Rodgers > Brady for GOAT status

[Millennial_Messiah]

Rodgers don't cheat.

Rodgers is more clutch.

Rodgers didn't get carried to 3 championships by an all-world defense early in his career. He won one in his 20s with his arm, though.

Whenever the Packers lose, it's because his defense sucks. Would have won his second ring in 14-15 if not for an incredibly fluky onside kick recovery botched by a 3rd string tight end.

The offense is always humming. Even played well against Seattle.

Rodgers can pocket pass, scramble pass, or run with his legs. Brady can only pocket pass.

Rodgers has 5 hail mary TD's in his career.

Oh, and Rodgers didn't drop a sure touchdown in the Super Bowl which would have been the difference... especially when the other team's pocket QB caught one in the same quarter, no less.

Rodgers's coach is a trashy big old hillbilly, and keeps his job only because of Rodgers. Brady's coach is a cheater, but he's also the Sith Lord of football.

Rodgers is simply the better player.

[FrostKing]

I mean I would personally put some of Steve Young or Brett Farve's individual seasons above Joe Montana's but Joe had the superior career. Feel this also applies to Brady & Rodgers. 2007 Brady though...

[Clipper Nation]

I don't like Brady either, but blaming him for dropping a pass is retarded. He's a slow, 41-year-old QB, not a wide receiver. It was a dumb playcall to begin with.

But yes, Rodgers is simply better. He might be the closest thing we've seen to the perfect QB.

[Monostradamus]

2014-2016 Brady was better than 2007 Brady. 2007 Brady got bailed out by Moss a ton, couldn’t handle pass rush up the middle, actually had a weaker arm (or at least terrible form on deep throws leading to shitty foating ducks), targeted Welker way too much, and didn’t throw as tight a spiral.

[Monostradamus]

Rodgers don't cheat.

Rodgers is more clutch.

Rodgers didn't get carried to 3 championships by an all-world defense early in his career. He won one in his 20s with his arm, though.

Whenever the Packers lose, it's because his defense sucks. Would have won his second ring in 14-15 if not for an incredibly fluky onside kick recovery botched by a 3rd string tight end.

The offense is always humming. Even played well against Seattle.

Rodgers can pocket pass, scramble pass, or run with his legs. Brady can only pocket pass.

Rodgers has 5 hail mary TD's in his career.

Oh, and Rodgers didn't drop a sure touchdown in the Super Bowl which would have been the difference... especially when the other team's pocket QB caught one in the same quarter, no less.

Rodgers's coach is a trashy big old hillbilly, and keeps his job only because of Rodgers. Brady's coach is a cheater, but he's also the Sith Lord of football.

Rodgers is simply the better player.
Brady didn’t drop a sure TD you dumbshit :lmao unless you think he was gonna outrun everybody for 40 more yards.

[Monostradamus]

Oh, and of course, 5 to 1 :lmao

[Brutal]

Aaron Rodgers number one, not really debatable.

[Clipper Nation]

Aaron Rodgers number one, not really debatable.

:lol Avante's already back with a new account, I see. That didn't take long.

[AlexJones]

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
4. Dan Marino
5. Joe Montana
6. Drew Brees
7. Big Ben

[HarlemHeat37]

Brady has the best resume in history, doubt anybody will ever surpass him, although Montana is debatable..

In terms of raw talent, it's a different list..Rodgers is probably #1 if we're talking ability to make throws that nobody else can + mobility, etc..

[Brutal]

Brady has the best resume in history, doubt anybody will ever surpass him, although Montana is debatable..

In terms of raw talent, it's a different list..Rodgers is probably #1 if we're talking ability to make throws that nobody else can + mobility, etc..

This

[Will Hunting]

The “but Brady got carried by his defense!” argument loses its weight here when Rodgers’ one SB came with the 2nd best defense in the NFL that gave up 15 PPG. Any notion that Rodgers carried a mediocre or shitty defense to a Superbowl is retarded, that defense was every bit as good as the defenses Brady had in the early 2000s.

Still not quite as stupid as when people try to make the argument with Manning though when his two superbowls came with shitty QB play that was bailed out by great defense.

