Why are ppl rooting for us to win?

[duncan2k5]

Seriously? I'm a massive spurs fan... But what's the point? To stat pad Pop's legacy just to get smashed in the first round and live in mediocrity for decades?

Hear me out... I'm not necessarily saying tank (even though that did bring us Duncan, and the best twenty year run in sports history arguably), but I think losing will FORCE Pop and the front office to make moves...

We all know that historically they get comfy if they are at least in the playoff hunt, regardless if we are contending or not... Currently we KNOW we can't win a championship with Aldridge as the alpha and DDR as the beta (and if DDR became the alpha, LMA would pout and struggle). We need to make huge mid-season trades before these guys hit the playoffs and their value plummets even more when they inevitably choke... I think mid-season trades only happen if we are losing badly on a consistent basis

Even if for a silly reason like Pop wanting to save his legacy, losing will bring well needed changes... Winning will have us become the Jazz

[JeffDuncan]

Why root for the Spurs to win, well, it's like having an appendix. Whether it serves any purpose, or not, it's there.

[duncan2k5]

We can either lose and have our FO be forced to make mid-season trades... Or be a mediocre team that loses in the first round for the next ten years

[duncan2k5]

We aren't gonna get free agents... We can only get better by trades and drafting... Spurs historically stand pat when we look at least mediocre...

[SpursDynasty85]

Lol. Make trades for the sake of making trades. You are a genius! So what realistic trades wins us a championship? ... won't wait, there are not any. You go around shopping you risk losing your reputation as a vet and player friendly organization as well as half the season ticket holders who like going to the playoffs. Only realistic trades is to ultimately rebuild and risk missing the playoffs numerous times with no guarantee of even being a 50 win team.

[Mirrornick]

i'll hop on the tankwaggon as soon as we go 10 games under 500

fuck it maybe even 5 games under .500

Zion Williamson is one unique talent. He's already bigger and stronger than most nba players.

[John B]

Dubs are imploding, and outside of them it’s really up for the taking. Imo Spurs are good just needed tweaks and getting healthy. Spurs haven’t played their best basketball. I get frustrated also watching Spurs lose to mediocre team, but it should get better from here. GSG

[Play Boban]

Because they’re Spurs fans and not Kawhitter fans like the OP tbh.

[8FOR!3]

Who gives a shit which way we root for? What's going to happen is going to happen regardless, might as well cheer the team on and not be a miserable fuck. And if we have a shitty record and have to make trades or have a high draft pick, great. If we make the playoffs as a lower seed and are a first round exit, well guess what you bitching all year about how the team should tank didn't make a single difference. Oh well.

[r0drig0lac]

the Nets have a roster with more talent than ours, and Sean Marks nor picks had when he started his work, why would I want to see the tank? just have a competent front office and you can put a good and competitive team on the court

[JPB]

the Nets have a roster with more talent than ours, and Sean Marks nor picks had when he started his work, why would I want to see the tank? just have a competent front office and you can put a good and competitive team on the court

What more talented players of the 7-10 Nets Sean Guru Marks has signed do you prefer ?

9pt, 1as, 5 rb, 11.30 PER, 15M/year DeMarre Carrol ?

7pt, 1ass, 3.1rb, 3.12PER 18M/year Allen Crabbe ?

or 3.5 pt, 2.3ass 0bl, 13M/year Kenneth Farried ?

Wait maybe 5.5pt, 1.9as, 3.2 rb, 7.44 PER, 9.5M/year Jared Dudley ?

Some cliff jumpers here act after 13 games like spurs were the worse team in history and the rest of the NBA was balling.

[Pavlov]

Seriously? I'm a massive spurs fan.lol no

[RC_Drunkford]

Because they’re Spurs fans and not Kawhitter fans like the OP tbh.

this

[Mirrornick]

Never thought I would see a Spurs fanbase be so divided after 20+ years of playoffs and winning culture. I think those who wants to see the team lose should maybe take a break and wait until the team actually goes full tank mode. I personally am so close of joining the tank movement. This year tanking is so competitive with nearly 1/3 of the teams fighting for a chance to hit the lottery jackpot AKA RJ Barrett or Zion Willamson.

I am a now a huge Zion fan and I really think he is going to be a generational talent. Would love to have him on the Spurs.

With that being said, if the team wants to get a chance to get a top draft pick, they need to tank ASAP. The tank teams already got a head start.

If the spurs can tank maybe just one year and get Zion Williamson, I think that will be enough to build around Zion and DeRozan and Murray.
Trading LMA might be the best move right now. The big question is who on earth will take a 33 year old guy who is struggling to shoot. My guess would be Charlotte Hornets. They seem like they might make the playoffs in the east and Michael Jordan might want LMA.


Murray
DeRozan
Zion Willamons

those are good pieces.

[Pavlov]

Never thought I would see a Spurs fanbase be so divided after 20+ years of playoffs and winning culture.lol SpursTalk has been this way from the beginning. The only difference is there are a lot more try-hards here now.

[Mirrornick]

lol SpursTalk has been this way from the beginning. The only difference is there are a lot more try-hards here now.

I bet there's way more traffic on here when the Spurs are losing and everyone starts bitching. But when the team is winning, every quiet.. Or is it the other way around actually?

[daslicer]

Who gives a shit which way we root for? What's going to happen is going to happen regardless, might as well cheer the team on and not be a miserable fuck. And if we have a shitty record and have to make trades or have a high draft pick, great. If we make the playoffs as a lower seed and are a first round exit, well guess what you bitching all year about how the team should tank didn't make a single difference. Oh well.

