Skip Bayless: Greg Popovich is a little overrated

[JohnnyMax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPD8vzv3I7c&t=11m42s

[TheGreatYacht]

Tldw; time stamp?

[CitizenDwayne]

I think nba coaches in general are “a little overrated”. So sure I agree

[TheGreatYacht]

11:42
Thanks

Skip speaking truth. He has always been overrated and is getting exposed this year without his 3 HOF's.

[Lonnie Walker IV]

Fuck that faggot. :lmao :lmao

[Ragamuffin]

36 ponits first half for lakers nice denfese spurs.... ufff

[TimDunkem]

He deserves credit for instilling a system and reforming a small market franchise that never won anything. He deserves credit for being able to adjust his style on the fly, and squeeze out the most of mediocre talent in his prime.

But at the end of the day, the Big 3/Kawhi won those games out on the court. Now that he is past his prime whether due to lack of interest, loss of his wife, his ego or senility, and now that those great players are gone, Pop has become what we see now...A tired, confused, withered shell of his former self.

[SpursDynasty85]

Didn't see the video but, yes, Popovich is a little overrated. The rest of the credit should go to Robinson and Duncan for the culture they helped start which in turn gave Popovich the no nonsense culture plus a lot of ownership support. That and Manu and Parker helped a lot too of course. He is still top notch but not this mythical legend people make him to be.

[dbestpro]

Pop overrated? Ya think?

[phxspurfan]

Pop's Stonecutter shit is a big part of what made his teams overachieve. They never had the Kobe/Shaq etc but they had discipline. That proved to be enough many years. Boring style of defense too, but sound fundamentals and good concepts borrowed from guys like Larry Brown. He learned from the best and also benefitted from drafting a couple quality guys (Tony/Manu). Also Tim staying was a huge deal. He was a Tim/Tony whisperer.

[Kobe'sAchilles]

If Bob Hill knew what the f*** a double team is then we would've rung in 95. Even with the Rodman sabotage. Good riddance to him

[dbestpro]

He deserves credit for instilling a system and reforming a small market franchise that never won anything. He deserves credit for being able to adjust his style on the fly, and squeeze out the most of mediocre talent in his prime.

But at the end of the day, the Big 3/Kawhi won those games out on the court. Now that he is past his prime whether due to lack of interest, loss of his wife, his ego or senility, and now that those great players are gone, Pop has become what we see now...A tired, confused, withered shell of his former self.

You act like this team was the Clippers. I feel sorry for you that you never knew the bruise brothers, Gervin, Nater, Silas, Mitchell, Cummings, etc. This team has been a winner more than not even before Pop.

[MannyIsGod]

No team wins a title without elite talent. Plenty of NBA coaches waste elite talent. Think of all the guys who have never won a ring yet were damn amazing players.

Pop is not overrated at all. At the end of the day, he'll be in the top 3 of NBA coaches of ALL TIME. This talk starts up now because the Spurs look like they'll miss the playoffs for the first time in TWO DECADES. Show me another coach who has had that kind of run with different styles and different eras in the NBA. You're not going to find one.

[Mugen]

Meh current day Pop isn't the Pop of even 2014 tbh....

He stopped giving a fuck right after that title and I don't really blame him , but he's the biggest reason the team is where they are now....hopefully he steps aside sooner rather than later both from a coaching and front office perspective tbh....

[Russ]

Skip has a close source within the Spurs FO from whom he gets most of his takes.

Pure speculation, but . . .

If Skip is saying that Pop is overrated, that could possibly reflect some opinion to that effect within the Spurs.

[Collins21]

I'm not arguing that Pop isn't overrated. However Skip couldn't jump of the bandwagon fast enough though!!

[Nivek_ogre]

I have mixed feelings
Yes he Stabbed Bob Hill in the Back
Maybe Bob Hill deserved it
Sure he finds talent on the court and in the front office on the bench
Then he probably underminds those talents
But he is a bit of a JERK especially to Media (hey they are just doing their JOBS like YOU old hag but they don't make MILLIONS)
Then again always preaching "Get over themselves" when being a Jerk to the Media is "Not being over himself"

So I guess YEAH FUCK THIS GUY...maybe...

mean his wife dead

then again if my wife were sick Maybe I retire in 2014 and enjoy some golden years with your wife
give it to any of my two proteges to run the ship(again evidence of the not being over himself thing)

So Confusing This Pop Guy

Geez...... Fuck anyone who still brings up Bob Hill. He fucking sucked. And fuck bringing up being rude to the media. I think it's hilarious. And definitely fuck drew Carrey

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Skip has also called him the GOAT how many times?

