Central America is Invading Mexico

[Winehole23]

Here is some sat scores.what did you get on yours, Mr.Subject-Verb agreement?

[Pavlov]

what did you get on yours, Mr.Subject-Verb agreement?:lmao Nathan is flailing all over the place tonight.

[Nathan89]

Hispanics are too stupid to become Americans.

Neat hypothesis.

Do you live in San Antonio, by any chance?

The title isn't relevant to my quote. I live in a hispanic area in Texas. I have no problem with hispanics on an individual level but if that statement is true then that would be a macro problem for the US.

[Nathan89]

what did you get on yours, Mr.Subject-Verb agreement?

I didn't take the SAT tbh.

[Pavlov]

The title isn't relevant to my quote. I live in a hispanic area in Texas. I have no problem with hispanics on an individual level but if that statement is true then that would be a macro problem for the US.So do you believe that Hispanic immigrants are hopelessly stupid on the whole, Nathan?

Yes or no.

[Pavlov]

I didn't take the SAT tbh.Probably for the best tbh.

[Nathan89]

what's the correlation between an SAT score and a good citizen?

Not sure but I think I'd prefer a smarter populace tbh

[Winehole23]

The title isn't relevant to my quote. I live in a hispanic area in Texas. I have no problem with hispanics on an individual level but if that statement is true then that would be a macro problem for the US.how so?

[Winehole23]

I didn't take the SAT tbh.then how can we tell how seriously to take you? you seem to set a lot of store by it.

[Winehole23]

Not sure but I think I'd prefer a smarter populace tbhyou're already there.

most people are smarter than you.

[Winehole23]

you never said what you think about all the Asians coming here.

[Winehole23]

then how can we tell how seriously to take you? you seem to set a lot of store by it.what's your IQ?

[Nathan89]

So do you believe that Hispanic immigrants are hopelessly stupid on the whole, Nathan?

Yes or no.

I don't know. 3rd generation and beyond aren't converging with the performance of white Americans. That's a problem.

Solution: Stop illegal immigration. Require an IQ test with legal immigration. Don't flood the country with immigrants all at once. Track performance overtime.

That's a cautious approach.

[Winehole23]

:lol.

[Pavlov]

I don't know. 3rd generation and beyond aren't converging with the performance of white Americans. That's a problem.According to Chuck? That guy too racist for the Heritage Foundation?

Your confirmation bias is a problem.


Solution: Stop illegal immigration. Require an IQ test with legal immigration. Don't flood the country with immigrants all at once. Track performance overtime.

That's a cautious approach.The cautious approach would be to not trust a guy trying to publish scientific papers under the name "Chuck."

[Nathan89]

then how can we tell how seriously to take you? you seem to set a lot of store by it.

Do whatever you normally do. I'm talking about a macro issue. I communicate fine with hispanics on a regular basis. I have no problem with them and I don't check their sat scores before having a conversation.

[Pavlov]

Do whatever you normally do. I'm talking about a macro issue. I communicate fine with hispanics on a regular basis. I have no problem with them and I don't check their sat scores before having a conversation.Do you feel superior to them?

[Nathan89]

Do you feel superior to them?

No. I'm talking about a maco issue. This has no barring on how I treat/communicate with people.

[Pavlov]

No. I'm talking about a maco issue. This has no barring on how I treat/communicate with people.Well you should feel superior to them since you think they're so hopelessly stupid.

[Pavlov]

Seriously, who told you about Chuck?

[Nathan89]

Well you should feel superior to them since you think they're so hopelessly stupid.

I don't care if an individual person has below average intelligence. That's not how you approach individuals in the real world.

[Pavlov]

I don't care if an individual person has below average intelligence. That's not how you approach individuals in the real world.But you think most of the Hispanics you meet are hopelessly stupid now and their offspring will be forever. You have to feel superior to them.

[Nathan89]

But you think most of the Hispanics you meet are hopelessly stupid now and their offspring will be forever. You have to feel superior to them.

No, I don't think about this stuff when I meet hispanics.

[Pavlov]

No, I don't think about this stuff when I meet hispanics.But you do think you are superior to most of them, don't you? There's no point to any of this if you consider them your intellectual equals.

[Nathan89]

But you do think you are superior to most of them, don't you? There's no point to any of this if you consider them your intellectual equals.

It's not about a comparison of me to hispanics(I have some hispanic heritage myself btw). It's about recognizing a potential macro issue to the country.

[Winehole23]

No, I don't think about this stuff when I meet hispanics.How can you tell they're not anchor babies?

You're not the least bit sore about them dragging down the mean IQ of the USA?

Think about the future. Your sudden complacency is perplexing. A minute ago, your emphasis on the relative stupidity of hispanics was dire.

[Pavlov]

It's not about a comparison of me to hispanics(I have some hispanic heritage myself btw). It's about recognizing a potential macro issue to the country.Oh shit! You need to recognize you're a potential issue to the country. You should consider self-deporting.

[Winehole23]

That was delightful, Nathan, let's do it again sometime.

Thanks for the laughs.

[Nathan89]

How can you tell they're not anchor babies?

You're not the least bit sore about them dragging down the mean IQ of the USA?

Think about the future. Your sudden complacency is perplexing. A minute ago, your emphasis on the relative stupidity of hispanics was dire.

It's not productive to treat people differently in individual encounters. That doesn't mean macro decision in the best interest of the country don't need to be made.

[Nathan89]

Oh shit! You need to recognize you're a potential issue to the country. You should consider self-deporting.

I've never suggested deporting American citizens.

[Pavlov]

I've never suggested deporting American citizens.I said you should consider self-deportation regardless of your status. You're a potential problem to the country.

[Winehole23]

beaten to the punch

[Winehole23]

Touts racist bullshit in the abstract, but ashamed to stand up for it IRL.

Cowardice of his convictions, you might say.

[Winehole23]

Also, never weighed in on the model minority he started another thread about.

Maybe Nathan doesn't like Asians either, despite their high SAT scores.

Just using the travails of Asians applying to Harvard as a club to bash the libs for their hypocrisy, most likely.

[Winehole23]

Hypothesis: the caravan is a stalking horse. It doesn't matter that so-called illegal immigration is near a four decade low and that the flow of immigration from Mexico has reversed.

It doesn't even matter that the trend is toward Asian immigration. Or that the majority of so-called illegals come here now on airplanes with valid visas.

People are pissed about Mexicans who were given amnesty by Reagan, GHWB, Clinton and GWB who are still here, so they want to take vengeance on Central Americans coming over the southern border now.

[Winehole23]

that they're not taking it out (yet) on (non-Islamic) Asians or Europeans puts the lie to the concern over the scale of the alleged problem. it's racism pure and simple.

bad luck for you if you speak Spanish and have brown skin.