[Monostradamus]

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[Monostradamus]

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[Monostradamus]

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[Millennial_Messiah]

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
4. Dan Marino
5. Joe Montana
6. Drew Brees
7. Big Ben

Montana didn't lose in the SB, nor did he cheat like Tampon Tom... Big Ben ranked way too high, another one carried by great defenses... Mahomes could be top 10 when it's all said and done with the pace he's going on.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The “but Brady got carried by his defense!” argument loses its weight here when Rodgers’ one SB came with the 2nd best defense in the NFL that gave up 15 PPG. Any notion that Rodgers carried a mediocre or shitty defense to a Superbowl is retarded, that defense was every bit as good as the defenses Brady had in the early 2000s.

Still not quite as stupid as when people try to make the argument with Manning though when his two superbowls came with shitty QB play that was bailed out by great defense.
That 2010 GB defense wasn't ranked very high in terms of yardage, though. They were "bend but don't break".

[Will Hunting]

That 2010 GB defense wasn't ranked very high in terms of yardage, though. They were "bend but don't break".
Who gives a fuck? They were elite in terms of points given up which is what matters.

[Kyle Orton]

:lol muh yardage

when’s the last time the scoreboard has shown yardage instead of points tbh

[Silver&Black]

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
4. Dan Marino
5. Joe Montana
6. Drew Brees
7. Big Ben

:lol Peyton

If you think Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady, there is no helping you. All your football takes should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Clipper Nation]

How people are still overrating the queen of one-and-dones is beyond me.

[HarlemHeat37]

GB's 2010 defense was elite and loaded with talent(Woodson, Nick Collins, Clay Matthews when he was actually good, Cullen Jenkins and BJ Raji at their peaks, etc)..that run bought Dom Capers and McCarthy an eternity when they should have been fired years ago:lol

Most QB success is based on their defense and scheme, tbh.. receiving talent is very overrated, as well, most elite QBs don't actually need them to win..even a mediocre or even worse oline can be masked by the most intelligent QBs..it's too difficult to overcome a terrible scheme, though..

[leemajors]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znm-WE30Vu8

[Brutal]

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Tom Brady
4. Dan Marino
5. Joe Montana
6. Drew Brees
7. Big Ben

In my opinion.

1.Aaron Rodgers
2.Tom Brady
3.Joe Montana
4.Peyton Manning
5.Drew Brees
6.Dan Marino
7.John Elway
8.Big Ben
9.Brett Favre
10.Philip Rivers

The old timers played a different game, really don't belong.

[spurraider21]

In my opinion.

1.Aaron Rodgers
2.Tom Brady
3.Joe Montana
4.Peyton Manning
5.Drew Brees
6.Dan Marino
7.John Elway
8.Big Ben
9.Brett Favre
10.Philip Rivers

The old timers played a different game, really don't belong.
:lmao avante

gets banned and can't stay away

[Clipper Nation]

:lol You just know he really wanted to rank Struggle Wilson #1, but it would have been too obvious.

[Monostradamus]

In my opinion.

1.Aaron Rodgers
2.Tom Brady
3.Joe Montana
4.Peyton Manning
5.Drew Brees
6.Dan Marino
7.John Elway
8.Big Ben
9.Brett Favre
10.Philip Rivers

The old timers played a different game, really don't belong.

sheesh, you really don’t know shit about football, do ya little guy~~~

[johnsmith]

In my opinion.

1.Aaron Rodgers
2.Tom Brady
3.Joe Montana
4.Peyton Manning
5.Drew Brees
6.Dan Marino
7.John Elway
8.Big Ben
9.Brett Favre
10.Philip Rivers

The old timers played a different game, really don't belong.

Bruh, this is pathetic.

[johnsmith]

sheesh, you really don’t know shit about football, do ya little guy~~~

Lol!!!

[Mitch]

Andrew with the legendary bads par the course :lol

Brady won in two different eras multiple times.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Brady got bailed out 5 out of 5 times...

The first 3 rings - all the defense and special teams... one year they would have lost if not for a stupid rule that has long been overturned... they also won that game on a first possession OT field goal, which has been overturned by the league as well in 2011.

