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SuperCam
10-18-2018, 08:02 AM
gm1: J. Teague 8-12 27pts
spursparker9
10-18-2018, 08:23 AM
can't wait for Tony to drop 30
offset formation
10-18-2018, 09:13 AM
Definitely something to monitor.
But the season over season numbers is where it will really show up when this team plus Murray is on the court next year. I think there shouldn't be so many changes like we had this offseason.
Plus, I expect the numbers to improve some even this year as the season progresses, for a few reasons:
1. White will be back in a few weeks and he plays decent defense.
2. The team will grow defensively as the new teammates learn the system.
3. The team will grow defensively as the entire team gels into a more coordinated help defense. Certainly helps to have LMA back there as the anchor.
Just athought, this team could be decent in certain rotations on D. But lord help us if LMA goes down. He is covering up sooo many mistakes right now, really since he got here. He's every bit the stud we needed when he was acquired.
Oh, and fuck Kawhi.
I was reviewing old game notes from last season when I came across a western pg power ranking I made that SA's DJ/Fiddy Meals rotation hypothetically had to eliminate to advance in the postseason. Obviously it still applies for Forbes/Fiddy. I updated it for 2018-19 rosters. Lastly, it's ranked according to my team strength ranking, not the listed players, and only covers my estimated western playoff teams. Feel free to update/tweak/fuck with it.
1. GSW - Stephen Curry/Shaun Livingston
2. UTA - Ricky Rubio/Dante Exum
3. HOU - Chris Paul (no sub because Harden is really the pg for the starters and Pringles only plays 8 guys anyway)
4-6 OKC - Russell Westbrook/Dennis Schroder
4-6. DEN - Jamal Murray/Isaiah Thomas
4-6. NOP - Jrue Holiday/Elfrid Payton
7-8. POR - Damian Lillard/Seth Curry
7-8 SAS - Bryn Forbes/Patty Mills
7-8 LAL - Rajon Rondo/Lonzo Ball
8-9 MIN - Jeff Teague/Tyus Jones
Quickest takeaway is Fiddy won't be a net negative playing against Denver's IT, New Orleans' Payton, Portland's Seth Curry and LAL's Ball. At least we fucking hope not. Forbes will be a net negative playing against all his counterparts, except maybe against Rondo during a hot Forbes shooting streak.
ceperez
10-18-2018, 10:15 AM
I was reviewing old game notes from last season when I came across a western pg power ranking I made that SA's DJ/Fiddy Meals rotation hypothetically had to eliminate to advance in the postseason. Obviously it still applies for Forbes/Fiddy. I updated it for 2018-19 rosters. Lastly, it's ranked according to my team strength ranking, not the listed players, and only covers my estimated western playoff teams. Feel free to update/tweak/fuck with it.
1. GSW - Stephen Curry/Shaun Livingston
2. UTA - Ricky Rubio/Dante Exum
3. HOU - Chris Paul (no sub because Harden is really the pg for the starters and Pringles only plays 8 guys anyway)
4-6 OKC - Russell Westbrook/Dennis Schroder
4-6. DEN - Jamal Murray/Isaiah Thomas
4-6. NOP - Jrue Holiday/Elfrid Payton
7-8. POR - Damian Lillard/Seth Curry
7-8 SAS - Bryn Forbes/Patty Mills
7-8 LAL - Rajon Rondo/Lonzo Ball
8-9 MIN - Jeff Teague/Tyus Jones
Quickest takeaway is Fiddy won't be a net negative playing against Denver's IT, New Orleans' Payton, Portland's Seth Curry and LAL's Ball. At least we fucking hope not. Forbes will be a net negative playing against all his counterparts, except maybe against Rondo during a hot Forbes shooting streak.
Needs update... Donovan Mitchell.
BSfromTX
10-18-2018, 10:20 AM
Teague got to the basket quite a bit in second half against Forbes...
Needs update... Donovan Mitchell.