[ElNono]

https://humanvarieties.org/2014/06/25/u-s-ethnicrace-differences-in-aptitude-by-generation-an-exploratory-meta-analysis/

:lol

John Fuerst (online alias: Chuck) is a HBD (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/HBD) pseudoscientist, anti-Semite (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-Semite) and white nationalist (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/White_nationalist) who publishes racist pseudoscience in the far-right Mankind Quarterly (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mankind_Quarterly) and OpenPsych pseudojournals (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/OpenPsych_pseudojournals). He's obsessed with racialism (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racialism) and pretty much only talks about that single topic, dedicating whole blogs to fixate on "racial differences (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/HBD)" e.g. Human Varieties,[1] (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Fuerst#cite_note-1) Occidental Ascent[2] (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Fuerst#cite_note-2) and Race, Genes and Disparity.[3] (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Fuerst#cite_note-3) In 2015, he published a book (over 100 pages) The Nature of Race: the Genealogy of the Concept and the Biological Construct’s Contemporaneous Utility arguing for the existence of biological human races against the scientific consensus (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Racialism#Scientific_consensus:_Races_aren.27t_use ful) they don't exist.

[ElNono]

:lol Winehole beat me to the punch

[ElNono]

There's no "macro issue" when it comes to intelligence because the vast majority of third world country immigrants, legal or not, do not come prepared (be it language or education) to take on high skilled labor right away. That is by design.

The US has been a great destination mostly because Americans are used to a high standard of living, and they simply are unwilling to do the shit jobs for shit pay. Thus the high demand for cheap labor.

The "macro issue" is economic. There's a sizeable amount of our economy running on the backs of these legal/illegal low skilled immigrants that do work that Americans do not want to do, or are simply unwilling to do for the offered pay. Increasing the paid amount makes the US, in the macro, less competitive.

I'm actually NOT a fan of illegal immigration, but has nothing to do with race, but everything to do with following the law and doing what's right.

[Nathan89]

Also, never weighed in on the model minority he started another thread about.

Maybe Nathan doesn't like Asians either, despite their high SAT scores.

Just using the travails of Asians applying to Harvard as a club to bash the libs for their hypocrisy, most likely.

I said I'd give iq tests as a requirement for immigration. Therefore if you do well then could potentially come. Of course there should probably be some cap. So you can probably figure out the answer based on that.

[Nathan89]

Touts racist bullshit in the abstract, but ashamed to stand up for it IRL.

Cowardice of his convictions, you might say.

I didn't say anything racist. Therefore I have nothing to be ashamed of or stand up for irl.

[Nathan89]

Flooding the country with unskilled labor is a major cause for those low wages. Offered pay can simply increase.

[Nathan89]

Illegal immigration from anywhere is unacceptable to make it clear. I think long-term the consequences from some populations could present more challenges though.

To say this is race issue is crap. I also wouldn't want surplus of Euro whites flooding this country. High skilled employees is basically a forced obligation to remain competitive.

[Spurtacular]

Are you saying I'm unstable?

Yes or no.

I'm saying you're a psychopath.

[Pavlov]

I'm saying you're a psychopath.You said I was a sociopath for months, doctor.

Where did you get your psychiatric training to make your diagnoses?

[DMX7]

This is all a sad situation especially for the migrants but Trump's reaction is so over-the-top as usual. I can just see him sitting in front of his TV during "executive time" and having a total freakout seeing the caravan. The fact that it's so slow-moving makes it even more agonizing for him.

[rjv]

U.S. has never stopped invading central america.

[Winehole23]

very true.

the US foments violence, instability and death in Central America -- and has for over one hundred years -- then screams INVASION when people flee to escape it.

[rjv]

the US foments violence, instability and death in Central America -- and has for over one hundred years -- then screams INVASION when people flee to escape it.

[Winehole23]

we're gonna hear about ISIS and SECRET MIDDLE EASTERNERS mixed in with the caravan.

it's a lie.

your president thinks you're morons who will believe in a NATIONAL EMERGENCY based on made up bullshit.

[Winehole23]

his calculation is substantially correct

[rjv]

hell, even the gang affiliation is made up shit. a quick visit to the FBI site would show any one interested in verifying facts that trump is making up shit. again. and his base if falling for it. again.

[Spurminator]

It's total opportunism for Trump's GOP. Nothing plays better on FOX News than hordes of brown people coming for their land.

Might as well go ahead and lump Islamic terrorists in with them. Gotta rally the vote for two weeks.

[rjv]

It's total opportunism for Trump's GOP. Nothing plays better on FOX News than hordes of brown people coming for their land.

Might as well go ahead and lump Islamic terrorists in with them. Gotta rally the vote for two weeks.

indeed. in some ways, it's perfect political timing for the GOP.

[Winehole23]

Flooding the country with unskilled labor is a major cause for those low wages. Offered pay can simply increase.please catch up.

most illegal immigrants these days have college degrees. your characterization of immigrants as flooding the country with unskilled labor is a wildly inaccurate picture

[Winehole23]

I didn't say anything racist. Therefore I have nothing to be ashamed of or stand up for irl.Sure you did, you posted an article from Reason that suggested Hispanics are too stupid to be US citizens and you posted that stuff from Chuck.

[Winehole23]

the real "invading army" is people coming to the USA study, travel and work on legit visas issued by the US State Department.

[Winehole23]

but, brown, poor and Spanish-speaking seems to blot out the rest of the picture -- why is that?

ignorance, racism and propaganda come to mind.

[Nathan89]

Sure you did, you posted an article from Reason that suggested Hispanics are too stupid to be US citizens and you posted that stuff from Chuck.

I posted a quote from an article with a sensationalized title. That's not racist.

[Pavlov]

I posted a quote from an article with a sensationalized title. That's not racist.Who told you about Chuck?

[Nathan89]

Who told you about Chuck?

The search engine.

[Pavlov]

The search engine.What search terms were you using?

[Nathan89]

please catch up.

most illegal immigrants these days have college degrees. your characterization of immigrants as flooding the country with unskilled labor is a wildly inaccurate picture

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/11/03/occupations-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers/

The jobs they do not require college degrees. They don't compete with those that have college degrees. Their education level is not relevant.

[koriwhat]

These immature slap fights really make this forum worth visiting

Yeah, they suck and i totally agree with you.

[koriwhat]

Lmao as pavTheFag spins out of control. Just went and read all that bs about myself being diagnosed as unstable by ST's own beta bitch pavTheFag. As well, pavTheFag diagnosed me as having anger issues which is also news to me.

Truth be told, pavTheFag loves to project and lives within his/her/its make believe world where he/she/it is the center. Kill your ego! There's some wishful thinking for ya!

[Pavlov]

Lmao as pavTheFag spins out of control. Just went and read all that bs about myself being diagnosed as unstable by ST's own beta bitch pavTheFag. As well, pavTheFag diagnosed me as having anger issues which is also news to me.

Truth be told, pavTheFag loves to project and lives within his/her/its make believe world where he/she/it is the center. Kill your ego! There's some wishful thinking for ya!So you hate the immature slap fights and hate wishing death on people?

[SnakeBoy]

I was sympathetic to these people but now that they're letting islamist's tag along with them I say keep them out. It's just too risky.

