The Pac12

[Avante]

So many quality QB 's have come from that conference. And they just keep coming.

Why Tom Brady left California for Michigan?

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

probably too many batty boys on the limpwristed coast

[Avante]

probably too many batty boys on the limpwristed coast

That was dumb.

[Avante]

What other conference compares to this when it comes to QB;'s

Terry Baker
Gary Beban
John Brodie
Warren Moon
Aaron Rodgers
Troy Aikman
Andrew Luck
Danny White
Matt Lienert
Carson Palmer
Drew Bledsoe
Mark Brunell
Jake Plummer
Dan Fouts
Josh Roshen
Sam Darnold

Hmmm?

[playblair]

big12 produces the best college qbs

[Avante]

big12 produces the best college qbs

Prove it.

[FrostKing]

Best conference for womens sports. In CFB and CBB the Conference is 2nd tier at this point. No HOF quality Quarterback since Carson Palmer almost 15 years ago

Best QBs over the past Decade is probably ACC. Ryan, Wilson, Winston and Watson

[Avante]

Best conference for womens sports. In CFB and CBB the Conference is 2nd tier at this point. No HOF quality Quarterback since Carson Palmer almost 15 years ago

Best QBs over the past Decade is probably ACC. Ryan, Wilson, Winston and Watson

Wilson more Big10.

Pac12

Andrew Luck
Marcus Mariota
Jared Goff
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen

[Pelicans78]

The Pac12 has easily been the worst Power 5 conference in football and basketball the past two seasons. Troubling trend which will probably change this season with Washington, Oregon, Stanford, USC, and Utah looking like strong teams.

[Avante]

The Pac12 has easily been the worst Power 5 conference in football and basketball the past two seasons. Troubling trend which will probably change this season with Washington, Oregon, Stanford, USC, and Utah looking like strong teams.

It's when you take into consideration all the sports from an historical perspective that the PAC12 shines. So many great athletes and teams. And I do look at the impact PAC12 athletes make on the next level.

[FrostKing]

It's when you take into consideration all the sports from an historical perspective that the PAC12 shines. So many great athletes and teams. And I do look at the impact PAC12 athletes make on the next level.
I already made this point in my OP when I stated the Pac10 is the best in womens sports. Resources are not unlimited. There is also for example water polo, field hockey, and soccer etc etc.

In CFB, the schools don't invest enough in coaching salaries or facilities to compete. CBB is a head scratcher but I think the West Coast (and North-East) have the best small schools in the sport so the talent is spread out while in the Mid-West and South it is concentrated in Big 5 schools. Still no excuse why UCLA can't consistently roll out an elite 14 man roster.

[Avante]

I already made this point in my OP when I stated the Pac10 is the best in womens sports. Resources are not unlimited. There is also for example water polo, field hockey, and soccer etc etc.

In CFB, the schools don't invest enough in coaching salaries or facilities to compete. CBB is a head scratcher but I think the West Coast (and North-East) have the best small schools in the sport so the talent is spread out while in the Mid-West and South it is concentrated in Big 5 schools. Still no excuse why UCLA can't consistently roll out an elite 14 man roster.

I confess, I pay...0....attention to women in sport.

I agree with the meat of your post. If all the Cali kids stayed here....whoa! Then there is our JC situation, must be 100 JC's in Cali. Aaron Rodgers a JCer.

[Vito Corleone]

There is a really good chance the Pac will miss the playoffs again this year.

If you have an undefeated Oklahoma vs any undefeated Pac school not named USC, the committee will pick Oklahoma every time. Same with Texas. This goes for a one loss Texas/ Oklahoma. The only way Pac makes the playoffs is if the big 12 champ has 2 losses and the Pac champs has one loss or less. Even then right now the #2 SEC team will likely have more claim on a playoff spot than a Pac school.

[Avante]

There is a really good chance the Pac will miss the playoffs again this year.

If you have an undefeated Oklahoma vs any undefeated Pac school not named USC, the committee will pick Oklahoma every time. Same with Texas. This goes for a one loss Texas/ Oklahoma. The only way Pac makes the playoffs is if the big 12 champ has 2 losses and the Pac champs has one loss or less. Even then right now the #2 SEC team will likely have more claim on a playoff spot than a Pac school.

No conference compares to the SEC when it comes to football.

Texas has been sucking for awhile now. Haven't won 8 games in a season since 2013. Not sure they carry much weight anymore.

