Spurs interested in making move for Bradley Beal

[Amuseddaysleeper]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2808352-wizards-hurtling-toward-wall-beal-breakup-if-dysfunction-continues


Minnesota and San Antonio are two teams that one of the rival execs said would be interested in discussing a trade for Beal. For the Timberwolves, he would serve as a replacement for Jimmy Butler. For the Spurs, he would provide more scoring punch and a three-point-shooting threat—though such a move would necessitate moving DeMar DeRozan to the 3 or playing them in the backcourt together at times without a true point guard.

Gregg Popovich and R.C. Buford don't make panic moves. But given the Spurs' recent struggles, they are expected to be one of the teams that most closely monitors the Wizards mess to see if it's fixable—or not.

[NASpurs]

lmao either I totally misread this or the subject was changed, sorry. I’ll see myself out :lol Totally read it as Avery Bradley

[rasuo214]

What would the Wizards even be interested in? If they could pull off a miracle LMA 4 Beal trade that would be great. Shit I'd dump Aldridge even for Porter + Oubre.

[TDomination]

What would be better? to try and get Beal or Porter?

I feel Porter fills what we need but Beal is the all around better player. And obviously who knows what it would take to get either of them. But i'm all in for whatever. We desperately need some change here.

[313]

What do we give up for him? LMA is our only half competent big, trading him for a SG would be questionable.

Pau, Jakob, ??

[313]

We could’ve just not traded Danny Green lol

[YGWHI]

What would be better? to try and get Beal or Porter?

Good question. This team needs more a wing with Porter's size but I've watched him play this season and he seems too much overrated.

[mo7888]

What would be better? to try and get Beal or Porter?

I feel Porter fills what we need but Beal is the all around better player. And obviously who knows what it would take to get either of them. But i'm all in for whatever. We desperately need some change here.

I'm a little torn as well. Porter better fit vs Beal better player. Either way, I'm in for a change too.

The bigger question for me is, do we make a trade to improve the team or do we try and put something together to shed salary and get young guys back. This morning it's reported that NY is questioning it's draft choices of Nitklina (sp?) and Knox. I'd be just as happy to try and put something together around Pau and Gay and take back bad salary if I could add a guy like Knox and Nitklina. Just pick a direction and do something soon..

[Chucho]

Shedding salary for young players is just too risky unless the kids are proven blue chippers and those teams that have those few players aren't letting go of them on those rookie deals.

If you want to compete, the NBA is the MLB now. Load your payroll up with stars and that's the only way you're going to contend. Get used to what we've watched the last 3-4 years- NBA seasons where one 2-4 teams are the only contenders.

[DAF86]

What do we give up for him? LMA is our only half competent big, trading him for a SG would be questionable.

Pau, Jakob, ??

Whatever the Wizards ask for. If you can get him for Pau and/or Mills, excellent. If not, I have no problem giving up whoever of Aldridge or DeRozan, tbh.

[SpurPadre]

We could’ve just not traded Danny Green lol

That's all Miss "I need a 50th opinion to make sure my quad is fine" Leonard's fault, tbh.

[Texas_Ranger]

trade aldridge for him and lets look like the Blazers with Derozan and Beal. omg, who wouldn't love that.

[Immortal Spur]

how far off from a deal would Walker, Pau, Bertans or Belinelli + 3 Picks (Our Two Firsts + Second) for Beal and Green be? Salary is close. Pau could get them cap relief...Young player w upside in Walker and Filler Bertans... would have to showcase Walker and he’d have to show something. Our first would be unprotected.

Is this sounding like a brainwashed homer or is there something to a deal centered around this? I just don’t know what we can realistically offer.

[mo7888]

I also wonder where Porter's value is on the market? Can a package of LMA, Pau, Cun, and Gay + picks get us Beal and Porter?

It would certainly shake things up for both teams and shed salary for Washington? Then maybe pick up a a cheap big or G-league body to play down low.

[Immortal Spur]

It makes no sense for them to trade for DD or LMA. It’s not like they would turn the season around and you would lose some return on picks for example.

i think Beal would be an ideal fit with LMA and DD though. Keep Murray and that would be some team next year imo.

Murray/Beal/DeRozan/Gay/Aldridge

[DAF86]

trade aldridge for him and lets look like the Blazers with Derozan and Beal. omg, who wouldn't love that.

Beats the crap out of looking like we look right now, tbh.

[eDizzle20]

I’m a fan of Beal. He was the guy I was hoping they Spurs could have gotten for Kawhi. Pop will want to make a big push if he wants to have a chance at even making the conference finals before he retires.

[objective]

Even Grunfeld isn't stupid enough to trade Beal for any combination of Spurs players and picks

[DAF86]

It makes no sense for them to trade for DD or LMA. It’s not like they would turn the season around and you would lose some return on picks for example.

i think Beal would be an ideal fit with LMA and DD though. Keep Murray and that would be some team next year imo.

Murray/Beal/DeRozan/Gay/Aldridge

Why not? Maybe with a change of look they can somehow accomplish that. Besides, they are never ever trading Wall, so it's not like they can go full blown rebuild, tbh.

[RD2191]

The sad thing is the west is wide open this year. It's the dubs on top of course but 2-8 is a toss up. Sucks the spurs blow ass all of the sudden. I don't know much about Beal but he can't be worse than the shit we have on the roster now.

[SpurPadre]

LMA, Pau, Mills and Toronto's 1st for Beal and Porter?

[NASpurs]

LMA, Pau, Mills and Toronto's 1st for Beal and Porter?

So our bigs would be Turtle, Metu and Eubanks. Ooof

[Mugen]

:lol No they aren't

[Dverde]

Take our Gasol please!

[Larry O]

Hmmm... this idea sounds interesting. BUT it would be interesting to see what inerest would the Spurs give up in this trade? Would it be Forbs, or White or Bertans, or WALKER or a combo of these two or one of these guys plus DC33 or QPon & their Toronto 1st round? The BIG question is: can the Spurs afford his contract or match it with a trade? According to Spotrac.com, Beal is entering into his 3rd year of his 5 year, $127 million contract, with an annual salary of $25.4 million. He will be an UFA in 2021. He's 25 right now, & will be 28 by the time his contract expires. This can possibly play into the factor as well. I'm Sure that DeRozan, Mills, Gasol, Aldridge & Murray MAY BE untouhable(?). But let's say this were to happen, it would be interesting to see how they would factor him & DeRozan into the starting lineup since they both play the same position. Beal is 6'5" while DeRozan is 6'7", which is more of the size of a SF. But the bottom line is: Beal would add perimiter scoring punch to this team. We'll see, but won't be holding my breath for this one, especially with PATFO's loyalty, frugalness & history of not making drastic roster moves & shake-ups. GSG!!!

[SpurPadre]

So our bigs would be Turtle, Metu and Eubanks. Ooof

There's not much else that can be done if we want to get both Porter and Beal without giving up Walker, tbh. I'd rather have a problem of lacking bigs in a league that's already trying to make them extinct while replenishing our back court.

[sasaint]

LMA, DeRozan and Patty for Beal, Porter and Mahinmi works.

[NASpurs]

There's not much else that can be done if we want to get both Porter and Beal without giving up Walker, tbh. I'd rather have a problem of lacking bigs in a league that's already trying to make them extinct while replenishing our back court.

It’s funny how you don’t realize how lacking the front court is when you hypothetically trade two players. That squad would never get a rebound :lol

We do have a plethora of midgets and players with medical issues though. Too bad there isn’t a market for them.

[Spurs da champs]

Why did they not approach the Wizards about this trade during the Kawhi saga? Smfh. Beal & Oubre>>>>DDR & Jakob.

[SpurPadre]

It’s funny how you don’t realize how lacking the front court is when you hypothetically trade two players. That squad would never get a rebound :lol

We do have a plethora of midgets and players with medical issues though. Too bad there isn’t a market for them.

I know what you mean but Poetl's rebounding has improved and Metu has the bounce to be able to crash the boards effectively given the opportunity. Porter is also a good rebounder for his position and grabbed 14 boards a week ago. I'm just throwing it out there. It's not going to happen, really.

[Seventyniner]

Why did they not approach the Wizards about this trade during the Kawhi saga? Smfh. Beal & Oubre>>>>DDR & Jakob.

The Wizards were optimistic about being a playoff team and darkhorse ECF contender. IIRC Wall wasn't fat yet at that point. If they trade Beal that's a sure sign of incoming tanking.

[NASpurs]

Not like Dwert was their savior but...

