The Secret History of anti-Mexican VIolence in Texas: Monica Munoz Martinez

[Winehole23]

All states have bloody pasts. But no state bathes itself in it quite like Texas.


Martinez’s focus turns from Tejano victimization to Tejano agency in the book’s fourth chapter, which chronicles state representative José T. Canales’s 1919 efforts to bring criminal charges against several Texas Rangers for their years-long campaign of indiscriminate killing of Mexican Americans. Martinez documents the grinding racism Canales endured during state legislative hearings as well as the threats of physical violence that famed Texas Ranger Frank Hamer made against him.


The House-Senate committee that was formed to investigate Canales’s charges acted like a modern-day truth and reconciliation commission, generating a tremendous amount of revelatory testimony. The committee chose not to recommend criminal charges against any Rangers (which angered Canales), yet soon after the hearings, several Rangers were pushed out, the force was reduced in size, and the crazed level of bloodshed diminished. Even so, few remember the investigation today.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-culture/anti-mexican-violence-in-texas/

[Winehole23]

Several Anglo witnesses to the massacre of fifteen men and children in Porvenir, for example, refused to stay quiet. Robert Keil was a young U.S. Army cavalryman stationed nearby who was tasked with helping the Texas Rangers round up the men of Porvenir for questioning about an incident in which a bank was robbed and three Anglos were killed. The Rangers then sent Keil and his fellow soldiers miles away. After the soldiers heard gunshots in the distance, their commander ordered them to return, where they discovered lifeless, mangled bodies and screaming women and children. Keil later wrote a memoir, published posthumously thanks to the efforts of his daughter, who recalled how the murder of people he regarded as friends tormented him for the rest of his life.

[Winehole23]

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674976436

[SnakeBoy]

Turrible, it's hard to imagine something like that could happen in 1919

[CosmicCowboy]

Turrible, it's hard to imagine something like that could happen in 1919

Yeah...crazy. Pancho Villa was raiding the US at the same time and the US army was chasing them.

[Winehole23]

y'all are idiots.

[Winehole23]

try reading

[Winehole23]

the pattern of violence didn't start in 1919 and it didn't end there either

[rjv]

y'all are idiots.

not exactly dealing with history profs here.

[DarrinS]

try reading

Martinez documents the grinding racism Canales endured during state legislative hearings as well as the threats of physical violence that famed Texas Ranger Frank Hamer made against him.

Frank Hamer was the dude that shot up Bonnie and Clyde, if memory serves.

[Winehole23]

Darrin's not allergic to Texas history, what's up with CC and Snake Boy?

[Chris]

It's a secret history - shhhhh....

[Winehole23]

What's meant by secret is that irregular slayings of Tejanos -- and even of prominent citizens -- were not investigated or prosecuted in the first place and weren't included in the history books in the second place.

[Winehole23]

But go ahead, mock the historians who give it oxygen.

[Chris]

But go ahead, mock the historians who give it oxygen.

Why the random history lesson? Are you drumming up racial division like the rest of the chickenshit rabble rousers or did you have some kind of moral relativism here?

[Winehole23]

Snowflakes triggered by Texas history

[Winehole23]

It's not random, the book just came out. If our Texas forbears hadn't slain Tejanos for merely being brown and owning land and local authorities hadn't turned a blind eye, there'd be no cause to write "divisive" historical accounts of thier crimes against fellow Texans.

[boutons_deux]

The President of the NRA & the Murder of 15 Year Old Ramon Casiano
https://medium.com/@SIIPCampaigns/nra-history-pt-1-the-president-of-the-nra-the-murder-of-15-year-old-ramon-casiano-3c03165fb4e9

not jusr tx rangers

tx angloes been ethnic cleansing latinos (aka Indians) forever

[Winehole23]

Forever?

No.

Discrimination based on skin tint is a relative historical novelty. Before the slave trade, people barely had any concept of what it meant to be white or non-white.

[Winehole23]

...

[boutons_deux]

TX's "forever", as in founded by Anglos as a slave state and then Confederate state

Browns were still fighting for full rights, representation in 1960s

[Chris]

Kicked Santa Anna's ass -yep.

[Winehole23]

We're discussing the post-revolutionary history, Chris.

Please try to keep up.

[FrostKing]

Cowboys and MexiIndians

[Winehole23]

go sit on a corkscrew and spin.

you know jack shit about Texas.

[Winehole23]

Cowboys and MexiIndiansyour ignorant ass takes Hollywood westerns for historical reality.

the word, the gear and the practices came from northern Mexico. cowboys were low caste, maybe up to half of the cowboys in Texas in the 19th century were non-white.

[DarrinS]

Los Diablos Tejanos

Damn straight

[DarrinS]

“The morality of this opening border warfare was meaningless, because morality could only be defined within a culture, never across two cultures. The moral, upstanding Comanche who lived by the laws and gods of his tribe enjoyed heaping live coals on a staked-out white man’s genitals… The moral Texan, who lived in peace and amity with his fellows, would bash an Indian infant’s head against a tree, or gut-shoot a “greaser” if he blinked. Relations between disparate cultures were to be determined, as always, by the relative strength and weakness of each, and by the dynamic or regressive nature displayed by Anglos, Indians, and Mexicans. Relations could not be governed by individual, internal ethics or morals any more than history had been determined by such parameters in the past. The great change the frontier Texan made from the Anglo-American mainstream in these years was the real, if unarticulated, understanding that his enemies were “different.”

In Lone Star: A History of Texas and Texans - T.R. Ferenbach

[Winehole23]

ah, yes, the invasion of Mexico

do you have a point, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

ah, yes, the invasion of Mexico

do you have a point, Darrin?


Yes. Life was different 100 years ago.

[Winehole23]

how so?

are you comparing the post-revolutionary period to the early twentieth century period covered by the book mentioned in the OP?

if life was different a hundred years ago, imagine how much more so 170 years ago.

[FrostKing]

go sit on a corkscrew and spin.

you know jack shit about Texas.
You have been quite snappy the last few days. What's wrong sweetie

[DMC]

You have been quite snappy the last few days. What's wrong sweetie

Obviously the return carriage not working on the old e-typewriter, only the "post" function.

[SnakeBoy]

You have been quite snappy the last few days. What's wrong sweetie

He's just drunk.

[koriwhat]

It's not random, the book just came out. If our Texas forbears hadn't slain Tejanos for merely being brown and owning land and local authorities hadn't turned a blind eye, there'd be no cause to write "divisive" historical accounts of thier crimes against fellow Texans.

you're asking for the dead to be more mindful of what they did 100 yrs ago? yeah, that ain't gonna work. live in the present. am i reading this wrong?

[Winehole23]

Nope.

I was making fun of the living for calling Texas history that makes them uncomfortable "divisive."

[Chris]

^ the troll thing

[Winehole23]

Yeah, you were were triggered at the mention of the Texas Rangers racist slaughter of Tejanos.

Because it was real.

[Chris]

Yeah, you were were triggered at the mention of the Texas Rangers racist slaughter of Tejanos.

Because it was real.

What's your angle here? Why the random history lesson?

[Chris]

What's your angle here? Why the random history lesson?

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[Chris]

Thanks, I didn't know ctrl+r did that :tu

[Winehole23]

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