Is Mills "Leadership" worth 50 million?

[JakeCuenca]

I know he barely looks like a minimum player out there, but recent words from Pop suggest he was paid due to his contribtuion in the culture. I dont know..how big of an impact is leadership?

[JeffDuncan]

Unless a player is good it isn't worth a teaspoonful of warm spit.

The pep club is a different group from the team.

We had to drop the Silver Dancers to pay a pep squad member 50 mil.

[Boomersgold]

I know he barely looks like a minimum player out there, but recent words from Pop suggest he was paid due to his contribtuion in the culture. I dont know..how big of an impact is leadership?

Averaging close to 10 points per game which is what he gave us in our championship years. Can't scapegoat him when other Spurs players have played worse

[Pavlov]

Oh, a Mills thread.

Pretty vanilla take tbh.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Averaging close to 10 points per game which is what he gave us in our championship years. Can't scapegoat him when other Spurs players have played worse

yep if patty gets 10.0 ppg he's worth his weight in OP salt

[TheGreatYacht]

Glad Kawhi left! He didn't waive his towel or take "frogging" selfies with the guys like Patty does! Who cares about getting 60+ win seasons and WCF appearances if we don't have fun and take time to learn about other cultures!

YAAAAY RC AND POP! In you guys we trust :)

[SuperCam]

:cry spurms might win 41 games this year, do you know how hard that is in the western conference :cry

[JeffDuncan]

When Leonard was here and playing, we were supposed to think he was the new Tim Duncan.

Now that Leonard is gone, Pop would have us believe Patty Mills is the new Tim Duncan.

The word crazy is too mild a term for it.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:lol That's really fucken disheartening to hear. Current state of spurs affairs where patty mills is looked at as a franchise cornerstone.

[Kawhi_6rings]

Glad Kawhi left! He didn't waive his towel or take "frogging" selfies with the guys like Patty does! Who cares about getting 60+ win seasons and WCF appearances if we don't have fun and take time to learn about other cultures!

YAAAAY RC AND POP! In you guys we trust :)
glassmen is soft
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4826/44239393730_66b6fde06c.jpg

[NASpurs]

:lol That's really fucken disheartening to hear. Current state of spurs affairs where patty mills is looked at as a franchise cornerstone.

People who think Mills is ever going to get traded is in for a rude awakening. :lol This guy is going to get multiple loyalty contracts.

This is what Pop said:

"He's like our inspiration, he's an ultimate warrior, gives everything he's got all the time," Popovich said of Mills on Saturday, via CBS Sports (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/spurs-gregg-popovich-on-kawhi-leonard-he-was-a-great-player-but-he-wasnt-a-leader-or-anything/). "He feels responsible to everybody, he's always pumping everybody else up. He's just a wonderful teammate and a huge part of our program."

https://247sports.com/nba/san-antoni...on--125315456/ (https://247sports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/Article/Gregg-Popovich-says-Patty-Mills-is-the-San-Antonio-Spurs-inspiration--125315456/)

Basically a $50 mil contract to be the team's mascot fluffer :lmao

[SpursDynasty85]

I've been very harsh on this contract but taking a second look, it was a fair deal. On pure play this contract is slightly overpaid but when considering the lasting ramifications and how much of a team guy he is, he makes up for it. The Pau Gasol deal on the other hand is about 8M-10M/yr overpaid. Mills has picked it up as of late. He is playing purpose and is being a leader. Too bad he has to play with Forbes and Belli. Offensively sound, defensively impaired.

[John B]

Mills is a SG and not a facilitator. Spurs have been very good playing their roles. But with injuries, he’s forced to play outside of that comfort zone, and without help defense, exposed his weakness further. He’s a great shooter and could score in bunches with good talents around him. I’d pay him for that.

[ElNono]

Not my money...

[therealtruth]

I doubt Mills would have gotten 50m elsewhere for his leadership. The Spurs bid against themselves.

[r0drig0lac]

People who think Mills is ever going to get traded is in for a rude awakening. :lol This guy is going to get multiple loyalty contracts.

