Realistic trades the Spurs can make to help them secure a playoff spot...?

[apalisoc_9]

At first we have to look at this teams deficiencies.

1. The spurs currently is seating at 29th in terms of defensive rating at 113. Their offensive rating is 10th and FG% is decent which shows that the biggest problem is halfcourt defense. The spurs are at least above average in terms of limiting fast break thanks to an above average offense but they can enter top 10 territory if they get rid of offensive non factors like Cunningham. Ofcourse the biggest culprits are Forbes, Mills, Beli, Cunningham and Derozan. Our supposed 3&D guy Cunningham has a [B]0.3[/]defensive win share.

2- They're also 20th in Assist 20%. This is largely due to how Derozan and Aldrige plays. It would be beneficial to improve this ratio. I'm not saying make them offball shooters since both players are inherently iso guys, but a guy that can drive and make 3-4 assist per game should improve this ration without completely changing derozan and Aldridge.

3- The Spurs are 20th in rebounding %. This is a minor issue but the rebounding % is partly due to the Forbes, Mills, Beli dilemma. The Spurs are 20th in pace and while I understand thats mostly because of Aldridge and Derozan, the spurs can improve to the 10-13 range by adding a taller wing that can rebound and push. The Spurs don't need to change their philosohpy if they dont want to, and a guy that can rebound better and push after a rebound isnt going to do that. It will just allow them to improve their rebounding rate while simultanously create easy buckets. They can still play slow after makes.

After researching, I have came up with 3 realistic targets the spurs can trade for and a couple D-League call ups.

1. Cedi Osman - cavs looking to shed salary and pile up on picks. This is probably going to be the hardest player to get but the cavs clearly arent sold. I do think they will puck up his player option but they wont bother matching any offer in hos RFA. In other words he is tradable. After December, Belli and a pick might be enticing enough. Cavs Get an expensive expiring and another pick. Will help alleviate issues 1, 2, 3. He is struggling now but he should be better with any team not named cavs. Will habe tp wait till end of december

2. Damyean Dotson - Kevin Knox is back so his minutes is dwindling. He is tradable as evidence with the DNPs. And 5mpg. He is long and can get streaky. Have shown flashes of great defense. He is not gonna run or male straight drives like osman but him playing over Cunningham will help with issue 1 a lot. With a Cunningham trade, the knicks get 1.5 million off in salary. You will have to add a pick though. Will have to wait till decemer

3. Royce Oneal - Ok, he is probably better than Sefelosha. Both of them play around 14-17mpg. But the Jazz are desperate for a PG that is willing to let it fly. Exum and Neto are both hot garbage. Forbes might be enticing enough as a psuedo PG. Jazz in desperate get to playoff mindset right now. Royce Oneal can rebound, can shoot threes and is long.

Some D-League possibilities

Watanabe, Troy Brown.

[r0drig0lac]

Cedi Osman is not realistic

[WallyTiger]

:lobt:

[RC_Drunkford]

Don't see the Cavs giving up Osman for a scrub like Belinelli and a draft pick. They would want way more for him.

1. 50 Mills & Quincy Pondexter to Suns for Trevor Ariza

Suns need an offball shooter next to Booker and are thin at PG depth. They have too many SFs and Pondexter would be perfect as the 15th man and veteran who can teach the young ones.

Ariza would be a starter. He'd improve our defense and our offense, but most importantly: His contract is expiring, so we could actually use cap space to improve in the offseason.

2. Dante Cunningham, Bryn Forbes and a 2nd round pick to Pistons for Stanley Johnson and Jose Calderon

Pistons get a wing to replace Johnson off the bench and a young 3-point shooter. Spurs get Johnson so they can resign him with bird rights and a veteran back up PG

G-League call ups: Lonnie Walker, Ben Moore, Watanabe

White/DeRozan/Ariza/Gay/LA
Calderon/Walker/Johnson/Bertans/Poeltl


Other trade options:

Pau and a 2nd rounder to Nets for Demarre Carroll

Mills & Belinelli + 2nd round pick to NY Knicks for Courtney Lee and Frank Ntlikina. Could be another package around either Mills or Gasol with 1 or 2 of Bertans, Belinelli, Cunningham, Pondexter, Forbes thrown in and a 3rd Knicks player coming to Spurs to match salaries

Mills to 76ers for Wilson Chandler (expiring)


As much as they need to improve, Spurs should make sure they got cap space next offseason. So expiring 3 and D wings (Ariza, Carroll, Chandler) is the way to go. Improves the team this year, gives them cap space for next offseason and gives them bird rights to resign one of these guys (if they want to, none of them should cost a whole lot of money next season). Shumpert would be another option they could explore


And I think this one should be worth a consideration:

Aldridge and Belinelli to Wizards for Beal and Jeff Green

[dbestpro]

Pau and a 2nd rounder to Nets for Demarre Carroll could be the most likely. His defensive attitude could be contagious.