[coachmac87]

Who’s the best tho?

[JeffDuncan]

Skip Bayless talking about somebody being overrated.....

[HWoodNixon]

A little?

[jmard5]

Thanks

Skip speaking truth. He has always been overrated and is getting exposed this year without his 3 HOF's.

Not overrated. Those 3 won't be HOFs with multiple championships without Pop and vice versa. This relationship was a blessing to the Spurs franchise.

Sometimes, I feel this current fan base as entitled even spoiled. What gives? :rolleyes

[J_Paco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPD8vzv3I7c&t=11m42s

His "system" and the overvaluing of it by the media is the issue. Pop is a great coach, especially in his prime seasons, but like all great coaches he needs (elite) talent to excel.

[J_Paco]

No team wins a title without elite talent. Plenty of NBA coaches waste elite talent. Think of all the guys who have never won a ring yet were damn amazing players.

Pop is not overrated at all. At the end of the day, he'll be in the top 3 of NBA coaches of ALL TIME. This talk starts up now because the Spurs look like they'll miss the playoffs for the first time in TWO DECADES. Show me another coach who has had that kind of run with different styles and different eras in the NBA. You're not going to find one.

Where is that "Haters gonna hate" gif when you need it?

[SpurPadre]

Pop's Stonecutter shit is a big part of what made his teams overachieve. They never had the Kobe/Shaq etc but they had discipline. That proved to be enough many years. Boring style of defense too, but sound fundamentals and good concepts borrowed from guys like Larry Brown. He learned from the best and also benefitted from drafting a couple quality guys (Tony/Manu). Also Tim staying was a huge deal. He was a Tim/Tony whisperer.

You make it sound like TD isn't in their league and that Admiral wasn't named amongst the 50 greatest players of all time. TF you talking about, tbh?!

[r0drig0lac]

Didn't see the video but, yes, Popovich is a little overrated. The rest of the credit should go to Robinson and Duncan for the culture they helped start which in turn gave Popovich the no nonsense culture plus a lot of ownership support. That and Manu and Parker helped a lot too of course. He is still top notch but not this mythical legend people make him to be.

people have always done this to try to minimize Tim Duncan (the real spur culture ) compared to other basketball legends (Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, KG, etc....)

[azarel]

You make it sound like TD isn't in their league and that Admiral wasn't named amongst the 50 greatest players of all time. TF you talking about, tbh?!

it's not like we had both TD and Admiral playing in their prime together.... unlike kobe/shaq who were at their peak during their championship run.

[bic50]

people have always done this to try to minimize Tim Duncan (the real spur culture ) compared to other basketball legends (Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, KG, etc....)
Spur culture that we know started with drob and avery

[Biggems]

Pop might come across as an asshole, may very well be. Still, unlike Phil, he acknowledges the greatness and accomlishments of his players. He has long made it known that his accolades are a direct result of the hard work, sacrifice, and performance of his players and the work of his coaching staff.

[james evans]

Not overrated. Those 3 won't be HOFs with multiple championships without Pop and vice versa. This relationship was a blessing to the Spurs franchise.

Sometimes, I feel this current fan base as entitled even spoiled. What gives? :rolleyes
If Duncan goes to Orlando with Tmac , it’s over for the league

[Raven]

well, he may be overrated, but it's not really arguable that he's the best bball coach of all time. Not even a legitimate competition tbh.

[SpurPadre]

well, he may be overrated, but it's not really arguable that he's the best bball coach of all time. Not even a legitimate competition tbh.

THIS

[sananspursfan21]

Current Pop overrated? Sure. Pop in our Spurs’ heyday/all time? Absolutely not. Anyone who says otherwise is blowing with the wind or a total idiot.

[John B]

Give the guy a break. He got sabotaged by his chosen heir, plus injuries to his budding All NBA Defensive team, 1st pick, White, losing Green and Kyle’s defense. The best he got in return is a mid-range shooter whose bball style is outdated in today’s bball. And it’s not like San Antonio is the dream destination for FA’s that everyone come knocking. It’s unfair to judge when he has to coach scrubs. I always say other teams have their Timmy/DRob (not prime as a matter of fact when he played with Timmy). How many playoffs did Kobe/Shaq miss? Ewing, Barkeley, Stockton/Malone, TMac/Ming, Iverson. The last time I checked they’re HOF’s. Any rings? Zero. We had 21 years straight playoff appearances, 5 rings, Division titles, etc. Spurs fans are spoiled and easily take for granted what RC/Pops assembled throughout the years. While 4 years only the beautiful game with aging big 3 and a 2nd year budding star sent LeBron (at his prime) and the banana boat packing. That alone should erase any questions about Pops ability as coach period. Nope he’s not overrated and it’s a sad day when he finally packs up and gone. Knowing Pops he first wants to fix the mess that Kiwi left, before he calls it quits. For now I appreciate Pops for all he’s done to the city of San Antonio. Cheers :bobo