2014 - Brady was solid, but let's not act like Darrell Bevell and Co. didn't take Seattle's 2nd straight title from the jaws of victory.

2016 - Brady wasn't even that good most of the game. Threw a crushing pick 6 which would have been ball game against most teams. Sure, his stats were great in the 4th quarter, but he shouldn't have even had that kind of chance. The Falcons' HC and OC flat out blew it multiple times.


Rodgers? 1/1. 2010 - Defeated Big Ben in a shootout when Big Ben was good and the Steelers' defense was still quite good.

Foles? Definitely 1/1. Took town Tommy boy in a shootout. You can argue Brandon Graham's play, but the Pats weren't in scoring position yet, and let's not act like the Eagles defense did a damn thing before that.

Peyton Manning? 1/2. 2006 - Yes, Colts defense was average at best, and the Bears had a monster defense. 2015 - Definitely NO.

Eli Manning? I'll also give him 1/2.

2007 - no... he had a few moments, but most of his best moments were chucking 50/50 balls downfield and the receiver making a miracle catch. The defense, especially the pass rush, was legendary.

2011 - yes... this time, he was the difference in the final drive to beat NE, orchestrating and making beautiful throws, and the defense wasn't nearly as good as the 2007 version. He also had taken down a 15-1 Rodgers in a shootout earlier in the playoffs.

[Clipper Nation]

2014 - Brady was solid, but let's not act like Struggle Wilson didn't take Seattle's 2nd straight title from the jaws of victory.

FIFY

[Millennial_Messiah]

FIFY

Wilson didn't change the play at the LOS -- Carroll confirmed that one came from upstairs. The idea was to run on 3rd down if it didn't work, and if they didn't punch it in they could still call timeout and decide what to do on 4th.

I'm still heartbroken over that one.

[Clipper Nation]

Peyton Manning? 1/2. 2006 - Yes, Colts defense was average at best, and the Bears had a monster defense.

:lol That's a joke, right? The 2006 Colts' defense held its opponents to only 16.3 PPG in the playoffs while Peyton put up a putrid TD-INT ratio and the worst playoff passer rating of any Super Bowl winning QB. He was 100% carried that season.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol That's a joke, right? The 2006 Colts' defense held its opponents to only 16.3 PPG in the playoffs while Peyton put up a putrid TD-INT ratio and the worst playoff passer rating of any Super Bowl winning QB. He was 100% carried that season.

PPG is a terrible stat to measure defenses, tbh... Addai was pretty awesome w/ball control, but he was definitely not carried...

[spurraider21]

The first 3 rings - all the defense and special teams... one year they would have lost if not for a stupid rule that has long been overturned
rule aside, it wasn't even a tuck.

yes the rule was stupid but they fucked up the call on top of it

but brady is the goat. ive seen him do it way too many times to harp on one or two moments. i mean, they're a tyree catch and edelman drop away from 2 more SB's and it really works both ways. they also would have been heavy favorites in 08 and still won 11 games with cassel. imagine brady was there....

[BD24]

As a Packers fan I have trouble putting Rodgers above Brady. The ring count makes it pretty difficult. In a vacuum Rodgers is probably the better more talented guy, but we can’t play the the what if game.

Brady 5
Rodgers just the 1

[spurraider21]

As a Packers fan I have trouble putting Rodgers above Brady. The ring count makes it pretty difficult. In a vacuum Rodgers is probably the better more talented guy, but we can’t play the the what if game.

Brady 5
Rodgers just the 1
yeah... GOAT rankings need to be a combination of talent and resume

[Millennial_Messiah]

rule aside, it wasn't even a tuck.

yes the rule was stupid but they fucked up the call on top of it

but brady is the goat. ive seen him do it way too many times to harp on one or two moments. i mean, they're a tyree catch and edelman drop away from 2 more SB's and it really works both ways. they also would have been heavy favorites in 08 and still won 11 games with cassel. imagine brady was there....
Welker dropped it in '11, not Edelman. Edelman was playing backup slot corner/gadget receiver that year.

