Pittsburgh shooting

[Spurtacular]

Chumpy upset that a page went by without his narrative rodeo being involved. :lol

:lmao

[Spurs Homer]

Consider hate speech, for example. There's a push now to do something about it. Do you think the 1st Amendment will be altered?

We live in a country of people who have no concern for other people. In Japan, people will stand in long lines and wait their turn because they are conditioned over generations to consider the collective and use an honor system. In the US, it's every man for himself and has been since the onset. That will not change with legislation. When you have so many different cultures who fundamentally disagree with one another, all living together, you're going to have issues. Japan has a homogeneous culture and Americans living there often stand out because they bring with them American tendencies to bypass courtesy in favor of being 1st. Individualism is king in the US. We talk about players instead of teams. Players shit on their own teams to get ahead in the game (Kawhi Leonard) and the concept of honor is just a fancy talking point. That won't change in our lifetimes and it's not getting better.

We have talked about it for years. Nothing has changed. We don't move forward because the proposed changes are ineffective placebos ( https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270618&highlight=gun ) and even those placebos are resisted by conservatives. The suggesting that a full gun ban be considered was treated like a radioactive waste drum because the left is afraid to go there in fear they will isolate a large portion of their voter base.

Public opinion doesn't move the supreme court.

My point is that "someday someone will do something about it" isn't a viable plan. I've asked people here what they would propose as a solution and the large majority of them either refuse to answer or they say something similar to "someone needs to fix it".

So what is your solution?

Defend Trump and defend guns?

[boutons_deux]

country of people who have no concern for other people

... the myth of Rugged Individualism.

When employees banded together in unions, progress was made, but the oligarchy has crushed union power, and ignorant Americans believe the oligarchy's propaganda that unions are evil, and the LIE that Capitalism is best for everybody

We don't move forward because the proposed changes are ineffective placebos

no, because the oligarchy runs the country and will spend $Bs to buy politicians, judges, regulators, to maintain the rigged status quo, so no "move forward", no PROGRESS are possible

Public opinion doesn't move the supreme court.

... with Gorsuch and K, SCOTUS has become a horrible unfunny joke, but the unstoppable oligarchy is laughing at the success of their decades-long strategy of tainting SCOTUS with 5 (at least) hard right political-whores-in-robes. fait accompli

they say something similar to "someone needs to fix it".

... people, at least subconsciously, realize they are powerless. The system chooses political candidates to defend, continue the system of the party establishments (eg, any Bernies sidelined, Repug moderates primaried, purged), so no electoral victory For The People is possible.

Americans used to ridicule Euro-sclerosis, but guess which World Champion country is now fatally sclerotic (for the mass of the people)?

[ElNono]

Consider hate speech, for example. There's a push now to do something about it. Do you think the 1st Amendment will be altered?

Don’t think it will, tbh, but I also don’t think it’s off the table (even though I don’t agree personally with it). Wouldn’t be the first time there are exceptions carved out from the 1st Amendment. For example I can totally see a political push for that if the currrent specious environment continues. For good or bad, we’re reactionary by nature.


We live in a country of people who have no concern for other people. In Japan, people will stand in long lines and wait their turn because they are conditioned over generations to consider the collective and use an honor system. In the US, it's every man for himself and has been since the onset. That will not change with legislation. When you have so many different cultures who fundamentally disagree with one another, all living together, you're going to have issues. Japan has a homogeneous culture and Americans living there often stand out because they bring with them American tendencies to bypass courtesy in favor of being 1st. Individualism is king in the US. We talk about players instead of teams. Players shit on their own teams to get ahead in the game (Kawhi Leonard) and the concept of honor is just a fancy talking point. That won't change in our lifetimes and it's not getting better.

I think that has way more to do with community building than anything else. As the US has grown in population, it has slowly but steadily veered from conservatism to progressism and individualism to community. It’s a process that’s still ongoing and I don’t particularly think it’s reversible for obvious physical reasons. It can certainly be slowed down by the occasional misguided progressive policy.

But, again, I don’t think it’s the people, but the law that is the larger impediment. I have near zero doubt states like California or New York would implement a much tighter grip if it would be legal and I actually don’t think their citizens would be throwing a hissy fit about it.


We have talked about it for years. Nothing has changed. We don't move forward because the proposed changes are ineffective placebos ( https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270618&highlight=gun ) and even those placebos are resisted by conservatives. The suggesting that a full gun ban be considered was treated like a radioactive waste drum because the left is afraid to go there in fear they will isolate a large portion of their voter base.

I do think this issue will be coming to a head sooner rather than later (and by that I don’t mean immediately, but sooner than other politically charged issues). We’ll see if there’s a cathartic event that brings it to the fore where it can’t just be swept under the rug anymore. I also don’t agree that some of the proposals are placebo at all. I think some of them would be relatively effective, and might not even require a constitutional amendment. The usual suspects will fight them tooth and nail under the guise of freedom, but at the end of the day, reality speaks louder than words.


Public opinion doesn't move the supreme court.

My point is that "someday someone will do something about it" isn't a viable plan. I've asked people here what they would propose as a solution and the large majority of them either refuse to answer or they say something similar to "someone needs to fix it".

You would be wrong about that. The Supreme Court once stood for segregation also. It took public opinion, followed by Congress to force their hand.

I don’t blame you for taking the immediate view and feeling nothing will happen, I would actually agree with that sentiment up to a certain extent. I do think it makes much more sense to tackle this one challenge at a time rather than wait until a reactionary decision is made on the backs of some despicable event.

[clambake]

where is the red hat that says "all i want to do is kill jews"

[boutons_deux]

where is the red hat that says "all i want to do is kill jews"

MAGAshooter did say he wants to kill all Jews

[boutons_deux]

Top Republican defends anti-Semitic ads attacking George Soros the day after synagogue slaughter (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/28/1807977/-Top-Republican-defends-anti-Semitic-ads-attacking-George-Soros-the-day-after-synagogue-slaughter)

https://images.dailykos.com/images/604885/story_image/Screen_Shot_2018-10-28_at_7.06.56_PM.png?1540768028
Republican Rep. Steve Stivers, who chairs the National Republican Congressional Committee,

went on TV to

defend anti-Semitic ads his organization has been airing (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/19/1805713/-Republicans-resort-to-straight-up-anti-Semitic-scaremongering-with-attack-ad-invoking-Soros)

in a congressional race in southern Minnesota.

The ads are laden with anti-Jewish tropes

and portray philanthropist and Holocaust survivor

George Soros, a Hungarian-born Jew, as a malign puppet-master of the left.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1807977

[clambake]

when is it ok to wear red hats again?

[clambake]

idk boo, that picture looks ominous.

[clambake]

its too close to halloween for that spooky shit

[DMC]

Don’t think it will, tbh, but I also don’t think it’s off the table (even though I don’t agree personally with it). Wouldn’t be the first time there are exceptions carved out from the 1st Amendment. For example I can totally see a political push for that if the currrent specious environment continues. For good or bad, we’re reactionary by nature.


Which is why each party wants their people on the supreme court, since they will have the final say in these matters.


I think that has way more to do with community building than anything else. As the US has grown in population, it has slowly but steadily veered from conservatism to progressism and individualism to community. It’s a process that’s still ongoing and I don’t particularly think it’s reversible for obvious physical reasons. It can certainly be slowed down by the occasional misguided progressive policy.

Let's look at the hispanic community. It's written that only about 16% of registered voters actually vote. How many of the overall community do you think actually registers to vote? If a community of common goal folks cannot turn out to vote, what's the odds they are going to build their communities? So few get involved. Hell, many people don't even want to mend family ties, much less community ones.


But, again, I don’t think it’s the people, but the law that is the larger impediment. I have near zero doubt states like California or New York would implement a much tighter grip if it would be legal and I actually don’t think their citizens would be throwing a hissy fit about it.

I have no doubt states would vote in laws that are unconstitutional if they could get away with it. The framers of the constitution knew this as well.


I do think this issue will be coming to a head sooner rather than later (and by that I don’t mean immediately, but sooner than other politically charged issues). We’ll see if there’s a cathartic event that brings it to the fore where it can’t just be swept under the rug anymore. I also don’t agree that some of the proposals are placebo at all. I think some of them would be relatively effective, and might not even require a constitutional amendment. The usual suspects will fight them tooth and nail under the guise of freedom, but at the end of the day, reality speaks louder than words.

I don't think it will because these are spikes on the radar, not long lasting signals. There too much political rhetoric from each side, and too little fact and understanding. Because of this, the debate gets condensed into "they want to take our guns" vs "They want moar gunz". Neither is true, but those strawmen prevent any real discourse and I believe that's the goal.


You would be wrong about that. The Supreme Court once stood for segregation also. It took public opinion, followed by Congress to force their hand.

But the supreme court doesn't act over night, nor does congress. Congress can pass a bill and it be signed into law, but if it's unconstitutional, it will be challenged and overturned.


I don’t blame you for taking the immediate view and feeling nothing will happen, I would actually agree with that sentiment up to a certain extent. I do think it makes much more sense to tackle this one challenge at a time rather than wait until a reactionary decision is made on the backs of some despicable event.
The term "immediate" is subjective. We only discuss it during these events. If that's any indication of what the rest of the country does, what does that tell you? Why would it change?

[pgardn]

Why did the police show up since guns weren't the answer?

Maybe because they are law enforcement?

[DMC]

Maybe because they are law enforcement?

Oh hey, welcome to "already covered". I'm your host.

[pgardn]

Oh hey, welcome to "already covered". I'm your host.

Then the question never should have been asked by our host.

[Pavlov]

Oh hey, welcome to "already covered". I'm your host.That wasn't the question you asked. Why the edit?

[boutons_deux]

Trash's mob of shitbags, losers, fascist racists, knitter/Jew/mexican haters, including MAGAshooter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=66&v=opM6YIx3gA8

[DMC]

That wasn't the question you asked. Why the edit?

Rehashing same argument

[Chucho]

Trash's mob of shitbags, losers, fascist racists, knitter/Jew/mexican haters, including MAGAshooter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=66&v=opM6YIx3gA8


They would kick the shit out of you and your kind. Per par. You guys can't even beat up undereducated rednecks and inbreds. Buncha faggotty pussies is what you and your ilk are, Boots.

[CosmicCowboy]

They would kick the shit out of you and your kind. Per par. You guys can't even beat up undereducated rednecks and inbreds. Buncha faggotty pussies is what you and your ilk are, Boots.

