Mass Shooting at Jacksonville Madden Tournament

[DJR210]

Multiple fatalities reported

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/madden-19-jacksonville-shooting/index.html

[Reck]

DJR, you're going to anger Trainwreck for posting this here.

Fucked up. I feel sick after hearing that clip of them getting shot up.

[DJR210]

DJR, you're going to anger Trainwreck for posting this here.

Fucked up. I feel sick after hearing that clip of them getting shot up.

:lol what's the story behind that

And yeah that's fucked up.. These socially awkward rejects are even directing their anger and frustration on e-jocks

[Reck]

:lol what's the story behind that

And yeah that's fucked up.. These socially awkward rejects are even directing their anger and frustration on e-jocks


I posted this first in the correct forum

:lol Wanting first billing for a mass shooting thread and complaining about it been in the political forum.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol what's the story behind that

And yeah that's fucked up.. These socially awkward rejects are even directing their anger and frustration on e-jocks

or it was a shitter ejock shooting his e-jock better

[Avante]

Let's hope this had nothing to do with Islamic terrorism or black gang violence. Just the work of retarded white guys the best scenario.

[Pavlov]

Let's hope this had nothing to do with Islamic terrorism or black gang violence. Just the work of retarded white guys the best scenario.Hooray!

[DJR210]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=54&v=VzfK-ir1Zt8

Fucked up.. seriously can't go ANYWHERE without a gun on you now

[Avante]

Yep, retarded white guy. If this had been ANOTHER terrorist act, I pity American Muslims.

[Chris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=54&v=VzfK-ir1Zt8

Fucked up.. seriously can't go ANYWHERE without a gun on you now

It was a gun free zone so no self defense allowed. The shooter was apparently not aware it was a gun free zone. They are still working out the kinks like in Chicago. :tu

[Pavlov]

It was a gun free zone so no self defense allowed. The shooter was apparently not aware it was a gun free zone. They are still working out the kinks like in Chicago. :tuWhat guns do you carry for self defense in all situations, Chris?

[Chris]

What guns do you carry for self defense in all situations, Chris?

Don't @ me with your troll faggot.

[Pavlov]

Don't @ me with your troll faggot.Honest question, Chris.


You're always calling for moar guns, so what do you pack for your everyday protection?

[DJR210]

It was a gun free zone so no self defense allowed. The shooter was apparently not aware it was a gun free zone. They are still working out the kinks like in Chicago. :tu

How is this gun free zone enforced? The shooter was able to attend w/ his..

[FrostKing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpKs4j91NUs

[ElNono]

Yep, retarded white guy. If this had been ANOTHER terrorist act, I pity American Muslims.

This was 'another' terrorist attack, tbh

[Reck]

Another thread where Chris gets run out of and embarrassed. :lol

[Chris]

Another thread where Chris gets run out of and embarrassed. :lol

lol wut

[Chris]

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[Isitjustme?]

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Is that another fact he made up lol

[Avante]

This was 'another' terrorist attack, tbh

Wrong.

What is the definition of a terrorist attack?

Type of: act of terrorism, terrorism, terrorist act. the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear. coup de main, surprise attack.

[Pavlov]

Wrong.

What is the definition of a terrorist attack?

Type of: act of terrorism, terrorism, terrorist act. the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear. coup de main, surprise attack.Dude was making fun of you, Avante.

[Chris]

Is that another fact he made up lol

Doubt it. Captain Kirk does his homewok :tu

[Chris]

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[Spurminator]

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You sure about this?

[Spurminator]

Doubt it. Captain Kirk does his homewok :tu

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Spurminator]

Doubt it. Captain Kirk does his homewok :tu


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:lmao Chrisbot's retarded Twitter friends.

[ElNono]

Wrong.

What is the definition of a terrorist attack?

Type of: act of terrorism, terrorism, terrorist act. the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear. coup de main, surprise attack.

well, we don't have the luxury to ask the perpetrator what his motive was in this particular case, but it's clear he wanted to send a message, plus:

1) violence against innocent civilians: check
2) instilling fear: check
3) surprise attack: check

It's terrorist bingo.

[DJR210]

Old retard getting a lesson per usual

[Avante]

well, we don't have the luxury to ask the perpetrator what his motive was in this particular case, but it's clear he wanted to send a message, plus:

1) violence against innocent civilians: check
2) instilling fear: check
3) surprise attack: check

It's terrorist bingo.

