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Chris
12-04-2018, 05:39 PM
Compared to 35% of native households



New "public charge" rules issued by the Trump administration expand the list of programs that are considered welfare, receipt of which may prevent a prospective immigrant from receiving lawful permanent residence (a green card). Analysis by the Center for Immigration Studies of the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) shows welfare use by households headed by non-citizens is very high. The desire to reduce these rates among future immigrants is the primary justification for the rule change. Immigrant advocacy groups are right to worry that the high welfare use of non-citizens may impact the ability of some to receive green cards, though the actual impacts of the rules are unclear because they do not include all the benefits non-citizens receive on behalf of their children and many welfare programs are not included in the new rules. As welfare participation varies dramatically by education level, significantly reducing future welfare use rates would require public charge rules that take into consideration education levels and resulting income and likely welfare use.

Of non-citizens in Census Bureau data, roughly half are in the country illegally. Non-citizens also include long-term temporary visitors (e.g. guestworkers and foreign students) and permanent residents who have not naturalized (green card holders). Despite the fact that there are barriers designed to prevent welfare use for all of these non-citizen populations, the data shows that, overall, non-citizen households access the welfare system at high rates, often receiving benefits on behalf of U.S.-born children.

Among the findings:

In 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.
Welfare use drops to 58 percent for non-citizen households and 30 percent for native households if cash payments from the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) are not counted as welfare. EITC recipients pay no federal income tax. Like other welfare, the EITC is a means-tested, anti-poverty program, but unlike other programs one has to work to receive it.
Compared to native households, non-citizen households have much higher use of food programs (45 percent vs. 21 percent for natives) and Medicaid (50 percent vs. 23 percent for natives).
Including the EITC, 31 percent of non-citizen-headed households receive cash welfare, compared to 19 percent of native households. If the EITC is not included, then cash receipt by non-citizen households is slightly lower than natives (6 percent vs. 8 percent).
While most new legal immigrants (green card holders) are barred from most welfare programs, as are illegal immigrants and temporary visitors, these provisions have only a modest impact on non-citizen household use rates because: 1) most legal immigrants have been in the country long enough to qualify; 2) the bar does not apply to all programs, nor does it always apply to non-citizen children; 3) some states provide welfare to new immigrants on their own; and, most importantly, 4) non-citizens (including illegal immigrants) can receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children who are awarded U.S. citizenship and full welfare eligibility at birth.
The following figures include EITC:

No single program explains non-citizens' higher overall welfare use. For example, not counting school lunch and breakfast, welfare use is still 61 percent for non-citizen households compared to 33 percent for natives. Not counting Medicaid, welfare use is 55 percent for immigrants compared to 30 percent for natives.
Welfare use tends to be high for both newer arrivals and long-time residents. Of households headed by non-citizens in the United States for fewer than 10 years, 50 percent use one or more welfare programs; for those here more than 10 years, the rate is 70 percent.
Welfare receipt by working households is very common. Of non-citizen households receiving welfare, 93 percent have at least one worker, as do 76 percent of native households receiving welfare. In fact, non-citizen households are more likely overall to have a worker than are native households.1
The primary reason welfare use is so high among non-citizens is that a much larger share of non-citizens have modest levels of education and, as a result, they often earn low wages and qualify for welfare at higher rates than natives.
Of all non-citizen households, 58 percent are headed by immigrants who have no more than a high school education, compared to 36 percent of native households.
Of households headed by non-citizens with no more than a high school education, 81 percent access one or more welfare programs. In contrast, 28 percent of non-citizen households headed by a college graduate use one or more welfare programs.
Like non-citizens, welfare use also varies significantly for natives by educational attainment, with the least educated having much higher welfare use than the most educated.
Using education levels and likely future income to determine the probability of welfare use among new green card applicants — and denying permanent residency to those likely to utilize such programs — would almost certainly reduce welfare use among future permanent residents.
Of households headed by naturalized immigrants (U.S. citizens), 50 percent used one or more welfare programs. Naturalized-citizen households tend to have lower welfare use than non-citizen households for most types of programs, but higher use rates than native households for virtually every major program.
Welfare use is significantly higher for non-citizens than for natives in all four top immigrant-receiving states. In California, 72 percent of non-citizen-headed households use one or more welfare programs, compared to 35 percent for native-headed households. In Texas, the figures are 69 percent vs. 35 percent; in New York they are 53 percent vs. 38 percent; and in Florida, 56 percent of non-citizen-headed households use at least welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native households.
Methods
Programs Examined. The major welfare programs examined in this report are Supplemental Security Income (SSI), Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), the Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) food program, free or subsidized school lunch and breakfast, food stamps (officially called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program or SNAP), Medicaid, public housing, and rent subsidies.