This is what Pop said:

"He's like our inspiration, he's an ultimate warrior, gives everything he's got all the time," Popovich said of Mills on Saturday, via CBS Sports (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/spurs-gregg-popovich-on-kawhi-leonard-he-was-a-great-player-but-he-wasnt-a-leader-or-anything/). "He feels responsible to everybody, he's always pumping everybody else up. He's just a wonderful teammate and a huge part of our program."

https://247sports.com/nba/san-antoni...on--125315456/ (https://247sports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/Article/Gregg-Popovich-says-Patty-Mills-is-the-San-Antonio-Spurs-inspiration--125315456/)

Basically a $50 mil contract to be the team's mascot fluffer :lmao
:lol



I've been very harsh on this contract but taking a second look, it was a fair deal. On pure play this contract is slightly overpaid but when considering the lasting ramifications and how much of a team guy he is, he makes up for it. The Pau Gasol deal on the other hand is about 8M-10M/yr overpaid. Mills has picked it up as of late. He is playing purpose and is being a leader. Too bad he has to play with Forbes and Belli. Offensively sound, defensively impaired.

the problem with Gasol's contract was (besides obviously having a new contract) the third year partially guaranteed imo

[Brazil]

:cry those towels won’t wave alone bro :cry

[Namundy]

There are bigger problems than Patty Mills' contract.

[duncan2k5]

I've been very harsh on this contract but taking a second look, it was a fair deal. On pure play this contract is slightly overpaid but when considering the lasting ramifications and how much of a team guy he is, he makes up for it. The Pau Gasol deal on the other hand is about 8M-10M/yr overpaid. Mills has picked it up as of late. He is playing purpose and is being a leader. Too bad he has to play with Forbes and Belli. Offensively sound, defensively impaired.

Well by a third look... Players aren't stupid... They see Patty Mills as dead weight just like we do... And they see Pop giving big contracts to old guys... They will be turned away because these guys want to play with good players... No one wants to play with patty freaking Mills getting significant minutes for years of their career

[TDMVPDPOY]

ask HEB, he has more lines then the other player in the commercials

fck him...

[Floyd Pacquiao]

People who think Mills is ever going to get traded is in for a rude awakening. :lol This guy is going to get multiple loyalty contracts.

This is what Pop said:

"He's like our inspiration, he's an ultimate warrior, gives everything he's got all the time," Popovich said of Mills on Saturday, via CBS Sports (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/spurs-gregg-popovich-on-kawhi-leonard-he-was-a-great-player-but-he-wasnt-a-leader-or-anything/). "He feels responsible to everybody, he's always pumping everybody else up. He's just a wonderful teammate and a huge part of our program."

https://247sports.com/nba/san-antoni...on--125315456/ (https://247sports.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/Article/Gregg-Popovich-says-Patty-Mills-is-the-San-Antonio-Spurs-inspiration--125315456/)

Basically a $50 mil contract to be the team's mascot fluffer :lmao

:lol his number will be hanging from the rafters for sure

[Dex]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKIPbNb1vWdftiVLq/giphy.gif

What a novel idea for a thread.

I don't think this topic has ever been discussed before.

[benfti]

Shit take tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKIPbNb1vWdftiVLq/giphy.gif

What a novel idea for a thread.

I don't think this topic has ever been discussed before.
Its a valid thread considering Pop's salty comments this week. Sorry if OP offended you

[Dex]

Its a valid thread considering Pop's salty comments this week. Sorry if OP offended you

Pop's said shit like this before. It was discussed ad nauseum then, and I'm sure it will be discussed ad nauseum the next time Pop praises Mills.

There is nothing new or interesting about this thread. It's just another soapbox for people to bitch about Mills and his contract for the fifteen millionth time.

For the record, I don't like it either, but goddamn am I tired of hearing people bitch about it.

[benfti]

People use 50 million like he’s on a max, it’s like 12 a year, that’s fuck all when the team was going to go through a vacuum. If he gets 10ppg and keeps the team up, then that’s good money.

pretty sure any member on the team would bitch slap anyone for suggesting otherewise.

[benfti]

Amen, especially when they like shit rappers also, x was trash

[bic50]

Glad Kawhi left! He didn't waive his towel or take "frogging" selfies with the guys like Patty does! Who cares about getting 60+ win seasons and WCF appearances if we don't have fun and take time to learn about other cultures!

YAAAAY RC AND POP! In you guys we trust :)
:rollin

[bic50]

glassmen is soft
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4826/44239393730_66b6fde06c.jpg
You know this was in the wcf right? Kawhi top 3 candidate for MVP. Where's pattys "leadership" getting us today?

[BillMc]

There are bigger problems than Patty Mills' contract.

1. Global Warming

2. Nuclear Proliferation

3. Patty Mills contract.

[r0drig0lac]

1. Global Warming

2. Nuclear Proliferation

3. Patty Mills contract.

2 and 3 are interchangeable imo.

