Trevor Ariza may be available after the 15th

[SpurPadre]

According to Mark Stein, he might be available. I know he's an old fuck and all but he would still be valuable for us this season. Thoughts?

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/1083/trevor-ariza

[DAF86]

No chance he picks us over other more desirable options. The Rockets would be all over this if it happens.

[BatManu20]

:pop: “Not necessary. We already have Cunningham”

[BatManu20]

Back to HOU if he’s moved imo.

[DAF86]

I commented before reading. I thought the article was going to talk about a buyout. If it's a trade it depends on what the Spurs are willing to give. I wouldn't give away players like White, Murray, Bertans or Walker, tbh.

[TheCerebral1]

No thanks this team is old enough. It needs to be dismantled immediately. This improves NOTHING.

[NASpurs]

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[slick'81]

Hope u like phoenix patty

[NASpurs]

Hope u like phoenix patty

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[r0drig0lac]

Back to HOU if he’s moved imo.

impossible

[DAF86]

Ariza for Mills is a no brainer for the Spurs if the Suns accept. In paper, it should make the team better now by finally getting that 3 and D guy we are so desperate for. And even if it doesn't pan out, we would be turning Mills' contract into 15 expiring millions.

I really, really, really, really wish I could say that PATFO would do it if they have the chance, but I doubt it. They will probably stick with their retarded "loyalty" bullshit.

[cool cat]

Ariza for Mills is a no brainer for the Spurs if the Suns accept. In paper, it should make the team better now by finally getting that 3 and D guy we are so desperate for. And even if it doesn't pan out, we would be turning Mills' contract into 15 expiring millions.

I really, really, really, really wish I could say that PATFO would do it if they have the chance, but I doubt it. They will probably stick with their retarded "loyalty" bullshit.

But... the leadership... who will teach Forbes how to play defense?

[jermaine]

I want this so bad. A vet that's not scared. I know he struggled in the playoffs last yr, but I'd take that chance.

[BatManu20]

Ariza for Mills is a no brainer for the Spurs if the Suns accept. In paper, it should make the team better now by finally getting that 3 and D guy we are so desperate for. And even if it doesn't pan out, we would be turning Mills' contract into 15 expiring millions.

I really, really, really, really wish I could say that PATFO would do it if they have the chance, but I doubt it. They will probably stick with their retarded "loyalty" bullshit.

Suns could get better offs anyways imo but you’re right, Spurs wouldn’t make that trade. Patty is too valuable to the locker room, culture, etc etc in PATFO’s mind. He’s not going anywhere.

[SpurPadre]

I commented before reading. I thought the article was going to talk about a buyout. If it's a trade it depends on what the Spurs are willing to give. I wouldn't give away players like White, Murray, Bertans or Walker, tbh.

Bertans is expendable dude. I'd give up Bertans, Belinelli and Forbes for Ariza and a 2nd round pick. The money would match, tbh.

[DAF86]

Bertans is expendable dude. I'd give up Bertans, Belinelli and Forbes for Ariza and a 2nd round pick. The money would match, tbh.

Nah. Specially not for a dude that might pretty well be done, tbh.

[Leetonidas]

Depends on if he wants a ring or playing time. We have no SF so he would be guaranteed minutes here. Still think he goes to a better team though, maybe Philly or GS or even LA

[JPB]

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And people think Patty's contract's s bad...

[SpurPadre]

Nah. Specially not for a dude that might pretty well be done, tbh.

If we want to make the most out of LMA and DeRozan and actually be respectable contenders, I'd rather have Ariza over Bertans, tbh. He still plays better defense than most players on our team.

[SpurPadre]

And people think Patty's contract's s bad...

He's better than Patty, so yeah, Patty's is worse.

[slick'81]

And people think Patty's contract's s bad...

But atleast arizas is expiring

[spurraider21]

they should be able to get something for him. he's a serviceable role player on a nice expiring deal.

but he's just what the spurs need tbh. a SF who can defend and not be a total offensive liability... or a SF who can hit 3's and not be a total defensive liability

[DAF86]

If we want to make the most out of LMA and DeRozan and actually be respectable contenders, I'd rather have Ariza over Bertans, tbh. He still plays better defense than most players on our team.

Swapping Ariza for Bertans wouldn't really move the needle much, tbh. And if Ariza is actually done, it would make us even worse. Swapping Ariza for one of our midgets (Mills or Forbes) is what could make a difference.

[JPB]

But atleast arizas is expiring

Yes, I get that ) I was referring to his whole contract. Morey the guru overpaid, just like he overpaid for CP3 and probably Capela.

[Dverde]

Spurs are all aboard the Gay train. Choo Choo! No stops ahead this season.

[SpurPadre]

Swapping Ariza for Bertans wouldn't really move the needle much, tbh. And if Ariza is actually done, it would make us even worse. Swapping Ariza for one of our midgets (Mills or Forbes) is what could make a difference.

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer Bertans stay and Mills and Forbes be traded instead but the money has to match.

