Woj: Manu Ginobili Seriously Considering Retirement; Meeting w/ Pop to Discuss Future

[MoSpur02]

Like he might retire

[Cardinal]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1032296470081400834

[BatManu20]

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[MoSpur02]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24445524/san-antonio-spurs-guard-manu-ginobili-seriously-considers-retirement

[BatManu20]

Losing Kawhi, Tony, Manu, and Danny all in the same offseason would be eating the proverbial shit sandwich, tbh.

[BatManu20]

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[DPG21920]

If this is it, thanks for everything and enjoy your family and seeing the world. One of the greatest to ever play and a Spur for life.

[DontStopBelieving]

Do your sources know anything Mo?

[BatManu20]

One more year :cry

[Chillen]

Maybe it's time he would know it if the body just can't handle another NBA season even if his mind can. I hope he comes back but pretty sure he is sick of losing to the Warriors at this point and busting his ass all season to have it end like that. Dude has 4 rings and an olympic gold medal, nothing to prove anymore.

If he comes back it's because he loves the game and Spurs culture and fans.

[J_Paco]

Losing Kawhi, Tony, Manu, and Danny all in the same offseason would be eating the proverbial shit sandwich, tbh.

Well, the loss of Tony and Manu was inevitable. Losing Kawhi and Danny so unexpectedly is definitely going to sting for the next season or more.

It'll be sad just like with Tony, but this is a bridge the team needs to cross eventually. And they have three young, hungry guards that could be the next generation...

[MoSpur02]

Do your sources know anything Mo?


Haven't asked, but definitely will ask.

[TimmyBuckets]

worst offseason ever.

[bklynspursfan]

:( If this is it, what an amazing last home game he had....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN3zbUJgPNQ

[BillMc]

One more year :cry

This.

[JakeCuenca]

TheGreatYacht

[bklynspursfan]

I think he'll be back ultimately personally, but we'll see.

So glad he and Pop can meet like men and discuss stuff, unlike... Nm

[timvp]

One more, Manu. Last season was frustrating but the Spurs need you to bridge the gap to the new era. Please.

Either way, thank you for everything.

[cpds421]

What’s going on with the SAEN? First they reported that the spurs were going to offer the supermax to Kawhi. Then they say that Manu is coming back for his 17th season and now Manu is considering retirement.

[Budkin]

He’ll be back for UNO MAS!

[timvp]

Oh and shout out to the Express-News for being a rather impressive dumpster fire. It's not easy being wrong so often while simultaneously telling the fans nothing of substance.

[NASpurs]

After what happened last year, I wouldn't blame him. Only the love of the game would make him keep going because the guy has nothing left to prove. Go and enjoy your time with your family Manu.

[RD2191]

Oh and shout out to the Express-News for being a rather impressive dumpster fire. It's not easy being wrong so often while simultaneously telling the fans nothing of substance.

:lol

[baseline bum]

I'm good with Manu retiring especially since he had such a great send off at the AT&T Center with his big Game 4 to beat Golden State. I'd love to have him back but in his shoes I think I'd just enjoy being able to be with my family year round and hang them up. With the money he has earned that $2.5 million he is under contract for might not be worth it to try to grind out another season at age 41, especially when the team doesn't even have a puncher's chance at a title.

[exstatic]

I'm good with Manu retiring especially since he had such a great send off at the AT&T Center with his big Game 4 to beat Golden State. I'd love to have him back but in his shoes I think I'd just enjoy being able to be with my family year round and hang them up. With the money he has earned that $2.5 million he is under contract for might not be worth it to try to grind out another season at age 41, especially when the team doesn't even have a puncher's chance at a title.

I'm quite sure that, like Tim, that money is coming to him anyway if he tells Pop he's hanging up his kicks.

[Chinook]

I know I'm often on the anti-Manu side of arguments, but I think it would be best for him to retire unless something dramatic changes with his role. It's just a good time to do it with White looking good and needing time, and with the team's shift in philosophy.

Anyway, I don't get the point of meeting with Pop. He already knows Pop wants him back and will always want him back. I doubt anything he hears will change his mind. Maybe he just wants assurances that that $2.5 Million will still go into his bank account. I believe a big part of why Tim remains active with the team is that he wants to feel like he's earning his money still. Maybe Manu feels uncomfortable with taking the cash and peacing? OR maybe Ginobili just wants to hear it from Pop that he's welcome back before deciding to play again. Manu's always seemed surprisingly insecure about his relationship with PATFO.

[LkrFan]

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[rjv]

the negative is that we would miss his veteran presence. the positive is that it will give younger players more rotation minutes in what will be a year where a title or contention is out of the question anyway.

[timvp]

In reality, Manu is less motivated to return with his long-time running mate, fellow Hall of Famer and, yes, good friend in Charlotte.

Oh the irony for Manufans the world over.

[TheGreatYacht]

The offseason that keeps on giving! - ElNono

[Red Eye Jedi]

Give us 1 more year Manu. You've given enough to the organization, but let us have the opportunity to show the appreciation you deserve.

[jyra]

Not looking forward to Forbes averaging 20+ mpg next season.

[SpurPadre]

Basically, he's gonna ask Pop: Is this team going to contend or are we a bunch of scrubs? If the latter, I'm out of here, tbh.

[Dex]

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[timvp]

Basically, he's gonna ask Pop: Is this team going to contend or are we a bunch of scrubs? If the latter, I'm out of here, tbh.

I can tell you that whether or not the Spurs are true contenders factors in zero to Manu's decision.

[TheGreatYacht]

TheGreatYacht (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43719)
He should sign a 10-day contract with the Heat and retire after the 8th day. Perfect ending to his career.

[Dex]

Really hope the title is just clickbait. I don't like the thought of Pop having to convince Manu to stay...because Pop won't. He will tell Manu to do what's best for himself.

[spurraider21]

fuckitty fuck fuck :depressed

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqUsrW3JRZM

[TheGreatYacht]

This thread belongs in the NBA forum now, tbh....

[K...]

He's gone, he keeps tweeting his sleep science stuff, . Move this thread to the club tbh

[SpursDynasty85]

I assume his conversation will be whether he feels they can contend and if he will be a regular part of the rotation. If this is the case it is a tough decision. Lots of guy need playing time already.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I know I'm often on the anti-Manu side of arguments, but I think it would be best for him to retire unless something dramatic changes with his role. It's just a good time to do it with White looking good and needing time, and with the team's shift in philosophy.

