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timvp
12-12-2018, 04:10 AM
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The Spurs are back at .500 after winning their third straight game to begin the pivotal six-game homestand. At 14-14, San Antonio can now see the postseason in the horizon. Just a week ago, it looked like the good guys could drift too far from contention but to their credit they have, at least for now, righted the ship.

Honestly, though, the Spurs 111-86 victory over the Suns on Tuesday night isn't cause for celebration. Phoenix is a bad team who was even more shorthanded than usual. On top of that, the Suns were coming off of an overtime game last night in Los Angeles. It would have taken a momentum breakdown by the Spurs for this to have even been a close game.

That said, any win right now is a good win. The defense is looking a little bit better, the offense has more cohesion and the momentum is mounting. Let's hope they can keep that going Thursday night when they host the Clippers. If San Antonio can win that game, they'll be over .500 for the first time since they were 8-7 back on November 18th after a home victory over the Warriors.

Since tonight's game was so one-sided, I'll forgo grades for these random thoughts:

-After missing 11 consecutive three-pointers, Bryn Forbes has now hit six straight from beyond the arc. He's shooting 43.4 percent on threes for the season. Given the shortcomings he has defensively and his lack of playmaking skills offensively, Forbes must shoot straight from three-point land to have positive value. To put a number to it, I'd say Forbes simply can't afford to dip below 40 percent. And I think he can do that -- he has a quick, picture-perfect stroke and gets enough elevation to shoot even when contested. The next step for Forbes is upping his three-point attempts. Right now, I don't think he shoots enough. Forbes shoots 8.4 threes per 100 possessions. That needs to jump up about 20 percent. I want Forbes shooting them with Davis Bertans-esque frequency; this year, Bertans shoots more than 10 three-pointers per 100 possessions (last year, he was up over 11 [the highest mark in Spurs history, by the way]).

-Forbes grabbing 11 rebounds tonight was quite the statistical anomaly considering his career-high before tonight was five. Heading into the game, he was last on the team in rebounds per 100 possessions at 3.6 -- a full 10 percent behind the second worst rebounder on the team (Marco Belinelli).

-Belinelli had his third straight double-digit scoring game, a stretch that has seen him shoot 44.8 percent from the floor. His shot-selection is still erratic but at least enough of his shots are falling right now.

-DeMar DeRozan didn't really need to try to score tonight against what was essentially a glorified summer league squad. His passing, though, was outstanding. During the three-game winning streak, DeRozan has 27 assists and only two turnovers. That's ridiculously good. For the season, his assist-to-turnover ratio of 2.52-to-1 is really impressive. Of the other swingmen in the NBA who average more than six assists per game (Harden, Simmons, James, Durant and Antetokounmpo), DeRozan takes care of the ball better than any of them by a notable margin.

-The other impressive playmaker tonight was Derrick White. He had a few iffy passes and shaky decisions but overall his court vision is exciting. His ball-handling is solid enough to picture White as a point guard long-term. But he's also big and athletic enough to buy minutes at shooting guard and even small forward. His multi-skill repertoire and ability to defend multiple positions makes him a very good fit for the modern-day NBA.

-Right now, White's passing is NBA level and his defense is NBA level. His two weaknesses as it stands are shooting and confidence. With regard to his shooting, it looks like he's rushing a lot of attempts and he's not following-through consistently, which has caused a lot of sideways rotation on his shot. White doesn't get a whole lot of elevation and he doesn't have Forbes' pretty shot, but I'm confident he can figure it out enough to become at least an average scorer on the NBA level. Confidence-wise, he's on the upswing. Pop realizes how important White's development is and he's trying to get White to live up to his potential. The recent returns have been promising.

-This was the second straight game Rudy Gay looked healthy. He was moving and jumping well and wasn't holding back at all. If he can return to full health, that'd be fantastic news for the Spurs. He's clearly the team's X-factor; San Antonio is much more difficult to defend when Gay adds an extra dimension to the offense.

-It was interesting that Pop kept Gay at power forward and White in the starting lineup even though Dante Cunningham returned from injury. If Pop wants to run with this lineup going forward, I'd approve of it. I think Bertans is another player to consider due to his ability to spread the court but if this is what it takes to keep a defender like White in the starting lineup, I'm all for it. The defense looks so much better when the Spurs don't start five below average defensive players.

