Blow it up

[DAF86]

Seriously. Untill tonight I still had faith but I have came to the conclusion that it is impossible to do much with this roster and, especially, with DeRozan and Aldridge as your two best players. Two archaic players that shoot nothing but long 2's while playing no defense and giving up easy layups and open 3 pointers on the other end. Like I said one time: not winning basketball.

When this week ends the Spurs will be 11-16, that's probably when PATFO finally realizes they need to blow it up.

Just trade all the veterans and run the lineup of White, Walker, Bertans, Metu and Poeltl for 35 minutes. That will be more fun than watching this current team.

[gospursgojas]

You can’t get rid of players no one wants. Just trade LMA and start from there.

[Bynumite]

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/738393656-harry-and-the-hendersons-film-welcome-sign-seattle-western-script.jpg

[JakeCuenca]

Man c'mon dont be like that.

At the very least the spurs are providing kawhi with comedic value. Dude got the spurs 2014 as a FMVP and DPOY. Let him have his laughs.

[JakeCuenca]

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/738393656-harry-and-the-hendersons-film-welcome-sign-seattle-western-script.jpg

Called a year ago when the spurs were winning 67 games and the AT&T was about 1/2 full. Now relocation is even closer ton reality.

Spurs arena is like 1/4 full nowadys. Its super pathetic.

[HarlemHeat37]

Let RC and Pop have their final year, beg Manu to take over and fix this team:lol

[gospursgojas]

Relocation has already been proved to be a non-threat multiple times.

[Darth_Pelican]

beg Manu to take over

i laughed out loud :lol

[Budkin]

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/738393656-harry-and-the-hendersons-film-welcome-sign-seattle-western-script.jpg

Get some new material. Won't ever happen.

[Robz4000]

It took you this long to realize it?

[in2deep]

I still had faith but I have came to the conclusion that

:lmao faith in what??? this team was barely a 9th seed. with the injuries, its no more than a 12th seed. expecting anything else is on you to be fair



it is impossible to do much with this roster

do what?

again, if you expected anything more than this its on you :lol

[DAF86]

It took you this long to realize it?

The shitty West had me thinking the Spurs could still sneak into the playoffs, but this team is just too awful.

[DAF86]

:lmao faith in what??? this team was barely a 9th seed. with the injuries, its no more than a 12th seed. expecting anything else is on you to be fair



do what?

again, if you expected anything more than this its on you :lol

Actually it's on Pop and RC. What I think is irrelevant for the Spurs' franchise, tbh.

[playblair]

Relocation has already been proved to be a non-threat multiple times.

the arena is empty when spurs were battling for #1 seeds & winning 50 games a year.............imagine how empty it is going to be now that we are the phoenix suns

call up blair plz rc

[DAF86]

the arena is empty when spurs were battling for #1 seeds & winning 50 games a year.............imagine how empty it is going to be now that we are the phoenix suns

call up blair plz rc

Seats were still sold, which is all that matters to the people that count the money.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Remember The Alamo! Remember Hiroshima! Remember Nagasaki!

This team just doesn't have the talent to compete with anyone in the NBA.

We are bad and not in a good way. Blow it up!

[Bynumite]

Relocation has already been proved to be a non-threat multiple times.

But when was the last time the spurs were plunging under .500? Decades ago, before Jim right?

This time, you're not getting another Jim through the draft, sorry and you can't attract top tier free agents. If pockets start getting hit, relocation might become a real possibility :spin:spin

[Rusty]

Move to Las Vegas

[Hoops Czar]

the arena is empty when spurs were battling for #1 seeds & winning 50 games a year.............imagine how empty it is going to be now that we are the phoenix suns

call up blair plz rc

To be a seat filler?

[illusioNtEk]

agreed, lets blow it up plz, trade lma and patty

[Hoops Czar]

I don't know which is a bigger indictment... Pop and RC for this pathetic roster construction or the pseudo all nba stars who can't even stay within 30 points of the fading badly 11-13 Jazz.

[gospursgojas]

But when was the last time the spurs were plunging under .500? Decades ago, before Jim right?

This time, you're not getting another Jim through the draft, sorry and you can't attract top tier free agents. If pockets start getting hit, relocation might become a real possibility :spin:spin

Not saying the spurs don’t suck and yes there will be empty seats. Plenty of them. But spurs are on the books w ATT center till like 2035 or something.

[BackHome]

For all you idiots saying blow it up what the fuck do we think we have been doing ? Winning no Tanking Yes

[ElNono]

:pop: We just need more culture, tbh... wonder what Fat Diaw is doing these days...

[DAF86]

For all you idiots saying blow it up what the fuck do we think we have been doing ? Winning no Tanking Yes

Blow it up means trading away your useless veterans for draft picks and/or young prospects.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

"We're defensively challenged" -Pop... :lol Yeah no shit, you didn't think they wouldn't be when you put this shit roster together

[sasaint]

I don't know which is a bigger indictment... Pop and RC for this pathetic roster construction or the pseudo all nba stars who can't even stay within 30 points of the 11-13 Jazz.

Pop has totally lost them. They took the floor again tonight completely bereft of energy. Pop needs to go before he wreaks more havoc on this team's future. Pop needs to go (and his tool, RC), and LMA and DeMar need to go, too. They will never have any higher value than they have now.

[davi78239]

It’s pop. I’ll think RC wants the youth movement but pop wants what he wants and gets what he wants. It’s because of him I bet that we lost our best player, probably top 5 player at that. Starting to see that without Tim and the other 2, he’s a vastly overrated coach.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

:pop: This is all Trump's fault.