OP suffers from "Pop Derangement Syndrome". I'm not saying Pop is infallible but the constant bitching about him and the FO gets old after a while. This is not a good team but like you said but what can we do as a fans. Bitching 24/7 about how Mills and the rest of this team suck is now just tiresome. The team is what it is. For me as a fan I will just enjoy when the team plays good basketball regardless of whether they win or lose. For anybody else I would say just enjoy it when Demar goes of for 30 plus or when it happens for some other Spur.

[Spurtacular]

OP overthinking it, tbh.

[daslicer]

I bet there's way more traffic on here when the Spurs are losing and everyone starts bitching. But when the team is winning, every quiet.. Or is it the other way around actually?

It's actually the other way around. I think the traffic this year has been the lowest it has been in years with the Spurs struggling. The more the Spurs lose the more it's going to drive away a lot of fans since the majority like any other fan base are just fair weather fans who can't handle losing.

[Joseph Kony]

i dont care either way. i enjoy the RS in general, so either i get to see my time win games or they lose and have a chance at a lotto pick. win win either way since no one is going to beat GS this year, not buying all this fake drama

[Mirrornick]

i dont care either way. i enjoy the RS in general, so either i get to see my time win games or they lose and have a chance at a lotto pick. win win either way since no one is going to beat GS this year, not buying all this fake drama

This is exactly why tanking is the best option right now. It doesn't guarantee to net us Zion or Barrett, but you gotta shoot your shot and pray that the lottery gods answer. No one is beating the Warriors. If Durant leaves then the Warriors are now a beatable team. either way, trying to get Zion Williamson in a spurs jersey sounds too damn good to pass on.

[BackHome]

Damn Daboom I actually like reading your stuff when your not acting like a little twat. Not being a smart ass wish you would bring more material like this post and I have to say I agree with you 100%

[BackHome]

Just looked at standings there is only one team with less wins then us in the West “Suns” and compared to entire league we are 7 worst with wins. Come on baby I feel number one draft pick. :hungry:

[Mirrornick]

Damn Daboom I actually like reading your stuff when your not acting like a little twat. Not being a smart ass wish you would bring more material like this post and I have to say I agree with you 100%

I don't know who is daboom :pctoss

[Mirrornick]

With a good chance that KD leaves the Warriors, they automatically become beatable. They can also lose Klay Thompson this summer and that will be the end of the Golden State dominating ERA. The Lakers have a declining LeBron James with too many young flawed players, so that leaves the west wide open. The Rockets have a declining Chris Paul as well. The Nuggets and Jazz are good but are not scary. Tanking this year might be the best option at this point because as early as next year, the west could be wide open once again.

[Play Boban]

I bet there's way more traffic on here when the Spurs are losing and everyone starts bitching. But when the team is winning, every quiet.. Or is it the other way around actually?
People were coming on here and saying to tank mid-season during our title winning years tbh. Spurfans are terrible.

[Othyus Lalanne]

With a good chance that KD leaves the Warriors, they automatically become beatable. They can also lose Klay Thompson this summer and that will be the end of the Golden State dominating ERA. The Lakers have a declining LeBron James with too many young flawed players, so that leaves the west wide open. The Rockets have a declining Chris Paul as well. The Nuggets and Jazz are good but are not scary. Tanking this year might be the best option at this point because as early as next year, the west could be wide open once again.

Is the Lakers even the second team to mention this year? Why would anyone assume they would keep anything closed out West?

[Mirrornick]

Is the Lakers even the second team to mention this year? Why would anyone assume they would keep anything closed out West?

You have a good point. The reason why I mentioned LeBron and the Lakers is because of the hype they are receiving and because they have LeBron James. So far they're not contenders this year. I personally hope they don't land Durant next season. If they do then they become a title contender.

[baseline bum]

Because they’re Spurs fans and not Kawhitter fans like the OP tbh.

this

[JPB]

Just looked at standings there is only one team with less wins then us in the West “Suns” and compared to entire league we are 7 worst with wins. Come on baby I feel number one draft pick. :hungry:

Win tonight and you get back to 8th, in front of Houston, LA (if they lose in Miami) Utah and Sacto, 0.5 and 1 game back behind NO and Denver, and 2 games away from the second seed. Everyfuckingbody should tank.

[Othyus Lalanne]

You have a good point. The reason why I mentioned LeBron and the Lakers is because of the hype they are receiving and because they have LeBron James. So far they're not contenders this year. I personally hope they don't land Durant next season. If they do then they become a title contender.

Those 2 emos on the team might blow that team up which would be fucking epic.

[SpurSpike]

I swear Durant has his dick in everyones mouth, if he was so good he wouldn't have had to join the warriors for a championship.

[Mirrornick]

Those 2 emos on the team might blow that team up which would be fucking epic.

From a basketball standpoint, LeBron James and Kevin Durant would be insane. But at the end of the day, KD is a punk who left a good team to join a team he lost to in the WCF. Betrayed OKC to the max.

[Payote75]

Call me crazy but I still think if this team was able to add a third star we would be very good the earlier the better for cohesiveness but with that being said if we want to go the other way and hope to recreate the Timmy moment and get our hands on Zion which there is no guarantee we would but derozan and Aldridge have to go. I think we have some young good athletes for next year so adding some more and some picks plus our own we could be quick about retooling on the fly almost but pop won't do that it's not his style and he to close to the end. I love pop but if we can see it he certainly can but my point is I just wish they would pick a direction and go with it. Ending up middle of the pack will only keep us in mediocre land.

[spurs10]

Seriously? I'm a massive spurs fan... But what's the point? To stat pad Pop's legacy just to get smashed in the first round and live in mediocrity for decades?

Hear me out... I'm not necessarily saying tank (even though that did bring us Duncan, and the best twenty year run in sports history arguably), but I think losing will FORCE Pop and the front office to make moves...