Depth is where the PAC12 overwelmes the Big12. Far more good teams.

But what if it is an undefeated USC team? The Trojans just as revered as Oklahoma.

[playblair]

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[Vito Corleone]

No conference compares to the SEC when it comes to football.

Texas has been sucking for awhile now. Haven't won 8 games in a season since 2013. Not sure they carry much weight anymore.

Depth is where the PAC12 overwelmes the Big12. Far more good teams.

But what if it is an undefeated USC team? The Trojans just as revered as Oklahoma.

The likelihood is Texas will win between 9 and 11 games this year. Vegas put the over/under for Texas at 8 wins, I think it's actually 10 wins. We will find out what this team looks like come Saturday.

The quality teams in the Big 12 are Oklahoma, Texas, TCU and Okie Lite/ WVU. The quality teams in the Pac are Washington, Oregon, USC and Stanford. Maybe Utah.

That is 5 for each conference, so your argument doesn't really have water.

The Trojans are the only true named school in the conference and if both Oklahoma and Trojans were undefeated I think a lot of the weight will be on how each team looked against Texas. It would be toss up and possibly a case where the Big 10 is left out. There are lots of variables in this, but no one is going to keep the SEC out and I don't see the ACC being kept out unless the champ is anyone other than Clemson/FSU.

[Avante]

In the last three seasons Texas has gone 17-20, BOOM...10 wins....nay!

You are letting your TEXAS YES...show.

Looking at the last five seasons the BIG12 has Texas, Iowa St, TT, Kansas with losing records. Only Colorado/ OSU in the PAC12.

Quality PAC12 teams would also include WSU, they won 9 games in 2017, which is more than Texas,WV.

I'm not one to jump the gun on anything, do go with the....give things some time. Let's see how it goes.

[Vito Corleone]

In the last three seasons Texas has gone 17-20, BOOM...10 wins....nay!

You are letting your TEXAS YES...show.

Looking at the last five seasons the BIG12 has Texas, Iowa St, TT, Kansas with losing records. Only Colorado/ OSU in the PAC12.

Quality PAC12 teams would also include WSU, they won 9 games in 2017, which is more than Texas,WV.

I'm not one to jump the gun on anything, do go with the....give things some time. Let's see how it goes.

Lol, Past performance is not a indication of future results. If you knew anything about ...well anything you would know this. If it was, then Texas would never be bad.

If you knew anything about Texas you would also know they are about as experienced as any school out there, and not just experienced but experienced at key positions. Texas also is loaded with plenty of NFL talent. About the only team Texas won't be favored to beat is Oklahoma, and that is still up in the air.

[FrostKing]

I'll give Pac10 credit for their parity but dominance is low. Too much passing usually creates a soft run defense on the roster and Pac10 gets steam rolled by the size of the Eastern offensive lines

[Avante]

Lol, Past performance is not a indication of future results. If you knew anything about ...well anything you would know this. If it was, then Texas would never be bad.

If you knew anything about Texas you would also know they are about as experienced as any school out there, and not just experienced but experienced at key positions. Texas also is loaded with plenty of NFL talent. About the only team Texas won't be favored to beat is Oklahoma, and that is still up in the air.

And if you knew anything at all you'd know Texas hasn't done anything in a long time to hint an improving three games in a season.

When it comes to the best player in the BIG12 by position, Texas has nobody.

Weak at QB, weak at RB, yes newbie WR Collin Johnson should make some impact.

Experienced? Not on that offense.

NFL talent?....loaded with it?

3.6 average rushing?

Looking at STREET & SMITH 2018 College Football Preview.....no Texas Longhorn on their first or second teams. They also rank Texas....23.

They talk about...Shane Buechele and Sam Ehlinger need to do better than 18/11.

I simply don't buy what you're trying to sell.

Why do you think Vegas has 8 wins, there is a reason for that.

[Avante]

I'll give Pac10 credit for their parity but dominance is low. Too much passing usually creates a soft run defense on the roster and Pac10 gets steam rolled by the size of the Eastern offensive lines

What?

Ah.....steam rolled by Eastern offensive lines...? Give me some examples.

[FrostKing]

What?