Dude, that wasn't terrorism guy, ok?

You're in a bar, guys flirts with your woman, so ya knock him down, then tell him if he gets up you;ll kill him.

1...violence against innocent civilian..yep
2....instlling fear...yep
3...surprise attack..yep

But, nobody would see that as terrorism. Yep, you're 100% wrong.

[Avante]

Old retard getting a lesson per usual

Dumbass too stupid to know what terrorism really is.

Hey stupid.....

The incident is being investigated as a criminal act, and not an act of terrorism, according to the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office.

[ElNono]

No, it's not the same. If you knock the guy out and nobody else, there's a clear motive.

If you shot him and 4 other unrelated guys/gals in the bar, then off yourself, yeah, pretty much gonna go down as a terror attack, especially when the other 4 are completely unrelated to you or your girl.

[ElNono]

Let's try this again, give me a better example, that last one didn't cut it...

[Avante]

No, it's not the same. If you knock the guy out and nobody else, there's a clear motive.

If you shot him and 4 other unrelated guys/gals in the bar, then off yourself, yeah, pretty much gonna go down as a terror attack, especially when the other 4 are completely unrelated to you or your girl.

Nope.

Stold this...

The incident is being investigated as a criminal act, and not an act of terrorism, according to the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office.

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Dude, that kind of thing is not terrorism, ok?

[ElNono]

Nope? Is that it?

ATF and FBI agents searched a Baltimore home on the 1200 block of Harbor Island Walk on Sunday night in connection with the rampage. They arrived at the quiet row of nearly identical brick townhouses around 6 p.m. and searched the property for just over four hours, according to Baltimore ATF Public Information Officer Amanda Hils.

This is what they do with terror suspects, not criminals, yep.

[ElNono]

But that's ok Avante, I just respectfully disagree. You're certainly entitled to your opinion on the subject.

[Avante]

Nope? Is that it?

ATF and FBI agents searched a Baltimore home on the 1200 block of Harbor Island Walk on Sunday night in connection with the rampage. They arrived at the quiet row of nearly identical brick townhouses around 6 p.m. and searched the property for just over four hours, according to Baltimore ATF Public Information Officer Amanda Hils.

This is what they do with terror suspects, not criminals, yep.

Nobody has said anything about terrorisim/terrorist but you?

Freaking out and being violent is totally different than having a plot to kill people to satisfy some agenda. That is terrorism.

[ElNono]

We're playing semantics here. If your sole purpose is to instill terror on innocent people it's terrorism. That's what this guys did. Even USA Today mentioned it:

How the Jacksonville shooting unfolded: Terror inside a room, agony streamed online
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/27/jacksonville-shooting-gunman-gamer-motive-security/1108460002/

What do YOU know about this guy agenda? Did you ask him? People freak out all the time, but they don't pull out a gun and start shooting... anyhow, not going to try to convince you of anything. I'll just disagree.

[FrostKing]

We're playing semantics here. If your sole purpose is to instill terror on innocent people it's terrorism. That's what this guys did. Even USA Today mentioned it:

How the Jacksonville shooting unfolded: Terror inside a room, agony streamed online
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/27/jacksonville-shooting-gunman-gamer-motive-security/1108460002/

What do YOU know about this guy agenda? Did you ask him? People freak out all the time, but they don't pull out a gun and start shooting... anyhow, not going to try to convince you of anything. I'll just disagree.
I agree if he were still on the run. But he killed himself. What is the long term terror - gun ownership? He has to be involved in a movement or have a cause/message. Shunned loner would apply IMO.

[ElNono]

I agree if he were still on the run. But he killed himself. What is the long term terror - gun ownership? He has to be involved in a movement or have a cause/message. Shunned loner would apply IMO.

It goes to motive, IMO. Depression? He can just off himself. When you start shooting random people, it's more than just random shooting, in most cases anyways.

[Avante]

We're playing semantics here. If your sole purpose is to instill terror on innocent people it's terrorism. That's what this guys did. Even USA Today mentioned it:

How the Jacksonville shooting unfolded: Terror inside a room, agony streamed online
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/27/jacksonville-shooting-gunman-gamer-motive-security/1108460002/

What do YOU know about this guy agenda? Did you ask him? People freak out all the time, but they don't pull out a gun and start shooting... anyhow, not going to try to convince you of anything. I'll just disagree.