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[baseline bum]

Washington would have no reason to trade for Mills considering he still has two more years (and fully guaranteed AFAIK) after this one and at a hefty salary. Gasol + Walker + White/Poetl + picks for Beal would work under the CBA and give them a ton of cap relief. Though gotta wonder if Washington wants to dump Beal. Wall is the one they really want gone.

[Seventyniner]

I don't think trading for Beal and Porter while keeping DD makes sense. You would either have to bring Porter off the bench, play him mostly at the 4, or have DD play PG.

[venitian navigator]

I don't think trading for Beal and Porter while keeping DD makes sense. You would either have to bring Porter off the bench, play him mostly at the 4, or have DD play PG.

as of now, for the way we are playing, DDR is already actually our pg....being Forbes the outside shooter.

[Spurs da champs]

as of now, for the way we are playing, DDR is already actually our pg....being Forbes the outside shooter.
Forbes is guarding the PGs tho, he's playing the position even if he's not a true PG. This is where DDR's lack of size & physicality on defense sucks tbh. He's such a flawed 'star' on both ends.

[mo7888]

I don't think trading for Beal and Porter while keeping DD makes sense. You would either have to bring Porter off the bench, play him mostly at the 4, or have DD play PG.

You can play porter at the 4 most nights. Forbes, (or mills), ddr, Beal, porter, and poetl would be an interesting lineup. Pick up a buyout big or call up a G league gut for rim protection.

[acoelho1]

We don't have assets but a Beal for DDR swap would be ideal. I would throw in a draft pick & another player if necessary. The Wizards culture is really bad right now and their 2 best players don't get along. Wall's trade value is at an all time low and with that contract, forget about it. The Wizard front office are also incompetent so maybe in their mind, DDR would fit better than Beal given the relationship issues. Nevertheless, I put this at 1% chance of happening.

[r0drig0lac]

let's trade anyone except Derozan, Walker, Murray, Gay and White for Beal, so we traded for Ariza after December 15 and then the dream of a certain poster will be realized even if by crooked means

[Dverde]

Not like Dwert was their savior but...

1068540362564792320

Brokeback Dwert :eyebrows

[Dverde]

let's trade anyone except Derozan, Walker, Murray, Gay and White for Beal, so we traded for Ariza after December 15 and then the dream of a certain poster will be realized even if by crooked means

So take this bucket of shit and give us your best player...

[Spurs Homer]

:pop:

"this is fake - we are set with Brynn. Beli & Patty"

[TimmyBuckets]

Trade everyone except Murray and Walker

[UncleDennis]

So take this bucket of shit and give us your best player...


haha yes we'll take one otto porter and one bradley beal to go please and you can have any 3 selections off our dollar menu...thank you.

[dbestpro]

Washington will not trade Beal. They prefer to trade Walls. The will most likely trade Porter.

[NASpurs]

Washington will not trade Beal. They prefer to trade Walls. The will most likely trade Porter.

No one is going to trade for Wall unless they’re brain dead. They’re stuck with him.

[sasaint]

No one is going to trade for Wall unless they’re brain dead. They’re stuck with him.

Exactly. There aren't enough #1 overall picks to sweeten a deal to move that contract extension and the cancer that goes with it.

[baseline bum]

So take this bucket of shit and give us your best player...

Hopefully they're desperate for cap relief, which the Spurs could provide with Gasol's contract. A Gasol + Walker + White + pick for Beal trade would save the Wizards a combined $48 million in committed salary over this season and the next two. I don't know what their situation is in regard to possibly being repeat offenders under the luxury tax, but if so that $48 million in committed salary could be much bigger in terms of actual dollars saved. That's the reason the rumors of the Lakers doing a sign and trade for LeBron never made any sense, because it would have cost the Cavs through the nose in luxury tax payments to trade for the Lakers crap assets.

[baseline bum]

No one is going to trade for Wall unless they’re brain dead. They’re stuck with him.

Not unless the Knicks hire Isiah again

[TDomination]

Washington will not trade Beal. They prefer to trade Walls. The will most likely trade Porter.

i'm fine with porter. his size fits more of what we need.

[TheGreatYacht]

When have rival execs ever been right? :lol

[SpurPadre]

Forbes is guarding the PGs tho, he's playing the position even if he's not a true PG. This is where DDR's lack of size & physicality on defense sucks tbh. He's such a flawed 'star' on both ends.

He isn't guarding shit, tbh.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

Hey just wanted to out this out there. If you are crying about this season, remember, at least your not a wizard's fan. That organization is cursed....

[Mugen]

Beal isn't over himself unfortunately. Maybe when he's 33 or if he suffers a major injury in the next year or two, Pop and RC might take a look.

[Spur|n|Austin]

lol at posters thinking any team would want Pau with the fractured foot included in a trade.

[slick'81]

lol at posters thinking any team would want Pau with the fractured foot included in a trade.


I was lol too like how the fck you moving an injured pau

[DAF86]

lol at posters thinking any team would want Pau with the fractured foot included in a trade.

Any tem that accepts Pau wouldn't do it for his playing abilities, tbh. They would do it for his contract.

[DAF86]

I was lol too like how the fck you moving an injured pau

See above.

[MoSpur02]

Makes no sense

[mo7888]

Porters value looks pretty low. Houston may get him and oubre for Gordon and Brandon Knight. Washington may be resigned to the fact that they can't move wall so we might be able to make a deal for one or both of Porter and Beal. Doubt pop would ever be that bold but, there is some potential out there.

[timvp]

If you can get him for Pau and/or Mills, excellent.

Ion even know where you sittin at...

[MoSpur02]

Why tie up all that money on someone like Beal or Porter Jr? Sign someone like Brewer and Lawson for the minimum.

[TDomination]

Ion even know where you sittin at...


https://youtu.be/tRmpOEvlouQ

[superbigtime]

Sean likes BB.

[gambit1990]

said before, spurs are making a move this season. whether it’s for beal, idk.

[DPG21920]

Unless DeRozan is in a deal I don’t see a path to getting Beal.

[SpurPadre]

Unless DeRozan is in a deal I don’t see a path to getting Beal.

DeRozan being included in a deal would make no sense to the Spurs, though, even if it's in a package that includes Porter and Beal.

[timvp]

To get the Wizards to answer the phone, the opening offer would have to be DeRozan and both first round picks.

[superbigtime]

His middle name is Emmanuel. Get him to SA fast.

[cd98]

Spurs would have to give up draft picks and young players and even then I don't think we have what they want for Bradley Beal.

[baseline bum]

lol at posters thinking any team would want Pau with the fractured foot included in a trade.

Him having a $16.8 million salary for trade purposes but only $6.7 million guaranteed next season is what makes him a useful trading piece to a team looking to cut salary.

[NASpurs]

To get the Wizards to answer the phone, the opening offer would have to be DeRozan and both first round picks.

Is that to get Kawhi back or what?

All we got for Kawhi + DG + $5 million is DDR + Poeltl + a first round pick and this lousy shirt. :stupid:

[baseline bum]

To get the Wizards to answer the phone, the opening offer would have to be DeRozan and both first round picks.

So they only want to dump Wall and Porter then?

[024]

:lol It's sad when I don't think anyone on the Spurs is worth protecting from a trade for Beal. Any trade that doesn't involve overpaying on picks would be a good deal.

Please take one of the young guards who can't shoot 3's. White most preferably. Spurs don't need any more midrange players who can't shoot 3's.

[marinoman]

Can u even trade an injured player? Not sure we could even put pau in the deal

[lmbebo]

I'd offer Gasol, Walker and toronto 1st for Beal.

[NASpurs]

Can u even trade an injured player? Not sure we could even put pau in the deal

The other party can waive the requirement for the injured player to pass his physical.

[baseline bum]

I'd offer Gasol, Walker and toronto 1st for Beal.

You'd have to also throw in someone like White or Poetl to make salaries match.

[baseline bum]

It's too bad Washington got just under the luxury tax in 2015-16 or they'd be subject to the repeaters tax and thus extremely desperate to shed salary. Next season is when they'll really have to blow shit up.

[sasaint]

So they only want to dump Wall and Porter then?

Yeah, ideally. but nobody is taking on Wall and his contract; and dealing only Porter doesn't relieve the toxic Beal/Wall relationship.

[Old School 44]

We could’ve just not traded Danny Green lol
Let's get it straight, we didn't trade Danny Green, we gave him away.

[timvp]

Is that to get Kawhi back or what?

