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timvp
10-23-2018, 03:25 AM
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Welcome to the modern day NBA, where no leads are safe and defense is only the structure that encloses your yard. After snatching overtime from the jaws of victory by blowing an eight point lead with one minute to go in regulation, the San Antonio Spurs returned the favor by scoring the final seven points in the final 51 seconds of the extra period to eke out a 143-142 victory over LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers. This was San Antonio's first road victory since February 25th of last season, when they coincidentally defeated LeBron in Cleveland.

The Spurs are now 2-1 on the season and avoided what would have been a painful loss after collapsing late in the fourth quarter. Their late rally in overtime showed a lot of heart. Following a layup by Forbes and a three-pointer by Gay to pull the Spurs within a point, Mills sank what turned out to be the game-winning jumper with 6.8 seconds remaining off of a side out of bounds play.

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LaMarcus Aldridge
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Heading into this contest, LaMarcus Aldridge was in a bit of an offensive slump. Consider that slump busted. Aldridge was very good on the offensive end -- and it all started with his physicality in the post. He tortured the overmatched Lakers bigmen throughout the night utilizing a combination of his brute strength and his deft touch around the rim. When he wasn't scoring buckets or getting to the line, he was passing the ball really well. Defense, well, that was another story. I thought he was good at that end in the first quarter but he struggled to make any sort of impact in the game's final 41 minutes. The Lakers using small lineups was partly to blame, as was the obvious lack of chemistry with his teammates -- not to mention the lack of defensive talent around him. But overall I was very pleased with what I saw from Aldridge. If he can play at that level, the Spurs are going to be okay.
Grade: A-
Summary: Aldridge was a beast on the offensive end in a performance that gives hope that he's still very much a top tier difference-maker in a quickly evolving landscape.

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DeMar DeRozan
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In the first half, DeMar DeRozan was an offensive marvel. He expertly carved up the Lakers defense in a nearly flawless manner. No matter whether the coaching staff put him in pick-and-rolls, isolations or in the low block, DeRozan created great shots over and over and over again. Unfortunately, DeRozan wore down as the game progressed. After hitting his first five shots, DeRozan missed 18 of his final 24 field goal attempts -- including his final eight shots in the fourth quarter and overtime. He particularly struggled to finish in the lane late in the game. His defense was also never too notable; mostly bad on an individual basis but decent team-wise. That said, it's difficult to be too angry with a man who set a career-high with 14 assists while turning it over only twice in a game-high 45 minutes. Oh, and he had 32 points and was two rebounds shy of a triple double. Not a bad night at the office.
Grade: B+
Summary: DeRozan was great early but faded late, though it's difficult to criticize his overall production

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Rudy Gay
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Talk about changing one's reputation. Rudy Gay had a very rugged, workmanlike performance in Los Angeles. On offense, he was unselfish and highly efficient. He used his size and length to get shots off the dribble. Gay continued his hot shooting from three-point land, included a monumental trey in overtime with 15 seconds remaining. Defensively, he took the challenge of guarding LeBron James for much of the evening. He had his moments of competency on that end, particularly in the first three quarters. Gay's never going to be a lockdown defender but his effort tonight was impressive and he was one of the few Spurs who was able to offer some semblance of disruption on that end. Further good news for Gay: he looked relatively healthy after hobbling for much of the previous six quarters heading into this contest.
Grade: A-
Summary: Gay put on his blue collar and his marksmanship and intensity were keys to this victory.

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Bryn Forbes
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Bryn Forbes is another player who deserves credit for at least giving good effort on defense. The results were shaky but Forbes' heart was in the right place. (He's too slow, short and stubby to do too much damage on D, if we're being honest about the situation.) Offensively, Forbes provided invaluable spacing by way of his picture-perfect stroke from the perimeter. His ball-handling was iffy, his decision-making was lacking and it was often painfully clear he's not a point guard . . . but Forbes competed and did about as well as could have been expected given the circumstances.
Grade: B+
Summary: Another solid game for Forbes. The Spurs couldn't have expected much more from their fourth string point guard.