-Speaking of Cunningham, this game was Cunningham's season in a nutshell. He played 23 minutes in which the Spurs couldn't outscore the Suns. In the 25 minutes he sat, the Spurs outscored the Suns by 25 points. Even though he was 4-for-4 from beyond the arc, San Antonio's offense still struggled with Cunningham on the court. The problem is he doesn't space the court at all because he's a reluctant shooter with a slow release who isn't a threat to penetrate the ball. In other words, the opposition can ignore him.

-For the season, the Spurs score 102 points per 100 possessions Cunningham is on the court -- the lowest mark on the team. When he's on the bench, the Spurs score 112 points per 100 possessions. That's ... a big deal. What compounds Cunningham's ineptness on offense is he's just not a good defensive player. Yes, he tries hard but that's the extent of his defensive capabilities. He can't keep players in front of him, he's slow to rotate, he's not an especially good rebounder for a power forward and he doesn't have a high defensive basketball IQ that would allow him to freelance. He's just a try-hard, that's it. The numbers back-up the observations: the Spurs allow 111.2 points per 100 possessions when Cunningham is on the court, which is the second worst mark on the team. When your defensive specialist is a bad defender, that's a main reason why the Spurs have been historically bad defensively.

-The worst defensive rating on the Spurs? That would be LaMarcus Aldridge -- and it's drastic. The Spurs allow 113.7 points per 100 possessions when Aldridge on the court and 103.4 points when he's off the court. To conceptualize that, the Spurs are the second worst defensive team in the league when Aldridge is on the court and the fourth best when he's on the bench. While there's likely some early season small sample size going on there, I'm not completely surprised. Aldridge's defensive effort all too often falls off a cliff when he struggles offensively or if his touches are inconsistent.

-Could part of the problem be Aldridge playing so much center this season? I doubt it. In today's NBA, he's a center. I think he'd be struggling even more if he was at power forward because he's just not mobile enough anymore to chase around the stretch fours almost every team employs.

-The best defensive rating on the Spurs? Jakob Poeltl at 107.3. Over his last ten games, he's been even better, giving up 105.5 points per 100 possessions. (During those same ten games, Aldridge has a horrendously poor defensive rating of 123.4). Poeltl has been getting better and better on both ends of the court. His offensive improvement has been more obvious but he has really been defending the rim well lately -- and his perimeter defense is good for a center. (But, honestly, the fact that Poeltl and Aldridge don't play much together probably has a lot to do with Poeltl grading out so well here.)

-Let me end these random thoughts with a hot take: Patty Mills has been worth his contract this season. I know Spurs fans have a hard-coded narrative that Mills is massively overpaid but taking this year in a vacuum, Mills has been worth the $12.5 million he banks. Yes, he was terrible to start the season but he has been really good since then. He's a top tier backup who supercharges the offense, gets everyone involved, makes sure the ball-movement is hopping and tries hard defensively. On top of that, he's willing to play any role, he's by all accounts an outstanding teammate and he has taken leadership duties. I'm not saying the Spurs have been vindicated for giving him that contract but just looking at this season, I think it's clear that he's worth what he's being paid.

-Some stats that show Mills' impact this season: The Spurs score 113.6 points per 100 possessions when he's on the court and 99.4 points per 100 possessions when he's on the bench. Overall, the Spurs get outscored by 10.6 points per 100 possessions when Mills is on the bench but outscore their opponents by 3.9 points when he's on the court. That 14.5-point spread is by far the biggest on the team (second is Poeltl at 9.1 points). In the last 15 games, the Spurs have outscored opponents by 10.6 points per 100 possessions with Mills on the court and have been outscored by 20.6 points (!) per 100 possessions with Mills on the bench. (Damn, I knew Mills has been playing well but that 31.2-point spread is so shocking that I had to add the numbers up by hand to make sure they were right. And, uh, it might be time to bump up Mills' minutes.)

TDMVPDPOY
12-12-2018, 05:00 AM
anyone notice metu has taken mills towel waving faggot role so he can get minutes by celebrating every spurs made play?? lol spurms culture

MVPCues
12-12-2018, 05:10 AM
anyone notice metu has taken mills towel waving faggot role so he can get minutes by celebrating every spurs made play?? lol spurms culture

Man that is some deep analysis. How did the OP miss including this?

Would you rather have Metu forlornly sit on the bench chewing his tongue?