All we got for Kawhi + DG + $5 million is DDR + Poeltl + a first round pick and this lousy shirt. :stupid:

Beal has higher trade value since Nephew tanked his trade value, had injury/character red flags and was older.

[timvp]

So they only want to dump Wall and Porter then?

Yeah, they'd probably salary dump Wall. There's a chance they'd trade Porter for matching salary and a couple picks.

Beal is their one sane player who wants to be there, gets along with the coaches and could be built around. It'd be close to impossible for the Spurs to get him out of there, IMO.

[NASpurs]

Beal has higher trade value since Nephew tanked his trade value, had injury/character red flags and was older.

That "I'm with Stupid" emoji wasn't towards you btw :lol... just what the shirt would say.

And yeah, you're right.

[DPG21920]

DeRozan being included in a deal would make no sense to the Spurs, though, even if it's in a package that includes Porter and Beal.

I agree / I don’t see a path

[lmbebo]

You'd have to also throw in someone like White or Poetl to make salaries match.

Open to that. Didn't put the players into a trade machine to see if it worked or not.

[Spurs da champs]

DeRozan being included in a deal would make no sense to the Spurs, though, even if it's in a package that includes Porter and Beal.

It does tho. Bradley Beal>DDR in today's league especially.

[r0drig0lac]

would like to put Derozan / Beal as the starting backcourt

[Chris]

http://i65.tinypic.com/2uol0ra.jpg

[DAF86]

Ion even know where you sittin at...

I didn't say it was possible, tbh, I just named the best scenario and the worst one to make my case that I would probably trade anyone on the roster to get Beal and/or Porter.

[TheGreatYacht]

Drunkford will probably trade for Ian Mahinmi and his horrendous contract and call it a day

[Kobe'sAchilles]

We have a shooting guard already. Trading for another one won't really help. Unless you move DeRozan to point guard. But we still would need a small forward. We could draft one this year's draft though and that would be interesting going forward having DDR and Beal as starters and Lonnie and DJ as the bench for next year

[313]

Let's get it straight, we didn't trade Danny Green, we gave him away.:pctoss:

[Chillen]

No point in trade if you have to give up LMA. If we can get Beal and keep DeRozan, LMA do it. I don't see Washington interested in anything without LMA included though.

[SpurPadre]

No point in trade if you have to give up LMA. If we can get Beal and keep DeRozan, LMA do it. I don't see Washington interested in anything without LMA included though.

LMA is 33. If you can get Beal and LMA is required, I think the Spurs should consider it. I'd rather keep Walker than LMA.

[RC_Drunkford]

Don't see this happening. I doubt the Spurs try to move DeRozan or Aldridge. With those 2 being untouchable, what do we really have that Washington would want? I mean it's not like they are just trying to dump Beal, they would obviously want something in return. Pau Gasol? Patty Mills? Belinelli? Rudy Gay's expiring? lol never happening. Gasol would have to be included just to match salaries, so them getting Poeltl would make them have 4 Centers on the roster. The Lakers and T-Wolves have way more to offer than San Antonio.

[TD 21]

There's nothing the Spurs could offer that would make sense for them. As has been discussed ad nauseam, Porter should be the focus, but the Kings are supposedly interested and can make a better offer (Shumpert and Randolph expiring's, Jackson and either Labissiere, a 2nd or both).

[mo7888]

Don't see this happening. I doubt the Spurs try to move DeRozan or Aldridge. With those 2 being untouchable, what do we really have that Washington would want? I mean it's not like they are just trying to dump Beal, they would obviously want something in return. Pau Gasol? Patty Mills? Belinelli? Rudy Gay's expiring? lol never happening. Gasol would have to be included just to match salaries, so them getting Poeltl would make them have 4 Centers on the roster. The Lakers and T-Wolves have way more to offer than San Antonio.

LMA would have to be included in a Beal package. I think Porter can be had for expiring contract and either a young player or pick.

[wildbill2u]

Too bad Isaiah Thomas isn't their GM. He'd trade for our future rights to Kwahi

[slick'81]

Obviously if he can keep lma/dd you do it but why would was be that stoopid

[Strategic]

Only Sam Presti seems able to get something for nothing these days.

[JeffDuncan]

Only Sam Presti seems able to get something for nothing these days.

And Masai Ujiri.

[024]

I'd trade Aldridge for Beal in a fucking heartbeat. No way Wizards want LMA.

[DPG21920]

Im on the Otto bandwagon. It’s a move I hope they make

[RC_Drunkford]

Im on the Otto bandwagon. It’s a move I hope they make

same here. I think we could get him, especially since his contract is viewed as a bad one. And the chances of him breaking out while being on the Spurs are pretty high tbh.

[FkLA]

Whatever the Wizards ask for. If you can get him for Pau and/or Mills, excellent. If not, I have no problem giving up whoever of Aldridge or DeRozan, tbh.

Admittedly I don't watch the Wizards much but I'm pretty sure DD is a better player than Beal, no? I mean its not like Beal is a superstar, tbh.

[Chillen]

Well LMA in the East with Wall would be different than in West. Wizards would be a playoff contender with LMA and Wall. Washington would definitely want LMA. So yeah Spurs would have to give up Aldridge for Beal.

Spurs could target Cousins this offseason to offset the loss of Aldridge. Pau would start in LMA place for now when he get's healthy. I really don't want Spurs to give up LMA.

DeRozan I would not trade at all. You need stars to win.

[venitian navigator]

Im on the Otto bandwagon. It’s a move I hope they make

he's not playing against Philly...something in the air?

[DPG21920]

he's not playing against Philly...something in the air?

His Uncle passed away. Which for some here that is viewed as another reason to target him via trade.

[timvp]

His Uncle passed away. Which for some here that is viewed as another reason to target him via trade.

https://i.imgur.com/HcqORAn.jpg

[SpurPadre]

Only Sam Presti seems able to get something for nothing these days.

And the best GM in basketball: LeBron James

[SpurPadre]

Some say Porter is a medium class man's Kawhi. If we could somehow get him, the system could make him a star, tbh.

[Chinook]

Beal is the better long-term SG than DeRozan, but the Spurs would be on the hook for murder if they made that move. The team also isn't in position to give up more assets for a lateral-ish move.

Does the previously mentioned idea of DeRozan, Gay and Gasol for Beal and Porter make sense (for the Spurs)? Yeah, obviously depending on how picks/prospects they'd have to give out. They'd have a much better and more balanced starting unit, especially once Murray returns. Having Mills in instead of Gay would make it even better financially. I just don't trust Pop and Aldridge to use their new wing-duo to their potential.

[acoelho1]

Porter will never be a star. He’s very hesitant on offense and will be very frustrating player on the Spurs. The players worth getting on the Wizards are Beal and Oubre. I would trade DDR in a heartbeat for Beal. Now, he would be a star under the Spurs tutelage and he’s a better defender and shooter than DDR.

[hater]

lamarsha and Fatty for Howard and his tranny tbqh

[r0drig0lac]

His Uncle passed away. Which for some here that is viewed as another reason to target him via trade.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TepidWeightyFlyinglemur-size_restricted.gif

[marinoman]

Forbes, Belinelli, pau, Toronto 1st for Beal.

[RC_Drunkford]

Forbes, Belinelli, pau, Toronto 1st for Beal.

that would be highway robbery

[mo7888]

Forbes, Belinelli, pau, Toronto 1st for Beal.

Maybe for Porter. It'll take more than that for Beal.

[ace3g]

Beal is just another SG, a talented SG, but still a SG. He wouldn't help us defensively and is not a SF.

[JakeCuenca]

Theres a couple SFs in the G leaguebthe spurs should consider. Watanabe, etc. They need to find cheap tall sfs that can shoot and defend.

[FvckMavs]

The wrong uncle passed away, tbh.

[superbigtime]

if Beli is included in any trade, I'm sold.

[NameLess Scrub]

Unless DeRozan is in a deal I don’t see a path to getting Beal.

That rhymes.

[Coach X]

Why another scorer when the defense is the problem?

[r0drig0lac]

if Beli is included in any trade, I'm sold.

[UncleDennis]

Beal is just another SG, a talented SG, but still a SG. He wouldn't help us defensively and is not a SF.

I don't watch enough of Beal so besides knowing he can shoot the 3, is he at least decent on defense?

[HarlemHeat37]

Never going to happen, but wouldn't make sense anyways..

This team doesn't need another star.. Aldridge/DeRozan aren't good enough to lead a team to a title, but they're still legit scoring options and this is who the Spurs are building around(and Gay as a complimentary scorer)..they should be surrounded by shooter and defenders..they need Danny Green and Robert Covington-types..

