Saudi suspected of killing journalist at their Consulate and dismembering him

[hater]

:cry our closest allies :cry

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1049557453178847234?s=21

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1049318014968102912?s=21

https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/1049680570077405186?s=21

https://twitter.com/nickkristof/status/1048752933653938176?s=21

[hater]

https://twitter.com/dabeard/status/1049680696808284160?s=21

[hater]

This journalist was no ghandi btw:

He left Saudi Arabia last year out of fear of being targeted in the ongoing crackdown by clown prince Mohammad bin Salman. He ended up writing mildly critical columns for the Washington Post. Khashoggi is no liberal but a staunch supporter of Saudi system and its brutality. He had praised the beheading of Syrian soldiers by ISIS as an "effective psychological military tactic" and supported the abhorrent Saudi war on Yemen.

[Winehole23]

still, wow

[hater]

Choppd up in 15 pieces :wow

Animals

https://twitter.com/taiterstan/status/1049789125161758720?s=21

[boutons_deux]

It Is Written

Allah Willed It

[hater]

https://twitter.com/theonion/status/1049415412897775617?s=21

[in2deep]

He is/was an american citizen too

wonder what Bezos is thinking especially after posing mext to Bin Salman on his visit here

https://twitter.com/schwarz/status/1048697745849180160?s=21

[in2deep]

Bezos was not the only one rubbng elbows with this nutcase

clinton, branson, gates all look stupid now

https://twitter.com/kalafatsaban/status/1048946072536662017?s=21

[in2deep]

https://twitter.com/evan_rosenfeld/status/1049812331578843136?s=21

[in2deep]

3 days before disapearance

https://twitter.com/m3takl_en/status/1049579928486928384?s=21

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

Bezos was not the only one rubbng elbows with this nutcase

clinton, branson, gates all look stupid now

https://twitter.com/kalafatsaban/status/1048946072536662017?s=21
Trump, Bush, Rupert Murdoch too :tu

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/evan_rosenfeld/status/1049812331578843136?s=21

Don’t let the OP see you posted something from the NYTimes...
They are the arm of the CIA.

And Bezos, owner of the post, is squelching all the stories...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/turkey-demands-saudi-arabias-full-cooperation-in-probe-of-missing-journalist/2018/10/08/2fd48bda-caf9-11e8-ad0a-0e01efba3cc1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c7dfa2279214

Not...

They have some of the best info. Note that Turkey has let the Western press all in on this. It’s all over Europe as well.

[pgardn]

Trump response to murder...

*crickets*

[Chris]

Always about Trump...that syndrome thingy.

[pgardn]

Always about Trump...that syndrome thingy.

The President of the US has nothing to say on this?

You’re joking?
Right?

[ElNono]

Always about Trump...that syndrome thingy.

What do you think Chris? What are your thoughts on this atrocity?

[JakeCuenca]

This guy was very close with the last King Abdullah.

[spurraider21]

What do you think Chris? What are your thoughts on this atrocity?
https://gdb.rferl.org/2FAAAD2B-8EB2-40E4-B03A-9FA512FCA576_w1023_r1_s.jpg

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5922f54834911b297f8b4c85-750-563.jpg

http://www.bestofcurrency.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/exchange-money.jpg

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/524/tumblr_o16n2kBlpX1ta3qyvo1_1280.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAAlDoAtV7Y

[Spurtacular]

Muzzie on Muzzie crime.

[Spurtacular]

This guy was very close with the last King Abdullah.

[in2deep]

Muzzie on Muzzie crime.

Not really he is american citizen

[in2deep]

Don’t let the OP see you posted something from the NYTimes...
They are the arm of the CIA.

And Bezos, owner of the post, is squelching all the stories...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/turkey-demands-saudi-arabias-full-cooperation-in-probe-of-missing-journalist/2018/10/08/2fd48bda-caf9-11e8-ad0a-0e01efba3cc1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c7dfa2279214

Not...

They have some of the best info. Note that Turkey has let the Western press all in on this. It’s all over Europe as well.

Not surprised he wqs friends w NYT and worked at WaPo

he was for the terrorists in Syria said the beheading of Syrian soldiers was a good strategy. Was for the war in Yemen until a few months ago, was friends with many Saudi kings and supported the Saudi royalty

So do most at WaPo and NYT

he just had started complaining about Yemen after all tge attrocities and this happens

[pgardn]

Not surprised he wqs friends w NYT and worked at WaPo he was for the terrorists in Syria said the beheading of Syrian soldiers was a good strategy. Was for the war in Yemen until a few months ago, was friends with many Saudi kings and supported the Saudi royaltySo do most at WaPo and NYThe just had started complaining about Yemen after all tge attrocities and this happensIm surprised it’s this blatant. We are about the only Western govt who has not warned the Saudis and asked for zero explanations.

[in2deep]

Im surprised it’s this blatant. We are about the only Western govt who has not warned the Saudis and asked for zero explanations.

We will see what happns right now the Turkish charges just sem too fantastical to believe.

they said they will enter and search the consulate.

If the charges are true Bin Salman might just have screwed up his reign. Sure they will probably blame it on one of his minions but the damage might still be big enough to engulf him. Hopefully because he is out of control even without this crime

[DMC]

:cry our closest allies :cry

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1049557453178847234?s=21

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1049318014968102912?s=21

https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/1049680570077405186?s=21

https://twitter.com/nickkristof/status/1048752933653938176?s=21

Yep I called it.

[pgardn]

We will see what happns right now the Turkish charges just sem too fantastical to believe.

they said they will enter and search the consulate.

If the charges are true Bin Salman might just have screwed up his reign. Sure they will probably blame it on one of his minions but the damage might still be big enough to engulf him. Hopefully because he is out of control even without this crime

Edrogan would try to pull this off himself if he could.
Niether side is a bastion of truth and fair play.
Humanitarians, nothing to check.

Whats even weirder is the OP is an Assad/Putin worshipper.
Selectively picking his atrocities.

[in2deep]

Edrogan would try to pull this off himself if he could.
Niether side is a bastion of truth and fair play.
Humanitarians, nothing to check.

Whats even weirder is the OP is an Assad/Putin worshipper.
Selectively picking his atrocities.

we all have our own attrocities.

we have killed journalists with Blackhawk helicopter guns. (See Chelsea Manning video leak)

we are no bastion of truth and fair play either

[hater]

we all have our own attrocities.

we have killed journalists with Blackhawk helicopter guns. (See Chelsea Manning video leak)

we are no bastion of truth and fair play either

Good post

Lets not forget the hospital we bombed just a few weeks ago.

Poor peegarden poster is a brainwashed marmot :lol

[Winehole23]

Not really he is american citizenUS resident, but still

[boutons_deux]

Saudis are said to have lain in wait for Jamal Khashoggi

As Jamal Khashoggi prepared to enter the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2,

a squad of men from Saudi Arabia who investigators suspect played a role in his disappearance was ready and in place.

They had arrived from Riyadh, the Saudi capital, early that morning and

checked in at two international hotels in Istanbul before driving to the consulate in the leafy Levent neighborhood, said two people with knowledge of the investigation.

One of them, the Mövenpick Hotel Istanbul, is a few minutes from the consulate by car.

By the end of the day, a 15-member Saudi team had conducted its business and left the country,

departing on planes bound for Cairo and Dubai, according to flight records and the people familiar with the investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/saudis-lay-in-wait-for-jamal-khashoggi-and-left-turkey-quickly-sources-say/2018/10/09/0e283e2e-cbc5-11e8-ad0a-0e01efba3cc1_story.html?utm_term=.7e8d5d97a2a5&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

The SA assassin is Trash's kind of guy, the kind of guy Trash is "in love with", like Duterte, Pootin, Kim Jong-un, and soon Bolsonaro.

Orban isn't known to have killed anybody, yet.

Trash has not asked SA for an explanation, and I bet he will not punish SA,

the way UK has punished Pootin for murdering his enemies on UK soil.

[Winehole23]

two weird things about this story: the US apparently had advance knowledge of the plot and did nothing to stop it, and then it leaked that information to WaPo.

[Winehole23]

Turkey names 4 of the 15: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/10/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-saudi-turkey.html

[hater]

two weird things about this story: the US apparently had advance knowledge of the plot and did nothing to stop it, and then it leaked that information to WaPo.

Not surprising US intel was in on it

Lol ma leaks

[hater]

Ma allies :cry

Lets send our kids to die in Iran for these brave souls :cry

https://twitter.com/jchaltiwanger/status/1050021878876790786?s=21

[Winehole23]

the leak possibly connotes US approval

[hater]

:lmao teresa May saudi puppet

Not one British newspaper has reported the story on their front page despite the UK's kissing-close relationship with the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman (MbS) and the fact that Khashoggi was, only a week ago, a visitor to London where he appeared on the state broadcaster BBC.