Slippy
12-12-2018, 05:41 AM
Dont get into advance stats so curious. Would the atarting five being notorious for slow starts playing from behind and early season struggles skew those defensive ratings? Because im surprised it aint Davis who gets beat up too easily and marco who looks a step slow.

timtonymanu
12-12-2018, 05:42 AM
Thanks timvp.

Glad Pop finally stopped treating Dante like an NBA player (although I feel he will go back to him again soon to stroke his ego and the notion that he can make players “look better”). It’s not surprising the Spurs look like a lottery team with him in the starting lineup.

John B
12-12-2018, 05:59 AM
Thanks Timvp. I think the big difference really is White and Poeltl’s defense. Of course I agree that Gay is an X factor for Spurs to win. But to see White and Poeltl defend out there is contagious. I can’t wait for LW4 and even Moore/Huestis to help more on the defense. I really feel they can further help the Spurs becoming a better team. Good win!

vavvi
12-12-2018, 06:07 AM
Thanks timvp

I can easily agree with you both on Mills who’s our best guard not named DeMar and on LA being worse on defense comparing with last season.

We should consider though that Poeltl plays most of his minutes against other team’s reserves so the stats comparison with LA is not so clean. But eye test definitely says Poeltl is a more active defender.

sananspursfan21
12-12-2018, 07:25 AM
I’ve been surprised by Patty’s emergence as an extremely valuable piece as well. We’ve seen this Patty in bits and pieces but he’s looking like 2014 championship Patty right now. Our guys really need it and he’s risen to the occasion

MoSpur02
12-12-2018, 07:26 AM
What happens when Gasol comes back from his injury? Does he take Jakob's minutes? Does he get inserted into the starting lineup?

vavvi
12-12-2018, 07:32 AM
Another random take: DeMar clearly doesn't care about personal stats in a garbage game

vavvi
12-12-2018, 07:34 AM
What happens when Gasol comes back from his injury? Does he take Jakob's minutes? Does he get inserted into the starting lineup?

Yes it's a problem of our roster construction. I would try to trade Pau but I don't think it's gonna happen.

gospursgojas
12-12-2018, 08:10 AM
Man that is some deep analysis. How did the OP miss including this?

Would you rather have Metu forlornly sit on the bench chewing his tongue?

Lolz

mo7888
12-12-2018, 08:17 AM
What happens when Gasol comes back from his injury? Does he take Jakob's minutes? Does he get inserted into the starting lineup?

Hopefully we move LMA and Gasol takes his minutes.

Play Boban
12-12-2018, 08:41 AM
:pop: “Advanced stats are ruining basketball. There’s no basketball anymore. “ :pop:

sasaint
12-12-2018, 08:58 AM
anyone notice metu has taken mills towel waving faggot role so he can get minutes by celebrating every spurs made play?? lol spurms culture

Explains why he has been sitting on the bench in SA instead of playing in Austin. Culture Transmission.

D-Robinson 50 fan
12-12-2018, 09:00 AM
I really like Jakob's energy since he has been getting more minutes. It's going to be very interesting how minutes will be allocated once Pau comes back.

Forbes tries really hard on defense but still gives up to easily once picked and loses his man to much on off ball situations. I hate when Pop plays Marco, Brynn and Patty together. The Suns cut the 20 point plus lead when those guys were sharing the court. I hope he stops putting those guys on the floor together

Mugen
12-12-2018, 09:33 AM
What happens when Gasol comes back from his injury? Does he take Jakob's minutes? Does he get inserted into the starting lineup?

The Spanish elephant in the room tbh. A healthy Pau is moveable but it's going to be to a playoff team that can offer little in return or a team looking to dump salary.

Moving him would be clearly in the team's best interest but I highly doubt they do tbh....

Mirrornick
12-12-2018, 10:01 AM
Tired of being around the .500 Mark. Let's build a solid win streak.

Spurs Homer
12-12-2018, 10:53 AM
If anyone watched Derrick White in the summer - before getting injured

He was stroking the 3 ball consistently - I think a few more games and his confidence and his shot will come back.

In the summer he was just a man amongst boys and he was pulling up after screens were set from way past the 3 point line and just drilling threes - I was really impressed -

I am baffled why he cannot hit the side of a barn now - but that is something to look forward to.

