Should Christine Blasey Ford Be Prosecuted?

[General Virtue]

I was talking to someone off ST who was adamant that she should be prosecuted for her false accusations, else a message will be sent that this is acceptable behavior....

[Mikeanaro]

Absolutely, its a very bad message for little children.

[boutons_deux]

Where's the proof, not your wishful woman-hating fantasies, that she was lying?

We have lots of proof that K is serial liar under oath to Congress.

[baseline bum]

Also all those little girls in Etowah County

[SnakeBoy]

No. That avanneti chick yes.

[Pavlov]

lol derp alts

[cd98]

Her story is such that it can’t be proved or disproved. There is no evidence other than Ford’s word that it happened, but there is no evidence that disproves the allegation either. At best, Kavenaugh could sue for defamation but that is unlikely. The last thing he wants is to keep this in the news. I think Ford’s done with it too. She probably didn’t like being a pawn.

[Spurs Homer]

Yes

I am waiting for Kavanaugh to file charges for false statements and proceed with Dr. Ford's prosecution so the country can get to the bottom of this.

I'm betting Kavanaugh will follow through the same way that Trump did when he promised to sue all the false allegations against him.

[Pavlov]

Nobody would want anything to do with det discovery phase.

[DMX7]

Yes

I am waiting for Kavanaugh to file charges for false statements and proceed with Dr. Ford's prosecution so the country can get to the bottom of this.

I'm betting Kavanaugh will follow through the same way that Trump did when he promised to sue all the false allegations against him.

She's taken a lie detector test. Will Kav?

[ducks]

I was talking to someone off ST who was adamant that she should be prosecuted for her false accusations, else a message will be sent that this is acceptable behavior....

yes

[pgardn]

yes

Sure.

Lets look further into it. And then when it fails, K is back in the news and maybe in court.
Go for it.

[DMC]

She cannot be prosecuted unless she admitted it was false. What's left of her career will be worse off than what's left of his. Neither will suffer much.

[Spurs Homer]

She cannot be prosecuted unless she admitted it was false. What's left of her career will be worse off than what's left of his. Neither will suffer much.


Or unless she is caught fabricating - making false statements. She could deny it - but if a smoking gun was found she could then be prosecuted - whether she admitted it or not.
On the other hand - the truth might also be found the further someone digs - and it could then be your boy that could be prosecuted.

But I would bet my life that Rapey Brett will never try to go after her. He does not want to find the truth.

[Spurs Homer]

She's taken a lie detector test. Will Kav?

Nope.Never.

[CitizenDwayne]

She's taken a lie detector test. Will Kav?

[ducks]

Ford said things that never were true and went to congress

Ford was coached with the polograph test and could not even rember when she took it and when her grandmas funeral was fucking months ago

[Spurtacular]

Here's three of her lies.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/10/the_three_lies_of_christine_blasey_ford.html

[DMC]

It's over. Let it go.

[Chris]

Nobody would want anything to do with det discovery phase.

What's your conspiracy theory here?

[Pavlov]

What's your conspiracy theory here?There is none.

It's my opinion nobody would want to go through det discovery phase.

You don't even know what that is, so you're stuck.

[Spurtacular]

She lied under oath. The media has ignored it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POplYqPF67Y

[ElNono]

What would she be prosecuted for? Lying isn't illegal (if that's whats implied) unless under oath, which I don't think she was at any point.

[ElNono]

If outright lying would be illegal and a criminally prosecutable offense, we wouldn't have a POTUS right now.

[Chris]

Depends on the nature of the lie and the parties involved as to to whether it pertains to a prosecutorial offense. Trump Derangement Syndrome can lend a myopic view to common sense.

[ElNono]

'Common sense' or 'Alternate facts' are entirely opinion, not facts, which are largely irrelevant in law...

[baseline bum]

She's taken a lie detector test. Will Kav?

A polygraph test means shit. You can just squeeze your asshole to raise your heart rate enough to completely fuck the baseline. I wouldn't trust a polygraph any more than I'd trust Trump.