[sananspursfan21]

lmao either I totally misread this or the subject was changed, sorry. I’ll see myself out :lol Totally read it as Avery Bradley

Me too :lol that’s why I passed it by until today

[DAF86]

Never going to happen, but wouldn't make sense anyways..

This team doesn't need another star.. Aldridge/DeRozan aren't good enough to lead a team to a title, but they're still legit scoring options and this is who the Spurs are building around(and Gay as a complimentary scorer)..they should be surrounded by shooter and defenders..they need Danny Green and Robert Covington-types..

Or Otto Porter.

[8FOR!3]

Or Otto Porter.

I don't even think Otto Porter is as good as Robert Covington and he's getting paid like 2 Robert Covingtons.

[R. DeMurre]

Why another scorer when the defense is the problem?

[DAF86]

I don't even think Otto Porter is as good as Robert Covington and he's getting paid like 2 Robert Covingtons.

Yeah well, we already fucked up the chance of getting Covington.

[duncan2150]

I don't even think Otto Porter is as good as Robert Covington and he's getting paid like 2 Robert Covingtons.

He is way better than covington, look at their career %, plus he’s also a good defender.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

I'm seeing a lot of Otto Porter love here and I figure it's bc people here haven't actually seen him play (the site isn't called wizardstalk). Porter is HORRIBLE for this team. He's like a Danny Green but getting paid $25 million a year. He has games where he makes you think hey he's good and worth a gamble but more often than not he will follow up those games with bad ones that make you think why are we paying him this much money? He's an ok defender but not a great one. He can guard role players well, but every star goes off on him like he's not there. He's an ok rebounder but not a great one. He's an ok shooter but not a great one. He can't really create for himself and has to be spoonfed a lot of times for his points. He doesn't get to the line like at all. He SHRINKS in the playoffs. Every single one of his stats go down in the playoffs. I would love to have him on the same type of contract that we had Danny bc he's a bigger version of him, but paying him more than twice that amount is just dumb especially when we can draft a SF this year that will essentially do everything he brings to the table but at a fourth of the price. Watch some Wizards games (difficult I know) and you will see that he IS NOT the answer.

[TDomination]

I'm seeing a lot of Otto Porter love here and I figure it's bc people here haven't actually seen him play (the site isn't called wizardstalk). Porter is HORRIBLE for this team. He's like a Danny Green but getting paid $25 million a year. He has games where he makes you think hey he's good and worth a gamble but more often than not he will follow up those games with bad ones that make you think why are we paying him this much money? He's an ok defender but not a great one. He can guard role players well, but every star goes off on him like he's not there. He's an ok rebounder but not a great one. He's an ok shooter but not a great one. He can't really create for himself and has to be spoonfed a lot of times for his points. He doesn't get to the line like at all. He SHRINKS in the playoffs. Every single one of his stats go down in the playoffs. I would love to have him on the same type of contract that we had Danny bc he's a bigger version of him, but paying him more than twice that amount is just dumb especially when we can draft a SF this year that will essentially do everything he brings to the table but at a fourth of the price. Watch some Wizards games (difficult I know) and you will see that he IS NOT the answer.

i think we're all just so desperate for anyone at this point.

so you are 6'8, a wing and come play some D, sign him up! lol

[dbestpro]

Send Gasol, Marco, filler and a pick for Carroll and Faried. The defense would get better in a hurry, plus both are expiring contracts. Don't think other teams would give up much even though they are expiring, and the Nets will not take on long term salary.

[Hoops Czar]

lmao either I totally misread this or the subject was changed, sorry. I’ll see myself out :lol Totally read it as Avery Bradley


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2808352-wizards-hurtling-toward-wall-beal-breakup-if-dysfunction-continues


Minnesota and San Antonio are two teams that one of the rival execs said would be interested in discussing a trade for Beal. For the Timberwolves, he would serve as a replacement for Jimmy Butler. For the Spurs, he would provide more scoring punch and a three-point-shooting threat—though such a move would necessitate moving DeMar DeRozan to the 3 or playing them in the backcourt together at times without a true point guard.

Gregg Popovich and R.C. Buford don't make panic moves. But given the Spurs' recent struggles, they are expected to be one of the teams that most closely monitors the Wizards mess to see if it's fixable—or not.

I totally misread this thread as the Spurs were actually interested in Bradley Beal, not that some exec believes the Spurs might be interested given their recent struggles.

[Hoops Czar]

Never going to happen, but wouldn't make sense anyways..

This team doesn't need another star.. Aldridge/DeRozan aren't good enough to lead a team to a title, but they're still legit scoring options and this is who the Spurs are building around(and Gay as a complimentary scorer)..they should be surrounded by shooter and defenders..they need Danny Green and Robert Covington-types..

Aldridge isn't a star and Derozen is a bordeline all star ( would be a third option on serious contenders) but calling Beal a star :lol

[SpurPadre]

Aldridge isn't a star and Derozen is a bordeline all star ( would be a third option on serious contenders) but calling Beal a star :lol

You're underselling DeRozan. 3rd options don't average 24.3 PPG. And as a 1 seed last year for the Raptors, he was their 1st option.

[exstatic]

You're underselling DeRozan. 3rd options don't average 24.3 PPG. And as a 1 seed last year for the Raptors, he was their 1st option.

...and second team All NBA. There are 24 All Stars every year, plus injury replacements as needed. There are only 15 All NBA players. It's a higher bar to clear, and you don't get there by being a "borderline All Star".

[hater]

Aldridge isn't a star and Derozen is a bordeline all star ( would be a third option on serious contenders) but calling Beal a star :lol

:lmao terrible post

[sasaint]

Aldridge isn't a star and Derozen is a bordeline all star ( would be a third option on serious contenders) but calling Beal a star :lol

The way he has played this season, LMA is barely a rotation player. DeRozan is indeed a star - not a superstar, but a star. He also has a game, however, that is very difficult to fit other players around, and is pretty antiquated. I would flip him and LMA for Beal and Porter in a heartbeat rather than build around the games that LMA and DeMar bring to the table.

[Hoops Czar]

You're underselling DeRozan. 3rd options don't average 24.3 PPG. And as a 1 seed last year for the Raptors, he was their 1st option.
The same DeRozen that got benched in the postseaon against Cleveland for poor performance? Lot's of players can score but does he make teams better? Even on the days Kawhi sits out, Toronto doesn't miss a beat. He has some of the worst playoff advanced metrics you'll ever see from a supposed star. He's not even an average postseaon player, he's atrocious.

[HarlemHeat37]

Aldridge isn't a star and Derozen is a bordeline all star ( would be a third option on serious contenders) but calling Beal a star :lol

All-NBA players aren't borderline All-Stars:lol

They aren't superstars, but clearly stars, and I say this as somebody that dislikes both..

[8FOR!3]

DeRozan is a fringe superstar, he's like at the highest level you can be without being considered a superstar imo. 2nd team All-NBA is definitely not a borderline All-Star though. You can basically say the same thing about Aldridge. He's a 6 time All-Star. 5x All-NBA. But clearly DeRozan is more in his prime currently than Aldridge. I think Aldridge just isn't a great player when the offense doesn't revolve around him but he's exceptional when it does. Obviously that can be problematic, but I don't believe it's really much of his fault or even an ego thing. I just think his game relies on rhythm and when he doesn't get a lot of shots up all of a sudden he's no longer an elite midrange shooter. The only thing I could ask of Aldridge is to stay in a little better shape. Maybe just needs to change his diet up a little bit and workout a little more in the offseason. We've learned with Timmy and even others like Gasol that it takes that at an advanced age sometimes to still play at a high level.

[HarlemHeat37]

Two of my bookie sites just opened the Spurs as #2 to land Beal(tied with the Lakers, behind the Raptors) :lol

[TD 21]

Outside of superstars, All-NBA, like virtually all awards, is mostly about narrative and circumstance(s).

DeRozan benefitted from being in the East and was wrongly widely regarded as the Raptors best player over the past half decade, even though Lowry + the bench generally posted their best metrics. But the archaic voters were seduced by and gave the majority of the credit for the top 5-10 record, to the athletic wing averaging 20something.

Strip those things away and he's an All-Star caliber player.

Aldridge was more of a legit All-Star until this season.

[SAGirl]

Two of my bookie sites just opened the Spurs as #2 to land Beal(tied with the Lakers, behind the Raptors) :lol
:wow They are gambling on Pop's desperation.

