The Robert Mueller Appreciation Thread

[dabom]

:hat

[dabom]

That dude has taken down EVERYONE around orange shit. I see his family as his next targets. :wow

Dude is a rabid dog out here. Could probably find those eaten babies by Hillary. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

This is gonna live on for a long time

[boutons_deux]

The Legend of Don The Con Trash and His Crime Family, rolled up and taken down by the toughest SOB east of the Pecos

[Spurs Homer]

God bless Mueller

or

( for Blake)

May the universe bless Mueller!

[djohn2oo8]

Gonna have a drink named after him

[florige]

Gonna have a drink named after him


He'll have a major city named after him if he manages to take down cheeto man.

[dabom]

God bless Mueller

or

( for Blake)

May the universe bless Mueller!

:lol

[boutons_deux]

Between Mueller's Marauders and Trash, Pence, mafiya taken out, there is the Congress. If it stays Repug, esp the convicting Senate, Trash may still escape punishment.

Nixon and his Veep Agnew both were taken down, can happen again. Paul Ryan or Nancy Pelosi as President? :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Between Mueller's Marauders and Trash, Pence, mafiya taken out, there is the Congress. If it stays Repug, esp the convicting Senate, Trash may still escape punishment.

Nixon and his Veep Agnew both were taken down, can happen again. Paul Ryan or Nancy Pelosi as President? :lol
Paul Ryan ain’t happening.

[boutons_deux]

Paul Ryan ain’t happening.

He's Speaker, and next in line, until 20 Jan.

[hater]

2 years, millions of taxpayer dollars spent and thousands of man hours later all he has to show for is Manafort on tax evasion :lmao :lmao :lmao

Its Murller time :lmao

[Reck]

2 years, millions of taxpayer dollars spent and thousands of man hours later all he has to show for is Manafort on tax evasion :lmao :lmao :lmao

Its Murller time :lmao

Remember when the talking point was...2 years, millions of dollars spent and not even a Manafort on the hook? :lol

BTW, the Russia investigation was costing tax payers 17 millions a year. Guess what? Nailing Manafort to the tree of woe netted the government 46 schilling. Doubling what the initial cost of the investigation was.

This shit is already paid for twice over. :lol my nigga Hater

[Spurtacular]

Gonna have a drink named after him

In lieu of having one named after Hillary.

:rollin

[hater]

In lieu of having one named after Hillary.

:rollin

:lol

[DarrinS]

Fan club gonna be disappointed

[hater]

Remember when the talking point was...2 years, millions of dollars spent and not even a Manafort on the hook? :lol

BTW, the Russia investigation was costing tax payers 17 millions a year. Guess what? Nailing Manafort to the tree of woe netted the government 46 schilling. Doubling what the initial cost of the investigation was.

This shit is already paid for twice over. :lol my nigga Hater

2 years already nig and all you guys could get is Manafort and his collection of crocodile jackets :lol

2 more years and you might get anothe guy with a chinchila jacket :lol and then Trumps 1st term is over :lmao

[DMC]

This is like one of those events that takes forever so you only want the bullet points and the outcome. So far so many here have been glued to the play by play, and no one has really scored. It's like political soccer minus the shower hand jobs.

[Spurtacular]

RM will be Ken Starr 2.0 down the road if he doesn't nail a Trump. That's all there is to it.

[Winehole23]

disagree.

pace has been brisk compared to other special/independent prosecutor investigations. so far Mueller has nailed everyone he's gone after including Trump's NatSec advisor, his campaign manager and his personal lawyer.

it's more like a soccer match where one team has scored 5 goals in the first half.

[DMC]

disagree.

pace has been brisk compared to other special/independent prosecutor investigations. so far Mueller has nailed everyone he's gone after including Trump's NatSec advisor, his campaign manager and his personal lawyer.

it's more like a soccer match where one team has scored 5 goals in the first half.

Not unless you consider nobodies to be important. They want Trump. These people they are going after are small fish. An FBI agent lost his job. Now another Obama guy is in trouble. But had we not seen their trials and all the press around them, we probably never heard of either of them. The media could concoct a couple names and make up a story about them and this forum would have threads dedicated to how important these fake names are and how Mueller is doing a great job because of it.

What have they done to thwart Russian meddling? If they just want to go after corrupt people, line them fuckers up from DC to LA and let's get it on.

[Winehole23]

RM will be Ken Starr 2.0 down the road if he doesn't nail a Trump. That's all there is to it.what if he nails Jared or Don Jr.? it's not unthinkable.

Manafort was in the room with both of them on the June 9th, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower.

[Winehole23]

Not unless you consider nobodies to be important. characterizing a top cabinet official and a campaign manager as nobodies is disingenuous.

[Rob Gronkowski]

disagree.

pace has been brisk compared to other special/independent prosecutor investigations. so far Mueller has nailed everyone he's gone after including Trump's NatSec advisor, his campaign manager and his personal lawyer.

it's more like a soccer match where one team has scored 5 goals in the first half.
With the losing side saying “unless you score 10 more goals then we still win somehow!”

[Winehole23]

What have they done to thwart Russian meddling?nothing as far as I can tell. we all know what Clinton got impeached for. it had nothing to do with White Water, went on three times as long and was geometrically more expensive.

let the chips fall where they may.

[Spurtacular]

what if he nails Jared or Don Jr.? it's not unthinkable.

Manafort was in the room with both of them on the June 9th, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower.

They're Trumps, blood.

[Spurtacular]

disagree.

pace has been brisk compared to other special/independent prosecutor investigations. so far Mueller has nailed everyone he's gone after including Trump's NatSec advisor, his campaign manager and his personal lawyer.

it's more like a soccer match where one team has scored 5 goals in the first half.

:lmao Saying this when zero collusion still in effect.

[Spurtacular]

With the losing side saying “unless you score 10 more goals then we still win somehow!”

:lmao Slob doing a man crush screen name
:lmao Stay in the club, slob (see my post above)
:lmao Worse at politics than cuck Blake

[Winehole23]

They're Trumps, blood.Jared is a high cabinet member. He's in government about as close to the president as you can get.

[Winehole23]

:lmao Saying this when zero collusion still in effect.we'll see.

regardless, a number of people close to DJT are already admitted or convicted felons.