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Dante Cunningham
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Well, I'll gladly eat some crow after Dante Cunningham illustrated it's possible for him to fit on this team. What the coaching staff stumbled upon is that Cunningham is useful as a starting power forward against a small team. With DeRozan, Aldridge and two other shooters on the court, the Spurs can get away with Cunningham spotting up for threes in the weakside corner and the spacing doesn't suffer too much. Defensively, he was pretty good. He defended LeBron in a number of possessions and did reasonably well, though it became an exercise in futility once LeBron had his effort level dialed up later in the contest. Cunningham's rebounding was huge and he also defended the rim well, particularly in transition. He's going to have to learn move to open spaces instinctively (and, for that matter, the fundamentals of the motion offense) but this was definitely a step in the right direction.
Grade: A-
Summary: Cunningham in the starting lineup as a small ball power forward appears to be an option going forward.

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Patty Mills
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See, this is how Patty Mills can be useful. After a terrible first half against the Blazers on Saturday, Mills has recovered and had a pretty good performance against the Lakers. Sure, the clutch jumper to win the game was nice but it was more than that. Offensively, his aggression was really good and he continually exerted pressure when he had the ball in transition. Defensively, Mills still got cooked a number of times but the effort and attentiveness were better. He, along with the team, have a lot (lot, lot, lot) of room for defensive improvement but it's possible for him to get there as long as he continues to play with this level of tenacity.
Grade: B
Summary: Mills did more than just hit the game-winning jumper.

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Marco Belinelli
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Marco Belinelli was again a hurricane of action. On this night, things mostly went in his favor. He took a few questionable leaners and passed up too many layups . . . but had enough no-no-no-yeses to retain his value. His cutting away from the ball was, as usual, extremely good. Defensively, it wasn't nearly as pretty. He had trouble staying with any of their perimeter players and was caught with his back turned too many times.
Grade: B
Summary: Belinelli gave the Spurs an injection of adrenaline on the offensive end but his D was forgettable.

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Pau Gasol
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The production was there for Pau Gasol offensively. His passing, most notably in high-low action to Aldridge on the low post, was very good. He scored at a quality clip and helped on the glass. The problem for Gasol on this night was on defense. He just didn't have the footspeed to deal with the Lakers quick lineups, as his rotations were slow in the halfcourt and he was missing in action in transition D.
Grade: B
Summary: The 38-year-old Spaniard gave the Spurs good bang for the minutes but L.A. was able to exploit some of his natural weaknesses.

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Davis Bertans
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Davis Bertans only played eight minutes and his night was highlighted by a three-pointer near the end of the third quarter. However, outside of that one shot, the rest of his outing was a struggle. His perimeter defense was poor and he compounded the issue by being extremely soft on the defensive glass. The Lakers were bullying him in all facets on D to the point that the coaching staff made the correct decision to sit him. Bertans needs to play with more physicality if he's going to become an everyday NBA player.
Grade: C-
Summary: Bertans couldn't stay in front of his man on the perimeter and got pushed around in the paint.

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Pop
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Starting Cunningham turned out to be a very wise move. The offense is clicking extremely well. Pop is obviously giving DeRozan the freedom to be an offensive superstar. I had two critiques with the rotation: First, I think the team should always have one of Aldridge, DeRozan or Gay on the court right now. Pop went with a complete bench unit at times and the tides turned swiftly. My second critique, which isn't entirely fair because it's based on hindsight, is that DeRozan wasn't given enough rest. Asking him to play the entire fourth quarter is probably too much, especially when he is taking on extra point guard duties on top of everything else.
Grade: B
Summary: Pop's belief in Cunningham paid off but is he (gasp) playing his star perimeter player too much?

Looking ahead: Good win. Good morale boost. It may sound crazy given that the Spurs just allowed 142 points but I thought the defense was actually better than it was against the Blazers. The effort, if nothing else, on that end was better. The Spurs now return to San Antonio to take on the Indiana Pacers on Wednesday in what will be another difficult yet winnable game.