Ah.....steam rolled by Eastern offensive lines...? Give me some examples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3qQH5M-YRg

[playblair]

Avante pac 12 no explanation needed ......... pac12 = weakest power 5 conference

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[FrostKing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFAejQi05vI

[Avante]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3qQH5M-YRg

I always think of Ohio State being in the midwest not the East.

[Avante]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFAejQi05vI

USC has won 11 National Championships, Texas 4.

And if Bush doesn't pull that stupid lateral, 12 to 3.

[Avante]

Avante (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33483) pac 12 no explanation needed ......... pac12 = weakest power 5 conference

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I don't think you are really getting it. I look at things from an historical perspective, one season means little in the grand sceme of things.

And who is talking just football?

[Vito Corleone]

And if you knew anything at all you'd know Texas hasn't done anything in a long time to hint an improving three games in a season.

When it comes to the best player in the BIG12 by position, Texas has nobody.

Weak at QB, weak at RB, yes newbie WR Collin Johnson should make some impact.

Experienced? Not on that offense.

NFL talent?....loaded with it?

3.6 average rushing?

Looking at STREET & SMITH 2018 College Football Preview.....no Texas Longhorn on their first or second teams. They also rank Texas....23.

They talk about...Shane Buechele and Sam Ehlinger need to do better than 18/11.

I simply don't buy what you're trying to sell.

Why do you think Vegas has 8 wins, there is a reason for that.

Lol, You really should stick to the basketball board, football isn't your thing. The fact you are getting your information from Street and Smith tells me all I need to know.

If you followed Texas last year you would know the reason for the issues with the offense wasn't the QB, RB, or WRs, it was injuries to the offensive line. Texas lost 6 guys from the 2 deep last year. Including their best player in Connor Williams. It's hard to run an offense when there is a bunch of young pups thrown in with the big dogs. Well the offensive line is healthy, and Texas picked up one of the best offensive linemen in the country in Calvin Anderson. This line as long as it's healthy will be opening up holes and giving the QBs time to throw. And they will be throwing to the best set of receivers TExas has ever put on the field. You like to boast about California athletics, well, Let me introduce you to Collin Johnson. He is a clone of Dez Bryant, you will see him soon enough.

Yes, Texas will improve over 3 games. Here is why.

In the 6 losses Texas faced last year USC, Oklahoma, TCU and OSU all had game changing QBs. This year all 4 are breaking in brand new guys, USC is starting a true Freshmen, and Oklahoma is starting a midget. I like Texas chances in all 4 games. I can guarantee that Texas's scoring average will go up over 10 pts per game.

The real strength of this Texas team is still the defense. Texas is crazy strong on the dline and linebackers. Texas is always deep and strong in the secondary, but the front 7 is absolutely loaded.

To be honest, this Texas team reminds me of the 2000 blOwU team. That team went 8-5 in 1999 and then undefeated in 2000. With a few lucky bounces I could Texas winning every game on it's schedule. I know every game on it's schedule is very winnable.

[Avante]

Lol, You really should stick to the basketball board, football isn't your thing. The fact you are getting your information from Street and Smith tells me all I need to know.

If you followed Texas last year you would know the reason for the issues with the offense wasn't the QB, RB, or WRs, it was injuries to the offensive line. Texas lost 6 guys from the 2 deep last year. Including their best player in Connor Williams. It's hard to run an offense when there is a bunch of young pups thrown in with the big dogs. Well the offensive line is healthy, and Texas picked up one of the best offensive linemen in the country in Calvin Anderson. This line as long as it's healthy will be opening up holes and giving the QBs time to throw. And they will be throwing to the best set of receivers TExas has ever put on the field. You like to boast about California athletics, well, Let me introduce you to Collin Johnson. He is a clone of Dez Bryant, you will see him soon enough.

Yes, Texas will improve over 3 games. Here is why.

In the 6 losses Texas faced last year USC, Oklahoma, TCU and OSU all had game changing QBs. This year all 4 are breaking in brand new guys, USC is starting a true Freshmen, and Oklahoma is starting a midget. I like Texas chances in all 4 games. I can guarantee that Texas's scoring average will go up over 10 pts per game.

The real strength of this Texas team is still the defense. Texas is crazy strong on the dline and linebackers. Texas is always deep and strong in the secondary, but the front 7 is absolutely loaded.

To be honest, this Texas team reminds me of the 2000 blOwU team. That team went 8-5 in 1999 and then undefeated in 2000. With a few lucky bounces I could Texas winning every game on it's schedule. I know every game on it's schedule is very winnable.