[FrostKing]

NO

[koriwhat]

So you hate the immature slap fights and hate wishing death on people?

nah, i hate you and even then i really don't hate you because frankly i don't really know you. you're nothing but lackluster entertainment to me pavTheFag.

[Pavlov]

nah, i hate you and even then i really don't hate you because frankly i don't really know you. you're nothing but lackluster entertainment to me pavTheFag.So you don't hate the immature slap fights.

lol

[Pavlov]

:lol Trump and his supporters just want to be helpless victims.1054351529539325953

[Winehole23]

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/11/03/occupations-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers/

The jobs they do not require college degrees. They don't compete with those that have college degrees. Their education level is not relevant.If you say so.

Perhaps the wage pressure on trades that don't require a degree could be relieved by giving immigrants awaiting adjudication permission to work.

[Spurs Homer]

Anyone know any Billionaire's that have been cheated by life and people so bad -
that they are always the victim?


Would anyone here feel like a victim 24/7 if they were a billionaire?


Nothing says, "we are so scared and angry"

over what a bunch of peasants are doing in another country 900 miles away!

Nothing makes the USA look stronger than to have their President threatening countries because there is an ongoing parade in that country!

Help! I'm a terrified snowflake!

[DarrinS]

How far away is the swarthy horde?

[Pavlov]

Close enough for Trump to be terrified.

[koriwhat]

:lol Trump and his supporters just want to be helpless victims.1054351529539325953

Victim of what exactly, your horrible trolling? And where's all these trump supporters you speak of? You'd think this board was full on republican with a handful of libs but i bet it's the other way around.

[koriwhat]

Lol after posting, then those tweets pop up. Damnit!

[Pavlov]

Victim of what exactly, your horrible trolling?Slap fight.


And where's all these trump supporters you speak of?You, for one.

[koriwhat]

You, for one.

How so? Do tell pavTheFag.

[Pavlov]

How so? Do tell pavTheFag.You support Trump.

Pretty simple.

[koriwhat]

You support Trump.

Pretty simple.

i didn't vote for him, or any pres candidate in 2016, and i have never donated to him either. so, again, prove it or stfu already pavTheFag.

[koriwhat]

btw pavTheFag, anyone is better than who you voted for during 2016.

[Pavlov]

i didn't vote for him, or any pres candidate in 2016, and i have never donated to him either. so, again, prove it or stfu already pavTheFag.You defend him at every opportunity and never ever say anything bad about him.

Pretty simple.

[koriwhat]

You defend him at every opportunity and never ever say anything bad about him.

Pretty simple.

i defend common sense and logic. as well, i have said shit about djt.

you're so bitter and troll me because you're so hard up for me to be a djt supporter? lmao you fucking loser!

[Pavlov]

i defend common sense and logic. as well, i have said shit about djt.You whined about all the good things he has done although you couldn't even name one of them.

lol kori

[koriwhat]

You whined about all the good things he has done although you couldn't even name one of them.

lol kori

you whine everyday and i didn't want to rehash shit posted here in threads you were very active in pertaining to the subject at hand. what, you have a shit memory all of a sudden? so very opportunistic of you.

[Pavlov]

you whine everyday and i didn't want to rehash shit posted here in threads you were very active in pertaining to the subject at hand. what, you have a shit memory all of a sudden? so very opportunistic of you.You asked my when you defended Trump.

I told you.

Don't get pissy about it, kori.

[koriwhat]

You asked my when you defended Trump.

I told you.

Don't get pissy about it, kori.

nah, you're brain dead and you can't remember shit. i am usually the one who can't remember shit but this time it's most def you.

and who is pissy? what is this weird fascination you have where i am pissed 24/7? you're such a weird ass egomaniac. it's the same as you wanting me to be this big bad djt supporter; all make believe inside your hollow skull.

[Pavlov]

nah, you're brain dead and you can't remember shit. i am usually the one who can't remember shit but this time it's most def you.You defended Trump.

You support Trump.

Simple.

[koriwhat]

You defended Trump.

You support Trump.

Simple.

simple describes you to a T. keep ruining threads you egocentric psychopath. :tu

[Pavlov]

simple describes you to a T. keep ruining threads you egocentric psychopath. :tuYou'll keep defending and supporting Trump.:tu

[koriwhat]

You'll keep defending and supporting Trump.:tu

nah, i'll just keep calling you a simpleton, retard, egomaniac, psycho, loser, not a man, pussy, faggot, etc... you are what you are pavTheFag!

[hater]

:lmao trump toying with these retarded pussy americans :lmao

“Criminals are invading us! Vote for us”

:lmao

Retarded americans are falling for it :lmao

[Pavlov]

nah, i'll just keep calling you a simpleton, retard, egomaniac, psycho, loser, not a man, pussy, faggot, etc... you are what you are pavTheFag!You'll do all that and defend and support Trump.:tu

[koriwhat]

You'll do all that and defend and support Trump.:tu

inside your pea sized mind, sure. that's where unicorns and a false utopia resides.

[Pavlov]

inside your pea sized mind, sure. that's where unicorns and a false utopia resides.You defended Trump. Why are you trying to deny it, kori?

[koriwhat]

You defended Trump. Why are you trying to deny it, kori?

i defend common sense and logic. just because you and some others want to pile it on djt is not my fault. because it's djt shouldn't mean i look the other way and not address the blind hate you and some others have for the man since running for pres.

did you hate him this much prior to his run or did your heroes tell you to hate him? honest question of which i doubt i'll get an honest answer from you.

[Pavlov]

i defend common sense and logic. just because you and some others want to pile it on djt is not my fault. because it's djt shouldn't mean i look the other way and not address the blind hate you and some others have for the man since running for pres.TLDR: you defended Trump.


did you hate him this much prior to his run or did your heroes tell you to hate him? honest question of which i doubt i'll get an honest answer from you.I thought he was a grifter and pathological liar but relatively harmless. Idiot Republicans gave a monkey a loaded gun.

[Spurs Homer]

i defend common sense and logic. just because you and some others want to pile it on djt is not my fault. because it's djt shouldn't mean i look the other way and not address the blind hate you and some others have for the man since running for pres.

did you hate him this much prior to his run or did your heroes tell you to hate him? honest question of which i doubt i'll get an honest answer from you.

Common sense and logic? Really?

Does a man who:
lies every day
evades taxes
sexually assaults women
has unprotected sex with porn stars
commits felonies
sells out his country
stands next to Putin in Helsinki and sides with Russia and betrays the USA
profits off the presidency

does that guy impress you enough that you must defend him 24/7 and take semen shots to the face and get upset and threaten people whenever they point out to you that you are a Trumptard?

Is it logical that you defend this traitor and attack your fellow citizens in defense of the traitor?
Is it your wish to be lied to every day by the guy that is supposed to be working for you?

Are you using common sense?

(this has nothing to do with: liberals/hillary/obama/soros/left wing- just common sense and logic questions)

:spin:spin

[DarrinS]

Who organizes these swarthy hordes? Embarrassment to shithole countries, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

You said I was a sociopath for months, doctor.