[vy65]

Sp:loliled

[vander]

what a novel sentiment

[vy65]

What you fail to understand was that this team was built around a player who literally quit on the team in 2017, but the FO actively ignored the obvious so anyone who holds it against the team is obviously sp:loliled

[Roscoe P. Coltrane]

:pop: We just need more culture, tbh... wonder what Fat Diaw is doing these days...Fat Diaw would instantly be the best player on he team.

[DAF86]

Sp:loliled

What are you even trying to say with this post? Did you even think before posting that?

"Spoiled". In what way is this thread related to being spoiled? If I were whinning like a little bitch asking for the Spurs to make moves and get better because "this fanbase deserves to win every year" or something retarded like that, I would understand the "spoiled" comment. But why the fuck would you bring that up in a thread about people coming to the realization that this team just isn't that good and are opening up to the idea of losing just to get a better future?

[Hoops Czar]

Pop has totally lost them. They took the floor again tonight completely bereft of energy. Pop needs to go before he wreaks more havoc on this team's future. Pop needs to go (and his tool, RC), and LMA and DeMar need to go, too. They will never have any higher value than they have now.
Demar's contract is virtually untradeable. He's probably one of only three all nba stars in the last decade no team would want to touch (Dwight and Kobe being the other two). Toronto was desperately trying to dump that sad sack, regular season stat padder and the Spurs came a calling.

[therealtruth]

It’s pop. I’ll think RC wants the youth movement but pop wants what he wants and gets what he wants. It’s because of him I bet that we lost our best player, probably top 5 player at that. Starting to see that without Tim and the other 2, he’s a vastly overrated coach.

Good point. I think RC was kind of surprised by the Kawhi situtation and maybe though it could be fixed. He probably didn't realize how much Pop had alienated him.

[vy65]

What are you even trying to say with this post? Did you even think before posting that?

"Spoiled". In what way is this thread related to being spoiled? If I were whinning like a little bitch asking for the Spurs to make moves and get better because "this fanbase deserves to win every year" or something retarded like that, I would understand the "spoiled" comment. But why the fuck would you bring that up in a thread about people coming to the realization that this team just isn't that good and are opening up to the idea of losing just to get a better future?

Dude, I agree 100% with you. I’m laughing at the slurpers who’d say those wanting to blow it up are spoiled.

[DAF86]

Dude, I agree 100% with you. I’m laughing at the slurpers who’d say those wanting to blow it up are spoiled.

My bad then.

[sasaint]

Demar's contract is virtually untradeable. He's probably one of only three all nba stars in the last decade no team would want to touch (Dwight and Kobe being the other two). Toronto was desperately trying to dump that sad sack, regular season stat padder and the Spurs came a calling.

I don't agree with you. Lots of worse contracts in the league. Even so, doubling down on LMA and DeMar will only kill the franchise. Building around more modern players is the only real chance they have to keep the team breathing.

[sasaint]

Good point. I think RC was kind of surprised by the Kawhi situtation and maybe though it could be fixed. He probably didn't realize how much Pop had alienated him.

PATFO needed to step down and let a new regime deal with the Number 2 issue.

[vy65]

N
My bad then.

No worries

[Hoops Czar]

I don't agree with you. Lots of worse contracts in the league. Even so, doubling down on LMA and DeMar will only kill the franchise. Building around more modern players is the only real chance they have to keep the team breathing.
Like who, Forbes and Mills? They shoot three's!!!

[dbestpro]

The lack of willingness to play defense is mind boggling. I would rather see the Spurs called for 50 fouls a game and lose from the free throw line, then this YMCA defense.

[SouthTexasRancher]

For all you idiots saying blow it up what the fuck do we think we have been doing ? Winning no Tanking Yes

So in essence you are admitting that you are an idiot. Good show, dude.

BTW, I said to blow it up but, I am not an idiot. I happen to be a high class imbecile.

[Hoops Czar]

The lack of willingness to play defense is mind boggling. I would rather see the Spurs called for 50 fouls a game and lose from the free throw line, then this YMCA defense.
Unwillingness to play D? You can't get blood from a turnip.

[ivanfromwestwood]

:pop: This is all Trump's fault.

🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[Spurs Homer]

2 first round picks in the near future!

[SAGirl]

Probably happening at the end of the season is my guess.

[TimDunkem]

Probably happening at the end of the season is my guess.

You really think PATFO will admit defeat and change things up? I fully expect the injury and lack of corporate knowledge excuses. Maybe minor changes will occur but, in the end, Mills/Forbes/Gasol/Gay will still be on the roster and LMA/DD/Murray will also be here shooting 2s.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

Not much to blow up tbh. We already have 2 1st round picks this year, one of them being a lottery pick. We have an all star in DeRozan who is all offense and no defense, but he will be paired with Murray who is an excellent defender. If Murray develops a three then we are loaded in our backcourt. We have a bruiser of a big man who sets screens and rolls hard to the basket. We have youth in White and Walker as our back ups. We have LMA who can still get us 15 points a game. We have a decent stretch 4 in Bertans. We just need athletes for the 3 spot and hopefully the draft will give us that. The future isn't as dim as it seems IF we get our draft right this year.

[TimDunkem]

Bertans and Derrick White. :lol

Latvian Steve Novak and a poor man's Delonte West. :lmao

[Dancelot]

:pop: This is all Trump's fault.

:lol

[slick'81]

Dont think pop and co.would be content to trade lma for young players/pics and start over

[Dancelot]

Eh, they nabbed kawhi and no one expected him to turn out to be the player he is. They’ll do it again, it’ll just take couple years to become relavent and develop...hopefully this time they don’t draft a mute with a thirsty uncle though.