Anyway, I don't get the point of meeting with Pop. He already knows Pop wants him back and will always want him back. I doubt anything he hears will change his mind. Maybe he just wants assurances that that $2.5 Million will still go into his bank account. I believe a big part of why Tim remains active with the team is that he wants to feel like he's earning his money still. Maybe Manu feels uncomfortable with taking the cash and peacing? OR maybe Ginobili just wants to hear it from Pop that he's welcome back before deciding to play again. Manu's always seemed surprisingly insecure about his relationship with PATFO.

Crap take, Chinook.

Its got little to do with money (for either Tim or Manu) as you make it out to be.

It will boil down to what kind of role Pop expects from him and whether he trusts his body to allow him to play that role. Just as Tim retired the moment he realised that his right knee has conked and his high levels of playing were not any longer possible.

[Robz4000]

:depressed

Do you, Manu. Whether you come back or not, you're a legend.

[FkLA]

No. No. God. Please no.

[cjw]

About to be down three guys whose jerseys will be in the rafters

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[BillMc]

It would be a shame if we never get to see Manu run the p 'n r with Jakob Poeltl.

[benefactor]

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:depressed

Do you, Manu. Whether you come back or not, you're a legend.

[Phenomanul]

Uno más Manu...

[Russ]

Uno más Manu...

Dos o mas . . .

[TimmyBuckets]

More pressure on DD with no Manu. Hopefully he sticks around like Timmy. His presence alone is a huge difference maker.

[r0drig0lac]

sad

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

God damnit. Well its been a fun 18 years Spurs, but if Manu is done im done with San Antonio.

Can I get a name change?

[Chinook]

Crap take, Chinook.

Its got little to do with money (for either Tim or Manu) as you make it out to be.

It will boil down to what kind of role Pop expects from him and whether he trusts his body to allow him to play that role. Just as Tim retired the moment he realised that his right knee has conked and his high levels of playing were not any longer possible.

You didn't even understand what I said. First, it's obviously about the money in the that Tim wanted and got $6 Million. By the CBA, a player retiring defaults to no money. Second, that has almost nothing to do what I said, which is essentially that Manu isn't going to hear anything from Pop that will make him retire. Pop is always going to play Manu off the bench if he's there. That's what the "bar of soap" comment meant. Pop's not going to say "This year, I'm not going to play you." He just won't, even if there comes a time where he should. If Manu is really waiting for Pop to help make the decision, it's because he wants to come back.

But yes, Manu has been the most insecure about his role with the team out of the Big Three. Easily. Not remotely debateable. Only folks who disagree never really paid attention before.

[cd98]

To be honest, if the Spurs are counting on Manu for more than 15 minutes a game (and him playing 2/3 of the season), they are in trouble. I think the only reason why they need him is for locker room leadership, but again, I don't know how much of a presence he has in the locker room now. For selfish reasons, I'd like to see him go out and have another season like last year, where for about 6 or 7 games in the year, he does some great stuff that makes you miss what he once was. But for him, why bother? Kawhi just left and this team isn't beating the best teams in the west. He's getting paid regardless if he plays. Why not step aside and let the young players have their chance? Why not spend well-deserved time with his family. He has no shortage of basketball-related options to him after retirement.

I remember when Brent Barry called it quits. He had a bunch of offers to keep playing. Teams always need shooters and leadership. But he said that if he played, it would mean another young player not getting a chance. He figured he's sit and let the next generation have their time. Manu is probably starting to feel the same way.

[DJR210]

Either way I'm happy.. He comes back we celebrate him for another year and he feeds Poeltl with the 2nd unit on the pick and roll, he leaves and the future starts now. Win win IMO.

[HarlemHeat37]

This would kill my excitement for the NBA outside of every day gambling purposes, unfortunately..cheering for a team with Aldridge and Gasol was tough enough, but then losing Manu/Kawhi/Green/Parker while adding Gay and DeRozan?

Disgusting:lol

[timtonymanu]

I don’t blame him. Patty is all that’s left from the 2014 core. Marco too but he wasn’t here long enough.

Pretty fitting for a depressing offseason

[FkLA]

But for him, why bother? Kawhi just left and this team isn't beating the best teams in the west. He's getting paid regardless if he plays. Why not step aside and let the young players have their chance? Why not spend well-deserved time with his family. He has no shortage of basketball-related options to him after retirement.

He has the rest of his life to do everything else. This isnt your typical job or typical player either, it's something that he truly loves, that he has dedicated his entire life to, and that has set him and his family up for life. It'll probably hit him super hard when it's over.

[Proxy]

:depressed

[HarlemHeat37]

Look at this roster, it's as hideous as it gets in the NBA..

The 2 stars: Aldridge, a crybaby who asked for a trade because he didn't get enough touches..DeRozan, a man who is acting like he's the first player in the history of pro sports to get traded..he's on a depression tour across the continent, crying to anybody that will listen..

The other high-usage player is career cancer, Rudy Gay..the starting PG can't shoot, pass or dribble, he's only a star on IG..

They brought back the worst defensive wing of his generation to come off the bench, and I won't even elaborate on Pau Gasol's lazy, ostrich-looking soft ass..

Hopefully White and Walker actually play, otherwise this is an unwatchable team..please come back, Manu:(

[Dex]

Look at this roster, it's as hideous as it gets in the NBA..

The 2 stars: Aldridge, a crybaby who asked for a trade because he didn't get enough touches..DeRozan, a man who is acting like he's the first player in the history of pro sports to get traded..he's on a depression tour across the continent, crying to anybody that will listen..

The other high-usage player is career cancer, Rudy Gay..the starting PG can't shoot, pass or dribble, he's only a star on IG..

They brought back the worst defensive wing of his generation to come off the bench, and I won't even elaborate on Pau Gasol's lazy, ostrich-looking soft ass..

Hopefully White and Walker actually play, otherwise this is an unwatchable team..please come back, Manu:(

There are 29 other teams you can go watch, tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

There are 29 other teams you can go watch, tbh.

That's dumb, fans shouldn't be content with mediocrity and an unwatchable product..