Boots never gets off Spurstalk long enough to get outside and beat up. He is 24/7 playing internet warrior in his fake wood paneled bedroom in his momma's single wide.

[Winehole23]

DMC, following the president's lead, has turned a thread about an anti-semitic massacre into seminar on gun rights discourse and judicial supremacy

Nice deflection.

[Winehole23]

Anything to avoid talking about dead Jews and how we got there.

[boutons_deux]

Trash + Repugs: MAGAshooter? a lone wolf, we didn't radicalize him

Trash + Repugs: eg, Bataclan slaughter? they were radicalized by Muslim leaders, ALL Muslims bad

[Winehole23]

very true, but very hard to see how it will prevent white supremacists from voting for Republicans next month.


Silicon Valley is stifling political speech they disagree with to interfere in a US election.https://www.businessinsider.com/gab-temporarily-shuts-down-after-godaddy-pulls-support-2018-10

[boutons_deux]

very true, but very hard to see how it will prevent white supremacists from voting for Republicans next month.

https://www.businessinsider.com/gab-temporarily-shuts-down-after-godaddy-pulls-support-2018-10

1st Amendment guarantees that govt can't block speech.

Private companies, eg on Internet platforms, are free to block any and all speech.

Since oligarchy's SCOTUS perversely ruled that "money is speech", then a private company blocking speech is an equally protected "expression"

( Why did Internet wait until a Gab-ber slaughtered a bunch of Jews to shut down Gab? )

[AaronY]

I'm noticing you seem upset lately boo

[DMC]

very true, but very hard to see how it will prevent white supremacists from voting for Republicans next month.

https://www.businessinsider.com/gab-temporarily-shuts-down-after-godaddy-pulls-support-2018-10

Do you find it disturbing that the Russians have more success getting people to vote in the US than the Dems have?

[ElNono]

Which is why each party wants their people on the supreme court, since they will have the final say in these matters.

The SCOTUS does generally defer to precedent though, and never is a sure fire political tool. Many cases to name here old and new (Roe, Obamacare, etc). The fact that there’s precedent to it means that the bar is somewhat lower.


Let's look at the hispanic community. It's written that only about 16% of registered voters actually vote. How many of the overall community do you think actually registers to vote? If a community of common goal folks cannot turn out to vote, what's the odds they are going to build their communities? So few get involved. Hell, many people don't even want to mend family ties, much less community ones.

Turnout is cities is big, regardless of demographics. This is why the GOP hasn’t won the popular vote in a while and it’s becoming a trend more than a blip in the radar. The fact that a small bump in participation from minorities like African Americans and Hispanics could cement that is troublesome to an extent, especially because those communities are particularly tribal.


I have no doubt states would vote in laws that are unconstitutional if they could get away with it. The framers of the constitution knew this as well.

But the point is that it’s not necessarily a people’s problem, it’s a legal problem right now. Like if this would be left to the States, we’ll probably see a fairly different map on this issue right now.


I don't think it will because these are spikes on the radar, not long lasting signals. There too much political rhetoric from each side, and too little fact and understanding. Because of this, the debate gets condensed into "they want to take our guns" vs "They want moar gunz". Neither is true, but those strawmen prevent any real discourse and I believe that's the goal.

But the supreme court doesn't act over night, nor does congress. Congress can pass a bill and it be signed into law, but if it's unconstitutional, it will be challenged and overturned.

I agree that the current polarization level is counterproductive. But, again, this is discussing the now. The political landscape in the US wasn’t like this 50 years ago, why assume it’ll look like this 50 years from now?
Historically these levels of polarization end up with either a very ugly event (see: civil war) or a long period of hegemony (see: Reagan/Bush admins).

As far as the SCOTUS, yes that’s how it works, but there’s already precedent from the court that the 2nd amendment (or any amendment really) is not beyond being regulated as long as it’s specifically tailored for some purpose, some of which are contemporary. For example, on Heller, some arguments centered around which weapons are most common for home self-defense. Weapons that clearly did not exist when the 2nd Amendment was written, and might no longer be the popular choice when and if that topic is revisited.


The term "immediate" is subjective. We only discuss it during these events. If that's any indication of what the rest of the country does, what does that tell you? Why would it change?

You and I (or ST) might only discuss this during these events, but the actual political machinery that sustains a lot of this (ie: NRA, anti-gun lobbies) work every day. They have to, because politics is by and large about public opinion.

[Winehole23]

Do you find it disturbing that the Russians have more success getting people to vote in the US than the Dems have?that's a slight exaggeration, I do not think so.

but, if true, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving cohort.

[Winehole23]

had they been willing to be the party of good shit unashamedly, they might have done a little bit better.

people like good shit.

[DMC]

that's a slight exaggeration, I do not think so.

but, if true, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving cohort.

The Dems are saying it's true. Isn't this what the Mueller investigation is all about?

[pgardn]

Do you find it disturbing that the Russians have more success getting people to vote in the US than the Dems have?

What was their turnout given straight from Ria Novosti?

[boutons_deux]

"The SCOTUS does generally defer to precedent" :lol

"2nd amendment (or any amendment really) is not beyond being regulated" :lol

"politics is by and large about public opinion" :lol

[DMC]

What was their turnout given straight from Ria Novosti?

Trump 1

Clinton 0

POTUS total

[pgardn]

Trump 1

Clinton 0

POTUS total

Yes.

You got something correct.

[DarrinS]

Anything to avoid talking about dead Jews and how we got there.

How did we get there?

[DMC]

Yes.

You got something correct.

"Russians gave the election to Trump!"

"Russians didn't effect the voter turnout"

tick tock

[pgardn]

"Russians gave the election to Trump!"

"Russians didn't effect the voter turnout"

tick tock

No.

and No.

[Winehole23]

How did we get there?a gaslighting, shitbird president, who sows racial hatred and coddles white nationalists doesn't have "nothing" to do with it. the hysteria Trump is whipping up about the so-called caravan invasion definitely did.

you should watch the 2016 closing commercial featuring Soros, Yellen and Blankfein on the previous page to get a flavor of what I'm talking about.

[Winehole23]

Pence just had a Christian missionary cosplaying as a rabbi pray for a list of Republican candidates. Didn't even mention the names of the dead.

Wonder who the intended audience for that was. It sure as hell wasn't Pittsburgh or the Tree of Life synagogue.

[DarrinS]

a gaslighting, shitbird president, who sows racial hatred and coddles white nationalists doesn't have "nothing" to do with it. the hysteria Trump is whipping up about the so-called caravan invasion definitely did.

you should watch the 2016 closing commercial featuring Soros, Yellen and Blankfein on the previous page to get a flavor of what I'm talking about.


Are we talking about the same guy who moved the Israeli embassy and has son-in-law Kushner?

And the perp hated Trump?

Seems legit. I’d definitely run with that.

[Winehole23]

having Jewish relatives does not immunize Trump from responsibility for what he says.

the perp hated Trump because he wasn't doing enough to protect the country. he shot up a synagogue because he thought George Soros was behind the caravan.

wherever did that notion come from?

[Winehole23]

Pence just had a Christian missionary cosplaying as a rabbi pray for a list of Republican candidates. Didn't even mention the names of the dead.

Wonder who the intended audience for that was. It sure as hell wasn't Pittsburgh or the Tree of Life synagogue.it's even worse than the time the White House released a Holocaust Remembrance Day (2017) statement that didn't mention Jews or anti-semitism.

De-judaized it, Conway and Sessions did this recently too.

[Winehole23]

same thing happened in this thread.

people tried to erase the Jews and the anti-semitism and make it all about guns and security.

[DarrinS]

having Jewish relatives does not immunize Trump from responsibility for what he says.

the perp hated Trump because he wasn't doing enough to protect the country. he shot up a synagogue because he thought George Soros was behind the caravan.

wherever did that notion come from?


This is probably a good enough argument for people already inclined to believe it. Some dumbass shill on CNN said Trump has radicalized more people than ISIS.

[Winehole23]

sure looks like Trump radicalized Cesar Sayoc.

the Soros/caravan conspiracy theory has been percolating around for about six months in the right wing press and on Fox News.

[Winehole23]

face it, the US system was designed to prevent demagogues from rising to the highest office and that's what we've got.

[DMC]

face it, the US system was designed to prevent demagogues from rising to the highest office and that's what we've got.

Rock the vote next time. The system didn't count on low voter turnout. It must not really matter to most.

[Winehole23]

Rock the vote next time. The system didn't count on low voter turnout. It must not really matter to most.I'd put it the other way around. The political parties are so out of touch with the people, most of them don't see any personal stake in voting for either one.

[DMC]

I'd put it the other way around. The political parties are so out of touch with the people, most of them don't see any personal stake in voting for either one.

When it gets as bad as your sermons make it out to be, people might be moved to get off their fat asses and vote.

[Winehole23]

When it gets as bad as your sermons make it out to be, people might be moved to get off their fat asses and vote.Who knows?

I never believed in the worse to get better thing. Things can always get worse.

[DMC]

Who knows?

I never believed in the worse to get better thing. Things can always get worse.

It's mostly just disappointment from most of the left. Guys like you seem to go overboard with it and aren't rational. The market is good, home values are good, unemployment rate is very low. You few focus on the POTUS being a role model, but that's not why he was elected. Everyone knows he's a pig. His supporters thought we needed a pig.

[Winehole23]

It's mostly just disappointment from most of the left. Guys like you seem to go overboard with it and aren't rational. The market is good, home values are good, unemployment rate is very low. You few focus on the POTUS being a role model, but that's not why he was elected. Everyone knows he's a pig. His supporters thought we needed a pig.I get that last part. I don't expect the president to be a role model, but I don't expect him to be a bomb thrower or a boat rocker either.

I think your complaisance about apparently benign economic conditions and the fact that you got your own may be blinding you to incipient fascism. I wasn't kidding about this being a dry run. I hope I'm wrong about that.

Fascism isn't incompatible with economic liberalism or the international order, the CBC was fairly slobbering over the prospects of new investment in Brazil today.

[Winehole23]

recent US context:


The number of antisemitic incidents across the US as a whole rose 57% in 2017, according to an audit by the Anti-Defamation League (https://www.adl.org/media/11174/download), the largest single-year increase on record and the second highest number since the ADL started tracking such data in 1979.


FBI data for 2016 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016/topic-pages/victims), the last year for which figures are available, shows that 54.4% of victims of anti-religious hate crimes were Jewish, and 24.5% were Muslim.