[jmard5]

Give the guy a break. He got sabotaged by his chosen heir, plus injuries to his budding All NBA Defensive team, 1st pick, White, losing Green and Kyle’s defense. The best he got in return is a mid-range shooter whose bball style is outdated in today’s bball. And it’s not like San Antonio is the dream destination for FA’s that everyone come knocking. It’s unfair to judge when he has to coach scrubs. I always say other teams have their Timmy/DRob (not prime as a matter of fact when he played with Timmy). How many playoffs did Kobe/Shaq miss? Ewing, Barkeley, Stockton/Malone, TMac/Ming, Iverson. The last time I checked they’re HOF’s. Any rings? Zero. We had 21 years straight playoff appearances, 5 rings, Division titles, etc. Spurs fans are spoiled and easily take for granted what RC/Pops assembled throughout the years. While 4 years only the beautiful game with aging big 3 and a 2nd year budding star sent LeBron (at his prime) and the banana boat packing. That alone should erase any questions about Pops ability as coach period. Nope he’s not overrated and it’s a sad day when he finally packs up and gone. Knowing Pops he first wants to fix the mess that Kiwi left, before he calls it quits. For now I appreciate Pops for all he’s done to the city of San Antonio. Cheers :bobo

Exactly. That is why I said this current fan base is spoiled. Appreciate what the man did to San Antonio, to TD, Tony and Manu, etc. because you may not see that again in your lifetime. Carried by TD, Tony and Manu? Seriously. Who are you to say that especially when all of you haven't coached a single team in the NBA. The Spurs utilized what they have - late picks, D-leaguers, unknowns and then still have a winning record against all the other teams. Let's see that replicated in your lifetime. The glass is half full, you all are seeing it half empty. Sheesh.

[UZER]

One can appreciate and still recognize it’s time to step away.

[Arcadian]

Yes. We've known this.

[Proxy]

skip needs someone to pay attention to him

[RC_Drunkford]

Give the guy a break. He got sabotaged by his chosen heir, plus injuries to his budding All NBA Defensive team, 1st pick, White, losing Green and Kyle’s defense. The best he got in return is a mid-range shooter whose bball style is outdated in today’s bball. And it’s not like San Antonio is the dream destination for FA’s that everyone come knocking. It’s unfair to judge when he has to coach scrubs. I always say other teams have their Timmy/DRob (not prime as a matter of fact when he played with Timmy). How many playoffs did Kobe/Shaq miss? Ewing, Barkeley, Stockton/Malone, TMac/Ming, Iverson. The last time I checked they’re HOF’s. Any rings? Zero. We had 21 years straight playoff appearances, 5 rings, Division titles, etc. Spurs fans are spoiled and easily take for granted what RC/Pops assembled throughout the years. While 4 years only the beautiful game with aging big 3 and a 2nd year budding star sent LeBron (at his prime) and the banana boat packing. That alone should erase any questions about Pops ability as coach period. Nope he’s not overrated and it’s a sad day when he finally packs up and gone. Knowing Pops he first wants to fix the mess that Kiwi left, before he calls it quits. For now I appreciate Pops for all he’s done to the city of San Antonio. Cheers :bobo

Oh yeah let's not blame Pop for trading Green, not resigning Anderson, not playing Walker or Moore when they better than Cunningham, resigning Patty Mills for 50 million and signing a bunch of scrubs who can't play defense. That ain't Pop's fault...who's fault is it then? Did RC play Pop? You don't make sense. Pop is to blame cause Pop assembled the roster

[Silver&Black Warrior]

I have mixed feelings
Yes he Stabbed Bob Hill in the Back
Maybe Bob Hill deserved it
Sure he finds talent on the court and in the front office on the bench
Then he probably underminds those talents
But he is a bit of a JERK especially to Media (hey they are just doing their JOBS like YOU old hag but they don't make MILLIONS)
Then again always preaching "Get over themselves" when being a Jerk to the Media is "Not being over himself"

So I guess YEAH FUCK THIS GUY...maybe...

mean his wife dead

then again if my wife were sick Maybe I retire in 2014 and enjoy some golden years with your wife
give it to any of my two proteges to run the ship(again evidence of the not being over himself thing)

So Confusing This Pop Guy

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[UnWantedTheory]

The irony is that Pop most likely agrees. He has always attributed his success to TD, TP, Manu, etc.