Spida Don plays the 2. Rubio's sub is Exum, who might give Holiday and Beverley competition as the best defensive pg in the west.
pad300
10-18-2018, 10:31 AM
7-8 SAS - Bryn Forbes/Patty Mills
7-8 LAL - Rajon Rondo/Lonzo Ball
8-9 MIN - Jeff Teague/Tyus Jones
I wouldn't rank a PG rotation of Forbes/Mills ahead of either Rondo/Ball or Teague/Jones.
https://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=3068&player_ids%5B%5D=8&player_ids%5B%5D=16&player_ids%5B%5D=3281&player_ids%5B%5D=3186&player_ids%5B%5D=283&season=2017
r0drig0lac
10-18-2018, 10:35 AM
I wouldn't rank a PG rotation of Forbes/Mills ahead of either Rondo/Ball or Teague/Jones.
https://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=3068&player_ids%5B%5D=8&player_ids%5B%5D=16&player_ids%5B%5D=3281&player_ids%5B%5D=3186&player_ids%5B%5D=283&season=2017
nobody would do
I wouldn't rank a PG rotation of Forbes/Mills ahead of either Rondo/Ball or Teague/Jones.
I don't either hence my disclaimer that I ranked it according to my evaluation of team strength, instead of pg rotation strength. Originally, it was a guide for me to see who a Dejounte/Mills rotation would see and need to beat in the first round, etc.
In the same vein, I also didn't want to make a similar starting backcourt comparison simply because there's no profit in it for the Spurs. With all the star shooting guards in the west, stacking them up against a true Forbes/Fiddy backcourt with Derozen relegated to sf is a very bleak picture. I don't know why we still keep seeing Forbes and Fiddy played together, in clutch stretches no less, except to guess that analytics chief Goldsberry keeps whispering in Pop's ear that Morey's volume shooting strategy for the tandem is a net positive on paper. Forbes and Fiddy as a backcourt is a recipe for disaster.
ThaBigFundamental21
10-18-2018, 04:55 PM
gm1: J. Teague 8-12 27pts
This is where Murray will really be missed.
Mugen
10-18-2018, 05:21 PM
can't wait for Tony to drop 30
Ive been waiting for Tony to drop 30 lbs since 2014, never happened tbh.
ElNono
10-18-2018, 07:51 PM
Our starting PG is injured, tbh... what are we tracking this against?
offset formation
10-18-2018, 07:59 PM
Our starting PG is injured, tbh... what are we tracking this against?
Next season. Patience, grasshopper.
SASdynasty!
10-18-2018, 09:29 PM
Ive been waiting for Tony to drop 30 lbs since 2014, never happened tbh.
Well, he dropped 27 on 79% shooting on the best defensive PG in the NBA...in 2017...in the playoffs...in a closeout game.
DAF86
10-18-2018, 10:15 PM
Lillard's gonna drop 50 on us. :lol
Fireball
10-19-2018, 05:59 AM
Lillard's gonna drop 50 on us. :lol
followed by another 50 from McCollum ...
FireMicoHalili
10-19-2018, 08:37 AM
check this thread: https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1053275635290947584
Someone watched all Teague's possessions. In esse, Teague scored a bulk of his points on Mills instead of Forbes. The lack of defense at point is concerning but it's irrational to pin blame on Forbes solely. Watched the game and it wasn't for lack of trying on Forbes's end. Forbes got paid a contract befitting a bench player and as a shooter off the bench but is now being tasked to do more than he's asked. It's horrible luck for two PGs to go down with the injury bug but I'd still like to think the staff does the best it can with what little it annually has.
I was reviewing old game notes from last season when I came across a western pg power ranking I made that SA's DJ/Fiddy Meals rotation hypothetically had to eliminate to advance in the postseason. Obviously it still applies for Forbes/Fiddy. I updated it for 2018-19 rosters. Lastly, it's ranked according to my team strength ranking, not the listed players, and only covers my estimated western playoff teams. Feel free to update/tweak/fuck with it.
1. GSW - Stephen Curry/Shaun Livingston
2. UTA - Ricky Rubio/Dante Exum
3. HOU - Chris Paul (no sub because Harden is really the pg for the starters and Pringles only plays 8 guys anyway)
4-6 OKC - Russell Westbrook/Dennis Schroder
4-6. DEN - Jamal Murray/Isaiah Thomas
4-6. NOP - Jrue Holiday/Elfrid Payton
7-8. POR - Damian Lillard/Seth Curry
7-8 SAS - Bryn Forbes/Patty Mills
7-8 LAL - Rajon Rondo/Lonzo Ball
8-9 MIN - Jeff Teague/Tyus Jones
Quickest takeaway is Fiddy won't be a net negative playing against Denver's IT, New Orleans' Payton, Portland's Seth Curry and LAL's Ball. At least we fucking hope not. Forbes will be a net negative playing against all his counterparts, except maybe against Rondo during a hot Forbes shooting streak.