We all know that historically they get comfy if they are at least in the playoff hunt, regardless if we are contending or not... Currently we KNOW we can't win a championship with Aldridge as the alpha and DDR as the beta (and if DDR became the alpha, LMA would pout and struggle). We need to make huge mid-season trades before these guys hit the playoffs and their value plummets even more when they inevitably choke... I think mid-season trades only happen if we are losing badly on a consistent basis

Even if for a silly reason like Pop wanting to save his legacy, losing will bring well needed changes... Winning will have us become the Jazz Why bother to wake up? You aren't going to find a cure for cancer or likely do anything very significant. Meaning it's pretty ridiculous to not root for your team because after 20 years of being 'the most winning in all team sports' we are no longer that dominant. Winning 5 out of 20 championships against 30 other teams is the anomaly, not being middle of the road.

It's fun to watch games and this season is more fun than last season because Kawhi is no longer here collecting paychecks and offering no support to his teammates.

[sasaint]

Why bother to wake up? You aren't going to find a cure for cancer or likely do anything very significant. Meaning it's pretty ridiculous to not root for your team because after 20 years of being 'the most winning in all team sports' we are no longer that dominant. Winning 5 out of 20 championships against 30 other teams is the anomaly, not being middle of the road.

It's fun to watch games and this season is more fun than last season because Kawhi is no longer here collecting paychecks and offering no support to his teammates.

:tu Yep. Basically I don't know how to be a fan of a team and NOT root for it.

[RC_Drunkford]

Overreacting tbh. LA/DeRozan/Gay is a good big 3. They won't get you a title but they are good. Add to that young talent with significant upside like Murray/Walker/White and depending on how fast they develop you do have a solid playoff team for sure. Give this team an elite 3-and-D wing and they can make noise in the post season. Not to mention we have 2 first round draft picks

[8FOR!3]

OP suffers from "Pop Derangement Syndrome". I'm not saying Pop is infallible but the constant bitching about him and the FO gets old after a while. This is not a good team but like you said but what can we do as a fans. Bitching 24/7 about how Mills and the rest of this team suck is now just tiresome. The team is what it is. For me as a fan I will just enjoy when the team plays good basketball regardless of whether they win or lose. For anybody else I would say just enjoy it when Demar goes of for 30 plus or when it happens for some other Spur.

Pretty much agreed. Pop teams tend to overachieve in general imo for the level of talent they have. And when they're really good it typically speaks for itself. I'm not going to say we've never had a season where we underachieved (like losing to the Clippers in round 1) but still...

[r0drig0lac]

Overreacting tbh. LA/DeRozan/Gay is a good big 3. They won't get you a title but they are good. Add to that young talent with significant upside like Murray/Walker/White and depending on how fast they develop you do have a solid playoff team for sure. Give this team an elite 3-and-D wing and they can make noise in the post season. Not to mention we have 2 first round draft picks

Carroll would be enough this season, he is already playing again, if we could catch him without losing something important, it would be good for me

[marinoman]

“We” are spurs fans, you are a kawhi cuck

[DMC]

We can either lose and have our FO be forced to make mid-season trades... Or be a mediocre team that loses in the first round for the next ten years

What we root for doesn't affect the outcome. Why go to a team fan website if you're not rooting for the team? You could get a 1st overall pick for 5 straight seasons and still miss the playoffs.

Spurs fans who came along after 1998 = :lol

[R. DeMurre]

From a basketball standpoint, LeBron James and Kevin Durant would be insane. But at the end of the day, KD is a punk who left a good team to join a team he lost to in the WCF. Betrayed OKC to the max.

He left a PG with a higher usage rate than Michael Jordan, a career FG% lower than Steph Curry's career 3ptFG%, and an endless history of taking bad shots, making bad decisions, and getting the least out of the players around him. Oladipo, Sabonis, Harden, Kanter-- all showed instant improvement after leaving Westbrook's shadow. Kanter had the highest FG% of his career after leaving OKC-- with a bad Knicks team. Victor Oladipo's FG% went up despite becoming the #1 option on a new team. Sorry, KD made the right basketball choice. Westbrook puts up gaudy stats but he's his own worst enemy. You're not going to win rings with a guy like Westbrook.

[Dex]

It is only November and the Spurs are still only 2.5 games out of first in the West, despite all of their issues.

I don't care if the Big 3 are gone. I don't care if Aldridge and Demar have antiquated games. I don't care if the Warriors are still overwhelming favorites.

Laying down right now would be a complete bitch move. And rooting for it is also a complete bitch move tbh.

[Mirrornick]

He left a PG with a higher usage rate than Michael Jordan, a career FG% lower than Steph Curry's career 3ptFG%, and an endless history of taking bad shots, making bad decisions, and getting the least out of the players around him. Oladipo, Sabonis, Harden, Kanter-- all showed instant improvement after leaving Westbrook's shadow. Kanter had the highest FG% of his career after leaving OKC-- with a bad Knicks team. Victor Oladipo's FG% went up despite becoming the #1 option on a new team. Sorry, KD made the right basketball choice. Westbrook puts up gaudy stats but he's his own worst enemy. You're not going to win rings with a guy like Westbrook.

I'm not going to get into a debate about Russell Westbrook with you. He did win an MVP and averaged a triple double and carried the team to the playoffs. KD's OKC were leading the Warriors 3-1 in the WCF and KD did not close it out. He joined the team that beat him. Yeah it's good for his career, but it's still a dick move on his part. I'm not the only one who thinks that.

[RC_Drunkford]

It is only November and the Spurs are still only 2.5 games out of first in the West, despite all of their issues.

