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Nbadan
10-31-2018, 01:05 AM
Bombshell new tapes show Trump aide Roger Stone claiming to be “in touch” with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange and revealing Wikileaks’ plans to release hacked emails ahead of the 2016 Presidential election. Mueller is reportedly laser-focused on Stone’s links to Wikileaks and is interviewing people about the calls. Shelby Holliday, who broke the Roger Stone story for “The Wall Street Journal” joins Ari Melber.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ0_VIWGXOo

I seriously think that Mueller is gonna make his findings and evidence so conclusively overwhelming that Congress and the Senate will be forced to act.

I wonder what Trump's alt-right buddies are gonna do when the report comes out....

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 01:21 AM
How is canoodling with wikileaks then lying about it on TV any kind of crime?

Consider: the MSM reported the leaks, the leaks were of obvious public interest, and HRC never challenged the veracity of the leaks. The press would have been duty bound to report the leaks no matter the source. I'm not sure why it makes any difference whether wikileaks got the information from a Russian cutout (Guccifer 2.0) or not. Even if Roger Stone coordinated the leaks with Trump campaign officials, how can that be meaningfully distinguished from garden variety oppo research?

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 01:24 AM
if Stone lied to investigators, that's one thing.

if the leaks were part of some kind of as yet undisclosed quid pro quo involving agents of a foreign government that would be another, but I heard nothing like that in the clip.

Nbadan
10-31-2018, 01:37 AM
Mueller seems centered on the stolen emails...


Last month, Mueller indicted 12 Russian intelligence agents for hacking emails from the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and Clinton’s campaign. The indictment seems to describe Stone, though he is not named, as an American who communicated with the Russian hackers about the stolen emails. The indictment says that “a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump” exchanged messages with “Guccifer 2.0,” which prosecutors believe was a front for Russian military intelligence. Stone has acknowledged contacts with Guccifer 2.0 and WikiLeaks, which is believed to have helped disseminate emails stolen by the Russians.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/08/roger-stone-randy-credico-mueller-assange-wikileaks/

Nbadan
10-31-2018, 01:46 AM
What did Trump know and how did he know it?


The line of questioning suggests the special counsel, who is tasked with examining whether there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, is looking into possible coordination between WikiLeaks and Trump associates in disseminating the emails, which U.S. intelligence officials say were stolen by Russia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mueller-asking-what-trump-knew-about-hacked-emails-n851941

Nbadan
10-31-2018, 01:51 AM
There is, of course, also the small matter of obstruction of justice..

A huge clue about Mueller's endgame

https://www.axios.com/robert-mueller-investigation-obstruction-justice-collusion-2128e27f-bbb6-4b82-9e28-c6f1244fb9e3.html


Axios has learned that special counsel Robert Mueller has focused on events since the election — not during the campaign — in his conversations with President Trump's lawyers. The top two topics that Mueller has expressed interest in so far: the firings of FBI director James Comey and national security adviser Michael Flynn.

Why it matters: That suggests a focus on obstruction of justice while in office, rather than collusion with Russia during the campaign. But both sagas are interwoven with Russia: Trump himself has linked Comey's firing to Russia, and Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about conversations with the Russian ambassador during the transition.

The Mueller and Trump teams are hoping to work out the specifics of a presidential interview within the next few weeks.

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 01:56 AM
Absent more information, it's hard to see how Stone coordinating with Russian cutouts and DJT campaign officials to release bona fide information that was in the public interest to be disclosed, amounts to a crime, unless Trump (or his staff) knew the information came from foreign agents, or there was a tangible transaction.

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 01:57 AM
There is, of course, also the small matter of obstruction of justice..

A huge clue about Mueller's endgame

https://www.axios.com/robert-mueller-investigation-obstruction-justice-collusion-2128e27f-bbb6-4b82-9e28-c6f1244fb9e3.htmlStone lying to Mueller, as I mentioned previously.

