The 2019 Picks

[FutureMan]

From what looks like the first time ever the Spurs may end up having two first round picks. The purpose of this poll is to see what people think may happen with these picks

[BD24]

I voted more on what I would like to see happen. I think if we can move up in the top 10 and find a great wing we trade up with both picks.

[Harry Callahan]

I think the picks right now will be between 10-15 and 27 - 30.

[TimDunkem]

Keep both. Spurs will get killed in a trade unless they find another Indiana which, in case they do, obviously you should try to trade up.

[Boomersgold]

Trade up to draft Rui Hachimura

[r0drig0lac]

Trade up to draft Rui Hachimura

x1000 do whatever it takes to bring that child to SA (and make sure your uncle likes the place)

[Kurgan]

Toronto will finish with a top 2 record - that pick won't be so great. Extremely late firsts are barely any better than early 2nds. Spurs pick depends entirely on whether Pop is adamant about making playoffs or not. At the moment, the Spurs do not have a playoff caliber roster. They're currently behind a rebuilding team like the Mavs which is pretty embarrassing for an organization that's not intentionally tanking. Pop might try to make a desperation move in order to eke out a playoff berth.

[Dex]

I think the picks right now will be between 10-15 and 27 - 30.

Agreed, and that's why I think trading both to try to get into the 5-10 range is the right move, if possible.

You know you are getting good talent in that range. I'd rather the Spurs try to develop one sure thing over two shots in the dark.

[cd021]

I would trade one If it meant that this team could get off salary and take back a player that could help them this season and next.

I.e Mills and Gasol plus pick for Porter

[duncan2150]

I will keep both, if We could have a good player this season ala porter i will trade the Raptors pick.

To have two picks is a really good thing, you could have valuable player even with a late pick. We could add some depth and youth.

[cd021]

I think our pick will be in the 13-18 range baring a team improving trade while Toronto's pick will be 27-30.

Say it ends up being the 17th and 29th pick; not sure how much they could move up, but I would trade both to move up if it means that the Spurs could get up to ,say, 12th and take a top wing prospect.

Bring back Gay on a two year deal, stretch Gasol, bring Militinov over (though that is probably going to cost $4 million of the MLE), and use the rest of the MLE to bring in another player

[Chinook]

The way it's looking right now, there's no reason to think of those two picks as being related. If the Spurs are a mid-to-low lottery team, the extra first won't have enough value to do more than move them up a spot. Getting a decent player for four years is worth more than that. If the team really does get something like the 10th pick, they should be able to snag a good forward, whether that's Hunter, Hachimura, Doubouya, King, Little or Grant. If for some reason all of those guys are gone in the first nine picks, then there should be an elite prospect at another position to draft. It's not ideal to pick up yet another guard, but some of the SGs have decent size, and the PGs wouldn't hurt seeing as DeRozan may be an expiring next summer and Derrick White hasn't shown he could take the job leading the bench.

The second pick is dicier. There are more forwards who could be around then, like Lawson, Bazley, Washington and Samanic. Someone like Jontay Porter may also be lurking, and at that range, PGs make even more sense. It's just much harder to predict who will be around then this early in the season. Even another Cory Joseph would be fine value at the selection. The question is whether such a pick can be more valuable as a trade piece either this year or in June. I'm not sure. Part of me prefers the Spurs to be buyers and make a move for a player like Porter to shore up that D. However, part of me also wants the team to trade away as much detritus from the roster as possible. I don't want a rebuild, so big moves like LMA or DMDR aren't really my wish. But pretty much every other vet should be on the block in an effort to improve the picks the Spurs have. They might be better served to wait until June to consider such trades, but if they can get eighth and 20th while clearing some cap space, this season will not feel so wasted.

[duncan2150]

I think our pick will be in the 13-18 range baring a team improving trade while Toronto's pick will be 27-30.

Say it ends up being the 17th and 29th pick, not sure how much they could move up but I would trade both to move up if it means that the Spurs could get up to ,say, 12th and take a wing.

Agree

that’s why i prefer To keep both picks, offcourse if we could move To a 5-10 pick i will trade them but we’ll probably have To give more.

I prefer a 16-18 pick and 27 than a 11-12 for exemple.

[TheGreatYacht]

Keep them. Better chance of Drunkford getting lucky and drafting someone not fucking garbage if he drafts twice in the first round

[Chinook]

Agree

that’s why i prefer To keep both picks, offcourse if we could move To a 5-10 pick i will trade them but we’ll probably have To give more.