[BatManu20]

That's dumb, fans shouldn't be content with mediocrity and an unwatchable product..

Well what are you suggesting we realistically do... We were blindsided by our retard autistic franchise player’s trade demand and we were placed behind the 8-Ball. PATFO don’t have many options. They screwed up the Patty and Gasol deals, but there’s not much they can about this offseason, especially with San Antonio not being a desirable Free Agent destination.

[exstatic]

That's dumb, fans shouldn't be content with mediocrity and an unwatchable product..

Fans of like 22 NBA teams are...

[ducks]

That's dumb, fans shouldn't be content with mediocrity and an unwatchable product..

that is what football is an unwatchable product
beat your wife girlfriend 4 game out so much for you do you out
he also was out 4 games last year for ped use.
Criminals

[ducks]

wonder if gay would accept the row off the bench like manu

[BatManu20]

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[coachmac87]

I know I'm often on the anti-Manu side of arguments, but I think it would be best for him to retire unless something dramatic changes with his role. It's just a good time to do it with White looking good and needing time, and with the team's shift in philosophy.

Anyway, I don't get the point of meeting with Pop. He already knows Pop wants him back and will always want him back. I doubt anything he hears will change his mind. Maybe he just wants assurances that that $2.5 Million will still go into his bank account. I believe a big part of why Tim remains active with the team is that he wants to feel like he's earning his money still. Maybe Manu feels uncomfortable with taking the cash and peacing? OR maybe Ginobili just wants to hear it from Pop that he's welcome back before deciding to play again. Manu's always seemed surprisingly insecure about his relationship with PATFO.

It’s clearly about his role and the teams plan for this season...

[coachmac87]

Look at this roster, it's as hideous as it gets in the NBA..

The 2 stars: Aldridge, a crybaby who asked for a trade because he didn't get enough touches..DeRozan, a man who is acting like he's the first player in the history of pro sports to get traded..he's on a depression tour across the continent, crying to anybody that will listen..

The other high-usage player is career cancer, Rudy Gay..the starting PG can't shoot, pass or dribble, he's only a star on IG..

They brought back the worst defensive wing of his generation to come off the bench, and I won't even elaborate on Pau Gasol's lazy, ostrich-looking soft ass..

Hopefully White and Walker actually play, otherwise this is an unwatchable team..please come back, Manu:(

“Unwatchable” yet you will watch and live on this forum like you always do...

Stop pretending you know so much...

[YGWHI]

Ginobili has been working out regularly in the Spurs practice facility in preparation for the season

Don't get this. Why would a player work for this new season if he's gonna retire? I think the meeting with Pop is just to confirm that the team still needs him as vocal leader in the locker room to transmit Spurs culture to the young guys and the new players in SA like DD and Jakob.

However, if Manu's retirement means more minutes for Derrick White and even for Lonnie, I'd like it. Maybe its time to retire...

[wildbill2u]

The fact that he will talk it over with Pop before making or announcing his decision shouldn't be news to anyone. Either way he decides, I would love to be a fly on the wall during that discussion.

[Atl Spur]

I love Manu but it’s time to move on injury free!

[bklynspursfan]

wonder if gay would accept the row off the bench like manu

Of course he would, he came off the bench most of the season.

[spurs1990]

The article mentions he's continuously working out in San Antonio, and it's one month until training camp.

A compromise would be to announce his retirement after this season, and then the entire league can celebrate him for every game in his swan season.
I fully expect a generous applause and appreciation at every final road opponent after he declares it being his final season.

He's an icon for the game.

[John B]

the negative is that we would miss his veteran presence. the positive is that it will give younger players more rotation minutes in what will be a year where a title or contention is out of the question anyway.
Agree.

[J_Paco]

In reality, Manu is less motivated to return with his long-time running mate, fellow Hall of Famer and, yes, good friend in Charlotte.

Oh the irony for Manufans the world over.

Say it louder, please!

[Keepin' it real]

Lol Manu dragging this out. Not amusing for an over-the-hill bench player.

Unrelated, I wonder if he'll make Pop fly to Argentina to meet with him.

[Chinook]

It’s clearly about his role and the teams plan for this season...

Manu's role hasn't changed for like a decade. There's no reason to even ask at this point. Unless Manu straight-up doesn't want to play a lot of games or something, he's going to be part of the team's plans.

[Dex]

That's dumb, fans shouldn't be content with mediocrity and an unwatchable product..

:rolleyes

Go cheer for the Magic or Hawks for a couple years, and let us know how you feel about our "unwatchable product".

[fusionjazzman72]

Hate to be a pessimist but i'm feeling a 37-45 this year even with Derozan just don't have a good feeling otherwise.

[RD2191]

Hate to be a pessimist but i'm feeling a 37-45 this year even with Derozan just don't have a good feeling otherwise.

I see no middle ground for this team. I think we're either a top 2-3 seed or miss the play-off altogether.

[cd98]

He has the rest of his life to do everything else. This isnt your typical job or typical player either, it's something that he truly loves, that he has dedicated his entire life to, and that has set him and his family up for life. It'll probably hit him super hard when it's over.

Eh, I agree, but then I don't. When you can't find someone to sign you, there is the realization that it is over. But when you walk away, you have your reasons, and so no regrets. If he walks away, he does it with no regrets and moves to the next stage of his life. I don't think Kobe looks like he's been hit super hard. I think Kobe is doing things he loves now that he isn't playing in the NBA. And I think Kobe is a good comp for Manu (other than the raping) because I think he had the same passion for the game, even if it was expressed in different ways.

[TheGreatYacht]

God damnit. Well its been a fun 18 years Spurs, but if Manu is done im done with San Antonio.

Can I get a name change?
Argie player fans smdh

Time to set new immigration policies around here and make this site great again.

[Stabula]

Tony leaving the team was 100 times worse

[daslicer]

That's dumb, fans shouldn't be content with mediocrity and an unwatchable product..

I'm surprised you are not a Laker fan since your god Lebron is now over there. Lakers should be a very entertaining product to watch the next few years with all the comedy Lebron and company will provide.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Manu needs to come back.

One more, Manu....one more!!

[Beartrucci]

I see no middle ground for this team. I think we're either a top 2-3 seed or miss the play-off altogether.

Way to go out on a limb there. "I'd say we're about a 37 to 60 win team. Anything outside of that I'd be surprised."