Been watching the Longhorns play since they were in the old SWC. Trust me when I tell you I can talk about Longhorns you have never even heard of. Football is my thing, so another wrong.

So only Texas has injuries? And where is all that NFL talent? I'll ask again, so why does Vegas have them at 8.5 and if you don't think STREET & SMITH doesn't know football then you can add that to your list of wrongs. Talk to me about the MEAC, oh yeah, ya can't. Yep STREET & SMITH has it totally broke down.

Texas is nothing special and only a TEXAS YES YES like you can't see that. Fanboys, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~

Check out all the polls.

Texas (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/article191112769.html) and Texas A&M (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/football/article188568449.html) are both given some respect despite coming off 7-6 seasons. The Longhorns (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/article191286904.html) are given a ranking of No. 22 or better by Sports Illustrated (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article171331462.html), ESPN (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article177585961.html) and Yahoo Sports. The Aggies (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/football/article192731584.html) are ranked No. 24 by CBS Sports and No. 25 by S.I. TCU, which finished 9th in the final Associated Top 25, was ranked 16th by ESPN and 18th by S.I. but ignored by CBS and Yahoo.

Read more here: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article195209359.html#storylink=cpy



Nowhere is Texas ranked in the top 20. there is a reason for that, just like Vegas having them at 8.5, yep....it simply makes sense and these people aren't TEXAS YES YES.

[Vito Corleone]

Been watching the Longhorns play since they were in the old SWC. Trust me when I tell you I can talk about Longhorns you have never even heard of. Football is my thing, so another wrong.

So only Texas has injuries? And where is all that NFL talent? I'll ask again, so why does Vegas have them at 8.5 and if you don't think STREET & SMITH doesn't know football then you can add that to your list of wrongs. Talk to me about the MEAC, oh yeah, ya can't. Yep STREET & SMITH has it totally broke down.

Texas is nothing special and only a TEXAS YES YES like you can't see that. Fanboys, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~

Check out all the polls.

Texas (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/article191112769.html) and Texas A&M (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/football/article188568449.html) are both given some respect despite coming off 7-6 seasons. The Longhorns (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/article191286904.html) are given a ranking of No. 22 or better by Sports Illustrated (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article171331462.html), ESPN (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article177585961.html) and Yahoo Sports. The Aggies (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/football/article192731584.html) are ranked No. 24 by CBS Sports and No. 25 by S.I. TCU, which finished 9th in the final Associated Top 25, was ranked 16th by ESPN and 18th by S.I. but ignored by CBS and Yahoo.

Read more here: https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article195209359.html#storylink=cpy



Nowhere is Texas ranked in the top 20. there is a reason for that, just like Vegas having them at 8.5, yep....it simply makes sense and these people aren't TEXAS YES YES.


NFL Talent - For the 2019 Draft

WR Collin Johnson* - Think Dez Bryant without all the baggage.
Calvin Anderson - He would have been a 3rd round pick last year, he will be a first round pick next year.
Brecklyn Hagar
Charles Omenihu
Malcolm Roach*
Jeffery McCollough*
Gary Johnson
Chris Boyd
Davante Davis
Brandon Jones*
Tre Watson

That is 11 guys.

Texas has a few others that could also get drafted if they have a good season, Patrick Vahe, Anthony Wheeler, , PJ Locke, Lil Jordan Humphries, and Jerod Heard.
All those guys have a bright NFL future and the ones with the * are underclassmen that are likely to declair after next year.

Any more questions? I think you need to have a seat in the corner, you don't know anything about Texas football.

[Avante]

NFL Talent - For the 2019 Draft

WR Collin Johnson* - Think Dez Bryant without all the baggage.
Calvin Anderson - He would have been a 3rd round pick last year, he will be a first round pick next year.
Brecklyn Hagar
Charles Omenihu
Malcolm Roach*
Jeffery McCollough*
Gary Johnson
Chris Boyd
Davante Davis
Brandon Jones*
Tre Watson

That is 11 guys.

Texas has a few others that could also get drafted if they have a good season, Patrick Vahe, Anthony Wheeler, , PJ Locke, Lil Jordan Humphries, and Jerod Heard.
All those guys have a bright NFL future and the ones with the * are underclassmen that are likely to declair after next year.

Any more questions? I think you need to have a seat in the corner, you don't know anything about Texas football.