[Rob Gronkowski]

With the losing side saying “unless you score 10 more goals then we still win somehow!”


:lmao Saying this when zero collusion still in effect.

:lmao case in point

[Spurtacular]

we'll see.

regardless, a number of people close to DJT are already admitted or convicted felons.

No seedier than the people that surrounded Clintons and Obamas.

[hater]

what if he nails Jared or Don Jr.? it's not unthinkable.

Manafort was in the room with both of them on the June 9th, 2016 meeting at Trump Tower.

:lmao Jard and Don. 2 of the most useless scrubs in politucal history.

We all know who carries that team and its Trump.

Jared and Don are basically dick Jefferson and Timofey Mozgov in Lebrons cavs :lmao

[Spurtacular]

:lmao case in point

Where's the collusion, slob?

Again, you're worse that cuck Blake at politics; and that's saying somthing.

:rollin

[Spurtacular]

:lmao Jard and Don. 2 of the most useless scrubs in politucal history.

We all know who carries that team and its Trump.

Jared and Don are basically dick Jefferson and Timofey Mozgov in Lebrons cavs :lmao

:rollin

[hater]

It wouldnactually help team Trump if Mueller jails both scrubs Don Jr and Jard tbqh :lol

Ivanka “kyrie” Trump would finally play with a chip on her shoulder :lol

[Spurs Homer]

Not unless you consider nobodies to be important. They want Trump. These people they are going after are small fish. An FBI agent lost his job. Now another Obama guy is in trouble. But had we not seen their trials and all the press around them, we probably never heard of either of them. The media could concoct a couple names and make up a story about them and this forum would have threads dedicated to how important these fake names are and how Mueller is doing a great job because of it.

What have they done to thwart Russian meddling? If they just want to go after corrupt people, line them fuckers up from DC to LA and let's get it on.

A competent prosecutor works from the outside and works inward. Same way that they work when dealing with mafia crime. You get the flunkies selling drugs on the street. Next, their bosses - which are neighborhood thugs who follow orders. On and on until they all start throwing each other under the bus to save their own ass.

The entire Trump team is nothing but a retarded criminal enterprise with the head criminal making Mueller's job way easier than it needs to be with his stupid lies, remarks, attacks, deflections and ongoing public display of obstruction of justice.

The first team surrounding Trump is already gone down. Nat'l security advisor - guilty and cooperating. Campaign manager-guilty and convicted and cooperating. His asst- guilty and cooperating. Foreign policy advisor-convicted. His CPA or whatever that finance guy was cooperating - he has all the tax fraud info - that will be fun. His Nat'l Enquirer protector who buried Trumps scandals- cooperating. His own attorney who hid his crimes- guilty and cooperating.

It won't matter to people like you that refuse to stop supporting a traitor, a liar, a criminal and a Russian asset. You have no moral ground to preach from. Your white supremacist traitor in chief is going down and any half intelligent person can see where this is going and where your hero will end up.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Where's the collusion, slob?

Again, you're worse that cuck Blake (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=3460) at politics; and that's saying somthing.

:rollin
Who says there has to be collusion for the investigation to be a success? Oh, the dipshits like you who keep moving the goalposts :lmao

[Winehole23]

No seedier than the people that surrounded Clintons and Obamas.some of them went to jail too, or will. let the chips fall.

[Winehole23]

:lmao Jard and Don. 2 of the most useless scrubs in politucal history.

We all know who carries that team and its Trump.

Jared and Don are basically dick Jefferson and Timofey Mozgov in Lebrons cavs :lmaoforced hilarity, forced metaphors.

DJT faces real hazard.

[Winehole23]

Obama would not have survived the payoffs to porn stars and Playboy bunnies.

Tables turned, you'd all be calling for Obama's head and whipping up Russophobe hysteria.

[djohn2oo8]

He's Speaker, and next in line, until 20 Jan.
Ask him why he is retiring and you will find out why it won’t happen

[Winehole23]

why is Ryan retiring?

[Winehole23]

Obama would not have survived the payoffs to porn stars and Playboy bunnies.

Tables turned, you'd all be calling for Obama's head and whipping up Russophobe hysteria.The thing that most resembles the way the left has reacted to DJT is the way the right treated Obama for eight years.

For lunacy, paranoia and naked emotionalism, the likeness is striking.

Turnabout is fair play, y'all.

[ElNono]

Jared and Don Jr found guilty would be a giant L for Dennison...

that said, this guy has zero scruples, tbh, would actually be hilarious if he throws them under the bus if they get indicted :lol

[Spurminator]

The thing that most resembles the way the left has reacted to DJT is the way the right treated Obama for eight years.

For lunacy, paranoia and naked emotionalism, the likeness is striking.

Turnabout is fair play, y'all.

Similar reaction, far different provocation.

[Winehole23]

Similar reaction, far different provocation.I agree.

[pgardn]

Similar reaction, far different provocation.

Skin color is provocative.

Orange is superior to black.
Uppity negro compared to lying, cheating, self-absorbed Cheeto.

[Spurs Homer]

The thing that most resembles the way the left has reacted to DJT is the way the right treated Obama for eight years.

For lunacy, paranoia and naked emotionalism, the likeness is striking.

Turnabout is fair play, y'all.

Had Obama, invited the Russians into the oval office after firing the guy who was investigating him and bragged about it and not even invited the American press - Obama would have been lynched from the tree on the white house grounds immediately.

[Chucho]

Skin color is provocative.

Orange is superior to black.
Uppity negro compared to lying, cheating, self-absorbed Cheeto.

Yeah, but them uppity colored folk can run track better than ol Bone spurs ever could.

[Winehole23]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xKtIqXMpHcY/hqdefault.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKtIqXMpHcY)

[djohn2oo8]

why is Ryan retiring?
Accepted and disbursed Russian funds throughout the GOP.

[Winehole23]

you seem fairly certain. what has you convinced?

[pgardn]

Yeah, but them uppity colored folk can run track better than ol Bone spurs ever could.

Obama might have read and run better than any of Avante’s friends, even while smoking and shooting hoops.

[pgardn]

you seem fairly certain. what has you convinced?

twitter drivel...