[Jack Ryan]

Cant argue with that. Failure to appreciate what he brought to the floor makes you a Putz and an ignoramus for the game..

[RD2191]

Way to go out on a limb there. "I'd say we're about a 37 to 60 win team. Anything outside of that I'd be surprised."

Please stfu before I shut you up. I don't wanna have to kick your ass.

[Beartrucci]

Please stfu before I shut you up. I don't wanna have to kick your ass.

Don't get so angry RD :toast I got your point, was just a joke buddy. This team's success is very hard to predict going into the season.

[beirmeistr]

No te hagas el rogar, Manu.

[RD2191]

Don't get so angry RD :toast I got your point, was just a joke buddy

Lmao. I'm just busting your chops. It's all good.

[Beartrucci]

Lmao. I'm just busting your chops. It's all good.

LOL I gotta get used to Spurstalk again. Been a while.

[ginobilized]

I’d imagine it takes a deep look into one’s soul to sign on for an NBA season at age 41.
The wear and tear on these guys is incredible. Recovering in the off-season is vital and unpredictable.
My guess is that Manu is carefully gauging how his body is responding to workouts and
that he wants to be in sync with the new team if he plays. He probably doesn’t know yet.

I’m not ready to let go of all the glory years just yet.

[TD 21]

If it does happen, like Parker, it'll be bittersweet. The positive will be White assuming a role he should have had anyway, while Forbes and Walker likely move up another rung.

Let's just hope they don't sign some veteran retread (Afflalo, Brewer, Henderson, etc.) to compete with White and play ahead of Forbes and Walker. If they want another body, it should be a youngish type (Blossomgame, Brown, Huestis, Paul, etc.)


Well, the loss of Tony and Manu was inevitable. Losing Kawhi and Danny so unexpectedly is definitely going to sting for the next season or more.


It'll be sad just like with Tony, but this is a bridge the team needs to cross eventually. And they have three young, hungry guards that could be the next generation...

Yeah, I don't get this notion that they need him as some sort of bridge. If you just want to watch his genius for as long as possible, I get that. But him coming back for another season isn't changing anything culturally or in some intangible way that's going to manifest itself in future iterations.

As I always knew and many have now found out, your best player(s) are your culture and system. One more season of Ginobili wasn't changing that, neither is however many more of Pop, Mills, etc.



DeRozan, a man who is acting like he's the first player in the history of pro sports to get traded..he's on a depression tour across the continent, crying to anybody that will listen.

I don't know why some are spinning this. I got sick of hearing about it fast too, but DeRozan was/is hurt about what he perceived as being lied to . . . though I'm sure his ego is also bruised by this being half salary dump, since everyone knows there's a good chance Leonard leaves in a year.

[SpursDynasty85]

I’d imagine it takes a deep look into one’s soul to sign on for an NBA season at age 41.
The wear and tear on these guys is incredible. Recovering in the off-season is vital and unpredictable.
My guess is that Manu is carefully gauging how his body is responding to workouts and
that he wants to be in sync with the new team if he plays. He probably doesn’t know yet.

I’m not ready to let go of all the glory years just yet.

I agree. I also believe the competitor in him cannot take being benched for games. He will have to work tirelessly to be ready to play and if he does not play he will struggle to cope watching games, being with teammates, etc... At 41, no Duncan, no Ginobili, tons of new faces, I don't blame him at all. Pop is probably monitoring his workouts and giving him the honest truth on whether he can play this year too. Ginobili will have to almost clearly outplay Rudy Gay, Bertans, Belinelli, Mills, Cunningham to play in that back up SF/SG spot. The reason it is probably a sensitive subject is because all these players are coming to the Spurs hoping to get minutes and have the team take care of them. Tough call. I know Pop and Ginobili will make the right one.

[BackHome]

I think Pop really needs his presence with all the new kids we have and the dude can still play. The thing is that Manu LOVES the game and it’s a HUGE deal to give up what you love. I would hope that Pop is telling him to play one more year and then join him as assistant coach after this season ends.

[bdictjames]

When Manu leaves, that's it. That's the end of an era folks... it's up to Manu really. He deserved, just like Timmy deserved it, just like Parker deserves it too, to go your own way.

[Mugen]

Look at this roster, it's as hideous as it gets in the NBA..

The 2 stars: Aldridge, a crybaby who asked for a trade because he didn't get enough touches..DeRozan, a man who is acting like he's the first player in the history of pro sports to get traded..he's on a depression tour across the continent, crying to anybody that will listen..

The other high-usage player is career cancer, Rudy Gay..the starting PG can't shoot, pass or dribble, he's only a star on IG..

They brought back the worst defensive wing of his generation to come off the bench, and I won't even elaborate on Pau Gasol's lazy, ostrich-looking soft ass..

Hopefully White and Walker actually play, otherwise this is an unwatchable team..please come back, Manu:(

:lmao

[Mugen]

I'd love Manu back but unfortunately him retiring is probably the only way White sees meaningful minutes this season. But then again it's Pop and he'll probably just give all of Manu's minutes to Bryn Fucking Forbes.

[exstatic]

I think Pop really needs his presence with all the new kids we have and the dude can still play. The thing is that Manu LOVES the game and it’s a HUGE deal to give up what you love. I would hope that Pop is telling him to play one more year and then join him as assistant coach after this season ends.

Pop would never do that. He will listen to what Manu decides to do. It's what he's done every year for the last few.

[SuperCam]

He should sign a 10-day contract with the Heat and retire after the 8th day. Perfect ending to his career.

:lmao


RIP Los Spurs obesewagon fans :toast

[Splits]

Wouldn't mind Manure coming back since he can't cost us another chip like he did in '06 and '13 since we won't be competing for shit this year.

[Beartrucci]

Really want Manu back one more time. Such a crazy transitional year for us, and to have no one huge from the old Spurs culture would be a big hit I think.

I suppose it is greedy to want him back just another year, but this situation is what it is. I hope he does whatever makes him and his family happy.

[Mr. Body]

He should walk away. I don't want him to, but there's no reason for him to play any longer. The old team is gone. I'd expect Pop to go in the next year or two.

[dbreiden83080]

He should walk away. I don't want him to, but there's no reason for him to play any longer. The old team is gone. I'd expect Pop to go in the next year or two.