Dude, you really aren't getting this at all. Stop with this ridiculous.....you don't know....ok? There is nothing about Texas football I don't know.

How many current Longhorns in the NFL? Why isn't Texas ranked higher in the polls?

And don;t tell me Collin Johnson is anything right now, ya should know better than that. And cool this ridiculous....bright NFL future....hahaha!

This is going to be fun.

[Vito Corleone]

Dude, you really aren't getting this at all. Stop with this ridiculous.....you don't know....ok? There is nothing about Texas football I don't know.

How many current Longhorns in the NFL? Why isn't Texas ranked higher in the polls?

And don;t tell me Collin Johnson is anything right now, ya should know better than that. And cool this ridiculous....bright NFL future....hahaha!

This is going to be fun.

I see words, but all I'm reading is blah blah blah blah blah there isn't anything I don't know, blah blah blah blah blah.

Here is what I know.

Texas lost 3 games to Oklahoma, USC and Okie Lite, Those 3 teams are worse this year than they were last year. Texas is far and away a better team.

You spout off stats that you pull off of ESPN but you have no idea about the story behind the stat.

Texas averaged 4.3 yards per carry last year, after losing most of their two deep offensive line, at the end of the year, Texas had 8 bodies total along the offensive line. I've been watching college football since 1978, and I've never seen anything like that. What you don't see is Texas had two grad transfers, Calvin Anderson, a left Tackle that is 6'6 and 320 lbs of pure lean muscle, and Tre Watson, a RB from Cal that has already won the starting RB spot. Both are huge upgrades at their positons. Texas also has for the first time depth at the QB spot and 2 experienced QBs. That position is going to be hugely upgraded. Texas also has the best receiving corp I've ever seen in all my years of watching Texas football.

The offense is going to be great this year. The defense will show no signs of slipping.

This team will not go undefeated, but it isn't going to lose very many either. 10-2 or 11-1 is my prediction.

BTW - I don't care how many current Longhorns are in the NFL, none of them are going to help Texas win a single game this year, I care only about the current roster. Now, run along to your ESPN site and find some more worthless stats to throw out there, you obviously can't talk about real people or real sports.

[playblair]

pac 12 haz the sexiest thots/best weather of any conference recruits should be lining up to play in pac12 pac12 should be where the sec is

[Avante]

I see words, but all I'm reading is blah blah blah blah blah there isn't anything I don't know, blah blah blah blah blah.

Here is what I know.

Texas lost 3 games to Oklahoma, USC and Okie Lite, Those 3 teams are worse this year than they were last year. Texas is far and away a better team.

You spout off stats that you pull off of ESPN but you have no idea about the story behind the stat.

Texas averaged 4.3 yards per carry last year, after losing most of their two deep offensive line, at the end of the year, Texas had 8 bodies total along the offensive line. I've been watching college football since 1978, and I've never seen anything like that. What you don't see is Texas had two grad transfers, Calvin Anderson, a left Tackle that is 6'6 and 320 lbs of pure lean muscle, and Tre Watson, a RB from Cal that has already won the starting RB spot. Both are huge upgrades at their positons. Texas also has for the first time depth at the QB spot and 2 experienced QBs. That position is going to be hugely upgraded. Texas also has the best receiving corp I've ever seen in all my years of watching Texas football.

The offense is going to be great this year. The defense will show no signs of slipping.

This team will not go undefeated, but it isn't going to lose very many either. 10-2 or 11-1 is my prediction.

BTW - I don't care how many current Longhorns are in the NFL, none of them are going to help Texas win a single game this year, I care only about the current roster. Now, run along to your ESPN site and find some more worthless stats to throw out there, you obviously can't talk about real people or real sports.

And I see bogus stats.

Texas averaged 3.6 a carry in 2017, not 4.3, ok?

Okla, USC are ranked higher right now, why? Why is everything available out there totally disagreeing with you about Texas, well?

I've been watching college football since 1959, ok? Yep, long before secregation in the SWC. Seen some football my man, trust me.

All I see is the classic example of what a fanboy is. Totally unrealistic, can't see things for how they really are because they are blinded with bias.