[Mugen]

Coaching has been the biggest deficiency so far tbh, they'd probably be a game or two about .500 with a better coach.

[Raven]

i think this is a good year, if we keep the megablowouts low. we have derozan and aldridge who are great players, and we have gay who while is damaged goods, is still impacting the game hard. We have Murray and we have Gasol. So the starters are there even if injured, meaning we can take the the season for what it is and use it to improve white, walker and poeltl and return to the beautiful game. Then come back with a healthy roster (no guarantee for that whatsoever) a better offensive system and a decent draft pick.

[sananspursfan21]

I don’t think the pieces are there for a trade but Embiid is unhappy :hat

[San Antonio Slayer]

I noticed Biyombo and Monroe dont have minutes. Monroe is just dont needed there until Ibaka or Volan get injured. Biyombo is not cheap but may be we could work it out with our man Borrego.

[sasaint]

i think this is a good year, if we keep the megablowouts low. we have derozan and aldridge who are great players, and we have gay who while is damaged goods, is still impacting the game hard. We have Murray and we have Gasol. So the starters are there even if injured, meaning we can take the the season for what it is and use it to improve white, walker and poeltl and return to the beautiful game. Then come back with a healthy roster (no guarantee for that whatsoever) a better offensive system and a decent draft pick.

You can't return to the beautiful game while either LMA or DeMar is on the team.

[mo7888]

I'm pretty high on drunkfords Detroit trade as well as the Aldridge trade for Beal he suggested. I think both are plausible and would improve things.
I also think osman is realistic. He's pretty close with LeBron and I think Gilbert is the type that will trade him for less value than he should just to purge the LeBron relationship from the team. Basically, I think he's petty enough to make a bad deal... I'd explore something centered around Forbes and a future 2nd for him.

[SpursDynasty85]

I'm pretty high on drunkfords Detroit trade as well as the Aldridge trade for Beal he suggested. I think both are plausible and would improve things.
I also think osman is realistic. He's pretty close with LeBron and I think Gilbert is the type that will trade him for less value than he should just to purge the LeBron relationship from the team. Basically, I think he's petty enough to make a bad deal... I'd explore something centered around Forbes and a future 2nd for him.

I highly doubt they couldn't do better than Aldridge for Beal. Would need to give up a young gaurd and a first rounder.

[Raven]

You can't return to the beautiful game while either LMA or DeMar is on the team.

probably not, but you don't know if you don't try. it's not like they can't pass the ball.

[BackHome]

The beautiful game is over it’s now chuck a 3 ball game

[monty4329]

And I think this one should be worth a consideration:

Aldridge and Belinelli to Wizards for Beal and Jeff Green

I didn't run the numbers but I am pretty sure it doesn't work contractswise. Still, Grunfeld would be totally crazy to do the trade. You basically are saying Aldridge and Beal are at about the same level; I don't think Washington thinks the same.

[vavvi]

Drunkford’s fake-trade with the Pistons is perfect. Do it now! Alas, Pistons would never agree.

I would roll the dice with Dotson. Knicks have too many fringe guys to develop. I can see them parting ways with Dotson and betting on Trier.

[Spurs fever]

Any trades regarding Mills is probably unlikely.

[pad300]

I would not be trying to secure a playoff spot. I would be looking to add assets for veterans and/or players with lower ceilings (Forbes, ?Bertans for enough value?).

[kaji157]

Anything you get for Mills is a plus.

[sasaint]

Don't see the Cavs giving up Osman for a scrub like Belinelli and a draft pick. They would want way more for him.

1. 50 Mills & Quincy Pondexter to Suns for Trevor Ariza

Suns need an offball shooter next to Booker and are thin at PG depth. They have too many SFs and Pondexter would be perfect as the 15th man and veteran who can teach the young ones.

Ariza would be a starter. He'd improve our defense and our offense, but most importantly: His contract is expiring, so we could actually use cap space to improve in the offseason.