Also, Timvp - a lot of haters heads just exploded with your Patty mills take! :lol:lol

superbigtime
12-12-2018, 11:05 AM
White can D, but on O is always rattled and nervous and shaky, never knows where to be.

Thunder1
12-12-2018, 11:07 AM
Thanx so much for your thoughts Timvp...appreciate them..

tenbeersbold
12-12-2018, 11:08 AM
Nah OP has had a soft spot for Mills for forever...always grades him way too high

Mills defense is atrocious and he gives everything back scoring wise

The attempt to make the tiny guy the leader of the Spurs is laughable and foolhardy

Sooner he's shipped for a real NBA player the better

Fusternino
12-12-2018, 11:19 AM
I'll be the first to admit that Mills and Forbes were the only takes I got wrong heading into this season.

I think White's shot will return. He looks like he's trying to adjust on every single shot . . . entirely mental.

Ed Helicopter Jones
12-12-2018, 11:25 AM
-Let me end these random thoughts with a hot take: Patty Mills has been worth his contract this season. I know Spurs fans have a hard-coded narrative that Mills is massively overpaid but taking this year in a vacuum, Mills has been worth the $12.5 million he banks. Yes, he was terrible to start the season but he has been really good since then. He's a top tier backup who supercharges the offense, gets everyone involved, makes sure the ball-movement is hopping and tries hard defensively. On top of that, he's willing to play any role, he's by all accounts an outstanding teammate and he has taken leadership duties. I'm not saying the Spurs have been vindicated for giving him that contract but just looking at this season, I think it's clear that he's worth what he's being paid.

-Some stats that show Mills' impact this season: The Spurs score 113.6 points per 100 possessions when he's on the court and 99.4 points per 100 possessions when he's on the bench. Overall, the Spurs get outscored by 10.6 points per 100 possessions when Mills is on the bench but outscore their opponents by 3.9 points when he's on the court. That 14.5-point spread is by far the biggest on the team (second is Poeltl at 9.1 points). In the last 15 games, the Spurs have outscored opponents by 10.6 points per 100 possessions with Mills on the court and have been outscored by 20.6 points (!) per 100 possessions with Mills on the bench. (Damn, I knew Mills has been playing well but that 31.2-point spread is so shocking that I had to add the numbers up by hand to make sure they were right. And, uh, it might be time to bump up Mills' minutes.)


Thanks for the write-up Timvp!


I wasn't aware of the numbers on Mills either, although you can see the impact he's had when on the floor.

What's interesting to me, in those stats, is that, historically Patty hasn't been that great at running the offense and setting the tone. I remember always thinking how much more smoothly things ran, offensively at least, the last few years when Patty was off the floor and Tony was in the game.


So for me, the story in the numbers is that this team could desperately use a point guard that could steady the offense, and at least put some pressure on other teams defensively. As good as a fit as we think Forbes is next to DeRozan, I wonder how much better this team would be with a decent point guard starting every night. Is that guy Murray? I'm not sure. Offensively, last year at least, the steadying effect on Tony Parker was even more pronounced than my Mills example when Parker replaced Murray on the floor.

Boomersgold
12-12-2018, 11:27 AM
Nah OP has had a soft spot for Mills for forever...always grades him way too high

Mills defense is atrocious and he gives everything back scoring wise

The attempt to make the tiny guy the leader of the Spurs is laughable and foolhardy

Sooner he's shipped for a real NBA player the better

Don't think the advanced stats support this...

XDT76
12-12-2018, 11:31 AM
If anyone watched Derrick White in the summer - before getting injured

He was stroking the 3 ball consistently - I think a few more games and his confidence and his shot will come back.

In the summer he was just a man amongst boys and he was pulling up after screens were set from way past the 3 point line and just drilling threes - I was really impressed -

I am baffled why he cannot hit the side of a barn now - but that is something to look forward to.

Also, Timvp - a lot of haters heads just exploded with your Patty mills take! :lol:lol

Probably he was the go to guy in the Summer League and not now thus, he is not as decisive when it comes to shooting. Another reason is the strength of his leg is not back thus his shots are not falling.

Keepin' it real
12-12-2018, 11:43 AM
Thanks for the grades!!!

DAF86
12-12-2018, 11:53 AM
I love me some White but he needs to start putting the ball through the hoop a lot more often, tbh. He needs to stop being so hesitant and look to get his own more.

