Religion poisons everything

[RandomGuy]

:(

As clear of an example of why and how "faith" is a toxic concept. It can justify ANYTHING, and using the threat of eternal torture to get others to do what you want them to do, especially children, is immoral no matter what the reason.


‘Weaponization of faith’: Examples from clergy abuse report

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A landmark grand jury report on clergy abuse in six Roman Catholic dioceses in Pennsylvania detailed how priests often used religious rituals, symbols of the faith and the threat of eternity in hell to groom, molest and rape children.

Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro called it the “weaponization of faith.”

Some of the examples cited in the report, released Tuesday, of how over 300 “predator priests,” dating back to the 1940s, used the children’s own religious faith and trust in them as religious leaders to victimize and silence them:
https://www.apnews.com/8d0245fd14924dbdb1c2d28366efb896

[clambake]

pizzagate? nope, it was religious leaders.



at the very tip top.

[Winehole23]

eh, what about youth clubs, organized sports, schools, foster families and the corrections system?

just because opportunities for child abuse can be found there hardly means that scouting, sports, education, adopting parents and the justice system poison everything they touch.

[clambake]

eh, what about youth clubs, organized sports, schools, foster families and the corrections system?

just because opportunities for child abuse can be found there hardly means that scouting, sports, education, adopting parents and the justice system poison everything they touch.

i think this thread was made so we can shit on religion. step up

[RandomGuy]

eh, what about youth clubs, organized sports, schools, foster families and the corrections system?

just because opportunities for child abuse can be found there hardly means that scouting, sports, education, adopting parents and the justice system poison everything they touch.

but religion isn't required to do any of that. There is nothing that organized religion can do, that can't be done without it.

[Spurminator]

As clear of an example of why and how "faith" is a toxic concept. It can justify ANYTHING, and using the threat of eternal torture to get others to do what you want them to do, especially children, is immoral no matter what the reason.

That's silly. This is like saying "pride" and "dignity" are toxic concepts. You can justify awful actions in the name of pride. You can compell terrible actions by appealing to dignity or honor. You might commit disgusting crimes because of "emotion." Are you going to call emotion a toxic concept?

Seems you're stretching yourself to justify a predisposition against religion. There's nothing wrong with disliking religion but your hyperbole is off-putting and counterproductive.

[DarrinS]

Catholic Church definitely has a pedo problem

[RandomGuy]

That's silly. This is like saying "pride" and "dignity" are toxic concepts. You can justify awful actions in the name of pride. You can compell terrible actions by appealing to dignity or honor. You might commit disgusting crimes because of "emotion." Are you going to call emotion a toxic concept?

Seems you're stretching yourself to justify a predisposition against religion. There's nothing wrong with disliking religion but your hyperbole is off-putting and counterproductive.

It isn't hyperbole. Faith is believing without evidence.

You can literally believe anything on faith, which many use to guide them on what is true about reality, and what is not.

It is toxic to reason.

You may argue about emotion if you wish, that is not my argument. Sorry.

[clambake]

Catholic Church definitely has a pedo problem

not just that, darrins. it was a cover-up from the very tip top.


imagine that shit for a minute.

[Pavlov]

The #pizzagate crowd here hasn't said one word about this.

The sheer numbers are shocking and they don't even include Philadelphia from what I gather.

That said, the Lifetime testimonial tape with the piano music was tone deaf.

[Spurminator]

It isn't hyperbole. Faith is believing without evidence.

You can literally believe anything on faith, which many use to guide them on what is true about reality, and what is not.

It is toxic to reason.

That's not what you said. You said it's toxic because it can be used to justify "anything."

Bad people use a lot of things are used to justify terrible actions, that doesn't make those things toxic in and of themselves.

And it's not like religious nuts would otherwise be completely rational devotees to science if their religion didn't exist. Ignorant people tend to fill in the blanks of their own understanding with whatever makes sense to them. And manipulative people will never be without some platform to trick the ignorant.

This is the same thing Republicans do when they promote fear of Muslims, immigrants, blacks, etc. You take terrible actions, you find the most obvious trait that you (and likeminded people) don't have in common with them, and you claim that to be the fundamental reason for the action.

An immigrant hits someone with their car? "See? Immigration is dangerous!"

Catholic priests manipulate children into sex? "See? Religion is toxic!"

It's textbook confirmation bias.

[Spurminator]

The #pizzagate crowd here hasn't said one word about this.

Yep, pretty pathetic. But it's not like we thought they were ever sincere.