[Spurtacular]

A polygraph test means shit. You can just squeeze your asshole to raise your heart rate enough to completely fuck the baseline. I wouldn't trust a polygraph any more than I'd trust Trump.

:lol Federal govt. making it a crime to teach how to beat lie detector tests. Only Ford's CIA buddies should be allowed to do that.

[DMC]

Ford was the accuser, so her credibility only comes into play when considering whether or not to pursue investigations of the accused. It would be foolish for any network to spend time going after a professed victim of sexual assault, especially by trusting an ex-lover's testimony (who happens to be a guy). Though it would cast some doubt on her credibility, she's not the one lined up for the supreme court, so her credibility is only meaningful in the one instance of what she says occurred. Everything since then, no matter who she told or when, is meaningless to that fact. She has the victim card, and that allows her to be inconsistent in her statements. Victims do not have to testify, they are not under oath, and it's political suicide to go after them.

Instead, you have to appear to be sheltering them as you separate the accused from the allegations and as you paint the victim as someone who's traumatized and unsure of their claims. So it works against the victim as well as for them. The end result is that the accused can gain ground while the victim is no worse for wear, except from those she trusted with her story.

I do have a hard time though believing that Ford didn't want this leaked. You don't tell a politician something about their opponent in a critical moment and expect them to not use it. Ford pretends to be naive, but her credentials show her as anything but.

[Spurtacular]

Ford was the accuser, so her credibility only comes into play when considering whether or not to pursue investigations of the accused. It would be foolish for any network to spend time going after a professed victim of sexual assault, especially by trusting an ex-lover's testimony (who happens to be a guy). Though it would cast some doubt on her credibility, she's not the one lined up for the supreme court, so her credibility is only meaningful in the one instance of what she says occurred. Everything since then, no matter who she told or when, is meaningless to that fact. She has the victim card, and that allows her to be inconsistent in her statements. Victims do not have to testify, they are not under oath, and it's political suicide to go after them.

Instead, you have to appear to be sheltering them as you separate the accused from the allegations and as you paint the victim as someone who's traumatized and unsure of their claims. So it works against the victim as well as for them. The end result is that the accused can gain ground while the victim is no worse for wear, except from those she trusted with her story.

I do have a hard time though believing that Ford didn't want this leaked. You don't tell a politician something about their opponent in a critical moment and expect them to not use it. Ford pretends to be naive, but her credentials show her as anything but.

None of Ford's friends backed up her claims. Her lies are documented. Her connections to the deep state are significant. Prosecution or no, she was a willing vitriolic attacker on an innocent man, and she deserves the derision and negative consequences (though she'll go back to her safe space in academia and be insulated from the scorn). Trump pretty well nailed it though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX1s_6QXJfM

[CosmicCowboy]

Double post

[CosmicCowboy]

They should leave Ford alone but avenatti should be disbarred. He fucked you guys.

[DMC]

None of Ford's friends backed up her claims. Her lies are documented. Her connections to the deep state are significant. Prosecution or no, she was a willing vitriolic attacker on an innocent man, and she deserves the derision and negative consequences (though she'll go back to her safe space in academia and be insulated from the scorn). Trump pretty well nailed it though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX1s_6QXJfM

When you say "deep state" you're negating rationality where media is concerned. I was explaining why the media didn't pursue allegations against Ford. She was given benefit of the doubt for her story, but so was Brett K. I'm pretty sure a judge at Brett K's level has friends in the "deep state" as well.

What really sealed this is the insane amount of partisanship in the senate. If the dems had the majority in the senate, Brett wold not be a justice today and it's very likely you would have never heard of Ford.

[DMC]

They should leave Ford alone but avenatti should be disbarred. He fucked you guys.

Avenatti won't be disbarred. His clients might be harassed however, but they'll all get money from it.