[monty4329]

Not much to blow up tbh. We already have 2 1st round picks this year, one of them being a lottery pick. We have an all star in DeRozan who is all offense and no defense, but he will be paired with Murray who is an excellent defender. If Murray develops a three then we are loaded in our backcourt. We have a bruiser of a big man who sets screens and rolls hard to the basket. We have youth in White and Walker as our back ups. We have LMA who can still get us 15 points a game. We have a decent stretch 4 in Bertans. We just need athletes for the 3 spot and hopefully the draft will give us that. The future isn't as dim as it seems IF we get our draft right this year.

Who has a worse roster in the West? At least Phoenix has a scoring machine and a very solid 5.
Every game at least 3 if not 4 Spurs on the court are worse than their opponents. The few wins are actually product of great effort, not talent. I can't see how the same players can be better next year, even with Murray and a few picks. The other teams have much better players, unfortunately.

[spurraider21]

No no we just need to play Bertans and white 48 minutes apiece and we’re winning the whole thing

[therealtruth]

Eh, they nabbed kawhi and no one expected him to turn out to be the player he is. They’ll do it again, it’ll just take couple years to become relavent and develop...hopefully this time they don’t draft a mute with a thirsty uncle though.

Bud nabbed Kawhi. He had to convince Pop to give up his favorite player in George Hill.

[TimDunkem]

Bud nabbed Kawhi. He had to convince Pop to give up his favorite player in George Hill.

Valanciunas was their first choice that year. :lol

Wouldn't surprise me if Poeltl was the real target of the DD trade. :lol Pop sure does love his Euro stiffs.

[Slippy]

yah adding Bertans to the starting five didn't help lift the defensive capability of this team. Which still is this teams biggest weakness. What a shock.


Blow it up.

[Dancelot]

Bud nabbed Kawhi. He had to convince Pop to give up his favorite player in George Hill.
Well shit.

[r0drig0lac]

need more slashers, need more perimeter defenders, that's all


The lack of willingness to play defense is mind boggling. I would rather see the Spurs called for 50 fouls a game and lose from the free throw line, then this YMCA defense.

more like "the lack of athleticism and defensive qi"

[duncan2k5]

Eh, they nabbed kawhi and no one expected him to turn out to be the player he is. They’ll do it again, it’ll just take couple years to become relavent and develop...hopefully this time they don’t draft a mute with a thirsty uncle though.

Spurs don't have some magic formula to make hall of fame players... Stop this rhetoric... Every team has drafted someone that overperformed their draft position... It happens

[SASdynasty!]

Bring back Parker. This team truly sucks without him.

[Brazil]

:pop: We just need more culture, tbh... wonder what Fat Diaw is doing these days...

Bobo is traveling the world on his boat while drinking his favorite coffee and taking pictures

:bobo

[Chomag]

This is pretty embarrassing I'll agree with that . I would rather trade all our players for picks at this point then to see our current players get spanked by the whole league night and night out.

[mo7888]

Let's start by trading LMA. He was an all-star last year and there will be some GM that will value that.

[hater]

Actually it's on Pop and RC. What I think is irrelevant for the Spurs' franchise, tbh.

You are the one who said had faith inthis team :lmao

Its on you

[DAF86]

You are the one who said had faith inthis team :lmao

Its on you

Didn't know I had this much power, tbh.

[ulosturedge]

We are tanking. I thought that would be obvious by now. It's a perfect time to try and reload. Dejounte Murray season ending injury, we get Toronto's first pick albeit a late first rounder, and we try and get a lottery pick. Why the fuck would we want to make the playoffs? Just to get shat on somewhere in the first or second round?

The team looks worse then they really are because they are TANKING..

[DAF86]

We are tanking. I thought that would be obvious by now. It's a perfect time to try and reload. Dejounte Murray season ending injury, we get Toronto's first pick albeit a late first rounder, and we try and get a lottery pick. Why the fuck would we want to make the playoffs? Just to get shat on somewhere in the first or second round?

The team looks worse then they really are because they are TANKING..

Yeah sure, DeRozan and Aldridge are just fine with wasting the last years of their primes tanking. :lol

[r0drig0lac]

We are tanking. I thought that would be obvious by now. It's a perfect time to try and reload. Dejounte Murray season ending injury, we get Toronto's first pick albeit a late first rounder, and we try and get a lottery pick. Why the fuck would we want to make the playoffs? Just to get shat on somewhere in the first or second round?

The team looks worse then they really are because they are TANKING..

funny

[TheGreatYacht]

Lol PATFO fluffers think we're purposely tanking. No, friends. This is Pop without HOF talent around him.

[ulosturedge]

Yeah sure, DeRozan and Aldridge are just fine with wasting the last years of their primes tanking. :lol

Losing 1 year as I see it. Where would they want to go? Both coming from losing organizations. This should be nothing new to them. And i'm pretty sure they are more optimistic then you btw.

[TimDunkem]

Thinking a team that features midgets like Forbes/Mills/White, no defense playing losers like Beli/Bertans, gimps like Gay/Gasol, and are built around the fadeaway two point shooting of DD and LMA is intentionally trying to be bad. :lmao

[DAF86]

Losing 1 year as I see it. Where would they want to go? Both coming from losing organizations. This should be nothing new to them. And i'm pretty sure they are more optimistic then you btw.

Dude, nobody is intentionally tanking. Don't be dumb.

[bic50]

Losing 1 year as I see it. Where would they want to go? Both coming from losing organizations. This should be nothing new to them. And i'm pretty sure they are more optimistic then you btw.
Toronto and Portland weren't losing organizations. Demar did not want to leave Toronto and was upset when he was traded.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

Lol PATFO fluffers think we're purposely tanking. No, friends. This is Pop without HOF talent around him.