Where did you get your psychiatric training to make your diagnoses?

:lol Chump looking for certification.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/20/7a/ba/207abac4d4226c3446fd135f2ea219a3.jpg

[Pavlov]

:lol Chump looking for certification.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/20/7a/ba/207abac4d4226c3446fd135f2ea219a3.jpgWhere did you get your psychiatric training, doctor?

[Spurtacular]

Where did you get your psychiatric training, doctor?

Your sociopathy is well documented here.

[angrydude]

lol at all you losers too stupid to appreciate the greatest President of your lifetimes.

[Spurtacular]

lol at all you losers too stupid to appreciate the greatest President of your lifetimes.

They're too busy wishing Hillary was bending them over.

[Pavlov]

Your sociopathy is well documented here.Where did you get your psychiatric training, doctor?

[Spurtacular]

Where did you get your psychiatric training, doctor?

This the best you got? You think this is your out? :lmao

[Pavlov]

This the best you got? You think this is your out? :lmao:lol You're having a tough time answering it.

Where did you get your psychiatric training, doctor?

[Spurtacular]

:lol You're having a tough time answering it.

Where did you get your psychiatric training, doctor?

:lmao That you think this is your out.

[Pavlov]

:lmao That you think this is your out.I don't need an out with you.

Ever.

I can see you're too afraid to answer.

lol derp

[Spurtacular]

I don't need an out with you.

Ever.

I can see you're too afraid to answer.

lol derp

You want an out. You're not digging that you've been sized up.

[Pavlov]

You want an out. You're not digging that you've been sized up.:lmao you admitted your first diagnosis was a failure so now you're trying a new crutch word.

lol derp

Keep trying.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao you admitted your first diagnosis was a failure so now you're trying a new crutch word.

lol derp

Keep trying.

:lmao Sociopath truth

[koriwhat]

Common sense and logic? Really?

Does a man who:
lies every day
evades taxes
sexually assaults women
has unprotected sex with porn stars
commits felonies
sells out his country
stands next to Putin in Helsinki and sides with Russia and betrays the USA
profits off the presidency

does that guy impress you enough that you must defend him 24/7 and take semen shots to the face and get upset and threaten people whenever they point out to you that you are a Trumptard?

Is it logical that you defend this traitor and attack your fellow citizens in defense of the traitor?
Is it your wish to be lied to every day by the guy that is supposed to be working for you?

Are you using common sense?

(this has nothing to do with: liberals/hillary/obama/soros/left wing- just common sense and logic questions)

:spin:spin

lmao you're delusional and living in a make believe left utopia as well.

common sense and logic says it was never this crazy when trump was trump and not pres trump or pres elect trump. he was worshiped even by snoop dogg least yall forget.

it's mildly entertaining watching those of you who are foolish enough to buy into the far left's narrative/agenda. yall are being played but hey maybe the other side is too.

[Winehole23]

what the hell are y'all talking about?

[Pavlov]

:lmao Sociopath truth:lol flip-flopping

You have no training whatsoever and now you're panicking.

[benefactor]

what the hell are y'all talking about?
Derp is still using words in the wrong context in an attempt to troll and Chump is using derp's lack of knowledge to as a means to keep him participating in the Chumpdumper rodeo.

[ducks]

Your peoples hero

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1054874705491120133?s=20

[ducks]

US Health Officials say up to 20% of the migrant caravan is carrying antibiotic resistant tuberculosis, 3% are carrying polio and 10% are carrying other serious diseases

[Winehole23]

link?

[Winehole23]

somebody just stuffed a pipe bomb in George Soros's mailbox:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/billionaire-philanthropist-george-soros-home-explosive-device-found/story?id=58683450

[Spurtacular]

:lol flip-flopping

You have no training whatsoever and now you're panicking.

:lol Still hoping this is your out.

[Pavlov]

:lol Still hoping this is your out.Out of what? You just make up shit and repeat it til you believe it and declare internets victory.

You have no training whatsoever and don't even know the meaning of simple words.

lol derp

[in2deep]

Trump using this nothing burger masterfully and his base falling tor it like in the game Lemmings

[in2deep]

US Health Officials say up to 20% of the migrant caravan is carrying antibiotic resistant tuberculosis, 3% are carrying polio and 10% are carrying other serious diseases

Zombies are going to kill us all :lmao

[ducks]

The media tells us that the caravan is entirely made up of smart, ethical, hard working people who just want a better life.

If Central America only produces smart, ethical, hard working people, then why are they leaving Central America to come here?

[CosmicCowboy]

The conventional media story is that this caravan is just fleeing systemic poverty and crime. So who thinks we should just let the caravan in?

[Winehole23]

The conventional media story is that this caravan is just fleeing systemic poverty and crime. So who thinks we should just let the caravan in?you left out political violence. you must not be too familiar with what's been going on in Honduras and Nicaragua.

[in2deep]

The conventional media story is that this caravan is just fleeing systemic poverty and crime. So who thinks we should just let the caravan in?

I dont think anybody says that

the caravan just like the other caravans years before will walk up directly to the border entry and line up to apply for refugee status. From then on the US legal system would take over.

Its not like anyone is going to open the door and let them pour in :lol

plase stop listening to Fox laura ingram and Trump :lol obviously they want to get as many votes as possible this midterms

[CosmicCowboy]

I dont think anybody says that

the caravan just like the other caravans years before will walk up directly to the border entry and line up to apply for refugee status. From then on the US legal system would take over.

Its not like anyone is going to open the door and let them pour in :lol

plase stop listening to Fox laura ingram and Trump :lol obviously they want to get as many votes as possible this midterms

They are overwhelmed and years behind. Call it what it is. Catch and release in the US.

[CosmicCowboy]

you left out political violence. you must not be too familiar with what's been going on in Honduras and Nicaragua.

There are roughly 15 million people in Honduras and Nicaragua that could claim the same thing. Should we let them all in?

[Winehole23]

gutless fear of people seeking a better life

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you guys aware that these people could apply for asylum without walking to the border?

[CosmicCowboy]

gutless fear of people seeking a better life

So you are in favor of abolishing borders and letting anyone in that wants a "better life"?

[Winehole23]

Nope. Just in favor of an orderly system to deal with it.

[Winehole23]

Are you guys aware that these people could apply for asylum without walking to the border?there might be urgent reasons to physically leave the countries of origin and actually, you have no idea how many people in the caravan did seek help at US embassies.

[Winehole23]

There are roughly 15 million people in Honduras and Nicaragua that could claim the same thing. Should we let them all in?

if you're really concerned about illegal immigration, you should pay more attention to people who come here on planes with valid visas, than the swarthy horde slowly moving in this direction.

[CosmicCowboy]

Nope. Just in favor of an orderly system to deal with it.

I am too, but this mob shit isn't it. I'm all for background checks, green cards, and a path to citizenship for the good ones along with mandatory employer e-verify. No documents, no work.