[8FOR!3]

I'd be all over trying to get Ariza in San Antonio. And a Patty Mills trade would make some sense for both sides. Not excited about losing Patty, because he's played better this year than most people give him credit for, but with Forbes playing the de facto starting point and with White and Walker/Belinelli at PG and SG, it'd make a lot more sense to have another SF especially one who can play defense.

[DAF86]

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer Bertans stay and Mills and Forbes be traded instead but the money has to match.

Mills contract marches up better with Arizas, than Bertans, tbh.

[SpurPadre]

Mills contract marches up better with Arizas, than Bertans, tbh.

But a one for one wouldn't work. Someone else would have to be added, tbh.

[venitian navigator]

mills and belinelli for ariza and bender?

[MoSpur02]

I doubt the Spurs front office would move Mills and I don't think the Phoenix Suns see Patty Mills as their solution to their point guard problem. I would love Ariza on the Spurs though.

[TD 21]

Obviously Mills for Ariza would be ideal, but the Spurs wouldn't do it. The Suns might, but would probably want a minor asset attached.

Bertans, Belinelli and Pondexter works. Already loaded with youth, in desperate need of 3-point shooting and basically done with Anderson already, the Suns might do this, with the idea being Bertans would be more valuable than something like a 2nd round pick or two.

Unless Pop actually plans to give Bertans a consistent role going forward (doubtful), Spurs might have interest too. Sign Babbitt as a replacement . . .

Starters: Gay, Ariza, Aldridge, DeRozan, Forbes
Bench: Mills, Gasol, White, Cunningham, Babbitt, Poeltl, Walker
Deep bench/G-League/inactive: Metu, Moore, Eubanks, Murray

[tbdog]

Bertans is expendable dude. I'd give up Bertans, Belinelli and Forbes for Ariza and a 2nd round pick. The money would match, tbh.

Who needs 3 pointers? Not us according to you.

[TheGreatYacht]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if PATFO mortgaged our future to make the playoffs and get swept. Can't go out in the lottery, no no no. Here's the Toronto pick for an old scrub on a 1 year contract.

[sammy]

Swapping Ariza for Bertans wouldn't really move the needle much, tbh. And if Ariza is actually done, it would make us even worse. Swapping Ariza for one of our midgets (Mills or Forbes) is what could make a difference.

:lol:lol:lol

[SpurPadre]

Who needs 3 pointers? Not us according to you.

Ariza would give us 3 pointers WITH defense. Funny concept, huh?

[look_at_g_shred]

Ariza would give us 3 pointers WITH defense. Funny concept, huh?
That has now become a fallacy.

[Lonnie Walker IV]

Trading 2nd best Spur. :lmao :lmao

[Down Under]

IIRC the Rockets were better with Ariza off the floor last year as well?

[TheGreatYacht]

Ariza is quickly becoming one of the most overrated players in the league. Only Iguodala's corpse comes close, who funny enough PATFO were chasing in free agency :lol

His departure is not the reason Rockets are losing games. Injuries and CP3's decline are.

10/21 loss to Clippers - no CP3
10/24 loss to Jazz - no CP3
10/26 loss to Clippers - no Harden
10/30 loss to Blazers - no Harden
11/08 loss to Thunder - no Gordon
11/24 loss to Cavs - no CP3
11/26 loss to Wizards - no CP3
11/28 loss to Mavs - no CP3

Thats 8 out of their total 12 losses where they were missing one of their best players.

[SpurPadre]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if PATFO mortgaged our future to make the playoffs and get swept. Can't go out in the lottery, no no no. Here's the Toronto pick for an old scrub on a 1 year contract.

That Toronto pick isn't gonna be worth shit unless Mute Cancer gets a REAL injury.

[TheGreatYacht]

That Toronto pick isn't gonna be worth shit unless Mute Cancer gets a REAL injury.
First round pick/4 year rookie contract >>> washed up POS on a 1yr deal

Use it in a package with our own pick to move. Doesn't matter, still better than pulling off win-now moves with a hideous roster like this one.

[SpurPadre]

Ariza is quickly becoming one of the most overrated players in the league. Only Iguodala's corpse comes close, who funny enough PATFO were chasing in free agency :lol

His departure is not the reason Rockets are losing games. Injuries and CP3's decline are.

10/21 loss to Clippers - no CP3
10/24 loss to Jazz - no CP3
10/26 loss to Clippers - no Harden
10/30 loss to Blazers - no Harden
11/08 loss to Thunder - no Gordon
11/24 loss to Cavs - no CP3
11/26 loss to Wizards - no CP3
11/28 loss to Mavs - no CP3

Thats 8 out of their total 12 losses where they were missing one of their best players.

Can you say with a straight face that our current scrubs outside DeRozan, Gay and LMA are better than Ariza?

[TheGreatYacht]

Can you say with a straight face that our current scrubs outside DeRozan, Gay and LMA are better than Ariza?
I can say with a straight face that we're fucked with or without a washed up Ariza :lol All the more reason to not mortgage our future for Pop's pride.