BillMc
10-23-2018, 03:34 AM
Good grades. Many thanks as always.

Fireball
10-23-2018, 03:42 AM
thx for the grades ... I agree!

99 Problems
10-23-2018, 03:42 AM
:chestbump

TDMVPDPOY
10-23-2018, 03:50 AM
bellis b2b 3s to increase the lead when lakers were chasing down t he lead

yet why wasnt this clown closing the game instead of having 2 midgets trying to defend giving up stupid and1 plays to the lakers....

ATXtbh
10-23-2018, 03:51 AM
Excellent writeup. Agree about DeRozan's minutes. And I think "ejection of adrenaline" will become my new favorite phrase.

MoSpur02
10-23-2018, 03:56 AM
Good write-up Señor Ellis. Aldridge was a beast. Good to see that he can still dominate inside.

venitian navigator
10-23-2018, 04:08 AM
great read and I completely agree that DDR (and imho also LMA) are actually playing too many minutes...
However I think that will be avoided in the long run considering that DDR is taking at the point all the minutes that should be played by White (big point guard minutes) and that Poeltl is going to play some of LMA Center minutes once he gets more acclimated on the system (he's a good player and can run the floor).
In this game, imho, we have seen the reason of the Cunningham/Bertans signings...the former play small ball four when the opposing small ball pf is a still mobile but more phisically strong one; the latter when the opposing small ball pf is more a wing, aka a mobile but more finesse player.
Looks like our starting five, with the exceptions of DDR and LMA (and maybe Gay and, next year, Murray) is gonna constantly change game by game depending on opponents starting five...

TDMVPDPOY
10-23-2018, 04:10 AM
cunningham did good with his minutes, crash the boards, and body lebron using up his unlimited fouls against leRef bailing him out every time he drive to the rim

Chinook
10-23-2018, 04:27 AM
I continue to be concerned about Gay's ability to play a lot of minutes. In an overtime game 33 minutes is rather low. I mean, it understand Rudy's situation, and if he can't give more than 27ish mpg, that's what it is. But the team then needs a viable fourth option. OP mentioned that Pop should have one of Gay, DeRozan or Aldridge on the court at the same time. I submit that he should have two of them on the court. That's an average of 32 mpg, and it should be doable with enough planning. But you'd want to keep the guys under that given their (especially Gay's and LMA's) ages and the need for them to be healthy and fresh to carry the offense. Ideally, Pau would be that go-to scorer, but so much of his effectiveness comes down to how hard Gasol wants to try that day.

I'm just wondering if it might be easier for the team to find a scoring guard to come off the bench than it would be to find a defensive wing. I don't mean someone like Beli or Forbes who can do okay but needs a play-maker to set them up. I mean a bona-fide 15ppg guy who can get his own shot and score his points with decent efficiency. I understand the idea of offense by committee, but with three guys who thrive in iso plays, it might back the team more stable to find a fourth.

SwansonInSibagat
10-23-2018, 04:30 AM
Thanks Timvp!

What are the chances of DeMar having a Harden - esque resurgence this season?

cd021
10-23-2018, 04:47 AM
Thanks Timvp!

What are the chances of DeMar having a Harden - esque resurgence this season?

Resurgence isn't the word that I would use but I do think he could average something like 22ppg and 7 assists and 4 rpg. That's a more complete offensive version of him.

SAGirl
10-23-2018, 05:21 AM
Interesting that Poltl didn’t play and Davis stayed st just 7 or so minutes. The team is definitely top heavy with a few roleplayers worth playing when it matters at least until some injuries heal up in the team...
I appreciate the review, the game was too late for to even attempt watching and considering it went to overtime I am glad I skipped it but it seems like a thriller.

ceperez
10-23-2018, 05:31 AM
Still early in the season and minutes will help DeRozan and Aldridge to become more familiar with each other's games.

DeRozan was a monster when he was fresh. He'll just need to learn how to get that second wind come crunch time.