Data Source. Data for this analysis comes from the public-use file of the 2014 Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP), which is the newest SIPP data available.2 The SIPP is a longitudinal dataset consisting of a series of "panels". Each panel is a nationally representative sample of U.S. households that is followed over several years. The survey was redesigned for 2013 with 2014 as the second wave of the new panel. We use the 2014 SIPP for this analysis. Like all Census surveys of this kind, welfare use is based on self-reporting in the SIPP, and as such there is some misreporting in the survey. All means and percentages are calculated using weights provided by the Census Bureau.

Why Use the SIPP? The SIPP is ideally suited for studying welfare programs because, unlike other Census surveys that measure welfare, the SIPP was specifically designed for this purpose. As the Census Bureau states on its website, the purpose of the SIPP is to "provide accurate and comprehensive information about the income and program participation of individuals and households."3 In addition to the SIPP, the only other government surveys that identify immigrants and at the same time measure welfare use for the entire population are the American Community Survey (ACS) and the Current Population Survey's Annual Social and Economic Supplement, often abbreviated as CPS ASEC or just ASEC. The ACS is a very large survey, but only asks about a few programs. The ASEC is released on a more timely basis than the SIPP and asks about more programs than the ACS, but it does not include the EITC; the ASEC also is not specifically designed to capture receipt of welfare programs. As we discuss at length in a prior study published in 2015, based on 2012 SIPP data, there is general agreement among researchers that the SIPP does a better job of capturing welfare use than other Census Bureau surveys, including the ASEC and ACS.4 More recent analysis confirms this conclusion.5

One recent improvement in the SIPP that was not available when we conducted our 2015 study is the inclusion of a question on use of the EITC, making for even more complete coverage of the nation's welfare programs. The EITC is by far the nation's largest cash program to low-income workers, paying out nearly $60 billion in 2014.6 Unfortunately for immigration research, the SIPP survey for 2014 no longer asks respondents about their current immigration status.7 As other researchers have pointed out, individuals in prior SIPPs who are non-citizens and report that they are currently not permanent residents are almost entirely illegal immigrants, with a modest number of long-term temporary visitors (e.g., guestworkers and foreign students) also included.8

As we showed in our 2015 analysis using the 2012 SIPP, 66 percent of households headed by non-citizens who do not have a green card, and who are mostly illegal immigrants, have very high welfare use rates — excluding the EITC.9 With the new 2014 SIPP, we can no longer identify likely illegal immigrants with the same ease. However, we do know that about half of non-citizens in Census Bureau data are illegal immigrants, which we would expect to make welfare use for non-citizens in general low, as those in the country without authorization are barred from almost all federal welfare programs.10 But like our prior analysis using the 2012 SIPP, this report shows that welfare use by households headed by illegal immigrants must be significant for the overall rate of welfare use among non-citizens to look as it does in this report.

Examining Welfare Use by Household. A large body of prior research has examined welfare use and the fiscal impact of immigrants by looking at households because it makes the most sense. The National Research Council did so in its fiscal estimates in 1997 because it argued that "the household is the primary unit through which public services are consumed."11 In their fiscal study of New Jersey, Deborah Garvey and Thomas Espenshade also used households as the unit of analysis because "households come closer to approximating a functioning socioeconomic unit of mutual exchange and support."12 Other analyses of welfare use and programs, including by the U.S. Census Bureau, have also used the household as the basis for studying welfare use.13 The late Julian Simon of the Cato Institute, himself a strong immigration advocate, pointed out that, "One important reason for not focusing on individuals is that it is on the basis of family needs that public welfare, Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), and similar transfers are received."14

The primary reason researchers have not looked at individuals is that, as Simon pointed out, eligibility for welfare programs is typically based on the income of all family or household members. Moreover, welfare benefits can often be consumed by all members of the household, such as food purchased with food stamps. Also, if the government provides food or health insurance to children, it creates a clear benefit to adult members of the household who will not have to spend money on these things. In addition, some of the welfare use variables in the SIPP are reported at the household level, not the individual level.