[SpurPadre]

First round pick/4 year rookie contract >>> washed up POS on a 1yr deal

Use it in a package with our own pick to move. Doesn't matter, still better than pulling off win-now moves with a hideous roster like this one.

I get what you're saying but I don't see PATFO settling for not making the playoffs. In that case, getting Ariza now would make sense.

[SAGirl]

And people think Patty's contract's s bad...
That was a one year deal and the Suns overpaid bc they are sucking really hard and it's the only way to get a veteran to join their team. Paddy's deal was 4 years and well you know the rest. Not the same universe.

[TheGreatYacht]

I get what you're saying but I don't see PATFO settling for not making the playoffs. In that case, getting Ariza now would make sense.
If they can trade one of our scrubs to do it, then :tu

[SAGirl]

Trading 2nd best Spur. :lmao :lmao
Don't worry he's not getting traded. If anything, Bertans might, and I still think Pop doesn't like midseason trades.

[TD 21]

Ariza would be more about what he and a trade would represent (a competent 3 and D wing and better roster balance) than his current caliber. He's definitely on the edge of the cliff, they damn sure shouldn't give up any future asset for him and probably shouldn't even part with Bertans (if Pop were willing to give him a consistent role).

[SAGirl]

/

Ariza would help more for what he and a trade would represent (a competent 3 and D wing and better roster balance) than his current caliber. He's definitely on the edge of the cliff, they damn sure shouldn't give up any future asset for him and probably shouldn't even part with Bertans (if Pop were willing to give him a consistent role).

A good question is, if you have Ariza, what playing time is Bertans going to get? He might want to get the heck out of dodge I am thinking. You know Pop is not going to cut minutes to his legion of guards. If there is a SF incoming it's like Bertans minutes are getting cut. Just a though. Still I am not sure on this, I'd give Davis a few more games to see if he is working out in the SL for real b4 pulling the trigger on something like this. I haven't watched Ariza but playing in an awful team, PJ Tucker looked pretty miserable in the Suns too.

[BackHome]

Tired of getting old broke down bitches Not No But Hell No!!

We need a house cleaning party and to do that we have to be in the lottery to get a reall starter WHO can actually play offense and defense. So right off the bat we can have a good KY replacement. That will leave us with late first and a high second pick which we can use up to maybe move up in draft or help with a trade.

[TD 21]

/A good question is, if you have Ariza, what playing time is Bertans going to get? He might want to get the heck out of dodge I am thinking. You know Pop is not going to cut minutes to his legion of guards. If there is a SF incoming it's like Bertans minutes are getting cut. Just a though. Still I am not sure on this, I'd give Davis a few more games to see if he is working out in the SL for real b4 pulling the trigger on something like this. I haven't watched Ariza but playing in an awful team, PJ Tucker looked pretty miserable in the Suns too.

I don't see it, but to answer your question: Hypothetically, acquiring Ariza while retaining Bertans = Cunningham being excised from the rotation and some combination of Gay, Belinelli, Bertans playing slightly less.

No matter how well the team functions or he plays offensively, Bertans isn't a long term answer in the starting lineup any more than Forbes is.

The question is, do they plan on his being a rotational staple altogether long term? If they do, it's debatable. If not, it's a no brainer.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Obviously Mills for Ariza would be ideal, but the Spurs wouldn't do it. The Suns might, but would probably want a minor asset attached.

Bertans, Belinelli and Pondexter works. Already loaded with youth, in desperate need of 3-point shooting and basically done with Anderson already, the Suns might do this, with the idea being Bertans would be more valuable than something like a 2nd round pick or two.

Unless Pop actually plans to give Bertans a consistent role going forward (doubtful), Spurs might have interest too. Sign Babbitt as a replacement . . .

Starters: Gay, Ariza, Aldridge, DeRozan, Forbes
Bench: Mills, Gasol, White, Cunningham, Babbitt, Poeltl, Walker
Deep bench/G-League/inactive: Metu, Moore, Eubanks, Murray
Spurs can get something better than Ariza in return from another team with those players, Ariza sucks.

[RC_Drunkford]

Trading 3 players for Ariza would make this team even less deep, so no.

Trading Mills for Ariza is what has to happen. Not only would Ariza be the 2nd best forward and 2nd best defender on the roster, but he's an expiring. Moving Mills is essential to improving the roster in the offseason. If they don't move him we can basically forget to sign anybody worth more than a 10 million per year salary. That alone should be a no brainer. Mills gone and Gasol contract frees up about 27 million for next offseason. Of course they shouldn't resign Ariza unless it's for dead cheap (5 Mill)

Another reason why you do this trade is cause now they could start White and move Forbes to the bench. No more Pop avoiding to play 2 midgets together since he would only have one left.

White/DeRozan/Ariza/Gay/Aldridge would actually be decent on defense

Forbes/Walker/Cunningham/Bertans/Poeltl would also be decent on defense


and Pop definitely doesn't make that trade

[SAGirl]

I don't see it, but to answer your question: Hypothetically, acquiring Ariza while retaining Bertans = Cunningham being excised from the rotation and some combination of Gay, Belinelli, Bertans playing slightly less.