I don't care if the Big 3 are gone. I don't care if Aldridge and Demar have antiquated games. I don't care if the Warriors are still overwhelming favorites.

Laying down right now would be a complete bitch move. And rooting for it is also a complete bitch move tbh.

team hasn't been healthy all season and had to change line ups and rotations constantly. And we still beat the top teams

[Dhbsr555]

If we lose gay to injuries we’re gonna start losing we can’t just win with Aldridge and dd not enough bench players

[bklynspursfan]

It is only November and the Spurs are still only 2.5 games out of first in the West, despite all of their issues.

I don't care if the Big 3 are gone. I don't care if Aldridge and Demar have antiquated games. I don't care if the Warriors are still overwhelming favorites.

Laying down right now would be a complete bitch move. And rooting for it is also a complete bitch move tbh.

All of this

[phxspurfan]

Get shit on op. From someone who cheered his ass off at the game and watched his undermanned team win a game they weren’t supposed to win against overwhelming odds. Keep sucking Kawhis dick.

[Mugen]

“We” are spurs fans, you are a kawhi cuck

:lol

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Bc nobody likes it when their team loses. Hell I'm a 49er fan and I rather see them win next week than care about them getting the #1 pick.

[cjw]

My god the west is a bloodbath. 13th place is a game under .500. 45-21 against the east (but the Spurs are 0-3 so there’s that).

But there is only one elite team, and they’re showing signs of fracturing.

[WallyTiger]

“We” are spurs fans, you are a kawhi cuck
;)

[duncan2k5]

Lol. Make trades for the sake of making trades. You are a genius! So what realistic trades wins us a championship? ... won't wait, there are not any. You go around shopping you risk losing your reputation as a vet and player friendly organization as well as half the season ticket holders who like going to the playoffs. Only realistic trades is to ultimately rebuild and risk missing the playoffs numerous times with no guarantee of even being a 50 win team.

Where has the Rep as a player friendly organization gotten us? No free agents ever sign here... You make trades to modernize to the current NBA, we put ourselves in a position to win... Every team makes trades... But they still get more big named free agents going there for other reasons... None will ever come to SA unless we have the potential to be a championship contender... As it stands right now we would be lucky to win one playoff round... What else option is there? Stand pat? What's YOUR solution? Develop 34 year old LMA?

[duncan2k5]

Lol. Make trades for the sake of making trades. You are a genius! So what realistic trades wins us a championship? ... won't wait, there are not any. You go around shopping you risk losing your reputation as a vet and player friendly organization as well as half the season ticket holders who like going to the playoffs. Only realistic trades is to ultimately rebuild and risk missing the playoffs numerous times with no guarantee of even being a 50 win team.

This is a very dumb post... The ticket holders don't just want to make the playoffs to be bounced first round... I'm sure u see the dwindling numbers and energy... They want to win! We won't win shit with this team, we won't be able to draft high enough being bounced in first round... The only options are to trade or tank... And I prefer trading because tanking means we still have LMA who is a cancer to the team, and isn't a very good player

[duncan2k5]

Who gives a shit which way we root for? What's going to happen is going to happen regardless, might as well cheer the team on and not be a miserable fuck. And if we have a shitty record and have to make trades or have a high draft pick, great. If we make the playoffs as a lower seed and are a first round exit, well guess what you bitching all year about how the team should tank didn't make a single difference. Oh well.

Ur literally agreeing with me, but trying to act like ur not... Lmfao

[duncan2k5]

the Nets have a roster with more talent than ours, and Sean Marks nor picks had when he started his work, why would I want to see the tank? just have a competent front office and you can put a good and competitive team on the court

A competent front office makes trades... Like I'm asking for... I don't want to tank... I've said that numerous times... So once again u are agreeing with me, but wording it as if u aren't... It's ok to agree with me u know... Smh

[duncan2k5]

Never thought I would see a Spurs fanbase be so divided after 20+ years of playoffs and winning culture. I think those who wants to see the team lose should maybe take a break and wait until the team actually goes full tank mode. I personally am so close of joining the tank movement. This year tanking is so competitive with nearly 1/3 of the teams fighting for a chance to hit the lottery jackpot AKA RJ Barrett or Zion Willamson.

I am a now a huge Zion fan and I really think he is going to be a generational talent. Would love to have him on the Spurs.

With that being said, if the team wants to get a chance to get a top draft pick, they need to tank ASAP. The tank teams already got a head start.

If the spurs can tank maybe just one year and get Zion Williamson, I think that will be enough to build around Zion and DeRozan and Murray.
Trading LMA might be the best move right now. The big question is who on earth will take a 33 year old guy who is struggling to shoot. My guess would be Charlotte Hornets. They seem like they might make the playoffs in the east and Michael Jordan might want LMA.


Murray
DeRozan
Zion Willamons

those are good pieces.

I would trade LMA for a decent young role player... Someone like OG

[StinkyWeezleteats]

Lol. Make trades for the sake of making trades. You are a genius! So what realistic trades wins us a championship? ... won't wait, there are not any. You go around shopping you risk losing your reputation as a vet and player friendly organization as well as half the season ticket holders who like going to the playoffs. Only realistic trades is to ultimately rebuild and risk missing the playoffs numerous times with no guarantee of even being a 50 win team.

Lebron is coming and so is Durbeta

[duncan2k5]

Why bother to wake up? You aren't going to find a cure for cancer or likely do anything very significant. Meaning it's pretty ridiculous to not root for your team because after 20 years of being 'the most winning in all team sports' we are no longer that dominant. Winning 5 out of 20 championships against 30 other teams is the anomaly, not being middle of the road.