[Winehole23]

it is one hundred percent legal under US law to present yourself at any border or any US embassy to ask for asylum, no matter how you entered the country.

if you don't like it you should ask Trump and the majority Republican US Congress to change the law.

[Winehole23]

one wonders why they haven't already.

[CosmicCowboy]

it is one hundred percent legal under US law to present yourself at any border or any US embassy to ask for asylum, no matter how you entered the country.

if you don't like it you should ask Trump and the majority Republican US Congress to change the law.

They need the house and 60 in the Senate to get anything done. Trumps offer a few months ago was a good start and the Democrats shit on it because it included increased border security.

[Winehole23]

too bad Trump couldn't get the job done, but go ahead, blame the Dems for his failures

[CosmicCowboy]

Plus, "wanting a better economic life" is not a valid asylum issue.

[Nathan89]

gutless fear of people seeking a better life

We should open the borders to the billions of others that want to "seek a better life" while we are at it.

[CosmicCowboy]

too bad Trump couldn't get the job done, but go ahead, blame the Dems for his failures

It's too valuable as a democratic football to ever resolve it.

[Winehole23]

Plus, "wanting a better economic life" is not a valid asylum issue.the applicants get to speak for themselves, and US officials decide whether what they say is believable.

[Spurminator]

This is such great television for conservatives. "OMG LOOK AT ALL THE BROWN PEOPLE COMING FOR OUR BORDER!!"

After the election no one will be talking about it anymore and we'll have moved on to the next crisis.

You guys should try not to be so predictable.

[Winehole23]

It's too valuable as a democratic football to ever resolve it.how so?

[ducks]

I have been to Honduras very poor country
have to have security guards to watch your house when you leave. but it is what it is
there is no reason if they get rid of corruption they could not be a much richer country
if they do not change when the get to the usa soil the usa will be just like their country

[Winehole23]

We should open the borders to the billions of others that want to "seek a better life" while we are at it.literally no one -- besides a few lonely anarcho-capitalists -- is for that.

no one in this thread has said they are for open borders, who the hell are you talking about?

[Winehole23]

I have been to Honduras very poor country
have to have security guards to watch your house when you leave. but it is what it is
there is no reason if they get rid of corruption they could not be a much richer country
if they do not change when the get to the usa soil the usa will be just like their countrylast time they tried to there was a coup and the US backed the leader of the coup. 2009. I believe.

[Winehole23]

in b4 HRC deserves the blame, she does

[Nathan89]

literally no one -- besides a few lonely anarcho-capitalists -- is for that.

no one in this thread has said they are for open borders, who the hell are you talking about?

False.

Then don't position the situation as people standing in the way of people that "just want a better life". Billions want a better life. Wanting a better life therefore isn't worth mentioning. But you just wanted paint a bully vs victim picture.

[Winehole23]

dude, you barely make sense.

I don't believe in open borders.

My fleeting mockery of conservative cowards who can't stand the fact that it is legal for refugees to apply for asylum wouldn't work if there wasn't border enforcement.

[Winehole23]

"Open borders" is strawmanning and pure political cant.

No one is actually for it.

[rjv]

last time they tried to there was a coup and the US backed the leader of the coup. 2009. I believe.

the U.S. technically didn't "back it" but they refused to place sanctions on the government that replaced zelaya. she and obama considered the sanctions until hillary's good friend and corporate lobbyist, lanny davis, convinced her otherwise. our banks were happy, in other words. of course, the GOP has their fair share of central american indiscretions, most of those taking place under reagan, who looked the other way while tens of thousands of indigenous people were slaughtered by our banana republics.

[CosmicCowboy]

dude, you barely make sense.

I don't believe in open borders.

My fleeting mockery of conservative cowards who can't stand the fact that it is legal for refugees to apply for asylum wouldn't work if there wasn't border enforcement.

I have no problem with legitimate asylum seekers but the process is broken. When you have 100,000 walk ups the system gets clogged and they release them into the US and make them "promise" to come back for their hearing months later. It's just a dumb system. We need a hard border and have asylum seekers apply from outside. No system will be perfect but we need to at least try. Mandatory e verify with stiff fines for non compliance would be a good start.

[Winehole23]

thanks for filling in the picture, rjv

[Winehole23]

I have no problem with legitimate asylum seekers but the process is broken. When you have 100,000 walk ups the system gets clogged and they release them into the US and make them "promise" to come back for their hearing months later. It's just a dumb system. We need a hard border and have asylum seekers apply from outside. No system will be perfect but we need to at least try. Mandatory e verify with stiff fines for non compliance would be a good start.you're talking about the decided minority of illegal immigrants in 2018.

the majority come here on visas for work, study or travel.

[CosmicCowboy]

you're talking about the decided minority ofillegal immigrants in 2018.

the majority come here on visas for work, study or travel.

Are you ignoring the fact that I keep mentioning everify as a component of the solution? If they can't work they won't want to stay.

[benefactor]

I have been to Honduras very poor country
have to have security guards to watch your house when you leave. but it is what it is
there is no reason if they get rid of corruption they could not be a much richer country
if they do not change when the get to the usa soil the usa will be just like their country
Shut up, stupid.

[Winehole23]

Are you ignoring the fact that I keep mentioning everify as a component of the solution? If they can't work they won't want to stay.what would prevent them?

people need to work, and employers will always willing to break the rules.

[Spurs Homer]

They need the house and 60 in the Senate to get anything done. Trumps offer a few months ago was a good start and the Democrats shit on it because it included increased border security.

Completely false statement - you sound like Trump making up shit.

Trumps offer was shit. He wanted 25 billion, wanted to eliminate LEGAL immigration and return to good ole nazi days - and was upset when Dems told him to go fuck himself.

Remember when Repukes touted "legal" immigration?
Since the traitor in chief took over and his nazi stooge Stephen Miller began to run the nazi operation -

now even legal immigration is on the chopping block. This is the reason Dems took no part in it.

Try using facts.

[Spurs Homer]

I have no problem with legitimate asylum seekers but the process is broken. When you have 100,000 walk ups the system gets clogged and they release them into the US and make them "promise" to come back for their hearing months later. It's just a dumb system. We need a hard border and have asylum seekers apply from outside. No system will be perfect but we need to at least try. Mandatory e verify with stiff fines for non compliance would be a good start.

More false garbage.

Asylum seekers have to go through a process or eventually get deported.

Obama administration had the same issues, made the same errors and eventually they had a system down where 99% of the people released while undergoing the asylum process returned for their hearings. Fox news won't tell you any of this.

If you are fleeing for your life and get sent back to "apply from the outside" you will be dead before your hearing but this is probably what you want anyway.

[DarrinS]

Asylum seekers sure love their flag

:lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNCv3s5tZXE

[Winehole23]

that's idiotic, Darrin.

there's no contradiction there.