The Cassel 11-5 year just furthers the pro-Belichick SysTom argument, IMO.

[Millennial_Messiah]

As a Packers fan I have trouble putting Rodgers above Brady. The ring count makes it pretty difficult. In a vacuum Rodgers is probably the better more talented guy, but we can’t play the the what if game.

Brady 5
Rodgers just the 1
While the Pats haven't had much in defensive talent since around 2009, they still have a defensive guru in Belichick... the Packers have had next to nothing on defense, both on and off the field, throughout Rodgers' era.

exhibit A: today: 34 year old Adrian Peterson has almost 90 yards and 2 touchdowns in 1 half against that tragic defense. Redskins have 28 points at halftime. Sheesh.

& don't forget how they gave up 200 rushing yards to Krapernick in the playoffs two years in a row

[Pelicans78]

Rodgers ain’t even better than Brees.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Rodgers ain’t even better than Brees.

do you really believe that?

No shame in losing to FitzMAGIC, but the offense was terrible against a poor Browns defense, and they almost lost at home to Tyrod Fucking Taylor.....

[Pelicans78]

do you really believe that?

No shame in losing to FitzMAGIC, but the offense was terrible against a poor Browns defense, and they almost lost at home to Tyrod Fucking Taylor.....

What does one game have to do anything? And Brees wasn’t even in that bad against Cleveland and he’s been flawless against Tampa and Atlanta.

But I’m talking about career wise. Brees has been better.

[Bill_Brasky]

Doesn't matter, because Mahomes is gonna smoke all these scrubs.

[Killakobe81]

What does one game have to do anything? And Brees wasn’t even in that bad against Cleveland and he’s been flawless against Tampa and Atlanta.

But I’m talking about career wise. Brees has been better.

brees is amazingly consistent and pretty damn great and has the better resume,but Rodgers at his best is better than Brees better than Brady.
but uf you stacking careers, of course, Bress is more accomplished.

[BD24]

What does one game have to do anything? And Brees wasn’t even in that bad against Cleveland and he’s been flawless against Tampa and Atlanta.

But I’m talking about career wise. Brees has been better.
Take off your black and gold glasses. Of course his career numbers are higher, he has been in the league longer. Your out of your fucking mind though if you think Brees will finish ahead of Rodgers on any all time list outside the city of New Orleans tbh.

[Pelicans78]

Take off your black and gold glasses. Of course his career numbers are higher, he has been in the league longer. Your out of your fucking mind though if you think Brees will finish ahead of Rodgers on any all time list outside the city of New Orleans tbh.

Rodgers won’t be durable enough long-term to catch Brees. Pretty much has an injury every year. And Brees has had even less to work with than Rodgers who has choked numerous times at home in the playoffs while Brees routinely carved up top defenses on the road in playoff games only to have his defense blow it.

[Clipper Nation]

Brees routinely carved up top defenses on the road in playoff games only to have his defense blow it.

:lol This literally sounds like a synopsis of Rodgers' career.

[Bill_Brasky]

:lol This literally sounds like a synopsis of Rodgers' career.

Godgers

09- loss to Zona in the WC
10- SB
11- loss to Giants, divisional
12- loss to kaepernick in divisional
13- loss to kaepernick in WC
14- chokes to the Seahawks(Dez caught it), NFCCG
15- loses to the Cardinlols again in divisional
16- actually a good year, but loses to the choker Falcons in the NFCCG
17- no playoffs, injured

Breesus

06- loss to Bears, NFCCG
07- missed POs
08- missed POs
09- wins SB
10- loss to Seattle, WC
11- lose to Niners in divisional
12- miss POs
13- lose to Seattle in divisional
14- missed POs
15- missed POs
16- missed POs
17- lose in divisional to Minny

Honestly, my real question is how does everyone shit on McCarthy endlessly but Payton gets a pass?