No matter how well the team functions or he plays offensively, Bertans isn't a long term answer in the starting lineup any more than Forbes is.

The question is, do they plan on his being a rotational staple altogether long term? If they do, it's debatable. If not, it's a no brainer.
What would be your trade then? Bc frankly, I don't see Mills getting traded, Pop likely feels he's crucial to the team and he's only got one PG otherwise this season and he's a practical rook (White).

thanks for answering the initial question. :tu

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Ariza would give us 3 pointers WITH defense. Funny concept, huh? Ariza sucks, he's one of the reasons Houston didn't advance in the playoffs. I wouldn't trade Bertans straight up for him.

[SAGirl]

Trading 3 players for Ariza would make this team even less deep, so no.

Trading Mills for Ariza is what has to happen. Not only would Ariza be the 2nd best forward and 2nd best defender on the roster, but he's an expiring. Moving Mills is essential to improving the roster in the offseason. If they don't move him we can basically forget to sign anybody worth more than a 10 million per year salary. That alone should be a no brainer. Mills gone and Gasol contract frees up about 27 million for next offseason.

Another reason why you do this trade is cause now they could start White and move Forbes to the bench. No more Pop avoiding to play 2 midgets together since he would only have one left.

White/DeRozan/Ariza/Gay/Aldridge would actually be decent on defense

Forbes/Walker/Cunningham/Bertans/Poeltl would also be decent on defense


and Pop definitely doesn't make that trade
It makes sense. Too much sense. I'd have to say though, that I think Mills with all his limitations is probably still a better player than Forbes... but the difference is so marginal that it doesn't cost 9 millions difference between them.

[SAGirl]

Ariza sucks, he's one of the reasons Houston didn't advance in the playoffs. I wouldn't trade Bertans straight up for him.
I am not a champion for Ariza tbh, but there were many reasons Houston didn't advance, there's many reasons the Spurs didn't advance either. Bertans also played in the playoffs last year.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Just draft a SF in June. That's the better answer then all this trading for crap players. The year was lost anyways when Muray went down

[KimmyGib]

Acquiring Ariza could likely be the difference between making the playoffs or not. He may be getting old but he's still exactly the type of player this current team desperately needs. Still, is another early playoff exit the way to go? I'd say no, unless the priority is not allowing Pop to look bad before he hangs it up.

[RC_Drunkford]

Just draft a SF in June. That's the better answer then all this trading for crap players. The year was lost anyways when Muray went down

how about drafting one and being able to sign another one with cap space? Wouldn't that be even better? It's not like we are loaded with 3-and-D wings

[TD 21]

:lmao Bertans is the only one with value. Like I said, it just comes down to what they see his role being long term.


Dumping Belinelli would be addition by subtraction and replacing his minutes with a combination of Babbitt/Walker would be fine.

Pondexter is irrelevant. Sign a young PG to fill his spot.

They're likely going to end up chasing the Carroll's and Ariza's of the world in the off season anyway, offering the MLE. Outside of that and draft picks, the roster is mostly set.



What would be your trade then? Bc frankly, I don't see Mills getting traded, Pop likely feels he's crucial to the team and he's only got one PG otherwise this season and he's a practical rook (White).


thanks for answering the initial question.

:tu


Mills, of course. But they wouldn't.

No problem.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

Nobody is getting traded. Pop is still hasn't even figured out his line ups and Aldridge is still learning how to play with DeRozan. They ain't going to trade for someone right now and throw him in the starting line up.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

how about drafting one and being able to sign another one with cap space? Wouldn't that be even better? It's not like we are loaded with 3-and-D wings
I do like that idea better but I just dont like the names anyone is bringing up. Last time I saw ariza he set an NBA record for most 3 pointers missed without a make so that may be clouding my judgement tbh.

[RC_Drunkford]

I do like that idea better but I just dont like the names anyone is bringing up. Last time I saw ariza he set an NBA record for most 3 pointers missed without a make so that may be clouding my judgement tbh.

He's still better than Dante Cunningham and Cunningham is getting valuable rotation minutes. I'm not saying resign him. But with the Mills salary gone they can easily sign Danny Green back or go after somebody younger. Bring in a quality role player for 15-20 million.

[RC_Drunkford]

this is the ideal scenario to me. You move Mills, draft a SF, sign another 3-and-D wing with cap space and try to get Stanley Johnson with one of the exceptions. That would give you 4 good forwards + Ben Moore

[TD 21]

Nobody is getting traded. Pop is still hasn't even figured out his line ups and Aldridge is still learning how to play with DeRozan. They ain't going to trade for someone right now and throw him in the starting line up.

There's nothing to figure out. The roster makes no sense any way you slice it. 3 and D wings, especially veteran ones, are the easiest players to incorporate.

This probably won't happen because any trade is unlikely, but it's realistic enough to think it's possible. If not it, something has to give. They can't seriously think they can maintain this roster throughout the season and remain competitive.