It's fun to watch games and this season is more fun than last season because Kawhi is no longer here collecting paychecks and offering no support to his teammates.

So because we won in the past, we shouldn't want to win in the future? Interesting...

[duncan2k5]

:tu Yep. Basically I don't know how to be a fan of a team and NOT root for it.

U clearly only read the title and didn't read my actual post

[duncan2k5]

What we root for doesn't affect the outcome. Why go to a team fan website if you're not rooting for the team? You could get a 1st overall pick for 5 straight seasons and still miss the playoffs.

Spurs fans who came along after 1998 = :lol

What u are saying is that u are fine with being mediocre and not making moves to get better? Ok that's ur perspective... I want to get better

[duncan2k5]

It is only November and the Spurs are still only 2.5 games out of first in the West, despite all of their issues.

I don't care if the Big 3 are gone. I don't care if Aldridge and Demar have antiquated games. I don't care if the Warriors are still overwhelming favorites.

Laying down right now would be a complete bitch move. And rooting for it is also a complete bitch move tbh.

Did u read my post? I want trades... I don't want to tank...

[SpursDynasty85]

This is a very dumb post... The ticket holders don't just want to make the playoffs to be bounced first round... I'm sure u see the dwindling numbers and energy... They want to win! We won't win shit with this team, we won't be able to draft high enough being bounced in first round... The only options are to trade or tank... And I prefer trading because tanking means we still have LMA who is a cancer to the team, and isn't a very good player

What other small market team has done better at signing free agents? We signed Gay, Aldridge, Gasol, Boris, and resigned many others (Robinson, Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, etc) Making the playoffs is a lot more fun than repeated lotteries and seeing the inevitable busts and young players resign with the Lakers once they are developed.

[duncan2k5]

team hasn't been healthy all season and had to change line ups and rotations constantly. And we still beat the top teams

Who are the top teams we beat? And we sound like magic fans who beat us in the past when we were good... Bad teams beat good teams... It happens... That doesn't mean we should get delusional and think we are close to competing for a championship

[SpursDynasty85]

So because we won in the past, we shouldn't want to win in the future? Interesting...

So a smaller market team should take the Philly route? No thanks.

[duncan2k5]

Get shit on op. From someone who cheered his ass off at the game and watched his undermanned team win a game they weren’t supposed to win against overwhelming odds. Keep sucking Kawhis dick.

What was the overwhelming odds? A November game VS a struggling warriors team without Steph and dray? GTFOH

[duncan2k5]

What other small market team has done better at signing free agents? We signed Gay, Aldridge, Gasol, Boris, and resigned many others (Robinson, Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, etc) Making the playoffs is a lot more fun than repeated lotteries and seeing the inevitable busts and young players resign with the Lakers once they are developed.

We sign players past prime... They NEVER come here at the height of their prime... And the only reason those players even came was because they wanted to win a ring... A star player won't just come to SA because of the night life and weather

[duncan2k5]

So a smaller market team should take the Philly route? No thanks.

Point out where I want to tank... Did u even read the post I made? I want trades... I most definitely don't want to tank... I said tanking and making trades are our only options be we aren't the Lakers... Players aren't coming because they like the city...

[SpursDynasty85]

Point out where I want to tank... Did u even read the post I made? I want trades... I most definitely don't want to tank... I said tanking and making trades are our only options be we aren't the Lakers... Players aren't coming because they like the city...

Trust me. No trades that make us better this year. You haven't brought up any realistic scenarios.

[JPB]

We sign players past prime... They NEVER come here at the height of their prime... And the only reason those players even came was because they wanted to win a ring... A star player won't just come to SA because of the night life and weather

They never came at the height of their prime because there was already an established legendary big 3 then Kawhitter and no room for another top dog. All spurs needed was role players and precisely past their prime "over themselves" vets who wouldn't whine about their touches and know their place..

And guess what, they won more than most other teams that way and if not for Zaza and Uncle, the'd still have a top 3 NBA player and probalby be top 2 in the west right now.

And keeping your best players is already a talent. PG13 asked for a trade in Indy, Irving asked for a trade in Cleveland, Melo asked for a trade in Denver, Minny traded Garnett and Love, NO and Clippers lost CP3, Portland lost Aldridge, Shaq asked for a trade in LA, Phoenix traded Stoudemire, Sacto traded Cousins to NO who lost him...

[8FOR!3]

Ur literally agreeing with me, but trying to act like ur not... Lmfao

I agree that we’re probably not very good but I just have a different mindset as a fan imo I don’t hope we tank but idc if we do either.

[duncan2k5]

I agree that we’re probably not very good but I just have a different mindset as a fan imo I don’t hope we tank but idc if we do either.

That's my point of view also... I don't want to tank

[duncan2k5]

They never came at the height of their prime because there was already an established legendary big 3 then Kawhitter and no room for another top dog. All spurs needed was role players and precisely past their prime "over themselves" vets who wouldn't whine about their touches and know their place..

And guess what, they won more than most other teams that way and if not for Zaza and Uncle, the'd still have a top 3 NBA player and probalby be top 2 in the west right now.

And keeping your best players is already a talent. PG13 asked for a trade in Indy, Irving asked for a trade in Cleveland, Melo asked for a trade in Denver, Minny traded Garnett and Love, NO and Clippers lost CP3, Portland lost Aldridge, Shaq asked for a trade in LA, Phoenix traded Stoudemire, Sacto traded Cousins to NO who lost him...

When in history have free agents ever come here that were superstars in their prime? Never... Our methods have to be trades or tanking... And I'm against tanking

[JPB]

The era of the "generational" franchise player talent that changes your team is over. We're past the Magic Lakers vs Jordan Bulls NBA. And spurs contibuted to that with their unselfish, team game.