2. Dante Cunningham, Bryn Forbes and a 2nd round pick to Pistons for Stanley Johnson and Jose Calderon

Pistons get a wing to replace Johnson off the bench and a young 3-point shooter. Spurs get Johnson so they can resign him with bird rights and a veteran back up PG

G-League call ups: Lonnie Walker, Ben Moore, Watanabe

White/DeRozan/Ariza/Gay/LA
Calderon/Walker/Johnson/Bertans/Poeltl


Other trade options:

Pau and a 2nd rounder to Nets for Demarre Carroll

Mills & Belinelli + 2nd round pick to NY Knicks for Courtney Lee and Frank Ntlikina. Could be another package around either Mills or Gasol with 1 or 2 of Bertans, Belinelli, Cunningham, Pondexter, Forbes thrown in and a 3rd Knicks player coming to Spurs to match salaries

Mills to 76ers for Wilson Chandler (expiring)


As much as they need to improve, Spurs should make sure they got cap space next offseason. So expiring 3 and D wings (Ariza, Carroll, Chandler) is the way to go. Improves the team this year, gives them cap space for next offseason and gives them bird rights to resign one of these guys (if they want to, none of them should cost a whole lot of money next season). Shumpert would be another option they could explore


And I think this one should be worth a consideration:

Aldridge and Belinelli to Wizards for Beal and Jeff Green

Your final proposal is the linchpin. If you don't move LMA, all of the rest is just moving deck chairs around on the Titanic. I am opposed to building around LMA. He needs to go before you can start constructing a team.

[sasaint]

probably not, but you don't know if you don't try. it's not like they can't pass the ball.

It IS like LMA can't pass the ball. He doesn't see the court or understand the game well enough. He has been a me-first scorer his entire career. You aren't going to change his spots at this late date. He isn't going to suddenly develop a high BBIQ.

As for DeMar, he has an antiquated, ball-dominant, mid-range game. He is an excellent passer out of that ball dominant game but limits the number of players who get touches in any possession and, therefore, the number of passes that CAN be made during a possession. DeMar's great skill is drawing shooting fouls and getting to the free throw line. He needs the ball too much to have much utility in the beautiful game. He is clearly our best player, but he is not a player I want to see the team build around.

[monty4329]

As for DeMar, he has an antiquated, ball-dominant, mid-range game. He is an excellent passer out of that ball dominant game but limits the number of players who get touches in any possession and, therefore, the number of passes that CAN be made during a possession. DeMar's great skill is drawing shooting fouls and getting to the free throw line. He needs the ball too much to have much utility in the beautiful game. He is clearly our best player, but he is not a player I want to see the team build around.

With adequate spacing, DDR can get to the rim or to his favourite spot very, very easily. We seen that several times.
Spacing is created by cutting and passing the ball to the weak side. You don't need too much talent to do that, just will. So, DDR is and will always be extremly useful, even with mediocre talent (Spurs 2018-19).

LMA game is the dinosaur, instead. Salvageable, maybe, if Pau will ever be back and play NBA-level at 5, for 15-18 minutes.
Any LMA trade for an athletic big would be an upgrade, in today's NBA: Whiteside might be available -he is a nutcase, though.

[sasaint]

With adequate spacing, DDR can get to the rim or to his favourite spot very, very easily. We seen that several times.
Spacing is created by cutting and passing the ball to the weak side. You don't need too much talent to do that, just will. So, DDR is and will always be extremly useful, even with mediocre talent (Spurs 2018-19).

LMA game is the dinosaur, instead. Salvageable, maybe, if Pau will ever be back and play NBA-level at 5, for 15-18 minutes.
Any LMA trade for an athletic big would be an upgrade, in today's NBA: Whiteside might be available -he is a nutcase, though.

Spacing is created by shooters with range. Cutting and passing to the weak side doesn't create spacing; it takes advantage of it. At any rate. DeMar is not stellar at cutting/moving off-ball. He needs the ball in his hands; that's precisely how he gets to his spots.

[SpursRussia]

Nets will not take any future salary in a trade, unless there is some crazy asset attached, so Pau for DMC thing is out of question, as ostrich has a 6m guarantee next year. Nets want 2 max spots next year + they have a lot of guys who become FA and need to be extended, like Dlo, Spencer and RHJ. For that matter, they would be happy to offload Allen Crabbe, but he really sucks.