Name one coach who won with no talent on a consistent basis.

[DAF86]

Name one coach who won with no talent on a consistent basis.

Pop is the one that chose the talent he has around him, tbh. Any way you look at it, Pop has no out.

[TheGreatYacht]

Name one coach who won with no talent on a consistent basis.
I thought this guy was good enough to make the playoffs with substitute teachers? DeRozan and Aldridge alone should be enough to make the playoffs. Better coaches have made it with less. Doc Rivers is a perfect example. Look at that Clippers roster.

[RD2191]

I thought this guy was good enough to make the playoffs with substitute teachers? DeRozan and Aldridge alone should be enough to make the playoffs. Better coaches have made it with less. Doc Rivers is a perfect example. Look at that Clippers roster.

Tbh

[Spurs da champs]

Rudy should be able to nab a 1st rounder from a playoff team/contender right?

[TheGreatYacht]

Rudy should be able to nab a 1st rounder from a playoff team/contender right?
Absolutely. If Mason Plumlee, Nerlens, and Bogdanovic netted first round picks.. Gay could as well.

Unfortunately Pop's ego will get in the way.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

I thought this guy was good enough to make the playoffs with substitute teachers? DeRozan and Aldridge alone should be enough to make the playoffs. Better coaches have made it with less. Doc Rivers is a perfect example. Look at that Clippers roster.

Holy heck let's give him coach of the year for 23 games into the season. Doc has done shit with more talent when he had cp3 and Blake etc.

The problem is Aldridge. This is not a big man's game anymore and he is so predictable.

[Trueblood]

But when was the last time the spurs were plunging under .500? Decades ago, before Jim right?

This time, you're not getting another Jim through the draft, sorry and you can't attract top tier free agents. If pockets start getting hit, relocation might become a real possibility :spin:spin

Yup. Cause Seattle is that hot spot to attract all those free agents. Who wouldn't want to live where it snows AND you get the added bonus of sun almost 100 days a year!!

[TheGreatYacht]

Holy heck let's give him coach of the year for 23 games into the season. Doc has done shit with more talent when he had cp3 and Blake etc.

Lol you can't seriously say with a straight face that Doc had close to the talent Pop had in those 2013-2015 years. Even then, he still sent Pop fishing.



The problem is Aldridge. This is not a big man's game anymore and he is so predictable.

Guess who recruited Aldridge and gave him an extension that hasn't even kicked in yet?

http://imguol.com/blogs/67/files/2015/07/lamarcus-popovich-free-agency.png

[Trueblood]

Spurs don't have some magic formula to make hall of fame players... Stop this rhetoric... Every team has drafted someone that overperformed their draft position... It happens

They don't necessarily make HOFers, but they do have a proven track record in the draft. You can point to the obvious (Ginobli, Parker, Kawhi) who were all taken either in the late lottery or later. They all turned out to be HOFers in their own right. But less obviously are the role players they pick up that consistently out perform their draft position. They turn picks like hill into service payers that canbe traded away for people like Kawhi. Or players like splitter who become starting caliber players on a championship team. Bottom line is we do draft well, everyone knows it. So while we probably aren't going to turn more late second rounders into HOFers, we very well could get a Kawhi type player in the lottery.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

Lol you can't seriously say with a straight face that Doc had close to the talent Pop had in those 2013-2015 years. Even then, he still sent Pop fishing.




Guess who recruited Aldridge and gave him an extension that hasn't even kicked in yet?

http://imguol.com/blogs/67/files/2015/07/lamarcus-popovich-free-agency.png

So the one series they beat them he gets all the glory? Don't they have three series wins in 10 years?

[TheGreatYacht]

So the one series they beat them he gets all the glory? Don't they have three series wins in 10 years?
Who cares about Doc. That's not the point. Stop deflecting.

DeRozan and Aldridge are good regular season players and should be enough to sneak into the playoffs, not be 14th in the West. Why is the GOAT coach getting blown out by 30+ three times in a week? Who gave Aldridge the "problem" an extension?

[BackHome]

Yup. Cause Seattle is that hot spot to attract all those free agents. Who wouldn't want to live where it snows AND you get the added bonus of sun almost 100 days a year!!

And add the Free Healthcare and Free College and all you can shoot up Drugs great place to live. But if you make over 75 grand forget it the rest of your money going to TAXES

[Rusty]

Unintentionally tanking:lol

[Dancelot]

Spurs don't have some magic formula to make hall of fame players... Stop this rhetoric... Every team has drafted someone that overperformed their draft position... It happens
Okay. Or they won’t, whateves.

[monty4329]

The issue is our offense design sucks. The reason we get into a huge hole is because there is zero ball movement with the starting five. Aldridge, Gay, and DDR all are black holes and just jack up shots whenever they touch the ball. Forbes is adding to that list to with his moronic baseline fadeaway

They are losing because of non existent defense. Even without an NBA starting-level point guard, offense somehow produces points. But on defense it is just highways to the basket, and wide open threes. Defense is at least 50% effort...

[gambit1990]

i wanted to blow it up last season... spurs would've been a year ahead in a rebuild.

would've gotten good trade value for la... tanked and gotten a high draft pick... and then could've traded kawhi on top of that.

spurs could've even gotten something for manu last season/given him a chance to be on a contender.

[spursistan]

Bump..

This is bottom line and the uncomfortable truth: you are not going anywhere with 30+ year-olds Aldridge and Derozan as your top two dogs.

They have made their bed and now they will lie in it: this team will be the definition of a gutless and moribund mediocrity for the next few years.

If they still have any clue, they would cut bait this summer..