[CosmicCowboy]

It isn't hyperbole. Faith is believing without evidence.

You can literally believe anything on faith, which many use to guide them on what is true about reality, and what is not.

It is toxic to reason.

You may argue about emotion if you wish, that is not my argument. Sorry.

You could say the same thing about partisan politics on both sides.

[Spurtacular]

Three posts for cuck Blake in the first nine. Who would've guessed. :lol

[clambake]

Three posts for cuck Blake in the first nine. Who would've guessed. :lol

you got nothing to say about reck?

[SpursforSix]

but religion isn't required to do any of that. There is nothing that organized religion can do, that can't be done without it.

You said it poisons “everything”.

[Spurtacular]

you got nothing to say about reck?

She's not the one with the extreme Christianity grudge. Nor did she even post, cuck. :lol

[spurraider21]

typical RG hyperbole

religion poisons everything
republicans are morally bankrupt
trump's diminished capacity literally renders him unfit to be president

[SpursforSix]

It isn't hyperbole. Faith is believing without evidence.

Incorrect.

[pgardn]

Christian Churches are the most consistent in helping really horrible situations in foreign countries imo. They may go to evangelize as well, but who the hell cares if they bring food, water and medicine. During natural disasters here they also consistently stay at it. I actually saw a church bus from SA still helping clean up and build in some of the poorest neighborhoods in Aransas Pass towards Rockport this summer.

The Jesus was good model still exists.

But of course many people just see Joel Olsteen or Chris (name change suggested) when someone mentions Christians. Which is understandable...

[Chucho]

Random Guy going into one of his downward spirals and showcasing his first class bigotry and intolerance of a group of people who he doesn't understand. He's right and everyone else who is a person of faith- the vast majority of the world- is wrong and are poisoned garbage. Way to Hitler it up, RG.

[spurraider21]

Random Guy going into one of his downward spirals and showcasing his first class bigotry and intolerance of a group of people who he doesn't understand. He's right and everyone else who is a person of faith- the vast majority of the world- is wrong and are poisoned garbage. Way to Hitler it up, RG.
he's one of the people who actually has trump derangement syndrome tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VABSoHYQr6k

[TeyshaBlue]

Random Guy going into one of his downward spirals and showcasing his first class bigotry and intolerance of a group of people who he doesn't understand. He's right and everyone else who is a person of faith- the vast majority of the world- is wrong and are poisoned garbage. Way to Hitler it up, RG.

/Thread

[Winehole23]

i think this thread was made so we can shit on religion. step upheard

[FrostKing]

Drug/alcohol use is UP. Suicide rate is UP. Debt is UP.

The future is a subtle foundation of religion. Parents need a teammate before internet and social pressure takes over. Society needs an anchor of morality. Adds respect and integrity.

[Winehole23]

...

[Winehole23]

pizzagate? nope, it was religious leaders.



at the very tip top.it's perfectly insidious. the church protected abusers.

the beef is legit.

the attempt to hide shame made it even worse.

[FrostKing]

it's perfectly insidious. the church protected abusers.

the beef is legit.

the attempt to hide shame made it even worse.

Ah. There is poor quality pizza being droned all over our country right now and this is your sick reaction

[Winehole23]

it's not sick to mention that pedophile priests were protected by their superiors, it's known to a legal certainty and not just here in the USA.

[StinkyWeezleteats]

I used to work in a small town and it amazes me how they still live in the past as far as technology, managerial styles, and just personalities in general. What was the common denominator with each "higher up" that worked there? They are all hardcore Baptists. The company is failing, people are leaving left and right, and they just do not understand why. They have interest in new ideas that go against what "worked in the past", but obviously is not working anymore. My point to all of this is yet another example of how religion brings any free-thinking or progress to a screeching halt. Religion is a way to control the masses in the name of God which, to me, is the biggest scandal in the history of humanity. It's 2018 people. Wake up and stop blindly following scam artists and pedos that hide behind that robe and God.

[clambake]

well, ok then

[pgardn]

If it’s a way to control the masses it’s not working very well.

Some of the largest reform movements in history against governments, despots, kings have come from religious groups. And when religion colluded with the government (Catholic Church and various popes, Rome, on and on...) the results have been fairly disastrous.

That controlling idea on a worldwide scale thru history is fairly simplistic. Especially if religious choice has been optional. Now when you get church/state getting too close, that’s has proven to be very toxic imo. Conservatives in this country don’t seem to fully understand the push back against getting religion involved with government and schools. Need a history lesson. It is interesting to me that Protestants especially, feel under attack when the origins of the Protestant movement particularly involved the graft and collusion between church and state. That is a dangerous road.