Only option is is to trade expirings with them to get DMC or find a 3rd team to swallow Pau’s 6m for 2nd rounders

[RC_Drunkford]

Grunfeld is not a smart GM and has to make a move with Beal being the odd man out cause nobody wants that John Wall max contract. Throw in a pick or something

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7141397

:wakeup




http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7m382uj

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Highly doubt any team would take Fatty even for spare change.

[monty4329]

Spacing is created by shooters with range. Cutting and passing to the weak side doesn't create spacing; it takes advantage of it. At any rate. DeMar is not stellar at cutting/moving off-ball. He needs the ball in his hands; that's precisely how he gets to his spots.

I am sorry but that is not accurate. At all. But feel free to try and stand still to create spacing, see how it goes....

[sasaint]

I am sorry but that is not accurate. At all. But feel free to try and stand still to create spacing, see how it goes....

That's just a spurious argument. Basketball is not a stationary game. But you feel free to try to create spacing by cutting and weakside passing when the defenders are all clogging the middle because they have no need to defend brick layers on outside shots.

[Coach X]

2. Dante Cunningham, Bryn Forbes and a 2nd round pick to Pistons for Stanley Johnson and Jose Calderon

Pistons get a wing to replace Johnson off the bench and a young 3-point shooter. Spurs get Johnson so they can resign him with bird rights and a veteran back up PG



I don't see Spurs trading for the other players you suggest but Stanley Johnson looks like the kind of player the team needs and might have a Spurs personality. I also agree with Pistons needing 3pt shooting around Griffin and Drummond.
Casey signed Calderon (they worked well together in Toronto) and I believe Jose will finish the season in Detroit. I'm not sure if the Pistons would be interested in Forbes and anything else Spurs could offer to make numbers work but this would be a small but great trade for San Antonio. A physical, defensive forward for Forbes? It's a no-brainer.

[Fusternino]

Would you guys really wanna do Forbes and the Toronto pick for Osman and a second rounder?

[Coach X]

Balance is the key.

2018. Western Conference Finals. Rockets and Warriors go small-ball and often play their 5 men behind the 3pt line with some of the best perimeter players of the planet. Defenses go switch all. The pace slows down, the spacing worsens, the scoring is reduced.

Inside game is essential. A team must score in the paint, attack the rim so the defense collapses and shooters have their space. You not only score in the paint through low post 1on1s but also with penetrations and cuts. Do not forget offensive rebound. And finally, FT obtained from fouls as a result of attacking the rim.
So inside game is the plan A that makes defense react and allow the threes. High volume 3pt shooting teams have tremendous inside power (driving, above the rim finishers, p&rollers, etc.).

[mo7888]

Would you guys really wanna do Forbes and the Toronto pick for Osman and a second rounder?

I'm not sure if Cleveland has their 2nd this year but if they do I'd make that trade.

[BatManu20]

For the last time, Patty Mills is not being traded, period.

Sorry to shit on your dreams everybody.

[pad300]

Grunfeld is not a smart GM and has to make a move with Beal being the odd man out cause nobody wants that John Wall max contract. Throw in a pick or something

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7141397

:wakeup




http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7m382uj

Just how is Beal the odd man out, not Porter?

[BatManu20]

Why the fuck would the Wizards trade Beal, their best young player, for a declining, soon-to-be 34 year-old LaMarcus Aldridge... :lol

[DAF86]

Why the fuck would the Wizards trade Beal, their best young player, for a declining, soon-to-be 34 year-old LaMarcus Aldridge... :lol

To get a second round pick?

[sasaint]

Just how is Beal the odd man out, not Porter?

Beal and Wall have a running feud, and NOBODY wants Wall's contract.

[Indianman]

Beal and Wall have a running feud, and NOBODY wants Wall's contract.

I know this is a dumb take but would the ball clubs be willing to exchange Wall and CP3? Separates Beal and Wall. Also, CP3 is a true point guard who would enhance the team and the contracts are similar. The only deal breaker would be CP3's age but hey, he didn't show up a fatso to training camp.

[DPG21920]

Washington has to blow it up. They have to. Look there. Otto time baby.

[sasaint]

I don't have a clue. I really invest too much time on the Spurs to even speculate about deals that don't involve them. You could have a fine idea for all I know.