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

I am not a champion for Ariza tbh, but there were many reasons Houston didn't advance, there's many reasons the Spurs didn't advance either. Bertans also played in the playoffs last year.Yeah, but how long has Ariza been the starting SF for Houston? And I didn't say he was the reason but one of the reasons. At this point in their careers Bertans has more up side.

[r0drig0lac]

how about drafting one and being able to sign another one with cap space? Wouldn't that be even better? It's not like we are loaded with 3-and-D wings

this

[tbdog]

Ariza would give us 3 pointers WITH defense. Funny concept, huh?

35% on threes compared to 44%, 42% and 32%. And it's not like Ariza is a great defender anymore. And it's not like Ariza can create a 3 by himself.

[mexicanjunior]

Why would he come here?

[DAF86]

Why would he come here?

Because he has no say on where the Suns trade him.

[99 Problems]

No need chums. Down at the gas station I heard getting Captain Jack and Worldpeace.

[duncan2k5]

If we want to make the most out of LMA and DeRozan and actually be respectable contenders, I'd rather have Ariza over Bertans, tbh. He still plays better defense than most players on our team.

Contenders? For what???? Lmfao!!!

[james evans]

Ariza for Mills is a no brainer for the Spurs if the Suns accept. In paper, it should make the team better now by finally getting that 3 and D guy we are so desperate for. And even if it doesn't pan out, we would be turning Mills' contract into 15 expiring millions.

I really, really, really, really wish I could say that PATFO would do it if they have the chance, but I doubt it. They will probably stick with their retarded "loyalty" bullshit.
Popovich wouldn’t trade Mills for Durant. He’s a lifer.

[BatManu20]

John Wall? Otto Porter? Who’s it gonna be. And who are the other teams.

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[RC_Drunkford]

John Wall? Otto Porter? Who’s it gonna be. And who are the other teams.

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bout to ship out Austin Rivers

[Realdeal1]

Damn

[NASpurs]

:lol Lakers

[timvp]

John Wall? Otto Porter? Who’s it gonna be. And who are the other teams.

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Porter would make more sense in that the Suns get a talent for a salary dump and Ariza fills Porter's spot in the rotation.

But maybe Sarver got tired of being called cheap and decided to trade for John Wall and his worst contract in the NBA :lol

That'd be one way to fill their point guard void, even though it'd be a damn dumb move by the Suns.

[skin27]

I think Ariza already played for the wizards before..

[Duncan87]

Wow Oubre to Memphis

[Seventyniner]

Porter would make more sense in that the Suns get a talent for a salary dump and Ariza fills Porter's spot in the rotation.

But maybe Sarver got tired of being called cheap and decided to trade for John Wall and his worst contract in the NBA :lol

That'd be one way to fill their point guard void, even though it'd be a damn dumb move by the Suns.

Oh god, if Sarver trades for Wall I will laugh so damn hard. That might be the best player/contract combo in the league to tank with.

[timvp]

Wow Oubre to Memphis

RIP Kyle Anderson Memphis Savior
2018-2018

[Chinook]

We'll have to see what the Grizzlies ultimately gave up for Oubre, but I like the move.

Suns are likely going to release some guys to make the numbers work. Maybe someone okay becomes available.

[timvp]

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Phoenix's answer at point guard is Austin Rivers :lol

[NASpurs]

RIP Kyle Anderson Memphis Savior
2018-2018

:lmao

[NASpurs]

We'll have to see what the Grizzlies ultimately gave up for Oubre, but I like the move.

Suns are likely going to release some guys to make the numbers work. Maybe someone okay becomes available.

MarShon Brooks and Wayne Seldon

[Chinook]

MarShon Brooks and Wayne Seldon

Think it was the other Brooks.

Still waiting to see who Phoenix cuts to fit three new guys on their roster.

[MoSpur02]

I'm not sure what team is a bigger mess, the Suns or the Bulls?

[Mr. Body]

Memphis gets better. Wizards... whatever. Suns are a disaster.

[ace3g]

lol lol lol

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1073788019956703234

[timvp]

lol lol lol

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1073788019956703234

:lmao

[Chinook]

Memphis tried to pull a bait and switch with those names. No idea why they thought they'd get away with what is otherwise a shit package if they included nothing of value.

[bklynspursfan]

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[bklynspursfan]

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[MoSpur02]

Memphis is out. So as of right now the deal is dead. Suns and Wizards still want to get a deal done, but need a new third team involved.

[Chinook]

Seems like Oubre could be had for cheap now.

[timvp]

Memphis tried to pull a bait and switch with those names. No idea why they thought they'd get away with what is otherwise a shit package if they included nothing of value.

:lol Hollinger doing work. Can't even blame them. Three-team deal with two of the worst organizations in the league. Complete trade on a last-name basis and then leak the agreement to Woj in an attempt to lock it in.

Well played.

[NASpurs]

Happiest person out of all this: Kyle Fathead Anderson.

[marinoman]

Lol at how the trade died

[NASpurs]

Seems like Oubre could be had for cheap now.

Cunningham cheap? :lol

[Spurs da champs]

:lol Memphis, they're allergic to promising wings it seems.