SpursDynasty85
12-12-2018, 12:08 PM
I love me some White but he needs to start putting the ball through the hoop a lot more often, tbh. He needs to stop being so hesitant and look to get his own more.

I think he is doing a really good job considering its really early in his NBA career. He is surrounded by vets that can score and so his bball IQ has to be sharp or else the whole thing will topple. The fact he is making sound decisions and playing amazing defense is all you can ask. Definitely room for improvement on the offensive end but he is doing exactly what the team needs him to for now.

SAGirl
12-12-2018, 12:16 PM
Thanks for the write-up Timvp!


I wasn't aware of the numbers on Mills either, although you can see the impact he's had when on the floor.

What's interesting to me, in those stats, is that, historically Patty hasn't been that great at running the offense and setting the tone. I remember always thinking how much more smoothly things ran, offensively at least, the last few years when Patty was off the floor and Tony was in the game.


So for me, the story in the numbers is that this team could desperately use a point guard that could steady the offense, and at least put some pressure on other teams defensively. As good as a fit as we think Forbes is next to DeRozan, I wonder how much better this team would be with a decent point guard starting every night. Is that guy Murray? I'm not sure. Offensively, last year at least, the steadying effect on Tony Parker was even more pronounced than my Mills example when Parker replaced Murray on the floor.
I have thought about your point and have stated b4 that even as well as Forbes allegedly fits he’s not really a PG or a guard you want to start and play so many minutes and when he’s been off shooting like he was of late b4 this game, Pop has kep him around 18 minutes or so.

The team would definitely be much better with a real PG and a real SF starting but that’s not in the cards this season. White is probably the better stand in for both roles this year (sliding Demar and Forbes a spot) but the fact his confidence in his shooting is shaky has meant he has been very inconsistent offensively and has not been able to hold on to the spot. Hopefully he gets his shot back.

DAF86
12-12-2018, 12:19 PM
I think he is doing a really good job considering its really early in his NBA career. He is surrounded by vets that can score and so his bball IQ has to be sharp or else the whole thing will topple. The fact he is making sound decisions and playing amazing defense is all you can ask. Definitely room for improvement on the offensive end but he is doing exactly what the team needs him to for now.

I'm not saying he needs to chuck, but when he has an open look, shoot it. Don't pass up open shots.

bklynspursfan
12-12-2018, 12:27 PM
Thanks for the write-up Timvp!


I wasn't aware of the numbers on Mills either, although you can see the impact he's had when on the floor.

What's interesting to me, in those stats, is that, historically Patty hasn't been that great at running the offense and setting the tone. I remember always thinking how much more smoothly things ran, offensively at least, the last few years when Patty was off the floor and Tony was in the game.


So for me, the story in the numbers is that this team could desperately use a point guard that could steady the offense, and at least put some pressure on other teams defensively. As good as a fit as we think Forbes is next to DeRozan, I wonder how much better this team would be with a decent point guard starting every night. Is that guy Murray? I'm not sure. Offensively, last year at least, the steadying effect on Tony Parker was even more pronounced than my Mills example when Parker replaced Murray on the floor.

Yea last year Patty struggled, but you can tell it was a learning experience for him. (he said as much) He's improved a ton in terms of running the offense this season, so as badly as he struggled last season, you can see it paid off thus far this for this year.

Parker had years of experience, he made it look easy and effortless at times. Patty hadn't really done it much, being a catch and shoot guy. I'm glad his game is still evolving, his passing has been really impressive. I like the chemistry he's showing with Poeltl too.

We'll see how Murray is with DeRozan, they could do well together. Was looking forward to seeing how Murray's shot looked coming into this season. Sigh

Mr. Body
12-12-2018, 12:30 PM
If anyone watched Derrick White in the summer - before getting injured

He was stroking the 3 ball consistently - I think a few more games and his confidence and his shot will come back.

In the summer he was just a man amongst boys and he was pulling up after screens were set from way past the 3 point line and just drilling threes - I was really impressed -

I am baffled why he cannot hit the side of a barn now - but that is something to look forward to.

Also, Timvp - a lot of haters heads just exploded with your Patty mills take! :lol:lol

White is probably thinking about a ton of things right now and needs to settle in to get his shot confidence back.

MoSpur02
12-12-2018, 12:38 PM
I have thought about your point and have stated b4 that even as well as Forbes allegedly fits he’s not really a PG or a guard you want to start and play so many minutes and when he’s been off shooting like he was of late b4 this game, Pop has kep him around 18 minutes or so.