[sasaint]

Why the fuck would the Wizards trade Beal, their best young player, for a declining, soon-to-be 34 year-old LaMarcus Aldridge... :lol

I don't think they would. That's why I would like to see us trade LMA and DeMar for Beal and Porter, a disappointing player and a good player for a disappointing player and a good player. I would rather try to get Porter back up to his potential than hang onto LMA, and I would like to have a SG who can actually shoot 3s. The Wiz actually signed Dwert, who is recovering from surgery. LMA might have appeal for them.

[JeffDuncan]

Washington has to blow it up. They have to. Look there. Otto time baby.

Yes, the Wiz just lost to Cleveland, and looked bad doing it.

Opportunity may be knocking.

P.S. Wall scored 1 point in 26 min.

P.P.S. According to my calculator, the Wizards ownership thinks that point was worth $244,000.

[monty4329]

That's just a spurious argument. Basketball is not a stationary game. But you feel free to try to create spacing by cutting and weakside passing when the defenders are all clogging the middle because they have no need to defend brick layers on outside shots.

You seem to mix up the concept of "spacing" with "distance from other players". Cutting through a clogged lane generates creases and consequent spacing. It has little to do with distance.

But whatever.

[duncan2150]

i will make a trade only if it’s For a very good player. I prefer To reboot everything next summer with a good pick and some young guys with more experience Like poetl, Walker , white... plus some contracts ala gasol or Mills will be more easier To trade.

[cd021]

Pau and a 2nd rounder to Nets for Demarre Carroll could be the most likely. His defensive attitude could be contagious.
Agreed. That pick has a chance to be decent, swapping Gasol in for Carrol would only cost them $2.7 million over the next three seasons. Might be something Brooklyn would consider.

[cd021]

Gasol, Belinelli and the Spurs 2019 pick for Otto Porter

Gasol and 2019 second round Pick for De'Marre Carrol

Gasol and 2019 second round Pick for Trevor Ariza

[RC_Drunkford]

So I guess nobody checked the link about LaMarcus to Portland, CJ McCollum to the Wiz, Beal to Spurs?

[mo7888]

So I guess nobody checked the link about LaMarcus to Portland, CJ McCollum to the Wiz, Beal to Spurs?

I didn't see that link but, I might rather have McCollum than Beal if Portland would give him for Aldridge. He'd fit very well next to Murray.

[tbdog]

We have a SG. really need SF's who can hold their defensively but can shoot.

[FutureMan]

Gasol, Belinelli and the Spurs 2019 pick for Otto Porter

Gasol and 2019 second round Pick for De'Marre Carrol

Gasol and 2019 second round Pick for Trevor Ariza

Something like this makes the most sense. I remember thinking up a trade for Beal and Green by trading Aldridge a couple months ago. However trading Aldridge, your second option, for another second option in Beal will result in a similar situation. The Spurs lack a third option and they are missing their 4th or 5th option (depending on how you see Murray)

[Fusternino]

Mills, Forbes, Marco, and 2019 Toronto pick for OPJ?

[tbdog]

Mills, Forbes, Marco, and 2019 Toronto pick for OPJ?

Do you guys really want Porter for 26mil?

[Fusternino]

Do you guys really want Porter for 26mil?

He probably more like a 15-20M/year player. I just think Wall/Beal/Brooks and not himself are responsible for his underwhelming stats.

[kaji157]

If we trade for Porter Mills needs to be involved in the deal.
No way the Spurs end up with two massively overpaid players with contracts that long.
If I was the Fo I would inquire about Demarre Carol, but I see the nets being more competitive and their asking price might go up.
They are four games away from the playoffs and if they want to they might try to trade for value now to try and make a push.

[Prime BEEF]

Do you guys really want Porter for 26mil?

Would rather not have that $26M contract but if our options are mills/Forbes/Marco or OPJ...I’d take OPJ. Don’t trust the front office to use that extra money wisely anyway.

[r0drig0lac]

Do you guys really want Porter for 26mil?

better than Marco,Forbes,Mills...

[tbdog]

Would rather not have that $26M contract but if our options are mills/Forbes/Marco or OPJ...I’d take OPJ. Don’t trust the front office to use that extra money wisely anyway.

That's about 76mil on 3 players. Porter is not an allstar and won't be. LMA might not be one anymore either. It's not about who would I rather have when cap space is finite.

[CGD]

I’ve always liked Beal, but at this point I’m inclined towards having a bad year to get a decent pick. Im looking forward to getting past the post LMA and Gay (and DDR even) era these next two years.