[RC_Drunkford]

Beal is a better player than DeRozan. Can score from anywhere, is a 3-point shooter, can run point (4.2 assists per game), is a very good defender (averages 1 block and 1 steal per game). There's a reason why the Wizards had this stretch last year when Wall was out where they went on a winning streak. He's also just 25 and locked up for 3 years. Get him. If you somehow find a 3-and-D wing (maybe Demarre Carroll) on the buy out market and play DeRozan at PG, which gives him an even bigger size advantage, a line up of DeRozan/Beal/Carroll/Gay/Aldridge can easily make the WCF.

Spurs just don't have the assets to get him

[Chillen]

Spurs just don't have the assets to get him

Pau, Patty and a future 1st round draft pick. Mills is an expiring contract.

Yeah Wizards could probably get something better for Beal but he will be out of the East.

[slick'81]

Pau, Patty and a future 1st round draft pick. Mills is an expiring contract.

Yeah Wizards could probably get something better for Beal but he will be out of the East.


doesnt mills have two years left after this season? And pau has 7 mil guaranteed next year

[marinoman]

This whole thread is based on nonsense. I’d love Beal or for the spurs to at least inquire about him but the article doesn’t say the spurs are interested it says nba execs expect spurs to be interested.
Fucken worthless

[Seventyniner]

Pau, Patty and a future 1st round draft pick. Mills is an expiring contract.

Yeah Wizards could probably get something better for Beal but he will be out of the East.

I think the Wiz would insist on Lonnie being part of the deal. He seems to be a natural SG like DeRozan and Beal.

[DAF86]

DeRozan and Aldridge for Beal and Porter.

White
Beal
Porter
Gay
Poeltl

Mills
Forbes
Belinelli
Bertans
Gasol

And we make the WCF easily. Fuck these two useless "stars", tbh.

[marinoman]

Pau + Lonnie + metu + Belinelli and both 1sts for Beal and green

[Prime BEEF]

Good trade for Spurs. Not sure if the wizards would do it. Would love a Murray, Beal, Porter, Gay, Poeltl starting 5 next year


DeRozan and Aldridge for Beal and Porter.

White
Beal
Porter
Gay
Poeltl

Mills
Forbes
Belinelli
Bertans
Gasol

And we make the WCF easily. Fuck these two useless "stars", tbh.

[DAF86]

Good trade for Spurs. Not sure if the wizards would do it. Would love a Murray, Beal, Porter, Gay, Poeltl starting 5 next year

The Wizards are fucked as it is. They might as well shake things up and see where it takes them.

Their way of looking at it is that they are adding two 2nd team all-NBA players for a borderline all-star and a role player. Looking it at that way the Spurs could get greedy and even ask for a draft pick.

Anyway, pipe dream. We all know Pop would never "betray" his players like that.

[sasaint]

DeRozan and Aldridge for Beal and Porter.

White
Beal
Porter
Gay
Poeltl

Mills
Forbes
Belinelli
Bertans
Gasol

And we make the WCF easily. Fuck these two useless "stars", tbh.

Been posting that for weeks. But ST thinks LMA and DeMar are the keepers that we should build around. :lol

[marinoman]

People want porter...

[DAF86]

People want porter...

What's wrong with wanting to get a 6'8" 25 year old 3 and D guy who shoots 40% on 3's for his carreer and has been a net positive for the past 4 seasons, even with the shitty Wizards?

[tbdog]

What's wrong with wanting to get a 6'8" 25 year old 3 and D guy who shoots 40% on 3's for his carreer and has been a net positive for the past 4 seasons, even with the shitty Wizards?

He costs 26 mil per year.

[marinoman]

Porter isn’t that good, he doesn’t set his teammates up, he isn’t aggressive on offense at all, often stands in a corner, he isn’t much of a shot creator, atrocious transition defense lazy/doesn’t carehorrible contract, wizards were idiots to match, should have let him go to nets
the transition d will guarantee he’s never a spur anyways, feel free to dream

[DAF86]

He costs 26 mil per year.

I prefer to pay Porter 26 than DeRozan 28.

[Prime BEEF]

He costs 26 mil per year.


There are worse contracts. Like paying $28M/yr for Mills/Gasol

[TheGreatYacht]

Forget Beal. I've been wanting Thomas Bryant for almost two years


This Thomas Bryant on the Lakers already showed better floor awareness than Deadmon did all of last year... :lol

[hombre]

I prefer to pay Porter 26 than DeRozan 28.

Hahaha.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I prefer to pay Porter 26 than DeRozan 28.

If you could, would you have taken Tobias Harris and the 12th and 13th pick in the most recent draft for Kawhi?

I prefer that to DeRozan/Poetl.

[DAF86]

If you could, would you have taken Tobias Harris and the 12th and 13th pick in the most recent draft for Kawhi?

I prefer that to DeRozan/Poetl.

I don't know, at that time I wasn't very high on either option.

[tbdog]

There are worse contracts. Like paying $28M/yr for Mills/Gasol

You can move one of them any given time without hurting your future much. Paying Porter superstar money is not good. He will eat about 25% of your cap and he is an outside chance of being an all-star, let alone a leader of a team. Both LMA and DD have earnt their paycheques, not because of one good year or even two, but for years of being an allstar.

[tbdog]

I prefer to pay Porter 26 than DeRozan 28.

Derozan's NBA achievements:
4× NBA All-Star (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_All-Stars)
All-NBA Second Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team)
All-NBA Third Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team)

Porter's NBA achievements:

[Chinook]

The Spurs could afford to pay Porter's salary for the rest of his contract. So long as that's true, it really doesn't matter how much he makes. The most important thing is that he'd fit their roster both with and without Murray. Obviously, someone like Robert Covington is a WAAAAY better option. But that dude isn't available. Other options might be available, but there are Porter trades that I think would totally work for the Spurs.

[DAF86]

Derozan's NBA achievements:
4× NBA All-Star (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_All-Stars)
All-NBA Second Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team)
All-NBA Third Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team)

Porter's NBA achievements:




DeRozan's On/off stat for an 18-16 team: -14.2
Porter's on/off stat for a 13-20 team: +7.7

[tbdog]

DeRozan's On/off stat for an 18-16 team: -14.2
Porter's on/off stat for a 13-20 team: +7.7

If only wizards played porter more, they would be winning.

[Chinook]

I'm certainly not trading DeRozan for Porter. The goal would be for him to compliment/"finish" the starting lineup. If the Spurs had another dominant lead guard like Kemba, then maybe shit like on/offs would matter. But as the Wolves are showing, adding "high-impact" role-players at the expense of stars is not conducive to winning.

Beal's a different story, though. Him instead of DeMar would raise the Spurs' ceiling quite a bit.

[palangi]

What about Aldridge and the rights to Adam Hanga to Phoenix for Josh Jackson and the Ryan Anderson contract.
Josh Jackson gives us a true 3&D type wing. And he is young. The Suns have Oubre, Warren, and Bridges for that spot. They wanted Aldridge and his outside game fits nice with Ayton.
Anderson makes the money work and could fill an old Matt Bonner type role. Him and Bertans used off the bench.

Patty Mills to the Lakers for Isaac Bongo.
I know patty is a Pop favorite but with Forbes and White he is redundant. His 3 shot would be a warm welcome for James.
Bongs is a pint forward type player. Lots of length and skill. And at 6'9" is a good wing. Her is doing well in the G league. And can develop the third year.

The rights to Nikola Militunov to the Grizzlies for watanabe.i know a lot he are high on him. He can play between Austin and San Antonio this year.

PG- white, Forbes, Nick Johnson
SG- DeRozan, pondexter, White
SF- Jackson, Belinelli, Watanabe
PF- Gay, Anderson/Bertans, Metu
C - Poetel, Gasol, Eubanks

Bonga
https://youtu.be/MiZNVXZakgA

Josh Jackson
https://youtu.be/bMSfcWmiNOM

Watanabe
https://youtu.be/jHEfA8V0uJ8

[mo7888]

What about Aldridge and the rights to Adam Hanga to Phoenix for Josh Jackson and the Ryan Anderson contract.
Josh Jackson gives us a true 3&D type wing. And he is young. The Suns have Oubre, Warren, and Bridges for that spot. They wanted Aldridge and his outside game fits nice with Ayton.
Anderson makes the money work and could fill an old Matt Bonner type role. Him and Bertans used off the bench.