[BD24]

Rodgers won’t be durable enough long-term to catch Brees. Pretty much has an injury every year. And Brees has had even less to work with than Rodgers who has choked numerous times at home in the playoffs while Brees routinely carved up top defenses on the road in playoff games only to have his defense blow it.
Choked in the playoffs as opposed to missing the playoffs 6 fucking times since 06 :lol
The only year I will somewhat put on Rodgers was NFC championship against Seattle, the biggest issue there was fat fucks terrible second half playcalling though tbh.
Rodgers has missed the playoff 1 fucking time, his first year starting.

Rodgers Peak is better, Rodgers averages across his career are better, just stop.

More with less is a joke, you have seen how pathetic the Packers were both times Rodgers went down for long durations of time right?

Will let you live in your fantasy land where Brees is somehow better though.

[Darth_Pelican]

Take off your black and gold glasses. Of course his career numbers are higher, he has been in the league longer. Your out of your fucking mind though if you think Brees will finish ahead of Rodgers on any all time list outside the city of New Orleans tbh.

This whole argument is subjective. Brees will finish his career with the most passing yards and the most passing touchdowns in the history of the NFL . The only person that might surpass him in those categories is Brady, but it will be close. Rodgers will not catch either of them. When you look at their ages and statistics, that's a fact. Rodgers would have to average 6,500 passing yards per season over the next 5 years to be where Brees is at his age. That isn't possible.

However, Rodgers is the most GIFTED QB that I've ever seen, but he isn't more accomplished than Brees. Brees holds more single season passing records and more career passing records than anyone, including him. If you want to start talking wins and losses, those are team accomplishments. Brees and Rodgers have certainly done their parts at their positions to make their teams as good as they can be. If you had to give me one QB in their prime to go out there and win me a game, I'm taking Rodgers. He's a freak. If I'm comparing careers, Brees will crush Rodgers in more categories than Rodgers will crush him unless Rodgers puts up incomprehensible stats from the ages of 34-39.

Choosing which one you think is better really depends on your criteria.

[Will Hunting]

The Cassel 11-5 year just furthers the pro-Belichick SysTom argument, IMO.
Yeah, Cassel going 11-5 and missing the playoffs with the same fucking team that Brady went 16-0 with and was a fluky catch away from going 19-0 with clearly means it’s all Belichick with no drop off at all between Brady and his backups.

[Pelicans78]

Yeah, Cassel going 11-5 and missing the playoffs with the same fucking team that Brady went 16-0 with and was a fluky catch away from going 19-0 with clearly means it’s all Belichick with no drop off at all between Brady and his backups.

People forget Belicheck was 5–13 before Mo Lewis blasted Drew Bledsoe into oblivion.

[Silver&Black]

:lmao

[Will Hunting]

:lmao
I’m just glad the Patriots are the team he hates :lol

[Silver&Black]

I’m just glad the Patriots are the team he hates :lol

This was a monumental jinx in ST history. Brady goes on to win another SB and cement his GOAT status, and Rodgers goes on to have the worst year of his career.

Truly spectacular stuff tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

This was a monumental jinx in ST history. Brady goes on to win another SB and cement his GOAT status, and Rodgers goes on to have the worst year of his career.

Truly spectacular stuff tbh.

TBH... if you've seen my posts over the years, not necessarily in 2018, but other years... you'll find that I hate Rodgers more than Brady. Brady is a cheater but a likeable family guy, Rodgers is a soulless smugface who waffles on stuff like politics, though I do like Danica Patrick and hate that commie chink Olivia Munn... I'm honestly glad Rodgers is gonna retire with 1 shitty ring unless he leaves to go bandwagon somewhere...

[HarlemHeat37]

Brady's career would have been entirely different if the Messiah had chosen the Patriots as his favorite team 18 years ago:lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Brady's career would have been entirely different if the Messiah had chosen the Patriots as his favorite team 18 years ago:lol

It was my grandmother's favorite team after it was first reported that Brady/Belichick were "alleged" Republicans, tbh.


My grandmother died fairly suddenly this past November, so this one was for her, tbh... her favorite sports team since she started hating Poop for being a libtard.

[BD24]

Fuck you Andy, I hope you guys get four fucking truckloads of pillows and candles in tomorrow

[Will Hunting]

Fuck you Andy, I hope you guys get four fucking truckloads of pillows and candles in tomorrow
:lmao:lmao literally cracked up

[Mitch]

:lol Andy
:lol money making season
:lol 12.75 /hr

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol Andy
:lol money making season
:lol 12.75 /hr
Try $4k/paycheck after taxes.