Nbadan
10-31-2018, 02:24 AM
Mueller could also go after Trump Jr...Trump Jr. went to the Trump Tower after he was told that a russian lawyer was offering him dirt on Hillary Clinton and that this was part of the ongoing efforts of the russian government to help him. (That was after the US intelligence-community had briefed both campaigns that Russia would try to meddle with the election and that the campaigns should report anything suspicious to authorities.) That is attempted collusion. He then crafted a false statement about what happened. That is obstruction of justice. Then he lied to Congress about what happened. That is legally equivalent to lying under oath.

Trump Jr. had Twitter-DM exchanges with Wikileaks, which US intelligence has categorized as a hostile non-state intelligence-service. Though Jr. didn't really respond to the messages, if it can be proven that he used the talking-points and the information and the hacked password Wikileaks gave him, then this is treason.

Chris
10-31-2018, 05:20 AM
:lol

hater
10-31-2018, 06:17 AM
:lmao

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 11:10 AM
:lol Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656)bot with absolutely nothing to say

Spurs Homer
10-31-2018, 12:26 PM
Absent more information, it's hard to see how Stone coordinating with Russian cutouts and DJT campaign officials to release bona fide information that was in the public interest to be disclosed, amounts to a crime, unless Trump (or his staff) knew the information came from foreign agents, or there was a tangible transaction.

You try really hard to absolve Trump of crimes, why?

Stone conspired with a foreign gov't to defraud the USA.

Assange/Wiki/Guccifer/Russia/Stone/trump & trump campaign officials

coordinated/planned/colluded/conspired - to steal documents from an American citizen (HRC) - a Felony

Stone communicated to the Trump traitors - on the release of these stolen documents - to influence an election
(example: when the "pussy grabbing" tape was released - wikileaks/assange/stone - conspired to release stolen material within 30 MINUTES! of the "pussy grabbing" news release)

This is called stealing an election or legally Conspiracy to Defraud the USA.

Add to this the coverup from Trump all the way down to his campaign minions who all lied about Russian contacts and you can see we have an illegitimate president. A traitor to his country. A fraud to steal the election by conspiring with a foreign gov't to attack another USA citizen in order to subvert the election of 2016.

But, (in your words) what's the big deal, amirite?

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 12:46 PM
Actually, I was trying to suss out what crimes Roger Stone may have committed, based on the disclosed information. It's not clear from what's in this thread.

You state a bunch of inferences as conclusory facts. We'll see what can be substantiated in court. Based on what I've seen in this forum, I find the case against Roger Stone -- despicable though he be -- less than convincing. It may well be that prosecutors have convincing information about Stone and will pursue charges to a legal certainty. I do not assume they don't have this information;you seem to assume they do. Vive la difference.

Perhaps Stone lied to investigators; if so, that should be punished.

This particular angle looks much weaker to me than the case against Flynn as it relates to the June 9th, 2016 meeting. Not all the Russian conspiracy allegations are equally persuasive/plausible. It's odd to pretend they are.

If you read through my comments here I didn't mention Trump at all, so the gripe that I'm somehow trying to get him off the hook goes nowhere.

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 12:54 PM
further, you haven't demonstrated that anyone did anything against the law.

you just assert it by fiat, wave your hands, and call anyone who questions you a co-conspirator.

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 12:56 PM
are you a recovering Cold War anti-communist, by any chance?

CosmicCowboy
10-31-2018, 12:56 PM
Actually, I was trying to suss out what crimes Roger Stone may have committed, based on the disclosed information. It's not clear from what's in this thread.

You state a bunch of inferences as conclusory facts. We'll see what can be substantiated in court. Based on what I've seen in this forum, I find the case against Roger Stone -- despicable though he be -- less than convincing. It may well be that prosecutors have convincing information about Stone and will pursue charges to a legal certainty. I do not assume they don't have this information;you seem to assume they do. Vive la difference.