Now to win you need to a whole coherent roster with 3 stars + 2-3 top bench players with the right mentality, which is damn hard to find and built, which is why some poeple don't seem to understand PATFO's credit. Lebron had to play the GM and collude with Bosh and D-Wade to win a ship, then bring Love and other players in Cleveland (and thank Draymond).

As other said, you could get 3 top picks and still suck for a decade. NO got what you'd call a "unicorn" in Davis and 6 years later, they have 2 PO (13 games total) a one second round appearances, for 5 total wins...

5 total PO wins in six years of Davis who has put pressure on his team, mentioning playing somewhere else. 5 PO wins in 6 years, Yoowhoo !! Let's tank for the savior.

[JPB]

When in history have free agents ever come here that were superstars in their prime? Never... Our methods have to be trades or tanking... And I'm against tanking

Did you read my post ? and who do you want to trade for ? Davis for Gasol + Patty and fillers... No ? Ok, let me add 2 second rounders... Kawhi screw everything forcing spurs to reconsider what they built for the past 5 years.

[hater]

OP is a faggot

[8FOR!3]

That's my point of view also... I don't want to tank

Ok but I don't want us to lose. If we lose it is what it is but I cheer for us to win games.

[DMC]

What u are saying is that u are fine with being mediocre and not making moves to get better? Ok that's ur perspective... I want to get better

I don't have any say over it. I want my team to win I don't give a damn who they put on the floor I want them to win.

[DMC]

Did you read my post ? and who do you want to trade for ? Davis for Gasol + Patty and fillers... No ? Ok, let me add 2 second rounders... Kawhi screw everything forcing spurs to reconsider what they built for the past 5 years.

No I think we should trade Bertans for Anthony Davis and maybe do a Patty Mills trade for either Kyrie Irving or a Durant + Steph Curry tandem. What do you think?

[duncan2k5]

Did you read my post ? and who do you want to trade for ? Davis for Gasol + Patty and fillers... No ? Ok, let me add 2 second rounders... Kawhi screw everything forcing spurs to reconsider what they built for the past 5 years.

I would trade for role players that fit the archetype of what the NBA is going to... I gave OG as an example... Not close to being a star... But a decent role player... KCP is another example of someone I would trade for... I'd keep Metu because he has potential

[duncan2k5]

I don't have any say over it. I want my team to win I don't give a damn who they put on the floor I want them to win.

We can't win with what we have... How do u not get that?

[duncan2k5]

No I think we should trade Bertans for Anthony Davis and maybe do a Patty Mills trade for either Kyrie Irving or a Durant + Steph Curry tandem. What do you think?

Because I want to trade means I'm asking to trade our trash for stars? Nice straw man

[DMC]

We can't win with what we have... How do u not get that?
Do you want them to?

[DMC]

Because I want to trade means I'm asking to trade our trash for stars? Nice straw man

Garbage out and garbage in. Other trash players aren't going to make our team any better.

[duncan2k5]

Warriors became elite through trades and developing the young players they have that fit with today's NBA... ppl who weren't that, they ship out for the most part... But some ppl here seem to be ok with annual first round exits so long as Pop keeps his streak going... I on the other hand want the team to win... Get RID of these archaic guys while they still have value...

[DMC]

I would trade for role players that fit the archetype of what the NBA is going to... I gave OG as an example... Not close to being a star... But a decent role player... KCP is another example of someone I would trade for... I'd keep Metu because he has potential


There are 28 other teams in the league trading all over the place and none of them are getting any closer to beating the Warriors. There are only a few trades every year that can make a team better, the rest of them are just neutral moves or actually making things worse. A lot of the trades are just to move money around.

The team we have now is relatively new they only have a few games together and you're already ready to trade them. As soon as you get new pieces in if they don't have a winning streak of 10 or 12 games right away you'll be ready to trade them too. That's why you're working a minimum-wage job and not a GM at a professional franchise.

[DMC]

Warriors became elite through trades and developing the young players they have that fit with today's NBA... ppl who weren't that, they ship out for the most part... But some ppl here seem to be ok with annual first round exits so long as Pop keeps his streak going... I on the other hand want the team to win... Get RID of these archaic guys while they still have value...

The warriors were elite before they had Kevin Durant. They already had a championship. There is only one Kevin Durant only one LeBron James neither of them are ever coming to San Antonio.

How many consecutive first round exits have there been? Are you just using hyperbole?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If this Spurs team can win, and be close, then there is a draw to attract free agents next summer...maybe not franchise guys, but solid role players. You don't have to tank in order to rebuild. The Spurs got lucky twice with DRob and then Duncan. No other team in the league can say they went two-for-two on number one picks who were able to turn the franchise around. In fact, you can probably only point to a handful of guys who have that impact every 25 years. To say the Spurs can just tank and rebuild is pretty short-sighted.

The Spurs could be the next small market team that rolls around in mediocrity for the next 30 years if they tank in order to rebuild. They'd be better off being a 45 win team, and then let the franchise reputation, the opportunity for success, and the current group (guys liked around the league i.e. DeRozan), attract their buddies to join the Spurs and get them over the hump next season.

San Antonio isn't an easy sell to free agents when the team is good. Imagine if the Spurs are a 20 win team...no FA will want to land here.

The whole idea of tanking to get better is a huge gamble.

[JPB]

If this Spurs team can win, and be close, then there is a draw to attract free agents next summer...maybe not franchise guys, but solid role players. You don't have to tank in order to rebuild. The Spurs got lucky twice with DRob and then Duncan. No other team in the league can say they went two-for-two on number one picks who were able to turn the franchise around. In fact, you can probably only point to a handful of guys who have that impact every 25 years. To say the Spurs can just tank and rebuild is pretty short-sighted.