I'm not playing anything. If the guy had won the tournament who would be dead......yep...nobody. That isn't how terrorism works at all.

[Avante]

I agree if he were still on the run. But he killed himself. What is the long term terror - gun ownership? He has to be involved in a movement or have a cause/message. Shunned loner would apply IMO.

Bingo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Key word....intent.

[ElNono]

I'm not playing anything. If the guy had won the tournament who would be dead......yep...nobody. That isn't how terrorism works at all.

How do you know that? Yep, you don't.

[Avante]

How do you know that? Yep, you don't.

Where is your common sense? So he didn't want to defend that title being a SERIOUS gamer?

The guy wasn't there to kill people which can't be said about terorists.

[ElNono]

Where is your common sense?

translation: I don't know anything about the shooter's motive.

Where is YOUR common sense? You give me a bar brawl as an example of non-terror, and I completely agree

It's a completely different scenario from somebody walking into a room full of innocent people, and randomly start offing people. Then offing themselves.

It goes to literally terrorize people, and send a message. Let's talk common sense: Do you think the shooter didn't think/know what he was doing was going to be publicized top to bottom? Public venue, relatively big event, video games at times a hot political topic...

This idea that we gotta get used to people 'flipping' and randomly shooting people as anything other than terrorism is naivete...

[Avante]

[QUOTE=ElNono;9521109]translation: I don't know anything about the shooter's motive.

Where is YOUR common sense? You give me a bar brawl as an example of non-terror, and I completely agree

It's a completely different scenario from somebody walking into a room full of innocent people, and randomly start offing people. Then offing themselves.

It goes to literally terrorize people, and send a message. Let's talk common sense: Do you think the shooter didn't think/know what he was doing was going to be publicized top to bottom? Public venue, relatively big event, video games at times a hot political topic...

This idea that we gotta get used to people 'flipping' and randomly shooting people as anything other than terrorism is naivete...


Naivete is thinking the guy just walked into a room full of people and start shooting.

Here ya go.

Fox News is reporting (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/26/jacksonville-landing-shooter-david-katz-described-as-gamer-angry-after-losing-in-tournament.html) Katz killed himself. He was reportedly a gamer who became angry after losing during the event. Katz has used the names (https://heavy.com/news/2018/08/david-katz-bread-ravenschamp/)Bread, mrslicedbread, ravenschamp and ravens2012champ in Madden competitions.

He lost and got mad, which is totally different than what you are selling.

Terrorists set out to commit terror, you really think this was like that, come on guy.

[DJR210]

Just make sure you stop responding and allow the old SOB to get the last post or he won't be able to go on with his mundane life

[AaronY]

Doubt it. Captain Kirk does his homewok :tu
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[Spurminator]

:lol Kirk deleted the tweet.

Which is what he should do. But still. :lol

[Avante]

Just make sure you stop responding and allow the old SOB to get the last post or he won't be able to go on with his mundane life

How about.....ok ok so I was wrong yet again.....ok?

Dude, how is being a little know nothing asshole working out for ya?

[Avante]

Kid loses a game, gets pissed off and totally freaks out being mentally unstable. That is not what terrorism is.

[DJR210]

Keep on posting, I'm sure the sheer volume of your replies will convince ElNono that he's wrong

[Avante]

Keep on posting, I'm sure the sheer volume of your replies will convince ElNono (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8054) that he's wrong

All he really has to do is watch TV/Google, pay attention to what is going on and being said. Nobody is....an act of terrrorism....at all. This was a mentally disturbed kid who simply freaked out, that is not what terrorism is.

[SpursforSix]

man...what happened to just throwing your joystick into the wall

[SnakeBoy]

If your sole purpose is to instill terror on innocent people it's terrorism.


Is that just your personal made up definition of terrorism?

[DJR210]

man...what happened to just throwing your joystick into the wall

:lmao fr fr

[ElNono]

Is that just your personal made up definition of terrorism?

People get thrown in jail for even expressing intent of doing that. Go tell a fed you gonna shoot up random people, let's see what they charge you with.