[ducks]

This is the reason Dems took no part in it

democracts want to resit everything because trump is winning
he gets the immigration fixed also the media will have a hissy fit

[ducks]

They need the house and 60 in the Senate to get anything done. Trumps offer a few months ago was a good start and the Democrats shit on it because it included increased border security.

truth bomb
to me it made to many illegals citizens but I was ok if it got the wall built

[Winehole23]

Obama deported 3 million.

Who's for open borders?

[ducks]

why not close the loopholes and get the illegal crossingsstop
doing nothing about the wall and things is like putting your head in the sand unless you are for open boarders

[Winehole23]

bullshit.the US border has never been so heavily policed and you largely have Obama to thank for it.

[Winehole23]

rates of crossing are at levels not seen since the early 1970s.

it ain't the 1980s and 1990s anymore.

It isn't even the early 2000s. it isn't a crisis.

[Nathan89]

"Open borders" is strawmanning and pure political cant.

No one is actually for it.

It's not a strawman to bring up open borders when you push a narrative of bad people standing in the way of "people that just want a better life". This narrative essentially justifies open borders even if you don't hold that position.

[ducks]

rates of crossing are at levels not seen since the early 1970s.

it ain't the 1980s and 1990s anymore.

It isn't even the early 2000s. it isn't a crisis.


it is considering what is happening in europe with the open boarder policies their

[ducks]

what is wrong with the usa kids having a better life why does it have to always be the illegals that should get the better life

[Spurs Homer]

why not close the loopholes and get the illegal crossingsstop
doing nothing about the wall and things is like putting your head in the sand unless you are for open boarders

Yes, why not?

GOP has the white house, Senate & House of Rep.

They have all the votes they need to pass any laws they want. Why don't they?

Because stupid people like you will believe their lies and still blame the party with

ZERO power.

They COUNT on idiots like you.

[Nathan89]

Obama deported 3 million.

Who's for open borders?

The party that wants sanctuary cities, to get rid of ICE, is giving illegals the ability to vote in certain areas of the country, and actually has candidates that want open borders.

[Spurminator]

that's idiotic, Darrin.

Evergreen response.

[Spurs Homer]

It's not a strawman to bring up open borders when you push a narrative of bad people standing in the way of "people that just want a better life". This narrative essentially justifies open borders even if you don't hold that position.

Go to the border and just cross back and forth - since you think it is an open border.

Go watch how ms-13 and peasants just cross back and forth at will 24/7.

Oh - FOX news didn't tell you any of that?

[Spurminator]

The party that wants sanctuary cities, to get rid of ICE, is giving illegals the ability to vote in certain areas of the country, and actually has candidates that want open borders.

None of those things has anything to do with borders, and no one is giving illegals the ability to vote, you stupid tool.

[Winehole23]

it is considering what is happening in europe with the open boarder policies theirhuh?

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8UwpenlEA#

[rjv]

Go to the border and just cross back and forth - since you think it is an open border.

Go watch how ms-13 and peasants just cross back and forth at will 24/7.

Oh - FOX news didn't tell you any of that?

someone out there actually thinks we have an open border? :lol

[Pavlov]

The conventional media story is that this caravan is just fleeing systemic poverty and crime. So who thinks we should just let the caravan in?We let three people in last time.

You're getting worked up over nothing.

[ducks]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8UwpenlEA#

wait what we are in 2018 we must except those people now after all they fled europe and bomb the shit out of people weekly monthly yearly

[Spurs Homer]

someone out there actually thinks we have an open border? :lol

One word:

Ducks

[ducks]

Democrats' illegal immigration tune has changed over years despite incoming caravan
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-illegal-immigration-tune-has-changed-over-years-despite-incoming-caravan

[Spurminator]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8UwpenlEA#

Yep. And Obama deported more illegals than any prior President.

Democrats are tough on immigration. Thanks for your support, Darrin. :tu

[ducks]

"First, illegal immigration is wrong ... and a primary goal of comprehensive immigration reform must be to dramatically curtail future illegal immigration."
— Chuck Schumer, 2009

[Nathan89]

None of those things has anything to do with borders, and no one is giving illegals the ability to vote, you stupid tool.

Pretty sure candidates pushing for open borders has something to do with open borders.

Illegals are being allowed to vote on local issues in certain areas of the country.

[ducks]

During a 2008 press conference, Pelosi addressed the “challenge” of illegal immigrants and said “we certainly do not want any more coming in.”

[ducks]

BUILD THE WALL CHEAPER THEN ANYTHING that people would actually do

landmines by the boarder is what germany did and it worked!

[ducks]

In 2013, Pelosi reiterated her support for the border security, urging the House to vote for a bill that “our basic principles” such as securing “our borders.”

But despite her previous views, both Schumer and Pelosi slammed Trump for highlighting the issue of immigration and the caravan heading to the U.S.


nancy and chuck suck each other daily

[ducks]

But in the 1990s, Feinstein sang a different tune.

“And that's why the issue is now joined with two million illegal immigrants,” Feinstein said during a 1993 visit to the Mexico-U.S. border, explaining the cost to her state of illegal immigrants.

“It's a competition for space. Whether the space is a job, the space is a home, a place in a classroom, it becomes a competition for space. This is a country that's based on immigration. And we all know that,” she continued.

“And yet, at times you become so overtaxed you have to concentrate on saying, 'The people who should be here are those who come legally at this time.’ And we've got to, for the time being, enforce our borders.”



damm she made sense then

[Spurminator]

Pretty sure candidates pushing for open borders has something to do with open borders.

Name one candidate who has said they favor open borders.


Illegals are being allowed to vote on local issues in certain areas of the country.

What local issues?

[Nathan89]

"WASHINGTON — Immigration activists have sharply criticized President Obama for a rising volume of deportations, labeling him the "deporter in chief" and staging large protests that have harmed his standing with some Latinos, a key group of voters for Democrats.

But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

Context for Obama. Basically the statistics changed. He wasn't really deporting people in the US that weren't immediately caught.

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/44662658_2041247149286277_6284946577630953472_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=82f6e5030cf81588c5b68ba1d052babe&oe=5C40268B

[CosmicCowboy]

Yes, why not?

GOP has the white house, Senate & House of Rep.

They have all the votes they need to pass any laws they want. Why don't they?

Because stupid people like you will believe their lies and still blame the party with

ZERO power.

They COUNT on idiots like you.

Your ignorance is showing. Virtually everything needs 60 votes in the Senate, which requires 9 Democrats to cross over.

[Spurminator]

"WASHINGTON — Immigration activists have sharply criticized President Obama for a rising volume of deportations, labeling him the "deporter in chief" and staging large protests that have harmed his standing with some Latinos, a key group of voters for Democrats.

But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

Context for Obama. Basically the statistics changed. He wasn't really deporting people in the US that weren't immediately caught.

So, not open borders.

[in2deep]

Obama good now

[CosmicCowboy]

More false garbage.

Asylum seekers have to go through a process or eventually get deported.

Obama administration had the same issues, made the same errors and eventually they had a system down where 99% of the people released while undergoing the asylum process returned for their hearings. Fox news won't tell you any of this.