I prefer a 16-18 pick and 27 than a 11-12 for exemple.

It's all about the individual player. I would have taken Walker at eight if I were PATFO and had the chance. The only debateable player would have been Mikal Bridges. In that regard, the Spurs got a top-10 pick without having to give up anything. If the same player (say Hachimura) is around at both 11 and 16, then trading the other first doesn't make sense. But of course, you won't know that until/unless you get to 16 with Rui still on the board. Quite the gamble. Could be worth it, though, to be able to double-dip with a guy like Wilkes and double your chances of getting an impact forward.

[duncan2150]

It's all about the individual player. I would have taken Walker at eight if I were PATFO and had the chance. The only debateable player would have been Mikal Bridges. In that regard, the Spurs got a top-10 pick without having to give up anything. If the same player (say Hachimura) is around at both 11 and 16, then trading the other first doesn't make sense. But of course, you won't know that until/unless you get to 16 with Rui still on the board. Quite the gamble. Could be worth it, though, to be able to double-dip with a guy like Wilkes and double your chances of getting an impact forward.

I totally agree, best case is that they draft the player they want with their pick and then trade the late one for a better player or just draft another good prospect.

[BackHome]

I am hoping for 7 to 10 first and hopefully Toronto stumbles and we get 24. This also allows us to get a high second round we can get a good PG/SG

[SAGirl]

I wasn’t on board with a tank last season but I am a lot more sympathetic to that point than I was then and I am one of those swing thinkers on this point. They just aren’t good right now. They are very flawed and don’t have a chance to win even a single series if they sneak in the playoffs.

I think there are moves they could make to improve but they will cost assets. In fact assets they might need if this ship is going south. It feels like putting a bandaid on a gash wound. But at the same time, on others games it looks like a couple of moves might help them. I am not going to pretend to be armchair GM or 2k GM here. But I’d tell you what I would hate. Precisely another No 18 pick and a 29. You can get a good player at 18, with a small chance at a great one, but you also can gamble hard and miss widely or get an injury prone risky guy that fell. I want someone better than that. Or better chances at a better player. So I suppose that means I want a tank.

OTOH, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a move or two out there the Spurs can do to turn the ship around. If that’s out there to be had, I’d be happy to have been wrong on my tank preference.

[Leetonidas]

Spurs should keep both. I trust their ability to draft for the most part. I don't think packaging a late first with the 12-16 pick is going to move us up much anyway and no point wasting a pick this year to get better. Unless it's to get a good young player under contract

[TDMVPDPOY]

u keep those picks, draft and develop...no more leaving them in europe bullshit...need guys to come in and develop with the young core atm that will ripe in 2-3 years together

get rid of the vets like pau, shitty mills... = fuck whatever culture they bring

dunno how much extension did lma get, but he doesnt play like his worth 20m asking price...

[TD 21]

Probably retain both in season, then see how the draft plays out before contemplating attempting to move up. It's going to be difficult though, because their own pick is looking like a lottey one and in the range that the Raptors one, at it's best, was likely to get them into. Now that pick looks like it's going to be at it's worst, which obviously also lessens it's own value.

So in the end, in typical Spurs fashion, most likely nothing.

Porter makes sense, but is more than likely a pipe dream. I could see them having interest in Stanley Johnson (rumored as recently as last season), but the only way they should even consider giving the Raptors pick up for him, is if they take Belinelli.

[BackHome]

People act like we going to trade Forbes and get a All Star. Smh. The only way we are going to get better is by tanking hard this year we need to get in the 4 to 9 range to get a Great player. Also hoping that Toronto falls a little bit so our second pick falls 20 to 25. Then we got another high second round pick which would help improve our sucky bench.

After this season cut dead weight Cunningham, Londexter, also based on who we drafted look at trading Gasol, Bertans, Forbes for picks or a player, or moving up in Draft.