[Pavlov]

When it gets as bad as your sermons make it out to be, people might be moved to get off their fat asses and vote.
Who did you vote for president in 2016?

[boutons_deux]

Tree of Life synagogue tells Trash to stay the fuck away,

but white (male, Christian) supremacist Trash is going anyway

to deliver another big FUCK YOU to Jews, pleasing his AmeriKKKa

[pgardn]

It's mostly just disappointment from most of the left. Guys like you seem to go overboard with it and aren't rational. The market is good, home values are good, unemployment rate is very low. You few focus on the POTUS being a role model, but that's not why he was elected. Everyone knows he's a pig. His supporters thought we needed a pig.

Im Okay, You’re Ok

Thats a book.

[Winehole23]

Today: DJT thinks he can change the US Constitution by executive order.

For what purpose?

To sow hatred for foreigners and division within the country leading up to an election.

[DarrinS]

Tree of Life synagogue tells Trash to stay the fuck away,

but white (male, Christian) supremacist Trash is going anyway

to deliver another bit FUCK YOU to Jews.


1057097507564634114

[DarrinS]

Lol, nice try


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf0-yC1-4OA

[Winehole23]

Trump snubbed by local and national pols.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/10/30/local-national-officials-decline-trump-invitation-pittsburgh-trip-synagogue-shooting/

[FrostKing]

Trump snubbed by local and national pols.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/10/30/local-national-officials-decline-trump-invitation-pittsburgh-trip-synagogue-shooting/
Distasteful CNN headline earlier

"Trump defiant in visiting Pittsburg"


I think that is why American residents are increasingly avoiding CNN. Bordering on anti-America

[DMC]

Distasteful CNN headline earlier

"Trump defiant in visiting Pittsburg"


I think that is why American residents are increasingly avoiding CNN. Bordering on anti-America

They've been going with both barrels since he got elected. Obviously they have lost a lot of face and their owners have a lot at stake trying to get the Democratic party elected. It's like something out of a George Orwell book.

[ElNono]

They've been going with both barrels since he got elected. Obviously they have lost a lot of face and their owners have a lot at stake trying to get the Democratic party elected. It's like something out of a George Soros book.

fify

[DMC]

fify

Fuck it, I'm going in.

[pgardn]

They've been going with both barrels since he got elected. Obviously they have lost a lot of face and their owners have a lot at stake trying to get the Democratic party elected. It's like something out of a George Orwell book.

He wants rancor. They abide. It’s a mutualistic relationship.

Both parties benefit.
He wants people mad, they CNN, want people mad.
Just adopt the Charles Barkley “ I am not a role model” and stick to touting taxes and SC nominees.
But he won’t, he must tweet the first primitive response that strikes him at a special moment.

[boutons_deux]

Trash complains it’s unfair that Barack Obama was not blamed for Charleston church shooting :lol

The president’s divisive rhetoric has been harshly scrutinized following a bombing campaign that targeted Democrats

President Donald Trump complained to one of his Fox News supporters,

Laura Ingraham, :lol

about the fact that his rhetoric was being harshly scrutinized as a result of alleged pipe bomber Cesar Sayoc campaign against a number of liberal targets,

even though President Barack Obama wasn't criticized after a 2015 racially-motivated church shooting in Charleston, S.C.

"I was in the headline of The Washington Post,

my name associated with this crazy bomber.

They didn’t do that with President Obama with the church,

the horrible situation with the church — they didn’t do that," Trump told (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-complains-of-different-news-coverage-of-him-compared-to-obama-after-sc-church-massacre/2018/10/30/e6782186-dc2d-11e8-b3f0-62607289efee_story.html?utm_term=.d9021cd060c7) Ingraham on Monday

the perpetrator of that mass shooting was Dylann Roof, an avowed white supremacist who brandished Confederate iconography and was no lover of Obama.

https://www.salon.com/2018/10/30/trump-complains-its-unfair-that-barack-obama-was-not-blamed-for-charleston-church-shooing/

Trash's ignorant, violent cult mob will accept not-"both sides", "why me, and not Obama?" as valid

[boutons_deux]

Users of alt-right social media site Gab celebrate the Pittsburgh mass shooting (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/29/1808237/-Alt-right-social-media-site-Gab-users-celebrate-the-Tree-of-Life-mass-shooting)

Less than a day after news of the attack broke, many were celebrating on the platform.

One user, Brett Stevens, posted a poll with the “#treeoflifeshooting” hashtag, asking,

“What should the future of Jewish people in the West be?”

The answers were disturbing, with

35 percent voting for “genocide[.]”

Genocide was only the second most popular answer.

The first was “repatriation.”

It’s not clear where Gab users expect more than 5 million American Jews to go, but that’s probably not their top concern.

That’s not all:

User Brett Stevens also posted another poll asking,

“Do you support the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter, Robert Bowers?”

Almost 25 percent said they did.

Commenting on the poll, one user said,

“As long as Jews support the indiscriminate genocide of my race, fuck yeah I do.”

Another stated, “Robert Bowers literally did nothing wrong.”


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1808237 (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1808237)

Trash's cult mob in Trash's AmeriKKKa

[boutons_deux]

Jew-on-Jew Crime

GOP Jewish campaign treasurer admits opponent’s ‘eyes were altered to look bigger and greedy’ in anti-Semitic mailer

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ed-Charnut-mailer.jpg

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/gop-jewish-campaign-manager-admits-opponents-eyes-altered-look-bigger-greedy-anti-semitic-mailer/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

Humiliated Conservatives Smear Pittsburgh Protesters After Thousands Turned Their Back on Trump

embarrassed conservatives long to smear the thousands of mourning Pittsburgh protesters (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/30/thousands-protest-pittsburgh-trump-visit.html) who turned their backs on President Trump, who was asked NOT to come to Pittsburgh until all of the slaughtered had been buried.

The smear is that the people who organized the protest have a goal is “Their coalition today incl. Democratic Socialists of America & the Int’l Socialist Organization.”

==


That big anti-Trump protest today in Pittsburgh was organized by a group called IfNotNow,

whose goal is to end "the Israeli occupation" of Gaza & the West Bank.

Their coalition today incl. Democratic Socialists of America & the Int'l Socialist Organization

https://t.co/abet1VyT7ppic.twitter.com/M4cA6iGaiY (https://t.co/M4cA6iGaiY)
— David Martosko (@dmartosko) October 30, 2018 (https://twitter.com/dmartosko/status/1057403521962782720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


Donald Trump Jr liked this tweet, :lol

so it’s already reached the upper halls of the Fake News Emporium that is our White House.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/30/humiliated-conservatives-smear-pittsburgh-protesters-after-thousands-turned-their-back-on-trump.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/kelseyjharkness/status/1057371811430785024?s=20

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/SohrabAhmari/status/1057433390604042241?s=20

Virtue signal fail.:lol

[Winehole23]

What does any of that have to do with the Tree of Life massacre, Nathan89?

[Winehole23]

NRA: globalist JOOZ want to take your GUNZ!

1057421896407547905

[AaronY]

https://twitter.com/kelseyjharkness/status/1057371811430785024?s=20


https://twitter.com/SohrabAhmari/status/1057433390604042241?s=20

Virtue signal fail.:lol
classic whataboutism smh

[FrostKing]

Tree of Life synagogue tells Trash to stay the fuck away,

but white (male, Christian) supremacist Trash is going anyway

to deliver another big FUCK YOU to Jews, pleasing his AmeriKKKa
I was concerned about you

[Nathan89]

classic whataboutism smh

Classic overuse of some term to shut down conversation. It for damn sure isn't even close to that overused term here because Trump isn't out rubbing shoulders with Farrakhan or sarsour. Or doing anything that indicates distaste for Jews. Oh, and the guy hated Trump. But nice buzzword.

[Trill Clinton]

1057626991833333760

[Winehole23]

yep, it's Donald Trump's world, we just live in it.

[SpursforSix]

They've been going with both barrels since he got elected. Obviously they have lost a lot of face and their owners have a lot at stake trying to get the Democratic party elected. It's like something out of a George Orwell book.

Make no mistake, CNN is giddy about Trump being in office. And Fox is probably thrilled as well. The worst thing for either of them would be a normal rational human as president.

[boutons_deux]

Gab’s CEO Says Pittsburgh Suspect Doesn’t Represent The Site. But He Spent Years Recruiting Racists Like Him.

Andrew Torba has promoted white nationalists and looked the other way as

Gab users posted racist death threats on his platform.

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5bd8f1ab2200001003dda375.jpeg?cache=icwecmb0k3&ops=scalefit_720_noupscale

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/andrew-torba-gab-robert-bowers_us_5bd8ed0be4b019a7ab582762?utm_medium=emai l&utm_campaign=__TheMorningEmail__103118&utm_content=__TheMorningEmail__103118+CID_9cb71b60 ae38b9cb6015bc949eb6cc95&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=HuffPost&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__103118

[Winehole23]

1057626991833333760Trump visits the site of a recent massacre, and feels sorry for himself.

[DarrinS]

NRA: globalist JOOZ want to take your GUNZ!

1057421896407547905


Criticism of specific Jewish people and/or the policies they advocate isn’t anti-Semitic. Just sayin

[Winehole23]

gotta admit, the timing is spot on. the shooter is a Soros conspiracy tinhat.

[Winehole23]

it's a pander. you're naive if you think the timing is coincidental.

[Winehole23]

the NRA is propping itself up on dead Jews and three Jewish billionaires to sow fear and mistrust.

what's so anti-semitic about that?

[Chucho]

Make no mistake, CNN is giddy about Trump being in office. And Fox is probably thrilled as well. The worst thing for either of them would be a normal rational human as president.

Possible it never happens again. There aren't a whole lot of rational humans in this country to begin with. We're so divided and people are so narrow minded and prejudiced to the other side that we're setting the precedent for shit candidates to win the Office because the vast majority of Americans are what we see here:

A bunch of partisans pretending to be concerned what's best for the country so long as it's along their party line so they can rub it in the other side's face because that is what the internet is all about.

[Trill Clinton]

Make no mistake, CNN is giddy about Trump being in office. And Fox is probably thrilled as well. The worst thing for either of them would be a normal rational human as president.