Jim Jones type stuff is gonna happen. Religion is easy to blame. Some people are just lost and wanna feel a part of something. Making friends with other outcasts and Drugs can also do the trick. Lots of roads to take.

[pgardn]

well, ok then

Clammer.

I have written my usual expertly crafted piece. Full of bad punctuation, repetitive and otherwise unintelligible.
Please give her a read.

[clambake]

interesting perspective. I'm from ulster. imagine what i think about religion.

[Blake]

That said, the Lifetime testimonial tape with the piano music was tone deaf.

:lol

[Blake]

Christian Churches are the most consistent in helping really horrible situations in foreign countries imo. They may go to evangelize as well, but who the hell cares if they bring food, water and medicine.

That kinda sucks.

Seems like sitting through a time share presentation just to survive

[StinkyWeezleteats]

If it’s a way to control the masses it’s not working very well.

Some of the largest reform movements in history against governments, despots, kings have come from religious groups. And when religion colluded with the government (Catholic Church and various popes, Rome, on and on...) the results have been fairly disastrous.

That controlling idea on a worldwide scale thru history is fairly simplistic. Especially if religious choice has been optional. Now when you get church/state getting too close, that’s has proven to be very toxic imo. Conservatives in this country don’t seem to fully understand the push back against getting religion involved with government and schools. Need a history lesson. It is interesting to me that Protestants especially, feel under attack when the origins of the Protestant movement particularly involved the graft and collusion between church and state. That is a dangerous road.

Jim Jones type stuff is gonna happen. Religion is easy to blame. Some people are just lost and wanna feel a part of something. Making friends with other outcasts and Drugs can also do the trick. Lots of roads to take.

Agree with the bolded part.

The controlling part I was referring to were the actual religious people, mainly conservative Christians, being controlled. They make up the majority of the U.S. population, so how is that not the masses? Yes, I know Christian guy reading my post, not all of you are like that.

So if I am not a religious person I am a drug addict outcast that just "wants to be a part of something" so I will choose to bash religion? Why do we need labels? That's exactly what organized religion is about, labels. If you don't agree with me then you're an outcast or drug addict. Come on...

[101A]

but religion isn't required to do any of that. There is nothing that organized religion can do, that can't be done without it.


Bring a group of like minded people together to share and experience worship?

[101A]

I used to work in a small town and it amazes me how they still live in the past as far as technology, managerial styles, and just personalities in general. What was the common denominator with each "higher up" that worked there? They are all hardcore Baptists. The company is failing, people are leaving left and right, and they just do not understand why. They have interest in new ideas that go against what "worked in the past", but obviously is not working anymore. My point to all of this is yet another example of how religion brings any free-thinking or progress to a screeching halt. Religion is a way to control the masses in the name of God which, to me, is the biggest scandal in the history of humanity. It's 2018 people. Wake up and stop blindly following scam artists and pedos that hide behind that robe and God.


What a fresh take. I've never heard that before.

[DMC]

It's not religion per se, it's the ability to hide in a forgiving system where people are taught to ignore their internal warning system. This is where child predators hide because they can and because parents are bound by divine edict to entrust the safety of their children with random individuals. I don't think that's a religious issue, I believe that's a problem of human frailty. We will always find some reason to look for comfort in large groups of people even if they're moving in the direction that doesn't really make any sense to us.

There's also the problem of organizations of any type that have a vested interest in remaining viable hiding infractions to save the group. Hell the Catholic church is one of the most guilty of this and have been probably for centuries. Of course it happens in police departments, workplaces, the military and just about everywhere. People cover their own asses and religious groups seem particularly prone to isolationism.

With all that said, there is a huge huge issue with grown fucking people believing in invisible overlords. To do so in a role-playing game is one thing, but people do it in their life and they make life and death decisions for them and others around them. That's a big fucking issue.

[StinkyWeezleteats]

Bring a group of like minded people together to share and experience worship?

What a fresh take. Never heard that one before.

[StinkyWeezleteats]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by RandomGuy (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9511641#post9511641)
but religion isn't required to do any of that. There is nothing that organized religion can do, that can't be done without it.




Bring a group of like minded people together to share and experience worship?

Why do we need to be a part of an organized religion to do that?