[Winehole23]

it's amazing how people fall for anything that's printed anywhere, so long as it flatters what they already believe.

I guess that's sort of the genius of the internet: stovepiped, individually tailored content.

[Spurs Homer]

you seem fairly certain. what has you convinced?

The way the entire GOP conducted a sham investigation - defending Trumps team, blocking subpoenas, attacking the FBI, etc.
Also the NRA and all the money they funneled from Russia to the GOP and made sure the origin of where the funds came from was hidden. Finally - Ryan - and that mtg that he was overheard shutting up Kevin McCarthy after McCarthy said that Putin pays Trump and Rohrbacher - and Ryan shut them up and swore them to secrecy - here is the gist of it;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.20df8ad722ae

[Winehole23]

you're pretty gullible if you take a bull session like that as evidence Ryan is compromised.

[boutons_deux]

There's something extremely weird, suspect, going back to Obama's years, about so many Repugs and rightwingnutjobs like so-called sheriff Clarke, AND Christian Taliban, adoring Pootin and 4th rate Russia.

And now we hear the NRA was laundering Russian $Ms.

Ryan must have known that Russian $100Ms were pouring into Repugs and Trash. He's Catholic scumbag.

[djohn2oo8]

you seem fairly certain. what has you convinced?
A 48 year old Speaker of the House retiring. Because that’s normal right?

[djohn2oo8]

it's amazing how people fall for anything that's printed anywhere, so long as it flatters what they already believe.

I guess that's sort of the genius of the internet: stovepiped, individually tailored content.
Pretty sure I called the NRA Russian ties out before anyone in the media. Funny how that’s all coming out. Also sure I noted which Trump campaign members were intially gonna be legally fucked first.
I understand why you are bitter. You generally have no fucking clue of what’s going on and I get that. But you do have a few options. You really don’t have to read my threads. You complain about drivel, yet you keep coming to read my threads that’s got half a million views, with multiple indictments plea deals and Russian links everywhere. You complain about it but can’t stay away. You come to me for news and that’s okay baby boy. Now go sit in your corner and cry some more. Maybe when this is over I’ll allow you to get on your knees and beg for forgiveness. That’s the least I can do for you.

[Winehole23]

:rollin

[Winehole23]

don't sprain your wrist patting yourself on the back

[Spurs Homer]

you're pretty gullible if you take a bull session like that as evidence Ryan is compromised.

That is just SOME of the reasons. Look at Ryan approving of Nunes' obstruction - that is the biggest proof there is - Nunes basically took it upon himself to trash the investigation into Trump/Russia - but Nunes could not have done anything without Ryan allowing him to.

If you refuse to see that - then you are just refusing to see evidence in open sight/public availability.

Gullible - is believing a word that comes out of the biggest liar in the world.

[Reck]

you're pretty gullible if you take a bull session like that as evidence Ryan is compromised.

Ryan doesn't need to be compromised to be as guilty as the lot.

He's more than happy to allow his own house members do as they please. Nunes for example being the more egregious one.

In reality Nunes should have been removed from his post but since he's Ryan's boy he gets to break the rules most so than others.

BTW, most of the GOP is compromised one way or the other. One obvious entity that owns the GOP being the NRA.

They have them hostage. Now Trump has them hostage along with the NRA.

[Spurs Homer]

Woke this morning and thanked the lord for another day and thanked him for Mueller.

[Winehole23]

That is just SOME of the reasons. Look at Ryan approving of Nunes' obstruction - that is the biggest proof there is - Nunes basically took it upon himself to trash the investigation into Trump/Russia - but Nunes could not have done anything without Ryan allowing him to.explain how Ryan can prevent the HPSCI from doing whatever it chooses to do.


If you refuse to see that - then you are just refusing to see evidence in open sight/public availability.

Gullible - is believing a word that comes out of the biggest liar in the world.not drawing evidentiary conclusions from a jocular private conversation is not equivalent to buying DJT's word about it.

that you've already arrived at what you think are legally sufficient conclusions before the evidence has been examined by a competent tribunal is not proof that anyone else is dim -- it just means you've prejudged the situation.

[Winehole23]

there's no doubt in my mind that DJT is a liar and a crook and the most deeply compromised president in my own lifetime and perhaps ever.

but that doesn't mean I'll buy whatever lefty rage-twitter and bulletin board whiners throw on the wall.

[Winehole23]

Ryan doesn't need to be compromised to be as guilty as the lot.

He's more than happy to allow his own house members do as they please. Nunes for example being the more egregious one.

In reality Nunes should have been removed from his post but since he's Ryan's boy he gets to break the rules most so than others.so then, Paul Ryan's failure to discipline rule-breaking committee members amounts to obstruction of justice? seems a bit a of a reach.

what rules did Nunes break?

[Spurs Homer]

explain how Ryan can prevent the HPSCI from doing whatever it chooses to do.

not drawing evidentiary conclusions from a jocular private conversation is not equivalent to buying DJT's word about it.

that you've already arrived at what you think are legally sufficient conclusions before the evidence has been examined by a competent tribunal is not proof that anyone else is dim -- it just means you've prejudged the situation.

Ryan either could have approved or disapproved when a subpoena was issued for a witness or a document. Democrats have repeatedly stated that they begged the majority to call back witnesses who refused to answer questions without any legal reason. Dems asked for subpoenas to require witnesses to turn over documents, emails, etc - but were turned down. Then - after a sham investigation - they ended it and declared "no collusion."

The other committee is only slightly better with another Repug in charge.

There is no pre-judging - I am mainly pointing out public evidence. All of Muellers results are more than enough to see that this is nothing more than a criminal enterprise occupying the white house. That is just going on what is publicly available.

[Winehole23]

The committees were unfair and partisan, true.

Hate to break it to you, but that's how Congressional committees work. They're composed of politicians from one of two parties.

Congressional committees are not judicial bodies. They're political ones.

If they do wrong (short of demonstrable criminality) they are accountable to the voters.

[Spurs Homer]

so then, Paul Ryan's failure to discipline rule-breaking committee members amounts to obstruction of justice? seems a bit a of a reach.

what rules did Nunes break?

