Washington Wizards Player Fire Sale: Anyone the Spurs can trade for?

[TDomination]

apparently Wizards are willing to trade for most of their players. Is there anyone on there the Spurs could use?


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Report: Wizards willing to discuss John Wall, Bradley Beal trades





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The Wizards are 5-11, have (https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/10/29/three-things-to-know-1-5-wizards-are-worse-than-you-think/) poor (https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/11/02/report-wizards-internal-issues-with-contract-year-players/) chemistry (https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/11/18/former-wizard-jared-dudley-im-seeing-a-team-that-has-been-together-too-long/) and are on track to pay the luxury tax.This might call for extreme measures – like trading John Wall (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1691/john-wall) or Bradley Beal (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1966/bradley-beal).

Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25320702/washington-wizards-include-john-wall-bradley-beal-trade-scenarios):
As the Washington Wizards’ season spirals, the franchise has started to deliver teams an impression that every player on their roster — including All-Star guards John Wall and Bradley Beal — is available to discuss in trade scenarios, league sources told ESPN.



https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-wizards-willing-discuss-john-161547980.html

[BlackAndWhite]

What can Pau and Patty get?

[RD2191]

What can Pau and Patty get?

A punch to the balls and a bag of shit.

[duncan2k5]

I would trade anyone we have except Murray and Walker for either Beal or wall

[Chinook]

If the team could have confidence in Poe going forward, then making the big trade for Porter could make sense. As it is, Oubre is probably the easier target. I'm not seeing any viable path to a trade yet, though. Once 12/15 rolls around, and guys like Cun and Pon are on the table, then something could move.

[r0drig0lac]

definitely Jeff Green (backup sf), Porter would be impossible (we have nothing to offer), Oubre would receive better offers from other teams

[Kobe'sAchilles]

We have 2 first rounders. Could that help us in a trade with them?

[TDomination]

Just looking at their roster, Otto Porter or maybe Kelly Oubre would be the position we need.

Both small forwards,
Porter 25yrs, 6'8
Oubre 22yrs, 6'7

How good they are? no clue, maybe someone who has seen the wizards play can chime in?

[RD2191]

Chinook, who's the better SF?

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Just looking at their roster, Otto Porter or maybe Kelly Oubre would be the position we need.

Both small forwards,
Porter 25yrs, 6'8
Oubre 22yrs, 6'7

How good they are? no clue, maybe someone who has seen the wizards play can chime in?
Otto Porter is making 25 million a year for the next 4 years. Ewww. I don't want any part of his scrub ass. It's basically like paying that much money for Trevor Ariza.

[TDomination]

Otto Porter is making 25 million a year for the next 4 years. Ewww. I don't want any part of his scrub ass. It's basically like paying that much money for Trevor Ariza.

Wow, yeah nevermind. thats nuts

[Spur916]

I think Wall is on a super max and I suspect has already played his best basketball. Coming off a season where he only played 41 games I can't imagine there will be a ton of suitors.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If the team could have confidence in Poe going forward, then making the big trade for Porter could make sense. As it is, Oubre is probably the easier target. I'm not seeing any viable path to a trade yet, though. Once 12/15 rolls around, and guys like Cun and Pon are on the table, then something could move.

Yep, those are probably the only two assets the Wiz have that the Spurs would want.

[Dverde]

What can Pau and Patty get?

About 30 million a year from PATFO.

[John B]

Spurs FO are staying put tbh.. It's like drooling over a girl that you'd never gonna ask anyway, so what's the point? We have LW4, Huestis and Moore on the back burner dirt cheap :wakeup

[NASpurs]

I think Wall is on a super max and I suspect has already played his best basketball. Coming off a season where he only played 41 games I can't imagine there will be a ton of suitors.

His super max hasn't even started yet I think

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251682/Wizards-Ready-To-Discuss-John-Wall-Bradley-Beal-Trade

"Wall's extension start in 19-20, which will average $42 million annually over the next four seasons."

That's a lot of fucking money :lol

[Chinook]

Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557), who's the better SF?

Oubre would require less turnover to obtain and could theoretically not need a max to re-sign, but I think Porter is definitely better now. Otto put up elite defensive metrics and came into this season with a streak of hot shooting years. I also think Washington would be more inclined to give up Porter, given their need to save money going forward. As I mentioned, with Poeltl being mostly bad this year, I am not as keen to give up Pau as I would have been. Oubre is more of a wing than a forward, though. That's also a need, but he wouldn't be providing the elite D on guys like Lebron like Porter could.

[TDomination]

His super max hasn't even started yet I think

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251682/Wizards-Ready-To-Discuss-John-Wall-Bradley-Beal-Trade

"Wall's extension start in 19-20, which will average $42 million annually over the next four seasons."

That's a lot of fucking money :lol

holy crap, 40 mill for wall, 25 mill for porter. geez, i thought our FO was bad for Mills and Pau. Thats a lot of money for those types of players.