[ElNono]

When you say "deep state" you're negating rationality where media is concerned. I was explaining why the media didn't pursue allegations against Ford. She was given benefit of the doubt for her story, but so was Brett K. I'm pretty sure a judge at Brett K's level has friends in the "deep state" as well.

What really sealed this is the insane amount of partisanship in the senate. If the dems had the majority in the senate, Brett wold not be a justice today and it's very likely you would have never heard of Ford.

This pretty much sums it up. The GOP had the votes, that's it and that's all. Outside of the nomination, this really has nothing to do with Trump (and I would advance that not even the nomination, he probably was told who to pick and why).

On the Dems side, they had a choice to make: 1) do nothing and let the nomination go through across party lines, sending a message to their constituency that they need to get out and vote if they want to stop this kinda stuff or 2) pretend they were putting up a fight, even if the outcomes was mathematically set, and try to make this another banner for the election.

They choose 2, mostly out of self-preservation, but I think it could be sending the wrong message to the non-base, so we'll see how that gambit works out.

[DMC]

This pretty much sums it up. The GOP had the votes, that's it and that's all. Outside of the nomination, this really has nothing to do with Trump (and I would advance that not even the nomination, he probably was told who to pick and why).

On the Dems side, they had a choice to make: 1) do nothing and let the nomination go through across party lines, sending a message to their constituency that they need to get out and vote if they want to stop this kinda stuff or 2) pretend they were putting up a fight, even if the outcomes was mathematically set, and try to make this another banner for the election.

They choose 2, mostly out of self-preservation, but I think it could be sending the wrong message to the non-base, so we'll see how that gambit works out.

And my comment about Dr Ford - If the dems had control of the senate, she'd know that and not be worried that Brett K would be confirmed. She likely would not have come forward. This is dismissing, of course, any conspiracy theories regarding the affair and taking her at face value (about a buck fifty). This is one major hurdle she faced, the fact that she only came forward for political reasons. If she was a victim and scarred because of her encounter to the point where she needed two front doors, the act alone didn't provoke a response from her. It was only when she found out he was going to be nominated that she gained the courage to come forward. That casts a lot of doubt on the veracity of the claim.

[ElNono]

And my comment about Dr Ford - If the dems had control of the senate, she'd know that and not be worried that Brett K would be confirmed. She likely would not have come forward. This is dismissing, of course, any conspiracy theories regarding the affair and taking her at face value (about a buck fifty). This is one major hurdle she faced, the fact that she only came forward for political reasons. If she was a victim and scarred because of her encounter to the point where she needed two front doors, the act alone didn't provoke a response from her. It was only when she found out he was going to be nominated that she gained the courage to come forward. That casts a lot of doubt on the veracity of the claim.

Regardless of her claim being true or not, she was certainly used as a part of a much larger strategy. She entered the picture through a Democratic Senator. If the strategy would've been not to fight, she probably doesn't testify either, and we're not evaluating now the veracity of her statements.

As much as I've said that BK walked into this circus willingly, so has Dr Ford. And in this current climate of partisan acrimony, you knew they were going to get roasted. No low is too low right now, unfortunately.

Now talking about that strategy, I'm not sure it was the proper strategy for the Democrats. We can go deeper into the reason and causes, but I'm not convinced the pluses beat the minuses, especially long term.

[DMC]

Regardless of her claim being true or not, she was certainly used as a part of a much larger strategy. She entered the picture through a Democratic Senator. If the strategy would've been not to fight, she probably doesn't testify either, and we're not evaluating now the veracity of her statements.

As much as I've said that BK walked into this circus willingly, so has Dr Ford. And in this current climate of partisan acrimony, you knew they were going to get roasted. No low is too low right now, unfortunately.

Now talking about that strategy, I'm not sure it was the proper strategy for the Democrats. We can go deeper into the reason and causes, but I'm not convinced the pluses beat the minuses, especially long term.