Perhaps Stone lied to investigators; if so, that should be punished.

This particular angle looks much weaker to me than the case against Flynn as it relates to the June 9th, 2016 meeting. Not all the Russian conspiracy allegations are equally persuasive/plausible. It's odd to pretend they are.

If you read through my comments here I didn't mention Trump at all, so the gripe that I'm somehow trying to get him off the hook goes nowhere.

Especially given that Assange repeatedly said the Russians weren't the source.

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 01:00 PM
Especially given that Assange repeatedly said the Russians weren't the source.I don't know how seriously I'd take what Assange says. If Guccifer 2.0 or some other Russian cutout was involved, Assange would be legally correct to say he didn't get it from the Russians, but that would be misleading.

boutons_deux
10-31-2018, 01:02 PM
whine hole has been compromised by Pootin

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 01:03 PM
Ha

DMX7
10-31-2018, 01:06 PM
Mueller is on to this and probably much more that isn't even known about in the media and therefore isn't being reported.

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 01:19 PM
No doubt he does, but Spurs Homer acts like he himself is privy to the same.

clambake
10-31-2018, 01:19 PM
he'll need much more than that.


oh, and winehole is not the kind of person to be compromised by anyone or anything.

DarrinS
10-31-2018, 01:20 PM
You try really hard to absolve Trump of crimes, why?

Stone conspired with a foreign gov't to defraud the USA.

Assange/Wiki/Guccifer/Russia/Stone/trump & trump campaign officials

coordinated/planned/colluded/conspired - to steal documents from an American citizen (HRC) - a Felony

Stone communicated to the Trump traitors - on the release of these stolen documents - to influence an election
(example: when the "pussy grabbing" tape was released - wikileaks/assange/stone - conspired to release stolen material within 30 MINUTES! of the "pussy grabbing" news release)

This is called stealing an election or legally Conspiracy to Defraud the USA.

Add to this the coverup from Trump all the way down to his campaign minions who all lied about Russian contacts and you can see we have an illegitimate president. A traitor to his country. A fraud to steal the election by conspiring with a foreign gov't to attack another USA citizen in order to subvert the election of 2016.

But, (in your words) what's the big deal, amirite?


Lol, doesn’t even know whose emails were stolen.

Spurs Homer
10-31-2018, 01:50 PM
Lol, doesn’t even know whose emails were stolen.

Ok, DNC/Podesta/Hillary related emails...
(still a Felony):cry:cry

Spurs Homer
10-31-2018, 01:51 PM
whine hole has been compromised by Pootin

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 01:51 PM
point and accuse. that's all you got.

Spurs Homer
10-31-2018, 01:52 PM
No doubt he does, but Spurs Homer acts like he himself is privy to the same.

Public knowledge is more than sufficient to give anyone a clear picture.

boutons_deux
10-31-2018, 01:56 PM
repeating ...

Why have "innocent" Trash and his mafiya "forgotten" and/or lied about their numerous, long-time contacts with Russians?

wanted an extra-governmental crypto-channel from WH to Moscow?

hater
10-31-2018, 01:56 PM
are you a recovering Cold War anti-communist, by any chance?

:lmao

hater
10-31-2018, 01:57 PM
Mueller is on to this and probably much more that isn't even known about in the media and therefore isn't being reported.

Its so top secret that it wont even show up on his final nothingburger report :lmao

hater
10-31-2018, 01:59 PM
point and accuse. that's all you got.

Damn another victim of the neo red scare. Sorry ma nig. :tu

TSA
10-31-2018, 02:31 PM
Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656)bot with absolutely nothing to say
There’s nothing more to do than laugh when the same Roger Stone story keeps getting lipstick put on it.

pgardn
10-31-2018, 02:46 PM
There’s nothing more to do than laugh when the same Roger Stone story keeps getting lipstick put on it.

Then maybe Roger should just shut up about his impending indictment how about?