Obama was normal and rational

[boutons_deux]

Trump makes his (unwanted) visit to Pittsburgh all about him. Of course (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/10/31/1808719/-Trump-makes-his-unwanted-visit-to-Pittsburgh-all-about-him-Of-course)

https://images.dailykos.com/images/605879/story_image/GettyImages-1055521944.jpg?1540994056
A "small" protest against Donald Trump


https://images.dailykos.com/images/605867/large/Screen_Shot_2018-10-31_at_9.09.29_AM.png?1540992262

Nothing about the victims.

No words of comfort for the grieving families or the community, just,

the protests against him were “small,” “staged,” and probably fake, and

Donald had a lovely time.

And never mind that he wasn't invited (https://www.dailykos.com/story/2018/10/30/1808502/-Donald-Trump-didn-t-just-try-to-get-people-to-cover-for-his-Pittsburgh-trip-he-lied-about-it),

he wasn’t wanted, and

elected officials (https://www.dailykos.com/story/2018/10/30/1808446/-Donald-Trump-is-a-funeral-crasher-and-no-one-wants-to-be-seen-with-him)—both Democrats and Republicans—refused to appear with him.

He was “treated very nicely.”

Because that’s what really matters, right?

And besides this self-indulgent pat on the back,

Trump spent a good portion of his Wednesday morning executive time (https://www.dailykos.com/story/2018/10/29/1808226/-Trump-s-executive-time-expands-as-he-becomes-less-and-less-able-to-function-as-president)

returning to his same theme (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1057612657665171457) of hate (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1057614564639019009) that motivated the killer in the first place.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1808719

[Pavlov]

Classic overuse of some term to shut down conversation. It for damn sure isn't even close to that overused term here because Trump isn't out rubbing shoulders with Farrakhan or sarsour. Or doing anything that indicates distaste for Jews. Oh, and the guy hated Trump. But nice buzzword.A white guy killed eleven Jews.

You seem really unconcerned about that.

[Winehole23]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/605867/large/Screen_Shot_2018-10-31_at_9.09.29_AM.png?1540992262


Trump took down the tweet.

[SpursforSix]

Possible it never happens again. There aren't a whole lot of rational humans in this country to begin with. We're so divided and people are so narrow minded and prejudiced to the other side that we're setting the precedent for shit candidates to win the Office because the vast majority of Americans are what we see here:

A bunch of partisans pretending to be concerned what's best for the country so long as it's along their party line so they can rub it in the other side's face because that is what the internet is all about.

100%

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/ARmastrangelo/status/1057418223291908096?s=20

You can't argue that Trump is provoking people and then try to spin nonsense into evidence of Trump racism. In effect that would provoke people as well based on bs though.

Don Lemon spinning nationalist into a definitive sign of racism is another example.

Fake news has completely lost it.

[Winehole23]

^^^Mike TV just wants to talk about TV

[boutons_deux]

Trump took down the tweet.

the original tweet had a typo, was replaced with correction and music added

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/ARmastrangelo/status/1057418223291908096?s=20

You can't argue that Trump is provoking people and then try to spin nonsense into evidence of Trump racism. In effect that would provoke people as well based on bs though.

Don Lemon spinning nationalist into a definitive sign of racism is another example.

Fake news has completely lost it.You've completely lost it, Bernie Bro.

[DarrinS]

https://twitter.com/ARmastrangelo/status/1057418223291908096?s=20

You can't argue that Trump is provoking people and then try to spin nonsense into evidence of Trump racism. In effect that would provoke people as well based on bs though.

Don Lemon spinning nationalist into a definitive sign of racism is another example.

Fake news has completely lost it.


WTF?

[SpursforSix]

Obama was normal and rational

I should have said "non-polarizing". or "not so polarizing". My comments weren't a commentary on a president's politics.
Just about the ratings.
I don't have any proof but I suspect a large part of CNN and FoxNews viewers watch to either 1) get pissed off about something and/or 2) make them feel like they won something.
Which doesn't make it wrong (from a business standpoint) for those networks to continue to take sides.
But as for providing unfiltered, unbiased news, they fail.

[Spurminator]

I have no idea what Joe Scarborough was trying to say because the video cuts him off.

He may have had a shitty point but it's hard to make that case unless you hear what the message is that he's claiming Trump is sending.

Generally I distrust any video that is so purposefully clipped. Especially if it's tweeted out by someone with this as their cover photo.
https://i.imgur.com/pYvnMOg.jpg?1

[AaronY]

Classic overuse of some term to shut down conversation. It for damn sure isn't even close to that overused term here because Trump isn't out rubbing shoulders with Farrakhan or sarsour. Or doing anything that indicates distaste for Jews. Oh, and the guy hated Trump. But nice buzzword.
Yeah, good point! What about the dems?!?! What about what theyre doin'!!?!

What about it? Huh? What about it?!?

[boutons_deux]

Twitter unleashes on Mike Pence for asking “Christian rabbi” to pray for Pittsburgh massacre victims

This is not the first time that the vice president has gotten into hot water for his depictions of the Jewish faith

Jacobs' synagogue, Shema Yisrael, is a "Messianic" institution, and

Jacobs belongs to a sect of Judaism that effectively proselytizes Christianity.

In choosing Jacobs, Pence managed to seriously offend many people. Soon, Twitter was full of angry reactions.

https://www.salon.com/2018/10/31/internet-explodes-at-pence-for-hosting-christian-rabbi-to-pray-for-synagogue-victims_partner/ (https://www.salon.com/2018/10/31/internet-explodes-at-pence-for-hosting-christian-rabbi-to-pray-for-synagogue-victims_partner/)

Pence is one scary Christian Taliban supremacist motherfucker.

[Winehole23]

defrocked 15 years ago.

the fake rabbi is actually a fake fake rabbi.

[DMC]

Classic overuse of some term to shut down conversation. It for damn sure isn't even close to that overused term here because Trump isn't out rubbing shoulders with Farrakhan or sarsour. Or doing anything that indicates distaste for Jews. Oh, and the guy hated Trump. But nice buzzword.

Aaron has been mailing it in a lot lately. I think he got a second forum to post on so he's moonlighting I think.

[boutons_deux]

https://2vwlfu3ynqxb3npfhm3m8lde-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/pittsburgh-protest.jpg

The Pittsburgh Protest That Trump Called Fake Was Massive

The protesters turned their backs on Trump (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/30/humiliated-conservatives-smear-pittsburgh-protesters-after-thousands-turned-their-back-on-trump.html), and shouted,

“President hate, leave our state, (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/30/protesters-shout-at-trump-president-hate-leave-our-state.html)”

at him.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/31/the-pittsburgh-protest-that-trump-called-fake-was-massive.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[DMC]

https://2vwlfu3ynqxb3npfhm3m8lde-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/pittsburgh-protest.jpg

The Pittsburgh Protest That Trump Called Fake Was Massive

The protesters turned their backs on Trump (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/30/humiliated-conservatives-smear-pittsburgh-protesters-after-thousands-turned-their-back-on-trump.html), and shouted,

“President hate, leave our state, (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/30/protesters-shout-at-trump-president-hate-leave-our-state.html)”

at him.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/31/the-pittsburgh-protest-that-trump-called-fake-was-massive.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Two whole black people in that pic. Front line is lesbians. Definitely not representative of the Pittsburgh I know.

[Spurs Homer]

Two whole black people in that pic. Front line is lesbians. Definitely not representative of the Pittsburgh I know.

Still defending white supremacy.

[Winehole23]

Huh?

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/606010/story_image/1361.png?1541005542

[DMC]

Still defending white supremacy.

RG triggered into alt meltdown :lol

[Spurs Homer]

RG triggered into alt meltdown :lol

Hey, post this again - this time using your chucho alt!

[Chucho]

Hey, post this again - this time using your chucho alt!

Done and done, faggot.

[Spurs Homer]

Done and done, faggot.


:elephant:elephant

[Chucho]

:elephant:elephant

Chucho isnt DMC. But DMC is Chucho.

[Spurs Homer]

Chucho isnt DMC. But DMC is Chucho.

Obese hands are Obese hands are obese hands...

[Chucho]

Obese hands are Obese hands are obese hands...

Umm, ok. Keep being wrong, tho. Wrong about your political affiliation, wrong about your faux morality and wrong about about believing I'm DMC. LOL dipshit.

[ElNono]

sup Chucho... I mean, DMC, tbh...

[Trill Clinton]

Dmc is not chucho. Dmc is an old fat white guy and chucho is a middle aged white guy pretending to be a native American online.

[ElNono]

I was just messing with SH...

[Trill Clinton]

I was just messing with SH...

Sorry I was just trying to help SH out as well.

[Spurs Homer]

:lol:lol

It's all good - DMC keeps saying I am RG and his cuck boy TSA keeps saying I am djohn!

[Winehole23]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/606010/story_image/1361.png?1541005542yep.

both sideism isn't balance. it's a lie.

[boutons_deux]

yep.

both sideism isn't balance. it's a lie.

before Trash's Cville "both sider-ism" became shorthand,

it was "my deplorable Repug is no worse than / whatabout your equally deplorable Dem?"

[boutons_deux]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF14GVsUQAA2o3y.jpg

[boutons_deux]

The centuries-old history of Jewish “puppet master” conspiracy theories

The alleged Pittsburgh synagogue shooter thought George Soros was controlling the world economy. Here’s the anti-Semitic history of that far-right narrative.

https://www.vox.com/2018/11/2/15946556/antisemitism-enlightenment-george-soros-conspiracy-theory-globalist

====

Aliens, Antisemitism, and Academia

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/03/jason-reza-jorjani-stony-brook-alt-right-arktos-continental-philosophy-modernity-enlightenment/

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/1058053101649768448?s=20

That kid has issues. :lmao

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/1058053101649768448?s=20

That kid has issues. :lmaoYou're the real victim of the Pittsburgh shooting, Nathan.

[boutons_deux]

Trash's sicko racist cult mob is coming after the Jews

Arsonist sets fires at 7 Brooklyn synagogues and Jewish schools

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/arsonist-sets-fires-7-brooklyn-synagogues-jewish-schools-nyc-councilman/

[Splits]

Yes, I try to support other options besides big tech companies.

https://twitter.com/jasonbaumgartne/status/1059673359963828225

You go Nathan

[DMC]

:lol:lol

It's all good - DMC keeps saying I am RG and his cuck boy TSA keeps saying I am djohn!

Except I'm right. You and RG rarely post in the same thread. You both used "drip drip" and I've not seen other references to it, certainly not in the same context. RG has gone on a hiatus and you showed up.

:lol lousy attempt bro

[DMC]

sup Chucho... I mean, DMC, tbh...