Kurgan
10-23-2018, 05:56 AM
Interesting that Poltl didn’t play and Davis stayed st just 7 or so minutes. The team is definitely top heavy with a few roleplayers worth playing when it matters at least until some injuries heal up in the team...
I appreciate the review, the game was too late for to even attempt watching and considering it went to overtime I am glad I skipped it but it seems like a thriller.

Poeltl's in the doghouse after those horrid first two games.

SAGirl
10-23-2018, 05:59 AM
Poeltl's in the doghouse after those horrid first two games.
Would you say if he had played they lose the game?

sananspursfan21
10-23-2018, 06:23 AM
The most encouraging thing is that they didn’t fold in overtime and Cunningham might have a place on this team after all (fingers crossed). Thanks for the write-up!

tbdog
10-23-2018, 08:25 AM
Would you say if he had played they lose the game?

Lakers have no backup center really. Kuzma kinda plays backup center. And beasley did a bit too. The Zubac guy had 5 fouls in 4 minutes. So really, there was no need for our third string center to play. I know he started last 2 games, but he is in the Blair role atm. Minute eater. While also getting time to work on his game, in game.

SAGirl
10-23-2018, 08:29 AM
Lakers have no backup center really. Kuzma kinda plays backup center. And beasley did a bit too. The Zubac guy had 5 fouls in 4 minutes. So really, there was no need for our third string center to play. I know he started last 2 games, but he is in the Blair role atm. Minute eater. While also getting time to work on his game, in game.
Ok thanks for that feedback. Not having watched it it's impossible to know things like this. :toast

Mugen
10-23-2018, 08:42 AM
Today's NBA...

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Amuseddaysleeper
10-23-2018, 08:54 AM
Thanks for the thoughts timvp :tu

Any idea why Poetl didn’t play?

bigfan
10-23-2018, 08:57 AM
Always enjoy a TIMVP summary/grades after a game, thanks for the efforts.

SpaceCoast Spursfan
10-23-2018, 08:58 AM
We really need Bertans to become consistent and Jakob to be able to be good enough to play 8-12 minutes. If this can happen along with DWhite coming back, then hopefully we can better manage LMA, Gay, DDR minutes.

Definitely thought fatigue played a part in Demar's struggles. On the flip side if at the time of the trade someone told me DDR would have several games of 10+ assist games I probably would have laughed at them. Based on small sample he is well on his way to doing that and will easily set career high in assist.

playbonner15
10-23-2018, 09:05 AM
DeMarcus DeAldridge's gonna have to drag this team to 8th seed :eyebrows

BackHome
10-23-2018, 09:25 AM
Today's NBA...

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SpursDynasty85
10-23-2018, 09:29 AM
Thanks for the thoughts timvp :tu

Any idea why Poetl didn’t play?

Gasol was limited off the bench too because Lakers are a wing heavy shorted in the center position lineup team. Cunningham getting the start took all of Poeltls minutes and Gasols effectiveness this season and off the bench so far this season made him the backup vs Poeltl for Aldridge. Pretty much shows Gasol is ahead of Poeltl in the rotation but to even out the rotation Poeltl gets the starts.

Spurminator
10-23-2018, 09:39 AM
:tu

dabom
10-23-2018, 09:48 AM
MVPatty +++A. Saved the day. Good on ya Patty! :lol

rjv
10-23-2018, 10:06 AM
if we can get this from the spurs throughout the season, plus whatever white can provide and walker-should he ever get into the rotation- and i would be happy with a season like this, playoffs or not. at the least, it would show a team that is building some chemistry and the chance to build around a decent set of scorers.

emanueldavidginobili
10-23-2018, 10:09 AM
Demar was definitely forcing it but more times than not he gets the foul call. They were not calling anything for him during the 4th and OT. I think he was banking on getting some calls when he kept going driving to the cup.

james evans
10-23-2018, 10:10 AM
The most encouraging thing is that they didn’t fold in overtime and Cunningham might have a place on this team after all (fingers crossed). Thanks for the write-up!
I think I saw the one thing Cunningham does well and that's rebound. Gasol can't seem to grab rebounds around other players today.