Some advocates for expansive immigration argue that household comparisons are unfair or biased against immigrants because someday the children who receive welfare may possibly pay back the costs of these programs in taxes as adults. Of course, the same argument could be made for the children of natives to whom immigrants are compared in this analysis. Moreover, excluding children obscures the fundamental issue that a very large share of immigrants are unable to support their own children and turn to taxpayer-funded means-tested programs. In terms of the policy debate over immigration and the implications for public coffers, this is the central concern.



https://www.cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs?&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

AaronY
12-04-2018, 05:57 PM
Cliffs:

https://pics.me.me/voting-republican-i-vote-republican-to-keep-foreigners-minorities-women-5278247.png

AaronY
12-04-2018, 05:59 PM
Chris is the guy in the suspenders in case its not completely obvious

Winehole23
12-04-2018, 06:02 PM
CATO comes to a different conclusion:

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/edb17.pdf

Winehole23
12-04-2018, 06:06 PM
CIS is notorious for torturing the data

Splits
12-04-2018, 06:06 PM
lol cis.org trying to pretend they're not a right-wing xenophobic hack job grifter group

Blake
12-04-2018, 06:07 PM
Lol Chris

Chucho
12-04-2018, 06:09 PM
Cliffs:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTWYeHs2qspW2Q_C2_pvy9zwuC6tkbHi OSiM1LdW9zV7lUg_mJ5

hater
12-04-2018, 06:58 PM
:lmao this sounds like

5 out of 6 doctors recommend it bulshit line tbqh

spurraider21
12-04-2018, 07:01 PM
:lmao this sounds like

5 out of 6 doctors recommend it bulshit line tbqh
9 out of 10 doctors agree that the other 1 needs to chill the fuck out tbh

FrostKing
12-04-2018, 07:24 PM
CATO comes to a different conclusion:

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/edb17.pdf
That is clearly moving the goal posts. Typical half truth "counter-points" I encounter from Sweden and Germany

Poor immigrant vs Poor Native is not the debate. Furthermore the black community in America anchors the 'poor Native' group tremendously. And i write this as an immigrant

ElNono
12-05-2018, 12:00 AM
That is clearly moving the goal posts. Typical half truth "counter-points" I encounter from Sweden and Germany

Poor immigrant vs Poor Native is not the debate. Furthermore the black community in America anchors the 'poor Native' group tremendously. And i write this as an immigrant

But it isn't "moving the goal posts"... clearly on any discussion about welfare, we're going to primarily be talking about poor people, native or immigrant, considering you have to largely be poor to qualify for those programs.

boutons_deux
12-05-2018, 12:17 AM
another ethnic cleansing move by Repug White Nationalists

Winehole23
12-05-2018, 01:45 AM
That is clearly moving the goal posts. Typical half truth "counter-points" I encounter from Sweden and Germany

Poor immigrant vs Poor Native is not the debate. Furthermore the black community in America anchors the 'poor Native' group tremendously. And i write this as an immigrantThere's a bunch of methodological problems.

Lumping rich and poor together for comparison, mixed status households (most children of immigrants are US citizens and so are some of the spouses), about half of employed immigrants are naturalized, that's just off the top of my head, there are others.

koriwhat
12-05-2018, 04:04 PM
Chris is the guy in the suspenders in case its not completely obvious

my ex claimed to be republican but we never spoke politics together. she didn't wear suspenders but instead she wore some very pricey business attire and drove a very nice mercedes while still paying off her $350k condo up north she left behind.

so your theory of nothing but redneck backwood folk voting republican is nothing more than a shit take.

she was also hispanic. BOOM!

Blake
12-05-2018, 04:16 PM
my ex claimed to be republican but we never spoke politics together. she didn't wear suspenders but instead she wore some very pricey business attire and drove a very nice mercedes while still paying off her $350k condo up north she left behind.

so your theory of nothing but redneck backwood folk voting republican is nothing more than a shit take.

she was also hispanic. BOOM!

Lol made up story

koriwhat
12-05-2018, 04:28 PM
Lol made up story

not at all. btw, she never cucked me like your ex did you! hahaha!

Splits
12-05-2018, 05:16 PM
so your theory of nothing but redneck backwood folk voting republican is nothing more than a shit take.


Where was this theory posited? The white guy in a suit holding a bag of money is 'redneck backwood folk"?

Also, WHAT ABOUT BENGHAZI?

koriwhat
12-05-2018, 05:19 PM
Where was this theory posited?

i've never seen anyone of yall claim anyone but a "redneck" voted in djt. prove me wrong but i doubt you can. i go strictly by yalls posting patterns.

reminds me of the stupid fucks in tennessee that used to ask me about my horses and farms when those fucks bred horses and lived on farms.