[Avante]

People get thrown in jail for even expressing intent of doing that. Go tell a fed you gonna shoot up random people, let's see what they charge you with.

It's pretty obvious if this kid had won the tournament ...nothing. While an act of terrorism is a planned assault with some agenda. We aren't seeing that sort of thing with this.

A mentally instable kid going bonkers after losing. That really isn't what terrorism is. I get how important it is to never be wrong on the internet, and you will never...ok ok I see that.

Trust me, there is a reason nobody is talking about an act of terrorism.

[ElNono]

I don't trust random people in the internets... nothing personal, tbh...

I've admitted to being wrong before here many times, tbh... peeps here can vouch for that. Has nothing to do with it. I just won't agree there's such a thing as 'flipping' and shooting out random people, and somehow that's not terrorism. Agree to disagree on that.

[Avante]

I don't trust random people in the internets... nothing personal, tbh...

I've admitted to being wrong before here many times, tbh... peeps here can vouch for that. Has nothing to do with it. I just won't agree there's such a thing as 'flipping' and shooting out random people, and somehow that's not terrorism. Agree to disagree on that.

Not really not about agreeing and disagreeing. It;s about facts.

[redzero]

The game was two weeks old. What made this guy so emotionally invested in the outcome of the tournament? People play 20-year-old games with far more left to lose and don't react like this.

I bet the media is mad that the game wasn't a first-person shooter, because they couldn't get their narrative out about violent video games.

[FrostKing]

The game was two weeks old. What made this guy so emotionally invested in the outcome of the tournament? People play 20-year-old games with far more left to lose and don't react like this.

I bet the media is mad that the game wasn't a first-person shooter, because they couldn't get their narrative out about violent video games.
Granted this is an opinion from playing Madden 10 years ago but they usually tweak the playstyle a bit year to year. Maybe he was no longer as good (previously winning that Bills Tournament) and he had no other hobby or focus in life

[DJR210]

Granted this is an opinion from playing Madden 10 years ago but they usually tweak the playstyle a bit year to year. Maybe he was no longer as good (previously winning that Bills Tournament) and he had no other hobby or focus in life

The kids mom said he would go long periods without bathing.. Used to throw retard tantrums over losing his games, even called the cops on her for taking them away. I'm guessing she allowed the video game system to raise him and he turned out all fucked up because of it.

[ElNono]

Not really not about agreeing and disagreeing. It;s about facts.

Make me a list... you're good at that, facts? not so much.

[Xevious]

The kids mom said he would go long periods without bathing.. Used to throw retard tantrums over losing his games, even called the cops on her for taking them away. I'm guessing she allowed the video game system to raise him and he turned out all fucked up because of it.
I bet he played Fortnite tbh.

[DJR210]

I bet he played Fortnite tbh.

As all brainwashed children do..

In seriousness, gaming addiction is a relatively new disorder as far as medical recognition, but it's definitely real. I can see the difference in my kids behavior if they get too much game time. Once I notice they're becoming zombies they will lose access for long periods of time to become normal, clear thinking kids again.

I can imagine if they were allowed to have free control over their own video game time without supervision though..

[SnakeBoy]

People get thrown in jail for even expressing intent of doing that. Go tell a fed you gonna shoot up random people, let's see what they charge you with.

What mass shooters have been charged with terrorism? The Feds have a definition of terrorism and shooting people for the sake of shooting people isn't it.

[ElNono]

What mass shooters have been charged with terrorism? The Feds have a definition of terrorism and shooting people for the sake of shooting people isn't it.

It's not even confined to shooting, can also be stabbing or anything else:

In another example, from March of this year, a white man named James Harris Jackson stabbed to death a black man in New York and said he did so as a "practice" run for more killings of black people. Jackson was charged with murder in the second degree as a hate crime.
But Jackson also faces a terrorism charge in the case (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/us/james-jackson-murder-charge/) -- murder as an act of terrorism in the first and second degrees.
According to police, Jackson, a Baltimore resident, said he traveled to New York because it is the media capital of the world and he wanted to make a statement.

There's also such a thing as grouping certain crimes as 'domestic terrorism' according to the FBI:

Part of the confusion stems from the fact that the world has never really settled on a standard definition of "terrorism." The US Code of Federal Regulations defines it as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." But it is not a standalone criminal charge. "There is not a domestic terrorism crime as such," FBI Director Christopher Wray said in a Senate hearing in September. "We in the FBI refer to domestic terrorism as a category but it's more of a way in which we allocate which agents, which squad is going to work on it."