John B
10-23-2018, 10:14 AM
Thanks for the grades Timvp. I agree that Pops played Demar to exhaustion to the 4th and extended OT. And also that Pops could have kept any of the big 3 with the 2nd unit. Seeing Mills/Forbes/Belli/Bertran/Pau lineup was a disaster waiting to happen. Is Poeltl in the doghouse? Why didn’t he play? I like to see some Metu also but they blew up the lead. Overall it’s a great morale win over Lebron. Demar’s 14 assists is a revelation and I’m okay with Dante starting to get some rebounds and physicality. GSG :flag::flag:

DAF86
10-23-2018, 10:26 AM
I don't think Aldridge's offensive problems are solved yet, tbh. His jumper still looks broken. He missed tons of jumpers and free throws. It's good that he was smart enough to punish the Lakers midgets inside though.

Ellsworth
10-23-2018, 10:28 AM
Chimezie Metu

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Did a wonderful job cheering his teammates from the bench... he was also very compassionate as to wave goodbye to fellow JaVale McGee after the home team player committed his 6th foul & was walking straight back to his own bench. :lmao:rollin:nutkick:
Grade: BA
Summary: Pop hardly plays rookies... he much prefers veterans even if they're OTH :cry

Looking ahead: Expect more from PM 2.0

birdy219
10-23-2018, 10:49 AM
So glad to get a road win. It seems like forever.

Russo21
10-23-2018, 10:58 AM
Resurgence isn't the word that I would use but I do think he could average something like 22ppg and 7 assists and 4 rpg. That's a more complete offensive version of him.

DDR averaged 27 just 2 seasons ago. I'm expecting him to put up something like that this season 👍 22 seems to low. 27 and 7 would be nice ;)

8FOR!3
10-23-2018, 11:14 AM
I think Pop’s intentions are to either start White/Forbes together or Lonnie Walker when they get back some nights to give DDR the night off.

Also, I think it’s a good sign that Forbes/Mills and obviously Belli aren’t afraid to take big shots. Good spurs teams require that and I think we kinda lacked confident shooters last year

TDomination
10-23-2018, 11:44 AM
Thanks for the grades Timvp. I always enjoy reading them.

Demar was obviously gassed. Even that shot he banked in looked bad. but i was happy that he kept attacking. most players settle for jumpers and although there was a few that he settled for, he continued to attack the basket to draw a foul. thats all you can do at that point when your shot is not falling. so i felt like that was a positive in the midst of him struggle.

I'm loving some of these clutch shots by Rudy Gay. This is great! I'm actually beginning to want him to come off the bench to help shore up the bench unit a bit. But if that puts cunningham at the 3, I'm not so sure about that. So we'll see what happens when white and walker are back.

Props to Forbes hitting quite a few clutch shots. He hit some big 3's at the end of the 4th that was all for naught due to the lakers also hitting their shots. This is great experience for him. Who knows, he may end up a decent backup.

LMA was great overall. I'm feeling more and more confident in him. But man, he needs to stop hanging around Timmy during practice. Those FT misses are killers. Gotta hit the freebies!

Larry O
10-23-2018, 12:02 PM
Timvp? You da bestest man! As always, thanks for your grades posts! My observations from last night's game was that in the 1st quarter, was that there was more ball movement than that darned motion offense, which to me, this team just doesn't have the personnel for. It seemed to be quite effective as they got that big lead as a result, then they seemed to abandonded it in the 2nd quarter. Aldridge: since he's a LA (lazy a**), he's working to get his "sea legs" back in this infant season, which means that hopfully he's getting his conditioning & rhythm back as he's playing, & play he did! It will interesting to see if DC33 will continue to remain in the starting lineup. I really think he was in the lineup last night for matchup purposes, but we will see come Wednesday. Also, Double-D10 played his butt off last night! Forty-five minutes with 32 points, 14 assists & 8 rebounds, plus having to share the load as PG, I'm sure all of that had him gassed by OT. But there was a couple of times when he did drive to the basket, that the refs swallowed thier whistles when he should have got the foul calls. I'm thinking that those no-calls may have messed with his head. Any who, this team is a work in progress with its chemistry and defense, but if they continue work on them, as well as bring it in every game with heart & hustle, they may squeak out a few wins! GSG!!!