[Boomersgold]

x1000 do whatever it takes to bring that child to SA (and make sure your uncle likes the place)

His uncle most likely lives overseas so no chance that he meddles in Rui's career. Hachimura's definitely a high lottery pick.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3vUGUi5lis

[r0drig0lac]

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2019-duke-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-battle-for-top-spot/iluuw7kwmy3y1eifqkaz7hya0

hichimura to spurs in 11

[RC_Drunkford]

I think trading Poeltl with the Toronto pick or even the Spurs pick alltogether is an option to move up. I pretty much think they will try to move up as they need a prospect with a high ceiling who can also help right away at the SF position

[Chinook]

His uncle most likely lives overseas so no chance that he meddles in Rui's career. Hachimura's definitely a high lottery pick.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3vUGUi5lis

Expecting more like 12-20. He's a junior this year, and he seems more limited that some of the hype is making him out to be. Looks like a modern four rather than a legit wing. People talk about Leonard and Green also having histories at PF, but by their final years in college, both Kawhi and Danny were at their NBA positions. I expect the same of Rui, and I think people will see him more like Bobby Portis in the draft or at best pre-draft Donovan Mitchell.

I'd want him just fine, but if the team takes him, then the Raptors pick needs to be used on a real wing.

[Chinook]

I think trading Poeltl with the Toronto pick or even the Spurs pick alltogether is an option to move up. I pretty much think they will try to move up as they need a prospect with a high ceiling who can also help right away at the SF position

I think it's an option if the Spurs end up at like 18 again. If they're at like 10 or 12, I don't expect them to move up. The marginal value is just not worth it unless it's just for a spot like the LAC/CHA trade last June. Obviously, if you think a guy is a real superstar in the making, then you do what you have to do to get him. But if the idea is just to get a starting-caliber SF, then it makes more sense to try to acquire on via trade or free agency and let the rest of the chips fall where they may. The team lacks enough talent to where any guy they draft could still be useful.

I also don't think Poe is on the block unless Pau comes back healthy and either Metu shows he can be a rotational center or they have a deal in place for Milutinov. They seem to have coveted him, and he's finally playing up to that level. With a gimpy Gasol who could be waived, I don't see the upside in losing Jakob for the second tier of wings. We aren't talking about being able to grab a Reddish or Barrett here.

[playblair]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGOdMCEkhWA

[BackHome]

Expecting more like 12-20. He's a junior this year, and he seems more limited that some of the hype is making him out to be. Looks like a modern four rather than a legit wing. People talk about Leonard and Green also having histories at PF, but by their final years in college, both Kawhi and Danny were at their NBA positions. I expect the same of Rui, and I think people will see him more like Bobby Portis in the draft or at best pre-draft Donovan Mitchell.

I'd want him just fine, but if the team takes him, then the Raptors pick needs to be used on a real wing.

My dream:
1st Pick - Sekou Doumbouya 6'9 SF Wingspan 6'11 or Nassir Little 6'6 SF Wingspan 7'2 or Kris Wilkes 6'8 SF Wingspan 6'11

Raptors Pick - Darius Bazley 6/9 SF/PF Wingspan 6'11 or Bruno Fernando 6'10 PF/C Wingspan 7'4 or Goga Bitadze 6'11 PF/C Wing 7'1

2nd Round Pick - Tyler Herro 6'6 SG Wingspan 6'10 or Kosja Mushidi 6'5 SG Wingspan 7'0

Dark Horse Eli Okobo Pg 6'3 Wingspan 6'8 or

[TheGreatYacht]

^ yikes.

[Chinook]

My dream:
1st Pick - Sekou Doumbouya 6'9 SF Wingspan 6'11 or Nassir Little 6'6 SF Wingspan 7'2 or Kris Wilkes 6'8 SF Wingspan 6'11

Raptors Pick - Darius Bazley 6/9 SF/PF Wingspan 6'11 or Bruno Fernando 6'10 PF/C Wingspan 7'4 or Goga Bitadze 6'11 PF/C Wing 7'1

2nd Round Pick - Tyler Herro 6'6 SG Wingspan 6'10 or Kosja Mushidi 6'5 SG Wingspan 7'0

Dark Horse Eli Okobo Pg 6'3 Wingspan 6'8 or

Okobo is a Sun.

[BackHome]

Chinook don’t Fuck with my Dream. Lol

[Trueblood]

I get the idea of holding onto vets in order to retain the label of a player friendly team, but I would blow it up and rebuild through the draft. Using like DDR and Aldridge could be enough to move us up high in the draft could get us a foundational talent. DDR with one of our picks could move us up into the top 5 and Aldridge could get us a lottery pick from a team that believes he is a missing piece. A top five talent and a lottery pick combined with Murray would give us a really strong youth core moving forward.
Won't happen because they're trying (pathetically) to build a contender for pop's last year or two.