[DMC]

but religion isn't required to do any of that. There is nothing that organized religion can do, that can't be done without it.

Yet you have a contradictory position and that you believe morality is absolute. We could get into how that's even possible without a standard but we've been down that path before and you eventually fall back on your opinion.

[DMC]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by RandomGuy (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9511641#post9511641)
but religion isn't required to do any of that. There is nothing that organized religion can do, that can't be done without it.





Why do we need to be a part of an organized religion to do that?

Either way you have religion. It's either organized or disorganized. So you have a bunch of people show up to worship, some of them are worshiping Allah some of them worshiping God some of them are worshipping Vishnu some of them are burning incense out of your asshole to Buddha. I don't think that's going to work very well. You can't cross the streams.

[DMC]

Drug/alcohol use is UP. Suicide rate is UP. Debt is UP.

The future is a subtle foundation of religion. Parents need a teammate before internet and social pressure takes over. Society needs an anchor of morality. Adds respect and integrity.

So then we might as well just make up some bullshit and go with that. Believing something that isn't true doesn't solve The Riddles of life.

[FrostKing]

Religion is as much of a problem as neo-liberalism

[Blake]

Religion is as much of a problem as neo-liberalism

Probably not

[StinkyWeezleteats]

Either way you have religion. It's either organized or disorganized. So you have a bunch of people show up to worship, some of them are worshiping Allah some of them worshiping God some of them are worshipping Vishnu some of them are burning incense out of your asshole to Buddha. I don't think that's going to work very well. You can't cross the streams.

And that's fine, have religion. By all means go worship whatever you believe in. My problem is all the other s*it that comes along with it; the narrow-mindedness, the ignorance, the holier than though attitude, and worst of all the hypocrisy. Again, I know this is not everyone, but I rarely meet a religious person that does not fall in one or all of these categories.

[StinkyWeezleteats]

So then we might as well just make up some bullshit and go with that. Believing something that isn't true doesn't solve The Riddles of life.

It's simple and easy. It requires little or not thought. Why is this the way it is? Hmmm idk so I will just say God instead of opening a book and learning something.

[Chucho]

So then we might as well just make up some bullshit and go with that. Believing something that isn't true doesn't solve The Riddles of life.

WHERE'S YOUR PROOF!

[Blake]

And that's fine, have religion. By all means go worship whatever you believe in. My problem is all the other s*it that comes along with it; the narrow-mindedness, the ignorance, the holier than though attitude, and worst of all the hypocrisy. Again, I know this is not everyone, but I rarely meet a religious person that does not fall in one or all of these categories.

I don't even care about hypocrites and holier than thou attitudes. Just stop pushing it into public policy.

[StinkyWeezleteats]

I don't even care about hypocrites and holier than thou attitudes. Just stop pushing it into public policy.

:clap:clap:clap Separation of church and state:clap:clap:clap

[StinkyWeezleteats]

WHERE'S YOUR PROOF!

Bend over. I will fucking show you some proof. :spin

[FrostKing]

Probably not
Hollywood has its own pedophiles

[StinkyWeezleteats]

Hollywood has its own pedophiles

Whataboutism at its finest. Keep on truckin!

[101A]

the narrow-mindedness, the ignorance, the holier than though attitude...

Sounds like democratic socialists.

[clambake]

Hollywood has its own pedophiles

hollywood is not a religion.

[101A]

What a fresh take. Never heard that one before.

Exactly. I thought RG asked a rhetorical question.

[StinkyWeezleteats]

Sounds like democratic socialists.

How so? Please explain yourself. Thanks!

[FrostKing]

hollywood is not a religion.
Hollywood is a cult and neo-liberalism is an ideology

[101A]

How so? Please explain yourself. Thanks!

No problem.

Democratic socialists are narrow-minded, ignorant, and have a holier than though attitude.

[clambake]

pffft

[StinkyWeezleteats]

No problem.

Democratic socialists are narrow-minded, ignorant, and have a holier than though attitude.

Exactly. Thank you, Murica.

[Chucho]

No problem.

Democratic socialists are narrow-minded, ignorant, and have a holier than though attitude.


Republicans are narrow minded and ignorant as well. Anyone who is fully partisan is going to be that way. I do agree that Demos have a whole lot more of the "holier-than-thou" attitude tho. Morality is not aligned with political affiliation whatsoever even though it's alarming how many people think so.

[101A]

Republicans are narrow minded and ignorant as well. Anyone who is fully partisan is going to be that way. I do agree that Demos have a whole lot more of the "holier-than-thou" attitude tho. Morality is not aligned with political affiliation whatsoever even though it's alarming how many people think so.