Sup...


Doh!

[DMC]

Sorry I was just trying to help SH out as well.

You just mad that the LGBTQs have usurped your victim card

[Spurs Homer]

Except I'm right. You and RG rarely post in the same thread. You both used "drip drip" and I've not seen other references to it, certainly not in the same context. RG has gone on a hiatus and you showed up.

:lol lousy attempt bro

lol

fail!


That's all you got - "drip-drip"

don't forget:

Amerikkka!


:lol:lol

fat hand fail!

[Adam Lambert]

he also has your email, fyi

:lol

[DMC]

lol

fail!


That's all you got - "drip-drip"

don't forget:

Amerikkka!


:lol:lol

fat hand fail!


he also has your email, fyi

:lol

You responded just like SH when I nailed you to the tree of woe, swearing up and down I had no idea. :lol

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/jasonbaumgartne/status/1059673359963828225

You go Nathan

That's obviously going to be the first arrivals on a free speech platform. As more people come that is minimized. BTW, the data shows that gab has only 2.5x the "hate speech" of Twitter. That will go down if more users join.

[AaronY]

That's obviously going to be the first arrivals on a free speech platform. As more people come that is minimized. BTW, the data shows that gab has only 2.5x the "hate speech" of Twitter. That will go down if more users join.
Wow, only 250% more!

They should publicize that and run ads based on it

[AaronY]

"Gab--Now with just 250% more Nazis!"

[Nathan89]

I said "hate speech" not "Nazis". And I explained the reason. It's not big deal.

[DMC]

Wonder how much hate speech is on ST.

[Spurminator]

You responded just like SH when I nailed you to the tree of woe, swearing up and down I had no idea. :lol

I baited you into revealing you knew what all of my alts were, even ones I hadn't posted with since 2009.

There was no reason for me to deny it, since you obviously weren't just guessing.

[RandomGuy]

Wow, you're a piece of work.

Puh-lease, you know that if the terrorist had been muslim they wouldn't shut the fuck up about it.

They aren't even trying to hide their racism anymore.

[RandomGuy]

yep.

both sideism isn't balance. it's a lie.

Welcome to that realization. It is one of my least favorite ways that the right lies.

[DMC]

I baited you into revealing you knew what all of my alts were, even ones I hadn't posted with since 2009.

There was no reason for me to deny it, since you obviously weren't just guessing.

baited me :lol

You were ready to ELE yourself but I spared you.

You got embarrassed. Typical liberal - puts that mask on in order to gather courage. :lol

[Winehole23]

so, how is it that DMC knows who's using which alts?

[Spurminator]

baited me :lol

You were ready to ELE yourself but I spared you.

You got embarrassed. Typical liberal - puts that mask on in order to gather courage. :lol

Why would I ELE something I knew I'd lose? I only agreed to the ELE on the condition that you'd reveal your evidence. I knew you wouldn't, because it would require you to admit to having my email address.

And then you thought you'd be clever by giving hints about my alts from 10 years ago. You spared me the ELE bet and still gave yourself away.

Win win for me. Thanks!

[Chucho]

Dmc is not chucho. Dmc is an old fat white guy and chucho is a middle aged white guy pretending to be a native American online.

Trill is a black supremacist troll who says he isnt a racist despite all the obvious innuendos he posts. And a faggot.

[Chucho]

LOL, ST faggots all up in arms about alts. I'm probably the only regular without an alt, except my DMC account.

[DMC]

Why would I ELE something I knew I'd lose? I only agreed to the ELE on the condition that you'd reveal your evidence. I knew you wouldn't, because it would require you to admit to having my email address.

And then you thought you'd be clever by giving hints about my alts from 10 years ago. You spared me the ELE bet and still gave yourself away.

Win win for me. Thanks!
:lol

[DMC]

LOL, ST faggots all up in arms about alts. I'm probably the only regular without an alt, except my DMC account.

Spermy up there would start a thread and take moral high ground with his main, then go full sewer mouth with the alt.

Coward :lol

[Chucho]

Spermy up there would start a thread and take moral high ground with his main, then go full sewer mouth with the alt.

Coward :lol

I really need to stop responding to my own posts.

[DMC]

I really need to stop responding to my own posts.

You're telling you.

[Spurminator]

:lol

Nothing contradictory about that statement. I agreed to terms I knew you'd never agree to, which were to show your proof publicly. No surprise you didn't want to do that, but you gave yourself away anyway.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1059963266343022592

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1059963266343022592Hey Nathan, a right winger killed 11 Jews in a synagogue during a religious ceremony.

Any comment?

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1059963266343022592
whats the point?

[Pavlov]

whats the point?Nathan hates blacks.

[Nathan89]

Hey Nathan, a right winger killed 11 Jews in a synagogue during a religious ceremony.

Any comment?

Yeah, I'm aware of that guy that hated Trump killed 11 people. I'd normally post something like this in the starbucks thread but this thread was on the front page.

[Pavlov]

Yeah, I'm aware of that guy that hated Trump killed 11 people. I'd normally post something like this in the starbucks thread but this thread was on the front page.Was the Pittsburgh shooter a right winger, Nathan?

Yes or no.

[Nathan89]

What the Pittsburgh shooter a right winger, Nathan?

Yes or no.

I really don't know all the details. I just know he hated Trump and wanted to strong borders. I don't know all his opinions on political issues though.

[Nathan89]

Nathan hates blacks.

That's your narrative. Posting blacks doing stuff means you hate black people. Posting whites doing stuff means white people are evil.

[Pavlov]

I really don't know all the details. I just know he hated Trump and wanted to strong borders. I don't know all his opinions on political issues though.Then take a minute to look it up and stop spamming the thread with deflections.

Is the Pittsburgh shooter a right winger?

Yes or no.

[Nathan89]

Then take a minute to look it up and stop spamming the thread with deflections.

I don't really care about his political affiliation.

[Pavlov]

I don't really care about his political affiliation.Why are you in this thread, Nathan?

[CosmicCowboy]

Hating Jewish people isn't neatly categorized as right wing or left wing.

[Winehole23]

The guy killed a bunch of octogenarians at Tree of Life synogogue because he thought they were supporting the caravan. Where ever did he get such an idea?

[Pavlov]

Hating Jewish people isn't neatly categorized as right wing or left wing.

Would you consider this particular shooter left wing it right wing, CC?

[spurraider21]

whats the point? Nathan89

[hitmanyr2k]

1062483476061020160

[Winehole23]

Today, the FBI published its annual report (https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2017/topic-pages/tables/table-1.xls) cataloging hate crimes for the previous calendar year. This year, as has been the case every year since the bureau began collecting these statistics in 1992, Jews topped the list. And it wasn’t close. Of 1,564 anti-religious hate crimes in 2017, 938 targeted Jews. In other words, Jews were subject to 60 percent of anti-religious hate crimes, despite constituting just 2 percent of the American population.

https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/274937/fbi-jews-subject-to-60-of-religiously-motivated-hate-crimes-in-2017-despite-being-just-2-of-u-s-population

[Winehole23]

underreporting:


“As with past FBI reports, there remains a serious gap in reporting. At least 91 cities with populations exceeding 100,000 people either did not report any data to the FBI or affirmatively reported zero hate crimes.”

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s Caravan Hysteria Led to This

The president and his supporters insisted that several thousand Honduran migrants were a looming menace—and the Pittsburgh gunman took that seriously.

Representative Matt Gaetz of Florida wondered (https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1052629557826736129) whether George Soros—the wealthy Jewish philanthropist whom Trump (https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/politics/donald-trump-montana-speech/index.html) and several members of the U.S. Senate blamed for the protests (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/05/no-george-soros-isnt-paying-kavanaugh-protesters/?utm_term=.0273a95652aa) against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, and who was recently targeted with a bomb—was behind the migrant caravan.

Chuck Holton told NRATV’s viewers (https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/10/19/nratv-correspondent-migrant-caravan-invasion-under-guise-migration/221750) that Soros was sending the caravan to the United States so the migrants could vote: “It’s telling that a bevy of left-wing groups are partnering with a Hungarian-born billionaire

Matt Schlapp pointedly asked (https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/10/22/cnn-host-calls-out-matt-schlapp-fearmongering-about-migrant-caravan-marauding-bands-invaders/221762) the anchor Alisyn Camerota, “Who’s paying for the caravan?

“Because of the liberal judges and other people that intercede,

including George Soros, :lol Jew Time! :lol

Trump is reportedly aware that his statements about the caravan are not true.

An administration official told The Daily Beast simply (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-own-teams-know-his-caravan-claims-arent-true-dont-particularly-care?source=twitter&via=desktop),

“It doesn’t matter if it’s 100 percent accurate … This is the play.”

The “play” was to demonize vulnerable people with falsehoods in order to frighten Trump’s base to the polls.

. On Saturday morning, Shabbat, a gunman walked into the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh and killed 11 people.

The massacre capped off a week of terrorism, in which one man mailed bombs (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/trump-bombs-florida-tweets/574108/) to nearly a dozen Trump critics and another killed two black people in a grocery store after failing to force his way into a black church (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/us/louisville-kroger-shooting.html).

the shooter, who blamed Jews (https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting/h_0c180f52c8d032fd47eef570cc5065c2) for the caravan of “invaders” and who raged about it on social media, made it clear that

he was furious at hias, founded as the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, a Jewish group that helps resettle refugees in the United States.

“hias likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”

Ordinarily, a politician cannot be held responsible for the actions of a deranged follower.

But ordinarily, politicians don’t praise supporters (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/21/trump-says-fans-are-very-passionate-after-hearing-one-of-them-allegedly-assaulted-hispanic-man/?utm_term=.6f04a860f5d5) who have mercilessly beaten a Latino man as “very passionate.”

Ordinarily, they don’t offer to pay supporters’ legal bills if they assault protesters on the other side (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-incitement-violence/).

They don’t praise acts of violence against the media (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/trumps-desperate-endorsement-political-violence/573463/).

They don’t defend neo-Nazi rioters as “fine people. (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/)”

They don’t justify sending bombs to their critics by blaming the media (https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/25/politics/trump-blames-media-for-anger-after-attacks/index.html) for airing criticism.

Ordinarily, there is no historic surge (https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/anti-semitic-incidents-surged-nearly-60-in-2017-according-to-new-adl-report) in anti-Semitism, much of it targeted at Jewish critics (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/19/us/politics/anti-semitism-trump-supporters-twitter.html), coinciding with a politician’s rise.