[Millennial_Messiah]

as much as I hate the Steelers, I wish they had won in 2010 so Smugface would be ringless like he deserves, tbh.

[Mitch]

Try $4k/paycheck after taxes.

Not even if you owned the bed bath and beyond you worked at :lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

Not even if you owned the bed bath and beyond you worked at :lmao
I don't work shitty retail jobs like that, nor do I live or work all the way up in Denton. Try harder.

[Mitch]

I don't work shitty retail jobs like that, nor do I live or work all the way up in Denton. Try harder.

The proof is there, Andy. :lol

[BD24]

:lol Andy
:lol money making season
:lol 12.75 /hr
He recently got promoted to replenishment lead, which came with a pay bump to 14 hourly. Plus he gets some overtime as well.

Safe to say Andy is making bank. Give him a few years and he will be the assistant manager. Yep, that kid is going places

[Will Hunting]

:lmao Andy pretending he’s always viewed Rodgers as a choker

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao Andy pretending he’s always viewed Rodgers as a choker

:lol Dallas-based Boston sports fan not getting the joke.

Brady > Manning > Brees > Wilson > Rodgers, forever and always

[Arcadian]

What happened in September 2018 to inspire this thread?

[Will Hunting]

What happened in September 2018 to inspire this thread?
Rodgers probably had a great comeback win against the Lions.

[Will Hunting]

:lol Dallas-based Boston sports fan not getting the joke.

Brady > Manning > Brees > Wilson > Rodgers, forever and always
I don’t live in Dallas fucknuts. In DC for the next year and then likely transferring to my company’s Boston office.

[DAF86]

What happened in September 2018 to inspire this thread?

Brady embarrassed himself trying to catch a pass in the superbowl.

[spurraider21]

brady being the superior player despite being less talented shouldn't be all that controversial. we see that in all kinds of sports. duncan was far from the most talented PF the league had ever seen, but is undoubtedly the best. rodger's arm talent and mobility lets him do some things that brady cant, and some of rodgers' biggest moments are a result of his absurd arm. but he never put it together as consistently as brady. making 9-10 consecutive smart, accurate throws trumps making 3-4 jaw-dropping throws followed by taking some bad sacks and missed opportunities

[Arcadian]

brady being the superior player despite being less talented shouldn't be all that controversial. we see that in all kinds of sports. duncan was far from the most talented PF the league had ever seen, but is undoubtedly the best. rodger's arm talent and mobility lets him do some things that brady cant, and some of rodgers' biggest moments are a result of his absurd arm. but he never put it together as consistently as brady. making 9-10 consecutive smart, accurate throws trumps making 3-4 jaw-dropping throws followed by taking some bad sacks and missed opportunities
One could argue that intelligence/accuracy is itself a talent. I'm not a fan of the talent/greatness distinction, because whatever variables make someone the "best" can also be considered talents.

[spurraider21]

One could argue that intelligence/accuracy is itself a talent. I'm not a fan of the talent/greatness distinction, because whatever variables make someone the "best" can also be considered talents.
true, and it depends on how you define talent. i usually look at physical traits that cant be significantly altered. yes, qb's can gain some arm strength with training, but a lot of it is deemed natural based on factors beyond your control like hand size, or other attributes to your muscle/tendon structure.

so things like arm strength/mobility, athleticism are what i usually refer to. any easy example in basketball is russell westbrook.

[DAF86]

true, and it depends on how you define talent. i usually look at physical traits that cant be significantly altered. yes, qb's can gain some arm strength with training, but a lot of it is deemed natural based on factors beyond your control like hand size, or other attributes to your muscle/tendon structure.

so things like arm strength/mobility, athleticism are what i usually refer to. any easy example in basketball is russell westbrook.

One thing I noticed over the years is that US sports fans tend to relate "talent" more to athletic traits than actual skills.