[Pavlov]

:lmao teresa May saudi puppet

Not one British newspaper has reported the story on their front page despite the UK's kissing-close relationship with the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman (MbS) and the fact that Khashoggi was, only a week ago, a visitor to London where he appeared on the state broadcaster BBC.:lmao RT

[hater]

Lol Osama Bin Kushner

There may have been other reasons to withhold a warning. Trump's son in law and senior aid Jared Kushner has good personal relations with MbS. In March The Intercept reported that, according to MbS, Kushner revealed U.S. intelligence about MbS' enemies to him.

[A]fter the meeting, Crown Prince Mohammed told confidants that Kushner had discussed the names of Saudis disloyal to the crown prince, according to three sources who have been in contact with members of the Saudi and Emirati royal families since the crackdown.
The meeting took place in late October 2017. About a week later the Saudi clown prince incarcerated hundreds of his rich relatives and other Saudi billionaires in the Ritz hotel in Riyadh and pressured them to hand over their assets.

Kushner had obviously no qualms to rat out the people who privately criticized MbS.

[FrostKing]

If there is one nation I would support warmongering - it is the scummy Saudis

[boutons_deux]

Conservatives Blast Trump for Anemic Response to Saudi Journalist Jamal Khashoggi’s Disappearance


"[Trump’s] statements, so far, have been completely inadequate," never-Trumper Max Boot said.

https://www.alternet.org/conservatives-blast-trump-anemic-response-saudi-journalist-jamal-khashoggis-disappearance

[in2deep]

Conservatives Blast Trump for Anemic Response to Saudi Journalist Jamal Khashoggi’s Disappearance


"[Trump’s] statements, so far, have been completely inadequate," never-Trumper Max Boot said.

https://www.alternet.org/conservatives-blast-trump-anemic-response-saudi-journalist-jamal-khashoggis-disappearance



good Trump is scum

but have the Clintons spoken out about it? Or Pelosi? Shumer?

[boutons_deux]

good Trump is scum

but have the Clintons spoken out about it? Or Pelosi? Shumer?

one Congress asshole has, but the Dems will let the fat turd twist in the toxic wind, HE's the fucking Pres

[boutons_deux]

US demands answers on Saudi writer who disappeared in Turkeyhttps://www.thestate.com/entertainment/celebrities/article219769025.html

[Pavlov]

good Trump is scum

but have the Clintons spoken out about it?Who cares?

Or Pelosi? Shumer? Yes and yes.

[in2deep]

one Congress asshole has, but the Dems will let the fat turd twist in the toxic wind, HE's the fucking Pres

So just to spite Trump they will keep quiet about Saudi royalty executing and dismembering a journalist?

just to spite and hurt Trump??

[in2deep]

Who cares?
.

Anyone with a public voice should be clamoring Saudi govmt to teel us where he is

especially since our president is quiet as a miuse about it

[pgardn]

:lmao teresa May saudi puppet

Not one British newspaper has reported the story on their front page despite the UK's kissing-close relationship with the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman (MbS) and the fact that Khashoggi was, only a week ago, a visitor to London where he appeared on the state broadcaster BBC.

Wrong.

The Guardian did.
Where do you get this blatantly incorrect crap?

[pgardn]

two weird things about this story: the US apparently had advance knowledge of the plot and did nothing to stop it, and then it leaked that information to WaPo.

Link?

Trump finally weighs in and says this kind of behavior should never happen and the US will get to the bottom of this.

[in2deep]

Apparently this journalist was exiled from Saudi Arabia for crticizing Trump

yes please read that againhe was banned in 2016 and escaped to Virginia for criticizing Trump

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-donald-trump-journalist-banned-for-criticising-us-president-elect-a7456956.html


A Saudi Arabian (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/SaudiArabia)journalist and commentator has been banned by his country for criticising US President-elect Donald Trump (https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/DonaldTrump).
Jamal Khashoggi has been banned from writing in newspapers, making TV appearances and attending conferences, Middle East Eye reports (http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/saudi-arabia-bans-khashoggi-writing-media-appearances-after-trump-remarks-1801958864).

Speaking at the Washington Institute, Mr Khashoggi described Mr Trump's stance on the Middle East as "contradictory",

Mr Khashoggi said that while Mr Trump has been vocally anti-Iran, he has hinted he will support President Bashar al-Assad in Syria's civil war (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-president-elect-donald-trump-support-assad-putin-syria-remove-rebel-backing-a7413346.html), a move which will ultimately bolster Iran.


Mr Khashoggi was also quoted in a Washington Post article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/a-trump-administration-could-upend-the-middle-east/2016/11/15/19ba63ea-a78a-11e6-ba46-53db57f0e351_story.html?utm_term=.909eca0d272e) discussing potential changes in the Middle East as a result of Mr Trump's election victory.
In the article, he described hopes for a regional reconciliation as "wishful thinking" which he said was at odds with Mr Trump's "apparent determination to ally more closely with Russia".
He added: "When his advisers show him the map, will he realise supporting Putin means supporting the Iranian agenda?"

[Winehole23]

pgardn link is in the WaPo scoop just above my post. I was responding directly.

[Chris]

What do you think Chris? What are your thoughts on this atrocity?

Third world issues tbh

[Pavlov]

Third world issues tbh
You're an idiot tbh.

[pgardn]

pgardn (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19184) link is in the WaPo scoop just above my post. I was responding directly.

And I thank you.
Now to read.
This is getting bizzare.

Oh no wonder. I usually skip boots.

[Winehole23]

Third world issues tbhchickenshit Chris runs away from the issue, as usual.

the only country in the region that gets more US military aid than the KSA is Israel. the only country that produces more oil than the KSA is the USA.

the war and the world historical famine in Yemen, perpetrated by the KSA and the UAE, has been US (and UK) backed and supported the whole way.

the giant sucking sound you hear in the region is the power vacuum created by the US destruction of Iraq. it's a big reason the KSA feels at liberty to flex nuts.

you may consider the KSA a third world problem, but they're our third world problem.

[Chris]

You're an idiot tbh.

Pavlov has devolved into a 'Blake tier' poster.

Sad.

[ElNono]

Third world issues tbh

Keep us posted when you're told what to think about this, tbh...

[Chris]

chickenshit Chris runs away from the issue, as usual.

the only country in the region that gets more US military aid than the KSA is Israel. the only country that produces more oil than the KSA is the USA.

the war and the world historical famine in Yemen, perpetrated by the KSA and the UAE, has been US (and UK) backed and supported the whole way.

the giant sucking sound you hear in the region is the power vacuum created by the US destruction of Iraq. it's a big reason the KSA feels at liberty to flex nuts.

you may consider the KSA a third world problem, but they're our third world problem.

America first. Thanks for the history lesson that everyone already knows. What's your band-aid here?

[Chris]

Keep us posted when you're told what to think about this, tbh...

Sure thing pal.

[pgardn]

America first. Thanks for the history lesson that everyone already knows. What's your band-aid here?

He was an American citizen Chris.
An American journalist was killed in a very important part of the world that WE AMERICANS need information on.
Iran captured a Washington Post journalist and held him captive 1 1/2 years. Do you think US citizens deserve information on Iran? Or it’s unimportant?

[Pavlov]

Pavlov has devolved into a 'Blake tier' poster.

Sad.Great, whats third world issues are you talking about, Chris?

[in2deep]

Keep us posted when you're told what to think about this, tbh...

A Trump supporter would be very confused about this whole situation.

so this guy criticized Trump when he was elected and was banned for it in Saudi. Why the harsh punishment?

then few days after Trump says in a rally about Saudi king that “I asked him to pay for US protection. All of it and the king would not last 2 weeks without US protection” this same guy is dissapeared by the king

seems to me this could be some kind of revenge vs Trump for the insults he just commited.

King might have just overplayed his hand

[ElNono]

A Trump supporter would be very confused about this whole situation.

so this guy criticized Trump when he was elected and was banned for it in Saudi. Why the harsh punishment?

then few days after Trump says in a rally about Saudi king that “I asked him to pay for US protection. All of it and the king would not last 2 weeks without US protection” this same guy is dissapeared by the king

seems to me this could be some kind of revenge vs Trump for the insults he just commited.

King might have just overplayed his hand

Literally a cut throat culture in the Middle East, Saudis included, tbh... don't think it has much to do with Trump necessarily, but this idea that Saudis or Pakis should get a pass while we point fingers at China human rights abuses sound pretty hypocritical. Same with North Korea, BTW, who apparently now is Cinderella...

[Chris]

Literally a cut throat culture in the Middle East, Saudis included, tbh...

Third world issues tbh...