[RD2191]

Oubre would require less turnover to obtain and could theoretically not need a max to re-sign, but I think Porter is definitely better now. Otto put up elite defensive metrics and came into this season with a streak of hot shooting years. I also think Washington would be more inclined to give up Porter, given their need to save money going forward. As I mentioned, with Poeltl being mostly bad this year, I am not as keen to give up Pau as I would have been. Oubre is more of a wing than a forward, though. That's also a need, but he wouldn't be providing the elite D on guys like Lebron like Porter could.

Damn. Sounds like it'd be a solid move for Porter. Do you think it'd be a good move?

[Dverde]

Morey will find a way...
The Houston Rockets have traded Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight, 4 partial protected first round picks for Bradley Beal.

[marinoman]

I’m sure buford will get the right piece

[NASpurs]

In other news

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[NASpurs]

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[RD2191]

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RC's on the phone for Wall as we speak.

[HarlemHeat37]

Oubre would be the only piece worth getting for the Spurs, and even that would be a questionable fit with Pop IMO..

Porter is one of those guys that used to be underrated, but became overrated due to the amount of people claiming that he was underrated(myself included:lol )..no way I'd eat his contract, he doesn't move the needle in a playoff series..

Wall might have the worst contract in the league and would be a terrible fit with Pop..

Beal is by far their best player, but how would the Spurs even make that work? Not realistic..

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:pop: We like the team we have

[John B]

I'll keep on dreaming, but if Wiz would take Pau and Bertrans' expiring contracts plus 1st round(s), I'd take Porter happily.

[BatManu20]

John Wall’s contract is awful. No thanks. Porter’s contract is bloated too, but it only has 2 years left after this season at least. Oubre is a douchebag who PATFO would never trade for/sign imo.

[marinoman]

If Jacob didn’t suck pau would be very tradable. An expiring contract, just attach a 1 and you can get something

[NASpurs]

Wizards would probably sell RC on this Russian big man named Yakov Smirnoff they drafted in the first round a couple of years ago if the Spurs took on Walls contract.

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:lol

[Chinook]

Damn. Sounds like it'd be a solid move for Porter. Do you think it'd be a good move?

If Murray were healthy? It'd be obvious to me. Porter and Murray could make the team an elite defense, and Otto's shooting would make him much more viable than Cunningham has been. It's harder to say with DeJounte out. Not only would Porter require future assets, but his contract is so big that it would likely involve the team trading Gay as well. Rudy is far too valuable to the team this year, and I imagine he'll be staying for future years unless he just doesn't want to. One of the big benefits to a Porter trade would be that Gay could take a lesser role that would be better on his body. Moving him almost defeats the purpose.

As far as I know, Porter's trade kicker is irrelevant, so we talking about $26,011,913 in salary. Assuming the Spurs are willing to go into the tax (which I actually don't think they would be), that would mean the Spurs would have to come up with $20,729,530 in matching salary. Gasol counts for $16,800,000, leaving $3,929,530 more to make up. In an ideal scenario, that's Mills, or later on at least Bertans or Beli. But likely, the Wizards wouldn't want to take back even more 2019 salary. That would leave the Spurs with Cun and Pon as the ballast, which would turn the trade into a three-for-one, which is really hard to do during the season. Something like Gasol and Gay for Porter and Thomas Bryant would just be easier from their perspective. Any additional salary would incur extra incentive from the Spurs.

There are ways around it, like hoping SAC would take Bertans for free or would take Mills for cheap. If something like that can be found, I'd definitely be on board for a Porter trade. His contract isn't great, but he expires with Aldridge and DeRozan and shouldn't hurt the team's chances to re-signing their young guys. I still think this is sort of a lost season, though, so I may not be willing to pay what it would take to get Porter.

[RD2191]

If Jacob didn’t suck pau would be very tradable. An expiring contract, just attach a 1 and you can get something

Pau is falling apart. The fuck does it matter if he doesn't even see the floor. Ship his bum ass out. He's a fukin scrub. The only reason he looks alright is because poeltl is absolute dog shit. Seriously fuck Pau.

[John B]

I was thinking maybe swapping Pau and Bertrans' expiring contracts plus 1st pick(s) with Porter and big but they have Dwight and Mahinmi??.. fuck that :lol

[RD2191]

If Murray were healthy? It'd be obvious to me. Porter and Murray could make the team an elite defense, and Otto's shooting would make him much more viable than Cunningham has been. It's harder to say with DeJounte out. Not only would Porter require future assets, but his contract is so big that it would likely involve the team trading Gay as well. Rudy is far too valuable to the team this year, and I imagine he'll be staying for future years unless he just doesn't want to. One of the big benefits to a Porter trade would be that Gay could take a lesser role that would be better on his body. Moving him almost defeats the purpose.