It is definitely time for him to go. Tim is gone, Tony is gone, and now the team is in flux with us realizing Leonard was a bitch, and not the next great Spur. Time to hang it up Manu, and see you in the Hall. Also next year retire the Jersey..

[Coach X]

Our team, our locker room desperately need Manu Ginobili. There are so many important players gone, young, new guys and not other real leaders who succeeded into the Spurs culture. He can help DeRozan adapting to the system on a leading role at the sg and to be the reference for our three talented but immature young guards. No Manu, tough adaptation and profresssion to all of them.
His leadership and profesionalism in and off the court have a huge value por the franchise, specially on a transition year. Wh do you think? NBA scrubs and bottom draft elections become real NBA players in San Antonio? Culture! And what’s the culture? Values and models (coaches&star players). Tim and Tony are gone, the traitor is gone as well and nobody else has emerged yet as a new leader. We just have Ginobili to help Popovich developer new leadership, the same way Tim did with him and Tony, David did with Tim, etc.

The Spurs must convince Manu to play this season.

[Coach X]

I’m sorry for the typos. Posting from the phone...

[TheGreatYacht]

Wouldn't mind Manure coming back since he can't cost us another chip like he did in '06 and '13 since we won't be competing for shit this year.

:lmao


RIP Los Spurs obesewagon fans :toast
:lmao LMFAOOOOOO

[FireMicoHalili]

Didn’t someone post about seeing Jamal Crawford in an airport in SA? That’s probably not connected but it makes more sense now especially if SA were interested in him.

[Chinook]

Didn’t someone post about seeing Jamal Crawford in an airport in SA? That’s probably not connected but it makes more sense now especially if SA were interested in him.

If Manu retires, the team just needs a third-string PG, either on the roster or on a two-way. Murray, Mills and White are three PGs, I know, but after them, only DeRozan can pretend to run an offense -- and that's assuming all of the the first three guys could handle it, and I have a lot of concern for all except maybe White. No Tony, no Manu, no Anderson. The team needs play-making.

[spurs10]

Our team, our locker room desperately need Manu Ginobili. There are so many important players gone, young, new guys and not other real leaders who succeeded into the Spurs culture. He can help DeRozan adapting to the system on a leading role at the sg and to be the reference for our three talented but immature young guards. No Manu, tough adaptation and profresssion to all of them.
His leadership and profesionalism in and off the court have a huge value por the franchise, specially on a transition year. Wh do you think? NBA scrubs and bottom draft elections become real NBA players in San Antonio? Culture! And what’s the culture? Values and models (coaches&star players). Tim and Tony are gone, the traitor is gone as well and nobody else has emerged yet as a new leader. We just have Ginobili to help Popovich developer new leadership, the same way Tim did with him and Tony, David did with Tim, etc.

The Spurs must convince Manu to play this season. This is what I imagine Pop and Manu will talk about. I too agree Manu’s presence will greatly help DeRozan get acclimated and focused. It’s obvious he will play an important role into the spirit and unity of the team. I think this team has a great chance of taking their chip on the shoulder and turning it into something. Under the radar? Great!

[Coach X]

This is what I imagine Pop and Manu will talk about. I too agree Manu’s presence will greatly help DeRozan get acclimated and focused. It’s obvious he will play an important role into the spirit and unity of the team. I think this team has a great chance of taking their chip on the shoulder and turning it into something. Under the radar? Great!
if we go back in time to past July/August, considering then that Leonard, Tony and Greeb would be in the team that would have been a better scenario for losing Manu. Same with any time when Timmy was active yet. This summer and the current roster/team situation make Ginobili’s presence crucial.I’m afraid these mentoring and locker leading duties could not be the challenge Manu needs to stay motivated.

Also we have to consider the most probable scenario: Manu has been working out, he’s feeling clumsy/slow/weak and he’s not meeting his minimal standards. Remember the man is 41! and think on his competitive spirit and self-demanding level.

I hope he sacrifices for the Spurs one more time. Losing him would be horrible for the fans and the team, awful timing for the franchise.

[ElNono]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZOnmBZHsnAM/hqdefault.jpg

Everything is fine. Relax.

[Uriel]

That decision to let Anderson walk is looking worse and worse.

[eric365]

I would have loved the big 3 to retire together at the same time 2 years ago.
Or even better right after the 2014 title

Thanks for the 4 :lobt2: Manu

[SouthTexasRancher]

C'mon Manu, just one more year. The young guys need your advice and knowledge. You don't need to play every game nor do you need to play that many minutes.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Argie player fans smdh

Time to set new immigration policies around here and make this site great again.

Let's get something straight nigga, Im a big three player fan.

[FireMicoHalili]

If Manu retires, the team just needs a third-string PG, either on the roster or on a two-way. Murray, Mills and White are three PGs, I know, but after them, only DeRozan can pretend to run an offense -- and that's assuming all of the the first three guys could handle it, and I have a lot of concern for all except maybe White. No Tony, no Manu, no Anderson. The team needs play-making.
I meant it made some sense for him to be in a San Antonio airport especially if the Spurs wanted to meet him for a workout or a contract, not in such way that he fits or replaces Ginobili in a similar capacity. I understand the concern though, since most of the team's guards are hybrids who aren't pass-first guards and White hasn't proven anything; he's known more as a shooter than he is a passer. Everyone knows the front office will be hard-pressed to find someone as adept at passing as Ginobili unless Pop spotted some talent while he was overseas attending BWB. The current pool of free agents leaves a lot to be desired too.

[Brazil]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/H2wCM-uXqPw/maxresdefault.jpg

Everything is fine. Relax.

fify tbh

[lefty20]

Uno Mas Manu!

I really need a good reason to renew my LP sub, tbh.

[cutewizard]

I wanna be a radio announcer

Do you think it is a good job guys?

[Brazil]

Manu retiring would be a significant bad news for the Spurs tbh... This group needs a transition...

Now for Manu himself he is the only one to know... this additional year would add nothing to his career... road trips are gonna be a pain in the ass... from having fun wirth Bobo, the golden boy, patty and hanging around with his brothers tim and tony to having dinners away from home with gay and lma must impact seriously motivation tbh..