Patty Mills to the Lakers for Isaac Bongo.
I know patty is a Pop favorite but with Forbes and White he is redundant. His 3 shot would be a warm welcome for James.
Bongs is a pint forward type player. Lots of length and skill. And at 6'9" is a good wing. Her is doing well in the G league. And can develop the third year.

The rights to Nikola Militunov to the Grizzlies for watanabe.i know a lot he are high on him. He can play between Austin and San Antonio this year.

PG- white, Forbes, Nick Johnson
SG- DeRozan, pondexter, White
SF- Jackson, Belinelli, Watanabe
PF- Gay, Anderson/Bertans, Metu
C - Poetel, Gasol, Eubanks

Bonga
https://youtu.be/MiZNVXZakgA

Josh Jackson
https://youtu.be/bMSfcWmiNOM

Watanabe
https://youtu.be/jHEfA8V0uJ8

Aldridge is worth more than Josh and he's worth way more than Josh plus 20M of dead weight next year.

I'd do the laker trade, simply to remove mills future salary, but LA won't do that trade for the sane reason.

You can get a guy of watanabe's caliber for no cost in the g league right now.

[Chinook]

I'm not trading Aldridge for Jackson. Suns wasted two years of development, and it's not clear that he ever really had a bunch of potential anyway. Adding in Anderson's salary for next year is a non-starter. The Suns, for their part, wouldn't want to do it either.

Lakers certainly aren't trying to get Mills' salary on their books. Loved Bonga during the draft, but he's not going to be a Spur unless the Lakers want to dump him.

Grizz might think that's fine value, but the better option seems to be to just wait until the summer to sign him. As far as I know, the Grizz don't have RoFR over a normal NBA contract, just two-ways. I'm also not the biggest fan of Nikola, but he deserves better than this. Something like Hanga's rights if Memphis has interest in signing him makes more sense. Microtransaction deserves microasset.

[SpurPadre]

Apparently John Wall is out for the rest of the season. Maybe this will force Washington to tank and trade Beal and/or Porter.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

I'm glad we didn't listen to ESPN and trade for him

[sasaint]

I'm glad we didn't listen to ESPN and trade for him

Haha! Never a chance.

[sasaint]

Apparently John Wall is out for the rest of the season. Maybe this will force Washington to tank and trade Beal and/or Porter.

Or maybe they will do better without him and hang on to Beal and Porter. Doesn’t matter, though. Even if they moved one or both the Spurs would never get a whiff.

[slick'81]

Or maybe they will do better without him and hang on to Beal and Porter. Doesn’t matter, though. Even if they moved one or both the Spurs would never get a whiff.


You mean nobody wants gasol or mills our culture and champions!?

[UnWantedTheory]

Or maybe they will do better without him and hang on to Beal and Porter. Doesn’t matter, though. Even if they moved one or both the Spurs would never get a whiff.
They are stuck with Wall regardless. No one is taking on his contract and that trio isn't winning a championship.

[sasaint]

You mean nobody wants gasol or mills our culture and champions!?

Unlike most ST posters, I am willing to trade value to get value. I don't expect to score a Beal or Porter for the likes of Gasol or Mills. But it really doesn't matter what Spurs bodies we are talking about, Pop doesn't do an important deal unless he is forced into it - and certainly not at midseason. This team has shown enough for Pop to feel justified in staying the course. We are stuck.

[Mr. Body]

DeRozan and Aldridge for Beal and Porter.

White
Beal
Porter
Gay
Poeltl

Mills
Forbes
Belinelli
Bertans
Gasol

And we make the WCF easily. Fuck these two useless "stars", tbh.

Wow, there are some profoundly stupid posters on this site.

[DAF86]

Wow, there are some profoundly stupid posters on this site.

Yes, you are one of them.

[Mr. Body]

Yes, you are one of them.

Oh my God you killed me.

[DAF86]

Oh my God you killed me.

About as well as you killed me with your original comment. :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/detnewsRodBeard/status/1080504376119230470

[RC_Drunkford]

Raptors pick, 2020 Spurs pick, Pau Gasol, 50 Mills. I wouldn't add any of Walker/Murray/White though. Maybe Forbes, but why trade Forbes and Mills? They are asking for quite a lot if you consider that you also have to match Beals salary. LA Fakers might be able to get him

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

did someone mention adam hanga?

[TimmyBuckets]

Overrated.

[south side spur]

Are these new rumors just that or is this something that is realistic? Pipe dream?

[talkspurs]

Are these new rumors just that or is this something that is realistic? Pipe dream?

How far did you have to dig to find the thread?

Post are from 2 plus years ago.

[mo7888]

Are these new rumors just that or is this something that is realistic? Pipe dream?

They are real!... Oh so real...

[exstatic]

Are these new rumors just that or is this something that is realistic? Pipe dream?

Zombie thread of the week!!!

[Chinook]

The Spurs have the assets, but it'd be weird for them to make the move, given how much they'd have to be leveraged to get it done. I think at this point the Spurs can't trust Aldridge to get back to his old form, so the potential upside of a Murray, Beal, DeRozan, Johnson, Aldridge starting lineup probably doesn't have with it needs to be competitive with the rest of the West. Swap LMA out for a good PF and get Poeltl playing well, however...

Honestly, still not my favorite idea. I'm not sure if he's a legit star.

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if most Spurs fans realize this team likes to play defense.

[Mugen]

I wonder if most Spurs fans realize this team likes to play defense.

:lol 2+ years of Bryn Forbes starting says otherwise homie

[mo7888]

The Spurs have the assets, but it'd be weird for them to make the move, given how much they'd have to be leveraged to get it done. I think at this point the Spurs can't trust Aldridge to get back to his old form, so the potential upside of a Murray, Beal, DeRozan, Johnson, Aldridge starting lineup probably doesn't have with it needs to be competitive with the rest of the West. Swap LMA out for a good PF and get Poeltl playing well, however...

Honestly, still not my favorite idea. I'm not sure if he's a legit star.

Who would be a good PF to go after to compete for the West? I'm wondering who you see that would fit and elevate our ceiling?

[DAF86]

:lol 2+ years of Bryn Forbes starting says otherwise homie

We still have DeRozan on the squad also. :lol

[poopbox]

Would have to give up to much for a guy who isn't anything other than a gunner on a bottom 5 team in the league...not worth it...

Between white, murray, walker, vassell, and keldon...lonnie is the only one i would give up for beal and thats only because i think he is the most likely to sign somewhere else after his rookie deal anyway

[RC_Drunkford]

Who would be a good PF to go after to compete for the West? I'm wondering who you see that would fit and elevate our ceiling?

John Collins.

Spurs don't need Beal now, we got too many guards already. Give this team John Collins and Myles Turner and they would be a top 4 team in the west

[mo7888]

John Collins.

Spurs don't need Beal now, we got too many guards already. Give this team John Collins and Myles Turner and they would be a top 4 team in the west

Yea, the Beal thing isn't serious i don't believe. I think Chinook was talking about acquiring a PF now for a run this season using LMA and other capital to acquire one. I don't Collins is gettable until free agency so, my question had to do with trade targets that are attainable now because I don't really see any.... maybe Siakam if they continue to underperform and he demands a trade...other than that I'm not seeing it..

[CGD]

Lol

[TimDunkem]

Spurs don't make trades.

[Dejounte]

John Collins.

Spurs don't need Beal now, we got too many guards already. Give this team John Collins and Myles Turner and they would be a top 4 team in the west

You're setting yourself up for disappointment, bro. John Collins is the "big" fish, and if you're calling it a success based on if John gets signed or not then everything else will be a bust.

[Chinook]

I think SA would have a great chance at Collins in free agency. Them not having am established star would work for him given his issues with Young, and he likely grew up a big Duncan fan. Feels like a LMA situation all over again, in both good and bad ways. The RFA thing is a way bigger issue.

[Dex]

I think SA would have a great chance at Collins in free agency. Them not having am established star would work for him given his issues with Young, and he likely grew up a big Duncan fan. Feels like a LMA situation all over again, in both good and bad ways. The RFA thing is a way bigger issue.

John Collins seems to be looking for max money, and I just don't see him being worth that even if Atlanta chose not to match.

[Chinook]

John Collins seems to be looking for max money, and I just don't see him being worth that even if Atlanta chose not to match.

I don't think it's hard to be worth for him. Remember we're still talking about a depressed cap and with five-percent raises. I doubt there's any better use for the Spurs' cap space to spending it on him. Even if he's a bust, he'll be off the books before SA needs space again.