[8FOR!3]

I think Patty is having his best season in a while. Gasol was also decent before he got hurt.

[BillMc]

2 and 3 are interchangeable imo.
:lol

[bic50]

People use 50 million like he’s on a max, it’s like 12 a year, that’s fuck all when the team was going to go through a vacuum. If he gets 10ppg and keeps the team up, then that’s good money.

pretty sure any member on the team would bitch slap anyone for suggesting otherewise.
Keeping the team up in what way?

[DPG21920]

Keeping the team up in what way?

Whether people want to believe this or not, in sports leaders do matter. There is obviously a point where that does not trump talent, but look at teams like the Wizards that have no leader. All the top paid talent and cant put anything together.

Mills definitely builds bonds with guys, keeps morale high and when the team is going through slumps that type of thing can help them at least not lash out like you see in Washington or on other teams.

[TheGreatYacht]

Whether people want to believe this or not, in sports leaders do matter. There is obviously a point where that does not trump talent, but look at teams like the Wizards that have no leader. All the top paid talent and cant put anything together.

Mills definitely builds bonds with guys, keeps morale high and when the team is going through slumps that type of thing can help them at least not lash out like you see in Washington or on other teams.
Both Aldridge and Kawhi have requested trades within the last two years. Shows what kind of leader that fucking scrub is.

[DPG21920]

Both Aldridge and Kawhi have requested trades within the last two years. Shows what kind of leader that fucking scrub is.

Leaders don’t prevent every bad thing from happening. I’m no Mills fan, but he’s a fine leader in the context provided. But he doesn’t hold sway over any star in the league.

[TheGreatYacht]

Leaders don’t prevent every bad thing from happening. I’m no Mills fan, but he’s a fine leader in the context provided. But he doesn’t hold sway over any star in the league.
It really shows your commitment to winning when the guy you're paying to lead is an unplayable cancer and one of the worst defenders this league has ever seen.

It's okay to be below .500, as long as the "culture" is there. Right?

[r0drig0lac]

Whether people want to believe this or not, in sports leaders do matter. There is obviously a point where that does not trump talent, but look at teams like the Wizards that have no leader. All the top paid talent and cant put anything together.

Mills definitely builds bonds with guys, keeps morale high and when the team is going through slumps that type of thing can help them at least not lash out like you see in Washington or on other teams.

we are at this point now, in fact Murray seems to be the leader of this team

[hater]

Fatty will lead us directly to the NBA lottery

Charge!

[DPG21920]

It really shows your commitment to winning when the guy you're paying to lead is an unplayable cancer and one of the worst defenders this league has ever seen.

It's okay to be below .500, as long as the "culture" is there. Right?

Surprisingly enough, Mills has been a net positive for the year overall with his strong play as of late. Started out bad, but played pretty well. He has not been the problem. Beli sucks really bad though.

But at the end of the day, SA needs LMA/DeMar to play all-star caliber.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi is such a bad leader that the second he got taken out against the Warriors, the team blew a 15+ point lead in a matter of 3 minutes. It's almost like, don't freak out on me, the leader of the god damn team went down and everyone was running around like headless chicken. Do the Spurs end up with a worse record if Patty is deported to Australia? No, and if you think otherwise you are delusional.

Crater face can try and save face on why he handed Mills that contract, but we all know his shot at Kawhi is bullshit and it reeks of saltiness. HE was the one that fluffed him up as the next Duncan. HE was the one that said two years ago other stars don't go all out on both sides like Kawhi does. If Kawhi was still a Spur those comments would've never blurted out of his mouth. He's butthurt and he knows it.

[JeffDuncan]

Mills is okay for what he really is. He's a backup shooting guard, and a 3 pt specialist, for use in limited minutes, in certain situations, where you can tolerate what he gives up defensively. I don't keep up with contract prices for the NBA in general, but maybe he'd be worth 5 or 6 million on a one year contract, with possibly some sort of option. When the team dropped him, as it inevitably would, he'd rattle around a little, and end up in China.

That's all Mills really is, and players like that are never ordinarily seen as team leaders. They are hangers-on. The fact that Pop would call such a player a leader means the team is seriously dysfunctional, or there's something else going on.

[DPG21920]

Kawhi is such a bad leader that the second he got taken out against the Warriors, the team blew a 15+ point lead in a matter of 3 minutes. It's almost like, don't freak out on me, the leader of the god damn team went down and everyone was running around like headless chicken. Do the Spurs end up with a worse record if Patty is deported to Australia? No, and if you think otherwise you are delusional.