As far as I know, Porter's trade kicker is irrelevant, so we talking about $26,011,913 in salary. Assuming the Spurs are willing to go into the tax (which I actually don't think they would be), that would mean the Spurs would have to come up with $20,729,530 in matching salary. Gasol counts for $16,800,000, leaving $3,929,530 more to make up. In an ideal scenario, that's Mills, or later on at least Bertans or Beli. But likely, the Wizards wouldn't want to take back even more 2019 salary. That would leave the Spurs with Cun and Pon as the ballast, which would turn the trade into a three-for-one, which is really hard to do during the season. Something like Gasol and Gay for Porter and Thomas Bryant would just be easier from their perspective. Any additional salary would incur extra incentive from the Spurs.

There are ways around it, like hoping SAC would take Bertans for free or would take Mills for cheap. If something like that can be found, I'd definitely be on board for a Porter trade. His contract isn't great, but he expires with Aldridge and DeRozan and shouldn't hurt the team's chances to re-signing their young guys. I still think this is sort of a lost season, though, so I may not be willing to pay what it would take to get Porter.

Well that's certainly a lot to think about. Thanks for the write up. I appreciate all of the information. Do you think porter would fit in well with DJ and Walker?

[acoelho1]

Living in the DC area and I know these players well, I would only want Kelly Oubre or Beal. We don't have enough assets for Beal but I really like Oubre. I think his long term projections are better than Porter and keep in mind that the Wizards have had very poor coaching for his entire career. He's very athletic and could be a solid defender. His shooting needs to be improved but it's mostly due to shot selection and he has good form & elevation.

[Texas_Ranger]

i don't want any of those 3 players.

[John B]

Living in the DC area and I know these players well, I would only want Kelly Oubre or Beal. We don't have enough assets for Beal but I really like Oubre. I think his long term projections are better than Porter and keep in mind that the Wizards have had very poor coaching for his entire career. He's very athletic and could be a solid defender. His shooting needs to be improved but it's mostly due to shot selection and he has good form & elevation.
Oubre is cheap and 22 years old. They are not moving him tbh

[RD2191]

i don't want any of those 3 players.

Yeah, you're a Spurs fan, you want scrubs. :tu

[Chinook]

Well that's certainly a lot to think about. Thanks for the write up. I appreciate all of the information. Do you think porter would fit in well with DJ and Walker?

I don't see why not. Ideally, you want someone to be an actual play-maker, though. Like he fits well with DeRozan. If Murray or Lonnie develops into a legit lead guard, Otto would work out fine. But I think of him as a bigger Danny Green. Their games aren't exactly the same, but I don't think Porter's a better enough dribbler to want him to handle the ball, and his size makes up for him not being as dynamic defensively as Green is. Whatever you think needs to happen for Danny to play his best, the same is true for Otto.

[Mugen]

:pop: "i like the guys we have"


..but also there's nobody outside of Beal/Porter that I'd like. Beal isn't realistic and Porter doesn't do anything for this team long-term. i'd rather the team just be shitty enough to get a higher lottery pick rather give Porter another bloated contract after this one is up.

[Chinook]

Oubre is cheap and 22 years old. They are not moving him tbh

I think they'll do so if they can't trade anyone else. Oubre is a fine enough player, but they can't make a big deal for him, and I don't see why they'd risk losing him for nothing when they're already admitting they aren't going anywhere this year.

[Dverde]

RC is Pop’s trade broker. Pop won’t allow his Pau Gasol be traded mid-season to some lottery chasing garbage team. There is a small fraction of a percentage chance of Patty being traded. I don’t think that would happen until the offseason if ever. Deep down you all know I am right.

[Mugen]

The move was Dejounte/Patty/1st rounder for Kemba back in August and we knew that wasn't realistic. That team at least would have been a top 3 seed in the West this season.

But of course it was a move that the front office would have been terrified of making and here we are tbh.

[duncan2k5]

RC is Pop’s trade broker. Pop won’t allow his Pau Gasol be traded mid-season to some lottery chasing garbage team. There is a small fraction of a percentage chance of Patty being traded. I don’t think that would happen until the offseason if ever. Deep down you all know I am right.

But.... WE are a lottery chasing garbage team...

[Texas_Ranger]

Yeah, you're a Spurs fan, you want scrubs. :tu

I'd rather have a scrub for a year than John Walls 200M contract for 5 years.

[Chinook]

The move was Dejounte/Patty/1st rounder for Kemba back in August and we knew that wasn't realistic. That team at least would have been a top 3 seed in the West this season.

But of course it was a move that the front office would have been terrified of making and here we are tbh.

Pretty sure that the Kemba talks died during the draft, and that it was Green/Murray/18 for Walker. If you have information to the contrary, I'd love to see it. I also think the trade was only contingent on Leonard buying back in. From what I know, I can't really hold the non-trade against the Spurs, but Walker, _____, Leonard, Gay, Aldridge is an embarrassingly good starting lineup, though if they could've found a strong defensive two-guard. If it was Mills instead of Green, that unit would be incredible, and looking back, having Tony instead of Mills would have made the bench more viable.