[BatManu20]

Memphis trying to pull a fast one on PHX :lol



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[BatManu20]

Don’t blame them for trying tbh. Sarver is such a dumbass he might’ve gone through with it before James Jones could intervene :lol

[BatManu20]

:rollin

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[Degoat]

I always hope the spurs make a trade, never happens we’re gonna ride or die with this team lol

[Mr. Body]

"Memphis and Phoenix finally talked." What in sam hell is this? Were they just faxing notes to each other? And lulz to be MarShon Brooks. You're the bad Brooks, bro.

[SAGirl]

Memphis tried to pull a bait and switch with those names. No idea why they thought they'd get away with what is otherwise a shit package if they included nothing of value.
Saw a tweet that this deal was brokered by Washington. Memphis and the Suns never dealt or talked to each other. Miscommunication came from the Wizards.

[SAGirl]

"Memphis and Phoenix finally talked." What in sam hell is this? Were they just faxing notes to each other? And lulz to be MarShon Brooks. You're the bad Brooks, bro.
Wizards put together this deal basically separately with each oh the other teams involved, then prematurely leaked it b4 everyone was on the same page.

[ace3g]

??

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1073816928349798400

[marinoman]

I remember Jabari in the summer tweeting "Spurs fans about to be spoiled”, next day kawhi demands a trade

[Duncan87]

Jabari should have left to Toronto dudes reporting never makes sense

[Duncan87]

Gay >>>>>>>>>>> Ariza. At this point

[Chinook]

Wizards put together this deal basically separately with each oh the other teams involved, then prematurely leaked it b4 everyone was on the same page.

Subsequent tweets have come out to suggest that even after the two teams talked, the Suns still believed it was Dillion coming back. Memphis only tried to work Marshon into this at the last minute.

[Chinook]

??

https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1073816928349798400

Think he's saying that Sarver hates both teams equally but that PATFO wanted Ariza. Not too surprising. Wonder if they would want Oubre but can't get in the deal because Phoenix won't allow it. That would be legit fucked up.

[Duncan87]

Never made sense for Ariza to Suns what a dumbass

[SAGirl]

Subsequent tweets have come out to suggest that even after the two teams talked, the Suns still believed it was Dillion coming back. Memphis only tried to work Marshon into this at the last minute.
From my perception the deal was brokered by Wash and leaked without Memphis and Suns talking, they did after to see if the trade could be salvaged but Memphis never meant to trade Dillon Brooks. I don’t think he was ever offered. They are high on him and he’s restricted until 2021 or something. Suns got greedy.

[marinoman]

So no chance of ariza for us, hope Houston doesn’t get him.

[SAGirl]

Think he's saying that Sarver hates both teams equally but that PATFO wanted Ariza. Not too surprising. Wonder if they would want Oubre but can't get in the deal because Phoenix won't allow it. That would be legit fucked up.
Can’t put too much stock on Jabari speculation specially as it concerns GM and management. When he’s had sources they usually come from player’s camp. That’s his angle.

[BWS-1994]

LOL @ Dillon Brooks’ tweet: GoGrizz ��

[Chinook]

From my perception the deal was brokered by Wash and leaked without Memphis and Suns talking, they did after to see if the trade could be salvaged but Memphis never meant to trade Dillon Brooks. I don’t think he was ever offered. They are high on him and he’s restricted until 2021 or something. Suns got greedy.

Tweets suggested that Washington is really the third team in all this, and that Dillion was already being discussed between Memphis and Phoenix. Doesn't seem like there was legit confusion. Memphis just seems to be lying, because there's no way they could have thought they were offering a fair deal for Oubre with Marshon in there.

[RC_Drunkford]

Oubre for Forbes works salary wise

[SAGirl]

Tweets suggested that Washington is really the third team in all this, and that Dillion was already being discussed between Memphis and Phoenix. Doesn't seem like there was legit confusion. Memphis just seems to be lying, because there's no way they could have thought they were offering a fair deal for Oubre with Marshon in there.

Whether there’s other trades not involving Washington discussed between the Suns and Grizzlies teams, who knows, but as to this particular trade, I am going by Woj. He was very clear this deal was brokered by Washington and Suns and Memphis only talked to each other after. Washington was/is still looking for a team to help facilitate it and I do think Grizzlies got opportunistic with getting themselves into this trade to take advantage of the situation, but they never intended to trade Dillon in that particular deal. It just wasn’t worth it for them.

Then of course the Suns and Washington are going to spin things differently. Suns were getting the better part of that deal getting 1 backup PG, a good prospect wing in team control 2 other seasons and 2 picks for a half a year of Trevor Ariza. It wouldn’t surprise if this leak came from the Suns.

Suns might just as much have wanted to pull a fast one on the Grizzlies. Think about it. Think it was totally right for Grizzlies to pull out bc they had interest in Oubre but not that badly.

[TheGreatYacht]

Oubre for Forbes works salary wise
Wouldn't do it. Forbes is signed for another year for dirt cheap while Oubre turns into a restricted free agent over the summer.