The Spurs could be the next small market team that rolls around in mediocrity for the next 30 years if they tank in order to rebuild. They'd be better off being a 45 win team, and then let the current group, guys like DeRozan, attract their buddies to join the Spurs and get them over the hump next season.

San Antonio isn't an easy sell to free agents when the team is good. Imagine if the Spurs are a 20 win team...no FA will want to land here.

The whole idea of tanking to get better is a huge gamble.

This. Gotta take care of your brand as a team to attract players, cap space won't just do it. Great players are joining winning or ready-to win teams and nobody wants to sign in all the New Jerseys or phoenixs of the world.

[SAGirl]

If this Spurs team can win, and be close, then there is a draw to attract free agents next summer...maybe not franchise guys, but solid role players. You don't have to tank in order to rebuild. The Spurs got lucky twice with DRob and then Duncan. No other team in the league can say they went two-for-two on number one picks who were able to turn the franchise around. In fact, you can probably only point to a handful of guys who have that impact every 25 years. To say the Spurs can just tank and rebuild is pretty short-sighted.
Nah, I am just thinking of franchises like Utah who got Donovan and got a second lease on a team that once Hayward left, everyone thought was going down to tanking again. In fact, Mitchell this season regressing has hurt them. The Grizzlies unabashedly tanked last season, but they got Jaren Jackson. I think when you think that tanking is going to solve all your problems that is where you are wrong. You also have to get rid of all the roleplayers who are underperforming and carrying dead weight (basically the tank aiders you had). Then you have to go and get good roleplayers. I definitely think a high lotto pick would help the Spurs.

But I realize, that the PATFO decided against it with the Kiwi trade, and their "big 3" players are aging with a short window. If you are going to seriously tank, they probably will be disgruntled, Gay for sure isn't signing back for that, and LMA and Derozan are going to start complaining. So the Spurs have to turn it around bc they already committed to staying competitive. We shall see what happens with the strong schedule they are going to face. They have to evaluate their roleplayers if they are turning into tank aiders.

[Mirrornick]

I would trade LMA for a decent young role player... Someone like OG

Doesn't work like that. Their salary don't match. Both teams are over the cap.

[duncan2k5]

There are 28 other teams in the league trading all over the place and none of them are getting any closer to beating the Warriors. There are only a few trades every year that can make a team better, the rest of them are just neutral moves or actually making things worse. A lot of the trades are just to move money around.

The team we have now is relatively new they only have a few games together and you're already ready to trade them. As soon as you get new pieces in if they don't have a winning streak of 10 or 12 games right away you'll be ready to trade them too. That's why you're working a minimum-wage job and not a GM at a professional franchise.

I'm ready to trade mills, Gasol, and LMA... not the entire team

[duncan2k5]

The warriors were elite before they had Kevin Durant. They already had a championship. There is only one Kevin Durant only one LeBron James neither of them are ever coming to San Antonio.

How many consecutive first round exits have there been? Are you just using hyperbole?

I was referring to before KG... they built their team for the new NBA... they didn't keep around archaic players just because they liked their politics or personality...

[duncan2k5]

If this Spurs team can win, and be close, then there is a draw to attract free agents next summer...maybe not franchise guys, but solid role players. You don't have to tank in order to rebuild. The Spurs got lucky twice with DRob and then Duncan. No other team in the league can say they went two-for-two on number one picks who were able to turn the franchise around. In fact, you can probably only point to a handful of guys who have that impact every 25 years. To say the Spurs can just tank and rebuild is pretty short-sighted.

The Spurs could be the next small market team that rolls around in mediocrity for the next 30 years if they tank in order to rebuild. They'd be better off being a 45 win team, and then let the franchise reputation, the opportunity for success, and the current group (guys liked around the league i.e. DeRozan), attract their buddies to join the Spurs and get them over the hump next season.

San Antonio isn't an easy sell to free agents when the team is good. Imagine if the Spurs are a 20 win team...no FA will want to land here.

The whole idea of tanking to get better is a huge gamble.

I... Don't... Want... To... Tank... Stop making it an argument

[SpursDynasty85]

I... Don't... Want... To... Tank... Stop making it an argument

Lol why does your title say we should be rooting for losses then?

Anyway. I reread your first post. Seems silly. Root for losses have a massive protest and then force trades. Seems like a silly plan. Pop, RC, or ownership doesn't read Spurstalk I'm sure.

[duncan2k5]

This. Gotta take care of your brand as a team to attract players, cap space won't just do it. Great players are joining winning or ready-to win teams and nobody wants to sign in all the New Jerseys or phoenixs of the world.

Mavs have one of the most player friendly teams, but no one signs there because it is Texas, and they suck... Trading players away doesn't make ppl not want to join a team... Every team makes trades... U said it urself... Elite players are joining teams to win... Not because the front office didn't trade anyone

[duncan2k5]

Nah, I am just thinking of franchises like Utah who got Donovan and got a second lease on a team that once Hayward left, everyone thought was going down to tanking again. In fact, Mitchell this season regressing has hurt them. The Grizzlies unabashedly tanked last season, but they got Jaren Jackson. I think when you think that tanking is going to solve all your problems that is where you are wrong. You also have to get rid of all the roleplayers who are underperforming and carrying dead weight (basically the tank aiders you had). Then you have to go and get good roleplayers. I definitely think a high lotto pick would help the Spurs.

But I realize, that the PATFO decided against it with the Kiwi trade, and their "big 3" players are aging with a short window. If you are going to seriously tank, they probably will be disgruntled, Gay for sure isn't signing back for that, and LMA and Derozan are going to start complaining. So the Spurs have to turn it around bc they already committed to staying competitive. We shall see what happens with the strong schedule they are going to face. They have to evaluate their roleplayers if they are turning into tank aiders.