And ordinarily,

presidents do not blatantly exploit their authority in an effort to terrify white Americans into voting for their party.

Trump did everything he could to fan the flames, and

nothing to restrain those who might take him at his word.

following Trump’s statements to their logical conclusion could lead to violence against his targets,

and it is only because most do not take it that way that the political violence committed on Trump’s behalf is as limited as it currently is.

The Tree of Life shooter criticized (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/27/us/robert-bowers-pittsburgh-synagogue-shooter.html) Trump for not being racist or anti-Semitic enough.

the shooter merely followed the logic of the president and his allies:

He was willing to do whatever was necessary to

prevent an “invasion” of Latinos planned by perfidious Jews,

a treasonous attempt to seek “the destruction of American society and culture.”

The apparent spark for

the worst anti-Semitic massacre in American history was a racist hoax inflamed by a U.S. president seeking to help his party win a midterm election.

he apparently chose to act in response to a political fiction that the president himself chose to spread and that his followers chose to amplify.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/caravan-lie-sparked-massacre-american-jews/574213/

[boutons_deux]

Trash is White Male Supremacist, and hates Jews, too

Trump Shut Programs to Counter Violent Extremism

The administration has hobbled the infrastructure designed to prevent atrocities like Pittsburgh.

What’s undeniable is that his administration has hobbled the infrastructure designed to prevent such murders.

In the waning days of Barack Obama’s administration, the Department of Homeland Security awarded a set of grants to organizations working to counter violent extremism, including among white supremacists.

One of the grantees was Life After Hate (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/01/13/statement-secretary-jeh-johnson-announcing-first-round-dhss-countering-violent), which The Hillhas called (https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/346552-trump-cut-funds-to-fight-anti-right-wing-violence) “one of the only programs in the U.S. devoted to helping people leave neo-Nazi and other white supremacy groups.”

Another grant went to researchers at the University of North Carolina (https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article158205859.html) who were helping young people develop media campaigns aimed at preventing their peers from embracing white supremacy and other violent ideologies.

But soon after Trump took office, his administration canceled both of these grants (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/right-wing-extremism-charlottesville.html).

In its first budget, it requested no funding for any grants in this field.

The cuts stem instead from two biases.

First, in keeping with their law-and-order mentality, Trump officials

would rather empower the police to arrest suspected terrorists

than work with local communities to prevent people from becoming terrorists in the first place, as the Office of Community Partnerships did.

Second, they believe the primary terrorist threat to Americans is jihadism, not white supremacy.

The Office of Community Partnerships committed the sin of working on both.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/trump-shut-countering-violent-extremism-program/574237/

Trash/Miller etc promote and protect White Terrorism, which abuses, abuse, injures, kills more Americans that any other "threat"

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“He was very calm and he said he’s had enough and that Jews are killing our children and the Jews had to die,” Thimons testified.


A third officer, David Blahut, said he did not ask Bowers questions because he had not been advised of his rights, but after being taken into custody Bowers told him “these people are committing genocide on my people and I want to kill Jews.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-say-accused-tree-of-life-synagogue-shooter-talked-of-killing-jews/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Great Replacement/white genocide rhetoric inspired Bowers

Tucker Carlson is currently mainstreaming very similar stuff on Fox News.



HIAS likes to bring invaders that kill our people.

I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered.

Screw your optics, I’m going in.

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On this date in 2018

May their memories be a blessing


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/caravan-lie-sparked-massacre-american-jews/574213/

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On Holocaust Remembrance Day, Tucker Carlson teases anti-Semitism and Christian nationalism.

https://archive.fo/C6NFM

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No consequences for Tucker, but Whoopi gets a two week time out for (ignorantly) saying the Holocaust wasn't about race because Jews are white.

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The gunman who killed 11 people at a Pittsburgh synagogue (https://apnews.com/article/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-ba843b83bf674d2603a07add574f13ea) in 2018 is eligible for the death penalty, a federal jury announced Thursday, setting the stage for further evidence and testimony on whether he should be sentenced to death or life in prison.


The government is seeking capital punishment for Robert Bowers, (https://apnews.com/article/pittsburgh-tree-life-synagogue-shooting-federal-trial-51a2f8a53f9285e8957b4e6a8b05818a) who raged against Jewish people online before storming the Tree of Life synagogue with an AR-15 rifle and other weapons in the nation’s deadliest antisemitic attack. The jury agreed with prosecutors that Bowers — who spent six months planning the attack and has since expressed regret that he didn’t kill more people — had formed the requisite legal intent to kill (https://apnews.com/article/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-death-penalty-eligibility-d20a4f7b7ec54ea6c32bd4e43178d353).


Bowers’ lawyers argued that his ability to form intent (https://apnews.com/article/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-antisemitism-judaism-23359e68988d7a31ade5c5a793d7e7fd) was impaired by mental illness and a delusional belief that he could stop a genocide of white people by killing Jews.

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the (((Soros))) discourse egged on a pogrom of Jews and probably will again


When I ran into local Jewish activist Jonathan Mayo at a protest wearing an "Immigrant Justice is a Jewish Value" T-shirt from Bend the Arc, I was excited as a Jewish Pittsburgher to see it.


I ran into Mayo just a week before the 7th anniversary of the murder of 11 Jews on October 27, 2018, the Pittsburgh Synagogue Massacre. Every year on the anniversary, I find myself frustrated that few mention that the shooter, Robert Bowers, said that he targeted the organization for their support of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS). The shooter accused local Jews of bringing in the caravan.
Mayo, who lived two blocks away from the massacre, said he likes to wear the shirt around the Squirrel Hill community, where he lives, to remind people of how the neighborhood's collective trauma was linked to Jewish support for immigrants' rights.


"I think we have to remember that, and I don't think enough people in my community do that," says Mayo. "It was a horrific antisemitic attack. But what was underneath that is the thing that is forgotten like the great replacement theory kind of things, that the Jews (are) bringing in these people. I mean that ‘the Jews shall not replace us,’ in Charlottesville. All of that lies underneath the motives of the shooter there."


Eleven Jews, from three different congregations that held services in the building, were killed that day in the largest Jewish massacre in United States history. One of those killed was Dr. Jerry Rabonwitz, a member of Dor Hadash, where I often attend High Holiday services.


Symone Saul had her bat mitzvah in Dor Hadash and knew Dr. Jerry Rabinowitz. She works for the Jewish immigrants' rights advocacy group Never Again Action and frequently likes to remind people of why her congregation was targeted during the massacre.


"It's something that I've been trying to continue to lift up because at the time of the shooting, the news was really flooded with the images of tens of thousands of immigrants walking to the US. They're calling it caravans," says Saul, who works for the group. "And it seems that the shooter Robert Bowers had been exposed to this great replacement theory, claiming the Jews want to replace white people by bringing people of color into the US. And so his response to these caravans was to blame and murder 11 Jews."


Saul says that the memory of those killed in the massacre has motivated her to get more involved in the immigrant rights struggle.


"I believe the best way to honor lives lost through acts of injustice is committing acts of justice. So that's how I try to honor the 11 human beings killed on October 27," says Saul.
https://paydayreport.com/jews-work-to-remember-pittsburgh-synagogue-massacres-being-linked-to-immigrant-rights/

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Heritage caping Tucker Carlsen blowing a neo-nazi in public


Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts stands by Tucker Carlson after the former Fox News host release his controversial interview with Nick Fuentes.

"The Heritage Foundation didn't become the intellectual backbone of the conservative movement by canceling our own people" x.com/KevinRoberts... (https://x.com/KevinRobertsTX/status/1983958755613262324)

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wow


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never thought I'd be on the same page as John Pod

that's how radical Republicans are now, they're pissing off Jewish neocons

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(anti-communist cold war libs)

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(Republican big tent keeps getting smaller)

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National Review minicons sound off


The issue isn’t merely that Carlson “platformed” a white-nationalist influencer.


This framing allows Carlson and his defenders to portray the interview and others like it as an effort at open debate, as a good-faith attempt at engagement with alternative views.


The deeper problem is that Carlson didn’t actually challenge any of Fuentes’s noxious views that he has spelled out quite clearly over the years. Fuentes has engaged in Holocaust denial (https://x.com/SocDoneLeft/status/1618056072690008069), called Adolf Hitler “really f***ing cool (https://x.com/seanfeucht/status/1983208681551335936),” and said that if his movement gained power, it would execute (https://x.com/maxabrahms/status/1983258577704755460?s=46&t=8C988nxa60Pfx0sNWLpicA) “perfidious Jews.”


Carlson didn’t even need to go back through old clips to find objectionable statements. In his appearance, Fuentes stated that the “big challenge” to unifying the country against tribal interests was “organized Jewry in America,” and he expressed admiration for Soviet butcher Joseph Stalin. He did not receive any pushback from Carlson.


It also can’t be said that Carlson’s interviewing style is simply to let his guests speak. In June, Carlson held a combative interview with Senator Ted Cruz that descended into an extended shouting match. Why would Carlson choose to take an oppositional tack to a senator who has been fighting for conservatism for decades, but not to a podcaster who praises Stalin? The obvious answer is that Fuentes is an avowed Jew-hater while Cruz is a staunch supporter of Israel.


Carlson stated during his interview that he thinks Cruz, Mike Huckabee, and other figures who are Christian and support Israel have been infected by a “brain virus.” About these “Christian Zionists,” he said: “I dislike them more than anybody. Because it’s Christian heresy, and I’m offended by that as a Christian.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/10/a-time-for-choosing-on-antisemitism/

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The Texas GOP is far right and for some time has been bankrolled by bigoted billionaires


Former Texas House Speaker Joe Straus said on Thursday that Midland oil magnate Tim Dunn, one of the state’s most powerful and influential GOP megadonors, once told him that only Christians should hold leadership positions in the lower chamber.


Straus, a Republican who is Jewish, relayed the encounter in an interview with former Texas Tribune CEO Evan Smith at the LBJ School of Public Affairs. It appeared to be the first time Straus publicly confirmed the anecdote, which was first reported by Texas Monthly in a 2018 story (https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/power-issue-tim-dunn-pushing-republican-party-arms-god/) that cited “Straus insiders.”


The alleged remarks came at a November 2010 meeting, shortly after Dunn’s political network had targeted many of the Democrats and moderate Republicans who had helped Straus ascend to the speakership the year before. With Straus poised to seek a second term as speaker the following January, he said he asked Dunn to meet in the hopes of finding common ground on “fiscal tax issues.”