Ryan could have and should have told Nunes to recuse himself first of all. Nunes was in the Trump campaign. Second he should have refused to allow any of those fishing expeditions that Nunes, Jordan, McCarthy, DeSantis, Gaetz,etc - were conducting. Attack the FBI, fish for texts until they exposed some, run to FOX news and begin spinning their conspiracy theories.
Ryan could have done his job and just said - "allow the FBI to do its job and let the truth set Trump free if he is indeed innocent."

Actually, Nunes sham-recused himself because he ran to the white house to warn Trump and handed over materials which were damaging to Trump. Then after he sham-recused - he continued to obstruct the investigation with his ridiculous memo-gate charade. Ryan just allowed all this to happen.
Rosenstein went to Ryan and told him that his henchmen were trying to extract documents from the investigation. Rosenstein explained that for a hundred years - the FBI policy is to never release materials of an ongoing investigation because of "sources & methods", "classified info" etc..

But Ryan instead - said - no. He said he would allow his henchmen to continue to obstruct and continue to release info from an ongoing investigation. He told Rosenstein that "sunlight is the best disinfectant"
Really?

Then why did Ryan refuse when he was presented a bill by Democrats to compel Trump to release his income taxes?
I guess - not THAT much sunlight lol.

Rosenstein - so far - has tried to carefully comply - while under the gun from a rogue, criminal president and his complicit henchmen - and Ryan - who allows them to run amok and obsruct the ongoing investigation.

[Winehole23]

that Paul Ryan was unwilling to remedy the unfairness of the work of committees benefiting his majority does not make him a criminal, it makes him a politician.

[Winehole23]

that said, maybe djohn is right. maybe evidence that Paul Ryan spread around Russian campaign cash will come to light. it hasn't yet.

[Winehole23]

Actually, Nunes sham-recused himself because he ran to the white house to warn Trump and handed over materials which were damaging to Trump. Then after he sham-recused - he continued to obstruct the investigation with his ridiculous memo-gate charade. Ryan just allowed all this to happen.shady af. I agree.

[Spurs Homer]

that said, maybe djohn is right. maybe evidence that Paul Ryan spread around Russian campaign cash will come to light. it hasn't yet.

Some has already. Plenty of Russian cash went from Russia>NRA>GOP. (Public info already)

[djohn2oo8]

Ryan doesn't need to be compromised to be as guilty as the lot.

He's more than happy to allow his own house members do as they please. Nunes for example being the more egregious one.

In reality Nunes should have been removed from his post but since he's Ryan's boy he gets to break the rules most so than others.

BTW, most of the GOP is compromised one way or the other. One obvious entity that owns the GOP being the NRA.

They have them hostage. Now Trump has them hostage along with the NRA.

Don’t explain anything to him. He’s Darrin Jr.

[Winehole23]

Some has already. Plenty of Russian cash went from Russia>NRA>GOP. (Public info already)yep.

if there's evidence connecting it to Paul Ryan I'm all ears.

[ducks]

Bob Woodard Drops Bombshell About Trump. Democrats Will Not Be Happy.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/35918/bob-woodard-drops-bombshell-interview-democrats-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand

[Winehole23]

Bob Woodard is one reporter. That he failed to get a scoop is hardly news.

[Spurs Homer]

lol Hugh Hewitt

[Winehole23]

lol ducks

[Spurs Homer]

lol ducks

[DMC]

With the losing side saying “unless you score 10 more goals then we still win somehow!”

The other side is in power. They already won.

[pgardn]

Don’t explain anything to him. He’s Darrin Jr.

This is also BS.

If you have read any of Winehole’s stuff you know that’s absolutely ridiculous.
This is hardened left excoriating anyone who does not completely by in.
This is interesting as this is what happens when extreme views can’t handle legit questioning. Ryan is a political animal. He was chosen to get the right on track. Make peace between the freedom caucus and the conservative right. The moderates sit on the sidelines. It’s Ryan’s job to get his Party communicating, which is very difficult.

And as far as why he wants to leave... He can’t fckn win with this situation. Hardcore Trumpers have made this job impossible. He does nothing he feels is correct, all he does is babysit. Imo he jumps in later. After the Trumpers are expunged. Or not. Then he stays gone. But surely there is an easier way for him than breaking up children fighting. Imo he hates his job. And the next guy up will hate it as well.

[DMX7]

He makes me so proud to be an American. I have so much respect for this man.

[Chris]

Pretty sure I called the NRA Russian ties out before anyone in the media. Funny how that’s all coming out. Also sure I noted which Trump campaign members were intially gonna be legally fucked first.
I understand why you are bitter. You generally have no fucking clue of what’s going on and I get that. But you do have a few options. You really don’t have to read my threads. You complain about drivel, yet you keep coming to read my threads that’s got half a million views, with multiple indictments plea deals and Russian links everywhere. You complain about it but can’t stay away. You come to me for news and that’s okay baby boy. Now go sit in your corner and cry some more. Maybe when this is over I’ll allow you to get on your knees and beg for forgiveness. That’s the least I can do for you.

lol

[hater]

“When this is over”

:lmao

Snowflakes already hoping this to be over :lol

[101A]

Who says there has to be collusion for the investigation to be a success? Oh, the dipshits like you who keep moving the goalposts :lmao

I am no Trump apologist, but does this mindset not concern you in the least? I know Trump must go, but an open-ended investigation whose purpose, apparently, is to get a target vs. solve a crime, or uncover specific information (vs. any information) does trouble me.

Also, am I allowed to be upset about the way both Garland AND Kavanaugh have been treated? Or can I only be disgusted about one of those travesty's?

[Spurs Homer]

I am no Trump apologist, but does this mindset not concern you in the least? I know Trump must go, but an open-ended investigation whose purpose, apparently, is to get a target vs. solve a crime, or uncover specific information (vs. any information) does trouble me.

Also, am I allowed to be upset about the way both Garland AND Kavanaugh have been treated? Or can I only be disgusted about one of those travesty's?

This IS the proper way an investigation works. In the USA at least. First, there has to be a reasonable amount of evidence that a crime has been committed. There was plenty - and other countries in the world were alarmed enough to also share what evidence they had observed between Russia and Trump team. Trump team responded by lying about every possible Russian meeting or incident. The intelligence agencies were on it. They began watching as they were required to do. Trump protected Flynn after Sally Yates warned the white house about Flynn. Then Trump fires Yates. Trump fires Comey.