The team would definitely be much better with a real PG and a real SF starting but that’s not in the cards this season. White is probably the better stand in for both roles this year (sliding Demar and Forbes a spot) but the fact his confidence in his shooting is shaky has meant he has been very inconsistent offensively and has not been able to hold on to the spot. Hopefully he gets his shot back.

Been saying this. They need a legit PG and small forward.

rjv
12-12-2018, 12:38 PM
poeltl's recent play has me feeling better when he is closing the game than when LA is, considering how lackluster aldridge has been so far this season.

phxspurfan
12-12-2018, 12:42 PM
White is faster than I realized. He was running like a gazelle out there. Let’s see if he can reacquire that shot he had in college, because if he gets that back, he will be much more useful.

SpursDynasty85
12-12-2018, 12:54 PM
I'm not saying he needs to chuck, but when he has an open look, shoot it. Don't pass up open shots.

I agree but when he does pass up an open shot he usually makes an equal or even better play by driving or passing it. I think he is still trained more as a pg and that's the way Pop wants him to play since Forbes, Walker, and Murray all struggle in that area. His first priority is to set up his teammates and he is doing that at a really fast rate right now. His offense will come to him. Only a matter of time. In the meantime he is our only stopper on the team which tires him out and his jumpsuits will be flat. I think that's why he is passing up his shots but like Kawhi, it will come with experience.

Kobe'sAchilles
12-12-2018, 12:55 PM
Once White gets his shot back (if?) We should be seeing less and less of Cunningham. I think Pop would have no problem with the 3 guard rotation as starters. If Davis could learn how to actually grab a rebound that would help our team so much in the long run as well. I have been impressed with Mills this year but not surprised bc like I stated earlier this year, he is playing for his livelihood this year. With the emergence of White and Pop's love of Forbes, Mills knows it is his playing time that is being pressured. Especially one we start playing Walker. Mills has to out perform Forbes this year and show his worth in order for him to stay

DPG21920
12-12-2018, 01:01 PM
Sell high on Mills. Hats off he’s playing great but we have years of data to show it’s likely not worth it and if he can net you a positive asset vs costing something to dump now is the time.

Fusternino
12-12-2018, 01:06 PM
Sell high on Mills. Hats off he’s playing great but we have years of data to show it’s likely not worth it and if he can net you a positive asset vs costing something to dump now is the time.

Sell high on both Mills and Forbes, tbh.

Ed Helicopter Jones
12-12-2018, 01:40 PM
Sell high on Mills. Hats off he’s playing great but we have years of data to show it’s likely not worth it and if he can net you a positive asset vs costing something to dump now is the time.

I agree with selling high, but I doubt it will happen. The Spurs are looking to him as the bridge to the Spurs' culture. He's the liaison to the Spurs' past, and I think Pop's made it clear how much stock he puts in that. Mills might have the safest roster spot on the team unless Pop is pulling off his biggest CIA move yet.

jehawk81
12-12-2018, 03:05 PM
Man that is some deep analysis. How did the OP miss including this?

Would you rather have Metu forlornly sit on the bench chewing his tongue?

Que the Kawhi gif

Play Boban
12-12-2018, 03:36 PM
Tired of being around the .500 Mark. Let's build a solid win streak.

It might help if we moved DeRozan to shooting guard tbh.

R. DeMurre
12-12-2018, 03:37 PM
Derrick White is reminding me a bit of those early George Hill performances: his shooting is off, but he's still contributing with defense, rebounds, assists, steals, etc.
I'm guessing the shooting will come around.

Pavlov
12-12-2018, 03:45 PM
Yeah, I'm not worried about White. He just got thrown in the deep end coming off an injury and is a bit overwhelmed mentally and still recovering physically. He's the kind of guy who's going to be very effective once everything clicks.

doublekorv
12-12-2018, 06:26 PM
This guy would prefer a deadbeat, boring-ass bench.

Coach X
12-12-2018, 06:51 PM
This 3-0 mini-run should be confirming to PATFO that White is a key player. He's above the NBA average passing and playing defense vs guards. With him, the team is just a player shy of having a decently balanced roster. I'd sell high on Forbes (who's peaking this season thanks to the exceptional role he happens to have due to injuries) as his virtues don't help the Spurs as much as his limitations hurt the team. He has now a value in the league and PATFO should take advantage of it making a pack around him and exploring the market, looking for the best physical forward available that can play good defense at the 3/4 position.