[slick'81]

Bump..

This is bottom line and the uncomfortable truth: you are not going anywhere with 30+ year-olds Aldridge and Derozan as your top two dogs.

They have made their bed and now they will lie in it: this team will be the definition of a gutless and moribund mediocrity for the next few years.

If they still have any clue, they would cut bait this summer..

They wont.This is our core until 2021

[SpursDynasty85]

Bump..

This is bottom line and the uncomfortable truth: you are not going anywhere with 30+ year-olds Aldridge and Derozan as your top two dogs.

They have made their bed and now they will lie in it: this team will be the definition of a gutless and moribund mediocrity for the next few years.

If they still have any clue, they would cut bait this summer..

Lol. Welcome to life after the Big 3. They will be better next year for sure though.

[spursistan]

PATFO should look at the Clippers this year and feel fuckin' ashamed..

The fact that supposedly our two All-Stars have missed a combined 5 games and yet we are still going to finish two or three games behind LAC who got rid of their best player at the deadline is a testimony of the bankruptcy of their gambit on this LMA/Derozan core..

[spursistan]

They wont.This is our core until 2021

That's my hunch; they are not that stupid to not realize it, but they are content with it..

[GreekSpursfan]

PATFO should look at the Clippers this year and feel fuckin' ashamed..

The fact that supposedly our two All-Stars have missed a combined 5 games and yet we are still going to finish two or three games behind LAC who got rid of their best player at the deadline is a testimony of the bankruptcy of their gambit on this LMA/Derozan core..

Clippers had a better piece to trade(Blake Griffin) that wasn't used by his uncle to force himself out of LA and they got some pieces from that trade and they have a billionaire owner and they are in a big market and...
Bottom line and i think you will agree with me, we need to trade/get rid of our two former all stars(they far from it now and in the future)and tank for the next two seasons. That is the only plan to escape being a treadmill of mediocrity.

[TD 21]

PATFO should look at the Clippers this year and feel fuckin' ashamed..

The fact that supposedly our two All-Stars have missed a combined 5 games and yet we are still going to finish two or three games behind LAC who got rid of their best player at the deadline is a testimony of the bankruptcy of their gambit on this LMA/Derozan core..

But that's the thing, Harris was their best offensive player in perception only. In terms of impact, Gallinari and Williams outpaced him, while Harrell was close. Overall, they came out of the trade deadline a deeper, more well rounded team.

The DeRozan of the past few seasons was a flawed, low end star. The DeRozan of this season isn't even that. He flat out hasn't been as impactful as the likes of Fox, Hield, Gallinari and Williams.

Him, the coaching staff or a combination thereof, better pull their heads out of their ass and at least get him back to last season's 3pt rate/%. Without that, as his ft rate plateaus or further plummets, he's essentially on the verge of becoming a lower IQ version of post prime Parker/Wade.

[tmtcsc]

I'm in. Blow this shit up. As a lifelong Spurs fan I've been treated to some of the best, consistent basketball the league has ever witnessed over two decades. I've been spolied with the play of Hall of Famers in Duncan & Gibobili. But now the winners are gone & it's time. This current roster has NO winners on it. They have two talented offensive veterans in DeRozan and Aldridge and a couple of young players in White & Poeltl who've shown flashes of being very good. Other than that, they are a collection of role players and misfits who all seem to be genuinely good people but not the core of a solid team.

Had this team really possessed winning DNA & played as a unit with a belief they can win in the playoffs, tonight's loss would not have happened. A close game against Cleveland would not have happened. There is absolutely no excuse to lose to a team who has NOTHING to play for except pride. They Kings obviously have more than the Spurs and are just better as evidenced by the 0-3 series sweep. But this isn't about any one opponent. This is about the Spurs. This is a team that can win when the shots fall but lose when they don't. There's no fight, there's no grit, there's no heart.

BLOW IT UP. Oh, and anyone thinking Dejounte Murray would have made any difference whatsoever, you're sadly delusional. He won't help next year either. He's not a point guard, he doesn't distribute the ball well and the last we all saw of him, he can't shoot for shit. Everything else we've heard is hearsay. He sucked and bowed out of summer league play because he's a loser.

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[spursistan]

But that's the thing, Harris was their best offensive player in perception only. In terms of impact, Gallinari and Williams outpaced him, while Harrell was close. Overall, they came out of the trade deadline a deeper, more well rounded team.

The DeRozan of the past few seasons was a flawed, low end star. The DeRozan of this season isn't even that. He flat out hasn't been as impactful as the likes of Fox, Hield, Gallinari and Williams.

Him, the coaching staff or a combination thereof, better pull their heads out of their ass and at least get him back to last season's 3pt rate/%. Without that, as his ft rate plateaus or further plummets, he's essentially on the verge of becoming a lower IQ version of post prime Parker/Wade.

Yep, that the point I'm trying to relay.

If you are not contending: a well-coached, young, rag-tag team, full of hard asses playing both ways > multiple late-prime empty calories "stars" on big money.

My biggest issue with this franchise is that they have become just another dumb organization..

[slick'81]

But that's the thing, Harris was their best offensive player in perception only. In terms of impact, Gallinari and Williams outpaced him, while Harrell was close. Overall, they came out of the trade deadline a deeper, more well rounded team.

The DeRozan of the past few seasons was a flawed, low end star. The DeRozan of this season isn't even that. He flat out hasn't been as impactful as the likes of Fox, Hield, Gallinari and Williams.

Him, the coaching staff or a combination thereof, better pull their heads out of their ass and at least get him back to last season's 3pt rate/%. Without that, as his ft rate plateaus or further plummets, he's essentially on the verge of becoming a lower IQ version of post prime Parker/Wade.