DMX7
10-31-2018, 03:08 PM
Its so top secret that it wont even show up on his final nothingburger report :lmao

That doesn't make sense. :lol

DMC
10-31-2018, 03:32 PM
You try really hard to absolve Trump of crimes, why?

Stone conspired with a foreign gov't to defraud the USA.

Assange/Wiki/Guccifer/Russia/Stone/trump & trump campaign officials

coordinated/planned/colluded/conspired - to steal documents from an American citizen (HRC) - a Felony

Stone communicated to the Trump traitors - on the release of these stolen documents - to influence an election
(example: when the "pussy grabbing" tape was released - wikileaks/assange/stone - conspired to release stolen material within 30 MINUTES! of the "pussy grabbing" news release)

This is called stealing an election or legally Conspiracy to Defraud the USA.

Add to this the coverup from Trump all the way down to his campaign minions who all lied about Russian contacts and you can see we have an illegitimate president. A traitor to his country. A fraud to steal the election by conspiring with a foreign gov't to attack another USA citizen in order to subvert the election of 2016.

But, (in your words) what's the big deal, amirite?

You can't be this stupid. Winehole23 has done nothing of the sort. He's analyzing the situation, not going to bat for either party or outcome. Maybe that concept is lost on you, or you're just a really bad troll (you lay on the stupid pretty thick).

Spurs Homer
10-31-2018, 05:45 PM
You can't be this stupid. Winehole23 has done nothing of the sort. He's analyzing the situation, not going to bat for either party or outcome. Maybe that concept is lost on you, or you're just a really bad troll (you lay on the stupid pretty thick).


Trump and his campaign committed several Felonies. (see indicted/guilty pleas/cooperating witnesses - all from Trump's campaign) not theories - all facts.
Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in Felonies. (see Michael Cohen's guilty plea filed in a US court)
Russia cyberattacked the USA and it was proven by every US intel agencies that Russia favored Trump.
Trump and his people have lied about it, obstructed the investigation and have even taken Russia's side.
(as have you , winehole , TSA, Chris et al)

Winehole just stated "what's the big deal?"

Here you are fighting for and defending the traitor in chief -

I think it is a very big deal.

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 05:49 PM
Assange goes from traitor to hero to traitor depending on whose ox is gored.

The Washington Post denounces him today, but once upon a time it propped itself up on Assange to win a Pulitzer.

clambake
10-31-2018, 05:50 PM
Trump and his campaign committed several Felonies. (see indicted/guilty pleas/cooperating witnesses - all from Trump's campaign) not theories - all facts.
Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in Felonies. (see Michael Cohen's guilty plea filed in a US court)
Russia cyberattacked the USA and it was proven by every US intel agencies that Russia favored Trump.
Trump and his people have lied about it, obstructed the investigation and have even taken Russia's side.
(as have you , winehole , TSA, Chris et al)

Winehole just stated "what's the big deal?"

Here you are fighting for and defending the traitor in chief -

I think it is a very big deal.

ok, were just waiting for something that resembles a crime. a boatload of words aint proof.

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 05:54 PM
Trump and his campaign committed several Felonies. (see indicted/guilty pleas/cooperating witnesses - all from Trump's campaign) not theories - all facts.
Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in Felonies. (see Michael Cohen's guilty plea filed in a US court)
Russia cyberattacked the USA and it was proven by every US intel agencies that Russia favored Trump.
Trump and his people have lied about it, obstructed the investigation and have even taken Russia's side.
(as have you , winehole , TSA, Chris et al)

Winehole just stated "what's the big deal?"

Here you are fighting for and defending the traitor in chief -

I think it is a very big deal.I never said it wasn't a big deal

I just don't believe everything you say, or that gets posted here.

Just curious, what do you think I lied about?