Oubre, Lonnie, and Murray would be an Instagram dream team though

[SAGirl]

Oubre for Forbes works salary wise
If you look at Washington targeting Ariza you kind of get a profile of who they are want. Forbes isn’t it.

I do think Forbes has some value around the league but unless you want to include picks, take salary dumps or something else that’s a non starter.

[TheGreatYacht]

Patty Mills and Bryn Forbes for Austin Rivers' expiring contract works though.....

[RC_Drunkford]

If you look at Washington targeting Ariza you kind of get a profile of who they are want. Forbes isn’t it.

I do think Forbes has some value around the league but unless you want to include picks, take salary dumps or something else that’s a non starter.

Washington doesn't get Forbes, Phoenix does. The Grizzlies players were never going to the Wizards either

[JPB]

If you look at Washington targeting Ariza you kind of get a profile of who they are want. Forbes isn’t it.

I do think Forbes has some value around the league but unless you want to include picks, take salary dumps or something else that’s a non starter.

Not so sure about Forbes value... I'd think most GMs would see him as a pure product of spurs system that would be worthless anywhere else... Gary Neal says hi.

[RC_Drunkford]

Wouldn't do it. Forbes is signed for another year for dirt cheap while Oubre turns into a restricted free agent over the summer.

Oubre, Lonnie, and Murray would be an Instagram dream team though

yes, but the only way for them to sign a starting SF next season is to trade for one. They can resign him with bird rights and he shouldn't cost too much, plus he's young. One of Forbes/Mills got to go and while it should be Mills due to his salary, it won't be him cause leadership

[TheGreatYacht]

yes, but the only way for them to sign a starting SF next season is to trade for one. They can resign him with bird rights and he shouldn't cost too much, plus he's young. One of Forbes/Mills got to go and while it should be Mills due to his salary, it won't be him cause leadership
You're right. No young player entering their prime is willingly coming here.

Murray, Oubre, Walker, White, Poeltl and two first round picks isn't a bad group of young players.

[skin27]

I like espn’s idea of trading Gasol,Murray and walker for wall..

that if te spurs really wants to compete this season

[Chinook]

^:vomit:

[skin27]

^:vomit:

LMA/gay/derozan/white/wall staring 5 would be great..

[Chinook]

LMA/gay/derozan/white/wall staring 5 would be great..

First, that wouldn't be great. DeRozan still hasn't figured out how to play with LMA and White yet. Adding Wall just makes it worse. The last thing the SL needs is another ball-dominant player who can't shoot. Second, the team would be near the tax next year even if they let go of all their free agents. Hell, just signing their picks might get them over the tax line:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=20137278935c14cf4c6bd48903257871

And that team is still likely to be missing any defensive wing. Wall's a garbage contract. He's not even that good of a player on top of it.

[timtonymanu]

I’d rather give Patty another 50 million than have Wall anywhere near the Spurs. All he is is a big name.

[skin27]

Lol the overacting..

fine..let’s just wait what Murray can become in the next few years.

[UnWantedTheory]

Lol the overacting..

fine..let’s just wait what Murray can become in the next few years.
No it isn't, just common sense. You seem to be stuck on a name rather than fit or talent. His contract isn't worth his production, especially being a difficult person.

[skin27]

No it isn't, just common sense. You seem to be stuck on a name rather than fit or talent. His contract isn't worth his production, especially being a difficult person.


today’s nba isn’t all about whether you fit or not in the system anymore, it’s all about getting allstars and build a super team..

[r0drig0lac]

Gay >>>>>>>>>>> Ariza. ever

fixed

[Robz4000]

today’s nba isn’t all about whether you fit or not in the system anymore, it’s all about getting allstars and build a super team..

How'd that work out for the L:lolkers and T'Pups tbh?

[Dverde]

Wow Washington has such a terrible front office. WTF are they doing? People acting like Ariza going to be a savior.

[duncan2150]

Wow Washington has such a terrible front office. WTF are they doing? People acting like Ariza going to be a savior.

They made some bad choices and They probable don’t have the money for oubre next summer

[r0drig0lac]

Porter would really be ideal (due to its age to be our starter in SF for a long time),but Morris and Green would be two guys I'd like to have on the team this season

[skin27]

Wow Washington has such a terrible front office. WTF are they doing? People acting like Ariza going to be a savior.


ariza already played for Washington before but did nothing

[Dverde]

Maybe the thought was getting Ariza let’s them move Otto Porter next. It would give them some cap space for next year. Assuming they get expiring contracts for him. Still think this is very dumb on their end. I get The Suns, Grizz, part of it

[r0drig0lac]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1073981835078787075

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1073981950392786944

[Chinook]

Pretty straight-forward, all things considered. The Suns did nothing to alleviate their wing bottleneck, though.

[Fusternino]

Total fleece by the Suns, IMO.

[TheGreatYacht]

Do whatever it takes to get Mikal Bridges

[Chinook]

Do whatever it takes to get Mikal Bridges

Might require trading Mills or Forbes to fill the Suns PG need. Doubt Pop goes that far just to boost the Toros' title chances.

