Ferrari shot selection

[ivanfromwestwood]

Does he go out of his way to take a shity shot every time he shoots the ball? what is the difference of our offense/defense with and without him on the court for all you statisticians. Humor me

[SAGirl]

Better without him. Unnecessary.

[exstatic]

I was honestly shocked at his shot form when he returned. It’s like he makes every shot harder than it has to be. Every time he comes Off of a screen, he’s shooting Before his feet are set, and While still moving sideways.

[Dex]

I was honestly shocked at his shot form when he returned. It’s like he makes every shot harder than it has to be. Every time he comes Off of a screen, he’s shooting Before his feet are set, and While still moving sideways.

Not just his form, but also his aggressiveness.

He is the definition of forcing shots. I first noticed it in preseason and thought, "Well, maybe he's just trying to get shots up and round into form".

20 games in, and things haven't changed much. He is letting in fly at every opportunity, even if it's not an opportune one...and the results haven't been great. It's one thing if he is actually hitting those shots, but if not...he needs to play within himself.

Beli was perfect with the Beautiful Game teams because there wasn't much expected of him, even though he played a lot of minutes. Run the offense, move without the ball, pass up a good shot for a great shot, and shoot open threes...that was his focus.

Now, I have a feeling that the coaching staff are trying to fit him into that Manu spot of being a scorer off the bench. Sadly, I don't think Marco has that in him anymore. He is shooting bad shots before they even have a chance to go from good to great.

[FkLA]

I mean he can't really get his shot off otherwise. Thats who he is. The real problem is him being on the team period. Complete waste of the MLE.

[cd98]

No beautiful game to get him open looks.

[timvp]

I was honestly shocked at his shot form when he returned. It’s like he makes every shot harder than it has to be. Every time he comes Off of a screen, he’s shooting Before his feet are set, and While still moving sideways.

What makes matters worse is he misses the wide open shots and then will hit a few difficult leaners ... so then it's difficult to tell what a good shot looks like for him.

[Fusternino]

I mean he can't really get his shot off otherwise. Thats who he is. The real problem is him being on the team period. Complete waste of the MLE.

Could've had LMAM instead, tbh.

[hater]

https://ddclassics.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/ferrari-enzo-crash-malibu.jpg?w=1200

[TDMVPDPOY]

those stupid leaning jumpers, he makes most of them

but when he pulls straight up for a jumpshot, expect a brick

[ThaBigFundamental21]

No beautiful game to get him open looks.

Yup! My exact thoughts

[ivanfromwestwood]

What makes matters worse is he misses the wide open shots and then will hit a few difficult leaners ... so then it's difficult to tell what a good shot looks like for him.

Exactly. Do you have any stats with him on and off the court Timvp?

[Play Boban]

those stupid leaning jumpers, he makes most of them

but when he pulls straight up for a jumpshot, expect a brick
Truth nuke

[Kobe'sAchilles]

When you practice and shoot in game circus shots like all those leaners and runners, it sometimes becomes uncomfortable when you shoot a regular shot. Sadly this has become the case for the broken down Ferrari

[JPB]

https://ddclassics.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/ferrari-enzo-crash-malibu.jpg?w=1200

Not gonna run that well now.

[timvp]

Exactly. Do you have any stats with him on and off the court Timvp?

The Spurs offense is slightly worse with Belinelli on the court. Their defense is slightly better with him on the court (the bench as a whole has better defensive numbers). Added together, Belinelli's impact is very slightly positive ... but it's still too early in the season to take too much from plus/minus numbers.

[YGWHI]

I wouldn't believe in on-out stats that much.

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However, you need some quantifiable evidence, and currently, the Spurs have a better net rating with DeRozan on the bench than on-court. It’s just tough combined with the record."
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While eye-test says he was our best player early in the season. In many cases I still trust more in what I watch in games than some stats.

[YGWHI]

But I would love to see some graphic about Belli shooting.

[r0drig0lac]

I mean he can't really get his shot off otherwise. Thats who he is. The real problem is him being on the team period. Complete waste of the MLE.

100%

I really do not know why the hell Pop gave him the freedom to shoot every fucking ball he gets, that's some shit Kobe level out there

[Fireball]

he still makes these tough shots but what I hate is that he is missing most of the easy layups he gets from his good cuts

[MaNu4Tres]

Most overrated role player of the past decade.

[MaNu4Tres]

Not just his form, but also his aggressiveness.

He is the definition of forcing shots. I first noticed it in preseason and thought, "Well, maybe he's just trying to get shots up and round into form".

20 games in, and things haven't changed much. He is letting in fly at every opportunity, even if it's not an opportune one...and the results haven't been great. It's one thing if he is actually hitting those shots, but if not...he needs to play within himself.

Beli was perfect with the Beautiful Game teams because there wasn't much expected of him, even though he played a lot of minutes. Run the offense, move without the ball, pass up a good shot for a great shot, and shoot open threes...that was his focus.

Now, I have a feeling that the coaching staff are trying to fit him into that Manu spot of being a scorer off the bench. Sadly, I don't think Marco has that in him anymore. He is shooting bad shots before they even have a chance to go from good to great.

He had a much smaller role than people remember on that 14 team. Most of his minutes were burned during the many lopsided victories or few of the lopsided losses. In the meat of close games, he hardly sniffed the floor.

Again, fans overrate him and his contributions to the 14 team.

[Dex]

He had a much smaller role than people remember on that 14 team. Most of his minutes were burned during the many lopsided victories or few of the lopsided losses. In the meat of close games, he hardly sniffed the floor.

