Rockets fans want to lump our teams together lol.

[Collins21]

When you go on ClutchFans a bunch of posters keep saying Pop and D'antoni need to retire. Nah as horrible as the Spurs are they are set up better for the future that the Rockets. Hell I believe if they play Walker and ban Shitty players lie Marco and Forbes they could turn it around. The thing is being a Spurs fan since 94 I know Pop won't do it.

[TheGreatYacht]

Both teams are actually extremely similar at the moment.

Harden and DeRozan hate defense and the playoffs. Paul and Aldridge are 33 years old and received extensions for the next 3 years. Both teams got rid of their best defenders in the offseason. Home crowds are the worst in the league. Both have 70 year old coaches who don't adjust (only one got to coach 5 HOF's).

At this point I'm not even sure which team has a brighter future. They have Capela the perfect modern day Center. Our two guards with potential have 3 combined knee surgeries this early in their careers. It will all depend on if PATFO put the team over their egos and truly rebuild. Trade Rudy and Aldridge for picks, get Fatty's contract the fuck out of here etc.

[SuperCam]

Capella is by far better than any 24 or under prospect spur has tbh. and free agents will choose houston 1000 times out of a 1000 over fat antonio

[Fusternino]

Both teams are actually extremely similar at the moment.

Harden and DeRozan hate defense and the playoffs. Paul and Aldridge are 33 years old and received extensions for the next 3 years. Both teams got rid of their best defenders in the offseason. Home crowds are the worst in the league. Both have 70 year old coaches who don't adjust (only one got to coach 5 HOF's).

At this point I'm not even sure which team has a brighter future. They have Capela the perfect modern day Center. Our two guards with potential have 3 combined knee surgeries this early in their careers. It will all depend on if PATFO put the team over their egos and truly rebuild. Trade Rudy and Aldridge for picks, get Fatty's contract the fuck out of here etc.

Solid take especially on the defenders. This is why I wanted to trade Kawhi for Harris and Harrell S&T + picks so that we could get back the same offense and defense but unfortunately spread over two players.

Who would take Rudy? Not sure we could get much beyond a 2nd and a salary dump.

[Robz4000]

Capella is by far better than any 24 or under prospect spur has tbh. and free agents will choose houston 1000 times out of a 1000 over fat antonio

This unfortunately.

[Spurtacular]

Rockets suck. Their inability to even sniff 100 cost me my biggest parlay tonight.

[J_Paco]

Capella is by far better than any 24 or under prospect spur has tbh. and free agents will choose houston 1000 times out of a 1000 over fat antonio

Both Murray and Walker IV have a higher ceiling than Capela. Either could become an all-star or possibly top 5 player at his postion. .

Capela is a quality starter, maybe top 10 at his position, but is extremely limited on offense and dependent on other players (namely Harden and Paul) to score. He's also a bit undersized (only 6'10") and not bulky or strong.

Clearly, he's better than a rookie and currently injured 3rd year player but his long-term potential can't touch either guys (especially in a guard dominant/perimeter oriented NBA).

And the Spurs have other quality prospects in Poetl, Metu, White and (maybe) Moore (if he can carve out a path to the main roster).

The Rockets have Gary Clark (who?), Vince Edward and Danuel House........

[SAGirl]

I do like Capela but I agree with Jpaco that Walker and Murray have higher ceilings. Whether they reach it, whether their bodies hold up, knees hold up, etc it remains to be seen but they are good prospects.

[J_Paco]

I do like Capela but I agree with Jpaco that Walker and Murray have higher ceilings. Whether they reach it, whether their bodies hold up, knees hold up, etc it remains to be seen but they are good prospects.

Exactly, and I'd be more than shocked if Capela isn't already at his peak (or hovering around it). It'll be even tougher on him to score once Harden or Paul begin to really, really slow down.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

If you think this team has problems, the Rockets are worse ! They are close to what the lost all season last year

[TDMVPDPOY]

the only think they have in common was they got rid of their perimeter defensive players for trash that plays no lick of defense...

[ragas]

Capella is by far better than any 24 or under prospect spur has tbh. and free agents will choose houston 1000 times out of a 1000 over fat antonio

Compare Capella's & Poeltl's per36 or advanced numbers on basketball-reference. I wouldn't say "far better". And it's Capella's 5th season vs. Poeltl's 3rd.

[testies]

my only hope is if Manu becomes the coach, I know its farfetched but players really admire the mexican for some reason. he'd be the only free agent attraction we'd have. because who wants to come to the fat antonio concentration camp otherwise?