Ed Helicopter Jones
10-23-2018, 01:08 PM
Thanks Timvp! :tu

This team is not deep at all. The injuries hurt, but it's scary how shallow the bench is.

cd021
10-23-2018, 01:47 PM
DDR averaged 27 just 2 seasons ago. I'm expecting him to put up something like that this season 👍 22 seems to low. 27 and 7 would be nice ;)

I don't see that high of a number, though 22 may be too low. Maybe 23.5 and 7 is more realistic, that is still fantastic numbers and almost unprecedented in the Pop era with only Duncan and Cold Nephew putting up better numbers

FkLA
10-23-2018, 02:23 PM
When are people going to realize that MBrynP is averaging 15 PPG, tbh?

r0drig0lac
10-23-2018, 02:32 PM
When are people going to realize that MBrynP is averaging 15 PPG, tbh?

this is like 8ppg (which would be awesome for a guy like him) at a era when defense was allowed

Stabula
10-23-2018, 02:50 PM
Forbes is a stud

Ed Helicopter Jones
10-23-2018, 04:27 PM
When are people going to realize that MBrynP is averaging 15 PPG, tbh?

He might actually have a place in today's game. If the NBA still allowed defense he'd be lost, but yeah, it's a chucker's league and Bryn has a good stroke. He knows how to score points.

TD 21
10-23-2018, 05:10 PM
Dante Cunningham
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Well, I'll gladly eat some crow after Dante Cunningham illustrated it's possible for him to fit on this team. What the coaching staff stumbled upon is that Cunningham is useful as a starting power forward against a small team. With DeRozan, Aldridge and two other shooters on the court, the Spurs can get away with Cunningham spotting up for threes in the weakside corner and the spacing doesn't suffer too much. Defensively, he was pretty good. He defended LeBron in a number of possessions and did reasonably well, though it became an exercise in futility once LeBron had his effort level dialed up later in the contest. Cunningham's rebounding was huge and he also defended the rim well, particularly in transition. He's going to have to learn move to open spaces instinctively (and, for that matter, the fundamentals of the motion offense) but this was definitely a step in the right direction.
Grade: A-
Summary: Cunningham in the starting lineup as a small ball power forward appears to be an option going forward.

I remember someone mentioning this repeatedly and not being believed. Can't remember who it was though . . .



Pop
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Starting Cunningham turned out to be a very wise move. The offense is clicking extremely well. Pop is obviously giving DeRozan the freedom to be an offensive superstar. I had two critiques with the rotation: First, I think the team should always have one of Aldridge, DeRozan or Gay on the court right now. Pop went with a complete bench unit at times and the tides turned swiftly. My second critique, which isn't entirely fair because it's based on hindsight, is that DeRozan wasn't given enough rest. Asking him to play the entire fourth quarter is probably too much, especially when he is taking on extra point guard duties on top of everything else.
Grade: B
Summary: Pop's belief in Cunningham paid off but is he (gasp) playing his star perimeter player too much?

Looking ahead: Good win. Good morale boost. It may sound crazy given that the Spurs just allowed 142 points but I thought the defense was actually better than it was against the Blazers. The effort, if nothing else, on that end was better. The Spurs now return to San Antonio to take on the Indiana Pacers on Wednesday in what will be another difficult yet winnable game.

With how predictably untenable playing 3 C's has proven, the 3 guard/wing injuries and them inexplicably refusing to waive Pondexter and/or utilize their open 2-way spot on a PG or wing, what choice does he have right now?

This team is going to be nip-and-tuck to make the playoffs. He can either try to get cute and throw winnable games in the garbage or do what's necessary to win, at least until White and Walker return and he has more viable options at his disposal.

FkLA
10-23-2018, 05:22 PM
Good write-up Señor Ellis. Aldridge was a beast. Good to see that he can still dominate inside.

:lol