Crater face can try and save face on why he handed Mills that contract, but we all know his shot at Kawhi is bullshit and it reeks of saltiness. HE was the one that fluffed him up as the next Duncan. HE was the one that said two years ago other stars don't go all out on both sides like Kawhi does. If Kawhi was still a Spur those comments would've never blurted out of his mouth. He's butthurt and he knows it.

You are purposely being obtuse to the point.

[TheGreatYacht]

You are purposely being obtuse to the point.
Nice deflection.

[TheGreatYacht]

Mills is okay for what he really is. He's a backup shooting guard, and a 3 pt specialist, for use in limited minutes, in certain situations, where you can tolerate what he gives up defensively. I don't keep up with contract prices for the NBA in general, but maybe he'd be worth 5 or 6 million on a one year contract, with possibly some sort of option. When the team dropped him, as it inevitably would, he'd rattle around a little, and end up in China.

That's all Mills really is, and players like that are never ordinarily seen as team leaders. They are hangers-on. The fact that Pop would call such a player a leader means the team is seriously dysfunctional, or there's something else going on.
Great point. Pop's recent delusional comments just reassure us that they have stopped caring about winning and just want to collect paychecks and avoid locker room drama. The Spurs are no different than the Mavs now. JJ Barea is their Patty Mills.

Pop doesn't give one shit. He doesn't berate refs anymore. He doesn't bench players like Forbes and Beli when they chuck the dumbest of shots like he did a decade ago. He lets Aldridge play his inefficient style. He doesn't adjust to modern 3-pt basketball. It's paycheck collecting time now that generational talents like Duncan and Kawhi are no longer here to carry his mediocre built rosters.

[BD24]

Oh, a Mills thread.

Pretty vanilla take tbh.
Done deal tbh

[bic50]

Kawhi is such a bad leader that the second he got taken out against the Warriors, the team blew a 15+ point lead in a matter of 3 minutes. It's almost like, don't freak out on me, the leader of the god damn team went down and everyone was running around like headless chicken. Do the Spurs end up with a worse record if Patty is deported to Australia? No, and if you think otherwise you are delusional.

Crater face can try and save face on why he handed Mills that contract, but we all know his shot at Kawhi is bullshit and it reeks of saltiness. HE was the one that fluffed him up as the next Duncan. HE was the one that said two years ago other stars don't go all out on both sides like Kawhi does. If Kawhi was still a Spur those comments would've never blurted out of his mouth. He's butthurt and he knows it.
Things didn't go as planned. Kawhi was supposed to fail away from Pop. Didn't happen so gotta throw some shade

[TheGreatYacht]

Things didn't go as planned. Kawhi was supposed to fail away from Pop. Didn't happen so gotta throw some shade
"System player" or "damaged goods" succeeding away from the plantation with a rookie head coach. Who would've thought. Gotta stop that MVP case At. All. Costs.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Nope. We can only pray that his play is worth it :cry

[DPG21920]

Things didn't go as planned. Kawhi was supposed to fail away from Pop. Didn't happen so gotta throw some shade

This is hilarious because for a way of life Kawhi didn’t appreciate, TOR seems to be using the Spurs play book on keeping him fresh/healthy as possible an awful lot. Sitting him out B2B, rest games, managing minutes, etc..

[TDMVPDPOY]

pattys 50m contract = kirbys last 4yrs max extension loyalty rewards contract....

at leasts the fakers got 4 lottery picks which turn out to be draft busts

patty and pau combined havnt combined the spurs at leasts a lottery pick... they are not leaders for the tank season

[Kawhitstorm]

Glad Kawhi left! He didn't waive his towel or take "frogging" selfies with the guys like Patty does! Who cares about getting 60+ win seasons and WCF appearances if we don't have fun and take time to learn about other cultures!


:pop:: I collect paychecks from a Trump supporter & talk down to everyone but I'm socially conscious #WOKE

[Kawhi_6rings]

You know this was in the wcf right? Kawhi top 3 candidate for MVP. Where's pattys "leadership" getting us today?
his leadership getting overhyped,he never made his teammates better,even if zaza didn't hurt,he will out the series soon with his glasses body,sorry:eyebrows

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

It’s nice when the locker room leader is also the on-court leader. Spurs lost all of that remaining magic with the departure of Manu and Parker. I see this becoming DeMar’s team if the Spurs decide to build around him. We’ll see who the players rally around. That’s the sign of who the real leader is on any team. Lots of guys talk like alphas but have no respect from their teammates. We’ll see how this group evolves.