There's only two real parties. The voter base has to decide if it wants to vote at all. If it does, it has to pick a side. The third party vote is just a symbolic gesture. It seems that day to day living for most Americans hasn't changed enough to compel them to put down the remote control and learn about the issues, and they see voting as just another blip on the news. Half the country basically doesn't even vote.

I don't think the dems are going to compel more people to vote dem instead of republican. They have to instead fire up their voter base so they get a better turnout. The landscape is so partisan right now, it's like people are living in different worlds. We have our news tailored and spoon fed to us to suit our biases, because it sells. Politics has become religion.

[ducks]

In a social media post on Saturday, a writer for CBS's "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert" seemingly celebrated the damage done to Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh's reputation during his bruising and bitterly partisan confirmation battle.

[ElNono]

There's only two real parties. The voter base has to decide if it wants to vote at all. If it does, it has to pick a side. The third party vote is just a symbolic gesture. It seems that day to day living for most Americans hasn't changed enough to compel them to put down the remote control and learn about the issues, and they see voting as just another blip on the news. Half the country basically doesn't even vote.

I agree that there's no third party anything, and neither of the two main parties are going anywhere, tbh...

[boutons_deux]

"he probably was told who to pick and why"

McGahn make the pick and shepherded K through the Senate

Then it was McGahn, on behalf of Trash, who defined, circumscribed the FBI's so-called investigation to make sure FBI didn't confirm/find any dirt on his boy K.

the whole shit show was rigged from beginning to end. iow, standard Repug cheating and fraud

[boutons_deux]

btw, when K was in dubya's WH, it was K who advised dubya to choose Roberts for Chief Justice, and then it was Roberts in the past few weeks who sat on judicial complaints about K's shitty judging.

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFL6k5yOAFM

[Spurtacular]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO9-suS6hPU

[Pavlov]

Is there spooky music in your conspiracy YouTube?

[spurraider21]

Is there spooky music in your conspiracy YouTube?
you bet. just click to random intervals. its pretty great.

and spooky

[spurraider21]

This pretty much sums it up. The GOP had the votes, that's it and that's all. Outside of the nomination, this really has nothing to do with Trump (and I would advance that not even the nomination, he probably was told who to pick and why).

On the Dems side, they had a choice to make: 1) do nothing and let the nomination go through across party lines, sending a message to their constituency that they need to get out and vote if they want to stop this kinda stuff or 2) pretend they were putting up a fight, even if the outcomes was mathematically set, and try to make this another banner for the election.

They choose 2, mostly out of self-preservation, but I think it could be sending the wrong message to the non-base, so we'll see how that gambit works out.
in a country where voter turnout is so low, appealing to the non-base is a losing strategy. you're better of tapping into the base because that well hasn't run dry yet. as voter participation rises, that ceases to be the case. voter participation was under 37% during the last midterms

[ElNono]

in a country where voter turnout is so low, appealing to the non-base is a losing strategy. you're better of tapping into the base because that well hasn't run dry yet. as voter participation rises, that ceases to be the case. voter participation was under 37% during the last midterms

The biggest hurdle is that when the economy is doing well (and it has since the 2nd term of the last prez), it becomes much more difficult to get out the vote, unless there's some really difficult circumstance (ie: war). But the base will be there. A non-base vote is probably worth 2x as much in any given election, since they are largely the deciders.

[Winehole23]

Automatic voter registration is on the rise. Convenience seems to be getting more "non-base" voters to the polls in Oregon, for example.

[spurraider21]

The biggest hurdle is that when the economy is doing well (and it has since the 2nd term of the last prez), it becomes much more difficult to get out the vote, unless there's some really difficult circumstance (ie: war). But the base will be there. A non-base vote is probably worth 2x as much in any given election, since they are largely the deciders.
turnout in the 2010 midterms was about 40%
in 2006 it was 42%

its just generally low, economy notwithstanding

[SnakeBoy]

you bet. just click to random intervals. its pretty great.

and spooky

I like it because that's how you know a shark is close by

[Spurtacular]

Fucking psychopath!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL8CPDwI4Yw