TSA
10-31-2018, 05:58 PM
Trump and his campaign committed several Felonies. (see indicted/guilty pleas/cooperating witnesses - all from Trump's campaign) not theories - all facts.
Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in Felonies. (see Michael Cohen's guilty plea filed in a US court)
Russia cyberattacked the USA and it was proven by every US intel agencies that Russia favored Trump.
Trump and his people have lied about it, obstructed the investigation and have even taken Russia's side.
(as have you , winehole , TSA, Chris et al)

Winehole just stated "what's the big deal?"

Here you are fighting for and defending the traitor in chief -

I think it is a very big deal.

Which of those several felonies had anything to do with colluding with Russia during the election? You can’t name one.
No indictment, no guilty plea, no cooperating witness has anything to do with Trump/Russia election collusion - all facts.

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 06:00 PM
I don't dispute that Russia cyberattacked the USA. We probably differ as to the efficacy of those efforts. I doubt it got Trump over the finish line.

That said, foreign efforts to influence elections are a serious matter and I wish DJT took it more seriously.

I don't dispute that the Michael Cohen prosecution relates to possible campaign finance violations by Trump. Let the chips fall where they may.

There is no doubt that various Trump campaign officials have lied to investigators; they pleaded guilty to it and must brave the temporal consequences for protecting themselves and their boss.

I deny that by questioning your arrogant presumption and leapings to conclusion that I have taken Russia's part; I owe you no allegiance. Nor any to your conclusions.

I think you stretch the point and go way past disclosed information when you say Trump committed felonies (not related to porn star/Playboy Bunny hush money); that has not yet been proven to a legal certainty, however certain you may feel of it.

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 06:08 PM
Expecting everyone to bow to your conclusions, then castigating them when they don't, is infantile.

pgardn
10-31-2018, 06:10 PM
Trump and his campaign committed several Felonies. (see indicted/guilty pleas/cooperating witnesses - all from Trump's campaign) not theories - all facts.
Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in Felonies. (see Michael Cohen's guilty plea filed in a US court)
Russia cyberattacked the USA and it was proven by every US intel agencies that Russia favored Trump.
Trump and his people have lied about it, obstructed the investigation and have even taken Russia's side.
(as have you , winehole , TSA, Chris et al)

Winehole just stated "what's the big deal?"

Here you are fighting for and defending the traitor in chief -

I think it is a very big deal.

You forgot me as well.

The big deal is Russia interference.
Not the fact that Trump won.
Again.

The election was going to be close anyway. If you look at how the electoral college went no one would have guessed it. Hillary WON some very close contests as well. What did the Russians do wrong? It was their way of showing us they could f with elections. They practically shoved it in our face. The reaction specifically by Trump to the interference has been carried out by congress and dealt with. We will find more.

Spurs Homer
10-31-2018, 07:12 PM
ok, were just waiting for something that resembles a crime. a boatload of words aint proof.

See Flynn, Manafort, Gates etc...

all crimes, all felonies, all Trump campaign team.

Spurs Homer
10-31-2018, 07:13 PM
I never said it wasn't a big deal

I just don't believe everything you say, or that gets posted here.

Just curious, what do you think I lied about?

I don't think I said you lied - I quoted when you said "whats the big deal?"

Don't believe I accused you of lying.

Spurs Homer
10-31-2018, 07:16 PM
Which of those several felonies had anything to do with colluding with Russia during the election? You can’t name one.
No indictment, no guilty plea, no cooperating witness has anything to do with Trump/Russia election collusion - all facts.

When someone commits crimes (Manafort/Flynn/Gates etc -)

why do you automatically overlook them and immediately go to your default? (protecting Trump)

They are criminals who worked for a criminal campaign headed by a criminal and a traitor, why is that something you continue to defend?

Had Obama and his entire cabinet been busted - would you be here 24/7 defending Obama's team and Obama's felonies?

You drank the kool-aid a long time ago and cannot even see how misguided your defense of criminals and traitors is anymore.