[SAGirl]

Oubre would require less turnover to obtain and could theoretically not need a max to re-sign, but I think Porter is definitely better now. Otto put up elite defensive metrics and came into this season with a streak of hot shooting years. I also think Washington would be more inclined to give up Porter, given their need to save money going forward. As I mentioned, with Poeltl being mostly bad this year, I am not as keen to give up Pau as I would have been. Oubre is more of a wing than a forward, though. That's also a need, but he wouldn't be providing the elite D on guys like Lebron like Porter could.

I'd do it for Porter.

Pau is suffering from age-related issues in his foot. We aren't guaranteed he's not facing a situation like Timmy his last year when he got knee soreness and it never quite calmed down. What if Pau's foot soreness never fully calms down? He's in a walking boot right now and doesn't have an expected date of return bc he really might just be suffering from wear and tear and age.

I am not sure what it would require though. He'd have to be included with sweeteners if he's on the verge of retiring. I like Porter for the same reasons you do, much better shooter than Oubre, who is a skinny athletic slasher who I think wouldn't fit in well with Murray, DeRozan, et. al. Porter has regressed this season, but one cannot evaluate properly the toxic locker room and the lack of motivation he could be experimenting after getting paid and playing with a couple of small ball hogs and chuckers. I recall Porter having some nice playoff games. His contract is higher than I'd like but wings get paid on the market and that is if you can even convince them to play for you. Look at Hayward and plenty mediocre ones like Wiggins.

I don't think Dante and Quincy should be the only spots the Spurs should consider trading. Bertans isn't producing or playing as much as one would think either. Fact is there are many roleplayers in the Spurs that are aiding a tank that should be tradeable if the Spurs see someone they want.

[Mirrornick]

Not a big fan of John Wall at this point, I'll pass. Bradley Beal is also overrated chucker.. A glorified Nick Young.
I seen Beal play 3 times this season so far and he had tendencies to chuck shots. We already have Belineli taking that role lmao
Beal is shooting 33% from 3 on super high volume 8 3pt attempts per game. He is a bad fit next to DeRozan as that will push DeRozan to play the SF position which he's never been successful.

I can see why the Wizards are breaking up the team. They have their eye on Zion Williamson.

[vavvi]

Let's see Lonnie play before thinking about Oubre

[Mugen]

I'd do it for Porter.

Pau is suffering from age-related issues in his foot. We aren't guaranteed he's not facing a situation like Timmy his last year when he got knee soreness and it never quite calmed down. What if Pau's foot soreness never fully calms down? He's in a walking boot right now and doesn't have an expected date of return bc he really might just be suffering from wear and tear and age.

I am not sure what it would require though. He'd have to be included with sweeteners if he's on the verge of retiring. I like Porter for the same reasons you do, much better shooter than Oubre, who is a skinny athletic slasher who I think wouldn't fit in well with Murray, DeRozan, et. al. Porter has regressed this season, but one cannot evaluate properly the toxic locker room and the lack of motivation he could be experimenting after getting paid and playing with a couple of small ball hogs and chuckers. I recall Porter having some nice playoff games. His contract is higher than I'd like but wings get paid on the market and that is if you can even convince them to play for you. Look at Hayward and plenty mediocre ones like Wiggins.

I don't think Dante and Quincy should be the only spots the Spurs should consider trading. Bertans isn't producing or playing as much as one would think either. Fact is there are many roleplayers in the Spurs that are aiding a tank that should be tradeable if the Spurs see someone they want.

I mean if you can get Porter just with Pau/Patty/2nd rounder then go for it. But this team giving up any future 1st would be retarded at this point.

[marinoman]

RC is Pop’s trade broker. Pop won’t allow his Pau Gasol be traded mid-season to some lottery chasing garbage team. There is a small fraction of a percentage chance of Patty being traded. I don’t think that would happen until the offseason if ever. Deep down you all know I am right.
George Hill was pop’s human viagra and I thought Parker world be a spur for life no matter his play, so there’s a chance, but agree an offseason trade is more likely

[SAGirl]

I mean if you can get Porter just with Pau/Patty/2nd rounder then go for it. But this team giving up any future 1st would be retarded at this point.
They can include the Raptors pick for example. You figure.

[JeffDuncan]

Some other players on the Wiz roster.

Troy Brown Jr

Jeff Green

Mucus Morris

Devin Robinson

Jason Smith

[SAGirl]

I forgot... in terms of roleplayers, I also like satoransky.

[8FOR!3]

I forgot... in terms of roleplayers, I also like satoransky.

I was about to say he’s versatile and he can play right?

[DAF86]

I would trade either Aldridge or DeRozan for Beal, tbh. They can keep Wall though.