I wish we could of got two first round picks for harris.instead were stuck with defrozen and an aging aldridge

[ZeusWillJudge]

That's my hunch; they are not that stupid to not realize it, but they are content with it..

It's not contentment. Arrogant-ass Pop still thinks he can coach them to playoff success.

One of my favorite cartoons of all time. This is exactly where PATFO is:

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[Hoops Czar]

Look at this roster and tell me this isn't the definition of blowing it up.

[tmtcsc]

Look at this roster and tell me this isn't the definition of blowing it up.

As long as Aldridge, Mills (in terms of that ridiculous salary) & DeRozan are on the roster, nothing's been blown up yet. Move Rudy too. He can't or doesn't want to play defense for shit.

[gambit1990]

Bring back Parker.
:lol:lol

[LCM]

The first step is Pop being told by the two new owners that if he wants to coach next year, he relinquishes control of player personnel descions. All of it! He has zero final say, he's just the coach. Pop doesn't like it, thank you for everything ... here's the door. You can rule USA basketball.

There have been so many missed opportunities by Pop and this FO to be proactive in bettering this roster for the past two seasons, and if Pop wants to be the head of Basketball Operations, then the blame falls on him! RC can only do as much as Pop will allow him! Roster construction, trades, fa signings, buyouts ... all of it needs to taken away from Pop starting when the Spurs are eliminated from the playoffs in a few weeks. If Brent Barry is the next in line for that job, it's time to step into it. The descions over the 3 draft picks, the futures of Mills/Forbes/Mulitinuv/Moore/Bertans, the strategy of how this franchise is going to transition from LMA and DeRozen, need to made by a FO without the iron hand of Greg Popovich shaping their choices.

[Thomas82]

I'm in. Blow this shit up. As a lifelong Spurs fan I've been treated to some of the best, consistent basketball the league has ever witnessed over two decades. I've been spolied with the play of Hall of Famers in Duncan & Gibobili. But now the winners are gone & it's time. This current roster has NO winners on it. They have two talented offensive veterans in DeRozan and Aldridge and a couple of young players in White & Poeltl who've shown flashes of being very good. Other than that, they are a collection of role players and misfits who all seem to be genuinely good people but not the core of a solid team.

Had this team really possessed winning DNA & played as a unit with a belief they can win in the playoffs, tonight's loss would not have happened. A close game against Cleveland would not have happened. There is absolutely no excuse to lose to a team who has NOTHING to play for except pride. They Kings obviously have more than the Spurs and are just better as evidenced by the 0-3 series sweep. But this isn't about any one opponent. This is about the Spurs. This is a team that can win when the shots fall but lose when they don't. There's no fight, there's no grit, there's no heart.

BLOW IT UP. Oh, and anyone thinking Dejounte Murray would have made any difference whatsoever, you're sadly delusional. He won't help next year either. He's not a point guard, he doesn't distribute the ball well and the last we all saw of him, he can't shoot for shit. Everything else we've heard is hearsay. He sucked and bowed out of summer league play because he's a loser.

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[slick'81]

I'm in. Blow this shit up. As a lifelong Spurs fan I've been treated to some of the best, consistent basketball the league has ever witnessed over two decades. I've been spolied with the play of Hall of Famers in Duncan & Gibobili. But now the winners are gone & it's time. This current roster has NO winners on it. They have two talented offensive veterans in DeRozan and Aldridge and a couple of young players in White & Poeltl who've shown flashes of being very good. Other than that, they are a collection of role players and misfits who all seem to be genuinely good people but not the core of a solid team.

Had this team really possessed winning DNA & played as a unit with a belief they can win in the playoffs, tonight's loss would not have happened. A close game against Cleveland would not have happened. There is absolutely no excuse to lose to a team who has NOTHING to play for except pride. They Kings obviously have more than the Spurs and are just better as evidenced by the 0-3 series sweep. But this isn't about any one opponent. This is about the Spurs. This is a team that can win when the shots fall but lose when they don't. There's no fight, there's no grit, there's no heart.

BLOW IT UP. Oh, and anyone thinking Dejounte Murray would have made any difference whatsoever, you're sadly delusional. He won't help next year either. He's not a point guard, he doesn't distribute the ball well and the last we all saw of him, he can't shoot for shit. Everything else we've heard is hearsay. He sucked and bowed out of summer league play because he's a loser.

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Naw its just a lack of urgency

[Mario1976]

Spoiled fans smh

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Spoiled fans smh

I think all the dumbasses on this site who keep complaining and saying to "blow it up" need to become Suns fans and see what that's like for a few years. If you can't support the Spurs then GTFO.

[gambit1990]

I think all the dumbasses on this site who keep complaining and saying to "blow it up" need to become Suns fans and see what that's like for a few years. If you can't support the Spurs then GTFO.
:lol

big difference between the suns’ FO and the spurs’.

[gambit1990]

people keep thinking that tanking one season will result in the spurs being one of the worse teams in the league for years :lol

[ZeusWillJudge]

people keep thinking that tanking one season will result in the spurs being one of the worse teams in the league for years :lol


"You just don't understand. If we give up the streak, it's gone forever."

[rascal]

"You just don't understand. If we give up the streak, it's gone forever."

Nobody cares about the streak other than Spur fans.

[jjktkk]

I really don't get where some Spurs fans think tanking is going to guarantee a return to prominence. It doesn't guarantee shit.

[tmtcsc]

I think all the dumbasses on this site who keep complaining and saying to "blow it up" need to become Suns fans and see what that's like for a few years. If you can't support the Spurs then GTFO.