[koriwhat]

I didn't see that link but, I might rather have McCollum than Beal if Portland would give him for Aldridge. He'd fit very well next to Murray.

any day of the week! :tu

[Drewlius]

Need to somehow get Markieff if we do the Beal route, adds toughness and stability at a position we really need it at. Can’t emphasize the toughness part enough, this team desperately needs it.

[cd021]

Do you guys really want Porter for 26mil?

He's pricey for sure; between DDR, LMA, Gay, Bertans, Mills, Porter, that is $112 million but pretty much everyone else is on rookie scale deals (Poeltl, Metu, Walker, Murray, White, 2019 pick) so the Spurs would probably be safely under the tax for next season

Murray, DDR, Porter, Bertans, LMA
Miks, White, Walker, Gay, Poeltl

Could be a very good team in a weaker west (i.e CP3 being older in Houston, KD leaving)

[DAF86]

Rockets fans seem to have fallen out of love with Eric Gordon and see him as the piece to move to turn their season around.

I wonder if the Rockets would be interested on doing a trade revolving around Eric Gordon and PJ Tucker for either Aldridge (preffered option) or DeRozan.

White, DeRozan, Gay, Tucker, Poeltl with Mills, Gordon, Belinelli, Bertans, Gasol coming off the bench is an improvement over what we have, tbh.

White, Gordon, Gay, Tucker, Aldridge with Mills, Forbes, Belinelli, Bertans, Poeltl/Gasol isn't as good, but I think it could still be better than what we have. Maybe we can even get a draft pick on a DeRozan for Gordon and Tucker trade.

[apalisoc_9]

Rockets fans seem to have fallen out of love with Eric Gordon and see him as the piece to move to turn their season around.

I wonder if the Rockets would be interested on doing a trade revolving around Eric Gordon and PJ Tucker for either Aldridge (preffered option) or DeRozan.

White, DeRozan, Gay, Tucker, Poeltl with Mills, Gordon, Belinelli, Bertans, Gasol coming off the bench is an improvement over what we have, tbh.

White, Gordon, Gay, Tucker, Aldridge with Mills, Forbes, Belinelli, Bertans, Poeltl/Gasol isn't as good, but I think it could still be better than what we have. Maybe we can even get a draft pick on a DeRozan for Gordon and Tucker trade.

Ujiri is probably plotting to steal Gordon from Houston. Doubt RC is good enough to outsmart ujiri.

Gordon will fix raps issues and will make them a legit threar against Golden State.

[KDKSpurs24]

Rockets fans seem to have fallen out of love with Eric Gordon and see him as the piece to move to turn their season around.

I wonder if the Rockets would be interested on doing a trade revolving around Eric Gordon and PJ Tucker for either Aldridge (preffered option) or DeRozan.

White, DeRozan, Gay, Tucker, Poeltl with Mills, Gordon, Belinelli, Bertans, Gasol coming off the bench is an improvement over what we have, tbh.

White, Gordon, Gay, Tucker, Aldridge with Mills, Forbes, Belinelli, Bertans, Poeltl/Gasol isn't as good, but I think it could still be better than what we have. Maybe we can even get a draft pick on a DeRozan for Gordon and Tucker trade.
Rockets don’t want LaMidrange.. They shoot 3s and don’t want the paint clogged.

[DAF86]

Rockets don’t want LaMidrange.. They shoot 3s and don’t want the paint clogged.

I would still ask, tbh.

[SAGirl]

I would still ask, tbh.
sure but you know the answer. They already said Carmelo doesn't fit with how they like to play. I doubt Lamarcus is any better of a fit to them.

[alpha_HaZE]

Pau and a 2nd rounder to Nets for Demarre Carroll could be the most likely. His defensive attitude could be contagious.

I would be behind that trade!



Last season, Carroll shot a decent 41 percent from the field and made an average of two 3s per game, averaging 13.5 points per game, a career-high. He also posted career-highs in assists and rebounds as a small-ball power forward for most of the season due to the roster’s limitations.

He was also easily the Nets’ best wing defender.

https://nothinbutnets.com/2018/08/11/brooklyn-nets-expect-demarre-carroll/

DeMar, Patty, Carrol, Bertans, and Poeltl would be fun to watch.

[alpha_HaZE]

Rockets don’t want LaMidrange.. They shoot 3s and don’t want the paint clogged.

Good point! And of course, we don't know that Pau is coming back anytime soon. So, Mills, Gordon, Belinelli, Bertans, Gasol might not be possible.

