So can we come up with list of players PATFO can trade for that might actually benefit the team?

[JakeCuenca]

Theres not a whole lot of teams that want anything from San Antonio. Its going to have to be a combination of struggling team trying to make the playoff plus struggling player.

December should open up trade options for San Antonio.

- Barton probably has a reduced role now in denver once he returns. Spurs do need someone other than Derozan that can slice the defense to free up shooters. He has 4 more years on his contract at 11 million though.

- Crowder is shooting 38% and 29% from three right now but he had a three year run averaging 35% from three and can certainly help fix some defensive issues

- Maybe Cleveland is dumb enough to trade Osman

Who else?

[JakeCuenca]

Well just realized Utah got korver now so Crowder is almost out of the question. Man it just seems like the players san Antonio need are alll impossible to get.

I think TD21 was talking about dotson.

[wolf754life]

Becky Hammon

[JeffDuncan]

Bump. But I'm baffled at the moment. The team is soooo bad. We need almost everything.

One DDR type player is enough, I would say. Midrange shooting guard, and driver.

Negative on any surgery cases like Barton. Nobody on a current injury list, unless it's definitely minor.

[JakeCuenca]

Bump. But I'm baffled at the moment. The team is soooo bad. We need almost everything.

One DDR type player is enough, I would say. Midrange shooting guard, and driver.

Negative on any surgery cases like Barton. Nobody on a current injury list, unless it's definitely minor.

I only put barton because the spurs have piss poor assests.

The raps took a shot at Kawhi and Kawhi looks good.

[therealtruth]

Maybe try to get Fultz. He's probably available for cheap and might just need a change of scenery.

[JeffDuncan]

I only put barton because the spurs have piss poor assests.

...

Well yes. That is definitely a good point. And I like Barton's stats this year. Has he really improved that much shooting 3s? But hip surgery, it worries me.

[JeffDuncan]

Maybe try to get Fultz. He's probably available for cheap and might just need a change of scenery.

I'd be open to that. His shooting may be screwed up, either by injury or the yips, but if he can play some D, handle the ball, and still drive and hit a dunk, he'd be better than some of what we've got.

[Play Boban]

Boban Marjanovic.

[alpha_HaZE]

LA is probably our best trading asset, if anyone wants him, I am having my fingers crossed that Portland calls and offer something good in return.

[sasaint]

I'd be open to that. His shooting may be screwed up, either by injury or the yips, but if he can play some D, handle the ball, and still drive and hit a dunk, he'd be better than some of what we've got.

No. He is a bust who cannot shoot. This team needs some legit shooters not projects. We have a roster full of projects.

[vander]

LA is probably our best trading asset, if anyone wants him, I am having my fingers crossed that Portland calls and offer something good in return.

he only has 7 mil guaranteed in 20-21 right? that's the only trade value he has

[JeffDuncan]

No. He is a bust who cannot shoot. This team needs some legit shooters not projects. We have a roster full of projects.

Shooters who can defend, that is. I think we might agree, we've seen enough of "pure shooters."

But with the team's trade stock seeming to drop with every game, how do we get decent players who don't carry some kind of risk? Can we afford anything better?

I don't want to give up draft picks now.

[sasaint]

Shooters who can defend, that is. I think we might agree, we've seen enough of "pure shooters."

But with the team's trade stock seeming to drop with every game, how do we get decent players who don't carry some kind of risk? Can we afford anything better?

I don't want to give up draft picks now.

If you don't want to give up draft picks, you tank. If you want to begin to forge a roster that can compete in the modern NBA, then you move LMA who has lost value, but is still our second best asset. His value will only continue to decline; the time to move him is now. You should be able to get a decent asset in return.

[JeffDuncan]

If you don't want to give up draft picks, you tank. If you want to begin to forge a roster that can compete in the modern NBA, then you move LMA who has lost value, but is still our second best asset. His value will only continue to decline; the time to move him is now. You should be able to get a decent asset in return.