[duncan2k5]

His "system" and the overvaluing of it by the media is the issue. Pop is a great coach, especially in his prime seasons, but like all great coaches he needs (elite) talent to excel.

LMA and DDR are more talented than all the clippers

[duncan2k5]

Exactly. That is why I said this current fan base is spoiled. Appreciate what the man did to San Antonio, to TD, Tony and Manu, etc. because you may not see that again in your lifetime. Carried by TD, Tony and Manu? Seriously. Who are you to say that especially when all of you haven't coached a single team in the NBA. The Spurs utilized what they have - late picks, D-leaguers, unknowns and then still have a winning record against all the other teams. Let's see that replicated in your lifetime. The glass is half full, you all are seeing it half empty. Sheesh.

Tim Duncan effect

[Kawhi_6rings]

Tim Duncan effect
AGREED............DUNCAN GAVE KACHOKE 2 DPOY AWARD..............

[Russ]

If Duncan goes to Orlando with Tmac , it’s over for the league

More like over for Duncan.

With Grant Hill's albatross of a long term deal, it's unlikely Orlando could have competed at the highest level even if Duncan came.

Orlando also had an incompetent FO which would (and did) screw up any potential advantage (like having the No. 1 pick in the NBA Draft two years in a row).

Moreover, there's no guarantee that TMac even would have been with the Magic if Duncan came -- it would have been hard to get three max-level FAs (TD, Hill and TMac) all in the same summer.

I think TMac would have been jettisoned by Orlando if TD and Hill both committed (despite Orlando's claims to the contrary). Then Duncan would have been stuck with Grant Hill's max deal and no help whatsoever on the court for years on end . . .

[james evans]

More like over for Duncan.

With Grant Hill's albatross of a long term deal, it's unlikely Orlando could have competed at the highest level even if Duncan came.

Orlando also had an incompetent FO which would (and did) screw up any potential advantage (like having the No. 1 pick in the NBA Draft two years in a row).

Moreover, there's no guarantee that TMac even would have been with the Magic if Duncan came -- it would have been hard to get three max-level FAs (TD, Hill and TMac) all in the same summer.

I think TMac would have been jettisoned by Orlando if TD and Hill both committed (despite Orlando's claims to the contrary). Then Duncan would have been stuck with Grant Hill's max deal and no help whatsoever on the court for years on end . . .
There is a reason I didn’t mention grant hill. If Duncan could win in 2003 with our lineup and in 2005 with Parker Getting his shit pushed in, surely you’re smart enough to believe him teaming with the best 2g in the game, who took Detroit to 7 by himself, would have ruled the EC. TMAC wouldn’t have gone anywhere. He didn’t leave Houston playing with the often injured Yao did he? Yea , another “Popovich made Duncan” post in disguise. This is what I’m talking about.

[Dverde]

We’ll see in the Olympics. Not even if they win, but how easy they win.

[Chucho]

Someone mentioned Pop stabbing Bob Hill in the back. Reminds me of the guy he just passed on the All Time Wins list stabbing Stan Van Gundy in the back and who was over rated as well.

[8FOR!3]

Pop the coach is flawed but has enough attributing qualities to be the greatest coach of all time. Pop the person is flawed just like the rest of us are but I think for the most part he tries to do good. Some of his political comments have bothered me, sometimes I'm not a fan of how he treats some of the local media members, but at the same time I've met him in person once saw firsthand how he treats people and well he doesn't seem so bad after all. Politically, maybe he just sees the world differently than I do. But in coaching he's arguably accomplished more than anybody and as a person he's accomplished more in humanitarianism than most people so who are we to judge the guy. If he's a little arrogant and hypocritical at times well it does seem that's human nature.

[exstatic]

Someone mentioned Pop stabbing Bob Hill in the back. Reminds me of the guy he just passed on the All Time Wins list stabbing Stan Van Gundy in the back and who was over rated as well.

Hill was a monkey dick who had lost the locker room. He took the credit when they won, and threw specific players under the bus when they didn't. The players approached Pop and ASKED him to get rid of Hill.

[spurs1990]

Concomitant to nothing, does anyone else dig Skip's referencing Leonard as "No. 2".... It's childish yes, but so fitting with the double meaning. A POS who both quit on the team and yanked his trade value with a demand.

https://twitter.com/realskipbayless/status/1073058277921980417?s=21

[Seventyniner]

Concomitant to nothing, does anyone else dig Skip's referencing Leonard as "No. 2".... It's childish yes, but so fitting with the double meaning. A POS who both quit on the team and yanked his trade value with a demand.

Yes it's kind of childish, and I do it anyway.