[ElNono]

Third world issues tbh...

Same world you and I live in, Chris, believe it or not... we call those people our allies and friends...

[Pavlov]

Third world issues tbh...And which third world issues are those, Chris?

[Chris]

Same world you and I live in, Chris, believe it or not... we call those people our allies and friends...

Friends in name only thanks to BigOil and the petrodollar. If Trump get's his way we won't be reliant on them for anything.

[Pavlov]

Friends in name only thanks to BigOil and the petrodollar. If Trump get's his way we won't be reliant on them for anything.What's Trump's plan, Chris?

[ElNono]

Friends in name only thanks to BigOil and the petrodollar. If Trump get's his way we won't be reliant on them for anything.

Is he starting his own party? But thanks for actually sharing a take, tbh... :tu

[Chris]

Is he starting his own party? But thanks for actually sharing a take, tbh... :tu

Might as well be, both parties rejected him before and after the election. He's managed to unify the GOP ironically and even RINOs like Lindsay Graham are flipping the script.

[ElNono]

I wouldn't mind one bit cutting most if not all foreign aid, but Congress ain't doing it, and the President can't do it on his own.

[Winehole23]

America first. Thanks for the history lesson that everyone already knows. What's your band-aid here?there is no fucking bandaid, just a smoking crater, trillions of dollars wide and thousands of lives deep and seventeen years long.

what did we get for it?

what did they get for it?

[pgardn]

there is no fucking bandaid, just a smoking crater, trillions of dollars wide and thousands of lives deep and seventeen years long.

what did we get for it?

what did they get for it?

muh taxes???

Chris, you paid for it. And continue to do so.
Or are you on Food stamps?

The debt???

[in2deep]

Friends in name only thanks to BigOil and the petrodollar. If Trump get's his way we won't be reliant on them for anything.

If you take money and oil out of the euation we have no allies in the world. In the last few decades we have been buying our friends with either money, “protection” as trump calls it or threats.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Says US-Saudi Relations ‘Excellent,’

But Would Be ‘Very Sad Thing’ :lol If They Killed Journalist

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/us-saudi-relations-excellent-very-sad-thing-killed-writer?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

:lol Trash with his childish thoughts, vocab, expressions.

[in2deep]

Trump Says US-Saudi Relations ‘Excellent,’

But Would Be ‘Very Sad Thing’ :lol If They Killed Journalist

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/us-saudi-relations-excellent-very-sad-thing-killed-writer?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

:lol Trash with his childish thoughts, vocab, expressions.




He is an idiot

he sent in his boy Kushner thats his huge mistake. Like sending 5 year old to a UFC hexagon.

[in2deep]

As much as I hate Rubio he had a good response. He is one of the few who repeated the barbaric charges on live tv and said if that is true shit will hit the fan

[boutons_deux]

said if that is true shit will hit the fan

Little Marco? that's some bullshit right there.

Marco's, or who?, is going throw shit at the fan? or is Marco the fan that will throw shit?

BigOil, and death merchant MIC, makea foreign policy with SA, not Little Marco

[FrostKing]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sPLvdKuea5M/maxresdefault.jpg

[Pavlov]

https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/donald-trump4.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

a good read:

https://spectator.us/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi/

[spurraider21]

Friends in name only thanks to BigOil and the petrodollar. If Trump get's his way we won't be reliant on them for anything.


https://gdb.rferl.org/2FAAAD2B-8EB2-40E4-B03A-9FA512FCA576_w1023_r1_s.jpg

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5922f54834911b297f8b4c85-750-563.jpg

http://www.bestofcurrency.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/exchange-money.jpg

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/524/tumblr_o16n2kBlpX1ta3qyvo1_1280.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAAlDoAtV7Y

[hater]

Shits about to get real

A leading Republican senator said Thursday that he believes Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was murdered and that "there is no question the Saudis did this."
Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker told CNN that the "intel points directly" to Saudi Arabia for the disappearance of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi and said the Saudis need to "produce" the 59-year-old father of four to dispel concerns

[hater]

CDS

Called Dat Shit(TM)

[DMC]

I was asked just yesterday to travel to Saudi... lol I said "oh hell no".

[hater]

:lmao Jared Kushner :lol

Holy shit what an epic failure of a son in law :lmao

[hater]

https://twitter.com/simonwdc/status/1050457718677475330?s=21

Da reziztance :cry might have found a big hole to poke on Trump with J:lolred

Too bad they will stupidly continue with the muh Russia :cry strategy and miss it :lmao

[hater]

https://twitter.com/brookewarner/status/1050448475811282944?s=21

[CosmicCowboy]

In an imperfect world Mohammed bin Salman is still our best option for Saudi Arabia even if he does kill the occasional dissident.

[FrostKing]

So when we gonna liberate the people and arm their rebels

[hater]

In an imperfect world Mohammed bin Salman is still our best option for Saudi Arabia even if he does kill the occasional dissident.

And In an imperfect world ISIS runs Damascus

[FrostKing]

.

[boutons_deux]

Trash doesn't care if Saudis tortured, murdered, chopped up SA critic, because SA is buying $110B arms from USA

The $110B was always and still is a HUGE LIE

Turks got it all on audio and video.

[Winehole23]

The Turkish government has told U.S. officials that it has audio and video recordings that prove Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul this month, according to U.S. and Turkish officials.

The recordings show that a Saudi security team detained Khashoggi in the consulate after he walked in on Oct. 2 to obtain an official document before his upcoming wedding, then killed him and dismembered his body, the officials said.

The audio recording in particular provides some of the most persuasive and gruesome evidence that the Saudi team is responsible for Khashoggi's death, the officials said.


"The voice recording from inside the embassy lays out what happened to Jamal after he entered," said one person with knowledge of the recording who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss highly sensitive intelligence.

"You can hear his voice and the voices of men speaking Arabic," this person said. "You can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered."

https://www.stltoday.com/news/world/washington-post-columnist-khashoggi-was-killed-inside-saudi-consulate-turks/article_5d2b686b-f91b-5e57-a55e-1389bea13cbe.html

[boutons_deux]

Rachel Maddow Explains Why Trump's Shady Business Ties to Saudi Arabia Leave Him Irreparably Compromised

Trump has seemed largely uninterested in Washington Post columnists' disappearance.

Following up on the

Washington Post report detailing (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-like-them-very-much-trump-has-long-standing-business-ties-with-saudis-who-have-boosted-his-hotels-since-he-took-office/2018/10/11/0870df24-cd67-11e8-a360-85875bac0b1f_story.html) Trump many business ties to Saudi — many of which remain obscure —

Maddow noted that the conflict of interests these relationships create is deeply troubling and unprecedented.

"Donald Trump has a business history — and business present — with Saudi Arabia," Maddow said.

"And that's the kind of thing that we've never had to factor in before

when considering why a president was acting a specific way toward a specific country.

Other presidents didn't keep live business interests while in the Oval Office —

particularly, live business interests open to foreign governments."

She added:

"And so, now we don't really know what the motivation is for the

president's actions toward a place like Saudi, which is also paying him."

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/msnbcs-rachel-maddow-explains-why-trumps-shady-business-ties-saudi-arabia-leave

[Spurs Homer]

“But-but- her emails!”

[hater]

Looks like Turkey was reluctant to show that they had recording devices in Saudi embassy but in the end said fuck it :lol

I think this has Quatar written all over it. Turkey went to Saudi first and tried to negotiate a deal to keep inder wraps but IMO Quatar wanting revenge on Saud told Turks we will double whatever Saudis offered :lol

If Quatar is not involved I dont think this reaches this level of publicity. Them nigas are going for Saudi pound of flesh and who can blame them, stupid Sauds are making Quatar an island literally they are digging a channel around the country :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

Looks like Turkey was reluctant to show that they had recording devices in Saudi embassy but in the end said fuck it :lol

I think this has Quatar written all over it. Turkey went to Saudi first and tried to negotiate a deal to keep inder wraps but IMO Quatar wanting revenge on Saud told Turks we will double whatever Saudis offered :lol

If Quatar is not involved I dont think this reaches this level of publicity. Them nigas are going for Saudi pound of flesh and who can blame them, stupid Sauds are making Quatar an island literally they are digging a channel around the country :lol

That was my thought exactly. Wonder who else's embassy is bugged?

[hater]

:cry poor defnse contractors :cry

Poor dear baby souls :cry

https://twitter.com/reutersworld/status/1050748119196061698?s=21

[hater]

https://twitter.com/bunny_slick/status/1050755482372042757?s=21

[hater]

When it rains it pours

https://twitter.com/docrocktex26/status/1050763189665898496?s=21

[hater]

https://twitter.com/politicsinsider/status/1050767450990698496?s=21

[hater]

J:lolred

https://twitter.com/asam1a/status/1050767818906468352?s=21

[hater]

https://twitter.com/southwillow16/status/1050764748571045888?s=21

[pgardn]

That was my thought exactly. Wonder who else's embassy is bugged?