[BackHome]

I don’t see any team wanting to trade for Derr or
LMA all the lottery teams are years away frim being good so they looking for young guns.

[playblair]

My dream:
1st Pick - Sekou Doumbouya 6'9 SF Wingspan 6'11 or Nassir Little 6'6 SF Wingspan 7'2 or Kris Wilkes 6'8 SF Wingspan 6'11

Raptors Pick - Darius Bazley 6/9 SF/PF Wingspan 6'11 or Bruno Fernando 6'10 PF/C Wingspan 7'4 or Goga Bitadze 6'11 PF/C Wing 7'1

2nd Round Pick - Tyler Herro 6'6 SG Wingspan 6'10 or Kosja Mushidi 6'5 SG Wingspan 7'0

Dark Horse Eli Okobo Pg 6'3 Wingspan 6'8 or

nasir little is a bust he plays 0 defense

[FutureMan]

I’m surprised by the amount of people who want to keep both picks. There’s nothing wrong with that strategy (or any of these strategies if the deal/player is right) but it does mean that two people on the roster this year won’t be next year if you want to keep both picks. So who are the odd men out? Pondexter seems like an easy choice but are the Spurs just going to let Dante Cunningham walk?

[RD2191]

I’m surprised by the amount of people who want to keep both picks. There’s nothing wrong with that strategy (or any of these strategies if the deal/player is right) but it does mean that two people on the roster this year won’t be next year if you want to keep both picks. So who are the odd men out? Pondexter seems like an easy choice but are the Spurs just going to let Dante Cunningham walk?

Not sure what you're getting at here, everyone on this roster aside from DJ and DD is shit.

[BackHome]

Amen Brother we need a huge Upgrade on a lot of positions.

[FutureMan]

Not sure what you're getting at here, everyone on this roster aside from DJ and DD is shit.

Im wondering who people think won’t be a Spur next year if they keep both picks since the roster is basically full.

The roster isn’t as bad as you’re making it out to be.

[DPG21920]

Im wondering who people think won’t be a Spur next year if they keep both picks since the roster is basically full.

The roster isn’t as bad as you’re making it out to be.

Pau is only guaranteed 6.7M of his 16M deal if waived, so that could definitley be someone who is gone. Rudy is not under contract next year either, so there is 2 right there. Same thing with Cunningham who hasn’t been very good. Good teammate and hustles, but not producing. Pondexter as well is off the books. So there is definitely 2 spots that can be opened.

[RD2191]

Im wondering who people think won’t be a Spur next year if they keep both picks since the roster is basically full.

The roster isn’t as bad as you’re making it out to be.

I know, it's worse.

[DPG21920]

Spurs can pretty easily get to 15M in cap space with keeping both picks if:

They waive Pau (not even stretching him, just keeping the 6.7M on the books next year)
Pick up options on White, Murray & Poeltl
Renounce all free agents which is really Rudy, Dante & Quincy
Trade Mills with taking nothing back.

That would leave LMA, DeRozan, Bertans, Beli, Forbes, Poeltl, Lonnie, Murray, White & Metu (10) players, with 2 first round picks (SA’s and TOR’s) and 15M in cap space. So SA would have to think that they could replace Rudy, Mills & Pau with 15M & 2 1st round picks which may be tough to do.

[Trueblood]

I don’t see any team wanting to trade for Derr or
LMA all the lottery teams are years away frim being good so they looking for young guns.

I see your point. I just feel that we moved up and got Kawhi trading away our back up point guard. There is bound to be a team willing to do something similar with two players who are both multi all stars

[cd021]

Spurs can pretty easily get to 15M in cap space with keeping both picks if:

They waive Pau (not even stretching him, just keeping the 6.7M on the books next year)
Pick up options on White, Murray & Poeltl
Renounce all free agents which is really Rudy, Dante & Quincy
Trade Mills with taking nothing back.

That would leave LMA, DeRozan, Bertans, Beli, Forbes, Poeltl, Lonnie, Murray, White & Metu (10) players, with 2 first round picks (SA’s and TOR’s) and 15M in cap space. So SA would have to think that they could replace Rudy, Mills & Pau with 15M & 2 1st round picks which may be tough to do.

Who's taking Mills without trading a player in return? Spurs are going to have to add a 1st. Letting Gay walk is a mistake when the Spurs don't have another wing.

I think that $15 million is pipe dreamish.