I think all the dumbasses on this site cheering for a crippled man to get out of his chair and walk should take a look at The Brooklyn Nets, Milwaukee Bucks, Denver Nuggets or Sacramento Kings to see what starting over can look like. All of those teams have brighter futures than this current Spurs roster because most of them tore the band-aid off and started over. As a fan, I gave it a chance to see if it could work. It can't. We have a team full of Hero Ball chuckers more interested in shooting than making stops.

:lol- The system. That should have been Duncan's nickname because he and his bad-ass Mount Rushmore self was "The System". He was the Spurs way. Not Pop. His woke-ass self is getting exposed and being made to look the fool.

[tmtcsc]

I really don't get where some Spurs fans think tanking is going to guarantee a return to prominence. It doesn't guarantee shit.

It's going to take more than tanking. It's going to mean making moves to assemble a team that can play basketball on both sides of the ball. Ask Toronto. They were willing to trade a beloved player for a "chance" on a weird, malcontent, soon to be Unrestricted free agent who fucking knows how to score & defend. He's probably going to bolt on them and they are ok with it because they knew Demar sure as hell wasn't the answer.

[rascal]

I really don't get where some Spurs fans think tanking is going to guarantee a return to prominence. It doesn't guarantee shit.

It guarantees top draft picks and that is the only way the spurs are going to add young top level talent.

[tmtcsc]

Spoiled fans smh

Unfortunately, us self-admitted, spoiled fans learned what "winners" and winning basketball look like. It aint this.

[ZeusWillJudge]

I really don't get

You should just start every post with that.

Nobody said anything about a fucking guarantee, you twit. There are no guarantees. Except I can guarantee you that if the team doesn't have enough talent, it isn't going to contend for a championship.

Tanking meant a LOT more than just losing games. The point was that they would have gotten rid of some players, rather than overpaying them. That means that for a year, they would have been playing some younger, lesser-experienced players. That would have cleared cap space, and at the same time it would have given those young players some valuable floor time against top-level competition.

It would have meant getting a high enough draft pick to pick up a legitimate impact player. Not guaranteeing a generational talent like Tim, but someone who has more skills and upside than White and Murray. Those guys are very good - for late draft picks. But nobody has the same expectation for them that they would have for, say, a Top 3 pick.

It would have meant having some experienced young players on cheap contracts, and enough cap space to pay for some really good FA's. Instead, this team is handcuffed by the cap, and has a number of young guys who are going to have to get paid to stay. Which will put the team back into cap jail. It's about timing and roster construction. If you think it's just about losing some games, why... oh never mind. I already know the answer.

[duncan2k5]

It's going to take more than tanking. It's going to mean making moves to assemble a team that can play basketball on both sides of the ball. Ask Toronto. They were willing to trade a beloved player for a "chance" on a weird, malcontent, soon to be Unrestricted free agent who fucking knows how to score & defend. He's probably going to bolt on them and they are ok with it because they knew Demar sure as hell wasn't the answer.

This!!!

[spursistan]

Unfortunately, us self-admitted, spoiled fans learned what "winners" and winning basketball look like. It aint this.

:tu.

This team positively sucks. It is just not the level of talent as much as it is the type of talent..

It is almost as if somebody told them to go corner the market on career losers (or perceived ones): who would've thought- only 5 years after the peak of the Beautiful Game--- the Top 3-4 best players on our roster would be Aldridge, Derozan and Rudy Gay? :lol

You can afford to have one of that archetype in in a secondary or tertiary role, but three is total overkill..

Short of a sweep at the hands of the Nuggets (not the Dubs), I don't expect any sort of long, hard look at the roster from this stale front office..They will chalk it up to Murray's torn ACL and will move on..

[monty4329]

Nobody cares about the streak other than Spur fans.

That's the whole point, isn't it?

[SouthTexasRancher]

:tu.

This team positively sucks. It is just not the level of talent as much as it is the type of talent..

It is almost as if somebody told them to go corner the market on career losers (or perceived ones): who would've thought- only 5 years after the peak of the Beautiful Game--- the Top 3-4 best players on our roster would be Aldridge, Derozan and Rudy Gay? :lol

You can afford to have one of that archetype in in a secondary or tertiary role, but three is total overkill..

Short of a sweep at the hands of the Nuggets (not the Dubs), I don't expect any sort of long, hard look at the roster from this stale front office..They will chalk it up to Murray's torn ACL and will move on..

Spot on...!

[NASpurs]

Damn, some powerful atomic truth nukes in the last couple of pages in this thread.

[jjktkk]

You should just start every post with that.

Nobody said anything about a fucking guarantee, you twit. There are no guarantees. Except I can guarantee you that if the team doesn't have enough talent, it isn't going to contend for a championship.No shit dumbass. Who knew that Zeus was so schooled in building a NBA champion. The problem with your idea, is PATFO does not want rebuild, rather add earound LA and DeRozan.


Tanking meant a LOT more than just losing games. The point was that they would have gotten rid of some players, rather than overpaying them. That means that for a year, they would have been playing some younger, lesser-experienced players. That would have cleared cap space, and at the same time it would have given those young players some valuable floor time against top-level competition.I agree with overpaying veteran players. I hated the Gasol contract and, to a lesser extinct, the Mills contract. But Pop did play "lesser experienced players" in Pertle and D. White. and if D. Murray hadn't of torn his ACL, he would of played as well, so I don't know what the hell you're trying to imply there. [/QUOTE]


It would have meant getting a high enough draft pick to pick up a legitimate impact player. Not guaranteeing a generational talent like Tim, but someone who has more skills and upside than White and Murray. Those guys are very good - for late draft picks. But nobody has the same expectation for them that they would have for, say, a Top 3 pick.