Either way I will be fine with his decision

and all trolling aside I've been a fan of him since the very beginning... one of the greatest spur ever and one of the most exciting playing in NBA history... only better peak seasons in Spurs history are tim and david, peak manu is >> tony, gervin..

[cutewizard]

Mmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnuuuuuu rules.....

[Spurtacular]

Uno Mas Manu!

I really need a good reason to renew my LP sub, tbh.

[bigfan]

If Manu decides to pull the pin all I would say is "thank you very much for your time as a Spur". He has more than earned his retirement. I'd love to have him stick around as an assistant but I also imagine he would love to return home and live his life with his family and friends.

[TheGreatYacht]

Manu retiring would be a significant bad news for the Spurs tbh... This group needs a transition...

Now for Manu himself he is the only one to know... this additional year would add nothing to his career... road trips are gonna be a pain in the ass... from having fun wirth Bobo, the golden boy, patty and hanging around with his brothers tim and tony to having dinners away from home with gay and lma must impact seriously motivation tbh..

Either way I will be fine with his decision

and all trolling aside I've been a fan of him since the very beginning... one of the greatest spur ever and one of the most exciting playing in NBA history... only better peak seasons in Spurs history are tim and david, peak manu is >> tony, gervin..
Stop d riding these Mexicans bro. You've turned soft. Just had to bring Parker up to make yourself look good to them.... smh....

[Brazil]

Stop d riding these Mexicans bro. You've turned soft. Just had to bring Parker up to make yourself look good to them.... smh....

:lol bro.. I've never changed my stance on any of this topic.. this is not made to make myself look good.. saying the same for a while

Tony career as a spurs > Manu career as a spur tbh
Peak Manu > Tony peak

I have both of them at the number #3 or 4 spot in all time spurs list tbh because of that and I don't get mad at anyone having Manu before TP.. that's arguable.. same thing for TP being before

now when you have dumbasses going for the Manu #3 Tony #5 or 6 I just :lol

[Brazil]

Also I have no issue saying Manu is a more exciting player to watch than Tony

now the arguments like Manu game aged much better than Tony are silly... you cannot compare the mileage of those two just comparing their birth rate... Tony in his career played significantly more minutes than Manu and it's not even close

[TimmyBuckets]

That decision to let Anderson walk is looking worse and worse.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

That decision to let Anderson walk is looking worse and worse.

Maybe. I'm curious about Anderson's impact. Manu playing even limited minutes would help offset that. Losing two "glue" guys in the same year would be a tough adjustment.

Manu needs to return...bottom line. Him just being around the team will help the continuity of the Spurs' legacy.

[TimmyBuckets]

Maybe. I'm curious about Anderson's impact. Manu playing even limited minutes would help offset that. Losing two "glue" guys in the same year would be a tough adjustment.

Manu needs to return...bottom line. Him just being around the team will help the continuity of the Spurs' legacy.

SF

[SAGirl]

Look at this roster, it's as hideous as it gets in the NBA..

The 2 stars: Aldridge, a crybaby who asked for a trade because he didn't get enough touches..DeRozan, a man who is acting like he's the first player in the history of pro sports to get traded..he's on a depression tour across the continent, crying to anybody that will listen..

The other high-usage player is career cancer, Rudy Gay..the starting PG can't shoot, pass or dribble, he's only a star on IG..

They brought back the worst defensive wing of his generation to come off the bench, and I won't even elaborate on Pau Gasol's lazy, ostrich-looking soft ass..

Hopefully White and Walker actually play, otherwise this is an unwatchable team..please come back, Manu:(

I am totally with you in this.

[DMC]

Manu is one of the few reasons I still watch the game. You never know what that guy is going to do and even at his age he can have a crazy night. I just don't want to see him get another big injury, go into retirement hurt. Retire with your health and well being, Manu. Enjoy your family. Work on your golf game. Run Shaq off of TNT.

[SpursDynasty85]

Manu is one of the few reasons I still watch the game. You never know what that guy is going to do and even at his age he can have a crazy night. I just don't want to see him get another big injury, go into retirement hurt. Retire with your health and well being, Manu. Enjoy your family. Work on your golf game. Run Shaq off of TNT.

It's been a while since he had a major injury. I think his minutes and rotations have been spot on. This year there is way too much depth at the wing and Manu may not want to play exclusively at the back SF spot we need him at. He would take a beating a bit at that position. Tough call. Want him to play don't want him to play. I'd love it if he stayed on as a coach but seems he does not have that passion. Maybe and hopefully that changes.

[Keepin' it real]

Manu retiring would be a significant bad news for the Spurs tbh... This group needs a transition...


Huh? The transition started the day 21 retired. Time's up.

[rastaspur]

Hope he comes back but like others have said he has nothing to prove. My favorite spur of all time. A true legend.

[jermaine]

Ginobili was my reason to follow the Spurs... Kawhi was pose to be my transition away from Ginobili when he retires. So to lose both in the same off-season, lawd Jesus.

[SpursforSix]

Ginobili was my reason to follow the Spurs... Kawhi was pose to be my transition away from Ginobili when he retires. So to lose both in the same off-season, lawd Jesus.

Think of it as a cleansing. We'll have a whole new crop of player fans and player haters for all the new faces.

[urunobili]

Do we know when an official announcement will be made? I won’t renew League Pass if he doesn’t play.

[DAF86]

You didn't even understand what I said. First, it's obviously about the money in the that Tim wanted and got $6 Million. By the CBA, a player retiring defaults to no money. Second, that has almost nothing to do what I said, which is essentially that Manu isn't going to hear anything from Pop that will make him retire. Pop is always going to play Manu off the bench if he's there. That's what the "bar of soap" comment meant. Pop's not going to say "This year, I'm not going to play you." He just won't, even if there comes a time where he should. If Manu is really waiting for Pop to help make the decision, it's because he wants to come back.

But yes, Manu has been the most insecure about his role with the team out of the Big Three. Easily. Not remotely debateable. Only folks who disagree never really paid attention before.

Can you provide some examples of what Manu has done or said that make you believe this? :lol

[cd98]

Can you provide some examples of what Manu has done or said that make you believe this? :lol

I'll back of Chinook. Before he signed his last contract, he weighed retiring and also said part of his decision was on whether the Spurs wanted him back. He's been like that since 2014. That doesn't mean he isn't a good player or that he can't still play, but as he has dipped with age, I think he has become more insecure with whether the Spurs want to keep him around or go younger.