P/S: Yeah, I know the Wizards probably won't want any of those two back. Just saying that I would be more than willing to part with them.

[Dverde]

George Hill was pop’s human viagra and I thought Parker world be a spur for life no matter his play, so there’s a chance, but agree an offseason trade is more likely

Pop knew they couldn’t afford Hill and Parker following the next season. It was more about which one he wanted to keep. Spurs offered Parker a contract, he decided to play for the Bobcats. Not like they told him to get lost. This should be Pau’s last year with San Antonio. They’ll waive him in the offseason and pay the partial guarantee. Pau knows about it, all part of the plan.

[Chinook]

I don't think Dante and Quincy should be the only spots the Spurs should consider trading. Bertans isn't producing or playing as much as one would think either. Fact is there are many roleplayers in the Spurs that are aiding a tank that should be tradeable if the Spurs see someone they want.

It's not that Bertans or Forbes is untouchable; it's that they extend the length of time the team has to wait before making a deal. Right now, they still have to wait a month on Cun, Pon, Beli and Gay, and they have to wait two months on Forbes and Bertans. Usually fire sales don't go on for that long. Plus, as I said, future salary matters to the Wizards. I'm sure on paper they'd like Bertans more than Cunningham or Pondexter. But they likely aren't looking to go pay however much in taxes to make it happen.


I mean if you can get Porter just with Pau/Patty/2nd rounder then go for it. But this team giving up any future 1st would be retarded at this point.

You can protect picks, so there's nothing wrong with giving them up. Pau/Patty is a shit package, and it's not fair to blame PATFO for them not making moves if you expect them to get away with trades like that. A second-rounder is like putting an olive on top of that dung pile. If you don't see Porter as a legit investment in the future, then you don't make a move for him. Same with Oubre or really any trade where the team functions as a buyer. But if you do see a long-term piece to be had, you don't hesitate to give up a pick, in my opinion. So long as you protect it against, say a bottom-10 finish, you're more likely to get more from the player you acquire than the drafted player anyway. Porter was the third-overall pick; Oubre was 12th overall. You aren't likely to find guys like that just hanging around the bottom half of the draft.

[marinoman]

I would trade either Aldridge or DeRozan for Beal, tbh. They can keep Wall though.

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I hope derozan mentions you in his suicide note

[John B]

I would trade either Aldridge or DeRozan for Beal, tbh. They can keep Wall though.

P/S: Yeah, I know the Wizards probably won't want any of those two back. Just saying that I would be more than willing to part with them.
DeKobe?? No way for a ball chucker? DeStockton can facilitate more than any other Spurs guard in history that I can remember, and he can take it hard to the rim too. And he's loyal, so I really think DeMar is a Spurs lifer tbh

[BD24]

Oubre would be nice if we can come up with a decent package

[illusioNtEk]

Bradley Beal for patty,Gasol, pick

[r0drig0lac]

Some other players on the Wiz roster.

Troy Brown Jr

Jeff Green

Mucus Morris

Devin Robinson

Jason Smith

Jeff would be the only one that would interest, I do not think Spurs would have something that would interest Wiz for Porter

[DAF86]

Aldridge and DeRozan for Beal and Otto Porter.

Would the Wizards do it? Would you, as Spurs fans, do it?

The Wizards would be getting the two best players in the trade. Maybe with a new look core of Wall, DeRozan and Aldridge they can re-try fighting on the East instead of going rebuild mode.

The Spurs would definitely be getting worse this season, but with Murray, Walker, White, Beal, Porter, Bertans and Poeltl you have a promising core looking forward, then if you can add one more piece like a Jimmy Butler in the offseason (not to mention even bigger pipedreams like Davis and Durant), you would have a team with a higher ceiling than a core of DeRozan and Aldridge can ever give us.

[JeffDuncan]

I'm sure Porter is out of reach. Beal and Wall, ditto. But maybe a player further down on the roster.

[timvp]

Gasol, Mills and the Raptors first round pick for Porter? I'd do that. Hell, I'd be willing to sign off on including the Spurs pick instead of the Raptors pick as long as it's top 10 protected.

Porter's contract is a bit much but he's only 25, he's a 40% career three-point shooter, can play both forward positions, defends and has some upside since he's been stuck on a team that has never really had any chemistry to speak of since he's been in the league. You could get away with starting Gay, Porter and Aldridge up front in today's NBA.

[DPG21920]

My two cents on both teams: the only deal that makes sense is Mills+Pau + first round pick for Otto.

Washington: They do this because they are already bad and cant get much worse. They need to shed salary and this definitely does that. Gasol is only 6.5m guaranteed so this saves WAS 10M immediately next year while netting them another first round pick. On top of that, this also helps them stay somewhat competitive right now which is what I think they want given the moves they made (Dwight, Jeff Green and the 3 big contracts). This allows them to do a lot more over the next two seasons and they could flip Mills next year too for a pick I believe.