Spurs probably re-sign Gay, Cunningham, waive Gasol, not bring back Pondexter and bring over Militinov. Maybe trade up for a wing or stay put, select a player with their own pick and stash a player with the Rap's pick.

[cd021]

Forbes plus the Spurs pick might be a good package come the draft. Forbes is dirty cheap and is probably going to finish in the top 5 in 3pt shooting plus a pick probably in the teens.

[DPG21920]

Who's taking Mills without trading a player in return? Spurs are going to have to add a 1st. Letting Gay walk is a mistake when the Spurs don't have another wing.

I think that $15 million is pipe dreamish.

Spurs probably re-sign Gay, Cunningham, waive Gasol, not bring back Pondexter and bring over Militinov. Maybe trade up for a wing or stay put, select a player with their own pick and stash a player with the Rap's pick.

1. Adding a first doesn’t change the calculation for cap space purposes really.

2. I didn’t say it was likely - I was just presenting a scenario where keeping both picks might make sense

3. The only thing that needs to be accomplished in this scenario that SA does not have complete control over is the Mills part. So while you may think it’s pipe dreamish, Mills has positive value and SA could probably salary dump him IF they wanted to (not saying they do or will). But getting a player in return isn’t an issue either as long as they are on a one-year deal. Either way, salary dump next year with nothing back or a trade for a player on a one year deal this year accomplishes the same goal in the scenario.

[Chinook]

Who's taking Mills without trading a player in return? Spurs are going to have to add a 1st. Letting Gay walk is a mistake when the Spurs don't have another wing.

I think that $15 million is pipe dreamish.

Spurs probably re-sign Gay, Cunningham, waive Gasol, not bring back Pondexter and bring over Militinov. Maybe trade up for a wing or stay put, select a player with their own pick and stash a player with the Rap's pick.

I can understand not thinking the Spurs are going to bring in three or four rookies. But it's not a viable plan to stash the Toronto pick or the second-rounder. I have no real sense of the board, but looking at this past draft the earliest player taken who wasn't signed to an NBA contract was 44th overall. There were only five total players who were stashed. With two-way contracts to bolster their earnings, Americans are less and less willing to be sent over, and international prospects who are in line to be stashed anyway are just staying out of the draft unless they're unable to withdraw. I like Bonga as a prospect, but I'm not drafting him 15-20 pick earlier just to avoid a rookie contract.

I don't disagree with the idea that SA won't prioritize being under the cap this summer. There's a decent chance they even keep Gasol. But I wouldn't pencil in Cunningham or Milutinov on the roster as of now. Nikola in particular could end up never being a Spur, because he wants more money than he's worth, and the team could draft a big with a better NBA skill-set with one of their later picks. I also wouldn't rule out them drafting guys they are willing to waive or trade if they can't hold onto roster spots. They just need talent and can't afford to avoid bringing in bodies for competition.

[TheGreatYacht]

I’m surprised by the amount of people who want to keep both picks. There’s nothing wrong with that strategy (or any of these strategies if the deal/player is right) but it does mean that two people on the roster this year won’t be next year if you want to keep both picks. So who are the odd men out? Pondexter seems like an easy choice but are the Spurs just going to let Dante Cunningham walk?

Not sure what you're getting at here, everyone on this roster aside from DJ and DD is shit.

The roster isn’t as bad as you’re making it out to be.

I know, it's worse.
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Chinook]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

Rob still doing work despite getting hit with tear gas yesterday.

[TheGreatYacht]

Rob still doing work despite getting hit with tear gas yesterday.
:lol

[NASpurs]

Rob still doing work despite getting hit with tear gas yesterday.

:lol

[cd021]

1. Adding a first doesn’t change the calculation for cap space purposes really.

2. I didn’t say it was likely - I was just presenting a scenario where keeping both picks might make sense

3. The only thing that needs to be accomplished in this scenario that SA does not have complete control over is the Mills part. So while you may think it’s pipe dreamish, Mills has positive value and SA could probably salary dump him IF they wanted to (not saying they do or will). But getting a player in return isn’t an issue either as long as they are on a one-year deal. Either way, salary dump next year with nothing back or a trade for a player on a one year deal this year accomplishes the same goal in the scenario.

I don't disagree that Mills has positive value but the teams with cap space are mostly bad and once they strike out on free agents then they usually move into the "renting out cap space" portion of the summer. They become willing to acquire undesirable contracts in exchange for picks.