I agree many party loyalists are as you described, but I didn't mean to suggest all Democrats are Democratic Socialists. Democratic Socialists (Occasio Cortez types) are the type that came to mind when I read the original stereotype of religious folk.

[Blake]

Hollywood has its own pedophiles

Hollywood has plenty of conservatives

[pgardn]

That kinda sucks.

Seems like sitting through a time share presentation just to survive

Taking medicine, eating, and drinking water, allow one to regain consciousness in order to listen to the time share drivel.

[Blake]

Taking medicine, eating, and drinking water, allow one to regain consciousness in order to listen to the time share drivel.

Heaven time shares. Gated community, gold maintained streets, etc.

[pgardn]

interesting perspective. I'm from ulster. imagine what i think about religion.

Well that got tangled with the political English/Irish mess.
Catholics and Protestants with their respective kings, landowners etc... that does not help the mess. There is some history to this. Sorry if you have to go through the later part of it. I found out going to Ireland they are not particularly fond of the English. The cab divers in Ireland (Cork anyways) will give you their story if you ask them. They like to gripe to Americans. Then tell us everything we do wrong with Christmas.

And some English are absolutely livid we have a college football team named “The Fighting Irish”

[pgardn]

Heaven time shares. Gated community, gold maintained streets, etc.

It still helps to listen on a full stomach and feeling well.
Starvation and parasites make it difficult to concentrate.

[clambake]

cork is where we would go on vacation.

[pgardn]

cork is where we would go on vacation.

I refused to kiss the Blarney Stone. Yea we Wandered off to castles and such. I was astounded they deposited their intestinal waste thru narrow slits in the walls of the castles high up (which were still stained). And of course the various rooms for firing arrows and dumping oil on attackers. Very pleasant stuff. And very cold and wet in December.

[clambake]

actually, we'd go there for a respite and wound licking.

[AaronY]

Hollywood is a cult and neo-liberalism is an ideology
lol

Oh no not neo-liberalism! That dangerous ideology!

[Chucho]

lol

Oh no not neo-liberalism! That dangerous ideology!

Seriously. You can't be dangerous if you can't even win easily winnable elections.

[Blake]

Seriously. You can't be dangerous if you can't even win easily winnable elections.

:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

RG couldn't leave this shit pile of an OP fast enough.

[pgardn]

Agree with the bolded part.

The controlling part I was referring to were the actual religious people, mainly conservative Christians, being controlled. They make up the majority of the U.S. population, so how is that not the masses? Yes, I know Christian guy reading my post, not all of you are like that.

So if I am not a religious person I am a drug addict outcast that just "wants to be a part of something" so I will choose to bash religion? Why do we need labels? That's exactly what organized religion is about, labels. If you don't agree with me then you're an outcast or drug addict. Come on...

If you want to be controlled there are much better outlets than religion.
Christians change churches all the time if a pastor does not interpret Biblical verse in a way that fits their particular faith.
I could say HS football is a way to control aggressive male adolescents and I’d make your controlling masses in the US more valid.

People tend to associate with other people who are more like them. I see it as more like joining your local Moose Lodge. Some people will worship the grand Moose and some want to interact. Most are gonna leave if they get ordered around.

[ElNono]

I disagree it poisons everything, tbh, and it's probably the most ancient form of civil control. It was much more effective in the past through social pressures (mostly out of ignorance). Anything that includes fear as a major component is a direct appeal to emotions.

That said, as we've grown out of it, we've created similar secular activities and non-exact sciences that try to fill that personal void which some people seek to fill one way or another (psychology comes to mind).

But religion does work for some people in positive ways, same with psychology. We can debate if it's just a mental trick, it's just weak minded people, people going through an existential phase in their lives, etc., but we can't avoid recognizing that it does work for some people, whatever those reasons might be.

It's certainly not for everybody, and I think that's also very important to point out. Especially to those that really try to crowbar it into a lot of other uninterested people.

[pgardn]

I disagree it poisons everything, tbh, and it's probably the most ancient form of civil control. It was much more effective in the past through social pressures (mostly out of ignorance). Anything that includes fear as a major component is a direct appeal to emotions.

That said, as we've grown out of it, we've created similar secular activities and non-exact sciences that try to fill that personal void which some people seek to fill one way or another (psychology comes to mind).