Are you guys kidding?
I your embassy on foreign soil is not bugged then they don’t give a shit about your country.

Holy shit... Seriously?

[in2deep]

Are you guys kidding?
I your embassy on foreign soil is not bugged then they don’t give a shit about your country.

Holy shit... Seriously?

It depends. I doubt many US embassies are bugged as US tech eclipses most nations. But yes Im sure the big players, US, Russia, China, Japan, Israel, Turkey, Saudi, France, UK, Germany have most of their guest embassies bugged

[boutons_deux]

It depends. I doubt many US embassies are bugged as US tech eclipses most nations. But yes Im sure the big players, US, Russia, China, Japan, Israel, Turkey, Saudi, France, UK, Germany have most of their guest embassies bugged

I bet the very best bugging kit can be bought anywhere, just like very best weapons

[pgardn]

It depends. I doubt many US embassies are bugged as US tech eclipses most nations. But yes Im sure the big players, US, Russia, China, Japan, Israel, Turkey, Saudi, France, UK, Germany have most of their guest embassies bugged

My uncle is a foreign diplomat. They will try and bug all US embassies. We catch a lot of it for exactly the reason you stated. You realize who builds the embassy’s on foreign soil?

If you can find a nation with even minor capabilities that does not attempt to bug other foreign embassies you get a prize.

[CosmicCowboy]

When it rains it pours

https://twitter.com/docrocktex26/status/1050763189665898496?s=21

Saudi's stay in hotels?

Seriously? And thats supposed to be journalism?

[pgardn]

And news flash here:

The Trump administration is not the first to cozy up and try to deflect Saudia Arabian behavior.

[boutons_deux]

bi partisan noises to punish SA's arms purchases.

yep, after Trash's $110B is sold, no more :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

It's funny everyone is all shocked by this. Saudi Arabia publicly beheads dozens of dissidents every year. Just throw their ass down on the parking lot and hack, hack hack till their head falls off. It's no fucking secret.

[Pavlov]

It's funny everyone is all shocked by this. Saudi Arabia publicly beheads dozens of dissidents every year. Just throw their ass down on the parking lot and hack, hack hack till their head falls off. It's no fucking secret.Do they regularly to this to journalists with this high an international profile?

[Spurs Homer]

And news flash here:

The Trump administration is not the first to cozy up and try to deflect Saudia Arabian behavior.

Hey, more "whataboutism"
:clap:clap

[Spurs Homer]

It's funny everyone is all shocked by this. Saudi Arabia publicly beheads dozens of dissidents every year. Just throw their ass down on the parking lot and hack, hack hack till their head falls off. It's no fucking secret.

Terrorists good now?

[in2deep]

It's funny everyone is all shocked by this. Saudi Arabia publicly beheads dozens of dissidents every year. Just throw their ass down on the parking lot and hack, hack hack till their head falls off. It's no fucking secret.

Im going to go out on a limb here and say this is the first time in history a government dismembers a civilian in their consulate in a foreign country.

[in2deep]

If the Turks really have video of the dismemberment and it somehow leaks. That would be truly mindblowing.

[hater]

The UN should send in CSI Miami into the consulate Today

Do it Donnie

[hater]

It's funny everyone is all shocked by this. Saudi Arabia publicly beheads dozens of dissidents every year. Just throw their ass down on the parking lot and hack, hack hack till their head falls off. It's no fucking secret.

Come on Bin Salman, this is nothing like a public beheading. If it is then why is Saudi not just adminting it and moving on?:lol

[pgardn]

Hey, more "whataboutism"
:clap:clap

If you don’t look at the history of our relationship with this country then you wish to remain ignorant.
Only you can help with that problem.

[pgardn]

Come on Bin Salman, this is nothing like a public beheading. If it is then why is Saudi not just adminting it and moving on?:lol

Yes.

Kind of like Russia going on foreign soil and poisoning an ex spy who they had already warned along with British citizens. Putin can club a lot of low profile dissenters and their own soil and you won’t hear about it.

Right Hater?

[FrostKing]

Lol @ still no sanctions. Discredits all the Russia/Iran bellyaching

[pgardn]

Lol @ still no sanctions. Discredits all the Russia/Iran bellyaching

No sanctions on whom?

[FrostKing]

No sanctions on whom?
The filthy Saudis. Should have already been initiated for their radical Islam spreading in Europe

[hater]

The filthy Saudis. Should have already been initiated for their radical Islam spreading in Europe

So there are 2 factions in the Saudi royalty fighting each other. One faction is lunatic bloodthirsty Clown Prince Bin Salman the other faction is Bandar Bush, the financier for September 11 attacks

Our closest allies :lmao

[hater]

:wow got damn no novelist could have written this shit in a million years :wow

Missing Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi may have recorded his own death, a Turkish newspaper reported Saturday morning.
Khashoggi turned on the recording function of his Apple Watch before walking into the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on October 2 , according to Sabah newspaper.
The moments of his "interrogation, torture and killing were audio recorded and sent to both his phone and to iCloud," the pro-government, privately owned newspaper paper reported. The Turkish newspaper said conversations of the men involved in the reported assassination were recorded.

[FrostKing]

So there are 2 factions in the Saudi royalty fighting each other. One faction is lunatic bloodthirsty Clown Prince Bin Salman the other faction is Bandar Bush, the financier for September 11 attacks

Our closest allies :lmao
Would you put it past them to be squarely involved against the development of alternative fuel? It is their only racket

[pgardn]

Looks like the Congress is going to have to go over the head of Orange guy to inact sanctions starting with weapons.

” But, but, they will just go to Chyna...”

[DMC]

Jesus fucking Christ. How people suddenly act like they even know who this fucker was is amazing. These trendy movements are annoying. 30 people every weekend get gunned down in Chicago, no one stops doing business with them.

[Spurs Homer]

Jesus fucking Christ. How people suddenly act like they even know who this fucker was is amazing. These trendy movements are annoying. 30 people every weekend get gunned down in Chicago, no one stops doing business with them.

Why do white supremacists always play the "chicago" card?
FOX news trained you magnificently!

[Chucho]

Why do white supremacists always play the "chicago" card?
FOX news trained you magnificently!

And your media outlet of choice trained you well to make you believe you're a better person because you judge and treat people differently based on their belief. YOU ARE AWESOME.

[SnakeBoy]

That was my thought exactly. Wonder who else's embassy is bugged?

Odds are that Turkeys bugs were bugged by the CIA and the CIA knew all this shit before Turkey did.

[DMC]

Why do white supremacists always play the "chicago" card?
FOX news trained you magnificently!

1 person dies in San Antonio. Hopefully it's you.

[Pavlov]

Jesus fucking Christ. How people suddenly act like they even know who this fucker was is amazing. These trendy movements are annoying. 30 people every weekend get gunned down in Chicago, no one stops doing business with them.You don't give a shit about anything in life except the fact that other people give a shit about something in life.

[Winehole23]

DMC seems to be complaining about things people care about only because journalists brought it to their attention.

For example, rather than describing warrantless body cavity searches of US citizens by Border Patrol as egregious, he describes the attention paid as "trendy."

He's not wrong about that, but it's interesting that he puts the emphasis on the media scrum rather than the abusive state power that drew its attention.

[Winehole23]

same deal here

[pgardn]

Jesus fucking Christ. How people suddenly act like they even know who this fucker was is amazing. These trendy movements are annoying. 30 people every weekend get gunned down in Chicago, no one stops doing business with them.

Its not who he was, it’s what he did. This is not trendy at all. Factual Criticism of a government is considered very important by free countries. And journalist will go after these kinds of cases with great fervor and protect each other by making sure the world knows. You can read every other week/month about a journalist getting killed in Mexico if you take the time. But...

What you most likely not read about is a Mexican Journalist getting dismembered in the Mexican Embassy on US soil.

Do you get the difference?

[Winehole23]

if it weren't for the scandal-mongering media, there would be no scandals nor any cause for outrage at all.

including about the scandal-mongering media. the popular outrage about the biased media is itself a mediagenic furore.

[pgardn]

Odds are that Turkeys bugs were bugged by the CIA and the CIA knew all this shit before Turkey did.

How about we just bugged this embassy as well.
Or we could have easily intercepted what they knew outside of the embassy. There are a ton of physical structures that could be prime targets for info in Turkey. It’s not like Turkey put it all together immediately. We could have had the same facts after them and already figured it out before them.

[pgardn]

if it weren't for the scandal-mongering media, there would be no scandals nor any cause for outrage at all.

including about the scandal-mongering media. the popular outrage about the biased media is itself a mediagenic furore.