White will be back long before the playoffs.
Dhbsr555
10-19-2018, 09:12 AM
We need to hold open tryouts if rondo /ball kill us
SAGirl
10-19-2018, 02:38 PM
well a picture (in this case a video) says more than a 1000 words or so they say...
Patty is like if you were unguarded... Forbes makes more of an effort but he can't keep up and the body language is bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO12zriDaDc
phxspurfan
10-19-2018, 06:49 PM
We need to hold open tryouts if rondo /ball kill us
Oh, they will. Fuckin Dinwiddie and Deangelo Russell would drop 40 on this backcourt.
gospursgojas
10-20-2018, 08:03 PM
Lilliard and McCollum shitting on spurs tonight.
TheGreatYacht
10-20-2018, 11:12 PM
gm1: J. Teague 8-12 27pts
Game 2: D. Lillard 9-15fg, 29pts in 30 minutes
objective
10-20-2018, 11:55 PM
Lillard also had zero turnovers
He felt zero ball pressure.
cd021
10-21-2018, 12:29 AM
This thread is going to get brutal. Hope White can at least defend passibly when he gets back and the Spurs can rely on rim protection against teams without guards that can shoot it as well as CJ and Dame
tim_duncan_fan
10-21-2018, 12:55 AM
Patty is exposed.
Every NBA-quality point guard is going to target him and feast.
phxspurfan
10-21-2018, 02:31 AM
It kinda reminds me of when the Spurs were on national TV that time that Sheed said dude, whenever Bonner is out there just go right at him.
phxspurfan
10-21-2018, 02:33 AM
Lillard and McCollum went for 53 in 30 minutes each? Shit, instead of predicting every backcourt would go for 40, I should’ve predicted every backcourt would go for 50 against us!
phxspurfan
10-21-2018, 02:36 AM
When we play the Rockettes, Harden will get 60 and Paul will get 30.
TheGreatYacht
10-21-2018, 02:53 AM
L:lolnz:lol Ball is next...
This is as easy as it will get in the West. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
TimDunkem
10-21-2018, 03:03 AM
What's funny is that the fluffers put out some ridiculous "analysis" every day discussing what Patty and Forbes can do to be better as if they aren't who they are, and have some much higher ceiling to reach.
They fucking suck and will be exposed just about every game. Can we all just accept that? :lol
SuperCam
10-21-2018, 11:03 AM
Game 2: D. Lillard 9-15fg, 29pts in 30 minutes
lonzo gonna drop 30/15 career high :lol
SAGirl
10-21-2018, 05:46 PM
Paddy Mills was by far the worst...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4luI6uieKYI
What's funny is that he has always been this bad.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ecnYvlGRr30
phxspurfan
10-21-2018, 05:58 PM
Paddy Mills was by far the worst...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4luI6uieKYI
What's funny is that he has always been this bad.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ecnYvlGRr30
What you see on videos like this is Mills and Forbes have no defensive talent/instincts whatsoever. You can only do so much with hustle. You have to have some instincts and talent, and on defense that's something these two don't have and will never have.
NameLess Scrub
10-22-2018, 12:15 PM
Didn't know Murray had lost the entire season.. by what's said in this thread.
spurraider21
10-22-2018, 12:36 PM
Our starting PG is injured, tbh... what are we tracking this against?
ST thinks your gm sucks if your backup and 3rd string point guards dont shut down the opposition
RC_Drunkford
10-22-2018, 12:40 PM
ST thinks your gm sucks if your backup and 3rd string point guards dont shut down the opposition
no, ST thinks your GM sucks if he pays your back up PG 50 million for 4 years and your coach sucks if he plays a 3rd stringer over a 2nd stringer just cause he plays for the team 1 year longer
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