[r0drig0lac]

the only think they have in common was they got rid of their perimeter defensive players for trash that plays no lick of defense...

fair

[FutureMan]

No doubt the Spurs are in a better position going forward. Even if you try to compare Aldridge and Paul being 33 and getting contract extensions, Paul’s is far worse. He has an extra year because of a player option so he will be 36! That last year makes 44 million ��

[SuperCam]

I do like Capela but I agree with Jpaco that Walker and Murray have higher ceilings. Whether they reach it, whether their bodies hold up, knees hold up, etc it remains to be seen but they are good prospects.

this is spur homer talking points. walker is useless to discuss since there's so little pro tape that you might as well extend that logic about 25 rookies a year. nothing in his college tape justifies it. as for murray, he's the only one with an actual chance to potentially be better, but he would have to develop far more than capella would have to develop, because at the moment he's not even a top 20 starting PG. and big men usually come along slower than guards so that's another advantage for capella.

put it this way: regardless of the rest of the roster, if houston were offered a murray/capella swap straight-up, they would laugh at that offer.

[SAGirl]

this is spur homer talking points. walker is useless to discuss since there's so little pro tape that you might as well extend that logic about 25 rookies a year. nothing in his college tape justifies it. as for murray, he's the only one with an actual chance to potentially be better, but he would have to develop far more than capella would have to develop, because at the moment he's not even a top 20 starting PG. and big men usually come along slower than guards so that's another advantage for capella.

put it this way: regardless of the rest of the roster, if houston were offered a murray/capella swap straight-up, they would laugh at that offer.

Well they need a Capela and not a Murray let's begin there.

However, Walker is not useless to discuss. Sure, he is a rookie that got injured and thus not played an NBA game, and he was also injured in college, so you don't really have much tape. But there's tape where you can see he is athletic and has a sweet looking jump shot. He's going to get much better if his knee allows it. This is what fandom is about. You get excited about prospects like this. There's guys like this every draft, or at least every other draft, who can outperform draft position. And he has that potential.

Murray is still a young guard who barely played his rook season truth be told and looked incredibly raw in very few minutes he did play. His second season he got 2nd team all D and that might be considered his real "rook" season. It was the first time he was allowed to play. This third season he was going to get more freedom to play his game, free to run around, push the tempo, play to his strengths etc. Yup it's a homer take, but they have looked good already at the ladder they are at and can climb so much more.

For a team like the Spurs that need to look to the future, it's better to have a Murray and a Walker than a Capella, who might as well be a Jakob in this team.

[Nivek_ogre]

Capella will never have more upside than Murray. Seriously wtf.

[Collins21]

Man y'all are overrating Cappella dude was a straight bum is first few years in the league. Hell I don't think he's that great now. Murray looks legit and I think Walker will be a star. The Spurs when alone by not paying Chris Paul 40 million dollars at 36. Ya'll blast and rightfully so the Gasol contact but at the same age Paul will be making 2x that. I know every front office is better than the Spurs according to y'all. However I have actual fact not just emotion that proves that the Spurs have a bright future.

[Nivek_ogre]

People acting like Cappella is Tyson Chandler. More like Marcin gortat or bismack biyombo.

[Dex]

No doubt the Spurs are in a better position going forward. Even if you try to compare Aldridge and Paul being 33 and getting contract extensions, Paul’s is far worse. He has an extra year because of a player option so he will be 36! That last year makes 44 million ��

It's not even close.

CP3 is already starting to look like age is catching up with him, and they are stuck paying him ~/$40M per through 2022. As his speed leaves him, he is no longer going to be the same player or defender.

Aldridge's game relies less on his athleticism, and Spurs are "only" paying him ~$25M per over the next three years. Big difference.

Not to mention that the Spurs have young assets. Murray and Walker look like they could be studs. White has a chance to be a good player if he can get it together. Poetl's floor is at least a serviceable big man. Pau's contract is likely gone after this season, and Mills will come off the books soon enough.

The only young player that is worth a damn on the Rockets is Capela, and he's almost making as much as Aldridge to just chase rebounds and catch lobs.

The Rockets sold out their future and went all in on this season to get back to the WCF or better, and they are crashing and burning in spectacular fashion.

[FutureMan]

It's not even close.

CP3 is already starting to look like age is catching up with him, and they are stuck paying him ~/$40M per through 2022. As his speed leaves him, he is no longer going to be the same player or defender.

Aldridge's game relies less on his athleticism, and Spurs are "only" paying him ~$25M per over the next three years. Big difference.