This is what completely escapes people who have the luxury of living in the US.

The press is quite literally the 4th arm of government.
And not just our press.
Red team has found it pleasing to criticize the press when it does not fit their agenda. Blue team to some extent. Orange guy has made it fashionable. “Alternative facts....” The absolute stupidity of consciously trying to ignore the attempt to find facts. And now they creep into Science with this shit... Back to Witchcraft.

[boutons_deux]

Back to Witchcraft.

Bible humping sheep have been indoctrinated to believe only the literal Bible and how their grifter, greedy so-called pastors (shepherds, sheep herders) interpret the Bible and to ignore, deny, and/or attack Caesar and science. No need for witchcraft.

10Ms of evangelical Bible-humping sheep are exploited, suckered, duped by the oligarchy's hateful, fake hate of LGBT, abortion, gun laws to vote political power to the oligarchy.

[Winehole23]

Why do white supremacists always play the "chicago" card?
FOX news trained you magnificently!instant resort to name-calling seems to be your calling card

it does you little credit.

[boutons_deux]

"Why do white supremacists always play the "chicago" card?"

it's racist dig on their hated knitter Obama, who lived, "socialistically community organized",politicked there.

[Spurtacular]

You don't give a shit about anything in life except the fact that other people give a shit about something in life.

He should learn compassion from our resident sociopath.

[Pavlov]

He should learn compassion from our resident sociopath.lol poor bitter derp

[Spurtacular]

lol poor bitter derp

lol That you think your sociopathy is something for me to be bitter about.

[boutons_deux]

Nothing will be resolved in Khashoggi murder with ‘crown princes’ Kushner and bin Salman covering it up: Ex-State Dept official

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Mohammed-bin-Salman-and-Jared-Kushner.jpg

“Our foreign policy is being run by a man who values close political and business ties over anything that has to do with real national security interests,”

Haq explained to host Joy Reid.

“He has business interests in Riyadh, the capital, and Jeddah,

about his hotels which pre-date him becoming president,

part of why he went there as his first trip.”

“The Saudis realized very early on all they had to do was just flatter and court him

— again, this a common theme of people that Trump decides to play nice with,” she continued. “

And in return, what they’ve gotten is a relationship between two crown princes …

Mohammed bin Salman on the one side and Jared Kushner on the other.”

Haq focused on the fact that

Saudi Arabia has refused to speak to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo or Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley.
“And Jared Kushner is the first to take a phone call on this and the Saudis —

once this erupted in the media, because of intrepid reporting, not because of information coming from the White House —

the Saudis insisted they would only speak with Jared Kushner, they would not talk to Pompeo, they would not talk to Nikki Haley.”

“The fact that Jared Kushner is leading this shows that the

Trump administration is far more concerned about maintaining it’s personal relationship with Saudi Arabia than any security interest in the United States,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/nothing-will-resolved-khashoggi-murder-crown-princes-kushner-bin-salman-covering-ex-state-dept-official/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/nothing-will-resolved-khashoggi-murder-crown-princes-kushner-bin-salman-covering-ex-state-dept-official/)

[Pavlov]

lol That you think your sociopathy is something for me to be bitter about.I didn't say that. I said poor bitter derp.

You are obsessed with me though, along with your other perceived enemies here.

[DMC]

DMC seems to be complaining about things people care about only because journalists brought it to their attention.

For example, rather than describing warrantless body cavity searches of US citizens by Border Patrol as egregious, he describes the attention paid as "trendy."

He's not wrong about that, but it's interesting that he puts the emphasis on the media scrum rather than the abusive state power that drew its attention.

Because the latter fuels the trend.

[DMC]

You don't give a shit about anything in life except the fact that other people give a shit about something in life.

2 cent internet psychiatry fag ^

Analyze why you mass post shit retorts ad nauseum

[Pavlov]

2 cent internet psychiatry fag ^

Analyze why you mass post shit retorts ad nauseumlol triggered

[Spurtacular]

I didn't say that. I said poor bitter derp.

You are obsessed with me though, along with your other perceived enemies here.

:lol You chose to be "obsessed" with me first, not the other way around.

[Pavlov]

:lol You chose to be "obsessed" with me first, not the other way around.lol no.

You cry out for men here day and night.

[Spurtacular]

lol no.

You cry out for men here day and night.

:lmao I haven't used the mention function for weeks.
:lmao Sociopath couldn't help himself.

[Pavlov]

:lmao I haven't used the mention function for weeks.Now you use the quote function and fly into personal attacks that have nothing to do with anything being discussed.

You're still incredibly obsessed.

lol derp

[Spurtacular]

Now you use the quote function and fly into personal attacks that have nothing to do with anything being discussed.

You're still incredibly obsessed.

lol derp

:lmao If that's your definition, then you just admitted to calling out for men day and night.
:lmao Today's sociopath.

[Chucho]

DMC and Spurt combining for a W...

[Pavlov]

:lmao If that's your definition, then you just admitted to calling out for men day and night.
:lmao Today's sociopath.Nope. I'm discussing the topic. You had one throwaway post about the topic now all you want to do is say your crutch words.

[Spurtacular]

Nope. I'm discussing the topic. You had one throwaway post about the topic now all you want to do is say your crutch words.

Stop crying out for men.

[Pavlov]

Stop crying out for men.Stop using your crutch words that have nothing to to with any topic.

[Winehole23]

Because the latter fuels the trend.Not sure I get you. You're saying negative coverage of bad policies and police thuggery causes the same?

[DMC]

Not sure I get you. You're saying negative coverage of bad policies and police thuggery causes the same?

No, I'm saying the short-lived trendy fake concern over these things is fueled by people pretending to be upset about things that they do nothing about other than run their suck online. Everyone is a keyboard warrior. If it bothers you go do something about it.

People are free to talk about whatever they like and I am free to not play along with the trendy wave of false hand wringing.

[Winehole23]

petty whining about petty whining.

suit yourself.

[Pavlov]

petty whining about petty whining.

suit yourself.:lol he'll do anything possible to avoid actually having a take here. Personal attacks are his favorite.

[boutons_deux]

SA massive human right violations, beheadings, Wahhabi terrorism, slaughter in Yemen, murdering journalists

BigOil and MIC tell Trash don't interfere with our profits.

USA promoting peace, freedom, democracy

democracy in USA? G M A F B

[boutons_deux]

Don Trump Jr. just used his Twitter account to fuel a disgusting smear
campaign against murdered journalist

the right-wing unveiled a disgusting smear campaign against Khashoggi this afternoon,

accusing him of having been linked to terrorist organization al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden in the late 1980s,

which…somehow justifies his gruesome murder (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/turks-tell-us-officials-they-have-audio-and-video-recordings-that-support-conclusion-khashoggi-was-killed/2018/10/11/119a119e-cd88-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.7b4bfd7a7742) as he was trying to fill out paperwork in order to marry his Turkish wife. (https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/12/middleeast/khashoggi-saudi-turkey-recordings-intl/index.html)

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3732285449/1938924aa3cc46d8693f3ef46d3fd814_normal.png (https://twitter.com/pspoole)
Patrick Poole@pspoole
(https://twitter.com/pspoole)
I didn’t realize until yesterday that

Jamal Khashoggi was the author of this notorious 1988 Arab News article of him tooling around Afghanistan with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda co-founder Abdullah Azzam.

He’s just a democrat reformer journalist holding a RPG with jihadists.

12:46 PM - Oct 12, 2018 (https://twitter.com/pspoole/status/1050804806997151745)

As stupid as he is malicious, the President’s son

Donald Trump Jr. retweeted the disingenuous attack after the toxic mess had been enriched with some classic Trumpian anti-media hate from living Q-tip Sean Davis,

the co-founder of right-wing sexual frustration and rape apologia outlet called the Federalist.

https://washingtonpress.com/wp-content/uploads/djt-6.jpg

The problem with the supposedly damning scoop from Junior, Davis, and Poole is that

during the 1988s, the United States was arming and training Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda as part of their proxy war against the Soviet Union.
It wouldn’t have been weird at all for a journalist to be embedded with the mujahadeen fighting off the Soviet invasion;

for perspective, here’s a picture of a U.S. politician, Rep. Charles Wilson (D-TX), “tooling around” Afghanistan:

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/10/12/don-trump-jr-just-used-his-twitter-account-to-fuel-a-disgusting-smear-campaign-against-murdered-journalist-2/?fbclid=IwAR2UJB1pG-gppPe948zR4putmrjJzjQEURs1UgcofvQwdu8yOOPBX46sAqg

[Pavlov]

during the 1988s, the United States was arming and training Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda as part of their proxy war against the Soviet Union.That part is fake news. OBL didn't have and didn't want anything to do with the American aid and training in Afghanistan.