Splits
12-05-2018, 05:28 PM
i've never seen anyone of yall claim anyone but a "redneck" voted in djt. prove me wrong but i doubt you can. i go strictly by yalls posting patterns.

reminds me of the stupid fucks in tennessee that used to ask me about my horses and farms when those fucks bred horses and lived on farms.

lolwut? white men voted for Trump 62-31. The majority of white men are not like your inbred family, they're at the top of the food chain. You're just making shit up

koriwhat
12-05-2018, 05:43 PM
lolwut? white men voted for Trump 62-31. The majority of white men are not like your inbred family, they're at the top of the food chain. You're just making shit up

how is my family inbred if none of my family is inbred? lmao yall are lame with lame put downs too. why the fuck do i even come here? it's like HS where i wouldn't go down the nerd hall but now i'm hanging with you losers. wtf!

Splits
12-05-2018, 05:51 PM
how is my family inbred if none of my family is inbred? lmao yall are lame with lame put downs too. why the fuck do i even come here? it's like HS where i wouldn't go down the nerd hall but now i'm hanging with you losers. wtf!

lol just making up more shit to deflect and avoid backing up your original claim.

Pavlov
12-05-2018, 05:58 PM
not at all. btw, she never cucked me like your ex did you! hahaha!

HOWDOYOUKNOWSHEDIDN'T

koriwhat
12-05-2018, 06:09 PM
lol just making up more shit to deflect and avoid backing up your original claim.

deflect what exactly, the fact yall dipshit virtue-signaling faggots think everyone who voted for djt is a redneck?

i don't make shit up btw; i'm not a loser nor troll like you are.

Blake
12-05-2018, 07:00 PM
not at all. btw, she never cucked me like your ex did you! hahaha!

Oh so she just plain left you

koriwhat
12-05-2018, 07:03 PM
Oh so she just plain left you

she did... job had her move out of city and we basically said fuck it after about a month. it was a toxic relationship anyhow but i got some great head out of it and more. that's life!

Blake
12-05-2018, 08:22 PM
she did... job had her move out of city and we basically said fuck it after about a month. it was a toxic relationship anyhow but i got some great head out of it and more. that's life!

Lol "we said fuck it"

More like she got a great job in a different town and said "fuck you, calftats"

koriwhat
12-05-2018, 08:24 PM
Lol "we said fuck it"

More like she got a great job in a different town and said "fuck you, calftats"

possibly... we were breaking up weekly anyhow and for a while up to that point. i hate austin, she didn't last long out there, and from what i heard a couple months later she moved west out of tx.

no story is going to make yours less humiliating sadly. poor cuck!

Blake
12-05-2018, 08:26 PM
possibly...

:lol

koriwhat
12-05-2018, 08:30 PM
:lol

hey shit happens... what's it like sitting in a corner watching your ex get dicked down while you profess your love to her as tears run down your face and sancho tells you to shut the fuck up?

Blake
12-05-2018, 08:34 PM
hey shit happens... what's it like sitting in a corner watching your ex get dicked down while you profess your love to her as tears run down your face and sancho tells you to shut the fuck up?

I can't imagine what it's like to sit in your lonely sad apartment imagining others having sex

koriwhat
12-05-2018, 08:37 PM
I can't imagine what it's like to sit in your lonely sad apartment imagining others having sex

never had that fantasy before... just asking how cucklife is for you because i wouldn't know. :tu

keep your chin up and maybe sancho will blow a load on it too.

AaronY
12-06-2018, 08:55 AM
my ex claimed to be republican but we never spoke politics together. she didn't wear suspenders but instead she wore some very pricey business attire and drove a very nice mercedes while still paying off her $350k condo up north she left behind.

so your theory of nothing but redneck backwood folk voting republican is nothing more than a shit take.

she was also hispanic. BOOM!
Theres two people in pic dumbass

Blake
12-06-2018, 09:09 AM
never had that fantasy before...

You just laid out that fantasy, druggy.

spurraider21
12-06-2018, 11:57 AM
Theres two people in pic dumbass
:lmao

BD24
12-06-2018, 12:23 PM
my ex claimed to be republican but we never spoke politics together. she didn't wear suspenders but instead she wore some very pricey business attire and drove a very nice mercedes while still paying off her $350k condo up north she left behind.

so your theory of nothing but redneck backwood folk voting republican is nothing more than a shit take.

she was also hispanic. BOOM!
How long did it take her to realize you are a loser POS and leave your sorry ass tbh?

koriwhat
12-06-2018, 05:51 PM
Theres two people in pic dumbass

yeah and 1 is the voter and the other the 1%er. yall claim all republican voters are like that 1st dude which they aren't. that's the point so why play dumb?


You just laid out that fantasy, druggy.

no one fantasizes over you not even your ex when she was with you.