[Sugus]

I don't think it's hard to be worth for him. Remember we're still talking about a depressed cap and with five-percent raises. I doubt there's any better use for the Spurs' cap space to spending it on him. Even if he's a bust, he'll be off the books before SA needs space again.

Also worth mentioning that it wouldn't be a "real max" like 10+ year veterans get. I think Dejounte did the numbers a couple weeks ago, and it'd be considerably lower than the true max (which would be something like $32M a year, disgusting).

I'm irrationally confident in the Collins to SA train. Everything's working out well for us so far - Hawks aren't playing so well, Collins isn't happy there, there's issues between him and Trae (and Trae is playing like ass in general). If the team doesn't produce like they were expected to (aka misses the playoffs), it'll be hard for the Hawks FO to justify sinking another $25-28M on Collins with no results to show for years of him being on the team already.

We can speak it into existence, tbh :downspin:

[RC_Drunkford]

You're setting yourself up for disappointment, bro. John Collins is the "big" fish, and if you're calling it a success based on if John gets signed or not then everything else will be a bust.

just cause you don’t like him? :lol Of course that shouldn’t be the only acquisition in FA, but he would fix a lot of problems on this team and there aren’t a lot of other valuable options in FA

[Dejounte]

just cause you don’t like him? :lol Of course that shouldn’t be the only acquisition in FA, but he would fix a lot of problems on this team and there aren’t a lot of other valuable options in FA

What does me not liking him have anything to do with my post? I'm saying you're setting yourself up for disappointment if all you want primarily is him. Has nothing to do with his play.

[RC_Drunkford]

What does me not liking him have anything to do with my post? I'm saying you're setting yourself up for disappointment if all you want primarily is him. Has nothing to do with his play.

I'd definitely like to add more, but there isn't much to get out there unless we make a trade

[poopbox]

John Collins seems to be looking for max money, and I just don't see him being worth that even if Atlanta chose not to match.

Coming have his rookie deal his "max" contract would not be that large, since it's based off service time. I think if the spurs offer a max they have as good a chance as anyone signing him because I do not think Atlanta is going to off a matching max contract.

It's also not all about how good the individual player is but how good the individual player makes your team, and collins age, body type, and skillset is about as good a fit as you are going to find with our young core of dejounte, white, keldon, and vassell, all 4 of which are going to be here a long time

[stxspurs]

Just saw trendingnba on insta. We would offer Murray, keldon and first round picks. Dumbest shit i read today.

[PrimeMinister]

What/who are we missing out on if we offer John Collins a max offer sheet or something close enough to a max the hawks don't match?

Those are the terms that you need to think of it in. Cap space is worthless without a target. Bird rights make it so the cap almost is a non factor in relation to keeping your own young talent so even with Keldon, Lonnie, Devin with decisions in the future Collins probably doesn't move the needle much on keeping or losing them. If Keldon continues his trajectory and becomes a max player the tax could be a factor, but that's not a guarantee necessarily.

So I guess for 2022 if you're saying pass on Collins its so we can make a run at Kawhi? Durant? I just don't see it. Collins is probably the guy.

[KingKev]

What/who are we missing out on if we offer John Collins a max offer sheet or something close enough to a max the hawks don't match?

Those are the terms that you need to think of it in. Cap space is worthless without a target. Bird rights make it so the cap almost is a non factor in relation to keeping your own young talent so even with Keldon, Lonnie, Devin with decisions in the future Collins probably doesn't move the needle much on keeping or losing them. If Keldon continues his trajectory and becomes a max player the tax could be a factor, but that's not a guarantee necessarily.

So I guess for 2022 if you're saying pass on Collins its so we can make a run at Kawhi? Durant? I just don't see it. Collins is probably the guy.

Kawhi won’t be an FA in 2022. We will use our cap space on 25-30mm for DDR and loyalty contracts for at least 1 maybe 2 maybe all 3 expiring vets.

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The Spurs have the assets, but it'd be weird for them to make the move, given how much they'd have to be leveraged to get it done. I think at this point the Spurs can't trust Aldridge to get back to his old form, so the potential upside of a Murray, Beal, DeRozan, Johnson, Aldridge starting lineup probably doesn't have with it needs to be competitive with the rest of the West. Swap LMA out for a good PF and get Poeltl playing well, however...

Honestly, still not my favorite idea. I'm not sure if he's a legit star.

:lmao So not only do they supposedly have the assets (despite not having a centerpiece), but they could apparently acquire him without Murray or Johnson being in the package.

Beal is definitely a legit star.

[Chinook]

:lmao So not only do they supposedly have the assets (despite not having a centerpiece), but they could apparently acquire him without Murray or Johnson being in the package.

Beal is definitely a legit star.

Eh, I'm talking about a star in the sense that acquiring him would turn a team into a contender like theoretically Harden does. He's way closer to Holiday than he is to Harden, and eight first-round picks/swaps is more than enough to get him. You're obsessed with the idea that the Nets needed Levert to be part of the deal, to the point that you're overlooking what Houston themselves said about why they valued the package. Basically any team being willing to leverage their future that much for immediate gain is valuable. Most teams like Philly, Denver or Boston who may have those sorts of assets would not be willing to go that far, which is how they keep getting beat in these kinds of trades.

The Spurs aren't going to have to trade EVERYTHING they have in any deal. I think if you believe that that you're bias has gotten out of control. Ultimately any deal for Beal with be expiring ballast, a couple of good prospects and a certain number of picks. Something like Gay, Mills, Poeltl, White, Walker and the next five picks or swaps is going to be significantly better than what Beal goes for unless one of those aforementioned teams is willing to go much farther than they have been in their trades. But believe me, I'm okay with trading Murray and keeping White. Injury or not, I think a White/Beal duo has a much better chance at breaking into a contender than the one with Murray. And while I think the Spurs should trade Johnson instead of Walker, I'm not destroyed if Lonnie or Vassell stays instead. You could even argue that it's way easier to trade Murray than White because of the PPP making it hard to match contracts.

Even so, the point of my statement wasn't that Murray, Johnson, DeRozan and Aldridge would all be on the team after a Beal trade. It's more saying that even if the Spurs got Beal with Murray, Johnson, DeRozan and Aldridge still on the team, I don't see that team having a good chance to come out of the West, though in that case if they find a way to move Aldridge for a good PF and get the good Poeltl, they might be a dark horse.

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Eh, I'm talking about a star in the sense that acquiring him would turn a team into a contender like theoretically Harden does. He's way closer to Holiday than he is to Harden, and eight first-round picks/swaps is more than enough to get him. You're obsessed with the idea that the Nets needed Levert to be part of the deal, to the point that you're overlooking what Houston themselves said about why they valued the package. Basically any team being willing to leverage their future that much for immediate gain is valuable. Most teams like Philly, Denver or Boston who may have those sorts of assets would not be willing to go that far, which is how they keep getting beat in these kinds of trades.

The Spurs aren't going to have to trade EVERYTHING they have in any deal. I think if you believe that that you're bias has gotten out of control. Ultimately any deal for Beal with be expiring ballast, a couple of good prospects and a certain number of picks. Something like Gay, Mills, Poeltl, White, Walker and the next five picks or swaps is going to be significantly better than what Beal goes for unless one of those aforementioned teams is willing to go much farther than they have been in their trades. But believe me, I'm okay with trading Murray and keeping White. Injury or not, I think a White/Beal duo has a much better chance at breaking into a contender than the one with Murray. And while I think the Spurs should trade Johnson instead of Walker, I'm not destroyed if Lonnie or Vassell stays instead. You could even argue that it's way easier to trade Murray than White because of the PPP making it hard to match contracts.

Even so, the point of my statement wasn't that Murray, Johnson, DeRozan and Aldridge would all be on the team after a Beal trade. It's more saying that even if the Spurs got Beal with Murray, Johnson, DeRozan and Aldridge still on the team, I don't see that team having a good chance to come out of the West, though in that case if they find a way to move Aldridge for a good PF and get the good Poeltl, they might be a dark horse.

They did because what you're obsessed with is the Rockets opinion of him, but there was always going to be a win now team, that isn't a free agent destination, who valued him and would provide the Rockets with something they valued more.

No, but they are going to need a centerpiece. The notion that they could get a player regarded as top 20, whose 27 and malleable, for neither that nor Johnson or Murray, is absurd.

[Chinook]

They did because what you're obsessed with is the Rockets opinion of him, but there was always going to be a win now team, that isn't a free agent destination, who valued him.