That's why a guy like Westbrook is considered more "talented" than a guy that doesn't jump as high or run as fast but can pretty much do anything else better.

[spurraider21]

One thing I noticed over the years is that US sports fans tend to relate "talent" more to athletic traits than actual skills.

That's why a guy like Westbrook is considered more "talented" than a guy that doesn't jump as high or run as fast but can pretty much do anything else better.
its an arbitrary term... but those are the two things i distinguish, skill from what i call "talent"

its an imperfect system (i dont consider gerald green an elite talent)

[Mark Celibate]

One thing I noticed over the years is that US sports fans tend to relate "talent" more to athletic traits than actual skills.

That's why a guy like Westbrook is considered more "talented" than a guy that doesn't jump as high or run as fast but can pretty much do anything else better.

It's a combination of both. Talent is basically the measure of a natural aptitude/potential to be good at something. Athleticism is a factor into that equation for obvious reasons, but so is skill-level. But what makes someone the "best" is the consistency. For example, guys like JR Smith, Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay, etc. you would call "talented" because they have both the physical ability and skillset to take over a game every once in awhile. But the Kobe Bryants and Kevin Durants of the world can do it on a nightly basis

[DAF86]

its an arbitrary term... but those are the two things i distinguish, skill from what i call "talent"

its an imperfect system (i dont consider gerald green an elite talent)

Maybe not as an "elite talent" but many regard him as a "wasted talent" just because he can jump and run.

[Millennial_Messiah]

brady being the superior player despite being less talented shouldn't be all that controversial. we see that in all kinds of sports. duncan was far from the most talented PF the league had ever seen, but is undoubtedly the best. rodger's arm talent and mobility lets him do some things that brady cant, and some of rodgers' biggest moments are a result of his absurd arm. but he never put it together as consistently as brady. making 9-10 consecutive smart, accurate throws trumps making 3-4 jaw-dropping throws followed by taking some bad sacks and missed opportunities

In the first quarter of last night's championship game, he missed 2 golden opportunities that may have changed the game entirely. Both on 3rd down. First with the score 0-0 from near midfield, he missed a wide open Jimmy Graham up the middle which would have been an 8-10 yard gain and an easy first down, instead throwing to the back in the flat who immediately got stopped and they had to punt. The second time they were down 0-7 but driving and it was 3rd and medium and he missed the back running a slant and open for the first down but instead chose to hold it too long and took the sack and they had to punt again.

[DAF86]

It's a combination of both. Talent is basically the measure of a natural aptitude/potential to be good at something. Athleticism is a factor into that equation for obvious reasons, but so is skill-level. But what makes someone the "best" is the consistency. For example, guys like JR Smith, Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay, etc. you would call "talented" because they have both the physical ability and skillset to take over a game every once in awhile. But the Kobe Bryants and Kevin Durants of the world can do it on a nightly basis

Yeah, I totally agree. And that's something I learned following US sports. Just as US fans tend to overvalue athletic traits, the rest of the World underates them.

This is clearly a soccer thing where the "talented guys" are the ones that can do things with the ball that the others can't, no matter if they are fast or not; while the role players are the ones that run, jump and push people around. As if a player didn't need athleticism to do those things with the ball that others can't.

[DAF86]

In the first quarter of last night's championship game, he missed 2 golden opportunities that may have changed the game entirely. Both on 3rd down. First with the score 0-0 from near midfield, he missed a wide open Jimmy Graham up the middle which would have been an 8-10 yard gain and an easy first down, instead throwing to the back in the flat who immediately got stopped and they had to punt. The second time they were down 0-7 but driving and it was 3rd and medium and he missed the back running a slant and open for the first down but instead chose to hold it too long and took the sack and they had to punt again.

That's the biggest issue I have with Rodgers from all the games I've seen of him: many times he tends to keep the ball longer than needed.

The two greats of our generation, Brady and Manning, never held to the ball for more than they needed. If they got sacked it was because there was no escaping that sack.

Funnily enough, this holding of the ball is probably what awed so people during his prime when he could get away with it. Just like Mahomes is doing now.

[Millennial_Messiah]

That's the biggest issue I have with Rodgers from all the games I've seen of him: many times he tends to keep the ball longer than needed.