How long did it take her to realize you are a loser POS and leave your sorry ass tbh?

lmao someone's upset for no fucking reason whatsoever. must suck being your bitchass self.

Spurminator
12-06-2018, 05:53 PM
lmao someone's upset for no fucking reason whatsoever.

You have very little self awareness, don't you?

koriwhat
12-06-2018, 06:22 PM
You have very little self awareness, don't you?

i just don't give a fuck is all.

Blake
12-06-2018, 06:25 PM
i just don't give a fuck is all.

Right before you wish death on others.

You can't have it both ways, dumbass

koriwhat
12-06-2018, 06:28 PM
Right before you wish death on others.

You can't have it both ways, dumbass

you take everything i say here so personally and so seriously too which cracks me up. yall are such sticks in the mud. first off, i haven't wished death on anyone in a long time except pavTheFag who deserves it. death by pillows for him! second, why are you even replying to me when you weren't part of the conversation in the first place? i don't care to hear from you so fuck off blake.

have a great day buddy!

Blake
12-06-2018, 06:33 PM
You have very little self awareness, don't you?

Not a question

AaronY
12-06-2018, 06:56 PM
suspendersguy.jpeg

BD24
12-07-2018, 01:57 AM
lmao someone's upset for no fucking reason whatsoever. must suck being your bitchass self.
Seems like it didn't take her very long tbh.

boutons_deux
12-07-2018, 01:30 PM
the usual pissers:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c65f4fdd955cdc6614899b0a38b8473e/tenor.gif?itemid=5648271

koriwhat
12-07-2018, 03:46 PM
if the headline is correct then ship them all out of this country because obviously they aren't helping or contributing a thing. fuck free handouts especially to those that aren't citizens!

koriwhat
12-07-2018, 03:47 PM
the usual pissers:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c65f4fdd955cdc6614899b0a38b8473e/tenor.gif?itemid=5648271

the one post of yours with substance and not mindless copy&paste bs articles from the loons you bow to.

clambake
12-07-2018, 03:52 PM
if the headline is correct then ship them all out of this country because obviously they aren't helping or contributing a thing. fuck free handouts especially to those that aren't citizens!

how do you feel about hiring undocumented workers?

koriwhat
12-07-2018, 03:52 PM
how do you feel about hiring undocumented workers?

if they're undocumented then they are illegal. i think you already know.

clambake
12-07-2018, 03:54 PM
if they're undocumented then they are illegal. i think you already know.

what should be done?

koriwhat
12-07-2018, 04:10 PM
what should be done?

businesses should be shut down and illegals shipped out. what would you say for both breaking our laws? let 'em slide?

clambake
12-07-2018, 05:06 PM
businesses should be shut down and illegals shipped out. what would you say for both breaking our laws? let 'em slide?

trump hires them all the time. look it up on fox news today.

koriwhat
12-07-2018, 05:08 PM
trump hires them all the time. look it up on fox news today.

you're definitely not genuine in your questioning when you drop a turd like the one above.

Blake
12-07-2018, 05:09 PM
you're definitely not genuine in your questioning when you drop a turd like the one above.

Lol "genuine"

STFU, druggy

koriwhat
12-07-2018, 05:10 PM
Lol "genuine"

STFU, druggy

and again, you just can't help yourself from butting into a discussion that doesn't involve you one bit. fuck off.

STFU, pussy

clambake
12-07-2018, 05:11 PM
you're definitely not genuine in your questioning when you drop a turd like the one above.

now that you know, what should be done about it?

Blake
12-07-2018, 05:12 PM
and again, you just can't help yourself from butting into a discussion that doesn't involve you one bit. fuck off.

STFU, pussy

STFU, druggy

koriwhat
12-07-2018, 05:13 PM
now that you know, what should be done about it?

same as above... i'd have to be blind not to already know that businesses will try whatever they can to cut costs even if that means hiring illegals at lower wages. all the peiweis in this city should be shut down then because i've known 2-3 people in the past illegally who worked there with fake ssn's.

koriwhat
12-07-2018, 05:14 PM
STFU, druggy

god damn you're such a bitch blake.

clambake
12-07-2018, 05:16 PM
same as above... i'd have to be blind not to already know that businesses will try whatever they can to cut costs even if that means hiring illegals at lower wages. all the peiweis in this city should be shut down then because i've known 2-3 people in the past illegally who worked there with fake ssn's.

maybe if we started at the top, it might gain traction. you up for starting at the top?

Blake
12-07-2018, 05:20 PM
god damn you're such a bitch blake.

Damn you're retarded.

You need to STFU, druggy.