Bertans seems to be confirming his shooting specialist role, Mills is having a good shooting season and White will improve his 3pt% making Forbes expendable. L Walker is also there getting ready to give a hand in the backcourt. PATFO is not trading Patty, so Forbes is the man if anybody has to be moved. I'd say the club is open to add a first round and a secondary piece (Marco, Dante...) if necessary. I don't think Pau exits the team, I still believe Pop wants to play with two bigs some minutes.

I hope Forbes keeps playing well until the date he can be traded. Ideally, Gasol should have returned for then and the next move in the roster should be more clear.


I'm also intrigued about Ben Moore, I believe he will have a chance. Probably switching roles with Metu, who's clearly not ready for the NBA yet.

Fusternino
12-12-2018, 07:43 PM
So is anyone else on the Osman train, then? Swap Forbes for him and also swap picks? Salaries match nicely. I think he'd recover his form if he joined with us.

Roscoe P. Coltrane
12-12-2018, 07:56 PM
What happens when Gasol comes back from his injury? Does he take Jakob's minutes? Does he get inserted into the starting lineup?Gasol is done.

r0drig0lac
12-12-2018, 08:02 PM
So is anyone else on the Osman train, then? Swap Forbes for him and also swap picks? Salaries match nicely. I think he'd recover his form if he joined with us.

what does that mean?

ps: anyway, it does not matter, spurs have nothing that would interest them, they are extremely optimistic in a forward with decent size who has no weaknesses (obviously he is also no elite in any skill for now), as all teams in the league should be.

ceperez
12-12-2018, 08:03 PM
Is Forbes shot different in this game?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E2EbE_niTE

Seems to be taking it further away from the 3pt line and not at the peak of his jump.

For comparison:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NHNx4jGxf0

TDMVPDPOY
12-12-2018, 08:12 PM
problem with spurs pg is they are not passing pgs...all fkn chuckers looking for their own shots first b4 the open man for a better shot...

Fusternino
12-12-2018, 08:27 PM
what does that mean?

ps: anyway, it does not matter, spurs have nothing that would interest them, they are extremely optimistic in a forward with decent size who has no weaknesses (obviously he is also no elite in any skill for now), as all teams in the league should be.

Osman has been awful this year . . .

Uriel
12-12-2018, 09:05 PM
Why hasn't OP been hired by the Spurs as a consultant yet?

Boomersgold
12-12-2018, 09:06 PM
problem with spurs pg is they are not passing pgs...all fkn chuckers looking for their own shots first b4 the open man for a better shot...

I assume you're talking about Mills. Mills took 3 shots in 24 minutes last night and as timvp said, Mills this year has done whatever is asked of him and shows an improved passing game. The other guy had an efficient 24 points. White doesn't play enough to justify criticism. Murray hasn't played.

JPB
12-12-2018, 10:08 PM
Why hasn't OP been hired by the Spurs as a consultant yet?

Apolisoc got the job.

dbestpro
12-13-2018, 06:05 AM
I watched the game again, and it became real apparent that White played very poorly and his decision making was very bad. Sometimes, I think we want this guy to succeed so bad that we see things that are not there. There are tons of unemployed PGs that could deliver better than White. If his play does not start to improve, he will become the new most hated Spur.

duncan2150
12-13-2018, 10:24 AM
I watched the game again, and it became real apparent that White played very poorly and his decision making was very bad. Sometimes, I think we want this guy to succeed so bad that we see things that are not there. There are tons of unemployed PGs that could deliver better than White. If his play does not start to improve, he will become the new most hated Spur.

7 assists with only 1 turnover is really good but he needs to be better offensively .

SpursDynasty85
12-13-2018, 10:47 AM
I watched the game again, and it became real apparent that White played very poorly and his decision making was very bad. Sometimes, I think we want this guy to succeed so bad that we see things that are not there. There are tons of unemployed PGs that could deliver better than White. If his play does not start to improve, he will become the new most hated Spur.

Troll post or you have lost a lot of credibility on this board.

8FOR!3
12-13-2018, 11:44 AM
Offense looks like they're moving the ball better. Of course LAC will be more of a test than Phoenix.