That said, I'm sure he wouldn't put the question up on Spurstalk. If players read and believed what was said about them here, they would all have panic attacks.

[Truth4sale$]

PATFO are walking on thin ice with this roster. They are not sure what to expect from this group, so you can imagine Manu is probably wondering the same thing. Is this team a true contender or a team stuck in mediocre purgatory. I would personally miss Manu because i think his basketball IQ, and professionalism is priceless for the young players. Murray, White and Walker are really 1st year players, because they spent rookie years playing Gleague ball. This puts so much pressure on Patty Mills to lead this young group. Unfortunately Mills is no Manu. Thats why the Spurs need him. If the Spurs were fully rebuilding i can see why Manu walks, but Spurs are retooling. The Spurs need every good player they can get, and Manu is still a good player who can contribute in so many ways.

[SpursDynasty85]

Can you provide some examples of what Manu has done or said that make you believe this? :lol

I do recall him saying after the 2013 finals he was even more devastated that the fans thought he ruined the finals for them. It was surprising to hear that from such a steel-nerves veteran that he cares what fans think about him. It might hold some water that he wants to be appreciated for his ability and production but that is most players including Duncan and Parker. Parker more so than Duncan. Parker apparently hated the idea of bringing Kidd in and playing 2 gaurd.

[Chinook]

Can you provide some examples of what Manu has done or said that make you believe this? :lol

Manu:

2018 -- Needing to talk to Pop
2017 -- Needing to know Pop wanted him back
2016 -- His agent sending out signals that SA was going to have to step up offers to keep Manu
2013 and 2015 -- As far as I know, nothing.
2010 -- Suggested that he was going to look elsewhere in the summer if PATFO didn't offer a max extension
2003 -- Entertained an offer from Denver

Parker:

2011 -- Suggested that he'd have a productive "second career" in New York
2003 -- Was angered by PATFO's pursuit of Jason Kidd

Tim

2003 -- Mildly entertained other offers, but nothing serious
2000 -- SERIOUSLY considered Orlando

Folks are welcome to bring up other examples, but I think I'm being fair to all involved. Certainly, some of the actions they took made perfect sense, and considering they all stayed as long as the team wanted them, it's not like any of them are on the Kawhi continuum. But Manu just has more examples one can point of how him publicly expressing uncertainty about how long his relationship with the Spurs would last. Maybe that comes down just to their personalities and their histories coming into the organization. But especially in terms of his agent's comments, he seems to trust PATFO the least of the three.

[SpursDynasty85]

Manu:

2018 -- Needing to talk to Pop
2017 -- Needing to know Pop wanted him back
2016 -- His agent sending out signals that SA was going to have to step up offers to keep Manu
2013 and 2015 -- As far as I know, nothing.
2010 -- Suggested that he was going to look elsewhere in the summer if PATFO didn't offer a max extension
2003 -- Entertained an offer from Denver

Parker:

2011 -- Suggested that he'd have a productive "second career" in New York
2003 -- Was angered by PATFO's pursuit of Jason Kidd

Tim

2003 -- Mildly entertained other offers, but nothing serious
2000 -- SERIOUSLY considered Orlando

Folks are welcome to bring up other examples, but I think I'm being fair to all involved. Certainly, some of the actions they took made perfect sense, and considering they all stayed as long as the team wanted them, it's not like any of them are on the Kawhi continuum. But Manu just has more examples one can point of how him publicly expressing uncertainty about how long his relationship with the Spurs would last. Maybe that comes down just to their personalities and their histories coming into the organization. But especially in terms of his agent's comments, he seems to trust PATFO the least of the three.

Have you thought maybe Spurs always pushed his buttons a bit more? I'd argue Manu took the biggest payouts throughout most his career.

[spurraider21]

Manu:

2018 -- Needing to talk to Pop
2017 -- Needing to know Pop wanted him back
2016 -- His agent sending out signals that SA was going to have to step up offers to keep Manu
2013 and 2015 -- As far as I know, nothing.
2010 -- Suggested that he was going to look elsewhere in the summer if PATFO didn't offer a max extension
2003 -- Entertained an offer from Denver

Parker:

2011 -- Suggested that he'd have a productive "second career" in New York
2003 -- Was angered by PATFO's pursuit of Jason Kidd

Tim

2003 -- Mildly entertained other offers, but nothing serious
2000 -- SERIOUSLY considered Orlando

Folks are welcome to bring up other examples, but I think I'm being fair to all involved. Certainly, some of the actions they took made perfect sense, and considering they all stayed as long as the team wanted them, it's not like any of them are on the Kawhi continuum. But Manu just has more examples one can point of how him publicly expressing uncertainty about how long his relationship with the Spurs would last. Maybe that comes down just to their personalities and their histories coming into the organization. But especially in terms of his agent's comments, he seems to trust PATFO the least of the three.
lol having a "nothing" entry for manu just to pad his column when you didnt do that for the others.

and his agent saying he has a competing offer is not the same as being insecure about your role :lol... he was willing to play cheap until he got a monster offer from philly. that's not a sign of insecurity

[Chinook]

Have you thought maybe Spurs always pushed his buttons a bit more? I'd argue Manu took the biggest payouts throughout most his career.

If you legit mean "pay-out", then yes. If you mean "pay-cuts", then no.

[BackHome]

Manu and Pop are tight but he knows the business if Pop wants and needs him Manu will be back.

[Chinook]

lol having a "nothing" entry for manu just to pad his column when you didnt do that for the others.

Those I believe were all of his free-agent years (and 2010 during extension talks). Parker never had a free-agent off-season in his time with SA (though I included the 2011 tension), and Tim had nothing but extensions and wink-wink FA deals since 2003. I was originally just going to cover Manu's time, but I thought the comparison was pretty stark.


and his agent saying he has a competing offer is not the same as being insecure about your role :lol... he was willing to play cheap until he got a monster offer from philly. that's not a sign of insecurity

You're confusing the Philly offer with the rhetoric going into the off-season. This wasn't a Vlad situation where Philly tried to poach Manu after he agreed to return. This was situation where PATFO offered a contract, and Manu's agent balked before reaching out and getting the Philly offer.

