besides, I've seen nothing from Black claiming the kind of Nazi/FDR conspiracy from which you are currently running. That's your conspiracy theory so you have to explain it yourself.

[Spurtacular]

I think The Looming Tower is currently the definitive history of the origins of Al Qaeda,

Then, it's a great source.

:lol Sociopath Chump looking for a semantic victory.

[Pavlov]

Then, it's a great source.It's not an academic source.

lol ignoring the rest of the post.

I've seen nothing from Black claiming the kind of Nazi/FDR conspiracy from which you are currently running. That's your conspiracy theory so you have to explain it yourself.

[Spurtacular]

It's not an academic source.

lol ignoring the rest of the post.

I've seen nothing from Black claiming the kind of Nazi/FDR conspiracy from which you are currently running. That's your conspiracy theory so you have to explain it yourself.

You've "ignored" plenty of questions. I get that you're doing your 'lil technical jargon spiel, bruh. But I gladly concede the point; you get your tiny W. :lol

[Pavlov]

You've "ignored" plenty of questions. I get that you're doing your 'lil technical jargon spiel, bruh. But I gladly concede the point; you get your tiny W. :lolI've seen nothing from Black claiming the kind of Nazi/FDR conspiracy from which you are currently running. That's your conspiracy theory so you have to explain it yourself.

[Spurtacular]

I've seen nothing from Black claiming the kind of Nazi/FDR conspiracy from which you are currently running. That's your conspiracy theory so you have to explain it yourself.

The govt. was surely aware of IBM's collaboration with Nazi powers. The only debate could be to what level did they know it.

[Pavlov]

The govt. was surely aware of IBM's collaboration with Nazi powers. The only debate could be to what level did they know it."Collaboration"? As far as I can tell IBM sold tech to a totalitarian leader when the US was a neutral country. You're going to have to explain how that equals "FDR was in with Hitler."

[Spurtacular]

"Collaboration"? As far as I can tell IBM sold tech to a totalitarian leader when the US was a neutral country. You're going to have to explain how that equals "FDR was in with Hitler."

Their subsidiary customized and maintained the information tech that allowed the Nazis to systematically kill the Jews.

[Pavlov]

Their subsidiary customized and maintained the information tech that allowed the Nazis to systematically kill the Jews.The German subsidiary?

In Germany?

Oh.

[Spurtacular]

Denying the freedom of an American citizen in his own soil, without access to the courts and to defend themselves (due process) is probably among the worst things we could do as a nation. It shits on absolutely everything we claim we stand for. There's absolutely core values that should never be stepped on, regardless of the risks or dangers, freedom is one of them, IMO.

Sure, that's the tenant, generally speaking. But what if we allowed the enemy in in mass numbers at a time of war? Again, I just wonder if the govt. had a lot of credible information to arguably justify it. As it is, I've said that FDR is/was a tyrant. He did one of the "worst things" and the establishment still routinely ranks him in the top five (often one or two).

[Spurtacular]

The German subsidiary?

In Germany?

Oh.

Dehomag

[Pavlov]

DehomagRight, basically they made the German census data searchable and helped the trains run well. That certainly made it easier to kill Jews after they decided to do so, but so did making the trains and taking the census in the first place.

Where's the jump to "FDR was in cahoots with Hitler"?

[Spurtacular]

Right, basically they made the German census data searchable and helped the trains run well. That certainly made it easier to kill Jews after they decided to do so, but so did making the trains and taking the census in the first place.


:lol That's part of it. They did do the census which helped to identify all of the Jews, including what percent of Jew they were. They also made individualized info for every Jew for the Nazis to track them, use them, and exterminate them in the most efficient manner possible. And they did so with IBM not prohibiting it.

[Spurtacular]

Where's the jump to "FDR was in cahoots with Hitler"?

Hitler awarded the highest civilian honor to Watson. FDR wanted Watson and commerce secretary. I get that you want me to prove it like I'm in court; you know I'm not going to care enough to do that.

[Pavlov]

Hitler awarded the highest civilian honor to Watson. FDR wanted Watson and commerce secretary. I get that you want me to prove it like I'm in court; you know I'm not going to care enough to do that.I get that you can only spout out some innuendo then run away.

I never expect you to back up your claims because you never have.

And you never will.

The only question is how many backflips and distractions you will attempt before declaring it's not worth your time.

lol

[Spurtacular]

I get that you can only spout out some innuendo then run away.

I never expect you to back up your claims because you never have.

And you never will.

The only question is how many backflips and distractions you will attempt before declaring it's not worth your time.

lol

Well, I tell you in advance my outlook that it's not worth my time. But you want your small W's very badly. :lmao

[Pavlov]

Well, I tell you in advance my outlook that it's not worth my time. But you want your small W's very badly. :lmaoJust tell us in advance you'll always run away from your conspiracy claims when you're called out on them.

Be honest.

[Spurtacular]

Just tell us in advance you'll always run away from your conspiracy claims when you're called out on them.

Be honest.

:lmao I tell you in advance that I'm willing to put forth general observations or conclusions or theories without making a court case out of it.
:lmao If you weren't a sociopath you would've gotten this a long time ago.

[Sociopath Chump]

:lmao I tell you in advance that I'm willing to put forth general observations or conclusions or theories without making a court case out of it.
:lmao If you weren't a sociopath you would've gotten this a long time ago.

:lmao Yea, you admit in advance that you lost.

[Pavlov]

:lmao I tell you in advance that I'm willing to put forth general observations or conclusions or theories without making a court case out of it.
:lmao If you weren't a sociopath you would've gotten this a long time ago.lol you're really bent out of shape about this.

That's why it's fun to call you out.

[Chucho]

This is awful. Somehow, I'm getting notified like I'm being quoted by Pavlov when he quoted Derp. FML.

[Pavlov]

My fault. Think I fixed it.

[Avante]

lol you're really bent out of shape about this.

That's why it's fun to call you out.

Pavlov, what is wrong with you?

[Spurtacular]

Pavlov, what is wrong with you?

Obviously that he doesn't know how to avoid jousts (and that he likes to get his handed to him).

[rmt]

Actually, the point, IMO, is how much can we shit on our national values of freedom and justice in the name of exigent circumstances.

Put yourself for a minute in the shoes of any American citizen (just like you), that suddenly one day is taken into a internment camp, with no recourse, no matter your opinion or your own personal circumstances. They weren't just first generation Japanese-Americans, it went all the way back to 2nd generation. We're talking some people that lived here all their lives.

I denounced the 'enemy combatant' status for American citizens also, it's really not that much different, and it's really unfortunate that some people didn't learn the lesson back then. Some people are probably willing to give up everything in the name of national security, I'm not.

Reminds me of going to the ER with a bad cough during the SARS breakout and they put me in infectious quarantine even though I told them I'd never been to China or out of the country for 5 years - put me on so many antibiotics that I had to stop nursing youngest child.

[Reck]

R.I.P. Cuomo

:lol

RIPs is your catchphrase. Much like BOOMs are TSA's.

The more you say it, the more desperate you guys get with zero results.

[Spurtacular]

R.I.P Any pretense of Reck's heterosexuality. :lmao