Not to mention that the Spurs have young assets. Murray and Walker look like they could be studs. White has a chance to be a good player if he can get it together. Poetl's floor is at least a serviceable big man. Pau's contract is likely gone after this season, and Mills will come off the books soon enough.

The only young player that is worth a damn on the Rockets is Capela, and he's almost making as much as Aldridge to just chase rebounds and catch lobs.

The Rockets sold out their future and went all in on this season to get back to the WCF or better, and they are crashing and burning in spectacular fashion.

Exactly! It will be over for them if they can’t turn it around this year or next year.

[E20]

it's sad they would do that as currently the rockets are better than the spurs

[Collins21]

Are they really? I mean they get blown out just as often as the Spurs. Difference is they have a MVP and the Spurs don't.

[exstatic]

I do like Capela but I agree with Jpaco that Walker and Murray have higher ceilings. Whether they reach it, whether their bodies hold up, knees hold up, etc it remains to be seen but they are good prospects.

Walker certainly does, and Murray is probably the guard version of Capela, lots of athleticism and defense. Walker could be a high quality two way player. Capela is really dependent on others for his offense, lobs etc.

[DAF86]

They can have Aldridge, we would take Capella.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I would have never guessed before the season that the best team from Texas this year would be the Mavericks.

[exstatic]

I would have never guessed before the season that the best team from Texas this year would be the Mavericks.

You might not guess that after the season, either. We're roughly 1/3 through.

SPAM

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

You might not guess that after the season, either. We're roughly 1/3 through.

SPAM

I'm with you. :tu

[exstatic]

I'm with you. :tu

I think Walker is the key. He could be like a turbocharger kicking in. People think that Pop won't play him, but history doesn't show that. If you're a high enough draft pick, you'll stick and play with the big club. 2011: Kawhi stuck, played, and started by the end of the year, but Cory, drafted late in the first that same year, spent a lot of time in Austin. Murray, drafted late first, spent a lot of time in Austin. White, drafted late in the first, spent a lot of time in Austin. We just don't have those mid first rounders that often. The Spurs, according to sauces, had White in the top 10 on their board.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I think Walker is the key. He could be like a turbocharger kicking in. People think that Pop won't play him, but history doesn't show that. If you're a high enough draft pick, you'll stick and play with the big club. 2011: Kawhi stuck, played, and started by the end of the year, but Cory, drafted late in the first that same year, spent a lot of time in Austin. Murray, drafted late first, spent a lot of time in Austin. White, drafted late in the first, spent a lot of time in Austin. We just don't have those mid first rounders that often. The Spurs, according to sauces, had White in the top 10 on their board.

I'm excited to see him play with the big club. I think a lot of Pop's contingency plan with Kawhi's departure revolved around Murray, and I do think Walker played a large role in those plans. Losing both, along with everything else that went down in the off season, certainly sets the team back.

[Maddog]

It's not even close.

CP3 is already starting to look like age is catching up with him, and they are stuck paying him ~/$40M per through 2022. As his speed leaves him, he is no longer going to be the same player or defender.

Aldridge's game relies less on his athleticism, and Spurs are "only" paying him ~$25M per over the next three years. Big difference.

Not to mention that the Spurs have young assets. Murray and Walker look like they could be studs. White has a chance to be a good player if he can get it together. Poetl's floor is at least a serviceable big man. Pau's contract is likely gone after this season, and Mills will come off the books soon enough.

The only young player that is worth a damn on the Rockets is Capela, and he's almost making as much as Aldridge to just chase rebounds and catch lobs.

The Rockets sold out their future and went all in on this season to get back to the WCF or better, and they are crashing and burning in spectacular fashion.

I agree 100%
In 21/22 the Rockets are commited to 106 million, with only 3 players of which one will be a 36 year CP3 and a 32 year old James Harden

I like Capela, but wonder how he would od on another team without CP3 and Harden?

[HarlemHeat37]

Have to salute Chris Paul, he's a cold-ass hustler:lol

Influenced the CBA to allow himself to get paid as much as possible while visibly breaking down as a player at a position that ages poorly..

[exstatic]

Have to salute Chris Paul, he's a cold-ass hustler:lol

Influenced the CBA to allow himself to get paid as much as possible while visibly breaking down as a player at a position that ages poorly..

It's funny that people complain about Patty's contract. The WHOLE THING, over 4 years, is like 10M more than ONE YEAR of CP3's deal.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Murray's ceiling is basically Shaun livingston

[NASpurs]

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[SAGirl]

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interesting plot to hear about some other team's implosion. If one of the Spurs were to come out with something like this they would be traded faster than SJAX.