Spurs Homer
10-31-2018, 07:22 PM
I don't dispute that Russia cyberattacked the USA. We probably differ as to the efficacy of those efforts. I doubt it got Trump over the finish line.

That said, foreign efforts to influence elections are a serious matter and I wish DJT took it more seriously.

I don't dispute that the Michael Cohen prosecution relates to possible campaign finance violations by Trump. Let the chips fall where they may.

There is no doubt that various Trump campaign officials have lied to investigators; they pleaded guilty to it and must brave the temporal consequences for protecting themselves and their boss.

I deny that by questioning your arrogant presumption and leapings to conclusion that I have taken Russia's part; I owe you no allegiance. Nor any to your conclusions.

I think you stretch the point and go way past disclosed information when you say Trump committed felonies (not related to porn star/Playboy Bunny hush money); that has not yet been proven to a legal certainty, however certain you may feel of it.

Fair enough. I can agree with most of that.

It is disturbing to see defenders of this administration way past the time when there is even a question of impropriety but it is where we are now. I think the alarm was sounded a long time ago by people like Brennan,Comey and other patriots but no one seems to respond and we are lulled into thinking this isn't as big a deal as it really is.

The Helsinki debacle should have made it 100% clear who Trump is and who he works for but people still make excuses for something they saw with their own eyes and refuse to believe.

Very disturbing.

boutons_deux
10-31-2018, 07:28 PM
80K votes out of 135M gave him 3 states' EC electors. Those 3 all shifted after Nunes received ratfucker Comey's 2nd Hillary email stuff.

All Pootin had to do was what he did, inflame, lie, misrepresent, illegal financing (NRA) with his boy Assange dribbling out email for weeks.

Pootin seriously contributed to hurting Hillary, then ratfuckers Nunes/Comey finished her off

Spurs Homer
10-31-2018, 07:35 PM
80K votes out of 135M gave him 3 states' EC electors. Those 3 all shifted after Nunes received ratfucker Comey's 2nd Hillary email stuff.

All Pootin had to do was what he did, inflame, lie, misrepresent, illegal financing (NRA) with his boy Assange dribbling out email for weeks.

Pootin seriously contributed to hurting Hillary, then ratfuckers Nunes/Comey finished her off

Don't forget - one of the items stolen was the actual Hillary campaign strategy/game plan/ and given to the Trump campaign - this was huge in coordinating where Trump directed his efforts or saved his resources to attack elsewhere in order to win.

I disagree with those that continue to parrot the "no votes were changed" or the "russia didn't affect the outcome" lines because it can and will be proven to be bs.

Spurs Homer
10-31-2018, 07:37 PM
You forgot me as well.

The big deal is Russia interference.
Not the fact that Trump won.
Again.

The election was going to be close anyway. If you look at how the electoral college went no one would have guessed it. Hillary WON some very close contests as well. What did the Russians do wrong? It was their way of showing us they could f with elections. They practically shoved it in our face. The reaction specifically by Trump to the interference has been carried out by congress and dealt with. We will find more.

I predict that the evidence will show that Trump wins nothing without Russia's help. Too bad our system is slow and we cannot undo the fact that this fraud actually was recognized as President when he stole the presidency and I predict we will learn that fact in time.

DarrinS
10-31-2018, 07:58 PM
I predict that the evidence will show that Trump wins nothing without Russia's help. Too bad our system is slow and we cannot undo the fact that this fraud actually was recognized as President when he stole the presidency and I predict we will learn that fact in time.


Well, good luck with that.

pgardn
10-31-2018, 10:46 PM
I predict that the evidence will show that Trump wins nothing without Russia's help. Too bad our system is slow and we cannot undo the fact that this fraud actually was recognized as President when he stole the presidency and I predict we will learn that fact in time.

Fair enough.