[Winehole23]

:lol he'll do anything possible to avoid actually having a take here. Personal attacks are his favorite.Eh, DMC does topical conversation from time to time. He and me talked a little bit in this thread, though we did not agree.

No one totally abstains from the flame war. Not even El Nono, who tries.

[ElNono]

No, I'm saying the short-lived trendy fake concern over these things is fueled by people pretending to be upset about things that they do nothing about other than run their suck online. Everyone is a keyboard warrior. If it bothers you go do something about it.

People are free to talk about whatever they like and I am free to not play along with the trendy wave of false hand wringing.

Expressing an opinion is, even if minimally, doing something about it. ie: there's so much bitching about the mainstream media forming opinions, brainwashing and driving narratives, that, well, if all that didn't matter or didn't produce tangible social changes, then they wouldn't be important and there would be no bitching about it, right? Journalism is indeed a power, but it derives it's power largely from public opinion.

Except for very vapid and superficial takes, the exchange of ideas is always utilitarian, even if it doesn't necessarily address the center of attention. Heck, there's even some fiction that's utilitarian, despite not being fact.

[boutons_deux]

That part is fake news. OBL didn't have and didn't want anything to do with the American aid and training in Afghanistan.

but America was arming and financing the Afghans against Russia, so Khashoggi in contact with Afghans was anti-American as DJT Jr etc tweeted

OBL didn't get pissed at USA until after Desert Storm when USA occupied SA, defiling SA's sacred sands, causing OBL to attack WTC

[CosmicCowboy]

a good read:

https://spectator.us/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi/

Not saying getting cut into steaks was justified but the dude was no saint either. Its a shitty situation all around.

[DMC]

Expressing an opinion is, even if minimally, doing something about it. ie: there's so much bitching about the mainstream media forming opinions, brainwashing and driving narratives, that, well, if all that didn't matter or didn't produce tangible social changes, then they wouldn't be important and there would be no bitching about it, right? Journalism is indeed a power, but it derives it's power largely from public opinion.

Except for very vapid and superficial takes, the exchange of ideas is always utilitarian, even if it doesn't necessarily address the center of attention. Heck, there's even some fiction that's utilitarian, despite not being fact.

It's called religion.

Anyhow how, the way to deal with most issues in this country is to vote either with your ballot or with your wallet. Petition your government, write letters to your congressman, do that shit. That's doing something about it.

Or I could just start threads expressing outrage over this or that until the trend fades.

[Chucho]

That part is fake news. OBL didn't have and didn't want anything to do with the American aid and training in Afghanistan.

LOL, Boots caught spreading more batshit lies.

[Winehole23]

pure speculation, but plausible: a three way deal.

the US gets Brunson, the Saudis get Khashoggi and Turkey gets billions in exchange for evidence of the crime.


Its being reported a deal to release Andrew Brunson has been reached between US and Turkey. This could be unrelated but as I said in other thread it might be related to the Khashoggi event. Question is what Turkey gets in return from the US which no doubt will come from the Saudis. In other words, Khashoggi event has been staged to provide a cover so the US will not be seen as paying for a hostage. Saudis concede something to Turkey and it will be written off as compensation for kidnapping or even murdering Khashoggi. Could the US have agreed to sacrifice Khashoggi for Brunson?http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/10/khashoggi-burial-negotiations-commence-saudis-will-cough-up-billions-to-settle-the-case.html#more

[DMC]

^That's always helpful. Deep state conspiracies.

[Winehole23]

just spitballing. what are discussion boards for?

if you had to guess, what happened here?

[Winehole23]

“The potential murder of a high-profile journalist critical of their regime raises grave concerns for us, and we appeal to the leaders of Saudi Arabia to restrict their extrajudicial murders to Yemeni people who don’t have any public platform,” said President Trump, adding that the White House would not sit idly by as the Saudis caused the deaths of innocent people unless they were Yemeni children in a school bus or a group of Yemeni people attending a wedding. “The United States asks Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to content himself with killings that don’t affect business deals or call our diplomatic ties into question, such as airstrikes on Yemeni infrastructure, fueling mass cholera outbreaks, or blocking food and medical supplies from reaching civilians. Look, we don’t even mind if you dismember and murder people inside the Turkish consulate, as long as they’re unknown Yemenis whose deaths won’t cause an international scandal. For the sake of all parties, we demand that the Saudis only kill people who hardly anyone in America cares about.” https://politics.theonion.com/trump-administration-urges-saudis-to-stick-to-killing-r-1829713565

[Winehole23]

the KSA vows retaliation for any eventual sanctions:

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1387541

[ElNono]

It's called religion.

lol... yeah, although that's debatable in present times, IMVHO. I don't renege (much) about it, since it helps some people.


Anyhow how, the way to deal with most issues in this country is to vote either with your ballot or with your wallet. Petition your government, write letters to your congressman, do that shit. That's doing something about it.

Or I could just start threads expressing outrage over this or that until the trend fades.

I can certainly agree that the former is a more direct approach. But I wouldn't necessarily berate the latter. Sure, there's the boutons and Chris with their moral relativism, but they're easy to skip, and we can still have an amenable discussion about, for example, rationality, despite that. I think it can be worthwhile, sometimes enlightening, sometimes just entertaining.

[boutons_deux]

Not saying getting cut into steaks was justified but the dude was no saint either. Its a shitty situation all around.

the "both sides" argument, the killers were bad and so was the killed.

what capital crime(s) did he commit that justified assassination?

[DMC]

lol... yeah, although that's debatable in present times, IMVHO. I don't renege (much) about it, since it helps some people.



I can certainly agree that the former is a more direct approach. But I wouldn't necessarily berate the latter. Sure, there's the boutons and Chris with their moral relativism, but they're easy to skip, and we can still have an amenable discussion about, for example, rationality, despite that. I think it can be worthwhile, sometimes enlightening, sometimes just entertaining.

So here's my take:

It doesn't make any sense to lure someone into such a high profile location to murder them in such an overbearing way. Saudis could have easily killed him anywhere between Saudi Arabia and the US. They could have killed him in a drive by shooting, or poisoned him. If they had people fly in using a private jet, 15 people, to kill one man in a government building where cameras exist outside to see him coming and the fact he didn't leave, and they allow his tag along to live... that seems sloppy or staged. I'm not saying he's not dead, but we're not talking about ISIS here. We're talking about incredibly wealthy monarchy dealing with a resident of the USA in a suspiciously overt manner. Sometimes though a duck is a duck.

[Chris]

lol... yeah, although that's debatable in present times, IMVHO. I don't renege (much) about it, since it helps some people.



I can certainly agree that the former is a more direct approach. But I wouldn't necessarily berate the latter. Sure, there's the boutons and Chris with their moral relativism, but they're easy to skip, and we can still have an amenable discussion about, for example, rationality, despite that. I think it can be worthwhile, sometimes enlightening, sometimes just entertaining.

Lumping me in with boots, someone doesn't like being wrong ^

I'm always on your mind and you are basically asking for a safe space for your 'discussions.' You're a chickenshit just like the rest.

[ElNono]

So here's my take:

It doesn't make any sense to lure someone into such a high profile location to murder them in such an overbearing way. Saudis could have easily killed him anywhere between Saudi Arabia and the US. They could have killed him in a drive by shooting, or poisoned him. If they had people fly in using a private jet, 15 people, to kill one man in a government building where cameras exist outside to see him coming and the fact he didn't leave, and they allow his tag along to live... that seems sloppy or staged. I'm not saying he's not dead, but we're not talking about ISIS here. We're talking about incredibly wealthy monarchy dealing with a resident of the USA in a suspiciously overt manner. Sometimes though a duck is a duck.

Reminds me of the abduction of Adolf Eichmann. Maybe they wanted to just abduct him and bring him to 'trial' in Saudi Arabia, and when they realized it was being recorded, they had to clean up. Or maybe because he had contacts or maybe even political protection in an ally like the US, they just had to disappear him. There's really little doubt he walked into the building and didn't come out, from even video footage and a family member waiting for him.

We like to call these ops 'extraordinary rendition', the Saudi version does look sloppy as fuck though, tbh...

[Pavlov]

So here's my take:

It doesn't make any sense to lure someone into such a high profile location to murder them in such an overbearing way. Saudis could have easily killed him anywhere between Saudi Arabia and the US. They could have killed him in a drive by shooting, or poisoned him. If they had people fly in using a private jet, 15 people, to kill one man in a government building where cameras exist outside to see him coming and the fact he didn't leave, and they allow his tag along to live... that seems sloppy or staged. I'm not saying he's not dead, but we're not talking about ISIS here. We're talking about incredibly wealthy monarchy dealing with a resident of the USA in a suspiciously overt manner. Sometimes though a duck is a duck.I haven't seen much evidence to prove they are subtle about such things or think them through. After all, they're having their economic summit in the same hotel they imprisoned and tortured their more wealthy citizens before they gave up large portions of their fortunes.