But privately I don't think Spurs are having fun either.

[SuperCam]

Well they need a Capela and not a Murray let's begin there.


Murray is still a young guard who barely played his rook season truth be told and looked incredibly raw in very few minutes he did play. His second season he got 2nd team all D and that might be considered his real "rook" season. It was the first time he was allowed to play. This third season he was going to get more freedom to play his game, free to run around, push the tempo, play to his strengths etc. Yup it's a homer take, but they have looked good already at the ladder they are at and can climb so much more.


He was allowed to play and the offense looked like shit whenever he'd be running it, much worse than an aged Tony Parker orchestrating it. atrocious shooter too, not nkiltina bad but he'd be lucky to shoot as good as patrick beverly so what does he really offer? a good perimeter defending PG in a league in which there are 12 all star caliber point guards who because of how athletic they are and how good their handles are they can't really be guarded one on one anyways especially with the current rules?

no one gives a shit about murray outside this board tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

He was allowed to play and the offense looked like shit whenever he'd be running it, much worse than an aged Tony Parker orchestrating it. atrocious shooter too, not nkiltina bad but he'd be lucky to shoot as good as patrick beverly so what does he really offer? a good perimeter defending PG in a league in which there are 12 all star caliber point guards who because of how athletic they are and how good their handles are they can't really be guarded one on one anyways especially with the current rules?

no one gives a shit about murray outside this board tbh.
My favorite post was by that JPaco idiot saying the Spurs have some interesting prospects in Poeltl, White, Metu, and some GLeague player :lol then follows it by naming young Rockets players and saying "(who?)"

[NameLess Scrub]

It's hard for me to get too hyped about a PG with cuestionable handles who doesn't seem to have learned to shoot properly. The athleticism and defense is exciting, but I don't know if we can expect more than that..

I'd be glad if he developed into a star of course.

[exstatic]

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This is fucking karma for the way he Kawhied himself out of New Orleans after he was involved in the CP3 to LAC trade, going the other way.

[therealtruth]

Murray's ceiling is basically Shaun livingston

He could be a better defensive version of TP once he nails the jumpshot down.

[J_Paco]

My favorite post was by that JPaco idiot saying the Spurs have some interesting prospects in Poeltl, White, Metu, and some GLeague player :lol then follows it by naming young Rockets players and saying "(who?)"

You are just a hating ass bitch.

All three of those guys plus Walker and Murray are a good starting point. Clearly, like back in 2008 - 2011 the front-office needs to find a linchpin/stud (ala Kawhi) and/or quality swingman/combo forward prospect (ala Mile Bridges) and their future looks much, much better than Houston.

Houston's young talent consists of two flame outs in Michael Carter-Williams, Marquesse Chriss and Vince Edwards.

Capela is practically a finished product at this point. Catch lobs, putbacks, rebound and defend....

Also, Metu ceiling isn't nearly as high as the 1st rounders but his physical profile matches up with a lot of modern day PF/C's.

Yeah, but just continue hurling empty insults and bringing little intelligent or thoughtful discussion to the boards, "Kawhi Blow Job Brigade" leader.

[JeffDuncan]

By the way, Ruck the Fockets.

[JPB]

interesting plot to hear about some other team's implosion. If one of the Spurs were to come out with something like this they would be traded faster than SJAX.

But privately I don't think Spurs are having fun either.

They're just quitting on Don'tToni.

[Clipper Nation]

Both teams are actually extremely similar at the moment.

Harden and DeRozan hate defense and the playoffs. Paul and Aldridge are 33 years old and received extensions for the next 3 years. Both teams got rid of their best defenders in the offseason. Home crowds are the worst in the league. Both have 70 year old coaches who don't adjust (only one got to coach 5 HOF's).

At this point I'm not even sure which team has a brighter future. They have Capela the perfect modern day Center. Our two guards with potential have 3 combined knee surgeries this early in their careers. It will all depend on if PATFO put the team over their egos and truly rebuild. Trade Rudy and Aldridge for picks, get Fatty's contract the fuck out of here etc.
Don't forget how both teams have two of the most overrated GMs of all time. Despite all the analytics posturing, Morey is the typical antiquated NBA GM who's obsessed with chuckers and "big names" over team ball. He got fleeced in the CP0 trade by the real GOAT GM Jerry West. And then there's RC, who only cares about "culture" and "corporate knowledge," not talent.