Trade LMA agreed. We know he isn't happy here, anyway. But I wouldn't demand a good player in return. I'd demand a serviceable player and the best draft pick I could get.

I'm tanking. I want draft picks, lots of them. I've had a bellyfull of the "old veteran" crap. I'm going young.

If I ruled the world.

Thinking more about it, things are at the point I'd trade DDR, too. He isn't happy with this mess. How could he be? Nobody is. I'd say to him, "my man, I know you expected better with the Spurs, but this has turned into an awful mess, for which I apologize. Would you like to try someplace else where you can better display your talent, and not be embarrassed on a nightly basis?" Would he say no? Again, I'd trade him for a serviceable player, and the best draft pick I could get.

If I ruled the world.

I'd trade Gay, if there's a decent draft pick to be had, and a warm body that's still moving.

I'd trade everything movable for a warm body and a draft pick.

If I'm gonna tank, then I'm gonna TANK! Big time. No half measures.

Then I'd go into draft night with a pocket bulging with draft picks. Not necessarily to use them all directly, but ready to wheel and deal with trades, as well. I'd have a couple guiding principles: no interest whatsoever in any player older than 28, or shorter than 6'3" (and I'd carry my own tape measure to be sure.) And I could be talked into 27, and 6'4".

Piss on "veteran leadership" that can't even make it through 1/4 of the season without breaking down. Piss on "loyalty contracts." Piss on "leadership" that looks like it escaped from the cast of Game of Thrones. I've had it with that crap.

Team leadership is what coaches are for.

Much more could be said, but that's what I'd do, looking toward the next draft. If I ruled the world.

[gospursgojas]

Defense. Spurs should look no where else but for defense.

The knicks guy is supposedly a stopper but don’t nothing about him. Don’t think even the knicks want anything spurs got.

Patrick Beverly?
How hurt are Avery Beverly and Andre Roberson?
Call up Orl about J Sims.

[horseshue]

Bertans for Fultz maybe? 6ers are realy lacking shooters since they traded away Covington and Saric. Might be interested.

[r0drig0lac]

shumpert
jonathon simmons
quincy miller
shabazz muhammad

bringing some hardness and athleticism to the perimeter would already make this team look completely different on the court

[sasaint]

Trade LMA agreed. We know he isn't happy here, anyway. But I wouldn't demand a good player in return. I'd demand a serviceable player and the best draft pick I could get.

I'm tanking. I want draft picks, lots of them. I've had a bellyfull of the "old veteran" crap. I'm going young.

If I ruled the world.

Thinking more about it, things are at the point I'd trade DDR, too. He isn't happy with this mess. How could he be? Nobody is. I'd say to him, "my man, I know you expected better with the Spurs, but this has turned into an awful mess, for which I apologize. Would you like to try someplace else where you can better display your talent, and not be embarrassed on a nightly basis?" Would he say no? Again, I'd trade him for a serviceable player, and the best draft pick I could get.

If I ruled the world.

I'd trade Gay, if there's a decent draft pick to be had, and a warm body that's still moving.

I'd trade everything movable for a warm body and a draft pick.

If I'm gonna tank, then I'm gonna TANK! Big time. No half measures.

Then I'd go into draft night with a pocket bulging with draft picks. Not necessarily to use them all directly, but ready to wheel and deal with trades, as well. I'd have a couple guiding principles: no interest whatsoever in any player older than 28, or shorter than 6'3" (and I'd carry my own tape measure to be sure.) And I could be talked into 27, and 6'4".

Piss on "veteran leadership" that can't even make it through 1/4 of the season without breaking down. Piss on "loyalty contracts." Piss on "leadership" that looks like it escaped from the cast of Game of Thrones. I've had it with that crap.

Team leadership is what coaches are for.

Much more could be said, but that's what I'd do, looking toward the next draft. If I ruled the world.