[DMC]

Reminds me of the abduction of Adolf Eichmann. Maybe they wanted to just abduct him and bring him to 'trial' in Saudi Arabia, and when they realized it was being recorded, they had to clean up. Or maybe because he had contacts or maybe even political protection in an ally like the US, they just had to disappear him. There's really little doubt he walked into the building and didn't come out, from even video footage and a family member waiting for him.

We like to call these ops 'extraordinary rendition', the Saudi version does look sloppy as fuck though, tbh...

The Mossad would have erased him much more cleanly.

[ElNono]

The Mossad would have erased him much more cleanly.

No doubt.

[Chris]

"We're going to get to the bottom of it, and there will be severe punishment."
-Trump

[ElNono]

What do you think Chris? What are your thoughts on this atrocity?


Third world issues tbh


Keep us posted when you're told what to think about this, tbh...


Sure thing pal.







"We're going to get to the bottom of it, and there will be severe punishment."
-Trump


:tu

[Chris]

^ that doesn't make any sense

A quote from Trump equals an opinion from me?


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[Pavlov]

^ that doesn't make any sense

A quote from Trump equals an opinion from me?


https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F6L015gM EW3pFC%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1So what were you told to think about it, Chris?

[pgardn]

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F6L015gM EW3pFC%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1

Displaying of the neck flab.
But that together with Bill Clinton’s bulbous nose and you could make a hell of an old soup stock.

-Jeffrey Dahmer

[CosmicCowboy]

the "both sides" argument, the killers were bad and so was the killed.

what capital crime(s) did he commit that justified assassination?

Meh. Clearly we can't apply our value system to the rest of the world. Its a brutal fucking culture over there.

[Chris]

So what were you told to think about it, Chris?

My opinion is that we should get all the intel we can before we start a war with Saudi Arabia. They deny it. We are looking in to it. Simple stuff.

[Winehole23]

Meh. Clearly we can't apply our value system to the rest of the world. Its a brutal fucking culture over there.The US Army has stomped all over the Middle East and South Asia. It's a brutal culture over here too.

[Pavlov]

My opinion is that we should get all the intel we can before we start a war with Saudi Arabia. They deny it. We are looking in to it. Simple stuff.No one said anything about starting a war with anyone Chris.

So you're still waiting to be told what to think.:tu

Simple stuff, indeed.

[CosmicCowboy]

The US Army has stomped all over the Middle East and South Asia. It's a brutal culture over here too.

Yep. Funny that everyone has their wad up on this one.

[Winehole23]

oh you think it's funny?

[Pavlov]

Yep. Funny that everyone has their wad up on this one.Yep, concern of any kind for anything is for pussies.

[Chris]

No one said anything about starting a war with anyone Chris.

So you're still waiting to be told what to think.:tu

Simple stuff, indeed.

Yes, I like to look at the facts before talking out of my ass. Call me crazy!

[Pavlov]

Yes, I like to look at the facts before talking out of my ass. Call me crazy!You can't even say this murder is a bad thing, Chris.:tu

[Chris]

You can't even say this murder is a bad thing, Chris.:tu

That's general consensus, why would you need my affirmation?

[CosmicCowboy]

oh you think it's funny?
Actually, yeah. We have turned our head as hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed in yemen. Guess this one is 1000000x more important.

[Pavlov]

That's general consensus, why would you need my affirmation?You still can't say it.:lmao

[Winehole23]

Actually, yeah. We have turned our head as hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed in yemen. Guess this one is 1000000x more important.It's possible to care about both

[Pavlov]

It's possible to care about bothTrump supporters get upset at the thought of caring about anything besides Trump for some reason.

[Chris]

You still can't say it.:lmao

Oh I get it. Because Trump called Fake News the enemy of the people you think I'm in favor of journalists getting murdered.

You're easily programmed.

[Pavlov]

Oh I get it. Because Trump called Fake News the enemy of the people you think I'm in favor of journalists getting murdered.

You're easily programmed.No one ever said that either, Chris.

You're super defensive here, and yet you still can't say this guy's murder is a bad thing.

[Chris]

No one ever said that either, Chris.

You're super defensive here, and yet you still can't say this guy's murder is a bad thing.

This guy's murder is a bad thing.

[Pavlov]

This guy's murder is a bad thing.I know that was really difficult for you to say without instructions from higher up.:tu

[CosmicCowboy]

It will blow over. Dont expect any major saudi sanctions. We are too invested in them.

[Chris]

I know that was really difficult for you to say without instructions from higher up.:tu

:rolleyes

[DMC]

It's possible to care about both

But we don't. That's the point.

[ElNono]

My opinion is that we should get all the intel we can before we start a war with Saudi Arabia. They deny it. We are looking in to it. Simple stuff.

You said it was a third world problem... America first... well, when you had to think by yourself anyways...

[ElNono]

^ that doesn't make any sense

See? makes complete sense now that you have a new opinion on the matter... :lol

https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Donald-Trump-Media-Outlets-Roasting.jpg

[ElNono]

Yep. Funny that everyone has their wad up on this one.

Because the Saudis are testing the limits, tbh... It wasn't even in their country (and yes, I know technically, their embassy is their sovereignty due to diplomatic arrangements, but you know what I mean). It's brazen shit, more than shocking.

[Winehole23]

But we don't. That's the point.For whom do you presume to speak?

Me? You?

The US Government?

[Winehole23]

I started posting about the US drone war in Yemen in this forum in 2013.

In 2015 it was hardly fashionable to fuss about civilian casualties in the US backed, Saudi led bombing campaign in Yemen, but I posted about that too.

[Winehole23]

The furore over the Khashoggi disappearance may not seem duly genuine to you, well and fine. Regardless of your indifference, consequences for the KSA and its crown prince -- and for US/Saudi relations -- could be very real.

It's newsworthy despite your hand waving about its insignificance.

[in2deep]

Saudi issues Statement on this topic and possible US sanctions. They basically said fuck you Trump and fuck you America. If yu touch us you will not only make Iran great again but will force us to fuck you like we fuck our prized Camels with botox

saudi statement:

Riyadh is the capital of its oil, and touching this would affect oil production before any other vital commodity. It would lead to Saudi Arabia's failure to commit to producing 7.5 million barrels. If the price of oil reaching $80 angered President Trump, no one should rule out the price jumping to $100, or $200, or even double that figure.An oil barrel may be priced in a different currency, Chinese yuan, perhaps, instead of the dollar. And oil is the most important commodity traded by the dollar today.
All of this will throw the Middle East, the entire Muslim world, into the arms of Iran, which will become closer to Riyadh than Washington.
...
The US will also be deprived of the Saudi market which is considered one of the top 20 economies in the world.
These are simple procedures that are part of over 30 others that Riyadh will implement directly, without flinching an eye if sanctions are imposed on it, according to Saudi sources who are close to the decision-makers.
The truth is that if Washington imposes sanctions on Riyadh, it will stab its own economy to death, even though it thinks that it is stabbing only Riyadh!


US will probably back down

[boutons_deux]

Of course, oil at $100+ would enrich BigOil by $10Bs / year, and BigOil makes US foreign policy (eg, Iraq War for oil), not politicians.

[in2deep]

Israelis obviously are very quiet and secretly supporting and helping Saudis. This is yet another golden opportunity to get them hook line and siker. If they somehow can protect BinSalman the Clown Prince, they will own him for the rest of his days and he would do their bidding

jerusalem post:

Eran Lerman, the vice president of the Jerusalem Institute for Strategic Studies and a former deputy national security council head, said: “It is certainly not in our interests to see the status of the Saudi government diminished in Washington.”
...
Lerman envisions a scenario where Jewish political organizations in Washington – such as the American Jewish Committee, which he once worked for as head of its Israel office – may actually go to Capitol Hill, as they have done in the past, and discreetly lobby for the Saudis, something that could paradoxically bring the two countries even closer together.