As it's stated, there's no standard (and thus it's certainly a matter of opinion), but that doesn't preclude LE calling it what it is: terrorism. And I think they're right to do so.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/what-is-terrorism-definition-trnd/index.html

[Xevious]

As all brainwashed children do..

In seriousness, gaming addiction is a relatively new disorder as far as medical recognition, but it's definitely real. I can see the difference in my kids behavior if they get too much game time. Once I notice they're becoming zombies they will lose access for long periods of time to become normal, clear thinking kids again.

I can imagine if they were allowed to have free control over their own video game time without supervision though..
I had to completely take away video game privilages from my boys this summer because they were throwing fits about having their screen time limited, weren't even getting dressed in the morning, etc... so away the electronics went.

I've always defended video games when people try to blame them on society's problems. And even though I can see first hand the effects of addiction, I still say we don't have a video game problem, we have a parenting problem. I'm required to give you a place to live, food to eat, basic clothing, healthcare, and transportation to school... everything else is a privilege you should have to earn. My wife and I make a lot more money than either of us grew up with, but I'll be damned if my kids grow up like entitled little shits like most kids are.

[Chris]

ElNono still confused :lol

[Mikeanaro]

Someone was using cheats, game genie.

[DJR210]

I had to completely take away video game privilages from my boys this summer because they were throwing fits about having their screen time limited, weren't even getting dressed in the morning, etc... so away the electronics went.

I've always defended video games when people try to blame them on society's problems. And even though I can see first hand the effects of addiction, I still say we don't have a video game problem, we have a parenting problem. I'm required to give you a place to live, food to eat, basic clothing, healthcare, and transportation to school... everything else is a privilege you should have to earn. My wife and I make a lot more money than either of us grew up with, but I'll be damned if my kids grow up like entitled little shits like most kids are.

Agreed 100%

[Avante]

Make me a list... you're good at that, facts? not so much.

Nobody associated with the tragety is talking about terrorism. What should that tell you?

[Avante]

It's not even confined to shooting, can also be stabbing or anything else:

In another example, from March of this year, a white man named James Harris Jackson stabbed to death a black man in New York and said he did so as a "practice" run for more killings of black people. Jackson was charged with murder in the second degree as a hate crime.
But Jackson also faces a terrorism charge in the case (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/us/james-jackson-murder-charge/) -- murder as an act of terrorism in the first and second degrees.
According to police, Jackson, a Baltimore resident, said he traveled to New York because it is the media capital of the world and he wanted to make a statement.

There's also such a thing as grouping certain crimes as 'domestic terrorism' according to the FBI:

Part of the confusion stems from the fact that the world has never really settled on a standard definition of "terrorism." The US Code of Federal Regulations defines it as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." But it is not a standalone criminal charge. "There is not a domestic terrorism crime as such," FBI Director Christopher Wray said in a Senate hearing in September. "We in the FBI refer to domestic terrorism as a category but it's more of a way in which we allocate which agents, which squad is going to work on it."

As it's stated, there's no standard (and thus it's certainly a matter of opinion), but that doesn't preclude LE calling it what it is: terrorism. And I think they're right to do so.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/what-is-terrorism-definition-trnd/index.html

Dude, pay attention to what everybody is telLing you, ok? What we saw in that situation is not what is referred to as terrorism.

Time to...ok I was wrong......honest.

[ElNono]

ElNono still confused :lol

Not confused at all, tbh, and you're not making an argument at all either, per par... :lol

I certainly don't get why some people seem averse to call things by their name, tbh...

[ElNono]

Dude, pay attention to what everybody is telLing you, ok? What we saw in that situation is not what is referred to as terrorism.

Time to...ok I was wrong......honest.

If I have to pay attention to "what everybody is telling", then you're an old faggot, tbh.

Still waiting for you to come up with a better analogy than the debunked bar brawl...

[Chris]

Not confused at all, tbh, and you're not making an argument at all either, per par... :lol

I certainly don't get why some people seem averse to call things by their name, tbh...

I know what the definition of terrorism is :lol

[Avante]

If I have to pay attention to "what everybody is telling", then you're an old faggot, tbh.