SA: I would definitely do this if I were SA. Forgetting the fact that SA obviously wants to win now, everything with Otto lines up with their current core anyways and hes young enough still and fits a position of need.

Spurs won’t be real free agent players until 2021 anyways so all SA would be doing cap wise differently is having Otto instead of Pau/Mills for the same money.

Otto has a player option that he 99% will take, but even so, SA would have Demar, Lma & Otto all expiring the same season so this gives them 2 years to compete for more with an older core/big 3.

There really is no risk for SA in terms of flexiblity since even if you keep Pau/Mills and waive Pau next year, you aren’t a true free agent player anyways. Then in 2021, instead of being at 65M in salaries, you would be at 80M with Porter opting in vs having Mills still (and Pau being gone the year before contractually).

So you can still be a solid player there and worst case your big 3 fizzles and they are all off the books the following year as Mills would be.

TL/DR: In order to have Otto for the same money as Mills/Pau with the same virtual cap flexiblity over the next 2 years, the cost is a first round pick which is worth it since SA is trying to win now as evidenced by targeting a player like LMA/DeRozan even after the Kawhi sh*t.

[DAF86]

Gasol, Mills and the Raptors first round pick for Porter? I'd do that. Hell, I'd be willing to sign off on including the Spurs pick instead of the Raptors pick as long as it's top 10 protected.

Porter's contract is a bit much but he's only 25, he's a 40% career three-point shooter, can play both forward positions, defends and has some upside since he's been stuck on a team that has never really had any chemistry to speak of since he's been in the league. You could get away with starting Gay, Porter and Aldridge up front in today's NBA.

That's a no brainer if you are the Spurs. The question is if the Wizards can't get more for Porter.

[pad300]

Gasol, Mills and the Raptors first round pick for Porter? I'd do that. Hell, I'd be willing to sign off on including the Spurs pick instead of the Raptors pick as long as it's top 10 protected.

Porter's contract is a bit much but he's only 25, he's a 40% career three-point shooter, can play both forward positions, defends and has some upside since he's been stuck on a team that has never really had any chemistry to speak of since he's been in the league. You could get away with starting Gay, Porter and Aldridge up front in today's NBA.


That's a no brainer if you are the Spurs. The question is if the Wizards can't get more for Porter.

I'd be taking a really close look at the salary cap structure before I did that. You need some space for Murray and Gay. I would also try to loot Satoransky, who is decent (maybe add Bertans?).

[DPG21920]

I'd be taking a really close look at the salary cap structure before I did that. You need some space for Murray and Gay. I would also try to loot Satoransky, who is decent (maybe add Bertans?).

Spurs don’t need to worry about Gay. In this scenario SA would be in no danger of not being able to keep Murray or White or Met or Lonnie since the last 3 all have cheap team options in the final year of LMA/DeRozan/Otto deals. Murray has a qualifying offer that year and SA would only be at about 80M in salaries (best case).

[r0drig0lac]

Spurs don’t need to worry about Gay. In this scenario SA would be in no danger of not being able to keep Murray or White or Met or Lonnie since the last 3 all have cheap team options in the final year of LMA/DeRozan/Otto deals. Murray has a qualifying offer that year and SA would only be at about 80M in salaries (best case).

is there any scenario where SA could have Demar / Aldridge / Murray / Walker / Porter / Gay and space for an offer to Kris Midlleton?

[DPG21920]

is there any scenario where SA could have Demar / Aldridge / Murray / Walker / Porter / Gay and space for an offer to Kris Midlleton?

Pretty unlikely but the best chance would be in 2021. At that point, if SA moved everyone they had control over except for the guys you mentioned, there might be room to get Mid in there (if you assume he doesn’t get a big raise). He would also have to opt-in to his 13M with MIL next season too obviously so that he actually makes it to free agency in 2021.

[r0drig0lac]

Pretty unlikely but the best chance would be in 2021. At that point, if SA moved everyone they had control over except for the guys you mentioned, there might be room to get Mid in there (if you assume he doesn’t get a big raise). He would also have to opt-in to his 13M with MIL next season too obviously so that he actually makes it to free agency in 2021.

thanks

[vavvi]

No way Almost-Bullets take Patty & Pau even if the pick is our 1st

[JeffDuncan]

is there any scenario where SA could have Demar / Aldridge / Murray / Walker / Porter / Gay and space for an offer to Kris Midlleton?

Only in a letter to Santa, I'm afraid.

Dear Santa, I've been a very very good boy all year, and what I want for Christmas is.....

[John B]

Only in a letter to Santa, I'm afraid.

Dear Santa, I've been a very very good boy all year, and what I want for Christmas is.....
:lmao:lmao:lmao

[DPG21920]

No way Almost-Bullets take Patty & Pau even if the pick is our 1st

Jimmy Butler netted Saric/Covington and Jimmy is definitely considered better than Otto. Otto is already paid like Jimmy wants to be paid so there is no choice there.