Of course - this was more than enough to warrant a special counsel.

Every legitimate investigation includes this: "investigate crimes committed AND ANY OTHER CRIMES THAT ARISE IN THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION."

This is just the way the law in the USA works.

So next time when you hear the Trumps and Hannities of the world whining about Mueller and acting like little snowflakes - you can rest assured that they could have avoided this by

OBEYING THE LAWS OF THE USA.

[dabom]

This IS the proper way an investigation works. In the USA at least. First, there has to be a reasonable amount of evidence that a crime has been committed. There was plenty - and other countries in the world were alarmed enough to also share what evidence they had observed between Russia and Trump team. Trump team responded by lying about every possible Russian meeting or incident. The intelligence agencies were on it. They began watching as they were required to do. Trump protected Flynn after Sally Yates warned the white house about Flynn. Then Trump fires Yates. Trump fires Comey.

Of course - this was more than enough to warrant a special counsel.

Every legitimate investigation includes this: "investigate crimes committed AND ANY OTHER CRIMES THAT ARISE IN THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION."

This is just the way the law in the USA works.

So next time when you hear the Trumps and Hannities of the world whining about Mueller and acting like little snowflakes - you can rest assured that they could have avoided this by

OBEYING THE LAWS OF THE USA.

I was just going to respond to him. :lol

These are real crimes these guys are committing. :lol

[boutons_deux]

"open-ended investigation whose purpose, apparently, is to get a target vs. solve a crime, or uncover specific information (vs. any information) does trouble me."

:lol such a sensitive soul

At which point do so-called "open ended" investigators say

"we must ignore the EVIDENCE of yet another crime just so the open-ended gets closed-ended"

[Winehole23]

I am no Trump apologist, but does this mindset not concern you in the least? I know Trump must go, but an open-ended investigation whose purpose, apparently, is to get a target vs. solve a crime, or uncover specific information (vs. any information) does trouble me.It has been the way of all special/independent prosecutors we've had so far, but this is a legit gripe. The normalization of lawfare pursued for the political end of disqualifying/hobbling high government officials has troubling implications for government in general.

[Spurs Homer]

I was just going to respond to him. :lol

These are real crimes these guys are committing. :lol

If this was Clinton getting a BJ - when the investigation was about Arkansas shenanigans...lol.

[101A]

This IS the proper way an investigation works. In the USA at least. First, there has to be a reasonable amount of evidence that a crime has been committed. There was plenty - and other countries in the world were alarmed enough to also share what evidence they had observed between Russia and Trump team. Trump team responded by lying about every possible Russian meeting or incident. The intelligence agencies were on it. They began watching as they were required to do. Trump protected Flynn after Sally Yates warned the white house about Flynn. Then Trump fires Yates. Trump fires Comey.

Of course - this was more than enough to warrant a special counsel.

Every legitimate investigation includes this: "investigate crimes committed AND ANY OTHER CRIMES THAT ARISE IN THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION."

This is just the way the law in the USA works.

So next time when you hear the Trumps and Hannities of the world whining about Mueller and acting like little snowflakes - you can rest assured that they could have avoided this by

OBEYING THE LAWS OF THE USA.

"You have nothing to fear as long as you haven't broken the law."

Got it.

That's EXACTLY what Jefferson, Madison and Hamilton had in mind.

[Spurs Homer]

It has been the way of all special/independent prosecutors we've had so far, but this is a legit gripe. The normalization of lawfare pursued for the political end of disqualifying/hobbling high government officials has troubling implications for government in general.

Just draining the swamp - what is wrong with that?

[101A]

https://m.oxfordeagle.com/2018/05/09/show-me-the-man-and-ill-show-you-the-crime/

[Spurs Homer]

https://m.oxfordeagle.com/2018/05/09/show-me-the-man-and-ill-show-you-the-crime/

Except that the criminal enterprise that is occupying the White House are not some poor innocent citizens - they are CRIMINALS who have committed crimes. No different than other criminals who commit crimes and are prosecuted.

[Winehole23]

I think this investigation was properly authorized, but I think 101A has a legit point about the political weaponization of investigations.

The Starr investigation is the best recent example for me, an investigation into real estate shenanigans that ended up focussing on an affair with an intern -- four years after the investigation started.

The serial House investigations of Benghazi strike me as an example in the same vein. There's no good reason for them to have gone on as long as they did, except to create a cloud of suspicion over a presidential candidate.

Can you see what's to be concerned about, or has the possible political benefit of the current one blinded you to possible drawbacks?

[Winehole23]

even properly authorized investigations can go off the rails.

[101A]

Just draining the swamp - what is wrong with that?

It's the rule of law, or lack of it that should concern all of us. If prosecutors are given freedom to pull any thread and go any direction to get a target, vs. solve a crime - then it is just a matter of time until you are a target. Happening to a Dr. friend of mine right now. It is scary as hell when the Federal Government sets its site's on you, or someone you know.

He cosigned some charts for patients at a Soboxone clinic. Ten years ago. Since then, the clinic has had some bad record keeping, and became sketchy. It got shut down last year, with the Fed taking ALL the records. Urine tests that were attached to charts when he saw them have gone missing - he can't prove they were there at the time. He's looking at losing his license, over a million dollar fine, and 30 years potentially. For something he did a decade ago - legitimately. But a net got cast, and he got caught up in it. And if you think, somehow, his actual innocence will save him? Think again. Federal prosecutors are advanced and rewarded for one thing - convictions. Notches on their guns.

[Winehole23]

and can be bent to political ends

[101A]

Except that the criminal enterprise that is occupying the White House are not some poor innocent citizens - they are CRIMINALS who have committed crimes. No different than other criminals who commit crimes and are prosecuted.

I have little doubt (but no proof) that Trump has taken part in illegal (probably many) activities over his career. I would like, however, for the horse to be permanently placed in front of the cart. Identify a specific crime. Investigate that crime. Bring Charges. Convict.

Not: Investigate a person, find a crime, etc....

[DarrinS]

Criminal fishing expedition disguised as a counterintelligence investigation

With oppo research innuendo as “reasonable amount of evidence”

Good times

[101A]

I think this investigation was properly authorized, but I think 101A has a legit point about the political weaponization of investigations.