Mils still has 2 years left and while I have been on the record saying that the remaining money isn't all that bad (because the cap jumps far outweigh his salary increases) , I am skeptical that the Spurs will find a taker if they go looking and then there is the issue that potential impact free agents will be gone by then.

I still think that not bringing back Gay just to get $15 million in cap space is a mistake. Staying over allows for the Spurs to keep him with dipping into the MLE and the advantage of being one of few playoffs teams (that is if they make the playoffs) of having the full amount at their disposal.

Essentially they'd get to keep Gay and have $9 million as opposed to not having Gay and Mills and having $15 million.

[cd021]

I can understand not thinking the Spurs are going to bring in three or four rookies. But it's not a viable plan to stash the Toronto pick or the second-rounder. I have no real sense of the board, but looking at this past draft the earliest player taken who wasn't signed to an NBA contract was 44th overall. There were only five total players who were stashed. With two-way contracts to bolster their earnings, Americans are less and less willing to be sent over, and international prospects who are in line to be stashed anyway are just staying out of the draft unless they're unable to withdraw. I like Bonga as a prospect, but I'm not drafting him 15-20 pick earlier just to avoid a rookie contract.

I don't disagree with the idea that SA won't prioritize being under the cap this summer. There's a decent chance they even keep Gasol. But I wouldn't pencil in Cunningham or Milutinov on the roster as of now. Nikola in particular could end up never being a Spur, because he wants more money than he's worth, and the team could draft a big with a better NBA skill-set with one of their later picks. I also wouldn't rule out them drafting guys they are willing to waive or trade if they can't hold onto roster spots. They just need talent and can't afford to avoid bringing in bodies for competition.

I am aware that draft and stashes are becoming less common and that PATFO hasn't done it since Militinov in the first round but roster spots are limited and I don't think that they'd enter FA with only 1 spot potentially.

I am curious about bringing Gasol back, he can still play but I can't remember a case were a player was waived and brought back. Would the Spurs have to waive and stretch him and then sign him to a new deal and have both figures on the books?

I wouldn't be shocked but would be annoyed that the Spurs wasted a first rounder on a player who was willing to be stashed away only to save a couple million dollars for that free agency.

I did expect him to want a 3 deal probably starting at $4 million which would require the Spurs to dip in to the MLE but it is entirely possible that they use the Raps pick for a big or bring Gasol back with Poeltl and Metu being the young bigs of the future.

[Chinook]

I am aware that draft and stashes are becoming less common and that PATFO hasn't done it since Militinov in the first round but roster spots are limited and I don't think that they'd enter FA with only 1 spot potentially.

The Spurs have entered free agency with zero spots before. Anyways, my point isn't that stashing is wrong or whatever; it's that you can't reliably find guys who are willing to be stashed. There's no reason to select a player who's way worse than who's available just because that player is willing to be stashed. It could work out that someone intriguing is there and is good value. But the team has to prepare for the possibility that they'll need to use the pick. They're not the only team with multiple selections that may not have enough roster spots.


I am curious about bringing Gasol back, he can still play but I can't remember a case were a player was waived and brought back. Would the Spurs have to waive and stretch him and then sign him to a new deal and have both figures on the books?

You can't stretch a guy and re-sign him in the same year. You can waive a guy and bring him back. That usually happens with low-level players, like James Anderson back in the day. When that happens, you do have both figures on the books, and those figures operate independently. Like if the Spurs waived Pau and then brought him back on a min deal, they'd have the $7ish Million contract and the $2ish Million contract, and they'd only be able to trade the latter.


I wouldn't be shocked but would be annoyed that the Spurs wasted a first rounder on a player who was willing to be stashed away only to save a couple million dollars for that free agency.

I'd be decently surprised. If they don't want the pick, they'll use it before then as part of a trade. In this scenario where SA also has a good second, that'll be the one they'd stash. Or they'd combine those it and the TOR pick rather than worrying about the SA first.


I did expect him to want a 3 deal probably starting at $4 million which would require the Spurs to dip in to the MLE but it is entirely possible that they use the Raps pick for a big or bring Gasol back with Poeltl and Metu being the young bigs of the future.

The entire Milutinov situation pisses me off. I do think that they had interest in bringing him over and didn't have interest anymore (at least for this season) after they traded for Poeltl. I can't say if Nikola wanting too much made them covet Poeltl over Siakam or OG (and I would break something if that got confirmed) or if having to settle on Jakob killed any incentive to cave to Milutinov. But I could see him being traded or just let go if they can't work something out. I wouldn't pay more than rookie-scale for him right now, but he can get twice that in Europe just being who he is.