[TheGreatYacht]

Might require trading Mills or Forbes to fill the Suns PG need. Doubt Pop goes that far just to boost the Toros' title chances.
:lol so true

[DPG21920]

Wow Washington has such a terrible front office. WTF are they doing? People acting like Ariza going to be a savior.

This trade isn’t bad for them and Rivers Oubre sucks

Ariza has an expiring deal and is prob better than River + Oubre. It was a pointless deal for both teams but WAS needed to start bringing better locker room guys in which they did.

PHX is stupid. This did nothing for them, brought two questionable characters into an already losing young team and didn’t even net a pick when multiple teams were wanting Ariza?

Now you are going to have Swaggy Ps broke uncle chucking away trying to get a big contract. Suns are terrible.

[Nivek_ogre]

That Phoenix gm is terrible. No reason to sign Ariza in the first place. Now you bring in two chuckers who already hit their ceiling while killing Jackson's and Bridges development.

[FutureMan]

Might require trading Mills or Forbes to fill the Suns PG need. Doubt Pop goes that far just to boost the Toros' title chances.

Do it. If they even have to throw in a pick to make it work. Bridges would be the best prospect the Spurs have had since Leonard.

[Duncan87]

Realgm has Kawhi focused on LA and home lol. Raptors

[Dverde]

Realgm has Kawhi focused on LA and home lol. Raptors

Lebron will never let them sign Nephew. Lebron only wants to win on his terms. Maybe Clippers, GSW, or Kings. I honestly believe he wants to be in Cali, doesn’t care what team.

[Fusternino]

Unbelievable.

Even getting Oubre for a washed Ariza is fantastic. Much cheaper than OPJ. Way more upside too.

I've give up Forbes for Oubre in a heartbeat.

[mo7888]

One thing seems certain, the suns are going to trade at least one of their young wings. We should be on the phone..

[NASpurs]

One thing seems certain, the suns are going to trade at least one of their young wings. We should be on the phone..

Theyre not going to trade with us just like Pop didn’t want to trade with the Lakers.

[r0drig0lac]

One thing seems certain, the suns are going to trade at least one of their young wings. We should be on the phone..

[RD2191]

Patfo should've made a move. Embarrassing front office. No wonder Kawhi left. Suns basically got Oubre for free.

[Beartrucci]

Patfo should've made a move. Embarrassing front office. No wonder Kawhi left. Suns basically got Oubre for free.

Isn't he kind of a malcontent with attitude problems?

[RD2191]

Isn't he kind of a malcontent with attitude problems?

Don't know and honestly don't care tbh.

[Fusternino]

Yes he is but he's still cheap and Suns basically gave up nothing.

[Mr. Body]

Some seem under the impression that Oubre us a good player.

[r0drig0lac]

Yes he is but he's still cheap and Suns basically gave up nothing.

[RD2191]

Some seem under the impression that Oubre us a good player.

I forgot we have nothing but all stars on our roster.

[SpurPadre]

I forgot we have nothing but all stars on our roster.

Haven't you heard that Forbes is Curry 2.0?! :rolleyes

[RD2191]

Haven't you heard that Forbes is Curry 2.0?! :rolleyes

:lol

[Mr. Body]

I forgot we have nothing but all stars on our roster.

Uh... Hmm... What?

[R. DeMurre]

This trade isn’t bad for them and Rivers Oubre sucks

Ariza has an expiring deal and is prob better than River + Oubre. It was a pointless deal for both teams but WAS needed to start bringing better locker room guys in which they did.

PHX is stupid. This did nothing for them, brought two questionable characters into an already losing young team and didn’t even net a pick when multiple teams were wanting Ariza?

Now you are going to have Swaggy Ps broke uncle chucking away trying to get a big contract. Suns are terrible.


The Wizards have had huge issues with chemistry and team harmony, and they jettisoned these guys for a reason. Even if they had decent attitudes, they're just not good enough to make a difference. The Suns ARE terrible!

[R. DeMurre]

Yeah, Forbes isn't a star, but look at this comparison of Forbes and Austin Rivers:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Bryn+Forbes&player_id1_select=Bryn+Forbes&y1=2019&player_id1=forbebr01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Austin+Rivers&player_id2_select=Austin+Rivers&y2=2019&player_id2=riverau01&idx=players

Plus:
Austin Rivers salary: 12.6 mil
Bryn Forbes salary: 3.1 mil

It's really not even close.

[TD 21]

I realize Ariza is an expiring, but they clearly did this with the intent to re-sign him, which tells me 1) They're probably retaining Wall, in part because of the lack of a respectable offer and 2) A Porter trade, possibly for the Kings expiring's, fringe prospects and a middling pick, is probably more likely now.

For the Suns, I'd imagine either Oubre or Jackson is likely to get traded for a PG (Fultz?). Rivers is clearly more of an SG, having a poor season and likely to play erratically, but he's still an upgrade as a placeholder, pseudo PG.