If you are fleeing for your life and get sent back to "apply from the outside" you will be dead before your hearing but this is probably what you want anyway.

:lol

you are so full of shit.

[Nathan89]

So, not open borders.

Never said Obama was for open borders. Just rebutting the "deporter in Chief" narrative that was being pushed.

This however is as effective of just guarding receivers for the first 5 yards.

[Spurminator]

Never said Obama was for open borders. Just rebutting the "deporter in Chief" narrative that was being pushed.

This however is as effective of just guarding receivers for the first 5 yards.

But you said the party was for open borders. Obama was the figurehead of the party for 8 years. Still is, in a lot of ways.

So which current Democratic officials or candidates have advocated for open borders?

[Nathan89]

But you said the party was for open borders. Obama was the figurehead of the party for 8 years. Still is, in a lot of ways.

So which current Democratic officials or candidates have advocated for open borders?

Keith Ellison. Other than that not sure but many of the other policies that Dems support lead to a defacto open borders.

[Spurs Homer]

Your ignorance is showing. Virtually everything needs 60 votes in the Senate, which requires 9 Democrats to cross over.

So - the great deal-maker could not close 9 Dems?

This is called - Governing.

[Pavlov]

Pretty sure candidates pushing for open borders has something to do with open borders.

Illegals are being allowed to vote on local issues in certain areas of the country.OK, which candidates are pushing for open borders as part of their campaign platforms.

Give a list.

[Pavlov]

Your ignorance is showing. Virtually everything needs 60 votes in the Senate, which requires 9 Democrats to cross over.Which immigration bill introduced in the house do you like, CC?

[in2deep]

They are overwhelmed and years behind. Call it what it is. Catch and release in the US.

And? They potential refugees will wait in line. US is deporting them at a quick pace. Everything at the border will be business as usual. They are just 7,000 thats peanuts.

nothing burger

[in2deep]

Are you guys aware that these people could apply for asylum without walking to the border?

Lol doubt it how? At the US embassy?

a US embassy is not at all equivalent to a border entry point.

[in2deep]

There are roughly 15 million people in Honduras and Nicaragua that could claim the same thing. Should we let them all in?

Why you keep saying we are letting them all in? We are letting them walk in and apply. Nobody is “letting them all in”

[Pavlov]

CC busy passing on INVASION! memes on Facebook.

[in2deep]

it is one hundred percent legal under US law to present yourself at any border or any US embassy to ask for asylum, no matter how you entered the country.

if you don't like it you should ask Trump and the majority Republican US Congress to change the law.

I believe its a UN/Human Rights law/directive. All member states must accept asylum applications at their borders.

[ducks]

Obama good now

Not know was good when he said stop the illegals from coming In

[ducks]

I believe its a UN/Human Rights law/directive. All member states must accept asylum applications at their borders.

Fuck the U.N.
What has the U.N. done here in the USA ?

[in2deep]

I have been to Honduras very poor country
have to have security guards to watch your house when you leave. but it is what it is
there is no reason if they get rid of corruption they could not be a much richer country
if they do not change when the get to the usa soil the usa will be just like their country

the US sponsored a coup in favor the current Honduran leader. Who is a corrupt Amrican slave.

american corporations are in Honduras pillaging the land and resources thanks to him.

companies there are evicting people by force and even murdering them if they do not leave the lands.

The US is responsible and a sponsor for this. And then we ask why are these people escaping their country? Pathetic

[in2deep]

the U.S. technically didn't "back it" but they refused to place sanctions on the government that replaced zelaya. she and obama considered the sanctions until hillary's good friend and corporate lobbyist, lanny davis, convinced her otherwise. our banks were happy, in other words. of course, the GOP has their fair share of central american indiscretions, most of those taking place under reagan, who looked the other way while tens of thousands of indigenous people were slaughtered by our banana republics.

Thats technically backing it. Especially since US trained the leader of the coup

The leader of the coup, Honduran General Romeo Vásquez Velásquez (http://www.soaw.org/presente/content/view/234/74/lang,en/%22%20target=), was a graduate of the notorious School of the Americas, a U.S. Army training program nicknamed “School of Assassins” for the sizable number of graduates who have engaged in coups, as well as the torture and murder of political opponents. The training of coup plotters at the program, since renamed the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, isn’t a bygone feature of the Cold War: General Luis Javier Prince Suazo (http://www.soaw.org/presente/content/view/234/74/lang,en/%22%20target=), who played an important role in the coup as head of the Honduran Air Force, graduated as recently as 1996.

There is no evidence to suggest that the Obama administration was behind the coup. However, a number of U.S. officials — most notably then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — played an important role in preventing Zelaya’s return to office and the junta consolidating its power in the face of massive nonviolent protests.

Clinton insisted (http://obama.wsj.com/quote/0aoOch2c0J2t8?q=Hillary+Rodham+Clinton) the day after the coup that “all parties have a responsibility to address the underlying problems that led to yesterday’s events.” When asked (http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2009a/06/125487.htm) if her call for “restoring the constitutional order” in Honduras meant returning Zelaya himself, she didn’t say it necessarily would. State Department spokesperson Ian Kelly (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2009/favicon.ico) evaded reporters’ questions as to whether the United States supported Zelaya’s return, placing the United States at odds with the Organization of American States (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/30/honduras-coup-rio-group-d_n_223053.html%22%20target=%22_hplink), the Rio Group, and the U.N. General Assembly (http://www.un.org/press/en/2009/ga10842.doc.htm%22%20target=), all of which called for the “immediate and unconditional return” of Zelaya.


https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5766c7ebe4b0092652d7a138

[in2deep]

what is wrong with the usa kids having a better life why does it have to always be the illegals that should get the better life

What? What illegal has a better life than “usa kid”?

:lol

[in2deep]

Fuck the U.N.
What has the U.N. done here in the USA ?

UN has allowed US to pillage and rape many countries over the world

UN has helped US empire a LOT

[Spurminator]

Keith Ellison. Other than that not sure but many of the other policies that Dems support lead to a defacto open borders.

So you have one guy who wore a t shirt about borders, and the rest of your evidence is based on some kind of indirect open borders theory. Not super strong. Has Keith Ellison proposed any piece of legislation about literally opening the borders, or do you think you might be overreacting to generic and toothless political speech?

Face it, Republicans use "open borders" as a campaign scare tactic against Democrats who have never advocated for such a thing, and you lap it right up.

[Pavlov]

Keith Ellison. Other than that not sure but many of the other policies that Dems support lead to a defacto open borders.:lol T-shirt platform.

[Nathan89]

So you have one guy who wore a t shirt about borders, and the rest of your evidence is based on some kind of indirect open borders theory. Not super strong. Has Keith Ellison proposed any piece of legislation about literally opening the borders, or do you think you might be overreacting to generic and toothless political speech?

Face it, Republicans use "open borders" as a campaign scare tactic against Democrats who have never advocated for such a thing, and you lap it right up.

Yes, only I only know of one candidate currently that's dumb enough to expose their position.