Dude, show me where you got that 4.3 average, would love to see it. I just left the Texas site, yep...3.6 just like it says in this mag,

Then there's
Biggest weakness: Offensive line

The offensive line was horrific last season after left tackle Connor Williams suffered a knee injury. Texas mustered just 3.6 yards per carry and posted the No. 95 rushing offense with 139.6 yards per game. Somehow the pass protection was worse. The Longhorns allowed 34 sacks, which was good enough for No. 107 in the nation.

[FrostKing]

pac 12 haz the sexiest thots/best weather of any conference recruits should be lining up to play in pac12 pac12 should be where the sec is
Difference in fan bases thus boosters

To Westeners, CFB is a party. To Southeners it is Life.

[Avante]

pac 12 haz the sexiest thots/best weather of any conference recruits should be lining up to play in pac12 pac12 should be where the sec is

Tom Brady a Cali kid....Michigan?

If you love football, the place to be is the SEC. The passion shown there is on a totally different level than what we see out here.

I sometimes wonder what the south would have done if blacks still couldn't go to sChool there,(HBCU) with their passion for football, hmmm?

[Vito Corleone]

And I see bogus stats.

Texas averaged 3.6 a carry in 2017, not 4.3, ok?

Okla, USC are ranked higher right now, why? Why is everything available out there totally disagreeing with you about Texas, well?

I've been watching college football since 1959, ok? Yep, long before secregation in the SWC. Seen some football my man, trust me.

All I see is the classic example of what a fanboy is. Totally unrealistic, can't see things for how they really are because they are blinded with bias.

Dude, show me where you got that 4.3 average, would love to see it. I just left the Texas site, yep...3.6 just like it says in this mag,

Then there's
Biggest weakness: Offensive line

The offensive line was horrific last season after left tackle Connor Williams suffered a knee injury. Texas mustered just 3.6 yards per carry and posted the No. 95 rushing offense with 139.6 yards per game. Somehow the pass protection was worse. The Longhorns allowed 34 sacks, which was good enough for No. 107 in the nation.

The online at Texas has been a weakness since 2006. This year is the first I am optimistic.

Calvin Anderson is a grad transfer, in last years NFL draft he received a 3rd round grade, he decided to come back and he transferred to Texas where he is now the starting left Tackle taking over for Connor Williams.

Patrick Vahe is not a senior with 31 career starter he was named honorable mention All Big 12 last year and is on the Outland watch list.

Zack Shackleford - Junior - 17 career starts, named preseason All-Big 12, on the Remmington Watch List

Derek Kerrstetter - True Sophomore - started 10 games last season at right tackle; won the starting spot this year in a dog fight with Sam Cosmi;

Elijah Rodriguez - Senior - missed most of last year with an injury. Won the starting Right Guard spot

Patrick Hudson - Soph - Missed most of last year with an injury.

Denziel Okafor - junior - Started 4 games last year at left tackle; he is a backup this year

Sam Cosmi - Redshirt Freshmen - He and Kerrstetter were in a dog fight for the starting right tackle spot. He is excellent depth and figures to take over for Anderson next year at Left Tackle.

Tope Imade - Junior - was in a dog fight pre-season with Patrick Vahe for the starting Left guard spot. Will be excellent depth.

Last year Texas ended the season with 8 total healthy bodies on the oline. as of right now they have a legit 9 man rotation going into this year.

This line is going to be a lot better than they were last year, they will be deep enough that they will be able to red-shirt all of their incoming freshmen, something Texas hasn't done in over 10 years. Proof is in the pudding, we are going to find out who is right and who is wrong in about 15 hours.

[Avante]

The online at Texas has been a weakness since 2006. This year is the first I am optimistic.

Calvin Anderson is a grad transfer, in last years NFL draft he received a 3rd round grade, he decided to come back and he transferred to Texas where he is now the starting left Tackle taking over for Connor Williams.

Patrick Vahe is not a senior with 31 career starter he was named honorable mention All Big 12 last year and is on the Outland watch list.

Zack Shackleford - Junior - 17 career starts, named preseason All-Big 12, on the Remmington Watch List

Derek Kerrstetter - True Sophomore - started 10 games last season at right tackle; won the starting spot this year in a dog fight with Sam Cosmi;

Elijah Rodriguez - Senior - missed most of last year with an injury. Won the starting Right Guard spot

Patrick Hudson - Soph - Missed most of last year with an injury.

Denziel Okafor - junior - Started 4 games last year at left tackle; he is a backup this year

Sam Cosmi - Redshirt Freshmen - He and Kerrstetter were in a dog fight for the starting right tackle spot. He is excellent depth and figures to take over for Anderson next year at Left Tackle.