[in2deep]

I am sure the Russians are also sliming their way into this to gain some easy pickings in the ME

they can even offer Saudis to help make this go away if Saudi finally gives up Syria

[Winehole23]

Saudi issues Statement on this topic and possible US sanctions. They basically said fuck you Trump and fuck you America. If yu touch us you will not only make Iran great again but will force us to fuck you like we fuck our prized Camels with botox

saudi statement:

Riyadh is the capital of its oil, and touching this would affect oil production before any other vital commodity. It would lead to Saudi Arabia's failure to commit to producing 7.5 million barrels. If the price of oil reaching $80 angered President Trump, no one should rule out the price jumping to $100, or $200, or even double that figure.An oil barrel may be priced in a different currency, Chinese yuan, perhaps, instead of the dollar. And oil is the most important commodity traded by the dollar today.
All of this will throw the Middle East, the entire Muslim world, into the arms of Iran, which will become closer to Riyadh than Washington.
...
The US will also be deprived of the Saudi market which is considered one of the top 20 economies in the world.
These are simple procedures that are part of over 30 others that Riyadh will implement directly, without flinching an eye if sanctions are imposed on it, according to Saudi sources who are close to the decision-makers.
The truth is that if Washington imposes sanctions on Riyadh, it will stab its own economy to death, even though it thinks that it is stabbing only Riyadh!


US will probably back downseems to me more probable the KSA will back down. we'll see.

[in2deep]

seems to me more probable the KSA will back down. we'll see.

Depends what is back down to you? They will never admit to killing him. Of course they will offer billions to turkey, US, family as reparations but thats it. Hopefully they also are forced to get out of Syria and Yemen but Iim sure that would be just a temporary show.

[Winehole23]

I don't think the KSA will limit production, build Russian or Chinese bases or price their biggest investment in anything other than dollars.

I do think there's a chance they'll ditch the crown prince.

[boutons_deux]

Of course, Trash's BFF puppetmaster / pimp Pootin and his oil/gas revenue in hard $$$ would also benefit from KSA pushing oil to $100+.

The collapse of oil price in the 1980s is what collapsed the USSR, not St Ronnie the Diseased Useful Idiot

[in2deep]

I don't think the KSA will limit production, build Russian or Chinese bases or price their biggest investment in anything other than dollars.

I do think there's a chance they'll ditch the crown prince.

On the other hand:

I dont think US would sanction Saudi, or even take issue up with UN.

US will most likely make Saudi pay billions in reparations and possibly pin the entire blame on a “rebel” Saudi royal who will be executed as punishment.

[Winehole23]

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[hater]

US will most likely make Saudi pay billions in reparations and possibly pin the entire blame on a “rebel” Saudi royal who will be executed as punishment.

you called dat shit jig :tu

:lol Trump protecting his financiers:

"That being said, the king firmly denied any knowledge of it, he didn't really know. Maybe, I don't want to get into his head, but it sounded to me like maybe these could have been rogue killers, who knows," Trump told reporters.

[hater]

:lmao rogue killers :lol

:lol Kushner

:lmao Trump

Called dat shit(TM) :tu

[pgardn]

Israelis obviously are very quiet and secretly supporting and helping Saudis. This is yet another golden opportunity to get them hook line and siker. If they somehow can protect BinSalman the Clown Prince, they will own him for the rest of his days and he would do their bidding

jerusalem post:

Eran Lerman, the vice president of the Jerusalem Institute for Strategic Studies and a former deputy national security council head, said: “It is certainly not in our interests to see the status of the Saudi government diminished in Washington.”
...
Lerman envisions a scenario where Jewish political organizations in Washington – such as the American Jewish Committee, which he once worked for as head of its Israel office – may actually go to Capitol Hill, as they have done in the past, and discreetly lobby for the Saudis, something that could paradoxically bring the two countries even closer together.




The conservative Israeli government is quiet.

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/saudi-crown-prince-s-carefully-managed-rise-hides-dark-side-1.6555677

Just look at the more left leaning papers in Israel and you will see they had already bagged the Saudi “clown” Prince. Looks like he made a very desperate almost divorced from reality hit.

After Trump talked with Putin Trump claimed no election interference because Putin said so. He pulls the same shit here. But his own party in Congress leveled sanctions. So when China’s ambassador to the US he said he’s not sure who speaks for the US on trade deals.... he has a point. So I guess Trump’s strategy of not leading is confusing.

But what the hell.

[pgardn]

But we don't. That's the point.

So foreign affairs are not important on a political discussion board...
Good to know.

[Pavlov]

:lol
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[Winehole23]

Twitterverse speculates Nikki Haley stepped down over this. Resignation letter dated October 3, announcement delayed one week.

[boutons_deux]

Twitterverse speculates Nikki Haley stepped down over this. Resignation letter dated October 3, announcement delayed one week.

SC Haley resigns

Trash fires JeBo

Trash hire Trash-ass-eater SC Graham as AG

Trash appoints Haley as SC Senator

[Pavlov]

SC Haley resigns

Trash fires JeBo

Trash hire Trash-ass-eater SC Graham as AG

Trash appoints Haley as SC SenatorThe governor fills Senate vacancies in SC.

[boutons_deux]

Why Are The Saudis Getting the Russia Rules?

This morning President Trump announced a flat denial from Saudi King Salman (who is not really the effective ruler of the country) and his (Trump’s) suspicion that “rogue killers” are likely behind Khashoggi’s disappearance.

Incredulity is warranted.

This is a carbon copy of what we’ve seen for the last two years in President Trump’s denials of Russian interference in the US elections and other bad acts.

You have the same kinds of alternative theories – 400 pound guy in a basement, “rogue killers”.

given the geopolitical situation and the parlous state of the Turkish economy,

there’s really no clear reason for the Turks to provoke a confrontation with the Saudis.

This is a carbon copy of how President Trump deals with anything tied to Vladimir Putin and Russia.

There’s every reason to think the reasons are also the same – some mix of threat or personal enrichment.

President Trump says his $110 billion arms deal is too much to risk.

That deal doesn’t exist.

It’s a mix of Obama-era deals,

a portion of genuinely new purchases and

a lot of what amounts to letters of intent.

It is all spread over many years.

It’s another Trump smoke and mirrors claim.

The geopolitics are much more of an issue for the US than those arms sales.

And in any case, President Trump does not care about any of that.

President Trump acts likes this when there’s something personal or familial at stake.

We already know the Trump Family and the Saudis have deep economic ties and multiple business deals.

What are the business and other ties binding the Trump and Kushner families to the Saudi regime?

(https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/why-are-the-saudis-getting-the-russia-rules)https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/why-are-the-saudis-getting-the-russia-rules

Jared has visited SA several times.

Trash's FIRST foreign trip was to SA, instead of to traditional Western allies, neighbors.

US foreign policy is dependent on Trash's and his mafiya's finances.

Pootin bought/owns Trash, along with SA Prince as Trash-purchaser in progress.

[boutons_deux]

SAUDI AND EMIRATI PRINCES FEUD OVER

WHO HAS MORE CONTROL OF JARED KUSHNER :lol

Mohammed bin Salman and Mohammed bin Zayed are reportedly both claiming credit for getting Rex Tillerson fired.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/03/saudi-arabia-united-arab-emirates-jared-kushner-robert-mueller

[Pavlov]

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Maybe it was a rogue 400 pound Chinese interrogator....

[hater]

Twitterverse speculates Nikki Haley stepped down over this. Resignation letter dated October 3, announcement delayed one week.

:lmao Nikriwina Halawati cant even plug in a refrigerator much less be knowledgeable of any of this :lmao

Well unless she was tipped off by her masters the Israelis tbqh

[hater]

LOl Saudis always sending 15 men entourage

Need to take down 2 towers, send in 15

Need cleanup in Turkish ailse, sendin 15

[hater]

So retarded sauds are going with the

“Well he died on us while we were stamping his passport, we panicked and chopped him up into pices” defense

:lmao


Im sure US and Israel will accept this apology and move on

Those 15 poor bastards are probably already beheaded and fed to the camels tbqh

[Pavlov]

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[hater]

https://twitter.com/slugn0id/status/1051960000300560384?s=21

[hater]

https://twitter.com/wcziz526ybufe22/status/1051962713625305088?s=21

[DMC]

So foreign affairs are not important on a political discussion board...
Good to know.

Not "we" as in the board, but "we" as in the country, the federal government. Historically we don't care about the many, but we find a sweetheart story and adopt it. We're a nation of token care moments.

[DMC]

For whom do you presume to speak?

Me? You?

The US Government?


Actually, yeah. We have turned our head as hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed in yemen. Guess this one is 1000000x more important.

You have ADD

[hater]

https://twitter.com/bartvargasii/status/1051951391621730305?s=21

Niga fell like Humpty Dumpty and all the kings men could not put humpty together again

Todays closest allies :lmao

[pgardn]

Not "we" as in the board, but "we" as in the country, the federal government. Historically we don't care about the many, but we find a sweetheart story and adopt it. We're a nation of token care moments.

Sweetheart Story????

The world is finding this incident bizzare.
Mainly, because it is.

[Winehole23]

You have ADDGaslighting is a suitable substitute for substantive commentary.

I've been posting about Yemen for far longer than either of you two mofos. But yeah. Take credit for that and call me crazy.