The Starr investigation is the best recent example for me, an investigation into real estate shenanigans that ended up focussing on an affair with an intern -- four years after the investigation started.

The serial House investigations of Benghazi strike me as an example in the same vein. There's no good reason for them to have gone on as long as they did, except to create a cloud of suspicion over a presidential candidate.

Can you see what's to be concerned about, or has the possible political benefit of the current one blinded you to possible drawbacks?

Did you catch Starr cashing in? Wrote a book about the whole affair (sic). Shouldn't be allowed (not sure how to stop it, however).

[Spurs Homer]

I think this investigation was properly authorized, but I think 101A has a legit point about the political weaponization of investigations.

The Starr investigation is the best recent example for me, an investigation into real estate shenanigans that ended up focussing on an affair with an intern -- four years after the investigation started.

The serial House investigations of Benghazi strike me as an example in the same vein. There's no good reason for them to have gone on as long as they did, except to create a cloud of suspicion over a presidential candidate.

Can you see what's to be concerned about, or has the possible political benefit of the current one blinded you to possible drawbacks?


Everyone has just forgotten that Trump - might not even be a legitimate president. That Trumps' (pun intended) every other variable. A person - with assistance from an enemy foreign gov't - was complicit in election cyberfuckery and there is a good chance he is a fraudulent president. Just because everyone parrots the "no votes were tampered with" line - how do they know? There is no evidence they say -

but there is an ongoing investigation into other crimes surrounding this and if the Dems get Congress back - they could open a true investigation into the actual vote counting and then we will see.


On another note - how can you - with a straight face - after seeing Trumps entire campaign team and his personal lawyer and his accountant tax guy - all be guilty and/or cooperating come in here and post about weaponization of investigation when this is the ONLY campaign, the only white house administration with this level of corruption?

[101A]

I think this investigation was properly authorized, but I think 101A has a legit point about the political weaponization of investigations.

The Starr investigation is the best recent example for me, an investigation into real estate shenanigans that ended up focussing on an affair with an intern -- four years after the investigation started.

The serial House investigations of Benghazi strike me as an example in the same vein. There's no good reason for them to have gone on as long as they did, except to create a cloud of suspicion over a presidential candidate.

Can you see what's to be concerned about, or has the possible political benefit of the current one blinded you to possible drawbacks?

In the book he describes how they were "going" to indict Hillary.

But you DIDN'T!

So don't fucking write about it now, just to sell some books and further impugn her. You were a fucking special counsel spending bazillions of our dollars, and didn't charge her - not enough evidence. Then why the hell is there enough now to slander her and make some coin?

[boutons_deux]

Not: Investigate a person, find a crime, etc....

Papa Dop lit the fuse of evidence, FBI started investigating towards a crime, not towards a person.

[Winehole23]

if your greedy and/or ambitious, being a prosecutor is one of the good ways to go.

if you don't make it as a politician, you can always be a defense lawyer.

[101A]

Everyone has just forgotten that Trump - might not even be a legitimate president. That Trumps' (pun intended) every other variable. A person - with assistance from an enemy foreign gov't - was complicit in election cyberfuckery and there is a good chance he is a fraudulent president. Just because everyone parrots the "no votes were tampered with" line - how do they know? There is no evidence they say -

but there is an ongoing investigation into other crimes surrounding this and if the Dems get Congress back - they could open a true investigation into the actual vote counting and then we will see.


On another note - how can you - with a straight face - after seeing Trumps entire campaign team and his personal lawyer and his accountant tax guy - all be guilty and/or cooperating come in here and post about weaponization of investigation when this is the ONLY campaign, the only white house administration with this level of corruption?

What about the ballot boxes in Chicago and S. Texas? Kennedy AND Johnson are frauds. Nixon - duh - fraud. Clinton's got elected with illegal Chinese money - frauds. GWB? Hanging chads and shit - Fraud.

There is more evidence for each of those than for Trump conspiring with Russia to tilt the election. Speaking of which, if Putin is such a Machiavellian that, with THAT LITTLE work, he could sway a multi-billion dollar election in the most powerful, richest country on earth, then we should just bow to our over-lord. We are out of our depth.

[101A]

Not: Investigate a person, find a crime, etc....

So entrapment/baiting (allegedly) is legit now?

[Spurs Homer]

What about the ballot boxes in Chicago and S. Texas? Kennedy AND Johnson are frauds. Nixon - duh - fraud. Clinton's got elected with illegal Chinese money - frauds. GWB? Hanging chads and shit - Fraud.

There is more evidence for each of those than for Trump conspiring with Russia to tilt the election. Speaking of which, if Putin is such a Machiavellian that, with THAT LITTLE work, he could sway a multi-billion dollar election in the most powerful, richest country on earth, then we should just bow to our over-lord. We are out of our depth.


Whataboutism

The new USA - post Trump: "It's ok - lets be corrupt because everyone else is!"

[101A]

Whataboutism

The new USA - post Trump: "It's ok - lets be corrupt because everyone else is!"

I thought you were the one justifying corruption? Only you wish it to be institutionalized and legitimized. He's corrupt, so any means necessary to take him down. What could possibly go wrong?

[boutons_deux]

The problem with Trash escaping punishment is that it tells America, in dramatic fashion, that cheating, lying, fraud, etc by the President is OK, so then it's OK for everybody else (unless you're non-white and non-male).

[Spurs Homer]

I thought you were the one justifying corruption? Only you wish it to be institutionalized and legitimized. He's corrupt, so any means necessary to take him down. What could possibly go wrong?

You got it pretty twisted.
Trump's crimes will take him down. He did it - and continues to do it to himself. The evidence will lead to the money will lead to the truth will lead to his prosecution for crimes committed.

See how this works?

[Spurs Homer]

The nation stands with Mueller and salutes his service.
Amen.

[Blake]

The nation stands with Mueller and salutes his service.
Amen.

Trump might take a knee on that one.

And not just because bone spurs

[101A]

You got it pretty twisted.
Trump's crimes will take him down. He did it - and continues to do it to himself. The evidence will lead to the money will lead to the truth will lead to his prosecution for crimes committed.