Sure, Saric/Covington are better than Mills/Pau, but getting a first round pick and getting flexibltliy is arguably more than MIN got for Butler.

[vavvi]

Jimmy Butler netted Saric/Covington and Jimmy is definitely considered better than Otto. Otto is already paid like Jimmy wants to be paid so there is no choice there.

Sure, Saric/Covington are better than Mills/Pau, but getting a first round pick and getting flexibltliy is arguably more than MIN got for Butler.

yeah but Butler organized kawaiiesque shit-show so Mini was forced to trade him. also he's a rental
It's like imagine we were trading Nephew a year earlier with no uncle show -- we would have got much, much more

[Hoops Czar]

Once again, Spurstalk talking out of every orifice as if the Spurs actually had assets other teams would be willing to trade for, much less give away their talent for pennies on the dollar. Washington is having a fire sale, not a garage sale.

[vavvi]

and of course Saric & Covington are both positive value contracts & on the court.
Mills is probably negative value in most GMs' eyes

[Mugen]

Fun to speculate but Patty isn't going anywhere, I'd be surprised if Pop signed off on moving Patty if it meant getting Anthony Davis back tbh. :lol

[Hoops Czar]

and of course Saric & Covington are both positive value contracts & on the court.
Mills is probably negative value in most GMs' eyes
Paddy Mills is untouchable. Who else on the roster other than Eubanks are you going to trade Damien Lillard for?

[vavvi]

Of course Mills is untouchable. Who would want to touch him? Properly drugged Vlade Divac?

[NASpurs]

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[DPG21920]

Oh and I would not touch Oubre with a 100 foot pole. I can’t stand that guy and he definitely strikes me as a “me-first” guy who thinks he’s better than he is and acts like Swaggy P.

This has been his best year so far and he still grades out in virtually every metric as a big net negative on BOTH sides of the ball. Given, a lot of WAS players have depressed advanced metrics because they are a dumpster fire, but that dude irks me so bad.

[Phenomanul]

Wizards would probably sell RC on this Russian big man named Yakov Smirnoff they drafted in the first round a couple of years ago if the Spurs took on Walls contract.

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:lol

:pop: You had me at Russian...

[timvp]

That's a no brainer if you are the Spurs. The question is if the Wizards can't get more for Porter.

They could probably get better but not a whole lot better. They'd likely have to decide whether to accept a total salary dump or a deal where they take back salary while also getting assets (young players or picks).


Oh and I would not touch Oubre with a 100 foot pole.

Ditto. He's talented but I've never seen him play winning basketball. He's young enough to change but giving up a first round pick for him wouldn't be a good gamble, IMO.

[baseline bum]

What can Pau and Patty get?

Probably Bible Kemp. No thanks.

[Chucho]

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Man, they're not even a decade removed from the gun issue. Seems like this franchise has been straight volatility since like, man, the CWebb days.

[baseline bum]

Oubre would be nice if we can come up with a decent package

Bend over. I'll come up with a decent package.

[Russ]

The Wizards want to build with young players.

The Spurs want to build with young players.

I don't see a trade happening.

[TD 21]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273322&page=6


Agreed. Gasol, Mills (preferably) or Gay, lottery protected '19 1st, probably gets it done. The Wizards would gain a lot of cap relief, a useful rotational piece (either of which they could use) and a pick.


If the Spurs could give up their Mills fetish, Porter's bloated salary could be viewed in this light: Instead of paying Mills, Gasol's quasi-expiring and the MLE on an SF over the next 2-3 years, it would all essentially be consolidated into one much needed player.

They have enough young, inexpensive depth for it, none of them are due to get paid in the next 2 years and Porter's 3rd year is a p/o. At that point, they could try to get him to pull a Jefferson: opt out and secure more long term money at a more palatable average annual value.

A variation is: Gasol, Mills, Pondexter (eligible December 15th) and either Spurs lottery protected 1st or Raptors 1st for Porter and Smith.

Think either would appeal to them. Grunfeld is old school and at some point is bound to get fired. Can't imagine him looking to re-build, but rather re-load. He'd probably value championship winning veterans, like Gasol and Mills, who have strong reputations and who'd both fill needs.

[gambit1990]

all the stupid washington fans on IG who kept saying “don’t sleep on the wizards” during the offseason :rollin

[gambit1990]

every player i can know on that roster is overrated.

[marinoman]

When kyrie was available last offseason and I was saying he’s the best pg in a the east and I’d love if spurs could land him, remember he had spurs on his list, lots of people here were saying wall is the best pg in the east.