Still waiting for you to come up with a better analogy than the debunked bar brawl...

Dude, not the tired worn out.."if you don't agree with me I'll call you names"....sheesh~~~~

I thought I was talking to a mature adult, yep...wrong.

ELNono, if you need to be 100%/totally/completely wrong go for it. You are so wrong it's comical.

Done with ya on this.

[AaronY]

I know what the definition of terrorism is :lol

Same here


https://i.imgflip.com/1x0gj9.jpg

[ElNono]

I know what the definition of terrorism is :lol

I know what the definition of terrorism is too... do you have a point? or you're gonna post a wall of tweets? :lol

[ElNono]

Dude, not the tired worn out.."if you don't agree with me I'll call you names"....sheesh~~~~

I thought I was talking to a mature adult, yep...wrong.

ELNono, if you need to be 100%/totally/completely wrong go for it. You are so wrong it's comical.

Done with ya on this.

Avante, sir, did I call you that? I'm just saying, why can't we talk about this in civility and with arguments? "Everybody says A" is not an argument. "You're wrong" is not an argument.

I already posted evidence that the FBI themselves call it terrorism. I understand there's no clear standard for 'terrorism', and I also pointed out that it's definitely a matter of opinion.

I didn't call you wrong, did I?

[SnakeBoy]

It's not even confined to shooting, can also be stabbing or anything else:

In another example, from March of this year, a white man named James Harris Jackson stabbed to death a black man in New York and said he did so as a "practice" run for more killings of black people. Jackson was charged with murder in the second degree as a hate crime.
But Jackson also faces a terrorism charge in the case (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/us/james-jackson-murder-charge/) -- murder as an act of terrorism in the first and second degrees.
According to police, Jackson, a Baltimore resident, said he traveled to New York because it is the media capital of the world and he wanted to make a statement.

There's also such a thing as grouping certain crimes as 'domestic terrorism' according to the FBI:

Part of the confusion stems from the fact that the world has never really settled on a standard definition of "terrorism." The US Code of Federal Regulations defines it as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." But it is not a standalone criminal charge. "There is not a domestic terrorism crime as such," FBI Director Christopher Wray said in a Senate hearing in September. "We in the FBI refer to domestic terrorism as a category but it's more of a way in which we allocate which agents, which squad is going to work on it."

As it's stated, there's no standard (and thus it's certainly a matter of opinion), but that doesn't preclude LE calling it what it is: terrorism. And I think they're right to do so.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/us/what-is-terrorism-definition-trnd/index.html

There are certainly gray areas but even the article you linked disagrees with what you are calling terrorism. Killing for the sake of killing or killing random people because you are mad doesn't qualify as terrorism. As the article states "So once again, it all comes down to motive. Was there a political or ideological agenda behind the attack? "

I don't know the details of the James Harris Jackson case but just from that description it's not hard to imagine that his motive might go beyond killing just to kill.

[ElNono]

There are certainly gray areas but even the article you linked disagrees with what you are calling terrorism. Killing for the sake of killing or killing random people because you are mad doesn't qualify as terrorism. As the article states "So once again, it all comes down to motive. Was there a political or ideological agenda behind the attack? "

I don't know the details of the James Harris Jackson case but just from that description it's not hard to imagine that his motive might go beyond killing just to kill.

Jackson specifically said he was going to New York because it was a big media market. It goes to sending a message and to motive.

Post #28 in this thread, probably my 2nd or 3rd post:


well, we don't have the luxury to ask the perpetrator what his motive was in this particular case, but it's clear he wanted to send a message

Some people might disagree with the last part, I'm ok with that. I do think it's one thing to be mad at somebody, and going at that person specifically, or being depressive and going against yourself, vs just shooting up random people 'coz you snapped'.

I think in the latter case, you're trying to send a message. I think it's implicit in the heinous act that was committed. Do they really need to find a suicide note at home, how he was going to show the world they can't mess with him? Or that he's been planning this thing for years? Or that he was an Isis lover? Now it's terror? Same crime. They're not going to charge him, he's dead.

This reminds me the Nuremberg trials, where most Nazis defended themselves against the 'crimes against humanity' charge saying they were just following orders. I'm sure a lot of them were. But they committed such terrible crimes, so horrendous, the motive was just implicit in their actions.