[SpursDynasty85]

If you legit mean "pay-out", then yes. If you mean "pay-cuts", then no.

Wow. Making less than half of TD's total earnings and 2/3 of what Parker made and he is considered the "pay out" guy by you? Glad he fought for more money. In the end he deserved it while us spoiled fans got to see a hof'er come off the bench his whole career and make less than all of his peers (talent-wise).

[ElNono]

:lol lots of terrible takes here, especially from FatHead fluffers. Looks like some are still butthurt his slow ass couldn’t beat a 40 year old for a larger role in the team...

[baseline bum]

fify tbh

Looks like her dad in drag. I bet she has man hands too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuwLFkpk4Lw

[Since89]

His style of play made him amazing. It also made him done six seasons ago.

[TE]

Regardless what happens, will always be one of the greatest to ever play basketball.

Posters here are quick to part ways with Manu, but I can recall painful moments last year when one of either Kyle Anderson or Patty Mills handled the rock. fucking disastrous to see that happen.

Losing Manu, despite a Derozan acquisition, hurts this team more it helps it.

[gambit1990]

pop to tony: san antonio will always be your second home.

pop to manu: we think having you on the team could be integral to laying a new foundation. what you could provide would go a long way for all the youth on our team. there's many contributions you can still make for us on and off the court.

[TheGreatYacht]

pop to tony: san antonio will always be your second home.

pop to manu: we think having you on the team could be integral to laying a new foundation. what you could provide would go a long way for all the youth on our team. there's many contributions you can still make for us on and off the court.
Lol yea fucking right. He's a net negative.

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Pop to Manu: we need Salvadoreans to buy seats. Come back and try to play off big balls Beli, you cancerous piece of shit.

[gambit1990]

https://media.giphy.com/media/9AIX5Hn1mil5ir1ULG/giphy.gif

[pad300]

:lol lots of terrible takes here, especially from FatHead fluffers. Looks like some are still butthurt his slow ass couldn’t beat a 40 year old for a larger role in the team...

Minutes played, 2017-18, Anderson : 1978 Ginobili: 1299

Anybody pointed out to you that's it's better to not post, than to post and remove all doubt that you're an idiot?

[SAGirl]

Minutes played, 2017-18, Anderson : 1978 Ginobili: 1299

Anybody pointed out to you that's it's better to not post, than to post and remove all doubt that you're an idiot?

He's not an idiot. He knows very well what he's doing. He's baiting fans to troll basically and deflecting. Why he feels compelled to bring Anderson up in a Ginobili might retire thread? trolling. It will go on until he finds a new schtick.

[tmtcsc]

Lol yea fucking right. He's a net negative.

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Pop to Manu: we need Salvadoreans to buy seats. Come back and try to play off big balls Beli, you cancerous piece of shit.

Holy shit. Savage.

[tmtcsc]

https://media.giphy.com/media/9AIX5Hn1mil5ir1ULG/giphy.gif

That highlight dunk gif was from a preaseason game wasn't it ?

[ElNono]

Minutes played, 2017-18, Anderson : 1978 Ginobili: 1299

Anybody pointed out to you that's it's better to not post, than to post and remove all doubt that you're an idiot?

:lol what part of 'larger role' you didn't understand? Manu closed down the games, while Kyle was watching from the bench. Of course Manu is going to be on minute restriction.

[ElNono]

Lol yea fucking right. He's a net negative.

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Pop to Manu: we need Salvadoreans to buy seats. Come back and try to play off big balls Beli, you cancerous piece of shit.

dem tacos, chalupas and gorditas ain't going to sell themselves, tbh

"Yo quiero Time Warner y Taco Canaba"

[cutewizard]

Playing Coach.....with a mentor role....

[DAF86]

Manu:

2018 -- Needing to talk to Pop
2017 -- Needing to know Pop wanted him back
2016 -- His agent sending out signals that SA was going to have to step up offers to keep Manu
2013 and 2015 -- As far as I know, nothing.
2010 -- Suggested that he was going to look elsewhere in the summer if PATFO didn't offer a max extension
2003 -- Entertained an offer from Denver

Parker:

2011 -- Suggested that he'd have a productive "second career" in New York
2003 -- Was angered by PATFO's pursuit of Jason Kidd

Tim

2003 -- Mildly entertained other offers, but nothing serious
2000 -- SERIOUSLY considered Orlando

Folks are welcome to bring up other examples, but I think I'm being fair to all involved. Certainly, some of the actions they took made perfect sense, and considering they all stayed as long as the team wanted them, it's not like any of them are on the Kawhi continuum. But Manu just has more examples one can point of how him publicly expressing uncertainty about how long his relationship with the Spurs would last. Maybe that comes down just to their personalities and their histories coming into the organization. But especially in terms of his agent's comments, he seems to trust PATFO the least of the three.

Thinking Manu was being anything more than a politically correct nigga on the many occasions he said "I will need to talk to Pop to see if he wants me back" :lol

"Insecure" :lol

[Seventyniner]

That decision to let Anderson walk is looking worse and worse.

This. I would trade Bertans and Forbes for Anderson in a heartbeat. The fully guaranteed money in 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 has to be the reason the Spurs let him walk.

[Truth4sale$]

Perhaps Manu wants a player assistant/advisory coaching position. Avoid the 82 game grind and travel. Home games only type deal. Although, I never can see Ginobili doing anything less than 100%. That's why fans love him.

[TrainOfThought5]

I'll back of Chinook. Before he signed his last contract, he weighed retiring and also said part of his decision was on whether the Spurs wanted him back. He's been like that since 2014. That doesn't mean he isn't a good player or that he can't still play, but as he has dipped with age, I think he has become more insecure with whether the Spurs want to keep him around or go younger.

That said, I'm sure he wouldn't put the question up on Spurstalk. If players read and believed what was said about them here, they would all have panic attacks.

LOL this is the place that called Tim Duncan a tired old shitbag, and the team a bunch of gutless worms while we were winning 50+ games and contending.

As much as this place brings me amusement, I pray no spurs player has ever found this site.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I think he'll be back ultimately personally, but we'll see.

So glad he and Pop can meet like men and discuss stuff, unlike... Nm

Yeah, Pop can work his cult leader mind control crap on him...

[bklynspursfan]

Yeah, Pop can work his cult leader mind control crap on him...

uh, no.