Bro, I'm harping on it because you very confidently stated that Houston was going to want a young player in return (in fact using that assumption to criticize PATFO because of course), and it turns out they didn't care about getting such a player at all. They only cared about picks and cap space.


No, but they are going to need a centerpiece. The notion that they could get a player regarded as top 20, 27 and malleable, for neither that nor Johnson or Murray, is absurd.

See, you immediately slip back into this when it's a different trade. They aren't going to "need a centerpiece" unless that's what they value most in a trade. They, like Houston and New Orleans, may well just like a lot of picks, some decent young players and financial freedom. A team like the Spurs with Kawhi didn't want that. THEY wanted the centerpiece, and they've gotten shit for it ever since. For OKC and George, we don't know, since they got picks and SGA who was only arguably a centerpiece at the time of the trade. I'm sure all of the teams involved would've preferred a ton of picks and a young cheap building block.

And again, you're continuing to misunderstand the point of bringing up those players staying. You could certainly argue that this underscores that Beal isn't valuable enough for the Spurs to trade for, since they wouldn't be able to field even a dark horse team afterwards.

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Bro, I'm harping on it because you very confidently stated that Houston was going to want a young player in return (in fact using that assumption to criticize PATFO because of course), and it turns out they didn't care about getting such a player at all. They only cared about picks and cap space.



See, you immediately slip back into this when it's a different trade. They aren't going to "need a centerpiece" unless that's what they value most in a trade. They, like Houston and New Orleans, may well just like a lot of picks, some decent young players and financial freedom. A team like the Spurs with Kawhi didn't want that. THEY wanted the centerpiece, and they've gotten shit for it ever since. For OKC and George, we don't know, since they got picks and SGA who was only arguably a centerpiece at the time of the trade. I'm sure all of the teams involved would've preferred a ton of picks and a young cheap building block.

And again, you're continuing to misunderstand the point of bringing up those players staying. You could certainly argue that this underscores that Beal isn't valuable enough for the Spurs to trade for, since they wouldn't be able to field even a dark horse team afterwards.

They did, as every credibly insider reported. That didn't mean it'd be a guarantee they'd get it though. In the end, the gulf of picks from the Simmons package to the one they accepted, won out. Still, they received a short term centerpiece type asset who could be rerouted for another pick.

It's what everyone values most in a superstar or star trade. The difference is, the Spurs got the worst type of centerpiece, not nearly enough draft capital and gave up a valuable role player on top of that. Gilgeous-Alexander, while overrated, was definitely a centerpiece at the time of the trade.

[Chinook]

They did, as every credibly insider reported. That didn't mean it'd be a guarantee they'd get it though. In the end, the gulf of picks from the Simmons package to the one they accepted, won out. Still, they received a short term centerpiece type asset who could be rerouted for another pick.

But if they just get another pick for Oladipo, then that's still them just getting a pick. And reports are whatever -- the point is that if a guy like Harden can be traded without the other team getting a centerpiece (and of course LeVert is not a centerpiece at all), then it's not obvious that Washington needs to get one for Beal. The "gulf of picks" is something SA could provide just as easily as Brooklyn did.


It's what everyone values most in a superstar or star trade.

Except you know, Houston.


Gilgeous-Alexander, while overrated, was definitely a centerpiece at the time of the trade.

Eh, I'd say he was close to what Johnson is right now. Intriguing rookie, but I don't think he was make or break. LAC was just that desperate.

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But if they just get another pick for Oladipo, then that's still them just getting a pick. And reports are whatever -- the point is that if a guy like Harden can be traded without the other team getting a centerpiece (and of course LeVert is not a centerpiece at all), then it's not obvious that Washington needs to get one for Beal. The "gulf of picks" is something SA could provide just as easily as Brooklyn did.



Except you know, Houston.



Eh, I'd say he was close to what Johnson is right now. Intriguing rookie, but I don't think he was make or break. LAC was just that desperate.

I doubt it, but maybe they'll keep him. Either way, as a starry name, he still loosely fits a centerpiece profile. Forget about needs, we're talking wants. There's no guarantee though, but that's different than it not being the primary target in all of these types of trades.

Except you know, they did. I'll take logic, history and myriad top insiders reports over Chinook deciding the outcome changed the intent. There's also been conflicing reports that Fertitta didn't want to deal with Morey.

But not in perception. That's something you keep missing. It's not about the metrics or our opinions, it's about the industry consensus.

[SpursDynasty85]

I’d rather Tobias Harris than this guy.

[Chinook]

I doubt it, but maybe they'll keep him. Either way, as a starry name, he still loosely fits a centerpiece profile. Forget about needs, we're talking wants. There's no guarantee though, but that's different than it not being the primary target in all of these types of trades.

"Needs" means what they're willing to accept and "wants" are what they initially ask for/ideally want. Houston may have "wanted" a centerpiece, but they clearly didn't "need" one since they didn't get one. It turns out they, "needed" a bunch of picks, which is why they turned down Simmons even though he theoretically fit that "want"


Except you know, they did. I'll take logic, history and myriad top insiders reports over Chinook deciding the outcome changed the intent. There's also been conflicing reports that Fertitta didn't want to deal with Morey.

Eh, it's not about credibility. It's about fact. It's a fact that Houston didn't value a centerpiece above all else. They factually passed up on one. Even if there is stuff about Morey, that means Houston didn't value not dealing with Morey more than getting a centerpiece.


But not in perception. That's something you keep missing. It's not about the metrics or our opinions, it's about the industry consensus.

Yeah, I think in perception too. SGA blew up last year, not two years ago. Consensus is that someone like Murray is the best player on the Spurs and has been the best prospect for years. You seem fine with thinking teams don't agree with that though.

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"Needs" means what they're willing to accept and "wants" are what they initially ask for/ideally want. Houston may have "wanted" a centerpiece, but they clearly didn't "need" one since they didn't get one. It turns out they, "needed" a bunch of picks, which is why they turned down Simmons even though he theoretically fit that "want"



Eh, it's not about credibility. It's about fact. It's a fact that Houston didn't value a centerpiece above all else. They factually passed up on one. Even if there is stuff about Morey, that means Houston didn't value not dealing with Morey more than getting a centerpiece.



Yeah, I think in perception too. SGA blew up last year, not two years ago. Consensus is that someone like Murray is the best player on the Spurs and has been the best prospect for years. You seem fine with thinking teams don't agree with that though.

They kind of did though. Centerpiece doesn't always mean you land the young, long term one, it just means the team isn't left with someone who can at least masquerade as a featured player or is thought to have the capability to grow into one.

Outside of that, you're just being intentionally obtuse and ignoring the pertinent circumstances that led to them not picking the 76ers package.

Doesn't matter. He had cache after his rookie season. I'm not sure that's consensus. The Spurs certainly didn't think it was, which is why White received $9M more, in a pandemic (which you claimed would depress value) no less.

[TD 21]

Lowe mentioned the Spurs among his teams who you can bet are doing their due dilligence and might be able to get in the mix, but probably wouldn't because they'd have to sell the farm and he wouldn't want to stay.



The Spurs have the assets, but it'd be weird for them to make the move, given how much they'd have to be leveraged to get it done. I think at this point the Spurs can't trust Aldridge to get back to his old form, so the potential upside of a Murray, Beal, DeRozan, Johnson, Aldridge starting lineup probably doesn't have with it needs to be competitive with the rest of the West. Swap LMA out for a good PF and get Poeltl playing well, however...

Honestly, still not my favorite idea. I'm not sure if he's a legit star.

Not because of that, but upon further review, they might be able to get in the game.

They wouldn't be favorites (Nuggets, Pelicans, 76ers, etc.) and it'd probably have to be a 3 team trade, but DeRozan can get them another asset or two. So send him to the third team, then take those assets and include them in the package. Let's say something like Fournier, Bamba, White, Walker and the requisite picks/swaps.

I wouldn't do it though because I can't imagine him wanting to re-sign.

[exstatic]

I’d rather Tobias Harris than this guy.

Yuck. Have you even seen his contract? He’s going to earn $41M in his 32YO season. TH would have been a good to great get anytime on his first or second contract. Now? Not so much.

[SpursDynasty85]

Yuck. Have you even seen his contract? He’s going to earn $41M in his 32YO season. TH would have been a good to great get anytime on his first or second contract. Now? Not so much.

His contract sucks but as long as he makes us contenders for the tenure of the contract it shouldn’t matter. I like that he seems low key and could fit in well as a lifelong Spur. Would roll right into the veteran type contracts and culture we adhere to. He is a great fit for our roster balance.