See how this works?

Can you tell me the crime that's being investigated that he's going to be charged with. If it is anything other than "Russian Collusion with the Trump campaign to sway the election", or something VERY closely related to that, then I will probably have a problem with it. Not that whatever it is won't convince me that Trump shouldn't be president - but I already think that. Of course, this kind of prosecutor behavior can be used to make us think that about anyone. That's kind of the point.

[boutons_deux]

So entrapment/baiting (allegedly) is legit now?

I bet you're OK with FBI encouraging/baiting/stinging otherwise innocent Muslims?

Who has Mueller entrapped / baited?

[clambake]

Of course, this kind of prosecutor behavior can be used to make us think that about anyone. That's kind of the point.

you mean the behavior where this prosecutor hasn't said word one? you mean prosecutor that never responds to trumps attacks?


what do you mean?

[Winehole23]

Everyone has just forgotten that Trump - might not even be a legitimate president. That Trumps' (pun intended) every other variable. A person - with assistance from an enemy foreign gov't - was complicit in election cyberfuckery and there is a good chance he is a fraudulent president. Just because everyone parrots the "no votes were tampered with" line - how do they know? There is no evidence they say -

but there is an ongoing investigation into other crimes surrounding this and if the Dems get Congress back - they could open a true investigation into the actual vote counting and then we will see.


On another note - how can you - with a straight face - after seeing Trumps entire campaign team and his personal lawyer and his accountant tax guy - all be guilty and/or cooperating come in here and post about weaponization of investigation when this is the ONLY campaign, the only white house administration with this level of corruption?I'm not carrying water for DJT or griping about this investigation. We're talking about the view from 10,000 feet.

There's nothing dissonant about saying this investigation is properly predicated, but that, in general, there might be foreseeable problems with open ended, wide ranging probes of government officials.

When the shoe's on the other foot you'll rediscover your concern about this.

[Spurs Homer]

Trump might take a knee on that one.

And not just because bone spurs

:lol

[Spurs Homer]

Can you tell me the crime that's being investigated that he's going to be charged with. If it is anything other than "Russian Collusion with the Trump campaign to sway the election", or something VERY closely related to that, then I will probably have a problem with it. Not that whatever it is won't convince me that Trump shouldn't be president - but I already think that. Of course, this kind of prosecutor behavior can be used to make us think that about anyone. That's kind of the point.

Mueller is working from the outside of the criminal circle inwards. Russian hackers> data analytics> russian bots> trump campaign associates having contacts with russians> obstruction of justice to derail the investigation>

leading to Trumps inner circle of criminals.

Conspiracy to defraud the USA - has already been tried and convicted. If Trump knew - and when he knew of it - becomes an indictment (all evidence points to him knowing and conspiring - public evidence) =
then Trump will also be in for a Conspiracy to Defraud the USA - in collusion with Russia/Putin.
Other crimes "that arise" from the investigation like:
money laundering, tax evasion, tax fraud, campaign finance felony violations, illicit payoffs, etc..
will just be a result of a careless criminal deciding to run for the highest office in the land when he knew better than anyone that he had a warehouse/closet full of bodies.

[Pavlov]

I'm not carrying water for DJT or griping about this investigation. We're talking about the view from 10,000 feet.

There's nothing dissonant about saying this investigation is properly predicated, but that, in general, there might be foreseeable problems with open ended, wide ranging probes of government officials.

When the shoe's on the other foot you'll rediscover your concern about this.It's already been on the other foot.

Multiple times.

[Pavlov]

1041323589671297024

I'm sure he didn't want Baylor to go through all the rape scandals either.

[hater]

:lmao the snowflake delusions are reaching nuclear levels :lmao

[Winehole23]

It's already been on the other foot.

Multiple times.I mentioned a couple of them. Some people seem to need reminding.

[Spurs Homer]

:lmao the snowflake delusions are reaching nuclear levels :lmao

Hey- did you wipe your feet before entering this thread?
You better respect this house of Mueller, scumbag!

[Pavlov]

I mentioned a couple of them. Some people seem to need reminding.OTOH, there's no way a Starr investigation goes on for as long as it did where it did were he Special and not Independent Counsel. That's half the reason the Independent Counsel statute was allowed to expire.

[boutons_deux]

1041323589671297024

I'm sure he didn't want Baylor to go through all the rape scandals either.

Repug Rape Caucus is sure none of the were "legitimate rape"

[101A]

I bet you're OK with FBI encouraging/baiting/stinging otherwise innocent Muslims?

Who has Mueller entrapped / baited?

What have I ever said that would make you think I am OK with that? Or guilty Muslims for that matter?

[Winehole23]

OTOH, there's no way a Starr investigation goes on for as long as it did where it did were he Special and not Independent Counsel. That's half the reason the Independent Counsel statute was allowed to expire.why not?

honest question, I'm not familiar with the respective laws.

[101A]

Mueller is working from the outside of the criminal circle inwards. Russian hackers> data analytics> russian bots> trump campaign associates having contacts with russians> obstruction of justice to derail the investigation>

leading to Trumps inner circle of criminals.

Conspiracy to defraud the USA - has already been tried and convicted. If Trump knew - and when he knew of it - becomes an indictment (all evidence points to him knowing and conspiring - public evidence) =
then Trump will also be in for a Conspiracy to Defraud the USA - in collusion with Russia/Putin.
Other crimes "that arise" from the investigation like:
money laundering, tax evasion, tax fraud, campaign finance felony violations, illicit payoffs, etc..
will just be a result of a careless criminal deciding to run for the highest office in the land when he knew better than anyone that he had a warehouse/closet full of bodies.

Let's wait until the charges he's going to bring are brought. If they have something to do with Russian Collusion then, great (although the tactic of investigating/threatening everyone around a target to oblige cooperation still has a distinctly gestapo feel to it - Dershowitz is all over the place talking about this), but if they have nothing to do with collusion and are all unrelated "hey, look what we found" revelations, then I think we are going down a road that is less free than our country purports to be. Ultimately, I'll be OK because I don't break laws. Protections are only for the criminals.

[101A]

you mean the behavior where this prosecutor hasn't said word one? you mean prosecutor that never responds to trumps attacks?


what do you mean?