Or at least if you ruled the Spurs... If I were your co-ruler, I would be on the fence about DeMar and Rudy. However, I admit that when I indulge my fantasies on the trade machine, I usually try trades for LMA/Patty and for Pau/DeMar. :lol

[MultiTroll]

Could PATFO be included in the trade?

Surely one of, if not the GCOAT would garner plenty in a trade. Right?
I mean if Coc Rivers to the Clippers got the Celtics a 1st Rounder, CIA Pop would get what, 4 1st Round picks!?

LMA could then return to being the featured shooter on his new Pop team.
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/25/celtics-announce-trade-of-doc-rivers-to-clippers/

[RC_Drunkford]

Ariza or Demarre Carrol I'd say. I mean there should be a lot of activity after december 15th, so maybe the Spurs can pull off some type of 3-team trade. They could certainly trade Gasol to teams who want to free up cap space next season

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

A couple of 3&D players would be nice. Danny Green maybe, or perhaps even a Kyle Anderson, even though he's limited offensively and not the quickest on D. If we had a couple of guys like that this team would be a lot better.

[sasaint]

A couple of 3&D players would be nice. Danny Green maybe, or perhaps even a Kyle Anderson, even though he's limited offensively and not the quickest on D. If we had a couple of guys like that this team would be a lot better.

:tu :lol

[sasaint]

Before a list of "desirables" would be of any use, we need a list of "tradeables", and ST could never agree on that.

[TheGreatYacht]

Tony Parker

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Before a list of "desirables" would be of any use, we need a list of "tradeables", and ST could never agree on that.

It's almost more a question of who would other teams want. Pau's expiring may have been our most tradeable asset, and he couldn't even get that right by going and breaking his foot. A true team player would have hidden that injury until we traded him.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Taking on more contracts isn't the answer. We need to go young like Phoenix but actually install good fundamentals into the youth instead of the crap bball Phoenix plays

[jermaine]

Rodney Hood, JR. Smith has something to prove.

[r0drig0lac]

A couple of 3&D players would be nice. Danny Green maybe, or perhaps even a Kyle Anderson, even though he's limited offensively and not the quickest on D. If we had a couple of guys like that this team would be a lot better.

[Immortal Spur]

Larry Nance Jr.

[sasaint]

Rodney Hood, JR. Smith has something to prove.

JR would have to prove he isn't a total airhead before I would want him.

[sasaint]

Larry Nance Jr.

I like him, although he doesn't really fill our most glaring need - a 3&D SF.

[Immortal Spur]

I like him, although he doesn't really fill our most glaring need - a 3&D SF.
Our most glaring need is two way role players to surround DD and LMA. We have plenty of wings. Nance is a rare combo forward that can guard both positions. He's got the same skill set as Dante but lightyears better.

All in all your right though. I was gonna post Sam Dekker or Rodney Hood with Larry but that would take some work. I think if we are indeed gonna trade a first we should try to get as much as possible for it. Cleveland is the perfect trade partner. They are really bad and are stacked with players we could use since Lebron was the lone star and they surrounded him with role players.

But i think the teams biggest problem as constructed is that we have too many one dimensional players. In todays league that just doesn't cut it.

[MoSpur02]

We need a legit PG and a 3 & D. Our PGs are undersized shooting guards. I think Ty Lawson would be an upgrade over Forbes, Mills, and White as a starting point guard. I think Corery Brewer is an upgrade over Cunningham.

[TheGreatYacht]

If I'm the Spurs I trade Bertans, Cunningham, and the Toronto pick for MKG as soon those two are tradeable tbh.. Charlotte has a lot of wings in Batum, MKG, Bridges, Monk, Lamb, Bacon that need playing time. MKG is the best defender out that group. Bridges would be my first choice but he's untouchable.

[JakeCuenca]

MKG is a beast defensively. But that shot :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

MKG is a beast defensively. But that shot :lol
:lol

If we're 29th in 3PA, might as well get dudes that can find other ways to score and are elite defenders

[TimDunkem]

They like what they have and will do nothing. If worst comes to worst they'll blame this shit show on injuries and roster changes, then draft whoever has the biggest forehead.