But Dunn reportedly demanded that Straus replace “a significant number” of his committee chairs with tea party-aligned lawmakers backed by Dunn’s political advocacy group, Empower Texans. After Straus rebuffed the demand, the two began to talk about social policy, at which point Dunn allegedly said he believed only Christians should hold leadership posts.


“It was a pretty unsatisfactory meeting,” Straus said Thursday. “We never met again.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/04/tim-dunn-joe-straus-christian-texas/

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Mitch McConnell sees it too


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[BadMotorscooter]

The Texas GOP is far right and for some time has been bankrolled by bigoted billionaires

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/04/04/tim-dunn-joe-straus-christian-texas/

and you still lost and are losing voters because your side is joke and you cant deal with it......:lmao

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for zoomers WWII is about as distant in time as WWI was for my cohort growing up in the 1970s, and it shows


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Scientific racist Richard Hanania has some problems with Heritage caping for Carlson


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neither side has a monopoly on antisemitism, but one side tends to circle the wagons rather than ousting the antisemites


The MAGA Right’s Antisemitism Problem
By failing to draw a clear line, JD Vance and the Heritage Foundation put conservatism in jeopardy.https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-maga-rights-antisemitism-problem-ddbc39cb

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right wing Jews continue to put Heritage on blast


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[SnakeBoy]

(Republican big tent keeps getting smaller)

They control all of govt

[ChumpDumper]

They control all of govtNot according to them.

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They control all of govtyou underrate the people

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a political party that cares so little about governing and the people isn't likely to last very long

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Republicans are now the bad status quo

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Two or three years ago, people were talking about US conservatism as being, from a PR point of view, mainly a matter of slur management

I think they've tipped over approximately 100% into slur amplification

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Ben Shapiro wants to kick Tucker Carlson out of the movement

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National conservative Vermeule seems to think Nick Fuentes is inside the walls with him


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shorter Ganz: the Groypers are winning


The Republican Party is being roiled by the public revelation of its Groyper problem. At the Republican Jewish Coalition meeting in Las Vegas (classy, right?), speakers inveighed against antisemitism in the party. Radio personality Mark Levin inveighed against Fuentes, Tucker, and Candace Owens. But if you watch the speech, it’s less bombastic than shrill. The fact is, Levin seems nervous. And he should be. The momentum is not on their side. Go on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6zpgWyGKxo) and look at the comments. They are all anti-Israel or anti-Semitic. The groypers control the internet, the youth, and, therefore, the future.

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this article is the most granular rundown I've seen on the fallout from Fuentes interview


Tucker Carlson hosted Nick Fuentes on his insanely popular podcast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efBB0D4tf1Y) last week. The full interview garnered 17 million views on X.com (https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1982948948185886862), 5 million views on YouTube, and no telling how many of his reported 2.6 million Spotify followers tuned in but Carlson was the #2 podcast on the service last week (https://podcastcharts.byspotify.com/).

For comparison, the top rated show on Fox News (the most watched cable news program) drew 3.7 million viewers (https://www.tvinsider.com/1219169/msnbc-cnn-fox-news-top-shows-ratings-newsnation-newsmax/).
The top rated news show on broadcast television is ABC’s World News Tonight which averages around 7.8 million viewers (https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/week-of-oct-20-2025-evening-news-ratings/).

Tucker Carlson IS the American mainstream media in 2025. If he is platforming the frequently (https://nypost.com/2025/10/16/business/spotify-cans-nick-fuentes-podcast-for-breaking-hate-speech-rules/) cancelled (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/twitter-suspends-account-white-supremacist-nick-fuentes-day-after-restoration-2023-01-25/) Fuentes, that’s a big deal.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/11/maga-civil-war-america-first-israel-tucker-carlson-nick-fuentes-randy-fine.html

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Jewish allies and national Jewish orgs bailing on Project Esther and Heritage


The Heritage Foundation’s marquee effort to combat antisemitism, a coalition known as Project Esther, is rapidly losing members following the conservative think tank’s public defense of Tucker Carlson after he gave a friendly interview to the white nationalist and antisemitic provocateur Nick Fuentes.


At least eight individuals and organizations affiliated with Heritage’s National Task Force to Combat Antisemitism, launched last year under the Project Esther banner, have resigned or threatened to do so, citing Heritage president Kevin Roberts’ decision to stand by Carlson and his description of the television personality’s critics as a “venomous coalition.”


The defections suggest that Project Esther — unveiled on the first anniversary of the Oct. 7 Hamas attack as a conservative “national strategy to counter antisemitism”— could be imploding.



And the four co-chairs of Heritage’s antisemitism task force said they were asking members to “give us additional time” to address the crisis, according to a message they sent to partners that was obtained (https://x.com/AudreyFahlberg/status/1985537199207596294) by the National Review.https://www.jta.org/2025/11/03/united-states/jewish-exodus-underway-from-heritage-foundations-antisemitism-initiative-over-tucker-carlson

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The first public resignation from the task force came Sunday (https://www.jta.org/2025/11/03/united-states/jewish-lawyer-quits-heritage-foundations-antisemitism-task-force-over-tucker-carlson-defense?utm_source=JTA_Iterable&utm_campaign=JTA_DB&utm_medium=email) with an announcement from Mark Goldfeder, an Orthodox rabbi and the CEO of the National Jewish Advocacy Center, that he was quitting in protest of Roberts’ defense of Carlson.

“Elevating him and then attacking those who object as somehow un-American or disloyal in a video replete with antisemitic tropes and dog whistles, no less, is not the protection of free speech. It is a moral collapse disguised as courage,” Goldfeder wrote in a letter posted to X.

On Monday, the New York Post reported (https://nypost.com/2025/11/03/us-news/heritage-foundation-in-revolt-over-tucker-carlson-defense-after-controversial-nick-fuentes-interview-footsie-with-literal-nazis/) on the resignation of David Bernstein, author of “Woke Antisemitism” and founder of the Jewish Institute for Liberal Values, who had served on the Heritage task force. Bernstein said Roberts’ language felt like “a real attack against Jewish political agency on the American scene.”

“The phrase ‘venomous coalition aligned against him [Carlson]’—that’s me and any Jewish person who cares about condemning antisemitism,” Bernstein said. “It allows you to justify almost anything said in the name of political conservatism, and that empties it of all meaning.”

[Winehole23]

what's the other wing called?



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Carl Schmitt was more open about wanting to kill liberals

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it's been pointed out that if any essential disagreement exists between Tucker and Fuentes, it's mainly over which Jews need to be targeted for elimination from society


This interview between Fuentes and Carlson is almost textbook. You have the antisemitism of the gutter: Fuentes. And you have the antisemitism of a declining aristocracy: Tucker comes from this preppy background. His father was an ambassador, his stepmother is a Swanson heiress.


He sees an America that’s not the way he wants it to be. It’s declining, it doesn’t look the way he looks, it has norms that he doesn’t share. And you have Fuentes, who dropped out of college, comes from a modest background. He is dripping with resentment to a world that he feels doesn’t have a place for him.


A self-described “proud incel.”


Yes. It’s also very interesting that he does not try to hide or pretend that he is not socially maladjusted in some way. That lends him authenticity and makes people gravitate toward it.


This meeting between Tucker and Fuentes symbolizes the kind of recognition between these two groups. In that interview, in that moment, it is the most perfect encapsulation of antisemitic politics — declining aristocracy and a dissatisfied mob. Bring them together and you have a kind of coalition in itself.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/14/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-john-ganz.html

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senior fellow, National Review Institute


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Groyper shit is nazi shit

Vance says nazi shit


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BASH: Are you saying Israel is pushing Trump to cover up the Epstein files?

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE: No. I simply just asked out loud

BASH: You had AIPAC up there. It's pretty clear which govt you were talking about

MTG: I'm questioning that govt in particular & questioning any other foreign govt

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what's the other wing called?


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www.nytimes.com/2025/11/03/u... (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/03/us/politics/gop-tucker-carlson-nick-fuentes-antisemitism.html)

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Heritage board member steps down




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Trump is cool with the Fuentes, Laura Loomer says the GOP has a Nazi problem

Something's gotta give

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Rasmussen pollster warns Laura Loomer of the electoral downside of purging neo-Nazis from the GOP


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When reporters asked Baruch for comment he said, "Now, boys, you wouldn't expect me to deny that would you?"

https://www.colchestercollection.com/titles/chunk/I/international-jew/chapter14.html

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NY Young Republicans are having trouble distancing themselves from neo-nazis


“It’s deeply concerning that the New York Young Republican Club is planning to honor a regional co-chair of the far-right extremist AfD party at their upcoming gala,” Todd Gutnick, a spokesperson for the Anti-Defamation League, said in a statement. “The German AfD party has a disturbing history that includes antisemitic and xenophobic rhetoric. AfD has embraced the antisemitic ‘Great Replacement’ conspiracy, and its current leader, Alice Weidel, has denounced Germany’s dedication to Holocaust remembrance as a ‘guilt cult.’”
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/03/young-republicans-chapter-plans-to-host-far-right-german-leader-after-i-love-hitler-chat-00671540

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George Washington, true blue liberal


In his General Orders to the Continental Army (https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/99-01-02-11097), issued on the occasion of the end of the Revolutionary War in 1783, George Washington stated that one of the reasons the United States was founded was to create “an Asylum for the poor and oppressed of all nations and religions.” Other leading Founding Fathers—including James Madison and Thomas Jefferson—expressed similar sentiments (https://reason.com/volokh/2021/07/04/immigration-the-american-revolution-and-the-principles-of-the-declaration-of-independence/).

Washington sounded a similar theme in his famous 1790 letter to the congregation of the Rhode Island Touro Synagogue (https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/05-06-02-0135), in which he avowed that the United States has “an enlarged and liberal policy,” under which “All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship,” and that the U.S. government “gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance.” America, he emphasized, went beyond “mere toleration” of Jews to granting them full equality. It could do so because American identity was based on universal liberal principles, not ethnic or religious particularism.
https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/nationalism-is-driving-the-neo-rights

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https://www.thepinknews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Piers-Morgan-Nick-Fuentes-gay.jpg?w=792&h=416&crop=1


PIERS: “You’re not gay?”
FUENTES: “No. But women are very difficult to be around.”
PIERS: “Should they vote?”
FUENTES: “No.”
PIERS: “They should stay home?”
FUENTES: “Yeah.”
PIERS: “So you’re just a misogynistic dinosaur. Have you ever had sex?”
FUENTES: “No.”
PIERS: “Wow. Says the guy who never got laid.”