Tope Imade - Junior - was in a dog fight pre-season with Patrick Vahe for the starting Left guard spot. Will be excellent depth.

Last year Texas ended the season with 8 total healthy bodies on the oline. as of right now they have a legit 9 man rotation going into this year.

This line is going to be a lot better than they were last year, they will be deep enough that they will be able to red-shirt all of their incoming freshmen, something Texas hasn't done in over 10 years. Proof is in the pudding, we are going to find out who is right and who is wrong in about 15 hours.

Cool, now show me where ya got that 4.3 average per carry, ok?

[Vito Corleone]

Lol,

3 hours til kickoff and you are worried about a typo. About a stat from last year that has no bearing on this year. This is why it's hard to take you serious, if I want to know who ran a 100 meters on some day 20 years ago and how they did, i know you will have the answer.

When it comes to actual sports, I might as well be talking to a Dementia patient.

It's all well and good because I follow Texas football, I follow what is going on in practice I listen to what the coaches have to say. Then I draw my conclusions. Now I'm going to watch my team and a few others and I will reform my opinions based on actual on field play. If you want to talk to me about football, I expect the same from you. If all you are going to do is read the stat line then don't bother.

[Avante]

Lol,

3 hours til kickoff and you are worried about a typo. About a stat from last year that has no bearing on this year. This is why it's hard to take you serious, if I want to know who ran a 100 meters on some day 20 years ago and how they did, i know you will have the answer.

When it comes to actual sports, I might as well be talking to a Dementia patient.

It's all well and good because I follow Texas football, I follow what is going on in practice I listen to what the coaches have to say. Then I draw my conclusions. Now I'm going to watch my team and a few others and I will reform my opinions based on actual on field play. If you want to talk to me about football, I expect the same from you. If all you are going to do is read the stat line then don't bother.

3.6 vs 4.3 is not a typo, ok, that is you being taken to school so own it.

Tell us all again about how Texas is a 10 win team, ok? YOU, talking dementia...hahahahaha~~~~~

[FrostKing]

Taggart brought the gimmicky Pac10 offense to the ACC and got blown out by Virginia Tech

[Avante]

Taggart brought the gimmicky Pac10 offense to the ACC and got blown out by Virginia Tech

Hard to run that gimmicky PAC12 offense without PAC12 speed.

[FrostKing]

Hard to run that gimmicky PAC12 offense without PAC12 speed.
First black coach in program history

- Rap music during practices
- Dancing before the opening kickoff
- stupid black alternate uniforms


FSU about to decline to "cool" mediocrity

[Avante]

First black coach in program history

- Rap music during practices
- Dancing before the opening kickoff
- stupid black alternate uniforms


FSU about to decline to "cool" mediocrity


Don't act like a rookie and over react to one game, ok?

[playblair]

Hard to run that gimmicky PAC12 offense without PAC12 speed.

pac12 speed disappeared 10+ years ago...........big 12 has the fastest players

this is the pac12s modern standard
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/times-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/4a/84acb75e-80e4-5af2-8c8b-bac5684399f4/53e361d22508f.image.jpg

[Vito Corleone]

Pac 12 is the only conference the Big 12 can make fun of.

[Vito Corleone]

3.6 vs 4.3 is not a typo, ok, that is you being taken to school so own it.

Tell us all again about how Texas is a 10 win team, ok? YOU, talking dementia...hahahahaha~~~~~

Lets see what they look like against USC. I will repeat, Texas has the talent to win 10 games, the real question is do they have the coaches or the QB to do so? I'm willing to let the season play out.

[FrostKing]

Don't act like a rookie and over react to one game, ok?
The black AD (whom has since left for NCAA job) openly admitted breaking barrier was a motive for hiring Taggart. All off-season i had to read celebrating "changing the culture".

On Warchant (FSU rivals board) alot of complaining about the new hired DJ. That he played mix tape Rap the entire game. FSU has a band, no reason for the "club music".

Everything we judge Miami Fl for, we are becoming. Yay diversity.

[Avante]

pac12 speed disappeared 10+ years ago...........big 12 has the fastest players

this is the pac12s modern standard
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/times-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/4a/84acb75e-80e4-5af2-8c8b-bac5684399f4/53e361d22508f.image.jpg

Go ahead talk to me about the speed of the Big12 in football, what.....no clue?