It would have meant having some experienced young players on cheap contracts, and enough cap space to pay for some really good FA's. Instead, this team is handcuffed by the cap, and has a number of young guys who are going to have to get paid to stay. Which will put the team back into cap jail. It's about timing and roster construction. If you think it's just about losing some games, why... oh never mind. I already know the answer.I'm shocked that you're not running a NBA team by now. You just drew up the perfect plan to build a NBA team! So all the Spurs need is some "really good FA's" to FINALLY come to S.A. right? Oh boy, I bet these FAs are already forming a line outside R.C.'s door just waiting to sign up! And going by your logic, you think Murray and White "are very good - for late draft picks, but they're still good enough to get "paid"? So you just want to let them leave so you can bring in these "young experienced players" you covet, right? Wow, this is Brilliant! I think I'm conversing with Jerry West Jr. on ST!

[jjktkk]

Everybody knows this team is flawed and is mediocre at best. Obviously the bar is set high for this franchise, as it should be. But after Leonard forced his way out of town, what were you were realistically expecting in one year, a new dynasty? As we know, because of Leonard, PATFO, was forced to scramble around and try to get some sort of value for him in a trade, which they did by trading him to the Raptors. You can hate the trade, but the Spurs did get a very good player in DeRozan and a good, young, developing player in Pertl, plus a 1st round draft pick. Rather you agree or not, PATFO does not want to rebuild, but rather build around LA, and Demar. Right now this team is incomplete., so I'm not expecting much for them in the playoffs. But I am anxious to see what moves they make this Summer, and having a healthy Murray back will do for this team.
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[spursistan]

Aldridge and Derozan have missed a total of 6 games all season mostly resting-- which is the least among all West playoffs teams top 2 players combo-- and yet this team is going to barely make the postseason (mostly likley thanks to Lebron injury)..

60 millions for such a low-impact core (in late prime)...

[TimDunkem]

Aldridge and Derozan have missed a total of 6 games all season mostly resting-- which is the least among all West playoffs teams top 2 players combo-- and yet this team is going to barely make the postseason (mostly likley thanks to Lebron injury)..

60 millions for such a low-impact core (in late prime)...

It's really sad how far this franchise has fallen. There was a time when we would laugh at teams like the Raptors (remember that great prime Rudy and DD team?), Trailblazers, and Suns for sporting these types of "stars" and barely making the playoffs.

Now this forum thinks we're just a player away from winning it all with a Gay/DD/LMA core. :lmao

[spursistan]

It's really sad how far this franchise has fallen. There was a time when we would laugh at teams like the Raptors (remember that great prime Rudy and DD team?), Trailblazers, and Suns for sporting these types of "stars" and barely making the playoffs.

Now this forum thinks we're just a player away from winning it all with a Gay/DD/LMA core. :lmao

I have said in another thread that going from the Beautiful Game to an Aldridge/Derozan/Gay core in space of 5 years is probably the most cruel joke ever played on a franchise :lol..

Absolutely surreal how the tables have turned for this organization-- and sadly some it is self-inflicted.

[sasaint]

Aldridge and Derozan have missed a total of 6 games all season mostly resting-- which is the least among all West playoffs teams top 2 players combo-- and yet this team is going to barely make the postseason (mostly likley thanks to Lebron injury)..

60 millions for such a low-impact core (in late prime)...

Preach, brother, preach. :tu

[RC_Drunkford]

What this team needs is to get rid of Forbes and Mills. If you play Walker and Murray instead of Mills and Forbes that already improves the team. Spurs have to make a trade. They should take a serious look at this roster in the offseason and change some things, I don't like the idea of this roster coming back with draft picks and Murray added. They gotta do more

[TDomination]

What this team needs is to get rid of Forbes and Mills. If you play Walker and Murray instead of Mills and Forbes that already improves the team. Spurs have to make a trade. They should take a serious look at this roster in the offseason and change some things, I don't like the idea of this roster coming back with draft picks and Murray added. They gotta do more

Its depressing to know that It can be as simple as playing 2 of our own players in front of 2 other players to make us better and yet it won't happen. Not even close.

Our lack of D is the obvious culprit of our putridness. But once again well see patty and Forbes next year.

[TimDunkem]

Its depressing to know that It can be as simple as playing 2 of our own players in front of 2 other players to make us better and yet it won't happen. Not even close.

Our lack of D is the obvious culprit of our putridness. But once again well see patty and Forbes next year.

Hey! It wouldn't be fair to Patty and Forbes!:drunk

[sasaint]

I have said in another thread that going from the Beautiful Game to an Aldridge/Derozan/Gay core in space of 5 years is probably the most cruel joke ever played on a franchise :lol..

Absolutely surreal how the tables have turned for this organization-- and sadly some it is self-inflicted.

Don't omit the role Number 2 played, with his iso game that was inaugurated by Pop. That marked the death of any semblance of the Beautiful Game.

[SouthTexasRancher]

George Hill and Coach Bud with the Bucks.
Danny Green and KaWhitter with the Raptors.
Coach Brett Brown with the 76'ers.
Coach Kerr with the Warriors.

If Danny, KaWhitter were still playing with the Spurs and Dejounte Murray was healthy and Steve Kerr was our head coach and Bud and Brett were Kerr's assistants we would maybe..........damn, the alarm woke me up.

[duncan2k5]

For the long term viability of this team, we need to trade LMA and DDR... Just like the clippers made the right move in trading their stars once they saw that they hit a ceiling with them they would never get past... We will never sniff a finals with these two as our stars, especially given their age compared to the ages of the other stars in the west... Trade now!