Again, fans overrate him and his contributions to the 14 team.

Marco played in 80 games that season, and played the 2nd most minutes on the team behind only Tim Duncan. He was the third leading scorer on the team behind Tim and Tony. You don't accomplish that by simply doing mop-up duty. He was also the Spurs leading marksmen from three, shooting .430 on the season.

Yes, his role rightfully shrunk in the playoffs when the rotations tightened up, but Beli was an integral part to that team winning 60 games, finishing 1st in the West and securing home court advantage which obviously paved the way to the championship. I have a hard time saying that is overrating him.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Marco played in 80 games that season, and played the 2nd most minutes on the team behind only Tim Duncan. He was the third leading scorer on the team behind Tim and Tony. You don't accomplish that by simply doing mop-up duty. He was also the Spurs leading marksmen from three, shooting .430 on the season.

Yes, his role rightfully shrunk in the playoffs when the rotations tightened up, but Beli was an integral part to that team winning 60 games, finishing 1st in the West and securing home court advantage which obviously paved the way to the championship. I have a hard time saying that is overrating him.

This.

He was a big part of what made the Spurs great that year. He looks like an old man slinging up shots at the local gym this season, though.

[8FOR!3]

I also him make a lot of big shots in the playoffs last year for Philly and some of them were just stupid bad shots like he takes here. Obviously the numbers are bad right now but there's reason for me to believe the law of averages will bring them up at some point this season. 20+ games in and the team still doesn't have much of an identity and guys are struggling to play together and I think that's ok. Certain guys are starting to pick things up from earlier in the season (Mills/Poeltl/etc.) and I think others will soon enough.

[HarlemHeat37]

One of my most disliked Spurs ever, but I'm sure he's going to have a hot streak at some point..he's not as bad as he has played, so far, I would expect him to hit 35%ish..

[DAF86]

Marco played in 80 games that season, and played the 2nd most minutes on the team behind only Tim Duncan. He was the third leading scorer on the team behind Tim and Tony. You don't accomplish that by simply doing mop-up duty. He was also the Spurs leading marksmen from three, shooting .430 on the season.

Yes, his role rightfully shrunk in the playoffs when the rotations tightened up, but Beli was an integral part to that team winning 60 games, finishing 1st in the West and securing home court advantage which obviously paved the way to the championship. I have a hard time saying that is overrating him.

Where are you getting your stats from, son? Beli wasn't the third highest scorer, he wasn't even the 4th. :lol

And in the playoffs he was reduced to a specialist role where he would only play in certain situations and against certain matchups. Belinelli was nothing special in 2014. Swap Belinelli with Gary Neal, Roger Mason or Bryn Forbes and the Spurs still ring.

[Dex]

Where are you getting your stats from, son? Beli wasn't the third highest scorer, he wasn't even the 4th. :lol

And in the playoffs he was reduced to a specialist role where he would only play in certain situations and against certain matchups. Belinelli was nothing special in 2014. Swap Belinelli with Gary Neal, Roger Mason or Bryn Forbes and the Spurs still ring.

https://i.imgur.com/bm34Dnh.png

Not per game, total scoring.

Manu and Kawhi had higher averages but played less games.

[DAF86]

https://i.imgur.com/bm34Dnh.png

Not per game, total scoring.

Manu and Kawhi had higher averages but played less games.

lol using totals.

[Dex]

lol using totals.

lol disputing facts

[DAF86]

lol disputing facts

When you say somebody is "the third highest scorer" everybody understands pts per game. The only reason to use that phrase when talking about totals is to try to make an argument sound better than it is, tbh.

[Dex]

When you say somebody is "the third highest scorer" everybody understands pts per game. The only reason to use that phrase when talking about totals is to try to make an argument sound better than it is, tbh.

He played 14 more games than Kawhi and 12 more than Ginobili, and only averaged one less Point Per Game than they did on the season. He was the guy on the floor keeping the ship on track when they were nursing injuries.

You are chasing pedantic points to try to prove that Marco wasn't an important player to the Spurs in '13-'14, when in reality, he was a big reason why the team was able to manage minutes, rest in 4th quarters, and overall...be ready for redemption against the Heat.

[DAF86]

He played 14 more games than Kawhi and 12 more than Ginobili, and only averaged one less Point Per Game than they did on the season. He was the guy on the floor keeping the ship on track when they were nursing injuries.

You are chasing pedantic points to try to prove that Marco wasn't an important player to the Spurs in '13-'14, when in reality, he was a big reason why the team was able to manage minutes, rest in 4th quarters, and overall...be ready for redemption against the Heat.

Gary Neal, Roger Mason or Bryn Forbes would have been equally as important as Belinelli in '14.

[Dex]

Gary Neal, Roger Mason or Bryn Forbes would have been equally as important as Belinelli in '14.

You have way no way to prove that.

The record shows that the Spurs never won a championship with Neal, Mason, or Forbes.

In fact, I seem to remember Neal choking in Game 6 and 7 of the Finals in '13 when he had a chance.

[DAF86]

You have way no way to prove that.

The record shows that the Spurs never won a championship with Neal, Mason, or Forbes.

In fact, I seem to remember Neal choking in Game 6 and 7 of the Finals in '13 when he had a chance.

Do you really want to compare Neal to Belinelli? :lol

In the exact same matchup, and the exact same role, Neal played 24.5 mpg and scored 10 ppg on 46% shooting from 3, whereas Belinelli was left off the rotation alltogether and only got spare minutes here and there. :lol

[DAF86]

BTW, third straight 30+ loss for this scrub.