I wouldn't call it a theory. It's the effective reality of the policies they are pushing.

[Pavlov]

Yes, only I only know of one candidate currently that's dumb enough to expose their position.

I wouldn't call it a theory. It's the effective reality of the policies they are pushing.What was Bernie's position when you were supporting him?

[Spurminator]

Yes, only I only know of one candidate currently that's dumb enough to expose their position.

Cool. So you retract this:


The party that wants sanctuary cities, to get rid of ICE, is giving illegals the ability to vote in certain areas of the country, and actually has candidates that want open borders.

and this:


Pretty sure candidates pushing for open borders has something to do with open borders.

[Nathan89]

Cool. So you retract this:



and this:



No. One Dem candidate exposed his anti-border stance. Many support defacto anti-border positions.

[Nathan89]

What was Bernie's position when you were supporting him?

That would be irrelevant to the conversation today.

[Spurminator]

No. One Dem candidate exposed his anti-border stance. Many support defacto anti-border positions.

You literally said candidates (plural) *pushing* for open borders. It's right there.

Admit it. You bought the narrative and now you feel stupid. It happens, just be better next time instead of doubling down on stupid to protect your pride.

[Spurminator]

And as for the supposed "de-facto" open border positions, that's a lot like saying requiring a search warrant on home searches is a "de-facto" legal child pornography position.

The controversy around sanctuary cities and ICE has more to do with concerns about the rights of citizens and legal immigrants than it has to do with protecting illegals. But again, you've bought the narrative.

You must have watched a TON of Fox News since you abandoned Bernie. Amazing how quickly you allowed yourself to be brainwashed.

[Nathan89]

You literally said candidates (plural) *pushing* for open borders. It's right there.

Admit it. You bought the narrative and now you feel stupid. It happens, just be better next time instead of doubling down on stupid to protect your pride.

So don't quote an entire paragraph without acknowledging that all i need to do is delete an "s".

Stop telling people to admit something that you are incorrect about.

[Pavlov]

That would be irrelevant to the conversation today.What's his position now?

I'm sure it hasn't changed much since you supported him.

[Nathan89]

And as for the supposed "de-facto" open border positions, that's a lot like saying requiring a search warrant on home searches is a "de-facto" legal child pornography position.

The controversy around sanctuary cities and ICE has more to do with concerns about the rights of citizens and legal immigrants than it has to do with protecting illegals. But again, you've bought the narrative.

You must have watched a TON of Fox News since you abandoned Bernie. Amazing how quickly you allowed yourself to be brainwashed.

It's nothing like saying that. Really the entirety of this comment is nonsense.

[Nathan89]

What's his position now?

I'm sure it hasn't changed much since you supported him.

Do a search.

His position now/then and my support of his is irrelevant.

[Pavlov]

Do a search.

His position now/then and my support of his is irrelevant.:lol his position now is completely relevant.

I'm sure his position then was much different from yours now. What changed your mind?

[Spurminator]

So don't quote an entire paragraph without acknowledging that all i need to do is delete an "s".

Stop telling people to admit something that you are incorrect about.

Two s's across two separate posts. And "pushing." Are you really going to pretend you meant for it to be singular?

:lol Don't insult my intelligence.

[Spurminator]

It's nothing like saying that. Really the entirety of this comment is nonsense.

That's your conditioning talking. Try harder not to be so desperately gullible.

[Nathan89]

:lol his position now is completely relevant.

I'm sure his position then was much different from yours now. What changed your mind?

His position now is relevant as one politician. It's not worth mentioning.

You're assuming I had the same position as him then. His position to mine and my former support of him is what I was saying isn't relevant.

[Pavlov]

His position now is relevant as one politician. It's not worth mentioning.You've already mentioned the T-shirt of one candidate, so it's relevant.


You're assuming I had the same position as him then. His position to mine and my former support of him is what I was saying isn't relevant.Why did you support Bernie?

[Nathan89]

Two s's across two separate posts. And "pushing." Are you really going to pretend you meant for it to be singular?

:lol Don't insult my intelligence.

Overstated isn't worth retracting. I cleared up the position when asked for details. And then you quote an entire paragraph like was all wrong now.

"Don't insult my intelligence.":lmao

[Nathan89]

You've already mentioned the T-shirt of one candidate, so it's relevant.

Why did you support Bernie?

Not really worth mentioning those that haven't declared support for open borders.

Not for immigration policy.

[Pavlov]

Not really worth mentioning those that haven't declared support for open borders.Not even the one with the T-shirt. Your whole argument is irrelevant.


Not for immigration policy.What for, then?

[Nathan89]

That's irrelevant to the conversation Pav.

[Spurminator]

Overstated isn't worth retracting. I cleared up the position when asked for details. And then you quote an entire paragraph like was all wrong now.

I quoted the paragraph so as not to quote a sentence fragment.

Anyway, I told you why that whole paragraph was wrong beyond the plural. You clearly don't want to explore it further for fear of having to "clear up" your position more.

[Pavlov]

That's irrelevant to the conversation Pav.We've already established everything you've said is bullshit, so I've moved on.

[CosmicCowboy]

But you said the party was for open borders. Obama was the figurehead of the party for 8 years. Still is, in a lot of ways.

So which current Democratic officials or candidates have advocated for open borders?

does this sound familiar?


"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere,"

[Spurminator]

does this sound familiar?

It sounds like globalism with open borders for the market.

[Pavlov]

does this sound familiar?"I was talking about energy. You know, we trade more energy with our neighbors than we trade with the rest of the world combined," she said. "And I do want us to have an electric grid, an energy system that crosses borders. I think that will be great benefit to us."

lol CC's Facebook feed.

[Nathan89]

I quoted the paragraph so as not to quote a sentence fragment.

Anyway, I told you why that whole paragraph was wrong beyond the plural. You clearly don't want to explore it further for fear of having to "clear up" your position more.

I don't want to go further because the entirety of it has been cleared up

[Spurminator]

I don't want to go further because the entirety of it has been cleared up

No, you don't want to go further on the "de-facto" open borders conversation.

[CosmicCowboy]

"I was talking about energy. You know, we trade more energy with our neighbors than we trade with the rest of the world combined," she said. "And I do want us to have an electric grid, an energy system that crosses borders. I think that will be great benefit to us."

lol CC's Facebook feed.

:lol

Gullible Chump sucking down H's backpedal after the quote was exposed.

[Spurminator]

:lol

Gullible Chump sucking down H's backpedal after the quote was exposed.

Why would she backpedal? Why would left-wing media say she wasn't talking about immigration if the left wants open borders on immigration?

For something that's supposedly so widespread and popular on the left, it's weird they would be secretive about it and go a far as to deny that's what they mean.

You're sucking down Trump and Fox News soundbytes. I thought you were smarter than that.

[Pavlov]

:lol

Gullible Chump sucking down H's backpedal after the quote was exposed.:lol "exposed"

Were that her actual position on immigration she would have said it hundreds of times, dumbass. Not once when talking about energy.

Do you realize how stupid your theory is here?