We will never find out everything, but I predict you are wrong.
There was a significant backlash already brewing. We learned a lot about silent voters that did not necessarily like Trump but clearly did not want Hillary. You must also understand that some (a minor amount) of propaganda has been used against a Trump by the Russians.

Interfere is the operative description. We chose our leader. A huge error imo, but we chose him.

Winehole23
10-31-2018, 11:04 PM
Don't forget - one of the items stolen was the actual Hillary campaign strategy/game plan/ and given to the Trump campaign - this was huge in coordinating where Trump directed his efforts or saved his resources to attack elsewhere in order to win.

I disagree with those that continue to parrot the "no votes were changed" or the "russia didn't affect the outcome" lines because it can and will be proven to be bs.It's damn hard to prove counterfactuals, but one can hardly imagine a worse breach of campaign security than having the field operations plans stolen.

Having just skimmed the WaPo and AP articles about the June indictments of Russian hackers, there's nothing there to indicate Trump or his campaign were knowingly in contact with the Russians responsible, but an unnamed person was in contact with both.

Roger Stone?

Assuming so, there are a few gaps to be filled in to get to criminal conspiracy.

I get the superciliousness, I even get the ire and rage.

What I don't get is your dead certainty about the result of conspiracy charges (against Trump and his campaign) that haven't been brought and may not even be pending.

We'll see.

TSA
10-31-2018, 11:23 PM
When someone commits crimes (Manafort/Flynn/Gates etc -)

why do you automatically overlook them and immediately go to your default? (protecting Trump)

They are criminals who worked for a criminal campaign headed by a criminal and a traitor, why is that something you continue to defend?

Had Obama and his entire cabinet been busted - would you be here 24/7 defending Obama's team and Obama's felonies?

You drank the kool-aid a long time ago and cannot even see how misguided your defense of criminals and traitors is anymore.

Stop dodging.

Which of those several felonies had anything to do with colluding with Russia during the election? Name one.

DMC
11-01-2018, 12:20 AM
When you’re fucking stupid enough to whatabout and make up false equivalence arguments to defend the dispicable nature of today’s party of trump, there is nothing objective about you.

Wrong account fat dipshit. Go back to your trailer house with your fat wife and talk about Jesus.

Chucho
11-01-2018, 12:22 AM
Wrong account fat dipshit. Go back to your trailer house with your fat wife and talk about Jesus.

He's Spurs Homer. His xanax and lithium wears off so he starts sweating. Unsure of the need to log into different accounts just to rattle off swear words.

DMC
11-01-2018, 12:28 AM
He's Spurs Homer. His xanax and lithium wears off so he starts sweating. Unsure of the need to log into different accounts just to rattle off swear words.

Why am I talking to myself?

Chucho
11-01-2018, 12:31 AM
Why am I talking to myself?

I'm such a dumb beaner. I keep fucking my alts charade up.

Winehole23
11-01-2018, 12:33 AM
When you’re fucking stupid enough to whatabout and make up false equivalence arguments to defend the dispicable nature of today’s party of trump, there is nothing objective about you.I must have missed where I defended Trump or raised a false equivalence?

Can you point out where I did?

Nbadan
11-03-2018, 09:07 PM
All I known is that there is much more red meat here than in the Hilary e-mail scandal. It will come down to what Stone knew and when did he know it and what was he telling the Trump campaign before Assage released Hillary's hacked email.

Right now, obstructing justice by firing Comey, going after Rosenthal, and trying to go after Mueller and then appoint his own boy to investigate him...its overwhelming..

boutons_deux
11-03-2018, 09:30 PM
All I known is that there is much more red meat here than in the Hilary e-mail scandal. It will come down to what Stone knew and when did he know it and what was he telling the Trump campaign before Assage released Hillary's hacked email.

Right now, obstructing justice by firing Comey, going after Rosenthal, and trying to go after Mueller and then appoint his own boy to investigate him...its overwhelming..

Yates, too

boasting in public to Russians that he fired Comey to stop the Russian investigation