[BackHome]

Yeah I am thinking they just drafted him to stash him over seas so they would never have to pay him. I guess it’s another way of saving money draft foreign draft picks and don’t sign them and get rid of your cheerleaders while you at it. Stay Classy RC.

[DPG21920]

I don't disagree that Mills has positive value but the teams with cap space are mostly bad and once they strike out on free agents then they usually move into the "renting out cap space" portion of the summer. They become willing to acquire undesirable contracts in exchange for picks.

Mils still has 2 years left and while I have been on the record saying that the remaining money isn't all that bad (because the cap jumps far outweigh his salary increases) , I am skeptical that the Spurs will find a taker if they go looking and then there is the issue that potential impact free agents will be gone by then.

I still think that not bringing back Gay just to get $15 million in cap space is a mistake. Staying over allows for the Spurs to keep him with dipping into the MLE and the advantage of being one of few playoffs teams (that is if they make the playoffs) of having the full amount at their disposal.

Essentially they'd get to keep Gay and have $9 million as opposed to not having Gay and Mills and having $15 million.

Agreed and I said the same thing - however it would open up spots for keeping 2 firsts rounders and adding players that fit. Just food for thought.

[cd021]

The Spurs have entered free agency with zero spots before. Anyways, my point isn't that stashing is wrong or whatever; it's that you can't reliably find guys who are willing to be stashed. There's no reason to select a player who's way worse than who's available just because that player is willing to be stashed. It could work out that someone intriguing is there and is good value. But the team has to prepare for the possibility that they'll need to use the pick. They're not the only team with multiple selections that may not have enough roster spots.



You can't stretch a guy and re-sign him in the same year. You can waive a guy and bring him back. That usually happens with low-level players, like James Anderson back in the day. When that happens, you do have both figures on the books, and those figures operate independently. Like if the Spurs waived Pau and then brought him back on a min deal, they'd have the $7ish Million contract and the $2ish Million contract, and they'd only be able to trade the latter.



I'd be decently surprised. If they don't want the pick, they'll use it before then as part of a trade. In this scenario where SA also has a good second, that'll be the one they'd stash. Or they'd combine those it and the TOR pick rather than worrying about the SA first.



The entire Milutinov situation pisses me off. I do think that they had interest in bringing him over and didn't have interest anymore (at least for this season) after they traded for Poeltl. I can't say if Nikola wanting too much made them covet Poeltl over Siakam or OG (and I would break something if that got confirmed) or if having to settle on Jakob killed any incentive to cave to Milutinov. But I could see him being traded or just let go if they can't work something out. I wouldn't pay more than rookie-scale for him right now, but he can get twice that in Europe just being who he is.

-The 3rd quote from my post was actually about Militinov and how they tried to save $1.4 million before heading into free agency the year that they signed Aldridge.

-Waving Gasol for $6.7 and re-signing him to the vet minimum would be something that I would be fine with. $9 million in total is much better than the $16.8 million he would otherwise make if they would pick up his option.

With Aldridge being a full time center now, Gasol returning does create an issue of minutes in regards to Poeltl and to a lesser extent Metu. Maybe Poeltl continues to play well and makes Gasols return less likely because he would still be the cheaper option.

-I don't see Militinov taking rookie scale; he's 23 iirc, he'd hit restricted free agency by the time he is 27 or 28 while making chump change in the meantime- that assumes that he would be good enough to stick.

On the other hand, giving out around half the MLE seems to be an overpay while also squandering the Spurs best option of bringing in more talent (aside from the draft). If he doesn't come over then that is 5 years since being drafted and he may never come over. They did really screw up the that whole thing.

[FutureMan]

If the team decides to trade up in the 2019 draft will that stop the team from being able to trade a 2020 1st?

[NASpurs]

Trade up to draft Rui Hachimura

Apparently his favorite team are the Spurs :hungry:

[anon]

Apparently his favorite team are the Spurs :hungry:
Let's do this! Fire it up RC!

[r0drig0lac]

Apparently his favorite team are the Spurs :hungry:

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[SAGirl]

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[r0drig0lac]

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Valanciunas 2.0

[Spurtacular]

Trade up to draft Rui Hachimura

Good fundamentals and limited athleticism; sounds like a Spurs player.

[Thomas82]

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I personally wish we could get Bol Bol with our top pick.