[TD 21]

Only Dotson is realistic out of these trades.

:lmao At DAF86, thinking the Rockets would want Aldridge. Yeah, they took a flier on Anthony, but that was in large part because their 2 best players wanted him and also because he only cost the veteran's minimum for 1 season. Aldridge is the definition of anti D'Antoni ball.

:lmao At anyone, who thinks Aldridge would fetch a significantly younger, more modern star, like Beal or a good prospect, on a re-building team, like Collins.


Ujiri is probably plotting to steal Gordon from Houston. Doubt RC is good enough to outsmart ujiri.

Gordon will fix raps issues and will make them a legit threar against Golden State.

Ujiri is so smart that he had Lowry traded to the Knicks and was only saved because Dolan nixed it since he didn't want to trade with him again after the Anthony fiasco.

He's so smart that he needed Anunoby to be medically flagged and the Nuggets, who wanted him, to trade back, to fall into his lap.

So smart that he passed on Sabonis, who he was considering, for Poeltl.

There are no geniuses. Luck plays a major role in these jobs.

[sananspursfan21]

GTFO

Dam!!!!
Butler is a BALL BUSTER

where ever he goes

Fake Alpha's turn in to Beta Bitchez

True story bruh. Could have misunderstood it but some writer for NBA.com said he didn’t like how he’d been fitting since Butler came to town :)

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1071926759380172800

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1071926759380172800

So Lakers get Ariza, third team gets KCP and the Suns get draft pick + unknown player.

[SAGirl]

Woooooot Coach Budddddd
:lobt2:edit wrong thread.

[Realdeal1]

So annoyed with James jones doing Lebron and the lakers favors

[SAGirl]

:lmas once that shot is falling decides to play.

[TD 21]

Outside of possibly Dotson for Pondexter and a 2nd, there's a roadblock to all the usual suspects . . .

- Bazemore: Is a combination of uninspiring, highly overpaid and would overload the perimeter.

- Carroll: There's no logical offer, plus Nets want to preserve max cap space for the off season.


- Holiday: Along with Lopez for Gasol and Pondexter works financially but the Spurs would have to add something like the Raptors 1st, which obviously isn't worth it.

- Johnson: Stanley, that is. Spurs were rumored interested last season, but with this core, Engelland would have to be confident in his achieving bona fide sniper status, as opposed to mere competency.

- Snell: Along with Smith for Gasol works, but he's uninspiring, overpaid, the perimeter would be overloaded and now out 2 future 1sts, it's highly unlikely they'd include another, Maker or Wilson. Still, his contract could be viewed through this prism: He has $16.4M more guaranteed than Gasol after this season. That's a few million short of what the MLE will be, there's no guarantee of getting Ariza, Carroll, etc. with it anyway and unlike them, he's at least still relatively young.

- Ariza: Even if they'd accept Mills, the Spurs wouldn't trade him.

- Harkless: See Johnson.


- Porter: Wizards can do better (Randolph, Shumpert, Jackson, Labissiere and/or 2nd).

[Beartrucci]

So annoyed with James jones doing Lebron and the lakers favors

It does seem really obvious and kinda fucked up. Funny when NBA steps in to stop Lakers from getting Paul but this seems so much more flagrant even if it's for lesser talent. I mean which Suns role player do they have a shot at next?

[venitian navigator]

looks like the Suns gave up on Bender some time ago (not exercised his 4th year option) and Jackson has played awfully this season and looks like the Phoenix way of doing things is ruining his potential. Not a play off move for this season, but If we can have both (and some other scrubs, like Daniels...for making it work on nba trade machine) for Pau, that could be a steal...that's a lot of young and undeveloped talent. I'm confident our coaching staff could change in a positive sense their careers...

[SAGirl]

I don’t see a trade. I hardly even saw a possibility when they were looking like a tankathon team (in which case a fire sale made sense, but they weren’t going to do it either).

With them trending upwards and playing better (Jakob has noticeably looked more confident and the team in general is gelling better) I don’t see any trades they will swing. A trade would have to literally be so good as to fall in their lap.

If anything I’d love to move Gasol bc Jakob is too good to be a 3rd center in the league. Though perhaps Pop goes back to starting Gasol bc he’s going to play when he’s ready again, you just know it.

[kaji157]

Patty Mills career ending injury is the best that could happen to us.

[UnWantedTheory]

Patty Mills career ending injury is the best that could happen to us.
He has actually played quite well.