One thing I’ve always hated about is wall when opposing centers give a screen on him he never tries to fight through the screen, just switches and leaves his center/pf guarding a pg on an island. No matter the coach btw

[Kobe'sAchilles]

:lol Every person here complains about Mills contract yet they want to take on Porters bad contract

[Joseph Kony]

the only players on Washington that i would want are Beal/Porter/Oubre in that order. And no way we have anything to trade for a player of Beal's caliber, Porter would be amazing and just what we need but he makes more than i can almost guarantee PATFO want to pay, and Oubre is good in theory but i know he will want more money in FA than spurs will want to pay, he is not really a spurs type of player personality wise, and his 3point shot isnt great.

Wizards are kinda fucked because the only real chips they have are those 3 and no one wants Wall at 45+ mil a season so the wizards will be forced to keep building around a PG who will never win shit as their corner stone

[DAF86]

:lol Every person here complains about Mills contract yet they want to take on Porters bad contract

Porter would at least be playable vs contenders with the season on the line.

[RC_Drunkford]

Otto Porter is an advanced stat Don. The guy needs more shots and a better environment. He doesn't mesh well with Wall/Beal. Having him on the team would be ideal, especially if you consider that we can't get any of Butler, PG13, KD, LeBron, Giannis and obviously Kawhi. He's also a player whose contract is viewed as bad since he has been underperforming. The guy is only 25 and would break out under Pop. I think we could get him, but it would only make sense for Washington to get Gasol if they move Mahinmi. Some type of 3 team deal might make sense.

Going forward it would get us close to luxury tax, but not quite above it, we can resign Gay with bird rights. If we get rid of Bertans and maybe even Belinelli we could sign Stanley Johnson for the MLE and fill out the roster with the Bi-Annual Exception and some minimum contracts plus our draft pick. And we still have Milutinov overseas plus Moore on the 2-way contract. Spurs could be loaded with 3-and-D wings while starting

Murray/DeRozan/Porter/Gay/Aldridge

[james evans]

Commisioner Powder has already instructed the Wizards give Beal to the Lakers for a 2024 2nd round pick

[BD24]

Bend over. I'll come up with a decent package.
:lol

[venitian navigator]

One trade that could be accepted from Wizards is LMA + Pau for Porter Mahinmi and their first.
they are bound for life with Wall 'cause of his contract...and they have to figure out the players compatible with him as soon as possible as their goals for this season. In my opinion they wil try one last step forward a team that can be a play off team.
That said, Mahinmi is on another two years on a 15 millions contract...and his value is negative, to the point they are not playing him at all despite him being healty. Porter is the obvious man out (they have a lot of good to decent small forwards and Oubre has already taken his spot...), considering Wall is untreadable and Beal is the only player that goes along with him, at least this season.
Pau and LMA play well together and its known that LMA prefers to play pf...so playing with Howard should not be a problem...four bigs like LMA Pau Howard and Morris are worth a play offs spot.
Its early but I think that if we want Washington like a trade partner the time is now...
With this trade they go all in for a play off spot and we go a little more on the rebuilding/tanking way, with the chance to have two good lottery picks on next draft

[cd021]

I'll keep on dreaming, but if Wiz would take Pau and Bertrans' expiring contracts plus 1st round(s), I'd take Porter happily.

Bertans has another guaranteed year and I would much rather it be Gasol, Toronto pick, and the player formerly known as Ferrari Belinelli.

[John B]

Bertans has another guaranteed year and I would much rather it be Gasol, Toronto pick, and the player formerly known as Ferrari Belinelli.
Yup this team terribly needs a lockdown defensive guy. It was just ugly.

[cd021]

Otto Porter is an advanced stat Don. The guy needs more shots and a better environment. He doesn't mesh well with Wall/Beal. Having him on the team would be ideal, especially if you consider that we can't get any of Butler, PG13, KD, LeBron, Giannis and obviously Kawhi. He's also a player whose contract is viewed as bad since he has been underperforming. The guy is only 25 and would break out under Pop. I think we could get him, but it would only make sense for Washington to get Gasol if they move Mahinmi. Some type of 3 team deal might make sense.

Going forward it would get us close to luxury tax, but not quite above it, we can resign Gay with bird rights. If we get rid of Bertans and maybe even Belinelli we could sign Stanley Johnson for the MLE and fill out the roster with the Bi-Annual Exception and some minimum contracts plus our draft pick. And we still have Milutinov overseas plus Moore on the 2-way contract. Spurs could be loaded with 3-and-D wings while starting

Murray/DeRozan/Porter/Gay/Aldridge

Spur's already used the BAE on Cunningham and would likely have to dip in to the MLE to bring Militinov over.

[dbestpro]

Spurs love to do things on the cheap and as long as they think Gay can be their third big scorer there will be no new players who could make us better.

[duncan2k5]

Bend over. I'll come up with a decent package.


Spurs love to do things on the cheap and as long as they think Gay can be their third big scorer there will be no new players who could make us better.

Exactly... We go through this every year... Spurs aren't going to trade anyone... They're content fighting for an 8th seed