Fucking book it.

[Maddog]

So can we come up with list of players PATFO can trade for that might actually benefit the team?


We can come up with a list, but should PATFO trade for anyone that might benefit the team?

[tbdog]

Bertans or beli should be shopped when they are available to be traded. Both should fetch something of need. Shooters are liked by contending teams. Most playoff teams would want them. Trading both would mean the spurs are in the same situation as last season of not enough shooters.

[objective]

I don't think they could get anything for Marco, especially as he's shooting 32% from 3 at the age of 32. The days of teams giving something up for him are over now that he's been ran through by a third of the league

[mo7888]

Bertans or beli should be shopped when they are available to be traded. Both should fetch something of need. Shooters are liked by contending teams. Most playoff teams would want them. Trading both would mean the spurs are in the same situation as last season of not enough shooters.

Both for korkmaz(sp?) And Chandler might work. At least I can see Philly doing that to accumulate shooters if the salaries work.

[r0drig0lac]

Both for korkmaz(sp?) And Chandler might work. At least I can see Philly doing that to accumulate shooters if the salaries work.

76ers lost Saric and RoCo (for good reason obviously), I do not think they're willing to trade Chandler

[Nivek_ogre]

Seeing as this is a transitional year the spurs should build for the future. Play the young guys as much as you can(walker, white, metu, bertans, poetel)and give aldridge the kevin love treatment and sit him for an extended time. List him in injury report for a heart ailment, lack of interest or whatever. But the truth is without future player development and draft picks the team has flatlined.

[cd021]

Bertans for Fultz maybe? 6ers are realy lacking shooters since they traded away Covington and Saric. Might be interested.

Spurs lose their best shooter and to add another guard who struggles to defend bit also can't shoot because of shoulder issues?

[cd021]

Larry Nance Jr.

He's an athletic big but can't shoot or really defend and is on a bad contract. Doesn't make sense- so PATFO may be interested :lol

[cd021]

Bertans or beli should be shopped when they are available to be traded. Both should fetch something of need. Shooters are liked by contending teams. Most playoff teams would want them. Trading both would mean the spurs are in the same situation as last season of not enough shooters.

I wouldn't actively shop Bertans, he's played well. Beli on the other hand needs to driven to the airport.

[alpha_HaZE]

he only has 7 mil guaranteed in 20-21 right? that's the only trade value he has

lol, probably. I hope Portland wants him back.

[Dancelot]

If we could pull off a kawhi & green for Derozan, poeltl swap, that’d be sweet. We could even throw in a protected 1st. Dont think Toronto is that dumb though.

[Coach X]

Spurs need DEFENSE not offense.

Agree with Immortal Spur, there are too many one-dimensional players:
- Forbes, Marco, Bertans are just shooters. Mills is considered something else and not tradeable but the trio can't play defense. Marco is not hitting a shot and Bertans is overpaid currently so Forbes is the only interesting player in the market.
- Cunningham is not enough good in D to be considered a specialist but not good enough in O to consider his game balanced. He's cheap though.
- Gasol is NOT an expiring contract. He has $7Mill guaranteed for the next season. He's a 38 years old, 7' Center with an ugly injury and a bad contract. Similar situation than Patty to PATFO, he won't be traded.
- Toronto's draft pick will be 25th or worst and can be used in a trade. Spurs' draft pick has to be retained.
- Gay, Aldridge and DeRozan have a higher value for Spurs than they have in the market. Moreover, Popovich doesn't tank. Same with Poetl, White, Walker, Metu... Spurs will keep them.

I don't expect big moves, I can't see how. Can Spurs find a team interested in the few things they have to offer? Can Spurs find in that team a too old/too young 3&D (can't aspire to a good one) or a physical PF-C with a low value in the market who can help team defense without hurting offense too much? It's not an easy task but if they manage to make this kind of move the team would improve significantly.