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"If you host a Hitler-apologist, Nazi-loving, anti-American piece of refuse like Nick Fuentes…and you proceed to glaze him, you ought to own it."

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insane MAGA toady Josh Blackman steps away from Heritage -- too antisemitic


Yet, Heritage came to a crashing halt after your infamous video. Your initial remarks were indefensible. Your apology was underwhelming. And the lack of any meaningful followup over the past three months has been telling. For reasons only you know, you aligned the Heritage Foundation with the rising tide of antisemitism on the right (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_HrkgsLDDt53ey8q9I0BDV-zIeypL2ckLArnWUH5ZaY/edit?tab=t.0#:~:text=8-,Senator%20Cruz%20Warns%20About%20Rising%20Antisem itism%20on%20the%20Right,-Senator%20Cruz%20Warns).https://reason.com/volokh/2025/12/21/my-resignation-from-the-heritage-foundation/

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Heritage hemorrhaging legal and economic staffers

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/exclusive-more-staffing-resignations-at-heritage-foundation-amid-continued-frustrations-with-organizations-leadership/amp/

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(Guess they figured out Christian nationalism doesn't hold any space for Jews)

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look who just discovered basic decency :lol

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look who just discovered basic decency :lol

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Pretty woke of her tbh.

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Can't be overstated how bonkers things must be at Heritage to lose Cully Stimson and Hans Von Spakovski. There's not many very people left at the Meese Center

(Cully Stimson doesn't believe in birthright citizenship, Hans Von Spakovski is a long-time voter fraud propagandist)

https://reason.com/volokh/2025/12/22/breaking-cully-stimson-and-hans-von-spakovsky-resign-from-heritage/

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many are jumping ship to join Mike Pence's non-profit


Nearly the entire legal and economic policy staff of the Heritage Foundation is departing the conservative think tank, and many will be taking up posts (https://x.com/AmericanFreedom/status/2003111940709872006) at Advancing American Freedom (AAF), a nonprofit (https://advancingamericanfreedom.com/) founded in 2021 by former Vice President Mike Pence. The mass exodus represents a dramatic rebuke of Heritage President Kevin Roberts in the wake of his refusal (https://reason.com/2025/11/21/conservative-think-tanks-should-never-have-crawled-into-bed-with-tucker-carlson-in-the-first-place/) to retract an October video defending Tucker Carlson for conducting a friendly interview with the antisemitic influencer Nick Fuentes.

"Why these people are coming our way is that Heritage and some other voices and commentators have embraced big-government populism and have been willing to tolerate antisemitism," Pence told (https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/top-heritage-officials-flee-to-mike-pences-nonprofit-as-think-tank-fractures-28765f2b) The Wall Street Journal.

More than 30 employees at the Heritage Foundation's Institute for Constitutional Government, Ed Meese Center for Legal and Judicial Studies, Center for Data Analysis, Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies, and Grover M. Hermann Center for the Federal Budget have resigned or were fired in the last few days. Those departing include Amy Swearer, who told Roberts he had lost her confidence as a leader during an all-staff meeting in November that leaked (https://freebeacon.com/politics/i-made-a-mistake-heritage-foundation-president-apologizes-to-staff-for-video-refusal-to-cancel-tucker-carlson-and-throws-shade-at-former-chief-of-staff/) to the press, and John Malcolm, a Heritage vice president and the foundation's top legal scholar, who was fired last Thursday after Roberts caught wind of the plan to leave for AAF, according to multiple sources. E.J. Antoni—who was briefly (https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/30/politics/ej-antoni-nomination-withdrawn-bls) President Donald Trump's nominee for Commissioner of Labor Statistics—is staying on and will serve as acting director of several of the aforementioned teams.

The departures follow resignations (https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/breaking-two-more-heritage-foundation-board-members-resign-amid-tucker-fuentes-fallout/) by three Heritage Foundation trustees: Princeton professor Robby George, businessman Shane McCullar, and philanthropist Abby Spencer Moffat. Sources say Moffat, who serves as president and CEO of the Diana Davis Spencer Foundation, has also withdrawn millions of dollars in funding from Heritage—and that she's not the only one. (Some of that money may have been redirected to Pence's group; "AAF said it was able to raise more than $10 million in a few weeks to make the new hires," the Journal reports.) And last month an antisemitism task force cut ties (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/06/us/politics/heritage-foundation-antisemitism-task-force.html) with the think tank.
https://reason.com/2025/12/22/heritage-foundation-undergoes-mass-staff-exodus-as-cracks-open-on-the-new-right/

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Charlie Kirk conspiracy kooks are cooking Republican heads


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August Rohling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Rohling)

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George Washington, true blue liberal


In his General Orders to the Continental Army (https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/99-01-02-11097), issued on the occasion of the end of the Revolutionary War in 1783, George Washington stated that one of the reasons the United States was founded was to create “an Asylum for the poor and oppressed of all nations and religions.” Other leading Founding Fathers—including James Madison and Thomas Jefferson—expressed similar sentiments (https://reason.com/volokh/2021/07/04/immigration-the-american-revolution-and-the-principles-of-the-declaration-of-independence/).

Washington sounded a similar theme in his famous 1790 letter to the congregation of the Rhode Island Touro Synagogue (https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/05-06-02-0135), in which he avowed that the United States has “an enlarged and liberal policy,” under which “All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship,” and that the U.S. government “gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance.” America, he emphasized, went beyond “mere toleration” of Jews to granting them full equality. It could do so because American identity was based on universal liberal principles, not ethnic or religious particularism.

https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/nationalism-is-driving-the-neo-rightsThe US isn't a Christian nation and never was

from the beginning the USA was a creedal liberal order


Last week, the American Enterprise Institute honored with its annual Irving Kristol Award the distinguished professor emeritus of history at Brown University, Gordon Wood. Wood is a preeminent American historian, especially well known for his detailed studies of the American revolution and founding.1 (https://www.thebulwark.com/p/amateur-hour-at-1600-pennsylvania-avenue-white-house-flailing?r=1emko&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web#footnote-1-179922064)
Wood’s extensive and impressive scholarship doesn’t fit into easy political categories, and in his long career, he has largely avoided opining on contemporary politics. At the AEI dinner, Wood pulled off the impressive feat of keeping the attention and interest of a D.C. audience for half an hour while never mentioning such passing preoccupations as Donald Trump, MAGA, JD Vance, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, or Zohran Mamdani. Wood limited his political remarks to noting that he had been an Adlai Stevenson voter in his first presidential election in 1956, but that, over the next couple of decades, he’d been “one of those liberals mugged by reality.”

Though he didn’t explicitly address today’s controversies, Wood had something important to say to us about today. He delivered his core message up front:


There has been some talk recently that we aren’t and shouldn’t be a creedal nation—that beliefs in a creed are too permissive, too weak a basis for for citizenship and that we need to realize that citizens with ancestors who go back several generations have a stronger stake in the country than more recent immigrants.

I reject this position as passionately as I can.


Wood went on to describe the efforts of American statesmen, especially in the early years of the republic, to deal with the fact that the United States was never “a nation like other nations.” He quoted John Adams’s doubts about this new nation where there was nothing like “the patria of the Romans, the Fatherland of the Dutch, or the Patrie of the French.” He noted Adams’s lament that the U.S. featured “such a Hotch potch of people, such an omnium gatherum of English, Irish, German, Dutch, Swedes, French, &c. that it is difficult to give a name to the Country.”

Immigration continued after the founding period, and the country became even more ethnically diverse. Yet Americans devised a way—thanks especially to Abraham Lincoln, “who found in Jefferson’s Declaration a solution to the great problem of American identity”—to forge “a bond that holds together the most diverse nation history has ever known.”

And so Wood concluded, “To be an American is not to be someone, but to believe in something. That is why we are at heart a creedal nation, and that is why the 250th anniversary of the Declaration next year is so important.”

(Do watch the talk or read the whole text here (https://www.aei.org/research-products/speech/2025-irving-kristol-award-presentation/), or read excerpts published in the Wall Street Journal here (https://www.wsj.com/opinion/why-america-is-a-creedal-nation-75676aa8?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqdenc8ZdcxKLvh8Kw8TrjvXbG0G3GSnyAuAHRcj uU5BB1pukhKGAJbz&gaa_ts=69258d75&gaa_sig=10vPoVDRbZipLO4EO29wqxvx8Gx51Qv8OvSKWcFSIN-RjwkFkdqh9D1ndAxPinmxLx_a6ZEXRniol3bSVF88Yg%3D%3D) .)

I’ll take the liberty of taking Wood’s conclusion one step further. If “to be an American is to believe in something,” then it is both urgent and important for us today to reject the nativism and ethnonationalism that has reared its ugly head. And it is both right and proper, as we celebrate the last Thanksgiving of our first 250 years, to be thankful that we live in an exceptional nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/amateur-hour-at-1600-pennsylvania-avenue-white-house-flailing

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from the beginning the USA was a creedal liberal orderand was reconstructed as such in 1866 and 1964-5

Trump is trying to reverse all that

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Laura Loomer boosted Enrique Tarrio in 2020

Qua MAGA influencer, Tarrio is now boosting Anne Counter's niece's Mein Kampf reading group/podcast

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Synagogue torched in Mississippi


A fire heavily damaged Mississippi’s largest synagogue before dawn Saturday – the same house of worship in northeast Jackson that the Ku Klux Klan bombed in 1967 (https://www.isjl.org/mississippi-jackson-encyclopedia.html) because the rabbi supported civil rights.


The Jackson Fire Department, the FBI and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives arrested a suspect Saturday night in the latest blaze after the fire department ruled it arson, according to lead investigator Charles Felton. Investigators did not immediately release the name of the suspect or the charges the person could face.


The fire was reported shortly after 3 a.m. at Beth Israel Congregation on Old Canton Road. No congregants were injured.


The library and administrative offices of Jackson’s only synagogue were reduced to charred ruins. Two Torahs were destroyed and five were damaged in the flames that erupted during Shabbat, the weekly Jewish day of rest, according to temple leaders. One Torah that survived the Holocaust was in a glass case and was undamaged in the fire.


Beth Israel has suspended services indefinitely.
https://mississippitoday.org/2026/01/10/fire-damages-mississippi-largest-synagogue/

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same synagogue was firebombed by the KKK in 1967


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