I mean the behavior I talk about in the post preceding this; squeezing and threatening everyone around a target to get said target - and then "getting" that target for whatever you find. Hell, I'd much rather Trump get voted out overwhelmingly in 2020; then he doesn't get to be a martyr.

[Pavlov]

why not?

honest question, I'm not familiar with the respective laws.As I understand it, Special Counsel's investigation is directed by the AG or this time the Deputy due to recusal. The AG could only remove an Independent Counsel for "good cause" or a panel of DC Court of Appeals judges could declare the investigation finished. It's difficult to see Janet Reno's allowing Whitewater to go into blue dress territory.

[Winehole23]

Hell, I'd much rather Trump get voted out overwhelmingly in 2020; then he doesn't get to be a martyr.+1

[boutons_deux]

If enough Repugs vote to impeach/convict Trash, he won't be a martyr, except to his own ego, because other he has no cause to die for.

Of course, Trash fellators are so fucking ignorant, stupid, tribal that they would act like Trash was martyr. So fuck all those people.

[Spurs Homer]

Let's wait until the charges he's going to bring are brought. If they have something to do with Russian Collusion then, great (although the tactic of investigating/threatening everyone around a target to oblige cooperation still has a distinctly gestapo feel to it - Dershowitz is all over the place talking about this), but if they have nothing to do with collusion and are all unrelated "hey, look what we found" revelations, then I think we are going down a road that is less free than our country purports to be. Ultimately, I'll be OK because I don't break laws. Protections are only for the criminals.


How do you think every sting of organized crime is investigated (mafia)?
Exactly this way. You have reasonable proof - then nab the perimeter small time crooks and work your way inward until you get all the corroborating evidence on the boss.

Did you care about this when Ken Starr investigated Clinton for real estate Arkansas land deals - and ended up making it about blow jobs - which led Clinton to lie under oath?

It was good enough then - it is good enough now - except Trump sold out his country and then tried to cover it up. His closet full of skeletons is just collateral damage. He could have tried being honest. He could have obeyed the law. Aren't repugs furious with "illegals" who they say break the law by coming here? "Hey- what part of being here illegally don't you understand?"

So- Trump - breaks the law - nothing else matters - prosecute his orange ass.

[clambake]

I mean the behavior I talk about in the post preceding this; squeezing and threatening everyone around a target to get said target - and then "getting" that target for whatever you find. Hell, I'd much rather Trump get voted out overwhelmingly in 2020; then he doesn't get to be a martyr.

maybe they're really shitty criminals and the instant bob started digging, the floodgates open.

but you don't think prosecuting criminals is a good idea? not this time?



ive said from the beginning, follow the money.

[clambake]

you see, you can't launder money without help.

[Winehole23]

As I understand it, Special Counsel's investigation is directed by the AG or this time the Deputy due to recusal. The AG could only remove an Independent Counsel for "good cause" or a panel of DC Court of Appeals judges could declare the investigation finished. It's difficult to see Janet Reno's allowing Whitewater to go into blue dress territory.thanks

[Spurs Homer]

Just paying my respects to the Great Mueller.

:worthy:

[Spurs Homer]

In San Antonio and everywhere else- abuelitas are lighting candles in honor of the great Mueller.
Respect.

[LkrFan]

1060655868260352005

[Spurs Homer]

1060655868260352005


:worthy:

[djohn2oo8]

This thread shall live on with much appreciation

[Nbadan]

Schiff has a woody for Trump

Evidence in plain sight' of Trump collusion with Russia, Schiff says
Source: Politico
By PATRICK TEMPLE-WEST 02/17/2019 10:55 AM EST

-snip-


In an interview on CNN, Schiff rejected Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr’s statements from earlier this month, in which Burr said evidence shows no collusion by the Trump campaign and Russia.

“Chairman Burr must have a different word for it,” Schiff told host Dana Bash on “State of the Union,” pointing to communications between Russia and Donald Trump Jr. and former Trump aides George Papadopoulos and Michael Flynn.

“You can see evidence in plain sight on the issue of collusion, pretty compelling evidence,” Schiff said, adding, “There is a difference between seeing evidence of collusion and being able to prove a criminal conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Schiff said special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on potential Russian government meddling in the 2016 election might not be the final word on the matter.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/17/trump-russia-collusion-adam-schiff-1173434

[Spurs Homer]

Respect

[Winehole23]

This thread shall live on with much appreciationBy the other side.

Until people read it, or read the redacted version.

Then the lit crit starts all over again.

[hater]

Respect

:lmao

[DMC]

:lmao

:lol

[TSA]

Mueller is working from the outside of the criminal circle inwards. Russian hackers> data analytics> russian bots> trump campaign associates having contacts with russians> obstruction of justice to derail the investigation>

:lol tell us more

[Spurs Homer]

Traitors thinking russia won

without seeing the report lol

[TSA]

Traitors thinking russia won

without seeing the report lol

Did Mueller indict a single American for colluding with Russia? Yes or no.

[Spurs Homer]

Did Mueller indict a single American for colluding with Russia? Yes or no.

has the report been released yet?

yes or no?

[TSA]

has the report been released yet?

yes or no?

No.

Don’t be a bitch and dodge again. Did Mueller indict a single American for colluding with Russia? Yes or no.

[Spurs Homer]

No.

Don’t be a bitch and dodge again. Did Mueller indict a single American for colluding with Russia? Yes or no.

Yes and No

Flynn, Manafort & Gates, Stone - all were colluding -
but Mueller is using them to branch out his investigations into other jurisdictions...

So they colluded/conspired but Mueller allowed SDNY and others to take the reins on their cooperation into other areas -

This is far from over and will end up for you the way it always has - embarrassingly.

Do you think that Stone conspiring with Wikileaks, Cohen working on a Trump tower deal, Manafort delivering polling data - will all just disappear into a cloud of dust? Never to be legally resolved?

[TSA]

Why would Mueller branch out collusion cases to other jurisdictions?

[Chris]

"Mueller's gambit" :lol

[Spurtacular]

Chumpettes on suicide watch.

[Nbadan]

Don’t be a bitch and dodge again. Did Mueller indict a single American for colluding with Russia? Yes or no.

Ummm.....Only because Roger Stone lied about WikiLeaks...