Try some reality, ok?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Of1zMAQRPY




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0ykGgFuEVE

10.3 sprinter.

4.22 40 man




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnz6MPmtp4E

[Avante]

Pac 12 is the only conference the Big 12 can make fun of.

Don't really know much about either do ya?

[Avante]

Lets see what they look like against USC. I will repeat, Texas has the talent to win 10 games, the real question is do they have the coaches or the QB to do so? I'm willing to let the season play out.

No they don't. Dude, stop with this ridiculous .......I like Texas, Texas good....ok? No way in hell Texas has anything that even hints at a 10 win season.

KEEP IT REAL~~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

How about some more recent PAC12 speed.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVid_hrnXrM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFNMGzPb0xw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-HVJ_CFYHs

One of the fastest 110 HH in the World, a USA Champion.

[Avante]

While in HS he was the nations number one 400m sprinter.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aLPm38LBwg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rACt2L1atMI

Cali State 100m Champ.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD6RYhFUQ0E

[Avante]

They just keep coming.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAHNDuQgulw

Oh hell no the PAC12 hasn't had speed since way back when, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfULzKCFaxo

[Killakobe81]

I already made this point in my OP when I stated the Pac10 is the best in womens sports. Resources are not unlimited. There is also for example water polo, field hockey, and soccer etc etc.

In CFB, the schools don't invest enough in coaching salaries or facilities to compete. CBB is a head scratcher but I think the West Coast (and North-East) have the best small schools in the sport so the talent is spread out while in the Mid-West and South it is concentrated in Big 5 schools. Still no excuse why UCLA can't consistently roll out an elite 14 man roster.

agreed. its shameful. obviously U$C is the top dog in So Cal football but UCLA should do better.

[Killakobe81]

pac 12 haz the sexiest thots/best weather of any conference recruits should be lining up to play in pac12 pac12 should be where the sec is

Should be but they they dont live and breathe football like in SEC country ...

[Blake]

Damn Avante curse in effect for the whole Pac12 conference.

Nice work

[Vito Corleone]

Ehlinger has his moments when he does something good, but for the most part, he is a terrible QB

[Vito Corleone]

Don't look now, but the moral victories are going to be out in full force.

[Avante]

What in the hell is going on here?

[Avante]

Damn Avante curse in effect for the whole Pac12 conference.

Nice work

Dude, why are you still here? I put a curse on you. WHAT...it didn't work?

[Avante]

Too soft, is what I'm seeing. Where is that..GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR....at?

Pissed.

[Vito Corleone]

The likelihood is Texas will win between 9 and 11 games this year. Vegas put the over/under for Texas at 8 wins, I think it's actually 10 wins. We will find out what this team looks like come Saturday.

The quality teams in the Big 12 are Oklahoma, Texas, TCU and Okie Lite/ WVU. The quality teams in the Pac are Washington, Oregon, USC and Stanford. Maybe Utah.

That is 5 for each conference, so your argument doesn't really have water.

The Trojans are the only true named school in the conference and if both Oklahoma and Trojans were undefeated I think a lot of the weight will be on how each team looked against Texas. It would be toss up and possibly a case where the Big 10 is left out. There are lots of variables in this, but no one is going to keep the SEC out and I don't see the ACC being kept out unless the champ is anyone other than Clemson/FSU.

Hey Avante, where are you? Time to eat some crow.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Vit-Own3d

[Blake]

Dude, why are you still here? I put a curse on you. WHAT...it didn't work?

Not how it works, dummy

[Blake]

Ehlinger has his moments when he does something good, but for the most part, he is a terrible QB

Time to eat some crow

[Vito Corleone]

Time to eat some crow

I ate that crow long ago, and had seconds. The kid has grown up a lot this year, I'm now excited to have him as our QB.

[FrostKing]

College Baseball Final 8

No Pac-10 schools

[Blake]

College Baseball Final 8

No Pac-10 schools

Worse is that they had none in basketball.

Only Oregon in the sweet 16.

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/tbknmkr/Screenshot-2019-06-15-18-59-54-1.png

[FrostKing]

The state of Pac10 football

https://i.ibb.co/tHPpD2m/Screenshot-2020-01-09-12-39-10-1.png

[FrostKing]

Coach of Colorado bails after one season to Michigan State