The two greats of our generation, Brady and Manning, never held to the ball for more than they needed. If they got sacked it was because there was no escaping that sack.

Funnily enough, this holding of the ball is probably what awed so people during his prime when he could get away with it. Just like Mahomes is doing now.
& they weren't fast or agile enough to get out of it

[LeGiannis]

Fun Fact of The Day: The GOAT Aaron Rodgers is 1-3 against Colin Kaepernick in his career.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Fun Fact of The Day: The GOAT Aaron Rodgers is 1-3 against Colin Kaepernick in his career.

1-4

and the "1" was in 2015 when SF was in complete rebuild mode.

[LeGiannis]

1-4

and the "1" was in 2015 when SF was in complete rebuild mode.

Kaepernick's big contract was primarily a product of his performances against Green Bay. Kaep would be a nobody without the Packers lol.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Kaepernick's big contract was primarily a product of his performances against Green Bay. Kaep would be a nobody without the Packers lol.

Kaepernick was a quality dual threat QB, basically a poor man's Mahomes of today, but his ego, bad attitude and shitty viewpoints got squarely in the way.

The 49ers success was largely due to the great OLine (with the same left tackle as now), Gore, DLine and LBs. Kaep did his part for sure, but he had a lot of help.

[FrostKing]

Kaepernick was a quality dual threat QB, basically a poor man's Mahomes of today, but his ego, bad attitude and shitty viewpoints got squarely in the way.

The 49ers success was largely due to the great OLine (with the same left tackle as now), Gore, DLine and LBs. Kaep did his part for sure, but he had a lot of help.
He struggled with accuracy especially short routes which is so important in today's NFL

2013 divisional road win @ Carolina was a strong victory. He played well.

[Isitjustme?]

This article makes a pretty good pro-Rodgers case (https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/4/30/22412383/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-trade-buzz-nfl-draft).

Bullet points:

*Packers supposedly promised to trade him this offseason (doubt it tbh but huge if true)

*Love only offensive player they have drafted in round 1 since 2012 (lol didnt realize that. embarrassing for their FO)

*Bucs drafted two impact rookies in the first two rounds who helped them all year including against us. Meanwhile Packers drafted two third stringers.

*Kevin King was atrocious in NFC champ game and even if ur not drafting receiver in R1 could have picked anyone to do better (the anyone part i added cuz he sucked a huge fat one in that game). They drafted Stokes this year but unfortunately he is unable to play in the 2020 NFC Championship game at this point.

*They went for a field goal on third down (still can't believe it)

*Didnt tell Rodgers the third down was their last play and would kick next play (meh)

*Whereas Rodgers was expected to be #1 overall pick in 2005 so getting him at 24 was almost a can't pass up this star potential deal not someone they sought out in 2020 they traded up for Love who was a second round pick to most so they went out of their way to get his replacement.

*Kept McCarthy as coach too long (agreed 100%)

*They went for a field goal on third down (really still can't believe it)

*When Bucs got Brady immediately went crazy adding talent around him (AB, Gronk, first round left tackle, etc) even though already had playmakers on the roster in Goodwin and Evans as opposed to lack of urgency by GB in maxing Rodgers later years.

*Entering a staring contest with a guy who cut off his parents and returned the christmas gifts they sent him unopened not bright.

*They went for a field goal on third down (really, really, really still can't believe it).

[Isitjustme?]

Also, disappointed a thread with this derped of a title was not bumped after this year's NFC Championship game (lol OP)

[MultiTroll]

Terrah Bradshaw doing the self aggrandize with his spouting what a brave, uncomplaining soul he was when Pittsburg and Chuck Knoll began drafting to replace him.

Yahoo sports or one of the sites did a "What really happened?" recall. Bradshaw was indeed much more of a bitch then Rodgers is being. Albeit Bradshaw did not say trade me.

[MultiTroll]

*They went for a field goal on third down (really, really, really still can't believe it).
All good points on your post. But the field goal and the defense final play before halftime.
I mean FFS that is making your QBs job so much more difficult.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_qCeh4aA0