Patty’s good for this transition of the brand, probably not the long-term leader of the squad. If so, the Spurs are probably destined for middle of the pack finishes for the foreseeable future.

[benfti]

You are purposely being obtuse to the point.
No, he is purposely being a fuckwit

[Drom John]

Yes and no, according to Five-Thirty-Eight, ignoring leadership.

By the Carmelo projections, Mills was worth $21.0M in 2018.
They project Mills to be worth $10.6M in 2019 [this year], $10.3M in 2020 and $6.4M in 2021. That's $27.3M for the last three years on Patty's $37.3M contract.
But that's $58.3M for Patty's four year contract.

So far, by this season's Real Plus Minus Value Added:
Patty Mills is #115 [mid 4th man]

Omar Asik has the #115 highest salary in the NBA at $11,286,516.
Patty Mills has the #111 highest salary in the NBA at $11,571,429.

And those are the tangibles.

[duncan2k5]

Whether people want to believe this or not, in sports leaders do matter. There is obviously a point where that does not trump talent, but look at teams like the Wizards that have no leader. All the top paid talent and cant put anything together.

Mills definitely builds bonds with guys, keeps morale high and when the team is going through slumps that type of thing can help them at least not lash out like you see in Washington or on other teams.

Do patty mills on the wizards would suddenly make them good?

[bklynspursfan]

Do patty mills on the wizards would suddenly make them good?

Maybe, maybe not... But he would help in other areas for sure. Off the court, communication, locker room/camaraderie, etc...

[UncleDennis]

Probably not but maybe the case could be made that with all the recent big time departures they felt they needed at least one player who had a few years in the system stick around. The Pau thing they got burned since they had a handshake agreement and didn't want to renege but paying a Laker loyalties sure seems like a shitshow.

Again there's been a clustering of issues this season that really highlight his inadequacies but money-wise I'm unsure what would dictate a fair contract to him, I figured this team would probably be better off with someone like Avery Bradley with how bad the defense has been but not hearing much about him in the last year or so I go and check on him and if he's not injured, he seems to be making pretty good money not really playing any better. Maybe its not fair since he hasn't played much and coming off injury and all.

So realistically getting rid of him who are the targets to get back understanding Pop's goal is to remain competitive in the now and not in some tank/rebuild process.

[DAF86]

The Closer has been low key playing pretty damn well for a while now.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Mills contract looks cheaper by the day with some of the inflated new contracts signed the last two years.

[timvp]

The Closer has been low key playing pretty damn well for a while now.

True. It's narrative busting but after a terrible start to the season Mills has been a top flight backup point guard for the last 15 games or so.

[DPG21920]

True. It's narrative busting but after a terrible start to the season Mills has been a top flight backup point guard for the last 15 games or so.

Yup. Mills had a negative season PP/100 all season but his play recently has been so strong that he’s actually a net +10 while on the court PP/100

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Charlotte is 10-7 in games TP has played ...

[MultiTroll]

How many backup pg's are getting 50 for 5?

[NASpurs]

Sarcastic bump

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[RC_Drunkford]

50 million leadership contract

[pad300]

True. It's narrative busting but after a terrible start to the season Mills has been a top flight backup point guard for the last 15 games or so.

Mills has been playing much better, yes, but I am still of the opinion he is a backup PG, not a starter. A backup should not be getting $12.5 Million annually.

[NASpurs]

:rollin I'm convinced they're fucking with us. It's a meme now.

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[EasyMoney]

I haven't minded Patty at all this season. Of course, his defense is infuriating. I wish pop will bite the bullet and make a trade, because the defense is only going to get worse once players start to rest.

[RD2191]

:rollin I'm convinced they're fucking with us. It's a meme now.

1074727246101917698

:lol I'm done with these bums

[tenbeersbold]

Hell no!
But Pop is complacent now,he'd rather be the SJW/Moral conscious kinda guy

Hence 1st female coach,1st aboriginal player etc,regardless if anyone is actually good at what they do
He likes Pau cause they can talk wine and opera etc,on and on

He's always tilted at windmills his whole coaching career but TD21 covered up a lot flaws that are now laid bare
KL wasn't going to bring us another 'ship,TD is gone,until Spurs luck /tank into another generational talent again its gonna be a LONG cold winter