So ur agreeing with my point while trying to act like u aren't... That's what I'm saying... Don't tank... But get rid of players that won't help us win a championship in the current NBA... u do that by trading... Waiting three years for LMA's horrible contract to expire is insane... Trade him while he has value

[duncan2k5]

Doesn't work like that. Their salary don't match. Both teams are over the cap.

U are missing the point... I'm talking about what I would want... The type of player I'd trade him for... Not saying I specifically want to trade LMA for OG... and it can work via multiple teams if you really want it to

[duncan2k5]

Lol why does your title say we should be rooting for losses then?

That's what happens when you read the title alone and not the reasoning in the post... Reading is fundamental... I don't want to tank... Never advocated for it

[Mirrornick]

U are missing the point... I'm talking about what I would want... The type of player I'd trade him for... Not saying I specifically want to trade LMA for OG... and it can work via multiple teams if you really want it to

patfo should have snatched Siakam in the Kawhi trade. The raptors were desperate to get Kawhi Leonard.

[duncan2k5]

For those just joining the party and not even reading the first post... Basically I feel like Pop is content with simply being average and making the playoffs for the rest of his tenure because it keeps his streak up... I think our FO has gotten lazy (Pop included) and aren't really trying to make bold decisions that would take us into the new era of the NBA... with the trade deadline coming in a few months, the only way to change course and start to field a team that would be a more new age team would be to start losing game now so that Pop and the FO gets nervous about missing the playoffs and realize that they need to act NOW and make moves in order to be competitive, and so that Pop can get back to actually coaching instead of coasting... If we stay as we are, NOTHING will change... That we know... We ALL complained about the FO decisions the past several years, so let's not act as if the FO has been killing it simply because I'm the one criticizing them

[SpursDynasty85]

That's what happens when you read the title alone and not the reasoning in the post... Reading is fundamental... I don't want to tank... Never advocated for it

I read it. None of it seemed logical though. Your still rooting for losses.

[RC_Drunkford]

Who are the top teams we beat? And we sound like magic fans who beat us in the past when we were good... Bad teams beat good teams... It happens... That doesn't mean we should get delusional and think we are close to competing for a championship

Lakers, Warriors and Dubs (even though not healthy, but we weren't either) were the top 3 teams that people said would make the WCF this year. We definitely need trades, but what we really need to trade for is role players. Not go into tank mode. Keep the top 3 players and top 3 prospects. Other than that, everybody is up for a trade. Spurs always won 50 cause they were a deep team, this team isn't deep at all

[duncan2k5]

Lakers, Warriors and Dubs (even though not healthy, but we weren't either) were the top 3 teams that people said would make the WCF this year. We definitely need trades, but what we really need to trade for is role players. Not go into tank mode. Keep the top 3 players and top 3 prospects. Other than that, everybody is up for a trade. Spurs always won 50 cause they were a deep team, this team isn't deep at all

Lakers are trash... And u realize warriors and dubs are the same team right?

[duncan2k5]

Lakers, Warriors and Dubs (even though not healthy, but we weren't either) were the top 3 teams that people said would make the WCF this year. We definitely need trades, but what we really need to trade for is role players. Not go into tank mode. Keep the top 3 players and top 3 prospects. Other than that, everybody is up for a trade. Spurs always won 50 cause they were a deep team, this team isn't deep at all

Dude... U are literally saying the same thing I am... I'm not saying tank... I'm saying we need trades... Why are u guys pretending as if we are debating opposite points?

[venitian navigator]

there is a simple truth that nobody seems to address...this team was builded for making a star of DJM...his injury has been devastating for all our plans...simply because the F.O. had to reconsider all the game plan choices...we passed from a supposed running team to a team that plays no up tempo at all...except when Mills and Forbes are both on the game (and when it happens may God save us).
Walker and White injury have just made the problems bigger...as is doing Gay uncertain situation phisically wise and as LMA age has done for back to back games.
The circumstances have been totally against us...and that, paired with the actual fact that all teams in the west (maybe except for Phoenix...alas, lets not forget, a team against we lost with by 20 points) are considered play offs candidates, makes us a more than possible candidate for the lottery...also if we are not tanking at all. actually we are at the 11th spot with a 50 per cent record...and a very easy schedule.
imho all decisions will be made in mid january...bacause from now on we are facing a very hard schedule and by then it could be clear that, also if we have no intention to avoid play offs, that goal would be quite impossible to reach. But till now all the signals point in the sense that this year is gonna be a lottery year for us, indipendently by our will...

[SpurOutofTownFan]

just having fan watching spurfans in full meltdown mode

[venitian navigator]

just having fan watching spurfans in full meltdown mode

its not a meltdown to see things as they actually are.
The title thread reflect an opinion that, like it or not, has some sense in the light of DJM injury...
its a fact that, considering circumstances, we could miss the play offs also if not tanking...and its just logical to consider that, if we have to miss the play offs, we better do it with a bad record (draft pick in the 10) than with a record near 50 % (aka a draft seed from 11 to 14).
The point is just decide a moment when we'll have enough clues about the possible outcomes of the season...and then behave accordingly (trades and eventually tanking).
For the thread starter the moment has already come.
For the FO it has not, as for the most of us, and probably for the main players will not come till we have a minimal chance to be in the play offs run...
inmho, considering injuries, age, strenght of the other western conference teams, the (actually bad) level of our game and the strenght of our schedule till early january, plus the fact that starting from mid january all trading restrictions will be eliminated, that time could soon come...