But religion does work for some people in positive ways, same with psychology. We can debate if it's just a mental trick, it's just weak minded people, people going through an existential phase in their lives, etc., but we can't avoid recognizing that it does work for some people, whatever those reasons might be.

It's certainly not for everybody, and I think that's also very important to point out. Especially to those that really try to crowbar it into a lot of other uninterested people.

I wish I had written this.
But I did not.

[DMC]

And that's fine, have religion. By all means go worship whatever you believe in. My problem is all the other s*it that comes along with it; the narrow-mindedness, the ignorance, the holier than though attitude, and worst of all the hypocrisy. Again, I know this is not everyone, but I rarely meet a religious person that does not fall in one or all of these categories.

All that already exists without a mechanism for channeling it.

[DMC]

It's simple and easy. It requires little or not thought. Why is this the way it is? Hmmm idk so I will just say God instead of opening a book and learning something.

From childhood when we cover our heads at night thinking we're safer from the creature in the closet to adulthood where we symbolically profess to believe in a human mental construct out of peer pressure, we are always just one step shy of complete irrationality.

[DMC]

:clap:clap:clap Separation of church and state:clap:clap:clap

That's not what that means.

[DMC]

Hollywood has plenty of conservatives

Yes, Hollywood and California in general are well known conservative strongholds. :tu

[pgardn]

From childhood when we cover our heads at night thinking we're safer from the creature in the closet to adulthood where we symbolically profess to believe in a human mental construct out of peer pressure, we are always just one step shy of complete irrationality.

The very basics of what we think are rational ventures in logic are not.
They are very human constructs.
Its time to stop thinking we think perfectly rationally in any endeavor including science and math. The power of predictability has got us drunk. This is not to say religion takes its place.

[Avante]

I know a lot of people heavy into their religion, they are far better off than those who...bah humbug ..religion.

[Blake]

Yes, Hollywood and California in general are well known conservative strongholds. :tu

The changing narrative

[Blake]

I know a lot of people heavy into their religion, they are far better off than those who...bah humbug ..religion.

You're not into religion.

[Avante]

You're not into religion.

Judy and all her family are knee deep into religion. So I see how powerful it really is. Only idiots and fools can't see how good it is for a person. I see those without it and it's a sad situation.

I don't buy the Bible stories, but there is no doubt this didn't all come about by chance. DNA proves that. I have no doubts if in some foxhole with the bad guys closing in it;s......Oh Dear God....

[JakeCuenca]

Athesit have committed more murders, genocide etc in the history of mankind.

The Golden age of Greeks, Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc all ushered advancement in society.

[Avante]

Athesit have committed more murders, genocide etc in the history of mankind.

The Golden age of Greeks, Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc all ushered advancement in society.

All the atheists I know are weaklings.

[boutons_deux]

Athesit have committed more murders, genocide etc in the history of mankind.

The Golden age of Greeks, Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc all ushered advancement in society.

goddamn, you're fucking stupid.

wars between religions have killed many 100Ms of people. eg, today, the Muslim vs Hindu genocide in Myanmar,

the Jewish genocide/ethnic cleansing of Muslims

And religions have tortured, killed Ms of people for violating their particular religion's bullshit

And this week we have the systematically, morally bankrupt Catholic Church exposed, yet again (and there's much more to come) as valuing its self-preservation over the lives of children.

The Catholic Church rode with the European ships to invade and assist in genocide of indigenous peoples on every continent. The CC started the War on Drugs in the Americas

goddamn, you're fucking stupid.

[DMC]

The very basics of what we think are rational ventures in logic are not.
They are very human constructs.
Its time to stop thinking we think perfectly rationally in any endeavor including science and math. The power of predictability has got us drunk. This is not to say religion takes its place.

If I take your advice, why should I believe anything you just said?

For the most part, we all allow some room for error in our initial assessments.

[DMC]

Athesit have committed more murders, genocide etc in the history of mankind.

The Golden age of Greeks, Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc all ushered advancement in society.

ok

[Blake]

Judy and all her family are knee deep into religion. So I see how powerful it really is. Only idiots and fools can't see how good it is for a person. I see those without it and it's a sad situation.

I don't buy the Bible stories, but there is no doubt this didn't all come about by chance. DNA proves that. I have no doubts if in some foxhole with the bad guys closing in it;s......Oh Dear God....

So yeah, you're not into religion.

[Blake]

Athesit have committed more murders, genocide etc in the history of mankind.

The Golden age of Greeks, Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc all ushered advancement in society.

:lol